[Quantum Owners] Re: Ignition off, engine running - not over-run!

[Dave English]

Hi Jim.

Nope, no injection, it's an '86 XR2 under the bonnet so a twin choke Weber 
and breakerless ignition do the job.
I've been looking at the book and I've just found that it has an ignition 
relay, better check that out too.
Tomorrow I'll run it again in 'fault mode' and see if my ignition isolator 
switch stops the engine (it grounds the line between the coil and the tacho)
Better check the fuel shut off valve (anti run-on valve) too, turning off 
the ignition should shut of the idle fuel supply - in which case, where is 
it getting the fuel from?
Don't you just love the way these little problems spread out!

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

['Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group]

Thanks Jim

 

Any idea what part number the short arm is? 

 

I have found on with part number 88AU7515AA, are you able to identify this?

 

Chris

 

 

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jim Hearne
Sent: 06 September 2018 22:05
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

I thought i had mentioned this in a earlier reply but maybe i didn't.

 

There were 2 lengths of clutch release lever used that match up with the 2 
cable holes in the gearbox that you've seen.

As you say, the shorter level will give you more movement on the release 
bearing for the same cable movement but at the expense of a heavier pedal.

I'm not really sure why there were 2 lengths but i've always used the short 
lever.

I guess it's possible that the long lever was for the low lift bearing which 
needed less movement.

 

As has been mentioned, the lever can shear off where it is welded to the shaft, 
also the bolt can shear off where the release bearing bracket is attached 
inside the gearbox/

 

The later gearboxes had a different lever arrangment which attached to a 
separate shaft via splines and a pinch bolt.

 

Jim

 

Jim



On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 8:29:22 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:

Martin

 

I hear what you are saying about the Quadrant, I want to ensure no easy fixes 
are left untried.

 

Unfortunately it is too late to make more checks as the engine/gearbox are out 
again. However I can confirm he clutch pedal was going to the floor. Actually I 
was hitting the Fiberglass bulkhead as I removed all the carpet and sound 
deadening from behind the pedal just to eliminate that concern.

 

My other thought is the gearbox has two holes for the clutch cable to pass 
through. I am starting to wonder if I can use the other hole which means tha 
cable will pull on the release arm nearer to the shaft so I get more degrees of 
turn for a given movement of the clutch pedal. I know this will lead to a 
heavier clutch pedal, I need to find something that will work. This would need 
a different, shorter, arm of some sort of mod to the existing one.

 

While the gear linkage UJ is a little stiff. I had no problem selecting gears 
before taking the engine out and I can select gears easily when the engine 
isn’t running. So definitely the clutch is dragging even when the clutch pedal 
is fully depressed.

 

Chris

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com  
] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
Sent: 06 September 2018 13:37
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hmm - Your thought that the thrust bearing may have been pressing (when it 
shouldn't) sounds correct. The movement of the cable will only be 10% more with 
the 55mm quadrant - Is it possible to check how much cable is pulled when the 
clutch is fully depressed, in order to get an idea whether the arm will nearly 
reach the limit (ie hit casing)?  Does the pedal hit the floor, or could the 
arm move more if the pedal was able to move more (ie bigger quadrant will help 
by 10%) if that makes sense.  Just trying to get an idea of the full 
picture... All knowledge gained before tackling the job is probably 
worthwhile. I went round in circles with replacing quadrant/cable until I 
realised the issue must be the clutch (also had the gearchange linkage in bits, 
and although that wasn't the root of the problem it was too tight)

Martin

- Original Message - 

From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
  

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 1:16 PM

Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Marin

 

No slack at the  gearbox or pedal end when depressing the clutch

 

Chris

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
Sent: 05 September 2018 22:09
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hi Chris,

If I recall correctly the Escort quadrant is the 55mm black one. With an 
observer, is it possible to see if the arm starts moving when the pedal is 
depressed, or if there is a delay indicating slack being taken up. Could also 
'twang' the cable at the arm to guage if there is any slack.

Martin

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From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
  

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 8:57 PM

[Quantum Owners] Re: Ignition off, engine running - not over-run!

[Jim Hearne]

Has the car got an injection engine ?

