RE: [QUAD-L] controlling backflow
LOL. Don't sweat it John, I to was wondering who peed in their cornflacks. From: John S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:15 PM To: John S.; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] controlling backflow It is ok to say I'm cracked. I know Lori and Wheels both think I should be on a different e mail list, I can't find [EMAIL PROTECTED], :-). I know you are all smart and well educated in the handling of the urinary equipment. I just saw that one guy and had a thought. I will now let it die of loneliness. By the way, months ago someone was asking about a larger night time collection system. I think I found it at http://www.vitalitymedical.com/vitalitymedical.storefront/470e6e0a0189151327 19424d362305d7/Product/View/NUH4004_ea It holds a freakin gallon. Looks easier to handle than hooking up 2litre bags to each other, too. Wishing you all the best, john - Original Message From: John S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:58:32 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] controlling backflow I guess I wasn't making myself clear. I know the bags do not backflow. The line from the catheter to the bag does backflow. I was watching a nurse at a hospital where I volunteer one day a week and the patient was in a coma. She lifted the bad up right high and walked around the bed. As she did, the line to the bag emptied back into the patient who also had a supra pubic catheter. I didn't say anything to her because as a volunteer I'm just barely tolerated. He was being turned every two hours and treated for recurring UTI's. I did begin thinking of many of you and if your lines drain back to you when you move about. I'm not saying clamp your catheter and leave it clamped. Only clamp it untill you finish turning then unclamp it. I'm not thinking it takes more than a few minutes before unclamping. As far as family members wanting rid of you, or sending you to a nursing home, contact your local Center for Independant Living. There are specially designed apartments in most communities. You will need to contact a local agency or hire your own aides. Even good nursing homes suck. I've been in and out of a few. I'd rather live on my own, although I seem to have a regular stream of family members and neighbors coming through. The family members that insisted I live in a nursing home don't come around much. It works out pretty good since I can't tolerate drunks and theives, either. Trust me, you will enjoy living alone. The moment everyone thinks your alone they begin calling and visiting. i'm sitting here wondering what I'm going to do with all the food that has been dropped off. theres an entire apple pie and a meatloaf. I sure hope my aide is hungry when she gets here. john - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:14:47 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] controlling backflow You need to be using bags with anti-reflux valves. Both my leg/night bags have them and you can turn them upside down and nothing comes out. I also wear a condom cath. Jim _ See what's new at AOL.com http://www.aol.com/?NCID=AOLCMP0030001170 and Make AOL Your http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP0030001169 Homepage. _ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48253/*http:/mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC mail, news, photos more. _ Be a better Heartthrob. Get http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48255/*http:/answers.yahoo.com/dir/_ylc=X3oDMTI5 MGx2aThyBF9TAzIxMTU1MDAzNTIEX3MDMzk2NTQ1MTAzBHNlYwNCQUJwaWxsYXJfTklfMzYwBHNs awNQcm9kdWN0X3F1ZXN0aW9uX3BhZ2U-?link=listsid=396545433 better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
Re: [QUAD-L] controlling backflow
I was just joking saying that lori n wheels, Nobody has ever offended me. You and wheels ask questions. I'm on more narcotics these days and If I'm hard to understand, I appreciate y'all saying something. Never think you've offended me. You've merely caused me to go back and see how goofy I got. :-D Prayers and best wishes always, john - Original Message From: Lori Michaelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John S. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 4:15:44 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] controlling backflow Hey John... I do not ever remember implying that you should be on a different e-mail list. Many, many folks feel that way about me too. LOL I learned way back in 1995 that even though Internet communication is great... toes get stepped on so very easily. You do not sound very cracked to me. Just for the record. :-) Lori C4/5 complete quad, 28 years post Tucson, AZ It is ok to say I'm cracked. I know Lori and Wheels both think I should be on a different e mail list, I can't find [EMAIL PROTECTED], :-). I know you are all smart and well educated in the handling of the urinary equipment. I just saw that one guy and had a thought. I will now let it die of loneliness. By the way, months ago someone was asking about a larger night time collection system. I think I found it at http://www.vitalitymedical.com/vitalitymedical.storefront/470e6e0a018915132719424d362305d7/Product/View/NUH4004_ea It holds a freakin gallon. Looks easier to handle than hooking up 2litre bags to each other, too. Wishing you all the best, john - Original Message From: John S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:58:32 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] controlling backflow I guess I wasn't making myself clear. I know the bags do not backflow. The line from the catheter to the bag does backflow. I was watching a nurse at a hospital where I volunteer one day a week and the patient was in a coma. She lifted the bad up right high and walked around the bed. As she did, the line to the bag emptied back into the patient who also had a supra pubic catheter. I didn't say anything to her because as a volunteer I'm just barely tolerated. He was being turned every two hours and treated for recurring UTI's. I did begin thinking of many of you and if your lines drain back to you when you move about. I'm not saying clamp your catheter and leave it clamped. Only clamp it untill you finish turning then unclamp it. I'm not thinking it takes more than a few minutes before unclamping. As far as family members wanting rid of you, or sending you to a nursing home, contact your local Center for Independant Living. There are specially designed apartments in most communities. You will need to contact a local agency or hire your own aides. Even good nursing homes suck. I've been in and out of a few. I'd rather live on my own, although I seem to have a regular stream of family members and neighbors coming through. The family members that insisted I live in a nursing home don't come around much. It works out pretty good since I can't tolerate drunks and theives, either. Trust me, you will enjoy living alone. The moment everyone thinks your alone they begin calling and visiting. i'm sitting here wondering what I'm going to do with all the food that has been dropped off. theres an entire apple pie and a meatloaf. I sure hope my aide is hungry when she gets here. john Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
Re: [QUAD-L] controlling backflow
Hey John... I do not ever remember implying that you should be on a different e-mail list. Many, many folks feel that way about me too. LOL I learned way back in 1995 that even though Internet communication is great... toes get stepped on so very easily. You do not sound very cracked to me. Just for the record. :-) Lori C4/5 complete quad, 28 years post Tucson, AZ It is ok to say I'm cracked. I know Lori and Wheels both think I should be on a different e mail list, I can't find [EMAIL PROTECTED], :-). I know you are all smart and well educated in the handling of the urinary equipment. I just saw that one guy and had a thought. I will now let it die of loneliness. By the way, months ago someone was asking about a larger night time collection system. I think I found it at http://www.vitalitymedical.com/vitalitymedical.storefront/470e6e0a018915132719424d362305d7/Product/View/NUH4004_ea It holds a freakin gallon. Looks easier to handle than hooking up 2litre bags to each other, too. Wishing you all the best, john - Original Message From: John S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:58:32 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] controlling backflow I guess I wasn't making myself clear. I know the bags do not backflow. The line from the catheter to the bag does backflow. I was watching a nurse at a hospital where I volunteer one day a week and the patient was in a coma. She lifted the bad up right high and walked around the bed. As she did, the line to the bag emptied back into the patient who also had a supra pubic catheter. I didn't say anything to her because as a volunteer I'm just barely tolerated. He was being turned every two hours and treated for recurring UTI's. I did begin thinking of many of you and if your lines drain back to you when you move about. I'm not saying clamp your catheter and leave it clamped. Only clamp it untill you finish turning then unclamp it. I'm not thinking it takes more than a few minutes before unclamping. As