Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?
Dave wrote: Hi Erik, We're here about the QmailToaster Project. Don't get me wrong, this community always goes above and beyond to help out a straggled user, but come on . . . My apologies if anyone is offended. No offense taken The impressive amount of customization and packaging effort that has been put into QmailToaster project solves some of the biggest problems that a new sysadmin would face in setting up an email server. As you rightly point out, much of remaining points are not at all about qmail. This project almost provides a turn-key solution that even the most harried office administrator could use to set up a small email server. The suggestions, if implemented, would simply move the project further down the appliance path. -- David I agree David (and EE). Ultimately, I'd like to see this project be as easy to administer as IPCop (for example). We've a long way to go to get to that point, but not so far as the project's already come (I think, I could be wrong, again). Post-installation appears to be a (somewhat glaring) hole in the project's current state. If you'd like to contribute something to this area, that'd be great. The wiki is a good starting point. Would you care to take the ball on this and get something started? I'd be happy to assist. I know that the Troubleshooting section of the wiki needs some work. Rather than being reactive with a comprehensive Troubleshooting section, I'd rather see a comprehensive post-installation section that would eliminate the need for much troubleshooting. What say you? -- -Eric 'shubes' - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?
Might want to check out the wiki. There are a ton of scripts that you can use to keep the QT up to date. ES and JV have done some great work on keeping the QmailToaster up to date. Due to licensing restrictions, we aren't allowed to give out binary updates, so no yum. The wiki has an faq entry on this. Thanks, Erik On 1/16/07, Dave Q.T. Newbiw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Erik, Thanks for the reply... What size VM, memory-wise, does QM Toaster need? Is 96MB enough? In anticipation of the fact the that over the next few years _some_ bug/security issues will be found, how exactly does the auto update process work? Is everything updated, or just the base CentOS files? Thank you, David Erik Espinoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Dave Can QM Toaster be used to turn a default CentOS install into a very basic POP3/IMAP/SMTP email server? It's a lot more than basic, as it comes with antivirus, antispam, domainkeys, spf and srs. I'd call it thorough rather than basic. Our current ISP where we host ~15 domains and ~25+ email accounts has a mandatory incoming auto-discard spam filter that is far too strict to continue using. That sucks. Unfortunately, switching ISPs is not an option right now. Good luck! I am looking at signing up for a basic low-memory CentOS Virtual Dedicated Server to handle our own incoming ( outgoing) mail. I wouldn't go too low on the memory unless you don't want antivirus and antispam. There will not be a full-time IT person to maintain the server, so simplicity is a must. The QmailToaster is very simple. This is a no brainer. I am perfectly fine with leaving out server-side spam filtering, though I suspect that some basic blacklist usage would be a good idea. I'd recommend against leaving out the spam filtering, as blacklists are usually too encompassing. Most specifically, I don't want to add the performance overhead, security liability, and maintenance requirements of a typical default server. (Apache, MySQL, Bind, etc.) In reality, the only thing that requires maintenance is the antispam, antivirus and webmail.The project keeps those all up to date. The rest is, for the most part, already a couple of years old and battle tested on the internet. Known to be secure. Basically, I want an ultra-basic server that I can set for automatic updates and let it continue running hands-off until CentOS 4 is no longer supported with security patches. Sounds like the plan. It's how I run mine. Will Qmail Toaster do what I need? Yes. It's not basic, but it is simple. And there is plenty of support here, on the wiki and on the main site. Thanks, Erik - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?
What exactly are the licensing issues that prevent qmail from simply being folded in to the CentOS or Ubuntu disrabutions? I'm a little uneasy running a sevrer that requires a kludge to keep automatically up to date. Also, the QM Toaster kit seems to force the use of PHP and MySQL. (... Both items that are hard to secure and I would rather keep off this low-volume server.) Thanks, David --- Erik Espinoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Might want to check out the wiki. There are a ton of scripts that you can use to keep the QT up to date. ES and JV have done some great work on keeping the QmailToaster up to date. Due to licensing restrictions, we aren't allowed to give out binary updates, so no yum. The wiki has an faq entry on this. Thanks, Erik Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?
