Re: [ql-users] QPC on a Nokia Series 60?
I know a few people - that can be arranged :-)) Why so? Not a Java fan? cheers, Darren Branagh, Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813. Direct Line:- (+353)-1-6176082 BOI Group Data Classification - Marcel Kilgus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by:cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] QPC on a Nokia Series 60? s.q-v-d.com 10/08/2004 18:14 Please respond to ql-users [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think its programmed in Java, so what are the chances of getting a QPC version? :-)) QPC in Java? Only over my cold, dead body. ;-) Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] QPC on a Nokia Series 60?
Darren Branagh wrote: I know a few people - that can be arranged :-)) Why so? Not a Java fan? Marcel Kilgus wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think its programmed in Java, so what are the chances of getting a QPC version? :-)) QPC in Java? Only over my cold, dead body. ;-) Ooh...ql-users war about to break out between Ireland and Germany? ;-)) OK, how about a compromise...Darren write a Java applet virus for anything running Java to display on the screen Petition Marcel Kilgus To Port QPC2 To Java NOW! ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] QPC on a Nokia Series 60?
No, not at all - war? Us Irish are only good at fighting amongst ourselves!! :-)) Just curious as to the negativity - it would be a great way of possibly getting QPC out there a bit more. Plus, as most QL applications are tiny, the small memory (in relative terms to a PC) needed lends itself perfectly to Mobile Phones. Imagine the xchange suite running on your mobile phone, or the like of quascade and the PE on a mobile.. using the joystick on the phone to control the pointer drool!! Not to mention being able to tinker on the way into work on the train!! Marcel, if you are so Java opposed, how big a job would it be to port QPC to the phone using C/C++ ? (virtual programming novice and all round idiot talking here!!) Cheers, Darren Branagh, Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813. Direct Line:- (+353)-1-6176082 BOI Group Data Classification - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by:To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: s.q-v-d.com Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] QPC on a Nokia Series 60? 11/08/2004 10:00 Please respond to ql-users Darren Branagh wrote: I know a few people - that can be arranged :-)) Why so? Not a Java fan? Marcel Kilgus wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think its programmed in Java, so what are the chances of getting a QPC version? :-)) QPC in Java? Only over my cold, dead body. ;-) Ooh...ql-users war about to break out between Ireland and Germany? ;-)) OK, how about a compromise...Darren write a Java applet virus for anything running Java to display on the screen Petition Marcel Kilgus To Port QPC2 To Java NOW! ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] QPC on a Nokia Series 60?
Imagine the xchange suite running on your mobile phone, or the like of quascade and the PE on a mobile.. using the joystick on the phone to control the pointer drool!! Not to mention being able to tinker on the way into work on the train!! Marcel, if you are so Java opposed, how big a job would it be to port QPC to the phone using C/C++ ? Better compile uQLx or QemuLator for that purpose... I am interested (my phone - a Motorola A925 - uses Symbian) but not experienced in compiling C/C++ :-( Someone can give some hints ? Gerhard ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] QPC on a Nokia Series 60?
Just curious as to the negativity - it would be a great way of possibly getting QPC out there a bit more. Plus, as most QL applications are tiny, the small memory (in relative terms to a PC) needed lends itself perfectly to Mobile Phones. Imagine the xchange suite running on your mobile phone, or the like of quascade and the PE on a mobile.. using the joystick on the phone to control the pointer drool!! Not to mention being able to tinker on the way into work on the train!! Marcel, if you are so Java opposed, how big a job would it be to port QPC to the phone using C/C++ ? (virtual programming novice and all round idiot talking here!!) Cheers, Darren Branagh, HI, Being a bit of a devil's advocate, but just as a matter of interest, you can get the relevant C++ and Java tools from here: http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/1,6566,033,00.html Cheers Colin ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] QPC on a Nokia Series 60?