far as family members wanting rid of you, or sending you to a nursing home, contact your local Center for Independant Living. There are specially designed apartments in most communities. You will need to contact a local agency or hire your own aides. Even good nursing homes suck. I've been in and out of a few. I'd rather live on my own, although I seem to have a regular stream of family members and neighbors coming through. The family members that insisted I live in a nursing home don't come around much. It works out pretty good since I can't tolerate drunks and theives, either. Trust me, you will enjoy living alone. The moment everyone thinks your alone they begin calling and visiting. i'm sitting here wondering what I'm going to do with all the food that has been dropped off. theres an entire apple pie and a meatloaf. I sure hope my aide is hungry when she gets here. john
Re: [QUAD-L] controlling backflow
You need to be using bags with anti-reflux valves. Both my leg/night bags have them and you can turn them upside down and nothing comes out. I also wear a condom cath. Jim ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [QUAD-L] controlling backflow
I guess I wasn't making myself clear. I know the bags do not backflow. The line from the catheter to the bag does backflow. I was watching a nurse at a hospital where I volunteer one day a week and the patient was in a coma. She lifted the bad up right high and walked around the bed. As she did, the line to the bag emptied back into the patient who also had a supra pubic catheter. I didn't say anything to her because as a volunteer I'm just barely tolerated. He was being turned every two hours and treated for recurring UTI's. I did begin thinking of many of you and if your lines drain back to you when you move about. I'm not saying clamp your catheter and leave it clamped. Only clamp it untill you finish turning then unclamp it. I'm not thinking it takes more than a few minutes before unclamping. As far as family members wanting rid of you, or sending you to a nursing home, contact your local Center for Independant Living. There are specially designed apartments in most communities. You will need to contact a local agency or hire your own aides. Even good nursing homes suck. I've been in and out of a few. I'd rather live on my own, although I seem to have a regular stream of family members and neighbors coming through. The family members that insisted I live in a nursing home don't come around much. It works out pretty good since I can't tolerate drunks and theives, either. Trust me, you will enjoy living alone. The moment everyone thinks your alone they begin calling and visiting. i'm sitting here wondering what I'm going to do with all the food that has been dropped off. theres an entire apple pie and a meatloaf. I sure hope my aide is hungry when she gets here. john - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:14:47 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] controlling backflow You need to be using bags with anti-reflux valves. Both my leg/night bags have them and you can turn them upside down and nothing comes out. I also wear a condom cath. Jim See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
Re: [QUAD-L] controlling backflow
It is ok to say I'm cracked. I know Lori and Wheels both think I should be on a different e mail list, I can't find [EMAIL PROTECTED], :-). I know you are all smart and well educated in the handling of the urinary equipment. I just saw that one guy and had a thought. I will now let it die of loneliness. By the way, months ago someone was asking about a larger night time collection system. I think I found it at http://www.vitalitymedical.com/vitalitymedical.storefront/470e6e0a018915132719424d362305d7/Product/View/NUH4004_ea It holds a freakin gallon. Looks easier to handle than hooking up 2litre bags to each other, too. Wishing you all the best, john - Original Message From: John S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:58:32 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] controlling backflow I guess I wasn't making myself clear. I know the bags do not backflow. The line from the catheter to the bag does backflow. I was watching a nurse at a hospital where I volunteer one day a week and the patient was in a coma. She lifted the bad up right high and walked around the bed. As she did, the line to the bag emptied back into the patient who also had a supra pubic catheter. I didn't say anything to her because as a volunteer I'm just barely tolerated. He was being turned every two hours and treated for recurring UTI's. I did begin thinking of many