On Jan 17, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Dave wrote: What exactly are the licensing issues that prevent qmail from simply being folded in to the CentOS or Ubuntu disrabutions? http://cr.yp.to/distributors.html -steve -- If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction. - Fabian, Twelfth Night, III,v - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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What exactly are the licensing issues that prevent qmail from simply being folded in to the CentOS or Ubuntu disrabutions? http://cr.yp.to/distributors.html Yeah... I saw that, but I am not sure what the implications of that are Seemingly you could distribute a binary image... right? -- David Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?
On Jan 17, 2007, at 10:30 AM, Dave wrote: http://cr.yp.to/distributors.html Yeah... I saw that, but I am not sure what the implications of that are Seemingly you could distribute a binary image... right? no; you may not distribute a binary image, you must distribute exactly the binary image provided by DJB (which is a tarball of / var/qmail, whereas QmailToaster uses RPMs). the version of qmail in QmailToaster includes a number of patches that differentiate it from stock qmail. same with ezmlm, daemontools, etc. do i have this right, folks? -steve -- If this were played upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction. - Fabian, Twelfth Night, III,v - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?
Dave wrote: What exactly are the licensing issues that prevent qmail from simply being folded in to the CentOS or Ubuntu disrabutions? Steve has this right in his reply, TTBOMK. I'm a little uneasy running a sevrer that requires a kludge to keep automatically up to date. I'm the same way, Dave. I tend to be more comfortable running binary rpms myself. However that is simply not an option with any derivative of qmail, including the toaster. The scripts provided with the toaster (and qmailtoaster-plus) packages (which *are* rpms), do an adequate job of overcoming this difficulty. The advantages of using rpms are not lost with the toaster. All packages are installed using rpm binaries, it's just that they're built on your specific machine. If you really wanted to use yum to do the upgrades, you could (but there's really no point in doing so). Simply build your own yum repository containing the toaster binary rpms that are produced by the scripts (or built yourself manually), and you're good to go. You just can't *distribute* your binary rpms to anyone else. Also, the QM Toaster kit seems to force the use of PHP and MySQL. (... Both items that are hard to secure and I would rather keep off this low-volume server.) I cannot speak authoritatively on this. Thanks, David --- Erik Espinoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Might want to check out the wiki. There are a ton of scripts that you can use to keep the QT up to date. ES and JV have done some great work on keeping the QmailToaster up to date. Due to licensing restrictions, we aren't allowed to give out binary updates, so no yum. The wiki has an faq entry on this. Thanks, Erik -- -Eric 'shubes' - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?
Dave wrote: What exactly are the licensing issues that prevent qmail from simply being folded in to the CentOS or Ubuntu disrabutions? I'm a little uneasy running a sevrer that requires a kludge to keep automatically up to date. Also, the QM Toaster kit seems to force the use of PHP and MySQL. (... Both items that are hard to secure and I would rather keep off this low-volume server.) The writer of the software (Bernstein) requires that it be distributed as source code so that you know you're getting EXACTLY what he wrote, which is secure. If you read on his site, he's had a running reward for anyone who could find a security hole in his software. It's never been claimed as far as I know. I am not aware of any security patches released for QMail itself since the early 90's, which means that no one has found any. You *COULD* give out RPMs if Bernstein gives you permission, but I know several people that have asked (repeatedly in some cases) but he does not answer any of those emails. As such, we use patches to add functionality to the whole affair, much as everyone else does. Yahoo! runs a patched version of QMail for their whole email system, if that gives you any reassurance to it's stability and security. The PHP and MySQL portions are pretty secure, and I have not heard of too many security problems with either. If you're really worried, I'd suggest bocking incoming connections on port 3306, which will stop outside people from accessing MySQL, and then shutting down Apache (httpd). It's not needed for anything if you're not using webmail as all of the commands can be run from the command line. Then there's no real need to update anything besides spamassassin or clamav if you even decide to use those, and then it's usually only for updates for rules and virus signatures. If you don't use those there's no need to update Toaster anymore (in theory) since the code itself hasn't changed (even the patches) in a long time for security reasons - only for features. If it's still that much of a concern you may look at having someone else run your email, and allow them to deal with updates and security issues. I (as well as several other people on this list, like Erik) run servers like this as part of our businesses so we try and stay on top of all the latest/greatest updates and patches. Hope that helps some. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?
