Re: [qmailtoaster] Best Config for new server

[Quinn Comendant]

I will probably use Rocky when I rebuild my server, because it is one of the 
options on GCP, it has an EOL of June 2031.

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Best Config for new server

[Andreas Galatis]

Thanks to all for your oppinion, I think I will go for Rocky on Xeon. 
The image is available from my hoster (hetzner) so I get updates from 
his mirror.


The install procedure shold be the same as for Springdale?


Iodok

Am 20.01.22 um 19:24 schrieb Remo Mattei:
Well I will move most of my stuff to Rocky, I have it running there 
for almost a year and love it.


Remo

On Jan 20, 2022, at 09:21, Diego Piñon Conde > wrote:


It's sad (hey! I love Centos too), but let me transcript an Eric's 
email from Dec 10 2020 to answer "why move away from centos"


Diego

 Mensaje reenviado 

Asunto: Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?
Fecha:  Thu, 10 Dec 2020 08:35:01 -0700
De: Eric Broch 
Responder a:qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com
Para:   qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com



/Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
/

/I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago
///(not a premonition just my natural paranoia) /prior to their
announcement two days back and visited centos.org
 to relieve my fears. I was confident at that
point that having gotten QMT/CentOS 8 ready I was good to go for
~10 years. My confidence MAY have been hasty. I'm still not sure
what drawbacks 'stream' is going to bring, if any, and like Angus
am apprehensive. It's supposed to be an intermediate environment
between Fedora and RHEL. In my opinion, to release CentOS 8 and
then move it from downstream to upstream after people have
already migrated is short-sighted at the very least, and its name
Community Enterprise OS (8) is now a misnomer. Living in somewhat
of a cocoon, I was completely unaware that RH "joined" CentOS.
I've heard some say that we've been freeloading off CentOS for
years and now it's time to pay up. Never mind that a free kernel
is used and we actually test the software and report bugs. That
said, I have REALLY enjoyed using CentOS since the beginning.
/

/That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster
designation days when we built the QMT for specific platforms,
Fedora, was among them along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the
beginning QMT was used in a non-Enterprise environment. Anyway...
/

/Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would
like to go back halfway to multi-platform builds while keeping
the current QMT/CentOS 8 offering. This would mitigate the
problems, if there are any, we are seeing now (hopefully). I
guess it just depends on when (or if) the mega-corps buy up all
of the Linux distributions and hang us all out to dry. Given the
Felliniesque nature of the world today nothing would surprise me
anymore.
/

/One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability,
if one is inclined to dig a little beyond binary installs, to
make changes on the fly without having to wait for packages from
the repo./

/I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly,
on Proxmox serveral times with no success. If anyone has any
hints I'm all ears...just my 2 cents./

/So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform
please keep us apprised of your successes. If you feel like
writing it up, I'll post it to the web site.
/

/I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's,
binary ease of install) in some way (I tried using alien...on the
website) which can be used on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to
work for me...
/

/Eric B./


El 20/1/2022 a las 13:57, Janno Sannik escribió:
it's probably discussed before, but why it moved away from centos to 
Springdale or Rocky?


I also need to make a fresh install. So that is why I'm curious.


For server stuff - always would go for ECC if you can and it's 
reasonably busy machine. It doesn't have to cost arm and a leg since 
there is aftermarket hw to snatch with reasonable prices. It's 
really complicated to debug a server with memory problems because it 
might not crash the whole OS, just crashing processes at random.


As Linus Torvalds has said  - we never know how many bad kernel 
dumps have been submitted  and there is nothing wrong with the code, 
just bad memory in the system.


Also if failure occures, you will know where and what dimm is 
broken. And if you are lucky it get's corrected by ECC on the fly.



Janno

On 20.01.2022 18:36, Angus McIntyre wrote:
My impression is that Rocky is more widely supported than 
Springdale by
VM providers like Digital Ocean and Linode. But I think they also 
allow
you to provide your own images for initializing VMs, so maybe 
that's not

an obstacle so much as an extra step.

Angus



Remo wrote on 1/20/22 10:46 AM:

I like rocky Linux.