of you and if your lines drain back to you when you move about. I'm not saying clamp your catheter and leave it clamped. Only clamp it untill you finish turning then unclamp it. I'm not thinking it takes more than a few minutes before unclamping. As far as family members wanting rid of you, or sending you to a nursing home, contact your local Center for Independant Living. There are specially designed apartments in most communities. You will need to contact a local agency or hire your own aides. Even good nursing homes suck. I've been in and out of a few. I'd rather live on my own, although I seem to have a regular stream of family members and neighbors coming through. The family members that insisted I live in a nursing home don't come around much. It works out pretty good since I can't tolerate drunks and theives, either. Trust me, you will enjoy living alone. The moment everyone thinks your alone they begin calling and visiting. i'm sitting here wondering what I'm going to do with all the food that has been dropped off. theres an entire apple pie and a meatloaf. I sure hope my aide is hungry when she gets here. john - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:14:47 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] controlling backflow You need to be using bags with anti-reflux valves. Both my leg/night bags have them and you can turn them upside down and nothing comes out. I also wear a condom cath. Jim See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
Re: [QUAD-L] controlling backflow
Comon John, we always appreciate intelligent conversation, banter and good advice. You are rarely an exception to that and offer great advice, except peeing in the snow, to mark your parking spot at the mall, lol. Best Wishes In a message dated 10/11/2007 2:15:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is ok to say I'm cracked. I know Lori and Wheels both think I should be on a different e mail list, I can't find [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) , :-). I know you are all smart and well educated in the handling of the urinary equipment. I just saw that one guy and had a thought. I will now let it die of loneliness. By the way, months ago someone was asking about a larger night time collection system. I think I found it at _http://www.vitalitymedical.com/vitalitymedical.storefront/470e6e0a01891513271 9424d362305d7/Product/View/NUH4004_ea_ (http://www.vitalitymedical.com/vitalitymedical.storefront/470e6e0a018915132719424d362305d7/Product/View/NUH4004_ea) It holds a freakin gallon. Looks easier to handle than hooking up 2litre bags to each other, too. Wishing you all the best, john ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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HI ... I HAVE A SUPRA-PUBIC AND USE THE LARGE SIZE BED BAG ALL THE TIME--THE BAG ITSELF HAS A BUILT IN ANTI-REFLUX NEAR THE TOP AND THEY CLAIM THAT ONCE IN THE BAG IT CAN NEVER GO BACK UP INTO THE DRAIN TUBE. SO THAT IS VERY NICE NOT HAVING TO WORRY WITH THE BAG PART EVER BACKING UP. DAN John S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't used a foley in so long I often forget what you guys are dealing with. I was wondering if those of you with SP catheters and indwelling catheters use any clamp system between urinating or do you leave your system open to the drainage bag? I was at a supply place where I get some of my stuff and asked about anti-reflux catheters or non backflow catheters and what they have hasn't changed any in 30 years. The lines to the drainbags can flow back into your bladder if the line is lifted. I have seen some pretty aggresivwe cleaning solutions used on bedbags and legbags. If thesae chemicals flow back into your bladder, you will be very ill very fast. A few years ago I saw a magnetic attachment for catheters that stopped backflow and was used to train the bladder by holding back urine flow until pressure forced the magnets open. Can't find it anymore. For those of you that don't know to do it, clamp your catheter shut if your being moved around. The stuff in the bag lines can and do cause many infections. Nurses use to be taught this but I have noticed many seem completely unaware of the practice, in fact, I met a nurse who had never seen a condom cath. When lying still be certain that your catheter has a positive flow. (draining away from you). The best way to clamp it is to place the clamp device you choose beyond the water jacketet part of the foley near the bag line. Don't forget to unclamp it when your done rolling and moving the bag. Hope that helps someone, john - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.