Jim


On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 8:56:51 PM UTC+1, Dave English wrote:
>
> Okay all, here's a good one to work out.
>
> Last night I went to my model aircraft club meeting. headlights were 
> needed on the way. When I parked, instead of shutting everything down then 
> turning off the engine, I turned the engine off first (I had forgotten 
> about the lights). I had removed the key and was about to get out before I 
> realised the engine was still running.
> I turned the headlights off and the engine stopped. After making sure he 
> engine would start again I ignored it until I got home.
> Back home I could reproduce the fault repeatedly.
> With the engine running and the headlights on, turning off the ignition 
> did not stop the engine, it wasn't run-on, it was running properly.
> Alternator and oil lights came on, but a bit on the dim side. When I turn 
> the headlights off, even to side lights, the engine stops normally.
> Now you've all stopped laughing, (I had a bit of a giggle about it), I 
> know it's most probably an earth fault somewhere, I've yet to go through 
> the wiring diagrams, but if anyone's had anything similar, a starting point 
> would be appreciated.
> At the moment I'll start with the main engine bonding lead and work out 
> from there.
>
> Regards
> Dave English
> Q2-009
>
>
>

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

[Jim Hearne]

I thought i had mentioned this in a earlier reply but maybe i didn't.

There were 2 lengths of clutch release lever used that match up with the 2 
cable holes in the gearbox that you've seen.
As you say, the shorter level will give you more movement on the release 
bearing for the same cable movement but at the expense of a heavier pedal.

I'm not really sure why there were 2 lengths but i've always used the short 
lever.
I guess it's possible that the long lever was for the low lift bearing 
which needed less movement.

As has been mentioned, the lever can shear off where it is welded to the 
shaft, also the bolt can shear off where the release bearing bracket is 
attached inside the gearbox/

The later gearboxes had a different lever arrangment which attached to a 
separate shaft via splines and a pinch bolt.

Jim

Jim


On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 8:29:22 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote:
>
> Martin
>
>  
>
> I hear what you are saying about the Quadrant, I want to ensure no easy 
> fixes are left untried.
>
>  
>
> Unfortunately it is too late to make more checks as the engine/gearbox are 
> out again. However I can confirm he clutch pedal was going to the floor. 
> Actually I was hitting the Fiberglass bulkhead as I removed all the carpet 
> and sound deadening from behind the pedal just to eliminate that concern.
>
>  
>
> My other thought is the gearbox has two holes for the clutch cable to pass 
> through. I am starting to wonder if I can use the other hole which means 
> tha cable will pull on the release arm nearer to the shaft so I get more 
> degrees of turn for a given movement of the clutch pedal. I know this will 
> lead to a heavier clutch pedal, I need to find something that will work. 
> This would need a different, shorter, arm of some sort of mod to the 
> existing one.
>
>  
>
> While the gear linkage UJ is a little stiff. I had no problem selecting 
> gears before taking the engine out and I can select gears easily when the 
> engine isn’t running. So definitely the clutch is dragging even when the 
> clutch pedal is fully depressed.
>
>  
>
> Chris
>
>  
>
> *From:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> quantumowners@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Susan and Martin Scott
> *Sent:* 06 September 2018 13:37
> *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
>
>  
>
> Hmm - Your thought that the thrust bearing may have been pressing (when it 
> shouldn't) sounds correct. The movement of the cable will only be 10% more 
> with the 55mm quadrant - Is it possible to check how much cable is pulled 
> when the clutch is fully depressed, in order to get an idea whether the arm 
> will nearly reach the limit (ie hit casing)?  Does the pedal hit the floor, 
> or could the arm move more if the pedal was able to move more (ie bigger 
> quadrant will help by 10%) if that makes sense.  Just trying to get an idea 
> of the full picture... All knowledge gained before tackling the job is 
> probably worthwhile. I went round in circles with replacing quadrant/cable 
> until I realised the issue must be the clutch (also had the gearchange 
> linkage in bits, and although that wasn't the root of the problem it was 
> too tight)
>
> Martin
>
> - Original Message - 
>
> *From:* 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
>  
>
> *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2018 1:16 PM
>
> *Subject:* RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
>
>  
>
> Marin
>
>  
>
> No slack at the  gearbox or pedal end when depressing the clutch
>
>  
>
> Chris
>
>  
>
> *From:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com ] *On 
> Behalf Of *Susan and Martin Scott
> *Sent:* 05 September 2018 22:09
> *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
>
>  
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> If I recall correctly the Escort quadrant is the 55mm black one. With an 
> observer, is it possible to see if the arm starts moving when the pedal is 
> depressed, or if there is a delay indicating slack being taken up. Could 
> also 'twang' the cable at the arm to guage if there is any slack.
>
> Martin
>
> - Original Message - 
>
> *From:* 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
>  
>
> *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 05, 2018 8:57 PM
>
> *Subject:* RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
>
>  
>
> Dave
>
>  
>
> The car already had an escort quadrant fitted. 
>
>  
>
> Martin
>
>  
>
> I refitted the pedal box and fully depressed the clutch. The is still 
> quite a bit of travel on the release arm. So looks like there is an issue 
> with the adjuster and or cable.
>
>  
>
> Regards
>
>  
>
> Chris
>
>  
>
> *From:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com ] *On 
> Behalf Of *Dave English
> *Sent:* 04 September 2018 18:11
> 