Remo
Il giorno 20 gen 2022, alle ore 03:06, Andreas Galatis 
 ha scritto:


Hi all,

I use the qmail-toaster since many years and 

Re: [qmailtoaster] Best Config for new server

[Remo Mattei]

Well I will move most of my stuff to Rocky, I have it running there for almost 
a year and love it. 

Remo 

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 09:21, Diego Piñon Conde  wrote:
> 
> It's sad (hey! I love Centos too), but let me transcript an Eric's email from 
> Dec 10 2020 to answer "why move away from centos"
> 
> Diego
> 
>  Mensaje reenviado 
> 
> Asunto:   Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?
> Fecha:Thu, 10 Dec 2020 08:35:01 -0700
> De:   Eric Broch  
> Responder a:  qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com 
> 
> Para: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com 
> 
> 
> Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
> 
> I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago (not a 
> premonition just my natural paranoia) prior to their announcement two 
> days back and visited centos.org to relieve my fears. I was confident at 
> that point that having gotten QMT/CentOS 8 ready I was good to go for ~10 
> years. My confidence MAY have been hasty. I'm still not sure what drawbacks 
> 'stream' is going to bring, if any, and like Angus am apprehensive. It's 
> supposed to be an intermediate environment between Fedora and RHEL. In my 
> opinion, to release CentOS 8 and then move it from downstream to upstream 
> after people have already migrated is short-sighted at the very least, and 
> its name Community Enterprise OS (8) is now a misnomer. Living in somewhat of 
> a cocoon, I was completely unaware that RH "joined" CentOS. I've heard some 
> say that we've been freeloading off CentOS for years and now it's time to pay 
> up. Never mind that a free kernel is used and we actually test the software 
> and report bugs. That said, I have REALLY enjoyed using CentOS since the 
> beginning. 
> 
> That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster designation 
> days when we built the QMT for specific platforms, Fedora, was among them 
> along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the beginning QMT was used in a 
> non-Enterprise environment. Anyway...
> 
> Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would like to go 
> back halfway to multi-platform builds while keeping the current QMT/CentOS 8 
> offering. This would mitigate the problems, if there are any, we are seeing 
> now (hopefully). I guess it just depends on when (or if) the mega-corps buy 
> up all of the Linux distributions and hang us all out to dry. Given the 
> Felliniesque nature of the world today nothing would surprise me anymore.
> 
> One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability, if one is 
> inclined to dig a little beyond binary installs, to make changes on the fly 
> without having to wait for packages from the repo.
> 
> I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly, on Proxmox 
> serveral times with no success. If anyone has any hints I'm all ears...just 
> my 2 cents.
> 
> So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform please keep us 
> apprised of your successes. If you feel like writing it up, I'll post it to 
> the web site.
> 
> I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's, binary ease of 
> install) in some way (I tried using alien...on the website) which can be used 
> on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to work for me...
> 
> Eric B.
> 
> 
> El 20/1/2022 a las 13:57, Janno Sannik escribió:
>> it's probably discussed before, but why it moved away from centos to 
>> Springdale or Rocky? 
>> 
>> I also need to make a fresh install. So that is why I'm curious. 
>> 
>> 
>> For server stuff - always would go for ECC if you can and it's reasonably 
>> busy machine. It doesn't have to cost arm and a leg since there is 
>> aftermarket hw to snatch with reasonable prices. It's really complicated to 
>> debug a server with memory problems because it might not crash the whole OS, 
>> just crashing processes at random. 
>> 
>> As Linus Torvalds has said  - we never know how many bad kernel dumps have 
>> been submitted  and there is nothing wrong with the code, just bad memory in 
>> the system. 
>> 
>> Also if failure occures, you will know where and what dimm is broken. And if 
>> you are lucky it get's corrected by ECC on the fly. 
>> 
>> 
>> Janno 
>> 
>> On 20.01.2022 18:36, Angus McIntyre wrote: 
>>> My impression is that Rocky is more widely supported than Springdale by 
>>> VM providers like Digital Ocean and Linode. But I think they also allow 
>>> you to provide your own images for initializing VMs, so maybe that's not 
>>> an obstacle so much as an extra step. 
>>> 
>>> Angus 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Remo wrote on 1/20/22 10:46 AM: 
 I like rocky Linux. 
 