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I don't know if it is any help, but if you stop the backflow from your line between the catheter and the bag you might avoid a few infections. Theres no such thing as an anti backflow catheter that I can find. When I was in rehab we had plastic clips on the catheter just above the y where the water injects and the baglines hook up. When rolling or hooking to the legbag we would clip it shut. It stopped any backflow from the baglines. I have been wondering why so many on the list are getting such virulent infections. I know you all seem to be very clean healthy people. While it may not be the problem for all of you, it might save a few infections. I haven't had a catheter inside in over 14 years. When I roll I will often get a huge amount of urine back from the bagline, but it only fills into my condom. If that went in my bladder I honestly see a serious problem. I sat in lectures about catheters and bedbags/legbags and avoiding any backflow. I remember them talking about cleaning bedbags with vinegar and water while I was in rehab, but I remember reading someone on the list saying they cleaned the bags with a clorox solution. I'm just making a suggestion. I've become attached to reading what many of you have to say and I know how much UTI's can ruin your day. I've been running into some really dumb home care nurses and thinking, damn, there are folks that believe these dummys!. hope I'm being helpfull, john - Original Message From: Danny Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John S. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:48:59 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] controlling backflow HI ... I HAVE A SUPRA-PUBIC AND USE THE LARGE SIZE BED BAG ALL THE TIME--THE BAG ITSELF HAS A BUILT IN ANTI-REFLUX NEAR THE TOP AND THEY CLAIM THAT ONCE IN THE BAG IT CAN NEVER GO BACK UP INTO THE DRAIN TUBE. SO THAT IS VERY NICE NOT HAVING TO WORRY WITH THE BAG PART EVER BACKING UP. DAN John S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't used a foley in so long I often forget what you guys are dealing with. I was wondering if those of you with SP catheters and indwelling catheters use any clamp system between urinating or do you leave your system open to the drainage bag? I was at a supply place where I get some of my stuff and asked about anti-reflux catheters or non backflow catheters and what they have hasn't changed any in 30 years. The lines to the drainbags can flow back into your bladder if the line is lifted. I have seen some pretty aggresivwe cleaning solutions used on bedbags and legbags. If thesae chemicals flow back into your bladder, you will be very ill very fast. A few years ago I saw a magnetic attachment for catheters that stopped backflow and was used to train the bladder by holding back urine flow until pressure forced the magnets open. Can't find it anymore. For those of you that don't know to do it, clamp your catheter shut if your being moved around. The stuff in the bag lines can and do cause many infections. Nurses use to be taught this but I have noticed many seem completely unaware of the practice, in fact, I met a nurse who had never seen a condom cath. When lying still be certain that your catheter has a positive flow. (draining away from you). The best way to clamp it is to place the clamp device you choose beyond the water jacketet part of the foley near the bag line. Don't forget to unclamp it when your done rolling and moving the bag. Hope that helps someone, john Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
Re: [QUAD-L] controlling backflow
I have ALWAYS had an indwelling foley and ALWAYS keep the clamps shut on both my leg bags and my night bags. My day bags also have an anti-reflux near the top so that urine cannot flow backwards into the tube. Say, for example if I were doing range of motion, etc.. I only use my night bags overnight and everything is going downhill. After it is cleaned out in the morning I have learned from rehab and other medical experience that it is better to have a closed system rather than an open one. An open one always gives bacteria the opportunity to get in the bag and I obviously do not want that because that is what cleaning it out with a bleach/water combination does in the first place! Yes, I always make sure that the flow is downwards. I can tell anyway. If something is kinked or my overnight drainage bag is not looped level before draining downhill my body lets me know RIGHT AWAY. I have never had any problems like you described however during those times when it has been kinked off or not level and going downhill. Closed systems, closed systems, closed systems! LOL Lori Michaelson C4/5 complete quad, 28 years post Tucson, AZ On 10/10/07, John S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't used a foley in so long I often forget what you guys are dealing with. I was wondering if those of you with SP catheters and indwelling catheters use any clamp system between urinating or do you leave your system open to the drainage bag? I was at a supply place where I get some of my stuff and asked about anti-reflux catheters or non backflow catheters and what they have hasn't changed any in 30 years. The lines to the drainbags can flow back into your bladder if the line is lifted. I have seen some pretty aggresivwe cleaning solutions used on bedbags and legbags. If thesae chemicals flow back into your bladder, you will be very ill very fast. A few years ago I saw a magnetic attachment for catheters that stopped backflow and was used to train the bladder by holding back urine flow until pressure forced the magnets open. Can't find it anymore. For those of you that don't know to do it, clamp your catheter shut if your being moved around. The stuff in the bag lines can and do cause many infections. Nurses use to be taught this but I have noticed many seem completely unaware of the practice, in fact, I met a nurse who had never seen a condom cath. When lying still be certain that your catheter has a positive flow. (draining away from you). The best way to clamp it is to place the clamp device you choose beyond the water jacketet part of the foley near the bag line. Don't forget to unclamp it when your done rolling and moving the bag. Hope that helps someone, john