Thank you for the explanation... :) I do have some specific config questions, but I'll read through the wiki first. Also, is there a basic post-install walk through that shows how to configure things like log rotation, mailbox quotas, auto-updates of signatures, etc... plus what ever else is needed to set up the server for hands free use. Thanks again, David --- Jake Vickers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave wrote: What exactly are the licensing issues that prevent qmail from simply being folded in to the CentOS or Ubuntu disrabutions? I'm a little uneasy running a sevrer that requires a kludge to keep automatically up to date. Also, the QM Toaster kit seems to force the use of PHP and MySQL. (... Both items that are hard to secure and I would rather keep off this low-volume server.) The writer of the software (Bernstein) requires that it be distributed as source code so that you know you're getting EXACTLY what he wrote, which is secure. If you read on his site, he's had a running reward for anyone who could find a security hole in his software. It's never been claimed as far as I know. I am not aware of any security patches released for QMail itself since the early 90's, which means that no one has found any. You *COULD* give out RPMs if Bernstein gives you permission, but I know several people that have asked (repeatedly in some cases) but he does not answer any of those emails. As such, we use patches to add functionality to the whole affair, much as everyone else does. Yahoo! runs a patched version of QMail for their whole email system, if that gives you any reassurance to it's stability and security. The PHP and MySQL portions are pretty secure, and I have not heard of too many security problems with either. If you're really worried, I'd suggest bocking incoming connections on port 3306, which will stop outside people from accessing MySQL, and then shutting down Apache (httpd). It's not needed for anything if you're not using webmail as all of the commands can be run from the command line. Then there's no real need to update anything besides spamassassin or clamav if you even decide to use those, and then it's usually only for updates for rules and virus signatures. If you don't use those there's no need to update Toaster anymore (in theory) since the code itself hasn't changed (even the patches) in a long time for security reasons - only for features. If it's still that much of a concern you may look at having someone else run your email, and allow them to deal with updates and security issues. I (as well as several other people on this list, like Erik) run servers like this as part of our businesses so we try and stay on top of all the latest/greatest updates and patches. Hope that helps some. Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?
Dave wrote: Thank you for the explanation... :) I do have some specific config questions, but I'll read through the wiki first. Also, is there a basic post-install walk through that shows how to configure things like log rotation, mailbox quotas, auto-updates of signatures, etc... plus what ever else is needed to set up the server for hands free use. Everyone is trying to add these things as we think of them. Some is usually just answered on the list. Log rotation is done automatically, and the size of the log files before rotation is defined in /var/qmail/control/logcount and logsize (the wiki will explain some more). Not really much to do post-install besides add domains and users. There are some spam things you can add in if your needs require them, and some other customizations (such as smtproutes) but it's only if you need them. Updates of signatures is done automatically (cron job), so just about everything should be hands-free unless you need to change something to fit your environment. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?