Dr Colin F Parsons wrote: Marcel, if you are so Java opposed, how big a job would it be to port QPC to the phone using C/C++ ? (virtual programming novice and all round idiot talking here!!) Cheers, Darren Branagh, HI, Being a bit of a devil's advocate, but just as a matter of interest, you can get the relevant C++ and Java tools from here: http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/1,6566,033,00.html Cheers Colin Joking apart, this seems to have struck a chord pretty quickly with a few people here. I hope someone will have a quick look at this to see if it's a reasonably feasible programming job. Something for Phoebus to do in his summer break perhaps (as he's ported uQLx to another platform, for example). -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] QPC on a Nokia Series 60?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something for Phoebus to do in his summer break perhaps (as he's ported uQLx to another platform, for example). Actually that was Peter and it wasn't even as much a port as a recompile using readily available linux emulation libraries. To my knowledge not a single line of code had to be changed (except the Makefile any maybe disabling some stuff that doesn't work). I expect Symbian to be somewhat different. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] QPC on a Nokia Series 60?
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 12:36 PM Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] QPC on a Nokia Series 60? Imagine the xchange suite running on your mobile phone Please do not forget: if you go for text based applications, then the emulated screen should at least be able to display the 512 horizontal pixels of a QL screen. Must admit I am not experineced with recent cell phones, but I doubt if they have more than 256 x-pixies? Guess they have just 256 which enables them to display the Speccy screen without loss of information? Of course there is the alternative of windowing, i.e. use the screen of the cell phone as a window ton display part of the emulated screen, pixel 1:1 resolution, I guess noone will really like that. Am I wrong, I mean do current cell phones provide screens with 512 pixies on a line? That would be amazing... Kind Regards, Michael PS: oh BTW I almost sent this mail using the pseude-english noun handy instead of cell phone. That is a funny thing and I really do not know an explanation for it: here in germany the term handy is THE established term for cell phones - it is for sure not a german word but people from english speaking countries would not understand it ... ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] QPC on a Nokia Series 60?
I thing the *language* Java is ok, but the concept of using a virtual machine to artificially slow down perfectly fine and fast PCs is braindead (actually it is fine for Web applications that ought to run on a lot of different platforms, which is where Java originated, but NOT for ordinary applications on a stand-alone machine). True, very true. I love being able to run programs directly under a browser, but at the same time stand alone stuff is faster and a better solution. Also, Java as a whole favours the laziness of the programmer over the effectiveness (in CPU/RAM utilisation) of the end result. And I deeply resent wastefulness. I almost collapsed when, only last weekend, one of those Java is best computer science students I know proclaimed that he now needs 1GB of ram in his laptop and any CPU below 1Ghz ought to have been thrown away years ago anyway. Yes, I know those guys, we have a few on them here in work - and no offence, they are usually 18-22, covered in spots and never used a Home computer in their lives - just a PC. Sad really. I have much more respect for a programmer of spectrum games for example, that can fit a 40 level arcade game with full sound and colour into 48K, not to mention playability, than some knob-end who needs 1,000Mhz, hardrive and 128Mb RAM just to play his solitare conversion.. I hate the new philosophy - back in the good ol days you had 48K on a speccy, and 128K on a QL. That was basically all you had, and you wrote programs to suit the hardware. Now, a lot of programmers write sloppy bloatware code and just up the minimum system requirements as appropriate. Marcel, if you are so Java opposed, how big a job would it be to port QPC to the phone using C/C++ ? Well, if somebody paid me full time to professionally do that job I'd say 1 to 2 EUR might be enough... Cheque or cash :-)) Or would the undying appreciation of this QL user do? Nah, didn't think so..!! Darren. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] QPC on a Nokia Series 60?
