Re: [ql-users] good superbasic book?
Hello! recently Wolfgang Mühlegger pointed my attention to the excellent Keywords/Concepts documents by Martin Head.which can be found on Dylwin's QL documentation site. I am really VERY enthusiastic about those documents! This is the first time I find all required information about QL + TK2 + SMSQ/E commands together in one place plus nicely formatted. Have just replaced the sections of my QL manual with duplex printouts of those documents. For people like me who joined the QL scene too late to have historically grown background knowledge this is an invaluable source of information - if I was not such a lacy person I would have tried to compile a text like that over the last two years ;-) It is a real pity the author was too modest to place his address or email somewhere in that document. I would be more than glad to send him a postcard or whatever could proove my appreciation for this great piece of work. As far as I can judge it, there is no need anymore for a book like "the definitive handbook" - btw this subtitle is somewhat ridiculous, but can be probably forgiven in case the author was the author of the language itself ;-) Kind Regards Michael ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] good superbasic book?
- Original Message - From: "John Gilpin" To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] good superbasic book? In my copy there is a preface to the second edition dated 19th July 1989 and at the foot of that page there is a Copyright Notice "As of December 1987 all rights in this book reverted to Jan Jones. No portion of this book may be reproduced without her written permission." Does this mean that by 'reproducing' these extracts, we are contravening the copyright? The interesting thing is that the copy which Quanta has for resale does not have this page in it but in all other respects the two of them look identical. John Gilpin.(Individual) As Dave P pointed out on 24th December copyright can mean many things. To quote from his mailing: "(Quanta's copyright is) on a different thing to Jan Jones' copyright. She has a copyright of the contents. Quanta has a copyright on that specific edition (the cover, those changes which make it a quanta publication" A fundamental principle in law is always to go back to the original documents. There should be an original contract somewhere. Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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- Original Message - From: "john mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] good superbasic book? > > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:46:19 + - John Taylor said - > > John > > > > You are wrong. > > Quanta does not own the copyright to the Jan Jones book and never has. > >The agreement was that Quanta had permission to print additional > > copies in return for a royalty based on the number printed and not on > > the number sold. > > Any other form of publication would require a new agreement. It was > > also stipulated that no correspondence as to the books contents, syntax > > or understanding was to be considered, neither was the whereabouts or > > contact details to be divulged to any person who might want to make use > > of them. > > > > This is the second time in as many weeks that you have guessed > > incorrectly and then stated it as fact. > > > > I do not wish to discourage the committee from doing a further reprint > > but as sales would be limited you ought to show a far better > > understanding of what you are proposing. > > > > If it is of any help, the last reprint Quanta did of the Jan Jones was > > photo copied and ring bound for less than £7.00, with little or no > > profit to Quanta as a later committee reduced the selling price. > > > > A far better approach would be for Quanta to reprint copies of Rich > > Mellors manual which includes far more and is readily available as I > > believe Rich, or the printer, still has the files. > > > > John Taylor > > John > It is not me who is wrong - > > John Taylor would have been more right if he had taken care to look at the > Copyright page of his copy of QL SuperBASIC - QUANTA LIMITED EDITION printed > in July 1989 before he wrote rather than relied on his memory - but see > below for yourselves - > > John Mason > "The Copyright Page from QL Superbasic - QUANTA LIMITED EDITION July 1989" > > "Published by > > QUANTA. - The Independent QL User Group > > 15 Grosvenor Crescent GRIMSBY South Humberside England > > > > British Library Cataloguing in Publication Data > > Jones, Jan > > QL SuperBASIC : the definitive handbook. > > 1. Sinclair QL (Computer) Programming > > 2. SuperBASIC (Computer program language) > > I. Title > > 001.64'24 QA76.8.S625 > > ISBN 0-07-084784-3 > > Library of Congress Cataloging in Publication Data > > Jones, Jan > > QL SuperBASIC. > > Includes index > > 1. Sinclair QL (Computer) - Programming. 2. BASIC > > (Computer program language) > > I. Title. II. Title: QL SuperBASIC. III. Title: QL SuperBASIC. > > QA76.8.S6216J66 1985 001.64'2 84-26173 > > ISBN 0-07-084784-3 > > This QUANTA LIMITED EDITION printed in July 1989 > > > > Copyright 1989 QUANTA . All rights reserved. No part of this > > publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or > > transmitted in any form or by any other means, electronic, mechanical, > > photocopying, recording, or otherwise without prior written > > permission of QUANTA, or of the original copyright owner." > JG In my copy there is a preface to the second edition dated 19th July 1989 and at the foot of that page there is a Copyright Notice "As of December 1987 all rights in this book reverted to Jan Jones. No portion of this book may be reproduced without her written permission." Does this mean that by 'reproducing' these extracts, we are contravening the copyright? The interesting thing is that the copy which Quanta has for resale does not have this page in it but in all other respects the two of them look identical. John Gilpin.(Individual) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:46:19 + - John Taylor said - > John > > You are wrong. > Quanta does not own the copyright to the Jan Jones book and never has. >The agreement was that Quanta had permission to print additional > copies in return for a royalty based on the number printed and not on > the number sold. > Any other form of publication would require a new agreement. It was > also stipulated that no correspondence as to the books contents, syntax > or understanding was to be considered, neither was the whereabouts or > contact details to be divulged to any person who might want to make use > of them. > > This is the second time in as many weeks that you have guessed > incorrectly and then stated it as fact. > > I do not wish to discourage the committee from doing a further reprint > but as sales would be limited you ought to show a far better > understanding of what you are proposing. > > If it is of any help, the last reprint Quanta did of the Jan Jones was > photo copied and ring bound for less than £7.00, with little or no > profit to Quanta as a later committee reduced the selling price. > > A far better approach would be for Quanta to reprint copies of Rich > Mellors manual which includes far more and is readily available as I > believe Rich, or the printer, still has the files. > > John Taylor John It is not me who is wrong - John Taylor would have been more right if he had taken care to look at the Copyright page of his copy of QL SuperBASIC - QUANTA LIMITED EDITION printed in July 1989 before he wrote rather than relied on his memory - but see below for yourselves - John Mason "The Copyright Page from QL Superbasic - QUANTA LIMITED EDITION July 1989" "Published by QUANTA. - The Independent QL User Group 15 Grosvenor Crescent GRIMSBY South Humberside England British Library Cataloguing in Publication Data Jones, Jan QL SuperBASIC : the definitive handbook. 1. Sinclair QL (Computer) Programming 2. SuperBASIC (Computer program language) I. Title 001.64'24 QA76.8.S625 ISBN 0-07-084784-3 Library of Congress Cataloging in Publication Data Jones, Jan QL SuperBASIC. Includes index 1. Sinclair QL (Computer) - Programming. 2. BASIC (Computer program language) I. Title. II. Title: QL SuperBASIC. III. Title: QL SuperBASIC. QA76.8.S6216J66 1985 001.64'2 84-26173 ISBN 0-07-084784-3 This QUANTA LIMITED EDITION printed in July 1989 Copyright 1989 QUANTA . All rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted in any form or by any other means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording, or otherwise without prior written permission of QUANTA, or of the original copyright owner." ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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- Original Message - From: "John Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] good superbasic book? > Tim > > Why it says Copyright 1989 Quanta I don't know, in fact all the > reprints were dated 1989 as no one amended it. > The fact remains, copyright is with Jan Jones. If Quanta had bought > the copyright there would have been no need to make repeated payments > to Jan Jones. > In any case I feel this argument is pointless as there are second hand > copies available. Rich has got three and doubtless there are many more > that could be made available. > Quanta has one copy left and, if I remember rightly, has not sold one > in the last five years. How many requests have we had? > > John Taylor JG A late response due to spending Christmas and New Year abroad. I am inclined to accept John Taylor's views on Copyright as he was probably involved with the original agreement with Jan, whereas I have had no need to check the agreement during the last three years. The copy that Quanta currently holds is a second-hand copy recently donated with some other stuff. The one new copy which I inherited was sold soon after I became Treasurer and since then numerous second hand copies have been received and sold on either by myself at workshops or by Rich Mellor (on behalf of Quanta).There is still a market for this book but it looks as though it can be supplied from donations of no longer required items. Quanta is always willing to accept such no longer required items for resale to QLers who need them. Some £1,000 has been credited to Quanta's bank account from such receipts during the last three years. Rich Mellor is kept updated of the items that Quanta has for resale so that he can offer such items along with those that he holds at his own "depot". Regards, John Gilpin. Quanta Treasurer. > > > On Friday, December 24, 2004, at 05:55 AM, Timothy Swenson wrote: > > > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:46:19 +, John Taylor > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> John > >> > >> You are wrong. > >> Quanta does not own the copyright to the Jan Jones book and never has. > > > > Again, I refer my copy of the Quanta reprint sitting in my hot little > > hands, and it clearly states: > > > > "Copyright 1989 Quanta" > > > > This is from the "Quanta Reprint Limited Edition" of July 1989. If > > Quanta does not own the copyright, then why did Quanta state that it > > does, in the book. > > > > Tim Swenson ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] good superbasic book?