 Remo 
> Il giorno 20 gen 2022, alle ore 03:06, Andreas Galatis  
>  ha scritto: 
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> I use the qmail-toaster since many years and are very glad with it. The 
> system is very stable, secure 

Re: [qmailtoaster] Best Config for new server

[Diego Piñon Conde]

  
  
It's sad (hey! I love Centos too), but let me transcript an
  Eric's email from Dec 10 2020 to answer "why move away from
  centos"
Diego

 Mensaje reenviado 

  

  Asunto: 
  Re: [qmailtoaster] Future of qmailtoaster on CentOS?


  Fecha: 
  Thu, 10 Dec 2020 08:35:01 -0700


  De: 
  Eric Broch 


  Responder
a: 
  qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com


  Para: 
  qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com

  




  Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
  
  I became concerned about the future of
CentOS a week or so ago  (not a premonition just
  my natural paranoia) prior to their announcement two
days back and visited centos.org to relieve my fears. I was
confident at that point that having gotten QMT/CentOS 8
ready I was good to go for ~10 years. My confidence MAY have
been hasty. I'm still not sure what drawbacks 'stream' is
going to bring, if any, and like Angus am apprehensive. It's
supposed to be an intermediate environment between Fedora
and RHEL. In my opinion, to release CentOS 8 and then move
it from downstream to upstream after people have already
migrated is short-sighted at the very least, and its name
Community Enterprise OS (8) is now a misnomer. Living in
somewhat of a cocoon, I was completely unaware that RH
"joined" CentOS. I've heard some say that we've been
freeloading off CentOS for years and now it's time to pay
up. Never mind that a free kernel is used and we actually
test the software and report bugs. That said, I have REALLY
enjoyed using CentOS since the beginning. 
  
  That said, having a look at the old
spec files from *-toaster designation days when we built the
QMT for specific platforms, Fedora, was among them along
with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the beginning QMT was used in a
non-Enterprise environment. Anyway...
  
  Personally, I'm interested in both
Debian and FreeBSD and would like to go back halfway to
multi-platform builds while keeping the current QMT/CentOS 8
offering. This would mitigate the problems, if there are
any, we are seeing now (hopefully). I guess it just depends
on when (or if) the mega-corps buy up all of the Linux
distributions and hang us all out to dry. Given the
Felliniesque nature of the world today nothing would
surprise me anymore.
  
  One advantage of having a ports like
mail server is the ability, if one is inclined to dig a
little beyond binary installs, to make changes on the fly
without having to wait for packages from the repo.
  I've tried to install FreeBSD,
although somewhat half-heartedly, on Proxmox serveral times
with no success. If anyone has any hints I'm all ears...just
my 2 cents.
  So, if anyone is working on installing
QMT on another platform please keep us apprised of your
successes. If you feel like writing it up, I'll post it to
the web site.
  
  I'll be looking into converting to
*.deb packages (like rpm's, binary ease of install) in some
way (I tried using alien...on the website) which can be used
on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to work for me...
  
  Eric B.


El 20/1/2022 a las 13:57, Janno Sannik
  escribió:

it's
  probably discussed before, but why it moved away from centos to
  Springdale or Rocky?
  
  
  I also need to make a fresh install. So that is why I'm curious.
  
  
  
  For server stuff - always would go for ECC if you can and it's
  reasonably busy machine. It doesn't have to cost arm and a leg
  since there is aftermarket hw to snatch with reasonable prices.
  It's really complicated to debug a server with memory problems
  because it might not crash the whole OS, just crashing processes
  at random.
  
  
  As Linus Torvalds has said  - we never know how many bad kernel
  dumps have been submitted  and there is nothing wrong with the
  code, just bad memory in the system.
  
  
  Also if failure occures, you will know where and what dimm is
  broken. And if you are lucky it get's corrected by ECC on the fly.
  
  
  
  Janno
  
  
  On 20.01.2022 18:36, Angus McIntyre wrote:
  
  My impression is that Rocky is more widely
supported than Springdale 

Re: [qmailtoaster] Best Config for new server

[Janno Sannik]

it's probably discussed before, but why it moved away from centos to 
Springdale or Rocky?