[Quantum Owners] Ignition off, engine running - not over-run!

[Dave English]

Okay all, here's a good one to work out.

Last night I went to my model aircraft club meeting. headlights were needed 
on the way. When I parked, instead of shutting everything down then turning 
off the engine, I turned the engine off first (I had forgotten about the 
lights). I had removed the key and was about to get out before I realised 
the engine was still running.
I turned the headlights off and the engine stopped. After making sure he 
engine would start again I ignored it until I got home.
Back home I could reproduce the fault repeatedly.
With the engine running and the headlights on, turning off the ignition did 
not stop the engine, it wasn't run-on, it was running properly.
Alternator and oil lights came on, but a bit on the dim side. When I turn 
the headlights off, even to side lights, the engine stops normally.
Now you've all stopped laughing, (I had a bit of a giggle about it), I know 
it's most probably an earth fault somewhere, I've yet to go through the 
wiring diagrams, but if anyone's had anything similar, a starting point 
would be appreciated.
At the moment I'll start with the main engine bonding lead and work out 
from there.

Regards
Dave English
Q2-009


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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

['Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group]

Martin

 

I hear what you are saying about the Quadrant, I want to ensure no easy fixes 
are left untried.

 

Unfortunately it is too late to make more checks as the engine/gearbox are out 
again. However I can confirm he clutch pedal was going to the floor. Actually I 
was hitting the Fiberglass bulkhead as I removed all the carpet and sound 
deadening from behind the pedal just to eliminate that concern.

 

My other thought is the gearbox has two holes for the clutch cable to pass 
through. I am starting to wonder if I can use the other hole which means tha 
cable will pull on the release arm nearer to the shaft so I get more degrees of 
turn for a given movement of the clutch pedal. I know this will lead to a 
heavier clutch pedal, I need to find something that will work. This would need 
a different, shorter, arm of some sort of mod to the existing one.

 

While the gear linkage UJ is a little stiff. I had no problem selecting gears 
before taking the engine out and I can select gears easily when the engine 
isn’t running. So definitely the clutch is dragging even when the clutch pedal 
is fully depressed.

 

Chris

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
Sent: 06 September 2018 13:37
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hmm - Your thought that the thrust bearing may have been pressing (when it 
shouldn't) sounds correct. The movement of the cable will only be 10% more with 
the 55mm quadrant - Is it possible to check how much cable is pulled when the 
clutch is fully depressed, in order to get an idea whether the arm will nearly 
reach the limit (ie hit casing)?  Does the pedal hit the floor, or could the 
arm move more if the pedal was able to move more (ie bigger quadrant will help 
by 10%) if that makes sense.  Just trying to get an idea of the full 
picture... All knowledge gained before tackling the job is probably 
worthwhile. I went round in circles with replacing quadrant/cable until I 
realised the issue must be the clutch (also had the gearchange linkage in bits, 
and although that wasn't the root of the problem it was too tight)

Martin

- Original Message - 

From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
  

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 1:16 PM

Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Marin

 

No slack at the  gearbox or pedal end when depressing the clutch

 

Chris

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
Sent: 05 September 2018 22:09
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hi Chris,

If I recall correctly the Escort quadrant is the 55mm black one. With an 
observer, is it possible to see if the arm starts moving when the pedal is 
depressed, or if there is a delay indicating slack being taken up. Could also 
'twang' the cable at the arm to guage if there is any slack.