ÎÎÎ Mon, 03 Jan 2005 08:10:38 +0100,Î(Î) JÃrÃme Grimbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: If you really want to achieve the same look, you have a long way to go for the model. Not really ;-) There are easier ways as I demonstated to Marcel. My complete QL Manual stylesheet clone (and almost perfect- it would be perfect but unfortunately the original QL manual doesn't list the type used for everything so I did approximate... it's a good thing I have a 25000+ library of fonts btw) was actually done in under 10 minutes (Ventura and a subset of SGML is perfect for that). The stopping part: Lyx does not know of user-defined character formatting, at best you can have a Noun style, a emphasied style and the normal style. I was thinking on slightly different lines, either an html or spreadsheet. Facility to search and sort, easy cut+paste, rather than a pretty printable picture. Making a database out of it might be simpler, but the inserted tables of the text might need to be reconsidered. Not a problem either. Ffibys ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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David Tubbs wrote: At 16:56 27/12/2004 +0100, you wrote: David Tubbs wrote: >>http://dilwynjones.topcities.com/qldocs/qpckeywords.zip > Nice one, danke ! Just spotted 'FLP_STEP' entry is present twice, but I'm guessing the first one should be read 'FLP_STOP'. You're welcome. By the way, is anybody who knows how to do text processing right up to the task of re-formatting that document? And with "right" I mean properly defined paragraph and character styles instead of manual formatting, no "formatting by multiple spaces, empty lines and manual page breaks" and also things like that the index should be auto-generated and not manually maintained. I would go along using Lyx, but designing the right model document in latex is going to be an extensive work. Then importing the full text, and then painting the styles everywhere is a mouse&click game... a long game. If you really want to achieve the same look, you have a long way to go for the model. The stopping part: Lyx does not know of user-defined character formatting, at best you can have a Noun style, a emphasied style and the normal style. I was thinking on slightly different lines, either an html or spreadsheet. Facility to search and sort, easy cut+paste, rather than a pretty printable picture. Making a database out of it might be simpler, but the inserted tables of the text might need to be reconsidered. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 23:42:10 -0500, Phoebus Dokos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tim, sorry to mail this here... but did you get my email? If you did, did you try and answer? My server has a spamfilter and you need to reply to the first email that the filter will send you to register yourself with the server. (Of course sometime this email gets picked up by other spamfilters!) Nope, I don't think I got it. And I think I registered with your spam filter a while back. Tim Swenson ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Phoebus Dokos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Sun, 2 Jan 2005 01:44:07 +0100,() Marcel Kilgus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /wrote: Phoebus Dokos wrote: I stopped it when SMSQ/e was on V.3.00 because of lack of time and relevant documentation. I can complete it if you want (and produce a separate version for QPC/Q40 etc..) Actually I'd be very interested in that. Can you send an example? Marcel Sure... two pages in PDF format as well as source (Ventura-ised text) on the way Also, just to mention it, if anyone is not aware Marcel has the QPC2 manual available on his web site in PDF format. Which is useful, as you can do searches to find items, etc. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 at 01:41:34, Marcel Kilgus wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >Phoebus Dokos wrote: >>> This does not necessarily mean that he has not left the scene, >>> because the website is so old that it doesn't even recognize >>> browsers different from "Netscape 3.0 of higher" ;-)) >> Maybe so, but Thierry's website entry addresses have remained the same >> since 1996 (which is not bad) > >I did try to contact him a few weeks ago just to see what he's up to, >but alas no reply. He of course may have been on the ocean (with the French navy). He says he only gets emails when he is on shore, and then not always. Itr can be months out of contact. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:29:42 -0800,Î(Î) Timothy Swenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Another option in the SuperBasic book issue, is to write one from scratch. Wasn't there a series of articles in QL Today on beginning SuperBasic? If so, we could use that as a start (if the author is willing) and go from there. Heck, a number of people could be volunteer to write chapters and then have somebody work as editor to link it all together. Just an idea. Tim Swenson Tim, sorry to mail this here... but did you get my email? If you did, did you try and answer? My server has a spamfilter and you need to reply to the first email that the filter will send you to register yourself with the server. (Of course sometime this email gets picked up by other spamfilters!) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Another option in the SuperBasic book issue, is to write one from scratch. Wasn't there a series of articles in QL Today on beginning SuperBasic? If so, we could use that as a start (if the author is willing) and go from there. Heck, a number of people could be volunteer to write chapters and then have somebody work as editor to link it all together. Just an idea. Tim Swenson ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Sun, 2 Jan 2005 01:44:07 +0100,Î(Î) Marcel Kilgus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Phoebus Dokos wrote: By the way, is anybody who knows how to do text processing right up to the task of re-formatting that document? And with "right" I mean properly defined paragraph and character styles instead of manual formatting, no "formatting by multiple spaces, empty lines and manual page breaks" and also things like that the index should be auto-generated and not manually maintained. That would be me :-) I was based to a great extent on that document (well a previous version of it to be exact) but had added variations for every platform version of SMSQ/e. I stopped it when SMSQ/e was on V.3.00 because of lack of time and relevant documentation. I can complete it if you want (and produce a separate version for QPC/Q40 etc..) Actually I'd be very interested in that. Can you send an example? Marcel Sure... two pages in PDF format as well as source (Ventura-ised text) on the way Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Phoebus Dokos wrote: >> By the way, is anybody who knows how to do text processing right up to >> the task of re-formatting that document? And with "right" I mean >> properly defined paragraph and character styles instead of manual >> formatting, no "formatting by multiple spaces, empty lines and manual >> page breaks" and also things like that the index should be >> auto-generated and not manually maintained. > That would be me :-) > I was based to a great extent on that document (well a previous version of > it to be exact) but had added variations for every platform version of > SMSQ/e. > > I stopped it when SMSQ/e was on V.3.00 because of lack of time and > relevant documentation. I can complete it if you want (and produce a > separate version for QPC/Q40 etc..) Actually I'd be very interested in that. Can you send an example? Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Phoebus Dokos wrote: >> This does not necessarily mean that he has not left the scene, >> because the website is so old that it doesn't even recognize >> browsers different from "Netscape 3.0 of higher" ;-)) > Maybe so, but Thierry's website entry addresses have remained the same > since 1996 (which is not bad) I did try to contact him a few weeks ago just to see what he's up to, but alas no reply. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:44:07 -,Î(Î) Dilwyn Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: (BTW-what does the R stand for?) As per Greek convention our "middle initial" stands for our father's first name. In this case it is Phoebus Romylus Dokos (or to be more precise, Phoebus Dokos, son of Romylus :-) Hmmm. So my equivalent would be Dilwyn ap Ifor Jones (or ab Ifor as dad's name starts with a vowel) BTW, Ffibys, I didn't tell you that Bys means finger and Ffi isn't really a Welsh word but is sometimes used in parts of Wales for the English word Fee. So wave your "bys" and get a "ffi" -or as any Greek with his sense of humour intact would translate it, it could mean... give me money or I'll give you the finger ;-) hee-hee I've changed some of your website links, including removing the 50megs link. I didn't remove it originally as it still seemed to exist after a while, so I assumed you must have changed your mind. Can you check that I've got them right, as you only seem to have place holder pages there at the moment. And what's the situation with the software download database pages now - should I add a link to that? The link should go on. I have little things to clean up and proper graphics to add... finally the code works properly (it worked enough for me to get a graduating A -although I scraped the Summa Cum Laude due to a really obnoxious prof and I ended up with a Magna Cum Laude...pah!