Thanks for pointers Perhaps there should be a post install guide section on the wiki? -- David --- Jake Vickers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave wrote: Thank you for the explanation... :) I do have some specific config questions, but I'll read through the wiki first. Also, is there a basic post-install walk through that shows how to configure things like log rotation, mailbox quotas, auto-updates of signatures, etc... plus what ever else is needed to set up the server for hands free use. Everyone is trying to add these things as we think of them. Some is usually just answered on the list. Log rotation is done automatically, and the size of the log files before rotation is defined in /var/qmail/control/logcount and logsize (the wiki will explain some more). Not really much to do post-install besides add domains and users. There are some spam things you can add in if your needs require them, and some other customizations (such as smtproutes) but it's only if you need them. Updates of signatures is done automatically (cron job), so just about everything should be hands-free unless you need to change something to fit your environment. Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dave wrote: Thanks for pointers Perhaps there should be a post install guide section on the wiki? No reason there can't be. I just can't think of what to put in it. Do you have any suggestions to help us get started? Thanks. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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That would be great! Care to write one? Dave wrote: Thanks for pointers Perhaps there should be a post install guide section on the wiki? -- David --- Jake Vickers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave wrote: Thank you for the explanation... :) I do have some specific config questions, but I'll read through the wiki first. Also, is there a basic post-install walk through that shows how to configure things like log rotation, mailbox quotas, auto-updates of signatures, etc... plus what ever else is needed to set up the server for hands free use. Everyone is trying to add these things as we think of them. Some is usually just answered on the list. Log rotation is done automatically, and the size of the log files before rotation is defined in /var/qmail/control/logcount and logsize (the wiki will explain some more). Not really much to do post-install besides add domains and users. There are some spam things you can add in if your needs require them, and some other customizations (such as smtproutes) but it's only if you need them. Updates of signatures is done automatically (cron job), so just about everything should be hands-free unless you need to change something to fit your environment. -- -Eric 'shubes' - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jake Vickers wrote: Dave wrote: Thanks for pointers Perhaps there should be a post install guide section on the wiki? No reason there can't be. I just can't think of what to put in it. Do you have any suggestions to help us get started? Thanks. Aw, cm'on Jake. ;) I'd start with qmailtoaster-plus ;) (if it wasn't used to do the install in the first place). Then there's: .) caching nameserver verification .) backups (always dreaded, but pretty simple with QTP) .) rbls (the stock toaster doesn't do much in this arena) .) spamassassin - turn off local rules only - turn on SURBLs - rules-du-jour (if desired) - turn autoexpire off and run from cron .) SPF, SRS, DK configuration The list isn't endless, but that's a start. -- -Eric 'shubes' - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No reason there can't be. I just can't think of what to put in it. Do you have any suggestions to help us get started? Thanks. Hmm As a new user, I guess even after the install guides, I would still view the system as a fresh OS-esque install Given that most users are probably not experienced Linux admins, the ideal post-install guide would clearly explain the full range and sequence of tasks needed to prepare the server for a long term deployment as an e-mail appliance. (Even addressing non-qmail specific items.) Here are some things that come to mind, but I am sure you folks can think of much more: - Network ACL's - System backups - User data and config backups - Daemon lockdown - Removal of unneeded services - Auto-updates of anything possible. (Think Apache/PHP/SSH/etc... or, even more important, SquirrelMail.) - Basic health reporting / stats to someone. ... and so on... :) -- David TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Dave, There are projects about Network ACL's (IPTables), System backups (Amanda), Daemon Lockdowns (Bastille) and so on. In addition there are plenty of books on the subject matter. That said I mean absolutely no offense to anyone by this next comment. This community isn't here to teach you (or anyone) how to be a network and system admin. We're here about the QmailToaster Project. Don't get me wrong, this community always goes above and beyond to help out a straggled user, but come on . . . My apologies if anyone is offended. Thanks, Erik Here are some things that come to mind, but I am sure you folks can think of much more: - Network ACL's - System backups - User data and config backups - Daemon lockdown - Removal of unneeded services - Auto-updates of anything possible. (Think Apache/PHP/SSH/etc... or, even more important, SquirrelMail.) - Basic health reporting / stats to someone. - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?
