[qmailtoaster] How to disable certain services

2007-02-13 Thread K Anand

Hi all,

I want to disable certain services in my toaster like POP3-SSL...How can I 
do that ??


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Re: [qmailtoaster] How to disable certain services

2007-02-13 Thread Philip

Hello
stop qmail
delete the services
rm -rf /var/qmail/supervise/name_of_service
restart qmail

you need to do it each time you re-install qmail-toaster-1.03-*.rpm

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K Anand wrote:

Hi all,

I want to disable certain services in my toaster like POP3-SSL...How 
can I do that ??


Anand

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Re: [qmailtoaster] How to disable certain services

2007-02-13 Thread K Anand


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Hello
stop qmail
delete the services
rm -rf /var/qmail/supervise/name_of_service
restart qmail

you need to do it each time you re-install qmail-toaster-1.03-*.rpm


Apart from deleting, is there any other way ? 


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RE: [qmailtoaster] How to disable certain services

2007-02-13 Thread David Sánchez Martín
 
Apart from deleting, is there any other way ? 

Yep, you can do it temporarily:

svc -d /var/qmail/supervise/NAMEOFSERVICE

This will disable NAMEOFSERVICE temporarily

You can bring it up again with:

svc -u /var/qmail/supervise/NAMEOFSERVICE

See http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/svc.html

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RE: [qmailtoaster] How to disable certain services

2007-02-13 Thread Buzzz

Apart from deleting, is there any other way ?

 Yep, you can do it temporarily:

 svc -d /var/qmail/supervise/NAMEOFSERVICE

 This will disable NAMEOFSERVICE temporarily

 You can bring it up again with:

 svc -u /var/qmail/supervise/NAMEOFSERVICE

 See http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/svc.html


The standard daemontools way is to create a symlink under the $service_dir
pointing to
the service dir .

In this way you don't need to delete ALL the service dir , just the
symlink , so each time you want to re-enable the service all you need to
do is to remake the symlink to it .

Toaster seems not to follow this standard way .

Bye,
Davide


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Re: [qmailtoaster] How to disable certain services

2007-02-13 Thread K Anand

Thanx for the replies guys.

Anand
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Apart from deleting, is there any other way ?


Yep, you can do it temporarily:

svc -d /var/qmail/supervise/NAMEOFSERVICE

This will disable NAMEOFSERVICE temporarily

You can bring it up again with:

svc -u /var/qmail/supervise/NAMEOFSERVICE

See http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/svc.html



The standard daemontools way is to create a symlink under the $service_dir
pointing to
the service dir .

In this way you don't need to delete ALL the service dir , just the
symlink , so each time you want to re-enable the service all you need to
do is to remake the symlink to it .

Toaster seems not to follow this standard way .

Bye,
Davide


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Re: [qmailtoaster] How to disable certain services

2007-02-13 Thread Eric \Shubes\
Buzzz wrote:
 Apart from deleting, is there any other way ?
 Yep, you can do it temporarily:

 svc -d /var/qmail/supervise/NAMEOFSERVICE

 This will disable NAMEOFSERVICE temporarily

 You can bring it up again with:

 svc -u /var/qmail/supervise/NAMEOFSERVICE

 See http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/svc.html


 The standard daemontools way is to create a symlink under the $service_dir
 pointing to
 the service dir .
 
 In this way you don't need to delete ALL the service dir , just the
 symlink , so each time you want to re-enable the service all you need to
 do is to remake the symlink to it .
 
 Toaster seems not to follow this standard way .
 
 Bye,
 Davide
 

EE/Nick,
Is there some reason the toaster doesn't do things the standard way?
I've been wondering what the empty /service directory was all about. ;)

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Re: [qmailtoaster] How to disable certain services

2007-02-13 Thread Buzzz
 EE/Nick,
 Is there some reason the toaster doesn't do things the standard way?
 I've been wondering what the empty /service directory was all about. ;)

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Well it is easily updatable: just move the scan of the service dir from
/var/qmail/supervise to /service and link the service in this dir .