Martin

- Original Message - 

From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
  

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 8:57 PM

Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Dave

 

The car already had an escort quadrant fitted. 

 

Martin

 

I refitted the pedal box and fully depressed the clutch. The is still quite a 
bit of travel on the release arm. So looks like there is an issue with the 
adjuster and or cable.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave English
Sent: 04 September 2018 18:11
To: Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hi Chris

 

I had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My fix 
was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and 
increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 
Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't 
think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The 
bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue.

 

Regards

 

Dave English

Q2-009

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

['Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group]

Hi Mark

 

There was something in the back of mind about this, but I don’t have access to 
a later manual. Andy kindly lent me Lady Q’s manual, but it is a First Edition. 
If you can have a look I would be very greatful.

 

Chris

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Mark
Sent: 06 September 2018 16:33
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Chris

 

For reference the later build manual that came with my dad's car suggested a 
mod to the pedal box to do with the pawl release that might help. Can't be 
undone though, as involves cutting about 9mm off the release and subsequent 
stop. 

Haven't got the details at hand, but can sort at the weekend if you want.

 

I have similar set-up and issue to that which Dave E has, where the bite point 
is very close to the floor. Which can be annoying at times, but you get used to 
it. I have messed about with the set-up and components but not achieved much.

 

Mark

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[Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

['Jamest142' via Quantum Owners Group]

Hi

This won't help, but Q2-002 has always had a low clutch bite, so I don't 
know if it is a 'feature' of the early Quantums.  It does not drag or creep 
though.  I can have a look for the build manual if you want to see if it 
has any modifications?

Best regards
James T
www.bostin.photography
Q2-002

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

[Mark]

Chris

For reference the later build manual that came with my dad's car suggested 
a mod to the pedal box to do with the pawl release that might help. Can't 
be undone though, as involves cutting about 9mm off the release and 
subsequent stop. 
Haven't got the details at hand, but can sort at the weekend if you want.

I have similar set-up and issue to that which Dave E has, where the bite 
point is very close to the floor. Which can be annoying at times, but you 
get used to it. I have messed about with the set-up and components but not 
achieved much.

Mark

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

[andyheaton64]

Okay i will still pop over. I have a couple of other ideas but need to see the 
car. Lady Q was an early 2 +2 it'll be a good comparison with memory of the 
build. We can see if it will work for you.


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 Original message From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners 
Group  Date: 06/09/2018  13:14  (GMT+00:00) To: 
quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed 
with a 2+2 clutch problem 
Thanks Andy I’m becoming reasonably sure that there isn’t enough travel in the 
clutch pedal to properly operate the clutch release arm. I suspect that someone 
previously managed to get the lever further back meaning that the leaver was 
pressing on the thrust bearing was permenantely (like someone riding the 
clutch). I have ordered a 55mm Escort quadrant, but won’t be here for Sunday. I 
will pull the engine back out to double check the clutch parts and the release 
arm for any defects. Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of andyheaton64
Sent: 05 September 2018 21:23
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem  Chris 
I will be over around 2pm on Sunday after work  Regards AndySent from my 
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Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group  Date: 
05/09/2018 20:57 (GMT+00:00) To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: 
[Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem  Dave The car 
already had an escort quadrant fitted.  Martin I refitted the pedal box and 
fully depressed the clutch. The is still quite a bit of travel on the release 
arm. So looks like there is an issue with the adjuster and or cable. Regards 
Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave English
Sent: 04 September 2018 18:11
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris I 
had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My fix 
was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and 
increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 
Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't 
think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The 
bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue. Regards Dave 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

[Susan and Martin Scott]

Hmm - Your thought that the thrust bearing may have been pressing (when it 
shouldn't) sounds correct. The movement of the cable will only be 10% more with 
the 55mm quadrant - Is it possible to check how much cable is pulled when the 
clutch is fully depressed, in order to get an idea whether the arm will nearly 
reach the limit (ie hit casing)?  Does the pedal hit the floor, or could the 
arm move more if the pedal was able to move more (ie bigger quadrant will help 
by 10%) if that makes sense.  Just trying to get an idea of the full 
picture... All knowledge gained before tackling the job is probably 
worthwhile. I went round in circles with replacing quadrant/cable until I 
realised the issue must be the clutch (also had the gearchange linkage in bits, 
and although that wasn't the root of the problem it was too tight)
Martin
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  From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
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  Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 1:16 PM
  Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem


  Marin

   

  No slack at the  gearbox or pedal end when depressing the clutch

   

  Chris

   

  From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
  Sent: 05 September 2018 22:09
  To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

   

  Hi Chris,

  If I recall correctly the Escort quadrant is the 55mm black one. With an 
observer, is it possible to see if the arm starts moving when the pedal is 
depressed, or if there is a delay indicating slack being taken up. Could also 
'twang' the cable at the arm to guage if there is any slack.