- In any case I am putting links that work in the database and plan to add a feature that would email the author if their email exists in the database (although such information won't be available to the user- if their link to their software is dead). Unfortunately, the record size is rather long and the only semi-properly organised list available is Thierry's, and that still has to be filtered and modified (ie French descriptions removed) etc. etc. I will be sending emails in a few days to software authors for permission to include themselves in the database (so you can search by Author, email the Author (via sendmail) etc.). Unfortunately, due to my provider not using InnoDB as the mySQL engine of choice, several things are missing that could add to the experience such as stored procedures, triggers and referential integrity between tables, however most of this is done using php code (which adds to the overhead of course but it's not important). My major obstacle was to be downwards compatible enough to be able to access the database using lynx so that users of uQLx, QemuLator, qlwIP, QPC2 v.3.30+ and even soQL-PPP can use it(although the latter should enter directly the IP address as I think -cause I haven't tried it yet- browsing works via lynx if IP addresses are used) Ffibys :-) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: (BTW-what does the R stand for?) As per Greek convention our "middle initial" stands for our father's first name. In this case it is Phoebus Romylus Dokos (or to be more precise, Phoebus Dokos, son of Romylus :-) Hmmm. So my equivalent would be Dilwyn ap Ifor Jones (or ab Ifor as dad's name starts with a vowel) BTW, Ffibys, I didn't tell you that Bys means finger and Ffi isn't really a Welsh word but is sometimes used in parts of Wales for the English word Fee. So wave your "bys" and get a "ffi" I've changed some of your website links, including removing the 50megs link. I didn't remove it originally as it still seemed to exist after a while, so I assumed you must have changed your mind. Can you check that I've got them right, as you only seem to have place holder pages there at the moment. And what's the situation with the software download database pages now - should I add a link to that? -- Dilwyn Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 26/12/2004 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:11:10 -,Î(Î) Dilwyn Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Imagine you been called Divad (or Vlade Divac for that matter ;-) -or other obvious anagrams ;-) Hey, Phoebus, David is rather close to Dafad or Davad in Welsh, which means "sheep"... Or one could play a little anagram with last names (heehee) ;-) We'd better take care of the spelling of his name in future, Ffibys! Nah! I think I beat that subject to a pulp! This is so often the case. Either the ISP won't allow access to 'kill' the site or the owner has not kept a record of the password after account expiry. Which isn't the case... I have the password but cannot get on. I will try to contact them today to see if they can kill it somehow. Sometimes the ISP will delete it if you thank them for giving you free publicity after you stop paying for the account, a bit of irony or sarcasm often works - try sorting out a cocked-up order from firms like EBuyer any other way! Now I know the '50megs' is a 'dead' account even though it's still there, I've removed it from my QLNet page. Will upload later tonight at cheap call rates, assuming Tesco.net is not having one of its all too often off days. I had sent you an email a long time ago when that happened (remember we moved everything to my dokos-gr.net site until the then host killed that in a fit of rage (I'd imagine ;-) Ffibys ;-) (Hey I like that) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:10:30 -,Î(Î) Dilwyn Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: (BTW-what does the R stand for?) As per Greek convention our "middle initial" stands for our father's first name. In this case it is Phoebus Romylus Dokos (or to be more precise, Phoebus Dokos, son of Romylus :-) Phoebe,
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Imagine you been called Divad (or Vlade Divac for that matter ;-) -or other obvious anagrams ;-) Hey, Phoebus, David is rather close to Dafad or Davad in Welsh, which means "sheep"... We'd better take care of the spelling of his name in future, Ffibys! That would be good if I could actually access that damn account.. it turns out that I cannot :-( So there's nothing I can do about it. I bear no responsibility of course of other QL websites :-) This is so often the case. Either the ISP won't allow access to 'kill' the site or the owner has not kept a record of the password after account expiry. Sometimes the ISP will delete it if you thank them for giving you free publicity after you stop paying for the account, a bit of irony or sarcasm often works - try sorting out a cocked-up order from firms like EBuyer any other way! Now I know the '50megs' is a 'dead' account even though it's still there, I've removed it from my QLNet page. Will upload later tonight at cheap call rates, assuming Tesco.net is not having one of its all too often off days. -- Dilwyn Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 26/12/2004 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: (BTW-what does the R stand for?) Phoebe,English transliterated spelling. That way I won't be Pheobus, Phoebe, Fevus or whatnot ;-) Use the Welsh version, Ffibys for variety. Or even just ask people to call you Dokos as you seem to be the only one on this list, just as I think I'm the only Jones (for once). Using English, is the correct pronunciation Fee-bus ? If your case is like mine, once people know the correct pronunciation they seem to have less difficulty with sppelignz. -- Dilwyn Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 26/12/2004 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Rich Mellor wrote: The problem is deleting or updating old links - there are still plenty of sites which point at my old website - I try to inform them and get them updated, but in many cases, it is impossible. Many of the updates can only be done by Thierry - and he does not have a lot of time to spend on websites. I can confirm that Rich is good at spotting and reporting faulty links! I haven't forgotten that one you just reported this morning, Rich, just waiting for cheap dial up time to upload the amended pages! -- Dilwyn Jones -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 26/12/2004 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:32:11 +0100,Î(Î) Wolfgang Uhlig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Nope, his website has moved here: http://thgodef.nerim.net/qdos/> This does not necessarily mean that he has not left the scene, because the website is so old that it doesn't even recognize browsers different from "Netscape 3.0 of higher" ;-)) Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Maybe so, but Thierry's website entry addresses have remained the same since 1996 (which is not bad) Phoebus -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Nope, his website has moved here: http://thgodef.nerim.net/qdos/> This does not necessarily mean that he has not left the scene, because the website is so old that it doesn't even recognize browsers different from "Netscape 3.0 of higher" ;-)) Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:53:31 +,Î(Î) David Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: I tried from there several times recently, tho' now updated ! Not so in Duisburg. Well Jochen is busy as it is... be glad he does have a website :-). Given the shows, the schedule, the magazine etc it's a miracle he has time to breathe! If anything it is the website maintainers' (the OTHER websites) responsibility when you keep a "community link" to let people know that their links need to be updated. Any trader will update promptly if he already knows there's been a change :-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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At 17:15 27/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: Την Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:55:43 +,ο(η) David Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> έγραψε/wrote: Gothcher, hook line and sinker ! My you do go on about it ! You would do if your name was beaten down to a pulp over the years... Of course the Pheobus spelling has evolved to a "Sturat" and "Ql-Toady" but the rest are rather annoying ;-) Imagine you been called Divad (or Vlade Divac for that matter ;-) -or other obvious anagrams ;-) Oh , I'd stamp my foot. The tweeness of Toady & Windoze makes me cringe. out that I cannot :-( So there's nothing I can do about it. I bear no responsibility of course of other QL websites :-) It is the linking sites that are more of a pest. Nope, his website has moved here: http://thgodef.nerim.net/qdos/> Tell the rest too ! Most of them already know :-) It is after all in Dilwyn's site :-) I tried from there several times recently, tho' now updated ! Not so in Duisburg. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:15:23 -0500, Phoebus Dokos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <> I handed you the route as an implicit suggestion that it and the bum links might be eliminated That would be good if I could actually access that damn account.. it turns out that I cannot :-( So there's nothing I can do about it. I bear no responsibility of course of other QL websites :-) Well can you not tell them to delete the site - maybe we should all bombard them with requests to remove it !! -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:55:43 +,Î(Î) David Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Gothcher, hook line and sinker ! My you do go on about it ! You would do if your name was beaten down to a pulp over the years... Of course the Pheobus spelling has evolved to a "Sturat" and "Ql-Toady" but the rest are rather annoying ;-) Imagine you been called Divad (or Vlade Divac for that matter ;-) -or other obvious anagrams ;-) I handed you the route as an implicit suggestion that it and the bum links might be eliminated That would be good if I could actually access that damn account.. it turns out that I cannot :-( So there's nothing I can do about it. I bear no responsibility of course of other QL websites :-) Nope, his website has moved here: http://thgodef.nerim.net/qdos/> Tell the rest too ! Most of them already know :-) It is after all in Dilwyn's site :-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:55:43 +, David Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <> I handed you the route as an implicit suggestion that it and the bum links might be eliminated The problem is deleting or updating old links - there are still plenty of sites which point at my old website - I try to inform them and get them updated, but in many cases, it is impossible. Many of the updates can only be done by Thierry - and he does not have a lot of time to spend on websites. -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Phoebe,English transliterated spelling. That way I won't be Pheobus, Phoebe, Fevus or whatnot ;-) Gothcher, hook line and sinker ! My you do go on about it ! nothing seemed to work at 50meg, got the link from something like quantum ring, reached from Kit Lester via Dilwyn Tesco. Indeed it doesn't. The problem being that they started deleting stuff, disabling the links etc (until you'd pay I gather... at the time they send me an email and told me to pay or the website would get deleted) There seem so many duff links in this field - has T Godfroy left the scene ? I handed you the route as an implicit suggestion that it and the bum links might be eliminated Nope, his website has moved here: http://thgodef.nerim.net/qdos/> Tell the rest too ! ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:13:33 +,Î(Î) David Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: At 16:56 27/12/2004 +0100, you wrote: David Tubbs wrote: >>http://dilwynjones.topcities.com/qldocs/qpckeywords.zip > Nice one, danke ! You're welcome. By the way, is anybody who knows how to do text processing right up to the task of re-formatting that document? And with "right" I mean properly defined paragraph and character styles instead of manual formatting, no "formatting by multiple spaces, empty lines and manual page breaks" and also things like that the index should be auto-generated and not manually maintained. I was thinking on slightly different lines, either an html or spreadsheet. Facility to search and sort, easy cut+paste, rather than a pretty printable picture. For that you need Q-Index and Q-Help from Rich Mellor that has all that and then some. Phoebe,English transliterated spelling. That way I won't be Pheobus, Phoebe, Fevus or whatnot ;-) nothing seemed to work at 50meg, got the link from something like quantum ring, reached from Kit Lester via Dilwyn Tesco. Indeed it doesn't. The problem being that they started deleting stuff, disabling the links etc (until you'd pay I gather... at the time they send me an email and told me to pay or the website would get deleted) There seem so many duff links in this field - has T Godfroy left the scene ? Nope, his website has moved here: http://thgodef.nerim.net/qdos/> ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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At 16:56 27/12/2004 +0100, you wrote: David Tubbs wrote: >>http://dilwynjones.topcities.com/qldocs/qpckeywords.zip > Nice one, danke ! You're welcome. By the way, is anybody who knows how to do text processing right up to the task of re-formatting that document? And with "right" I mean properly defined paragraph and character styles instead of manual formatting, no "formatting by multiple spaces, empty lines and manual page breaks" and also things like that the index should be auto-generated and not manually maintained. I was thinking on slightly different lines, either an html or spreadsheet. Facility to search and sort, easy cut+paste, rather than a pretty printable picture. Phoebe, nothing seemed to work at 50meg, got the link from something like quantum ring, reached from Kit Lester via Dilwyn Tesco. There seem so many duff links in this field - has T Godfroy left the scene ? ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Phoebus Dokos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:18:19 +,() David Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /wrote: Why does have to be printed ? Why wait for Quanta to get butts off chair ? Just photos, individuals could OCR as needed, perhaps feed back OCR results for assembling into an HTML document ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ...because it is still copyrighted and without expressed permission by Jan Jones it would be illegal! Phoebus P.S. Fair use, dictates that you can do it for yourself, quote it or use it for educational purpose (within an academic setting) but publicising it is a big NO NO. This is only right and fair to the author. In the UK you are only allowed to copy up to 10% of a work for personal use, after that you are breaking copyright. There are also arrangements to pay a fee to authors through photocopying and the like which has to take place in organisations like education, etc, that are always making and using copies of copyrighted works. Look up the ALCS site at : http://www.alcs.co.uk/ -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:56:10 +0100,Î(Î) Marcel Kilgus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: David Tubbs wrote: http://dilwynjones.topcities.com/qldocs/qpckeywords.zip Nice one, danke ! You're welcome. By the way, is anybody who knows how to do text processing right up to the task of re-formatting that document? And with "right" I mean properly defined paragraph and character styles instead of manual formatting, no "formatting by multiple spaces, empty lines and manual page breaks" and also things like that the index should be auto-generated and not manually maintained. Marcel That would be me :-) I was based to a great extent on that document (well a previous version of it to be exact) but had added variations for every platform version of SMSQ/e. I stopped it when SMSQ/e was on V.3.00 because of lack of time and relevant documentation. I can complete it if you want (and produce a separate version for QPC/Q40 etc..) This is done easily as it is properly (ie based on SGML that Ventura publisher uses... ie it has conditional codes, auto generation of index, auto sequencing etc) Moreover (and what is best) it is virtually indistinguishable from the original QL manual and it can directly replace the keywords section in one because it: a. LOOKS the same (same typefaces and sizes are used where I could find them) and b. is the same exact size! (Margins, Paper and all) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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David Tubbs wrote: >>http://dilwynjones.topcities.com/qldocs/qpckeywords.zip > Nice one, danke ! You're welcome. By the way, is anybody who knows how to do text processing right up to the task of re-formatting that document? And with "right" I mean properly defined paragraph and character styles instead of manual formatting, no "formatting by multiple spaces, empty lines and manual page breaks" and also things like that the index should be auto-generated and not manually maintained. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:06:15 +,Î(Î) David Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: At 05:16 27/12/2004 +0100, you wrote: http://dilwynjones.topcities.com/qldocs/qpckeywords.zip Marcel Nice one, danke ! Noch eine Dilwyn URL ! That is partly true. That old URL is something I was working on (and it includes a Dilwyn Jones' mirror -so that is partly true-) however it was abandoned after they told us that we had to pay (and reduced the available space from 50 megs to -I-don't-remember-what-exactly-but-it-was-unsuitable. I thought that the account was closed... apparently not! That's actually good news because I have stuff uploaded there -ie a Phil Borman's Website mirror, a DiRen/QL Fraternity mirror etc that I thought were lost forever (Not very good at keeping backups are we now?) :-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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At 05:16 27/12/2004 +0100, you wrote: http://dilwynjones.topcities.com/qldocs/qpckeywords.zip Marcel Nice one, danke ! Noch eine Dilwyn URL ! ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 02:59:09 +, David Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 20:33 26/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: ÃÂÃÂàMon, 27 Dec 2004 01:18:19 +,ÃÂ(ÃÂ) David Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÃÂÃÂÃïÃÂÃËÃÂ/wrote: Why does have to be printed ? Why wait for Quanta to get butts off chair ? Just photos, individuals could OCR as needed, perhaps feed back OCR results for assembling into an HTML document ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ...because it is still copyrighted and without expressed permission by Jan Jones it would be illegal! Phoebus P.S. Fair use, dictates that you can do it for yourself, quote it or use it for educational purpose (within an academic setting) but publicising it is a big NO NO. My own copy has been lost in removings, I have been looking for something that would just list basic keywords with syntax. Allwats meant to do it for myself in a form that one could cut&paste from. Even visited major resource site http://www.ql.50megs.com/ - no luck yet ! I thought that site no longer existed - wasn't it one of Dilwyn's?? Certainly it is a painful site with a pop up on every link ! Anyway, Marcel's suggested link is good - there is also the Q-Index and Q-Help programs which I sell :-) They give you basic syntax about each command. -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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David Tubbs wrote: > My own copy has been lost in removings, I have been looking for something > that would just list basic keywords with syntax. Allwats meant to do it for > myself in a form that one could cut&paste from. > > Even visited major resource site http://www.ql.50megs.com/ > - no luck yet ! http://dilwynjones.topcities.com/qldocs/qpckeywords.zip Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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At 20:33 26/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: Την Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:18:19 +,ο(η) David Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> έγραψε/wrote: Why does have to be printed ? Why wait for Quanta to get butts off chair ? Just photos, individuals could OCR as needed, perhaps feed back OCR results for assembling into an HTML document ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ...because it is still copyrighted and without expressed permission by Jan Jones it would be illegal! Phoebus P.S. Fair use, dictates that you can do it for yourself, quote it or use it for educational purpose (within an academic setting) but publicising it is a big NO NO. My own copy has been lost in removings, I have been looking for something that would just list basic keywords with syntax. Allwats meant to do it for myself in a form that one could cut&paste from. Even visited major resource site http://www.ql.50megs.com/ - no luck yet ! ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:18:19 +,Î(Î) David Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Why does have to be printed ? Why wait for Quanta to get butts off chair ? Just photos, individuals could OCR as needed, perhaps feed back OCR results for assembling into an HTML document ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ...because it is still copyrighted and without expressed permission by Jan Jones it would be illegal! Phoebus P.S. Fair use, dictates that you can do it for yourself, quote it or use it for educational purpose (within an academic setting) but publicising it is a big NO NO. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Why does have to be printed ? Why wait for Quanta to get butts off chair ? Just photos, individuals could OCR as needed, perhaps feed back OCR results for assembling into an HTML document ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Sat, 25 Dec 2004 17:29:42 -,Î(Î) hitchies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Re Tim's: One stumbling block for me was how to do the graphic drawings in Word. So, the project just came to a halt. . If the problem is simply one of WORD expertise - I've looked at Jan J and believe I could produce the necessary in that department. Be glad to help if I can. Best wishes to all, John in Wales I would have done the same but unfortunately as it seems Quanta is not interested... Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Re Tim's: One stumbling block for me was how to do the graphic drawings in Word. So, the project just came to a halt. . If the problem is simply one of WORD expertise - I've looked at Jan J and believe I could produce the necessary in that department. Be glad to help if I can. Best wishes to all, John in Wales -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.4 - Release Date: 22/12/2004 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Tim Why it says Copyright 1989 Quanta I don't know, in fact all the reprints were dated 1989 as no one amended it. The fact remains, copyright is with Jan Jones. If Quanta had bought the copyright there would have been no need to make repeated payments to Jan Jones. In any case I feel this argument is pointless as there are second hand copies available. Rich has got three and doubtless there are many more that could be made available. Quanta has one copy left and, if I remember rightly, has not sold one in the last five years. How many requests have we had? John Taylor On Friday, December 24, 2004, at 05:55 AM, Timothy Swenson wrote: On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:46:19 +, John Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: John You are wrong. Quanta does not own the copyright to the Jan Jones book and never has. Again, I refer my copy of the Quanta reprint sitting in my hot little hands, and it clearly states: "Copyright 1989 Quanta" This is from the "Quanta Reprint Limited Edition" of July 1989. If Quanta does not own the copyright, then why did Quanta state that it does, in the book. Tim Swenson ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Timothy Swenson wrote: > "Copyright 1989 Quanta" > > This is from the "Quanta Reprint Limited Edition" of July 1989. If Quanta > does not own the copyright, then why did Quanta state that it does, in the > book. It's a copyright on a different thing to Jan Jones' copyright. She has a copyright of the contents. Quanta has a copyright on that specific edition (the cover, those changes which make it a quanta publication instead of a McGraw-Hill publication, etc. Jan Jones doesn't need to include a copyright symbol to enjoy her copyrights. In fact, it is right that the publisher protect her copyright, which is probably why they are listed as the copyright holder for that edition of the publication. Although quanta is forbidden by contract to reveal Ms. Jones' contact details, this doesn't stop a bright person locating and contacting her. I am sure she would be receptive to anything that would bring her any additional income. She probably had that clause to avoid nerdy stalkers and a lifetime of giving free tech-support. However, at the end of the day, it is a book of facts, and those facts are not copyrightable, so anyone can write about those facts. Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:46:19 +, John Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: John You are wrong. Quanta does not own the copyright to the Jan Jones book and never has. Again, I refer my copy of the Quanta reprint sitting in my hot little hands, and it clearly states: "Copyright 1989 Quanta" This is from the "Quanta Reprint Limited Edition" of July 1989. If Quanta does not own the copyright, then why did Quanta state that it does, in the book. Tim Swenson ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:53:59 -, Dilwyn Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ah, now that is good news. So if someone was perverse enough to scan it, could it be made generally available, or does the Quanta rights restrict it to members only (leaving aside the sales issue for a moment)? I started work in this book back in early 2000. I have scanned in the first 10 chapters and have a number of them cleaned up and finished. One stumbling block for me was how to do the graphic drawings in Word. So, the project just came to a halt. I did contact the Quanta leadership to see if they wanted to me to finish the scanning for them, but I never got a reply. Scanning the document is real easy, the clean up work is the hard part. I am willing to finish the scanning and help with the clean up work. Tim Swenson ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:53:59 -,Î(Î) Dilwyn Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Do you have any idea on what the likely minimum print run might be? I think it was thought that a new run of keyboard membranes might be too expensive and demand not there but from what I know it happened and they sold. Obviously, if you had to doa minimum run of 1000 it might not be viable, but a smaller run at slightly higher cost might be viable. The minimum print run using Cafepress is ... 1 :-) As for the keyboard membranes I know as I worked for them to become a reality :-) Ah, now that is good news. So if someone was perverse enough to scan it, could it be made generally available, or does the Quanta rights restrict it to members only (leaving aside the sales issue for a moment)? As seen on a later message, Quanta has no copyright on Mrs. Jones book Quanta is regarded by the taxman as a "self trading company", that is to say it trades solely for the benefit of its members, and thus it is not liable for tax on its earnings from sales to them. Are Quanta actually allowed to sell to non-members in that case? Assuming sales to non-members are allowed, tax would presumably have to be paid. And you'd have to keep records. It wouldn't matter. A solution such as the one I propose would have someone else making the actual sale :-) Finally, apologies if the layour of this email is all over the place, Lookout Excess has had a brainstorm and it looks very messy as I type this because the cursor and what gets typed seem out of sync. :-( If you had a decent mailer ;-) (hehe) it would look fine as it looks from where I stand ;-) -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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John Mason wrote: I notice that "Phoebus Dokos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on Friday 17 Dec 2004 20:48:19 -0500, suggested that consideration be given to a further reprint of "QL SuperBASIC" by Jan Jones - Sounds a good idea in principle, and I am quite willing to cause it to be investigated; but until the likely order of cost can be determined no commitment to do so can be given. Do you have any idea on what the likely minimum print run might be? I think it was thought that a new run of keyboard membranes might be too expensive and demand not there but from what I know it happened and they sold. Obviously, if you had to doa minimum run of 1000 it might not be viable, but a smaller run at slightly higher cost might be viable. Touching