Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Is it possible with Qmail
Actually, can't most if not all email server packages such as QmailToaster do these things? 1.Every incoming outgoing messages must have unique number generated at server level. Doesn't this correspond to the Message-ID header field? 2.Every incoming outgoing message track/ status should be maintained and administrator can monitored the overall log. QmailToaster doesn't log everything in one file, but it still logs. A competent admin can figure out what's going on with a specific message. 3.Admin can maintain user profile and grouping. An admin can control what user accounts exist on the toaster and can configure mailing lists, forwards, aliases, etc. 4.Admin can review overall / user wise activities. Once again, QmailToaster logs pretty much everything and an admin can monitor the logs. Brent Gardner - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
RE: [qmailtoaster] Re: Is it possible with Qmail
There is a time and a place for Exchange, but if all they intend to do is email, that's not it. Exchange can be time consuming on the administrative end if the company has more than say 10 - 20 inboxes/accounts (especially as the information store grows). If they don't directly need the calendar/journal/shared info and extensive addressbook, don't go Exchange (not worth it as a strict MTA/email server). I agree with Eric that it looks like someone copied the feature list of Exchange (or similar). There are a lot of logs that most people don't use available in Qmail Toaster. Those might already do what you need. Patrick M. Ring Cornerstone IT, LLC Louisiana Web Host, LLC. 985-868-4200 -Original Message- From: Eric Shubert [mailto:e...@shubes.net] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 10:34 AM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: [qmailtoaster] Re: Is it possible with Qmail I'm glad to know that, Anil. It looks to me as though someone took a feature list from Exchange, and made them requirements. Of course, most other email servers don't have these features, because frankly, they're not something that's necessary, or really even desirable. In the interest of reality, they could also have added: 6.Anti-spam capability must be an additional cost, and marginally effective. 7.Server reliability is spotty. 8.Admin of server will be a full time position that is difficult to fill due to frustrating environment. You'll need to decide for yourself what it's worth to you to serve this customer. If they're bent on getting Exchange, that's what they'll get, and they'll deserve it. My opinion is that if you're really acting in your customer's best interest, you'll try to help them understand why Exchange is not something that they should want. This is largely a process of education. Good luck (seriously). -- -Eric 'shubes' On 02/04/2011 12:05 AM, Anil Aliyan wrote: Dear Eric, Yes these requirements are made by the customer. I know exchange server has all these features but just wanted to check if other mail servers like Qmail etc. can provide all these features or not as Exchange Server will be a costly affair. Regards, Anil Aliyan -Original Message- From: Eric Shubert [mailto:e...@shubes.net] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:24 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: [qmailtoaster] Re: Is it possible with Qmail On 02/03/2011 06:02 AM, Anil Aliyan wrote: Dear All , I have a prospect customer who wish to host their mailing server with us and wish to the following capabilities in the provided mailing solution. Can we have all these mentioned below in Qmail or any add-on for qmail. 1.Every incoming outgoing messages must have unique number generated at server level. 2.Every incoming outgoing message track/ status should be maintained and administrator can monitored the overall log. 3.Admin can maintain user profile and grouping. 4.Admin can review overall / user wise activities. Regards, Anil Aliyan Were these requirements written by you or your prospective customer? -- -Eric 'shubes' -- -- - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! -- -- - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com -- --- Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations
Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Is it possible with Qmail
Actually, if you want to get TECHNICAL, most of those things can also be done in QMT: 1 - a Unique Message ID is created when the server receives each message -- and the message ID is the filename used by VPOPMAIL to store the message (or at least PART of the filename). Of course, to SEE the message ID (file name, etc), you'll need access to the QMail files and folders. 2 - Tracking Status are handled by the QMail logging feature -- and detailed logs are kept for each process. You can adjust the level of detail. The only tricky part is that the Admin user who wants to view these logs will need shell access, or else web access to the log folders files. 3 - Using QMT and the VPOPMAIL utilities, an Admin can easily maintain and modify the settings (including quotas) for each user 4 - Here's the tricky one... Using shell commands and the QMail logs, an Admin certainly can determine overall user activity -- but the logs will need to be more detailed than the default setting, and the Admin will need a shell account in addition to the QMail account. So you see, depending on how you INTERPRET the requirements, QMT can satisfy the requirements with little change! There ARE ways to outsmart even LAZY requirements writers (e.g.: the ones that copy requirements from feature lists!) Just my thoughts... Dan IT4SOHO PS: Throw in an additional kicker -- QMT can support separate Admins for each Domain -- so that different e-mail domain admins can be completely locked out of domains that they are NOT admins for. On 2/4/2011 2:05 AM, Anil Aliyan wrote: Dear Eric, Yes these requirements are made by the customer. I know exchange server has all these features but just wanted to check if other mail servers like Qmail etc. can provide all these features or not as Exchange Server will be a costly affair. Regards, Anil Aliyan -Original Message- From: Eric Shubert [mailto:e...@shubes.net] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:24 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: [qmailtoaster] Re: Is it possible with Qmail On 02/03/2011 06:02 AM, Anil Aliyan wrote: Dear All , I have a prospect customer who wish to host their mailing server with us and wish to the following capabilities in the provided mailing solution. Can we have all these mentioned below in Qmail or any add-on for qmail. 1.Every incoming outgoing messages must have unique number generated at server level. 2.Every incoming outgoing message track/ status should be maintained and administrator can monitored the overall log. 3.Admin can maintain user profile and grouping. 4.Admin can review overall / user wise activities. Regards, Anil Aliyan Were these requirements written by you or your prospective customer? -- -Eric 'shubes' - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