I also need to make a fresh install. So that is why I'm curious.


For server stuff - always would go for ECC if you can and it's 
reasonably busy machine. It doesn't have to cost arm and a leg since 
there is aftermarket hw to snatch with reasonable prices. It's really 
complicated to debug a server with memory problems because it might not 
crash the whole OS, just crashing processes at random.


As Linus Torvalds has said  - we never know how many bad kernel dumps 
have been submitted  and there is nothing wrong with the code, just bad 
memory in the system.


Also if failure occures, you will know where and what dimm is broken. 
And if you are lucky it get's corrected by ECC on the fly.



Janno

On 20.01.2022 18:36, Angus McIntyre wrote:

My impression is that Rocky is more widely supported than Springdale by
VM providers like Digital Ocean and Linode. But I think they also allow
you to provide your own images for initializing VMs, so maybe that's not
an obstacle so much as an extra step.

Angus



Remo wrote on 1/20/22 10:46 AM:

I like rocky Linux.

Remo

Il giorno 20 gen 2022, alle ore 03:06, Andreas Galatis  ha 
scritto:

Hi all,

I use the qmail-toaster since many years and are very glad with it. The system 
is very stable, secure and configurable with the features we need.

I need to install a new Server for qmail and migrate the installation from 
CentOS7.

What is the preferred OS, (Rocky or Springdale)

Is there a big advantage of ECC-Ram (with XEON) over Standard Ram (with Core7)?

Thanks in advance

Iodok



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Re: [qmailtoaster] Best Config for new server

[Angus McIntyre]

My impression is that Rocky is more widely supported than Springdale by
VM providers like Digital Ocean and Linode. But I think they also allow
you to provide your own images for initializing VMs, so maybe that's not
an obstacle so much as an extra step.

Angus



Remo wrote on 1/20/22 10:46 AM:
> 
> I like rocky Linux. 
> 
> Remo
>> Il giorno 20 gen 2022, alle ore 03:06, Andreas Galatis  ha 
>> scritto:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I use the qmail-toaster since many years and are very glad with it. The 
>> system is very stable, secure and configurable with the features we need.
>>
>> I need to install a new Server for qmail and migrate the installation from 
>> CentOS7.
>>
>> What is the preferred OS, (Rocky or Springdale)
>>
>> Is there a big advantage of ECC-Ram (with XEON) over Standard Ram (with 
>> Core7)?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Iodok
>>
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Re: [qmailtoaster] Best Config for new server

[Remo]

I like rocky Linux. 

Remo
> Il giorno 20 gen 2022, alle ore 03:06, Andreas Galatis  ha 
> scritto:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I use the qmail-toaster since many years and are very glad with it. The 
> system is very stable, secure and configurable with the features we need.
> 
> I need to install a new Server for qmail and migrate the installation from 
> CentOS7.
> 
> What is the preferred OS, (Rocky or Springdale)
> 
> Is there a big advantage of ECC-Ram (with XEON) over Standard Ram (with 
> Core7)?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Iodok
> 


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[qmailtoaster] Re: Best Config for new server

[Eric Broch]

I'd personally go with Springdale and ECC.

On 1/20/2022 4:06 AM, Andreas Galatis wrote:

Hi all,

I use the qmail-toaster since many years and are very glad with it. 
The system is very stable, secure and configurable with the features 
we need.


I need to install a new Server for qmail and migrate the installation 
from CentOS7.


What is the preferred OS, (Rocky or Springdale)

Is there a big advantage of ECC-Ram (with XEON) over Standard Ram 
(with Core7)?


Thanks in advance

Iodok



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[qmailtoaster] Best Config for new server

[Andreas Galatis]

Hi all,

I use the qmail-toaster since many years and are very glad with it. The 
system is very stable, secure and configurable with the features we need.


I need to install a new Server for qmail and migrate the installation 
from CentOS7.


What is the preferred OS, (Rocky or Springdale)

Is there a big advantage of ECC-Ram (with XEON) over Standard Ram (with 
Core7)?


Thanks in advance

Iodok



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