Maybe the qmail script must be update as well .

bye,
Davide


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Re: [qmailtoaster] How to disable certain services

2007-02-13 Thread Erik A. Espinoza

Hey ES,


EE/Nick,
Is there some reason the toaster doesn't do things the standard way?
I've been wondering what the empty /service directory was all about. ;)


To call anything that DJB does standard is a misnomer. That said, we
put everything in /var/qmail/supervise to make it easier to backup and
restore configurations. Having to go to many different directories is
a pain in the arse.

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Re: [qmailtoaster] How to disable certain services

2007-02-13 Thread Eric \Shubes\
Erik A. Espinoza wrote:
 Hey ES,
 
 EE/Nick,
 Is there some reason the toaster doesn't do things the standard way?
 I've been wondering what the empty /service directory was all about. ;)
 
 To call anything that DJB does standard is a misnomer.

I strongly agree with that statement!

 That said, we
 put everything in /var/qmail/supervise to make it easier to backup and
 restore configurations. Having to go to many different directories is
 a pain in the arse.

I figured there was a good reason.

As long as there's 'svc' to control it, I see no need for putting links into
/service/. For that matter, why is there a /service/ at all in the toaster?
I'd be inclined to ditch it.

If someone wanted to disable a stock service permanently, will 'svc -d'
persist after a reboot, or would they need to modify the qmail script to run it?

 Erik
 


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Re: [qmailtoaster] How to disable certain services

2007-02-13 Thread Erik A. Espinoza

As long as there's 'svc' to control it, I see no need for putting links into
/service/. For that matter, why is there a /service/ at all in the toaster?
I'd be inclined to ditch it.


Probably there since the Miguel Beccari days and hasn't been removed.
You can rmdir it without side effect.


If someone wanted to disable a stock service permanently, will 'svc -d'
persist after a reboot, or would they need to modify the qmail script to run it?


No, 'svc -d' is a temporary disable. The only way to permanently
remove it is to rm the dir. I usually leave everything running and
just use the firewall to control access.

For example on my system I don't allow imap or pop3 without ssl. Since
tcpserver doesn't take any resources unless it is in use, then there
is no worries.

Erik

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Re: [qmailtoaster] How to disable certain services

2007-02-13 Thread Eric \Shubes\
Erik A. Espinoza wrote:
 As long as there's 'svc' to control it, I see no need for putting
 links into
 /service/. For that matter, why is there a /service/ at all in the
 toaster?
 I'd be inclined to ditch it.
 
 Probably there since the Miguel Beccari days and hasn't been removed.
 You can rmdir it without side effect.
 
 If someone wanted to disable a stock service permanently, will 'svc -d'
 persist after a reboot, or would they need to modify the qmail script
 to run it?
 
 No, 'svc -d' is a temporary disable. The only way to permanently
 remove it is to rm the dir. I usually leave everything running and
 just use the firewall to control access.
 
 For example on my system I don't allow imap or pop3 without ssl. Since
 tcpserver doesn't take any resources unless it is in use, then there
 is no worries.
 
 Erik
 

I suppose you could create an init script that runs 'svc -d' to disable
whatever service you didn't want.

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Re: [qmailtoaster] How to disable certain services

2007-02-13 Thread Erik A. Espinoza

Indeed. You can put that in rc.local.

Erik

On 2/13/07, Eric Shubes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Erik A. Espinoza wrote:
 As long as there's 'svc' to control it, I see no need for putting
 links into
 /service/. For that matter, why is there a /service/ at all in the
 toaster?
 I'd be inclined to ditch it.

 Probably there since the Miguel Beccari days and hasn't been removed.
 You can rmdir it without side effect.

 If someone wanted to disable a stock service permanently, will 'svc -d'
 persist after a reboot, or would they need to modify the qmail script
 to run it?

 No, 'svc -d' is a temporary disable. The only way to permanently
 remove it is to rm the dir. I usually leave everything running and
 just use the firewall to control access.

 For example on my system I don't allow imap or pop3 without ssl. Since
 tcpserver doesn't take any resources unless it is in use, then there
 is no worries.

 Erik


I suppose you could create an init script that runs 'svc -d' to disable
whatever service you didn't want.

