Re: Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
Yes, you get drunks and a few fights, but nothing like you get over here. (And that's only the QL shows) Are the fights because the pubs are ... licenced ? (how's that for getting back on topic?) Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 at 00:31:09, Roy wood wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) He loaned me a green cloth - and those who go to shows will recognise it. I too met him again recently and he formally gave the cloth to me! I didn't know you had 'taken the cloth' I must treat you with a new reverence! I didn't take it - it was loaned (8-)# For those non-English speakers, 'taking the cloth' is another way of saying 'becoming a priest'! Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 at 08:39:23, Tony Firshman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 at 00:31:09, Roy wood wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) He loaned me a green cloth - and those who go to shows will recognise it. I too met him again recently and he formally gave the cloth to me! I didn't know you had 'taken the cloth' I must treat you with a new reverence! I didn't take it - it was loaned (8-)# For those non-English speakers, I meant non -native- speakers of course. 'taking the cloth' is another way of saying 'becoming a priest'! I hasten to add that although I am more connected with religion (well the church) than Roy ever will be (probably) I have no intention of taking -any- cloth. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:50:45 +0100,() Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote: On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 at 08:39:23, Tony Firshman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 at 00:31:09, Roy wood wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) He loaned me a green cloth - and those who go to shows will recognise it. I too met him again recently and he formally gave the cloth to me! I didn't know you had 'taken the cloth' I must treat you with a new reverence! I didn't take it - it was loaned (8-)# For those non-English speakers, I meant non -native- speakers of course. Oh I thought you meant American speakers as well :-P 'taking the cloth' is another way of saying 'becoming a priest'! I hasten to add that although I am more connected with religion (well the church) than Roy ever will be (probably) I have no intention of taking -any- cloth. Or mantle for that matter ;-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 at 16:20:59, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Not even a tablecloth with a pint on it? Now that is more like it. I have certainly done that with the green tablecloth - the stains are there to prove it. Tony I can stand testament to that one!! I remember tony asking me after several hours drinking at one of the QL shows over here if we had a chance of another round - it was approaching 1 o'clock in the morning. I said sure, just tell the barman you're with me. Tony went up and was amazed when he got served!! You gotta love Ireland. I remember being refused a beer at Malcolm Cadmans local in London before 11pm, and the Landlady was Irish!! She said it took her some getting used to! Cheers, Darren. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
Rich Mellor wrote: David Batty and Sector Software are still around - see: _http://www.sectorsoftware.demon.co.uk/address.htm_ (http://www.sectorsoftware.demon.co.uk/address.htm) email address: _accordion AT sectorsoftware.demon.co.uk_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- Which reminds me, David Batty came to a Quanta meeting at Manchester last year. He took a QL EMulators CD off me, and he was also interested int he source code for Turbo which he can get from John Sadler's website. We were stood outside talking about old times (he used to sell some of my software many years ago), and as he opened the boot of his car, what did I see in there...Accordions. Apparently he's quite into them! Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 at 13:39:36, wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) We were stood outside talking about old times (he used to sell some of my software many years ago), and as he opened the boot of his car, what did I see in there...Accordions. Apparently he's quite into them! For new readers he was a major QL trader. His last show appearance was at a ZX Microfair - that shows how long ago! He loaned me a green cloth - and those who go to shows will recognise it. I too met him again recently and he formally gave the cloth to me! Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 at 20:35:00, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes After discussion with Dave Gilham over the weekend it seems we can best make progress by contacting Dave Batty, who took over the complete Digital Precision software catalogue. Contacting Freddie Vachha seems more of an unknown. Does anyone have contact details for either of the above ? David Batty - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks ... -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In a message dated 11/10/2004 20:54:30 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After discussion with Dave Gilham over the weekend it seems we can best make progress by contacting Dave Batty, who took over the complete Digital Precision software catalogue. Contacting Freddie Vachha seems more of an unknown. Does anyone have contact details for either of the above ? David Batty and Sector Software are still around - see: _http://www.sectorsoftware.demon.co.uk/address.htm_ (http://www.sectorsoftware.demon.co.uk/address.htm) email address: _accordion AT sectorsoftware.demon.co.uk_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks, Rich. Those email addresses differ from the one the Tony indicated. But most people do have different email addresses or ISP's. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes After discussion with Dave Gilham over the weekend it seems we can best make progress by contacting Dave Batty, who took over the complete Digital Precision software catalogue. Contacting Freddie Vachha seems more of an unknown. Does anyone have contact details for either of the above ? David Batty Sector Software 39 Wray Crescent Ulnes Walton, Leyland Lancashire, PR26 8NH Telephone 01772 454328 ICQ: 106787612 website at www.sectorsoftware.co.uk might have email address soemwhere on it perhaps? The above address was the original Sector Software address in the 1980s. He's still there! Thanks ... that is obviously his trading address, and Tony supplied the email address. I can now contact him and see how to proceed. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
