[QUAD-L] interesting outlook of new quadriplegic, says hes a better person now
http://www.thetelegraph.com/news/news/1363115/Vehicle-crash-made-quadriplegics-life-better Thought I would share this story about a man that just became paralyzed and got closer to his family and kids in the process. Ron
Re: [QUAD-L] 46th Anniversary
Naughty Nan, you are a driving force behind the Quad List after all these years with your knowledge and support. Congrats! Best Wishes In a message dated 6/11/2014 6:41:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, nlg52...@yahoo.com writes: We sure do have a LOT in common, Larry! Are you sure you're not my twin??? All kidding aside ... there is something really awesome about having someone who knows exactly what you go/went through. That's what makes this such a special place for me. Thanks Larry The Q-List for being here!! Nan On Sunday, June 8, 2014 12:24 PM, Larry Willis lwillis82...@gmail.com wrote: Nan, you and I are soul mates - born on the same day, hurt in the same way. Your memories are so like mine it is almost scary. I too remember the dive, the zing, the floating, being lifted out, the ambulance ride, clothes cut -- all of it, even the 5% odds. It is like my life has been on pause since that moment, waiting for someone to hit play again. I'll wager you feel the same way. John Milton the great poet became blind. In thinking of his blindness, he wrote, They also serve who only stand and wait. I think that is true with us. Our Purpose lies in the love we share with each other. Hang in there and know that your life has touched more people than you could ever imagine. God bless, my friend. -- Forwarded message -- From: Danny Espinoza _Danny@immortaldesigns.co_ (mailto:da...@immortaldesigns.co) Date: Saturday, June 7, 2014 Subject: [QUAD-L] 46th Anniversary To: Nan _nlg52352@yahoo.com_ (mailto:nlg52...@yahoo.com) , quad-list _quad-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:quad-list@eskimo.com) *hugs -Danny Original Message Subject: [QUAD-L] 46th Anniversary From: Nan _nlg52352@yahoo.com_ () Date: Sat, June 07, 2014 1:37 pm To: quad-list _quad-list@eskimo.com_ () June 7, 1968. A day just like today. It was a Friday ... I woke up, did all my primping and went to school ... I was a sophomore in HS and my world was perfect. My parents had opened our pool earlier in the week, so I had invited my best friend and our boyfriends over for a swim after school. We got home about 2:30 and headed out back - full of youthful enthusiasm. We hit the pool playfully, used the diving board and the slide ... we were having a blast. Sometime before 3:30 (the details about time are a bit fuzzy), I took my last step. I walked to the slide, climbed the ladder, put my hands over my head and gracefully slid down hands first. The minute my head hit the water I felt a zing and everything stopped. I just floated in the water ... it felt like I was doing the jellyfish (aka dead man's) float, but I realized I couldn't move. I knew I was in trouble, and wondered if anyone else knew it. I directed my thoughts to my boyfriend ... Paul, help me. Please, see me. Please He was the only one who realized I wasn't playing. (I think I do believe in telepathy.) They pulled me up into the air, and I could breathe again. The next thing I remember is laying on the pool deck. It was hard to get a deep breath, but I was breathing on my own. People kept putting my hands across my stomach, and they would just fall off... again and again. I still don't know why they did that. Eventually a sheriff came - he wanted to do artificial respiration, but my neighbor sternly told him not to lay a f***ing finger on me. I was shocked to hear an adult use that word ... no one I knew used it back then. Finally an ambulance came, about 45 minutes after my accident. They lifted me onto their gurney (no manual stabilization, no C-collar, no back board), slid me into the back of the ambulance and placed a sandbag on either side of my neck. We rode to the hospital with one guy kneeling over me holding the sand bags and the other blaring the siren the whole way. Gave me one hell of a headache! At the hospital they cut off my bathing suit - I was so embarrassed. I was also appalled ... it was a borrowed suit after all - I scolded them for wrecking it. My memories start to fade out at that point. I did hear the clippers as they shaved off most of my hair and the drill as they prepared to place the Crutchfield tongs in my head, but that was all. Much later, I found out that the doctors had given me a 5% chance ... of surviving. I am 62 years old, and have forgotten so much of my life, yet these memories remain crystal clear. Time has not clouded them. You'd think by now these memories would only bring remembrance ... not regret and sorrow. Usually I celebrate each anniversary - the survival of one more year. This year, however, it's hit me hard. I am not needed as I once was. I am so lonely. Being dependent on others sucks. I want a do over - another chance. I don't want to be a quad any more. Thanks, O Quads, for being there to hear me.