briefly on how it might be reproduced - yes it could be OCR'd etc., but it is likely to be cheaper to photo-scan, and then print it using lithography However, the copyright of this book rests in QUANTA, who acquired it from Jan Jones for the benefit of Quanta members. Ah, now that is good news. So if someone was perverse enough to scan it, could it be made generally available, or does the Quanta rights restrict it to members only (leaving aside the sales issue for a moment)? Quanta is regarded by the taxman as a "self trading company", that is to say it trades solely for the benefit of its members, and thus it is not liable for tax on its earnings from sales to them. Are Quanta actually allowed to sell to non-members in that case? Assuming sales to non-members are allowed, tax would presumably have to be paid. And you'd have to keep records. The positive answer for those who are not at present QUANTA members is to join QUANTA and pay an annual subscription of £14 which includes a free bi-monthly magazine, and the right to buy goods such as Jan's book. At the same time you are strengthening the only voice that is competent to speak for users as a whole of the QL and its derivatives Not to mention software library, helpline, workshops... It might be easy to take the odd pot shot at Quanta, but without Quanta there'd almost certainly be less to the QL than there is now. Will have to look it up to be sure, but I thought technically that membership to Quanta was by subscription to its newsletter, so in that sense (splitting hairs I suppose and certainly NOT having a go at you, John) technically the newsletter isn't free, although of course there's so many potential benefits to Quanta membership that it's really neither here nor there. Finally, apologies if the layour of this email is all over the place, Lookout Excess has had a brainstorm and it looks very messy as I type this because the cursor and what gets typed seem out of sync. :-( -- Dilwyn Jones May I wish all "ql-users" a Joyful Christmas and a Happy New Year John Mason ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:13:31 -0500,Î(Î) Phoebus Dokos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: That's what I figured (the copyright matter) however all this doesn't change the fact that the basis of reprinting on a one-off basis from a on-demand printer is not feasible. Of course here I meant : FEASIBLE ;-) (My bad) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:46:19 +,Î(Î) John Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: John You are wrong. Quanta does not own the copyright to the Jan Jones book and never has. The agreement was that Quanta had permission to print additional copies in return for a royalty based on the number printed and not on the number sold. That's what I figured (the copyright matter) however all this doesn't change the fact that the basis of reprinting on a one-off basis from a on-demand printer is not feasible. What's even better, (and that applies not only to Jan Jones' book but in general) by using such a schem Quanta doesn't: a. Have to lose any money! b. Have to MAKE any money! (So you keep your not-for-profit status) Since as revealed Mrs. Jones doesn't want her contacts divulged, Quanta could act as an intermediary. As a matter of fact if Mrs Jones would (under the persuasive efforts (?) of Quanta was to consider a solution like that, she would get directly all royalties for each book sold and at no cost to her (time or money-wise). As I said, I am willing to convert the book to electronic form (without any alterations to the content) and provide it to Quanta which then would intermediate :-) As I said again, I can see no reason why someone wouldn't want to make money :-) I do not wish to discourage the committee from doing a further reprint but as sales would be limited you ought to show a far better understanding of what you are proposing. That's not true, because it would require NO financial COMMITMENT whatsoever from Quanta! If it is of any help, the last reprint Quanta did of the Jan Jones was photo copied and ring bound for less than Â7.00, with little or no profit to Quanta as a later committee reduced the selling price. So what's the difference if for the same price you get a bound book at far better quality... and at NO COST? A far better approach would be for Quanta to reprint copies of Rich Mellors manual which includes far more and is readily available as I believe Rich, or the printer, still has the files. Rich's book is still being converted (will be done in the next few days) to a far more flexible format than Text87... BTW: Not to speak for Rich, but he could go to an outlet like Cafepress directly and bypass QUANTA altogether. IMHO since Rich Mellor is still actively involved, Quanta shouldn't be involved unless asked by Rich; however it should be involved in making obsolete material available to Qlers instead. (Just my 2 cents) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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John You are wrong. Quanta does not own the copyright to the Jan Jones book and never has. The agreement was that Quanta had permission to print additional copies in return for a royalty based on the number printed and not on the number sold. Any other form of publication would require a new agreement. It was also stipulated that no correspondence as to the books contents, syntax or understanding was to be considered, neither was the whereabouts or contact details to be divulged to any person who might want to make use of them. This is the second time in as many weeks that you have guessed incorrectly and then stated it as fact. I do not wish to discourage the committee from doing a further reprint but as sales would be limited you ought to show a far better understanding of what you are proposing. If it is of any help, the last reprint Quanta did of the Jan Jones was photo copied and ring bound for less than £7.00, with little or no profit to Quanta as a later committee reduced the selling price. A far better approach would be for Quanta to reprint copies of Rich Mellors manual which includes far more and is readily available as I believe Rich, or the printer, still has the files. John Taylor On Thursday, December 23, 2004, at 12:28 PM, john mason wrote: I notice that "Phoebus Dokos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on Friday 17 Dec 2004 20:48:19 -0500, suggested that consideration be given to a further reprint of "QL SuperBASIC" by Jan Jones - Sounds a good idea in principle, and I am quite willing to cause it to be investigated; but until the likely order of cost can be determined no commitment to do so can be given. Touching briefly on how it might be reproduced - yes it could be OCR'd etc., but it is likely to be cheaper to photo-scan, and then print it using lithography However, the copyright of this book rests in QUANTA, who acquired it from Jan Jones for the benefit of Quanta members. Quanta is regarded by the taxman as a "self trading company", that is to say it trades solely for the benefit of its members, and thus it is not liable for tax on its earnings from sales to them. The positive answer for those who are not at present QUANTA members is to join QUANTA and pay an annual subscription of £14 which includes a free bi-monthly magazine, and the right to buy goods such as Jan's book. At the same time you are strengthening the only voice that is competent to speak for users as a whole of the QL and its derivatives May I wish all "ql-users" a Joyful Christmas and a Happy New Year John Mason ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Thu, 23 Dec 2004 12:28:31 -,Î(Î) john mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: I notice that "Phoebus Dokos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on Friday 17 Dec 2004 20:48:19 -0500, suggested that consideration be given to a further reprint of "QL SuperBASIC" by Jan Jones - Sounds a good idea in principle, and I am quite willing to cause it to be investigated; but until the likely order of cost can be determined no commitment to do so can be given. There's nothing easier than that : go to CafÎPress: http://.cafepress.com/> The prices are fixed and they do even a single copy print (That's the beauty of on-demand printing in the information age) Touching briefly on how it might be reproduced - yes it could be OCR'd etc., but it is likely to be cheaper to photo-scan, and then print it using lithography For a solution as the one I proposed, the book HAS to be in electronic form. They use digital lithography (ie digital offset printers) that generate their plates via the electrophotographic method (Imagine it as an extremely expensive laser printer in principle) However, the copyright of this book rests in QUANTA, who acquired it from Jan Jones for the benefit of Quanta members. I thought that Jan Jones retained the copyright? You surely mean printing rights. Because if Quanta indeed has the copyright there's no reason why an on-demand printing scheme cannot be done. Plus it does have the benefits that once it is put "out-there" real financial benefit befalls CafÎPress, not Quanta. And as such all the problems outlined below... disappear :-) (Plus CafÎPress is a US company which means that the UK tax authority won't even touch it with a stick ;-) Quanta is regarded by the taxman as a "self trading company", that is to say it trades solely for the benefit of its members, and thus it is not liable for tax on its earnings from sales to them. The positive answer for those who are not at present QUANTA members is to join QUANTA and pay an annual subscription of Â14 which includes a free bi-monthly magazine, and the right to buy goods such as Jan's book. At the same time you are strengthening the only voice that is competent to speak for users as a whole of the QL and its derivatives May I wish all "ql-users" a Joyful Christmas and a Happy New Year Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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I notice that "Phoebus Dokos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on