Hi Erik, We're here about the QmailToaster Project. Don't get me wrong, this community always goes above and beyond to help out a straggled user, but come on . . . My apologies if anyone is offended. No offense taken The impressive amount of customization and packaging effort that has been put into QmailToaster project solves some of the biggest problems that a new sysadmin would face in setting up an email server. As you rightly point out, much of remaining points are not at all about qmail. This project almost provides a turn-key solution that even the most harried office administrator could use to set up a small email server. The suggestions, if implemented, would simply move the project further down the appliance path. -- David Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?
For that we have the QmailToaster Virtual Appliance for VMware Server/Player/Workstation. :) Erik On 1/17/07, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Erik, We're here about the QmailToaster Project. Don't get me wrong, this community always goes above and beyond to help out a straggled user, but come on . . . My apologies if anyone is offended. No offense taken The impressive amount of customization and packaging effort that has been put into QmailToaster project solves some of the biggest problems that a new sysadmin would face in setting up an email server. As you rightly point out, much of remaining points are not at all about qmail. This project almost provides a turn-key solution that even the most harried office administrator could use to set up a small email server. The suggestions, if implemented, would simply move the project further down the appliance path. -- David Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?
Hi Erik, Thanks for the reply... What size VM, memory-wise, does QM Toaster need? Is 96MB enough? In anticipation of the fact the that over the next few years _some_ bug/security issues will be found, how exactly does the auto update process work? Is everything updated, or just the base CentOS files? Thank you, David Erik Espinoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Dave Can QM Toaster be used to turn a default CentOS install into a very basic POP3/IMAP/SMTP email server? It's a lot more than basic, as it comes with antivirus, antispam, domainkeys, spf and srs. I'd call it thorough rather than basic. Our current ISP where we host ~15 domains and ~25+ email accounts has a mandatory incoming auto-discard spam filter that is far too strict to continue using. That sucks. Unfortunately, switching ISPs is not an option right now. Good luck! I am looking at signing up for a basic low-memory CentOS Virtual Dedicated Server to handle our own incoming ( outgoing) mail. I wouldn't go too low on the memory unless you don't want antivirus and antispam. There will not be a full-time IT person to maintain the server, so simplicity is a must. The QmailToaster is very simple. This is a no brainer. I am perfectly fine with leaving out server-side spam filtering, though I suspect that some basic blacklist usage would be a good idea. I'd recommend against leaving out the spam filtering, as blacklists are usually too encompassing. Most specifically, I don't want to add the performance overhead, security liability, and maintenance requirements of a typical default server. (Apache, MySQL, Bind, etc.) In reality, the only thing that requires maintenance is the antispam, antivirus and webmail.The project keeps those all up to date. The rest is, for the most part, already a couple of years old and battle tested on the internet. Known to be secure. Basically, I want an ultra-basic server that I can set for automatic updates and let it continue running hands-off until CentOS 4 is no longer supported with security patches. Sounds like the plan. It's how I run mine. Will Qmail Toaster do what I need? Yes. It's not basic, but it is simple. And there is plenty of support here, on the wiki and on the main site. Thanks, Erik - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.