[QUAD-L] ? Dodge Grand Caravan
I have a 2002 Dodge Grand Caravan IMS Rampvan. I had new shocks/struts put on it and it is dragging when going over slight incline and front end is bottoming out . my struts and shocks were shot but it didn't drag or bottom out until they replaced them. Now they tell me I need new springs. Anyone know if I need special shocks/struts since it is a rampvan with the lowered floor. Nicki
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Wow, Nan, that was almost exactly my story, from my boyfriend being there to them cutting off a borrowed swimsuit. Some things you never forget. Meredith - Original Message - From: Nan nlg52...@yahoo.com To: quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 4:34:18 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Unidentified subject! June 7, 1968. A day just like today. It was a Friday ... I woke up, did all my primping and went to school ... I was a sophomore in HS and my world was perfect. My parents had opened our pool earlier in the week, so I had invited my best friend and our boyfriends over for a swim after school. We got home about 2:30 and headed out back - full of youthful enthusiasm. We hit the pool playfully, used the diving board and the slide ... we were having a blast. Sometime before 3:30 (the details about time are a bit fuzzy), I took my last step. I walked to the slide, climbed the ladder, put my hands over my head and gracefully slid down hands first. The minute my head hit the water I felt a zing and everything stopped. I just floated in the water ... it felt like I was doing the jellyfish (aka dead man's) float, but I realized I couldn't move. I knew I was in trouble, and wondered if anyone else knew it. I directed my thoughts to my boyfriend ... Paul, help me. Please, see me. Please He was the only one who realized I wasn't playing. (I think I do believe in telepathy.) They pulled me up into the air, and I could breathe again. The next thing I remember is laying on the pool deck. It was hard to get a deep breath, but I was breathing on my own. People kept putting my hands across my stomach, and they would just fall off... again and again. I still don't know why they did that. Eventually a sheriff came - he wanted to do artificial respiration, but my neighbor sternly told him not to lay a f***ing finger on me. I was shocked to hear an adult use that word ... no one I knew used it back then. Finally an ambulance came, about 45 minutes after my accident. They lifted me onto their gurney (n o manual stabilization, no C-collar, no back board ), slid me into the back of the ambulance and placed a sandbag on either side of my neck. We rode to the hospital with one guy kneeling over me holding the sand bags and the other blaring the siren the whole way. Gave me one hell of a headache! At the hospital they cut off my bathing suit - I was so embarrassed. I was also appalled ... it was a borrowed suit after all - I scolded them for wrecking it. My memories start to fade out at that point. I did hear the clippers as they shaved off most of my hair and the drill as they prepared to place the Crutchfield tongs in my head, but that was all. Much later, I found out that the doctors had given me a 5% chance ... of surviving. I am 62 years old, and have forgotten so much of my life, yet these memories remain crystal clear. Time has not clouded them. You'd think by now these memories would only bring remembrance ... not regret and sorrow. Usually I celebrate each anniversary - the survival of one more year. This year, however, it's hit me hard. I am not needed as I once was. I am so lonely. Being dependent on others sucks. I want a do over - another chance. I don't want to be a quad any more. Thanks, O Quads, for being there to hear me.