RE: [qmailtoaster] Re: Is it possible with Qmail
Very True on all counts. However, don't be fooled. The logs on Exchange require console/RDP administrative access and can be just as difficult to get to and interpret as QMail. Patrick M. Ring Cornerstone IT, LLC Louisiana Web Host, LLC. 985-868-4200 -Original Message- From: Dan McAllister [mailto:d...@it4soho.com] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 11:16 AM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] Re: Is it possible with Qmail Actually, if you want to get TECHNICAL, most of those things can also be done in QMT: 1 - a Unique Message ID is created when the server receives each message -- and the message ID is the filename used by VPOPMAIL to store the message (or at least PART of the filename). Of course, to SEE the message ID (file name, etc), you'll need access to the QMail files and folders. 2 - Tracking Status are handled by the QMail logging feature -- and detailed logs are kept for each process. You can adjust the level of detail. The only tricky part is that the Admin user who wants to view these logs will need shell access, or else web access to the log folders files. 3 - Using QMT and the VPOPMAIL utilities, an Admin can easily maintain and modify the settings (including quotas) for each user 4 - Here's the tricky one... Using shell commands and the QMail logs, an Admin certainly can determine overall user activity -- but the logs will need to be more detailed than the default setting, and the Admin will need a shell account in addition to the QMail account. So you see, depending on how you INTERPRET the requirements, QMT can satisfy the requirements with little change! There ARE ways to outsmart even LAZY requirements writers (e.g.: the ones that copy requirements from feature lists!) Just my thoughts... Dan IT4SOHO PS: Throw in an additional kicker -- QMT can support separate Admins for each Domain -- so that different e-mail domain admins can be completely locked out of domains that they are NOT admins for. On 2/4/2011 2:05 AM, Anil Aliyan wrote: Dear Eric, Yes these requirements are made by the customer. I know exchange server has all these features but just wanted to check if other mail servers like Qmail etc. can provide all these features or not as Exchange Server will be a costly affair. Regards, Anil Aliyan -Original Message- From: Eric Shubert [mailto:e...@shubes.net] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:24 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: [qmailtoaster] Re: Is it possible with Qmail On 02/03/2011 06:02 AM, Anil Aliyan wrote: Dear All , I have a prospect customer who wish to host their mailing server with us and wish to the following capabilities in the provided mailing solution. Can we have all these mentioned below in Qmail or any add-on for qmail. 1.Every incoming outgoing messages must have unique number generated at server level. 2.Every incoming outgoing message track/ status should be maintained and administrator can monitored the overall log. 3.Admin can maintain user profile and grouping. 4.Admin can review overall / user wise activities. Regards, Anil Aliyan Were these requirements written by you or your prospective customer? -- -Eric 'shubes' -- -- - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! -- -- - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com -- --- Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit
RE: [qmailtoaster] Re: Is it possible with Qmail
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RE: [qmailtoaster] Re: Is it possible with Qmail
Dear Eric, Yes these requirements are made by the customer. I know exchange server has all these features but just wanted to check if other mail servers like Qmail etc. can provide all these features or not as Exchange Server will be a costly affair. Regards, Anil Aliyan -Original Message- From: Eric Shubert [mailto:e...@shubes.net] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:24 PM To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com Subject: [qmailtoaster] Re: Is it possible with Qmail On 02/03/2011 06:02 AM, Anil Aliyan wrote: Dear All , I have a prospect customer who wish to host their mailing server with us and wish to the following capabilities in the provided mailing solution. Can we have all these mentioned below in Qmail or any add-on for qmail. 1.Every incoming outgoing messages must have unique number generated at server level. 2.Every incoming outgoing message track/ status should be maintained and administrator can monitored the overall log. 3.Admin can maintain user profile and grouping. 4.Admin can review overall / user wise activities. Regards, Anil Aliyan Were these requirements written by you or your prospective customer? -- -Eric 'shubes' - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com - Qmailtoaster is sponsored by Vickers Consulting Group (www.vickersconsulting.com) Vickers Consulting Group offers Qmailtoaster support and installations. If you need professional help with your setup, contact them today! - Please visit qmailtoaster.com for the latest news, updates, and packages. To unsubscribe, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-unsubscr...@qmailtoaster.com For additional commands, e-mail: qmailtoaster-list-h...@qmailtoaster.com