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Dave Q.T. Newbiw wrote: Hi Erik, Thanks for the reply... What size VM, memory-wise, does QM Toaster need? Is 96MB enough? That should probably be enough if you're not scanning (clamav, spamassassin). I'm running a full blown toaster for a small office on an old PII/266 w/154M ram, and it practically idles (load avgs 0.1). In anticipation of the fact the that over the next few years _some_ bug/security issues will be found, how exactly does the auto update process work? Is everything updated, or just the base CentOS files? The only thing that's automatically updated in the stock toaster is clamav. You'll need to set up cron jobs to run yum to update the OS. qtp-newmodel script(s) (part of qmailtoaster-plus) can be set up to run by cron too, but I wouldn't recommend that. Once your toaster is stable, it really shouldn't need any/many updates. Thank you, David */Erik Espinoza [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Hello Dave Can QM Toaster be used to turn a default CentOS install into a very basic POP3/IMAP/SMTP email server? It's a lot more than basic, as it comes with antivirus, antispam, domainkeys, spf and srs. I'd call it thorough rather than basic. Our current ISP where we host ~15 domains and ~25+ email accounts has a mandatory incoming auto-discard spam filter that is far too strict to continue using. That sucks. Unfortunately, switching ISPs is not an option right now. Good luck! I am looking at signing up for a basic low-memory CentOS Virtual Dedicated Server to handle our own incoming ( outgoing) mail. I wouldn't go too low on the memory unless you don't want antivirus and antispam. There will not be a full-time IT person to maintain the server, so simplicity is a must. The QmailToaster is very simple. This is a no brainer. I am perfectly fine with leaving out server-side spam filtering, though I suspect that some basic blacklist usage would be a good idea. I'd recommend against leaving out the spam filtering, as blacklists are usually too encompassing. Most specifically, I don't want to add the performance overhead, security liability, and maintenance requirements of a typical default server. (Apache, MySQL, Bind, etc.) In reality, the only thing that requires maintenance is the antispam, antivirus and webmail.The project keeps those all up to date. The rest is, for the most part, already a couple of years old and battle tested on the internet. Known to be secure. Basically, I want an ultra-basic server that I can set for automatic updates and let it continue running hands-off until CentOS 4 is no longer supported with security patches. Sounds like the plan. It's how I run mine. Will Qmail Toaster do what I need? Yes. It's not basic, but it is simple. And there is plenty of support here, on the wiki and on the main site. Thanks, Erik -- -Eric 'shubes' - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mine's a dual PII 233 box with 128 meg of ram and a couple of 250Gb IDE drives. CentOS minimum install (using the super easy install script). I've got 12 users in our small office. I also use the box to host our intranet (with quite a few MySQL databases). As you can see, the box is just coasting along: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# uptime 16:01:21 up 103 days, 2:10, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.06, 0.02 I'm scanning all incoming mail with clam/spam and I haven't had a bit of problems with this setup since the day it was installed. The only outage came when one of our neighbors got in too big of a hurry to leave and wrapped his truck around the power pole outside of our building. Prior to the toaster, I ran a UW-IMAP server with Sendmail on the same hardware. It was easy enough to maintain, but the mbox format was so very slow, especially for my roaming users with less than ideal bandwidth. Al Eric Shubes wrote: Dave Q.T. Newbiw wrote: Hi Erik, Thanks for the reply... What size VM, memory-wise, does QM Toaster need? Is 96MB enough? That should probably be enough if you're not scanning (clamav, spamassassin). I'm running a full blown toaster for a small office on an old PII/266 w/154M ram, and it practically idles (load avgs 0.1). In anticipation of the fact the that over the next few years _some_ bug/security issues will be found, how exactly does the auto update process work? Is everything updated, or just the base CentOS files? The only thing that's automatically updated in the stock toaster is clamav. You'll need to set up cron jobs to run yum to update the OS. qtp-newmodel script(s) (part of qmailtoaster-plus) can be set up to run by cron too, but I wouldn't recommend that. Once your toaster is stable, it really shouldn't need any/many updates. Thank you, David */Erik Espinoza [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Hello Dave Can QM Toaster be used to turn a default CentOS install into a very basic POP3/IMAP/SMTP email server? It's a lot more than basic, as it comes with antivirus, antispam, domainkeys, spf and srs. I'd call it thorough rather than basic. Our current ISP where we host ~15 domains and ~25+ email accounts has a