- Original Message - From: John Gilpin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it The Membership databases from Quanta have a number of possible contact addresses both snail and email BUT would I be contravening the Data Protection Act by revealing the same? John Gilpin, Quanta Membership Secretary. - Original Message - From: Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 at 20:35:00, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes After discussion with Dave Gilham over the weekend it seems we can best make progress by contacting Dave Batty, who took over the complete Digital Precision software catalogue. Contacting Freddie Vachha seems more of an unknown. Does anyone have contact details for either of the above ? David Batty - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm Not if they have given their express permission ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 at 20:57:47, John Sadler wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Original Message - From: John Gilpin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it The Membership databases from Quanta have a number of possible contact addresses both snail and email BUT would I be contravening the Data Protection Act by revealing the same? htm Not if they have given their express permission It is all totally academic. The address and email are what he publishes in his advertising! His address has been public knowledge since the mid 80s. His email would have been too if there had been email then (8-)# Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
The Membership databases from Quanta have a number of possible contact addresses both snail and email BUT would I be contravening the Data Protection Act by revealing the same? John Gilpin, Quanta Membership Secretary. Not if they have given their express permission ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm Does that mean thae we have to contact the person first to find out if he agrees to us disclosing his email and snail mail addresses? Surely easier to ask him to contact whoever it is who wants the info in the first place I would have thought. However I have asked for committee guidance on the matter. Regards, John Gilpin. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
- Original Message - From: Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 at 20:57:47, John Sadler wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Original Message - From: John Gilpin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it The Membership databases from Quanta have a number of possible contact addresses both snail and email BUT would I be contravening the Data Protection Act by revealing the same? htm Not if they have given their express permission It is all totally academic. The address and email are what he publishes in his advertising! His address has been public knowledge since the mid 80s. His email would have been too if there had been email then (8-)# Tony So, if they are so easy to find, what is all this topic about? It is obvious that Quanta's help is not required (again) :-( John Gilpin. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
He loaned me a green cloth - and those who go to shows will recognise it. I too met him again recently and he formally gave the cloth to me! I didn't know you had 'taken the cloth' I must treat you with a new reverence! -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
At 23:10 12/10/2004 +0100, you wrote: So, if they are so easy to find, what is all this topic about? It is obvious that Quanta's help is not required (again) :-( John Gilpin. Goodness, what planet If you had wanted to help and maintain confidentiality you would surely have sent an email yourself to the party sought. DT --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.773 / Virus Database: 520 - Release Date: 05/10/2004 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
Dave Gilham wrote:- My understanding is that I need freddies permission to release the modified binary to the general QL communinity and that I am under a Non disclosure arregement as regards the sources.I seem To have lost that agreement but that is the gist of of it. By the way does freddy still live up Chingford way or is there any other contact details email address etc for Freddy. Oh, well that changes things. Looks like the modified perfection may be gathering dust for some time to come then Unless we can contact Freddy. Pity. Cheers, Darren. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
H. Now I'm confused. I was told by Mark years ago that Freddy gave the OK for Perfection to be released as freeware. So, providing you (Dave) are OK about releasing any of your modifications on the public, I don't see what the problem is. Cheers, Darren Branagh, Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813. Direct Line:- (+353)-1-6176082 BOI Group Data Classification - David Gilham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: qlusers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by:cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it s.q-v-d.com 08/10/2004 17:44 Please respond to ql-users I seem to have problems posting to the list but here is my understanding of the Perfection situation. I made an agreement with Freddy Vaccha aka digital precison to upgrade perfection and possibly to release it as freeware. I have made it work with larger screens and possibly on the ql emulator for the amiga. Unfortunatly any further developement has gone to sllep in the last four years. For what its worth Perfection has not been released as freeware or public domain and I would need permission from Freddy Vaccha to relase the binary let alone the sources to the general QL community.For what its worth what I got when I received the Perfection sources was just the assembler sources to the Perfection program and the basic sources to the configurator , no notes othe than commants in the assembler sources. - David Gilham - The universe is a queer place ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 at 20:35:00, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes After discussion with Dave Gilham over the weekend it seems we can best make progress by contacting Dave Batty, who took over the complete Digital Precision software catalogue. Contacting Freddie Vachha seems more of an unknown. Does anyone have contact details for either of the above ? David Batty - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
