Re: GHOSTS AND ASSHOLES OT

2001-06-23 Thread Roland Mathis

Thanks for your help Uwe and Robin. I found Robins mail also funny until
he made fun of me. Yes, it's true I should have read the FAQ and should
have stated my OS (Redhat Linux 7.0 i386) and logging tool (multilog). I
just thought this is kind of standard. What I don't understand why Robin
cannot write something like: check the FAQ for answers about how to
archive all incoming and outgoing mail and second I cannot help you if you
don't tell me your OS and logging tool. It is basically the same, but
a lot more friendly. If you just look how much energy people and I mean
PEOPLE have to talk about everything else than the question I orginally
had, it is hard to believe how difficult it is to remind somebody to read
the FAQ or just to ignore boring questions.
Roland



On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Robin S. Socha wrote:

 * Bill Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010622 13:22]:
  Russell Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:

  Then don't ask a public mailing list for help.  Instead, go to one of
  the suppliers of commercial support.  How to know which is reliable?
  Watch this mailing list, and see who's been around longest (has the
  most established reputation to protect), and who supplies the most
  clueful answers.

 I'd buy your suport every day, Russel. And I mean it.

  Well put.  Very much in the spirit of user supported software...

 May I kindly ask you to, like, get a life? Russel offers commercial
 support. He's contributing here *A LOT*. You, on the other hand, are a
 whining luser.

  Russ, I'm not saying they shouldn't give us the information needed to
  help them.  I'm just of the opinion we shouldn't jump down every
  newbie's throat just because they are a little over cautious.

 What dictionary did you look cautious up in? Or are you referring to the
 OP's overly cautious use of the recommended reading aka FAQ?

  Put yourself in their shoes.

 Eh. That's what alt.rec.suicide is for.

  Imagine walking up to an Automated Teller Machine and seeing a guy,
  presumably a maintenance worker, adjusting the electronics.  He says,
  The card reader and pad aren't working.  Just give me your card and
  PIN number and I'll swipe it back here.

 ,
 | Port   State   Service
 | 21/tcp openftp
 | 22/tcp openssh
 | 23/tcp opentelnet
 | 25/tcp opensmtp
 | 79/tcp openfinger
 | 80/tcp openhttp
 | 111/tcpfilteredsunrpc
 | 199/tcpopensmux
 | 443/tcpopenhttps
 | 512/tcpopenexec
 | 513/tcpopenlogin
 | 514/tcpopenshell
 | 515/tcpopenprinter
 | 3306/tcp   openmysql
 |
 | TCP Sequence Prediction: Class=random positive increments
 |  Difficulty=74755 (Worthy challenge)
 | Remote operating system guess: BSDI BSD/OS 3.0-3.1 (or possibly MacOS, NetBSD)
 `

 Would you like me to tell you the programs and version numbers to go
 along with that, too, Sir?

  Would YOU hand over your card?

 https://mail.socha.net/about/ - happy cracking, luser. Do you need any
 help running nmap?

  All he wants to do it help you, right?

 Since putting them down is a non-op, yes.

  Think about it...

 Talking to yourself a lot, eh?






Re: GHOSTS AND ASSHOLES OT

2001-06-23 Thread Charles Cazabon

Roland Mathis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What I don't understand why Robin cannot write something like: check the FAQ
 for answers about how to archive all incoming and outgoing mail and second I
 cannot help you if you don't tell me your OS and logging tool.

Because if we did this for every person who sent a message to the list without
reading the FAQ, etc., we wouldn't have time to do anything else.  Besides, it
gets boring sending the same thing to the mailing list twenty times a day.
Yes, it's that bad sometimes.

 it is hard to believe how difficult it is to remind somebody to read
 the FAQ or just to ignore boring questions.

The reminder is on the page of Dan's site where it says to do all this
_before_ sending your question to the mailing list.  We can't help it that you
appear to have not followed those instructions.

No bitterness here; just trying to show you _why_ you received the response
you did.

Charles
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Re: GHOSTS AND ASSHOLES OT

2001-06-23 Thread Henning Brauer

On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 06:25:13PM +0800, Roland Mathis wrote:
 Yes, it's true I should have read the FAQ and should
 have stated my OS (Redhat Linux 7.0 i386) and logging tool (multilog). I
 just thought this is kind of standard. 

Standard?? ok, using multilog is quite common. The unix running is surely
not standard. The percentage of non-linux unix systems running djbware is
significantly higher than for most other widespread software I might guess.

I remeber a mail from djb: don't waste your time by guessing what the user
could have meant. He's absolutely right.

 What I don't understand why Robin
 cannot write something like: check the FAQ for answers about how to
 archive all incoming and outgoing mail and second I cannot help you if you
 don't tell me your OS and logging tool. 

Well, some of us (inlucing me) are just tired of that.


-- 
* Henning Brauer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.bsws.de *
* Roedingsmarkt 14, 20459 Hamburg, Germany   *
Unix is very simple, but it takes a genius to understand the simplicity.
(Dennis Ritchie)



Re: GHOSTS AND ASSHOLES OT

2001-06-23 Thread Adam McKenna

On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 06:25:13PM +0800, Roland Mathis wrote:
 Thanks for your help Uwe and Robin. I found Robins mail also funny until
 he made fun of me.

Translation:  I saw how Robin treated people who posted messages that made it
obvious that they had not done any research on their own, but this did not
dissuade me from posting a similar message.

Apparently Robin is slacking off.

--Adam



RE: GHOSTS AND ASSHOLES (OT)

2001-06-22 Thread Jeremy Suo-Anttila

Ok now i am confused WTF is Robin? Male? Female? 86 Year Old Hermaphidite
east Dallas Whore? Throw me a bone here please.

Thanks Russell Russ Rus Russel or whatever it is for all your help.

Jps