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Re: [qmailtoaster] How to disable certain services

2007-02-13 Thread George Sweetnam




On 2/13/07, Eric Shubes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Erik A. Espinoza wrote:
 As long as there's 'svc' to control it, I see no need for putting
 links into
 /service/. For that matter, why is there a /service/ at all in the
 toaster?
 I'd be inclined to ditch it.

 Probably there since the Miguel Beccari days and hasn't been removed.
 You can rmdir it without side effect.

 If someone wanted to disable a stock service permanently, will 
 'svc -d'

 persist after a reboot, or would they need to modify the qmail script
 to run it?

 No, 'svc -d' is a temporary disable. The only way to permanently
 remove it is to rm the dir. I usually leave everything running and
 just use the firewall to control access.

 For example on my system I don't allow imap or pop3 without ssl. Since
 tcpserver doesn't take any resources unless it is in use, then there
 is no worries.

 Erik


I suppose you could create an init script that runs 'svc -d' to disable
whatever service you didn't want.



No no no no... this is not how you disable a service from running in 
daemontools.  You can change it's normal state to down and leave it 
configured for future use.
(like in a post i made last year explaining how to clear the read proctile 
status of daemontools from the processess list ... this one:  readproctitle 
service errors: . )


If you do a svstat on the directory you will see status listings saying 
normally up or down (only services in an abnormal state will list a message 
saying they are different from the norm)

svstat /var/qmail/supervise/*

If you create a blank file named down in the service directory and then 
shut the service down its normal state will become down and will not run 
unless manually started... even after a reboot.


touch down /var/qmail/supervise/pop3-ssl/down

svstat /var/qmail/supervise/pop3-ssl
/service/pop3-ssl: up (pid 23468) 2 seconds, normally down   lets you 
know it's different from how it should be


svc -d /var/qmail/supervise/pop3-ssl
/service/pop3-ssl: down 27 seconds

svstat /var/qmail/supervise/pop3-ssl


George S 



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Re: [qmailtoaster] How to disable certain services

2007-02-13 Thread Eric \Shubes\
George Sweetnam wrote:
 

 On 2/13/07, Eric Shubes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Erik A. Espinoza wrote:
  As long as there's 'svc' to control it, I see no need for putting
  links into
  /service/. For that matter, why is there a /service/ at all in the
  toaster?
  I'd be inclined to ditch it.
 
  Probably there since the Miguel Beccari days and hasn't been removed.
  You can rmdir it without side effect.
 
  If someone wanted to disable a stock service permanently, will 
 'svc -d'
  persist after a reboot, or would they need to modify the qmail script
  to run it?
 
  No, 'svc -d' is a temporary disable. The only way to permanently
  remove it is to rm the dir. I usually leave everything running and
  just use the firewall to control access.
 
  For example on my system I don't allow imap or pop3 without ssl. Since
  tcpserver doesn't take any resources unless it is in use, then there
  is no worries.
 
  Erik
 

 I suppose you could create an init script that runs 'svc -d' to disable
 whatever service you didn't want.

 
 No no no no... this is not how you disable a service from running in
 daemontools.  You can change it's normal state to down and leave it
 configured for future use.
 (like in a post i made last year explaining how to clear the read
 proctile status of daemontools from the processess list ... this one: 
 readproctitle service errors: . )
 
 If you do a svstat on the directory you will see status listings saying
 normally up or down (only services in an abnormal state will list a
 message saying they are different from the norm)
 svstat /var/qmail/supervise/*
 
 If you create a blank file named down in the service directory and
 then shut the service down its normal state will become down and will
 not run unless manually started... even after a reboot.
 
 touch down /var/qmail/supervise/pop3-ssl/down
 
 svstat /var/qmail/supervise/pop3-ssl
 /service/pop3-ssl: up (pid 23468) 2 seconds, normally down   lets
 you know it's different from how it should be
 
 svc -d /var/qmail/supervise/pop3-ssl
 /service/pop3-ssl: down 27 seconds
 
 svstat /var/qmail/supervise/pop3-ssl
 
 
 George S
 

Congratulations George, you scored (touch down - I love it)!.

This is really good stuff for us daemontools newbs. I'm thinking this really
needs to be on the wiki. Would anyone like to have a go at adding it?

Thanks George. You hit this one out of the park (to mix metaphors).

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