  Martin

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From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 8:57 PM

Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Dave

 

The car already had an escort quadrant fitted. 

 

Martin

 

I refitted the pedal box and fully depressed the clutch. The is still quite 
a bit of travel on the release arm. So looks like there is an issue with the 
adjuster and or cable.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

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[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave English
Sent: 04 September 2018 18:11
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hi Chris

 

I had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My 
fix was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and 
increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 
Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't 
think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The 
bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue.

 

Regards

 

Dave English

Q2-009

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

['Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group]

Marin

 

No slack at the  gearbox or pedal end when depressing the clutch

 

Chris

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott
Sent: 05 September 2018 22:09
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hi Chris,

If I recall correctly the Escort quadrant is the 55mm black one. With an 
observer, is it possible to see if the arm starts moving when the pedal is 
depressed, or if there is a delay indicating slack being taken up. Could also 
'twang' the cable at the arm to guage if there is any slack.

Martin

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From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group 
  

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 8:57 PM

Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Dave

 

The car already had an escort quadrant fitted. 

 

Martin

 

I refitted the pedal box and fully depressed the clutch. The is still quite a 
bit of travel on the release arm. So looks like there is an issue with the 
adjuster and or cable.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

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[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave English
Sent: 04 September 2018 18:11
To: Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hi Chris

 

I had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My fix 
was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and 
increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 
Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't 
think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The 
bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue.

 

Regards

 

Dave English

Q2-009

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

['Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group]

Thanks Andy

 

I’m becoming reasonably sure that there isn’t enough travel in the clutch pedal 
to properly operate the clutch release arm. I suspect that someone previously 
managed to get the lever further back meaning that the leaver was pressing on 
the thrust bearing was permenantely (like someone riding the clutch). I have 
ordered a 55mm Escort quadrant, but won’t be here for Sunday.

 

I will pull the engine back out to double check the clutch parts and the 
release arm for any defects.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com [mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of andyheaton64
Sent: 05 September 2018 21:23
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

 Chris I will be over around 2pm on Sunday after work 

 

Regards Andy 

 

 

 

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From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> > 

Date: 05/09/2018 20:57 (GMT+00:00) 

To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com   

Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem 

 

Dave

 

The car already had an escort quadrant fitted. 

 

Martin

 

I refitted the pedal box and fully depressed the clutch. The is still quite a 
bit of travel on the release arm. So looks like there is an issue with the 
adjuster and or cable.

 

Regards

 

Chris

 

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[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave English
Sent: 04 September 2018 18:11
To: Quantum Owners Group mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

 

Hi Chris

 

I had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My fix 
was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and 
increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 
Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't 
think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The 
bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue.

 

Regards

 

Dave English

Q2-009

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RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem

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 Chris I will be over around 2pm on Sunday after work 
Regards Andy 


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 Original message From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners 
Group  Date: 05/09/2018  20:57  (GMT+00:00) To: 
quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed 
with a 2+2 clutch problem 
Dave The car already had an escort quadrant fitted.  Martin I refitted the 
pedal box and fully depressed the clutch. The is still quite a bit of travel on 
the release arm. So looks like there is an issue with the adjuster and or 
cable. Regards Chris From: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:quantumowners@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave English
Sent: 04 September 2018 18:11
To: Quantum Owners Group 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris I 
had a similar problem for years, the clutch bite point being too low. My fix 
was to modify the white quadrant to increase the radius to the cable and 
increase the amount the cable moved. Eventually I fitted a quadrant from a Mk3 
Escort (81-86), Ford part number 78GB7L583AC. This was coloured black (I don't 
think that means much). This had a larger radius and solved the problem. The 
bite point is still on the low side but doesn't create an issue. Regards Dave 
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