[QUAD-L] dodge caravan dragging
I was talking about it with my dad and he thinks that when you replaced shocks and struts the back became a little bit higher, causing the front to have a little more angle and drag a bit. He says if you replace the front coil springs you will be good then. Look at whats actually dragging, maybe its the plastic valance on the front that could be possibly removed or cut a little bit wit a sawzaw. Ron
RE: [QUAD-L] ? Dodge Grand Caravan
My kneel is working but I don’t use it so I keep it off. I called my handicap van dealer/repair shop before getting the work done and they told me to just use regular struts/shocks, that they didn’t have to be anything special (I assumed they knew what they were talking about) I thought after the problems I’m having they were wrong! I even called and asked again and they told me the same thing……use same shocks/struts as a regular van. My vehicle isn’t overloaded…….same chair and weight since I bought the van in 2007. Tire size is correct. The back of the van is what is dragging, just not sure if it is the shock mounts or what……..front end bottoms out when I hit a slight dip or bump in the road L From: Thomas E. Cusack [mailto:tecn...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 12:29 PM To: nichole rohling Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] ? Dodge Grand Caravan The older IMS Vans had airbag suspension allowing the vehicle to 'kneel', have your mobility dealer check those, those vans also came with 'heavy duty' suspension-who ever is doing the work should be aware of that fact, be sure the vehicle isn't overloaded. your mobility dealer should weigh the van to see the carrying capacity-you might have it overloaded. do you have the correct sized tires? have your NMEDA QAP dealer review all aspects-having the van 'bottom out' is not a good thing. Tom C. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 11:58 AM, nichole rohling zoocr...@windstream.net wrote: I have a 2002 Dodge Grand Caravan IMS Rampvan. I had new shocks/struts put on it and it is dragging when going over slight incline and front end is bottoming out ……….. my struts and shocks were shot but it didn’t drag or bottom out until they replaced them. Now they tell me I need new springs. Anyone know if I need special shocks/struts since it is a rampvan with the lowered floor. Nicki
RE: [QUAD-L] ? Dodge Grand Caravan
Thanks Tom! I live about 75 miles from the nearest mobility dealer and I’m in a town of 2,500……..lol. When my brother gets home from vacation I’ll have him look and see what he can find and where he says I should take it to check the suspension system. Wish I would win the lottery and I’d just buy a new one J From: Thomas E. Cusack [mailto:tecn...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:01 PM To: nichole rohling Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] ? Dodge Grand Caravan In some of the older Dodge's the front shock towers rusted out on us I would go to a business that specializes in suspension systems and possibly have them work with your mobility dealer. Some of the older vans we've been seeing suspension systems just wear out. Keep me in the loop. Good Luck! Remember the van is a few years old...I'll try to assist you as best I can. Tom C. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 2:26 PM, nichole rohling zoocr...@windstream.net wrote: My kneel is working but I don’t use it so I keep it off. I called my handicap van dealer/repair shop before getting the work done and they told me to just use regular struts/shocks, that they didn’t have to be anything special (I assumed they knew what they were talking about) I thought after the problems I’m having they were wrong! I even called and asked again and they told me the same thing……use same shocks/struts as a regular van. My vehicle isn’t overloaded…….same chair and weight since I bought the van in 2007. Tire size is correct. The back of the van is what is dragging, just not sure if it is the shock mounts or what……..front end bottoms out when I hit a slight dip or bump in the road L From: Thomas E. Cusack [mailto:tecn...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 12:29 PM To: nichole rohling Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] ? Dodge Grand Caravan The older IMS Vans had airbag suspension allowing the vehicle to 'kneel', have your mobility dealer check those, those vans also came with 'heavy duty' suspension-who ever is doing the work should be aware of that fact, be sure the vehicle isn't overloaded. your mobility dealer should weigh the van to see the carrying capacity-you might have it overloaded. do you have the correct sized tires? have your NMEDA QAP dealer review all aspects-having the van 'bottom out' is not a good thing. Tom C. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 11:58 AM, nichole rohling zoocr...@windstream.net wrote: I have a 2002 Dodge Grand Caravan IMS Rampvan. I had new shocks/struts put on it and it is dragging when going over slight incline and front end is bottoming out ……….. my struts and shocks were shot but it didn’t drag or bottom out until they replaced them. Now they tell me I need new springs. Anyone know if I need special shocks/struts since it is a rampvan with the lowered floor. Nicki
Re: [QUAD-L] 46th Anniversary
Wow, that's amazing with the simalarities. Anyway, congratulations to you both. You both are amazing, love to you! Lindaf