Friday 17 Dec 2004 20:48:19 -0500, suggested that consideration be given to a further reprint of "QL SuperBASIC" by Jan Jones - Sounds a good idea in principle, and I am quite willing to cause it to be investigated; but until the likely order of cost can be determined no commitment to do so can be given. Touching briefly on how it might be reproduced - yes it could be OCR'd etc., but it is likely to be cheaper to photo-scan, and then print it using lithography However, the copyright of this book rests in QUANTA, who acquired it from Jan Jones for the benefit of Quanta members. Quanta is regarded by the taxman as a "self trading company", that is to say it trades solely for the benefit of its members, and thus it is not liable for tax on its earnings from sales to them. The positive answer for those who are not at present QUANTA members is to join QUANTA and pay an annual subscription of £14 which includes a free bi-monthly magazine, and the right to buy goods such as Jan's book. At the same time you are strengthening the only voice that is competent to speak for users as a whole of the QL and its derivatives May I wish all "ql-users" a Joyful Christmas and a Happy New Year John Mason ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Its quite possible that it already exists in Adobe Pagemaker format. Cheers Malcolm Equally we should be realistic about electronic publication. My copy is an original MgGraw-Hill copy and has 257 pages. That would be a huge scanning job and an even worse PDF conversion job. Given that there could well be several second hand copies floating around, is it really worth the investment of someone's time and energy? Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Equally we should be realistic about electronic publication. My copy is an original MgGraw-Hill copy and has 257 pages. That would be a huge scanning job and an even worse PDF conversion job. Given that there could well be several second hand copies floating around, is it really worth the investment of someone's time and energy? Not really too big a task... With modern OCR packages the errors are minimal. It would be a two day job at worst... Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Yes that's a better solution. Steven Moore Does she have to relinquish copyright at all? All she has to do is to permit (via a licence of some kind) its publication (eg the GPL doesn't remove the authors' copyrights; it just allows for distribution - more than copyright in itself does). ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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- Original Message - From: "Timothy Swenson" To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] good superbasic book ? It was my impression that when Quanta last printed the book, they owned the rights. My copy was printed in 1989 and it says quite clearly: "Copyright 1989 Quanta" So, either Quanta does own the rights, or the book I have is wrong. Either way, I think it would be nice to see it published electronically. If Jan Jones does own the rights, maybe Quanta could approach her and ask her if she is willing to allow it to be freely distributed. I have written to my fellow Quanta committee members raising this issue and to see if they know more about the background to the legal status of the book. I think we should all remain practical. Like John Taylor I would doubt that a new edition would be practicable. Is Quanta is the right body to publish since it would legally only be able to sell copies to Quanta members? Equally we should be realistic about electronic publication. My copy is an original MgGraw-Hill copy and has 257 pages. That would be a huge scanning job and an even worse PDF conversion job. Given that there could well be several second hand copies floating around, is it really worth the investment of someone's time and energy? Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Phoebus Dokos wrote: ÎÎÎ Sat, 18 Dec 2004 15:59:51 +,Î(Î) Steven Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Hello folks, Why not ask the author to relinquish copyright and allow it to be posted, maybe in pdf format. Jan Jones could not have been earning much royalties from this book recently and future sales will be negligible. I am a great believer in people releasing software and literature from copyright after they have stopped supporting the software or re-printing copies of the book. Steven Moore That is a nice idea if she agrees... However noone can force anybody to relinquish their copyright... Especially if there's still interest in their book. I do not see why an on-demand reprint scheme would be problematic... moreover the book will actually be cheaper and the author will get more royalties (And Quanta won't have to bother with other details other than uploading a PDF file) Does she have to relinquish copyright at all? All she has to do is to permit (via a licence of some kind) its publication (eg the GPL doesn't remove the authors' copyrights; it just allows for distribution - more than copyright in itself does). ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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It was my impression that when Quanta last printed the book, they owned the rights. My copy was printed in 1989 and it says quite clearly: "Copyright 1989 Quanta" So, either Quanta does own the rights, or the book I have is wrong. Either way, I think it would be nice to see it published electronically. If Jan Jones does own the rights, maybe Quanta could approach her and ask her if she is willing to allow it to be freely distributed. I'd be willing to help scan the document in. The hardest part would be creating the graphics from the book. Tim Swenson ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Sat, 18 Dec 2004 15:59:51 +,Î(Î) Steven Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Hello folks, Why not ask the author to relinquish copyright and allow it to be posted, maybe in pdf format. Jan Jones could not have been earning much royalties from this book recently and future sales will be negligible. I am a great believer in people releasing software and literature from copyright after they have stopped supporting the software or re-printing copies of the book. Steven Moore That is a nice idea if she agrees... However noone can force anybody to relinquish their copyright... Especially if there's still interest in their book. I do not see why an on-demand reprint scheme would be problematic... moreover the book will actually be cheaper and the author will get more royalties (And Quanta won't have to bother with other details other than uploading a PDF file) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hello folks, Why not ask the author to relinquish copyright and allow it to be posted, maybe in pdf format. Jan Jones could not have been earning much royalties from this book recently and future sales will be negligible. I am a great believer in people releasing software and literature from copyright after they have stopped supporting the software or re-printing copies of the book. Steven Moore On 18 Dec 2004, at 2:40 pm, Phoebus Dokos wrote: ÎÎÎ Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:36:43 -,Î(Î) Dr Colin F Parsons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: I do so agree with the latter points, why not just ask Jan Jones if she would like her book to still be in print and earning royalties. I guess even I could answer that question! cheers Colin Yes! I don't know anyone that wouldn't agree to that unless they thought that their book was not good... but if you agree to a reprint once you will a second (and third... and fourth...) times... Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:36:43 -,Î(Î) Dr Colin F Parsons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: I do so agree with the latter points, why not just ask Jan Jones if she would like her book to still be in print and earning royalties. I guess even I could answer that question! cheers Colin Yes! I don't know anyone that wouldn't agree to that unless they thought that their book was not good... but if you agree to a reprint once you will a second (and third... and fourth...) times... Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Sorry, but Quanta don't own the rights to Jan Jones book. The agreement was that Quanta would be the publisher and we paid Jan Jones a royalty for each book printed. We did two print runs whilst I was treasurer and sold all of them. It would be uneconomic to do another print run and publishing electronically would be illegal. John Taylor. Why? Electronic Publishing ensures Jan Jones would even get her funds faster. If the agreement is "do a run give me royalties" what is more beneficial for everyone than making money? Illegality would exist ONLY if you printed without a. Intent to pay royalties and b. an agreement... Phoebus I do so agree with the latter points, why not just ask Jan Jones if she would like her book to still be in print and earning royalties. I guess even I could answer that question! cheers Colin ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Sat, 18 Dec 2004 10:46:41 +,Î(Î) John Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: Sorry, but Quanta don't own the rights to Jan Jones book. The agreement was that Quanta would be the publisher and we paid Jan Jones a royalty for each book printed. We did two print runs whilst I was treasurer and sold all of them. It would be uneconomic to do another print run and publishing electronically would be illegal. John Taylor. Why? Electronic Publishing ensures Jan Jones would even get her funds faster. If the agreement is "do a run give me royalties" what is more beneficial for everyone than making money? Illegality would exist ONLY if you printed without a. Intent to pay royalties and b. an agreement... Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:06:01 -, John Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Phoebus Dokos wrote: > ÎÎÎ Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:30:47 -0800,Î(Î) Timothy Swenson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: > >> Since Quanta owns the rights to the book, is Quanta going to be >> doing any more publishing of the book? >> If quanta btw owns the rights, why don't you upload the damn thing to Cafepress and let them print on demand for you? I could even do the layout too ;-) (For free of course... well you COULD give me one book ;-) That way... you need one-they print one... no stock or anything else I'm not at all sure that Quanta does own the rights to the book. Here are two quotes from the front pages of my July 1989 "Quanta Reprint Limited Edition": "As of December 1987 all rights in this book reverted to Jan Jones. No portion of this book may be reproduced without her written permission." "This QUANTA LIMITED EDITION was produced in response to an overwhelming demand by our members. We would like to express our gratitude to JAN JONES for allowing us to reprint this book." John It is not that big a problem anyway - I have just been rooting amongst my second hand books and have at least 3 copies for sale !! -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Phoebus Dokos wrote: > > ÎÎÎ Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:30:47 -0800,Î(Î) Timothy Swenson > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: > > > >> Since Quanta owns the rights to the book, is Quanta going to be > >> doing any more publishing of the book? > >> > > If quanta btw owns the rights, why don't you upload the damn thing > to Cafepress and let them print on demand for you? I could even do > the layout too ;-) (For free of course... well you COULD give me one > book ;-) That way... you need one-they print one... no stock or > anything else I'm not at all sure that Quanta does own the rights to the book. Here are two quotes from the front pages of my July 1989 "Quanta Reprint Limited Edition": "As of December 1987 all rights in this book reverted to Jan Jones. No portion of this book may be reproduced without her written permission." "This QUANTA LIMITED EDITION was produced in response to an overwhelming demand by our members. We would like to express our gratitude to JAN JONES for allowing us to reprint this book." John ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:48:19 -0500, Phoebus Dokos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ÎÎÎ Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:30:47 -0800,Î(Î) Timothy Swenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:37:28 -, John Gilpin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Quanta has just one copy of QL SuperBasic - The Definitive Handbook by Jan Jones - Quanta Limited Edition. Published by QUANTA ISBN: 0 07 084784 3 Since Quanta owns the rights to the book, is Quanta going to be doing any more publishing of the book? Yes I am interested too... I've been trying to find the damn thing for a long time :-) I had the original back in the day but two continents and about 20 years later don't have it anymore :-) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Why didn't you say - I have a copy too, so that is at least 2 up for grabs... (me and John Gilpin) -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Sorry, but Quanta don't own the rights to Jan Jones book. The agreement was that Quanta would be the publisher and we paid Jan Jones a royalty for each book printed. We did two print runs whilst I was treasurer and sold all of them. It would be uneconomic to do another print run and publishing electronically would be illegal. John Taylor. On Saturday, December 18, 2004, at 01:30 AM, Timothy Swenson wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:37:28 -, John Gilpin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Quanta has just one copy of QL SuperBasic - The Definitive Handbook by Jan Jones - Quanta Limited Edition. Published by QUANTA ISBN: 0 07 084784 3 Since Quanta owns the rights to the book, is Quanta going to be doing any more publishing of the book? Tim Swenson ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:48:19 -0500,Î(Î) Phoebus Dokos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: ÎÎÎ Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:30:47 -0800,Î(Î) Timothy Swenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:37:28 -, John Gilpin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Quanta has just one copy of QL SuperBasic - The Definitive Handbook by Jan Jones - Quanta Limited Edition. Published by QUANTA ISBN: 0 07 084784 3 Since Quanta owns the rights to the book, is Quanta going to be doing any more publishing of the book? If quanta btw owns the rights, why don't you upload the damn thing to Cafepress and let them print on demand for you? I could even do the layout too ;-) (For free of course... well you COULD give me one book ;-) That way... you need one-they print one... no stock or anything else Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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ÎÎÎ Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:30:47 -0800,Î(Î) Timothy Swenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:37:28 -, John Gilpin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Quanta has just one copy of QL SuperBasic - The Definitive Handbook by Jan Jones - Quanta Limited Edition. Published by QUANTA ISBN: 0 07 084784 3 Since Quanta owns the rights to the book, is Quanta going to be doing any more publishing of the book? Yes I am interested too... I've been trying to find the damn thing for a long time :-) I had the original back in the day but two continents and about 20 years later don't have it anymore :-) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:37:28 -, John Gilpin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Quanta has just one copy of QL SuperBasic - The Definitive Handbook by Jan Jones - Quanta Limited Edition. Published by QUANTA ISBN: 0 07 084784 3 Since Quanta owns the rights to the book, is Quanta going to be doing any more publishing of the book? Tim Swenson ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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I am looking for a good superbasicbook, I am a real beginner at this. If anyone have some you do not need so mail me. Your name sounds quite German. If this is so, I could send you the very original "QL User Guide- Beginners Tutorial" in German". This is very basic but quite good to learn SuperBasic. After that you should also have the documentation of Toolkit 2, I have that in German, too. If you are not German, forget about everything I sad :-)) Perhaps I only think that because we had a "Michael Gundlitz" in the German Users Group some years ago. Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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> On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 at 22:18:55, Michael Grunditz wrote: > (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > MG > >I am looking for a good superbasicbook, I am a real beginner at this. If > >anyone have some you do not need so mail me. TF > It just has to be the Jan Jones book. > I haven't a spare copy, but I bet someone does. > > Tony JG (for Quanta) Quanta has just one copy of QL SuperBasic - The Definitive Handbook by Jan Jones - Quanta Limited Edition. Published by QUANTA ISBN: 0 07 084784 3 This is second hand and is available for £2.50 plus P&Pkg. Please Email me off list with your delivery address if you want me to supply it. John Gilpin. Quanta Treasurer. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 at 22:18:55, Michael Grunditz wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) I am looking for a good superbasicbook, I am a real beginner at this. If anyone have some you do not need so mail me. It just has to be the Jan Jones book. I haven't a spare copy, but I bet someone does. I have one -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rich Mellor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:32:12 +, Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 at 22:18:55, Michael Grunditz wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) I am looking for a good superbasicbook, I am a real beginner at this. If anyone have some you do not need so mail me. It just has to be the Jan Jones book. I haven't a spare copy, but I bet someone does. Tony Or my own SBASIC/SuperBASIC Manual - oh, if only it were available - Phoebus will print one-odfs if you ask nicely... I have quite a few second hand books (including Jan Jones) for sale - have a look at: http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/sinclairql2.html Most of these are on behalf of Quanta :-) We have a good range of books for the QL of all levels of interest, which have been donated over the latter few years. When we can we pass them on to Rich to sell via his web site. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 at 22:18:55, Michael Grunditz wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >I am looking for a good superbasicbook, I am a real beginner at this. If >anyone have some you do not need so mail me. It just has to be the Jan Jones book. I haven't a spare copy, but I bet someone does. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:32:12 +, Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 at 22:18:55, Michael Grunditz wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) I am looking for a good superbasicbook, I am a real beginner at this. If anyone have some you do not need so mail me. It just has to be the Jan Jones book. I haven't a spare copy, but I bet someone does. Tony Or my own SBASIC/SuperBASIC Manual - oh, if only it were available - Phoebus will print one-odfs if you ask nicely... I have quite a few second hand books (including Jan Jones) for sale - have a look at: http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk/sinclairql2.html Most of these are on behalf of Quanta :-) -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] good superbasic book ?
Hi I am looking for a good superbasicbook, I am a real beginner at this. If anyone have some you do not need so mail me. /Michael ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