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 at 14:53:36, Marcel Kilgus wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious as to the negativity - I thing the *language* Java is ok, but the concept of using a virtual machine to artificially slow down perfectly fine and fast PCs is braindead (actually it is fine for Web applications that ought to run on a lot of different platforms, which is where Java originated, but NOT for ordinary applications on a stand-alone machine). Also, Java as a whole favours the laziness of the programmer over the effectiveness (in CPU/RAM utilisation) of the end result. And I deeply resent wastefulness. I almost collapsed when, only last weekend, one of those Java is best computer science students I know proclaimed that he now needs 1GB of ram in his laptop and any CPU below 1Ghz ought to have been thrown away years ago anyway. My Tosh Libretto (256mHz /64mb ram) quite happily runs XP and all std applications I have thrown at it - qemulator included. It is really crazy to make it easier for the programmer but bad for the application. It is a bit like using M$ frontpage (or even worse M$ word) to produce html. I must confess I _do_ use frontpage from time to time - for speed, but the 'code' it produces is mind boggling. ... and an emulator on a phone could not be used on aeroplanes, in hospitals, car forecourts to name a few. Marcel, if you are so Java opposed, how big a job would it be to port QPC to the phone using C/C++ ? Well, if somebody paid me full time to professionally do that job I'd say 1 to 2 EUR might be enough... That sounds too cheap. You would be dead before the end - as you yourself said (8-)# Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] QPC on a Nokia Series 60?
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 at 16:18:39, Michael Berger wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) PS: oh BTW I almost sent this mail using the pseude-english noun handy instead of cell phone. That is a funny thing and I really do not know an explanation for it: here in germany the term handy is THE established term for cell phones - it is for sure not a german word but people from english speaking countries would not understand it ... 'handy' is not a pseudo word. It means 'convenient' 'to hand' in English. That seems a reasonable use of the word in German to describe a 'mobile'. 'cellphone' is the American word. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
[ql-users] TurboPTR under UQLX-win32
Just to let you know I am having a problem running TurboPTR under UQLX-win32. When I run the example progorams, like EX1_TASK, I get an error Can't open my windows. I've tried TurboPTR under plain UQLX running under Linux and the example programs work fine. I've let George Gwilt know about the issue, but since it fails under UQLX-win32 but works under UQLX, it looks to be an issue with UQLX-win32. I've asked him about what might cause the issue. When I get them, I'll pass them along to you and we can look into the differences between UQLX and UQLX-win32. BTW, I tried both JS and Minera ROM's with UQLX-win32. On UQLX, I'm using the Minerva ROM. Thanks, Tim Swenson ___ Internet Access, Shared Dedicated Web Hosting. Colocation and Domain Name Registration at http://www.SharedPoint.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] QPC on a Nokia Series 60?
Tony Firshman wrote: My Tosh Libretto (256mHz /64mb ram) quite happily runs XP and all std applications I have thrown at it - qemulator included. The fastest PC I own is still my 850Mhz notebook (usually run with 600Mhz) and 384MB Ram. As I don't play any current games that was enough for everything so far. But then I don't use an IDE like Eclipse, which is completely written in Java. Well, if somebody paid me full time to professionally do that job I'd say 1 to 2 EUR might be enough... That sounds too cheap. Actually true. A more business like estimate would probably be roughly 8EUR, but those are my special ql-users rates. ;-) Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] QPC on a Nokia Series 60?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if somebody paid me full time to professionally do that job I'd say 1 to 2 EUR might be enough... Cheque or cash :-)) Only cash :-) Or would the undying appreciation of this QL user do? Nah, didn't think so..!! Almost but not quite ;-) Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] QPC on a Nokia Series 60?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ooh...ql-users war about to break out between Ireland and Germany? ;-)) Nah, never. I might want to visit it someday ;-) Why don't you? open invite, you'd enjoy the piss-up, whoops sorry, Ql Show we have... I'd like to, but it's quite a distance from here, especially when traveling alone. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
[ql-users] PLaying with QLAY source code
Hi out there! I still think that Jan Venema's QLAY (with available sources) is an invaluable resource for getting started with for a QL emu programming beginner ... Last weekend I started the experiment ... a very modest attempt to install CYGWIN and then to compile the package just as it is, as step zero. Mr: Optimist: with no change to the source code it should compile and produce exactly the same EXE file that you already got... As (almostly) expected even step zero did not work - the MAKE complained about some missing pc.inc file Ok programming is a challenge ... To come to the point: I really would like to play a bit with QLAY sources ... and I guess I will bother the QL community with further detailed questions on the subject. So if you are willing to 1:1 answer silly questions on C and compilation please let me know Kind regards Michael Kind regards, Michael ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