Re: [QUAD-L] ? Dodge Grand Caravan
Back in 2002, Conversions were required to use only Caravans with the Manufacturer's Towing Package, with the heavier suspension package. Since IMS was not purchasing direct, they would convert most any vehicle. The repair may have used a short shock/ struts (without the rising sleeve) and that is why your van is scrapping on the ground. Best Wishes In a message dated 6/12/2014 11:58:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, zoocr...@windstream.net writes: I have a 2002 Dodge Grand Caravan IMS Rampvan. I had new shocks/struts put on it and it is dragging when going over slight incline and front end is bottoming out ……….. my struts and shocks were shot but it didn’t drag or bottom out until they replaced them. Now they tell me I need new springs. Anyone know if I need special shocks/struts since it is a rampvan with the lowered floor. Nicki
Re: [QUAD-L] dodge caravan dragging
Ron, on the 2002 the manufacturer used spacers between the body and the strut to provide a lift. Best Wishes In a message dated 6/12/2014 1:08:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, r.pra...@sbcglobal.net writes: I was talking about it with my dad and he thinks that when you replaced shocks and struts the back became a little bit higher, causing the front to have a little more angle and drag a bit. He says if you replace the front coil springs you will be good then. Look at whats actually dragging, maybe its the plastic valance on the front that could be possibly removed or cut a little bit wit a sawzaw. Ron
RE: [QUAD-L] ? Dodge Grand Caravan
That makes sense, in fact my ex said maybe it had a spacer that they left off. Would the rising sleeve be something I can purchase now? When buying shocks/struts would I need to buy as if I had a towing package? From: wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 5:32 PM To: zoocr...@windstream.net; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] ? Dodge Grand Caravan Back in 2002, Conversions were required to use only Caravans with the Manufacturer's Towing Package, with the heavier suspension package. Since IMS was not purchasing direct, they would convert most any vehicle. The repair may have used a short shock/ struts (without the rising sleeve) and that is why your van is scrapping on the ground. Best Wishes In a message dated 6/12/2014 11:58:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, zoocr...@windstream.net writes: I have a 2002 Dodge Grand Caravan IMS Rampvan. I had new shocks/struts put on it and it is dragging when going over slight incline and front end is bottoming out ……….. my struts and shocks were shot but it didn’t drag or bottom out until they replaced them. Now they tell me I need new springs. Anyone know if I need special shocks/struts since it is a rampvan with the lowered floor. Nicki
[QUAD-L] manager
Can the list manager please email me off list regarding a question I have? Thank you! Kathryn
Re: [QUAD-L] ? Dodge Grand Caravan
Honestly, I doubt it. So much has happened since IMS built that van. Keep in mind they were purchased by the Braun Corp. That spacer was all part of the original design. Best Wishes In a message dated 6/12/2014 5:59:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, zoocr...@windstream.net writes: That makes sense, in fact my ex said maybe it had a spacer that they left off. Would the rising sleeve be something I can purchase now? When buying shocks/struts would I need to buy as if I had a towing package? From: wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 5:32 PM To: zoocr...@windstream.net; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] ? Dodge Grand Caravan Back in 2002, Conversions were required to use only Caravans with the Manufacturer's Towing Package, with the heavier suspension package. Since IMS was not purchasing direct, they would convert most any vehicle. The repair may have used a short shock/ struts (without the rising sleeve) and that is why your van is scrapping on the ground. Best Wishes In a message dated 6/12/2014 11:58:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, _zoocrew1@windstream.net_ (mailto:zoocr...@windstream.net) writes: I have a 2002 Dodge Grand Caravan IMS Rampvan. I had new shocks/struts put on it and it is dragging when going over slight incline and front end is bottoming out ……….. my struts and shocks were shot but it didn’t drag or bottom out until they replaced them. Now they tell me I need new springs. Anyone know if I need special shocks/struts since it is a rampvan with the lowered floor. Nicki
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List Manager We Have No List Manager. We don't need no stinkin List Manager.. What's your question? Best Wishes In a message dated 6/12/2014 6:02:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, carroll.kathry...@gmail.com writes: Can the list manager please email me off list regarding a question I have? Thank you! Kathryn
Re: [QUAD-L] ? Dodge Grand Caravan