On 8 Oct 2004 at 9:44, David Gilham wrote: (...) . For what its worth Perfection has not been released as freeware or public domain and I would need permission from Freddy Vaccha to relase the binary let alone the sources to the general QL community. Hmm, Darren stated: Freddy gave permission for the original version to be released, ie. the one he created. If that's so, and if YOU agree to do the same with the modifications you've made, there shoudln't be ny problem to release your version! I don't know whther FV also released the sources (Darren?) but at least you could release the compiled version! Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
- Original Message - From: David Gilham Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it My understanding is that I need freddies permission to release the modified binary to the general QL communinity and that I am under a Non disclosure arregement as regards the sources.I seem To have lost that agreement but that is the gist of of it. By the way does freddy still live up Chingford way or is there any other contact details email address etc for Freddy. - David Gilham Still living there at the time of the 2002 Electoral Register, but not in the 2003 Electoral Register. However, if my memory is correct, that was when the opting out of the published version became possible. Best Wishes, Geoff Wicks ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
I'll put an appeal in the next issue of Toady to see if anyone knows of is whereabouts these days. Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it - Original Message - From: David Gilham Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it My understanding is that I need freddies permission to release the modified binary to the general QL communinity and that I am under a Non disclosure arregement as regards the sources.I seem To have lost that agreement but that is the gist of of it. By the way does freddy still live up Chingford way or is there any other contact details email address etc for Freddy. - David Gilham Still living there at the time of the 2002 Electoral Register, but not in the 2003 Electoral Register. However, if my memory is correct, that was when the opting out of the published version became possible. Best Wishes, Geoff Wicks ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
RE: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it
Yes at last some sense about copyright ; one of 3 major topics that are stifling QL viability. If David Gilham is willing to release his work as freeware he and others honesty believe and with reasonable justification i.e. emails, or letters or well recalled conversations that Freddie Vaccha has also agreed that the work (specifically perfection and related support programmes) to which he (FV) actually holds intellectual rights and has been assigned as freeware then this betatest version may also be passed on as freeware. If the holders of this version are still concerned about their responsibility to FV and cannot contact him all they need is the agreement of the individual or group (e.g. Quanta) to whom the software is released that the recipient or group will assume responsibility for any and all individually or collectively, financial compensation to the intellectual property holder that might arise out of any putative loss of profits to the copyright holder as a result of the release. Dont forget that copyright is basically about ideas as money which depends on the existence of a market. How many copies of Perfection have you sold in the last 5 years, DP, Roy or Jochem or Darren or DD or DJPD or Quanta ??? My estimate for profits for perfection sales for 2003 to 2004 is ?00.00p I have the idea that no one sold it since digital precision stopped trading in 1993 or there abouts and there has been no commercial effort by the copyright holders since DP stopped trading to sell DP programmes, or in any other way to assert copyright, so in any practical sense rights to costly financial compensation have been forfeit as a result of no commercial loss through the personal choice of the copyright holders especially as they have indicated their wilingness to release this programme as freeware, presumably in recognition of the poor market 10+ years ago and profits already realised. Copyright laws exist to protect the developers ( and their assignees) intellectual rights to a profit. Where a theoretical market exists without a possibility of a current commercial profit but where profits have been milked to satisfaction in the past copyright holders have a logical responsibility to the market to release their grip on profits to allow the market to redevelop into a position where they might again realise aspirations of intellectual copyright financially. Simply put they have a legal and moral obligation to their customers if they continue in business. If they do not continue in business they have no obligation to their previous customers but as they are no longer in business they have no legal, commercial or moral right to assert ownership of material where any commercial or any other market no longer exists. Basically same as if you are dead in the UK. Thoughts for the day Duncan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wolfgang Lenerz Sent: 08 October 2004 17:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Perfection: my take on it On 8 Oct 2004 at 9:44, David Gilham wrote: (...) . For what its worth Perfection has not been released as freeware or public domain and I would need permission from Freddy Vaccha to relase the binary let alone the sources to the general QL community. Hmm, Darren stated: Freddy gave permission for the original version to be released, ie. the one he created. If that's so, and if YOU agree to do the same with the modifications you've made, there shoudln't be ny problem to release your version! I don't know whther FV also released the sources (Darren?) but at least you could release the compiled version! Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