mandatory incoming auto-discard spam filter that is far too strict to continue using. That sucks. Unfortunately, switching ISPs is not an option right now. Good luck! I am looking at signing up for a basic low-memory CentOS Virtual Dedicated Server to handle our own incoming ( outgoing) mail. I wouldn't go too low on the memory unless you don't want antivirus and antispam. There will not be a full-time IT person to maintain the server, so simplicity is a must. The QmailToaster is very simple. This is a no brainer. I am perfectly fine with leaving out server-side spam filtering, though I suspect that some basic blacklist usage would be a good idea. I'd recommend against leaving out the spam filtering, as blacklists are usually too encompassing. Most specifically, I don't want to add the performance overhead, security liability, and maintenance requirements of a typical default server. (Apache, MySQL, Bind, etc.) In reality, the only thing that requires maintenance is the antispam, antivirus and webmail.The project keeps those all up to date. The rest is, for the most part, already a couple of years old and battle tested on the internet. Known to be secure. Basically, I want an ultra-basic server that I can set for automatic updates and let it continue running hands-off until CentOS 4 is no longer supported with security patches. Sounds like the plan. It's how I run mine. Will Qmail Toaster do what I need? Yes. It's not basic, but it is simple. And there is plenty of support here, on the wiki and on the main site. Thanks, Erik - -- Al Adcock Information Technologies Manager \~/ Webmaster BC Technologies 440 West 11th Street Panama City, FL 32401 p: 850-249- f: 850-249-2226 c: 850-625-5842 http://www.bandctech.com ICQ: 179154 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFrU4Min+bkGJNSOMRAgDJAKCXFhF2F5/ioYrrs3ZI9470FEJU2wCdGxCW YlE5QrT9+Elp5rIYNd8Di7c= =1wp7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?
Hello, I am hoping you folks on the list could advise me on this... Can QM Toaster be used to turn a default CentOS install into a very basic POP3/IMAP/SMTP email server? Our current ISP where we host ~15 domains and ~25+ email accounts has a mandatory incoming auto-discard spam filter that is far too strict to continue using. Unfortunately, switching ISPs is not an option right now. I am looking at signing up for a basic low-memory CentOS Virtual Dedicated Server to handle our own incoming ( outgoing) mail. There will not be a full-time IT person to maintain the server, so simplicity is a must. I am perfectly fine with leaving out server-side spam filtering, though I suspect that some basic blacklist usage would be a good idea. Most specifically, I don't want to add the performance overhead, security liability, and maintenance requirements of a typical default server. (Apache, MySQL, Bind, etc.) Basically, I want an ultra-basic server that I can set for automatic updates and let it continue running hands-off until CentOS 4 is no longer supported with security patches. Will Qmail Toaster do what I need? Thank you for reading, David - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.
Re: [qmailtoaster] Should I use qmail toaster?
Hello Dave Can QM Toaster be used to turn a default CentOS install into a very basic POP3/IMAP/SMTP email server? It's a lot more than basic, as it comes with antivirus, antispam, domainkeys, spf and srs. I'd call it thorough rather than basic. Our current ISP where we host ~15 domains and ~25+ email accounts has a mandatory incoming auto-discard spam filter that is far too strict to continue using. That sucks. Unfortunately, switching ISPs is not an option right now. Good luck! I am looking at signing up for a basic low-memory CentOS Virtual Dedicated Server to handle our own incoming ( outgoing) mail. I wouldn't go too low on the memory unless you don't want antivirus and antispam. There will not be a full-time IT person to maintain the server, so simplicity is a must. The QmailToaster is very simple. This is a no brainer. I am perfectly fine with leaving out server-side spam filtering, though I suspect that some basic blacklist usage would be a good idea. I'd recommend against leaving out the spam filtering, as blacklists are usually too encompassing. Most specifically, I don't want to add the performance overhead, security liability, and maintenance requirements of a typical default server. (Apache, MySQL, Bind, etc.) In reality, the only thing that requires maintenance is the antispam, antivirus and webmail.The project keeps those all up to date. The rest is, for the most part, already a couple of years old and battle tested on the internet. Known to be secure. Basically, I want an ultra-basic server that I can set for automatic updates and let it continue running hands-off until CentOS 4 is no longer supported with security patches. Sounds like the plan. It's how I run mine. Will Qmail Toaster do what I need? Yes. It's not basic, but it is simple. And there is plenty of support here, on the wiki and on the main site. Thanks, Erik - QmailToaster hosted by: VR Hosted http://www.vr.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