This is a great list to reach out and help one another with. Some of the ideas that have been offered regarding your 2002 IMS Lowered Floor Minivan have been solutions. However, i think we'll agree that you should have a mobility dealer or a qualified suspension shop get their eyes on it for the best diagnosis. Please remember that the vehicle is 12 years old and the folks on this List really don't want to give ANY bad advise. Don't worry you'll get it fixed and you'll be back enjoying your van!|Good Luck!|Tom C. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 6:02 PM, wheelch...@aol.com wheelch...@aol.com wrote: Honestly, I doubt it. So much has happened since IMS built that van. Keep in mind they were purchased by the Braun Corp. That spacer was all part of the original design. Best Wishes In a message dated 6/12/2014 5:59:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, zoocr...@windstream.net writes: That makes sense, in fact my ex said maybe it had a spacer that they left off. Would the rising sleeve be something I can purchase now? When buying shocks/struts would I need to buy as if I had a towing package? From:wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 5:32 PM To: zoocr...@windstream.net; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] ? Dodge Grand Caravan Back in 2002, Conversions were required to use only Caravans with the Manufacturer's Towing Package, with the heavier suspension package. Since IMS was not purchasing direct, they would convert most any vehicle. The repair may have used a short shock/ struts (without the rising sleeve) and that is why your van is scrapping on the ground. Best Wishes In a message dated 6/12/2014 11:58:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, zoocr...@windstream.net writes: I have a 2002 Dodge Grand Caravan IMS Rampvan. I had new shocks/struts put on it and it is dragging when going over slight incline and front end is bottoming out ……….. my struts and shocks were shot but it didn’t drag or bottom out until they replaced them. Now they tell me I need new springs. Anyone know if I need special shocks/struts since it is a rampvan with the lowered floor. Nicki
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I am list manager PUTINtell me your wishes and I will turn you down. :-) On Thursday, June 12, 2014 6:03 PM, wheelch...@aol.com wheelch...@aol.com wrote: List Manager We Have No List Manager. We don't need no stinkin List Manager.. What's your question? Best Wishes In a message dated 6/12/2014 6:02:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, carroll.kathry...@gmail.com writes: Can the list manager please email me off list regarding a question I have? Thank you! Kathryn
Re: [QUAD-L] manager
HaHa, the fact we have no manager on this list makes it so good. People can actually tell the truth about how they feel with repercussion. Ron On Thursday, June 12, 2014 6:58 PM, Danny Hearn ddh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I am list manager PUTINtell me your wishes and I will turn you down. :-) On Thursday, June 12, 2014 6:03 PM, wheelch...@aol.com wheelch...@aol.com wrote: List Manager We Have No List Manager. We don't need no stinkin List Manager.. What's your question? Best Wishes In a message dated 6/12/2014 6:02:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, carroll.kathry...@gmail.com writes: Can the list manager please email me off list regarding a question I have? Thank you! Kathryn
RE: [QUAD-L] ? Dodge Grand Caravan
I’ll be calling tomorrow thank you all From: wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:01 PM To: zoocr...@windstream.net Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] ? Dodge Grand Caravan As Tom suggested, take your van to a NMEDA approved and certified dealer for an onsite inspection and evaluation. Best Wishes In a message dated 6/12/2014 6:44:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, zoocr...@windstream.net writes: L crap From: wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 6:03 PM To: zoocr...@windstream.net; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] ? Dodge Grand Caravan Honestly, I doubt it. So much has happened since IMS built that van. Keep in mind they were purchased by the Braun Corp. That spacer was all part of the original design. Best Wishes In a message dated 6/12/2014 5:59:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, zoocr...@windstream.net writes: That makes sense, in fact my ex said maybe it had a spacer that they left off. Would the rising sleeve be something I can purchase now? When buying shocks/struts would I need to buy as if I had a towing package? From: wheelch...@aol.com [mailto:wheelch...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 5:32 PM To: zoocr...@windstream.net; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] ? Dodge Grand Caravan Back in 2002, Conversions were required to use only Caravans with the Manufacturer's Towing Package, with the heavier suspension package. Since IMS was not purchasing direct, they would convert most any vehicle. The repair may have used a short shock/ struts (without the rising sleeve) and that is why your van is scrapping on the ground. Best Wishes In a message dated 6/12/2014 11:58:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, zoocr...@windstream.net writes: I have a 2002 Dodge Grand Caravan IMS Rampvan. I had new shocks/struts put on it and it is dragging when going over slight incline and front end is bottoming out ……….. my struts and shocks were shot but it didn’t drag or bottom out until they replaced them. Now they tell me I need new springs. Anyone know if I need special shocks/struts since it is a rampvan with the lowered floor. Nicki
