Re: [qubes-users] How to install Maple in a Fedora-30 template in Qubes OS R4.0 ?

2020-11-13 Thread unman 
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 05:35:56AM -0800, 'M' via qubes-users wrote:
> 
> Can I then open a terminal and view the script-file in nano and try to see 
> if it installs a package or place data anywhere else to determine if it's 
> possible to only install it in a AppVM, or is it possible that it isn't 
> written in the installer script that it puts data somewhere else ?
> 

Yes - example - Matlab has an installer file that gives you the option
to choose destination. If /opt then it has to go in TemplateVM; but if
you choose somewhere in /home/user you can install in to an AppVM,
since *that* will persist across reboots.
The choice there comes as option in install process.
You quite likely *will* be able to see this in the script.

Since I'm just a bodger at heart, I would go ahead and run the script in
a Template based qube, and see what happens. If you get the option well
and good; if not you've learnt something in exchange for a few
minutes of your time.
Doing this will *also* allow you to see what packages you may
additionally need to install, so that's a bonus too.

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Re: [qubes-users] How to install Maple in a Fedora-30 template in Qubes OS R4.0 ?

2020-11-13 Thread 'M' via qubes-users 

Can I then open a terminal and view the script-file in nano and try to see 
if it installs a package or place data anywhere else to determine if it's 
possible to only install it in a AppVM, or is it possible that it isn't 
written in the installer script that it puts data somewhere else ?

fredag den 13. november 2020 kl. 14.14.33 UTC+1 skrev Effie ML:

> The difference is, if the install script puts data into /home /usr/local 
> or /rw. If it puts data into anywhere else (e.g. if it installs a package) 
> then it can only be in a Template.
> On 11/13/20 2:07 PM, 'M' via qubes-users wrote:
>
> What makes the difference between if an application can and cannot be 
> installed only in a AppVM ?
>
> fredag den 13. november 2020 kl. 13.36.50 UTC+1 skrev Effie ML:
>
>> On 11/13/20 1:05 PM, 'M' via qubes-users wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for your advices.
>>
>> In case you would like to know, here is a description of the application 
>> called "Maple": https://maplesoft.com/products/Maple/ and 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple
>>
>> Regarding the "Fedora-30 template", if it has ended it's life long time 
>> ago, then why is it still the template version in Qubes R4.0.3 or is it 
>> just the shown name of the template in the Qubes Applicatons menu ?
>>
>> Because Qubes ISOs are offline (the reason they are so big) and are 
>> created manually.
>>
>> There is work on R4.0.4 which has Fedora 32, however it might be a few 
>> days before it gets released
>>
>>
>> Do I understand you correctly "unman", that I can choose to either 
>> install the application in a template or just in a AppVM, and if so how do 
>> I only install it in a AppVM ?
>>
>> It depends on the application. We don't know it.
>>
>> I know if you are using Snap (and maybe appimage or flatpak) you can 
>> install in an AppVM.
>>
>> tirsdag den 10. november 2020 kl. 01.49.01 UTC+1 skrev unman:
>>
>> Advising that you are leaking language, and therefore possibly country.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 07:21:25PM +, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote: 
>>> > 'M' via qubes-users: 
>>> > > I have received this file from a administrator at my workplace: 
>>> > > "Maple2020.1LinuxX64Installer.run" which I have downloaded to my 
>>> work 
>>> > > domain. 
>>> > > 
>>> > > My question is then: How can I install Maple in a Fedora-30 template 
>>> in 
>>> > > Qubes OS R4.0. ... ? 
>>> > > 
>>> > Don't know Maple specifically, but if it's like most packages, you 
>>> qvm-copy 
>>> > it to the template, then install it there. Be aware it will then be 
>>> > "installed" in all AppVMs based on that template. 
>>> > 
>>>
>>> If you're looking for specific advice on how to install it, the first 
>>> thing to do is to check what *sort* of file it is. You can do this using 
>>> the `file` command. 
>>> But from the "run" suffix, I'm guessing it's an installer script. You 
>>> would need to check that it is executable by running `ls -l`, or make it 
>>> so using `chmod +x` 
>>>
>>> I don't know Maple: you may or may not be able to install it in a 
>>> template. If it is intended to be installed in the home directory, then 
>>> you should run it in /etc/skel in the template and install it there. 
>>> Then it will appear in the /home/user directory in qubes created from 
>>> that template. 
>>> Otherwise install it in the home directory in a qube. You can always 
>>> clone that to other qubes. 
>>>
>>> When you've determined the best approach, please document it here so 
>>> other users can benefit from your experience. 
>>>
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Re: [qubes-users] How to install Maple in a Fedora-30 template in Qubes OS R4.0 ?

2020-11-13 Thread Effie ML 
The difference is, if the install script puts data into /home /usr/local 
or /rw. If it puts data into anywhere else (e.g. if it installs a 
package) then it can only be in a Template.

On 11/13/20 2:07 PM, 'M' via qubes-users wrote:
What makes the difference between if an application can and cannot be 
installed only in a AppVM ?


fredag den 13. november 2020 kl. 13.36.50 UTC+1 skrev Effie ML:

On 11/13/20 1:05 PM, 'M' via qubes-users wrote:

Thank you for your advices.

In case you would like to know, here is a description of the
application called "Maple": https://maplesoft.com/products/Maple/
 and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple


Regarding the "Fedora-30 template", if it has ended it's life
long time ago, then why is it still the template version in Qubes
R4.0.3 or is it just the shown name of the template in the Qubes
Applicatons menu ?


Because Qubes ISOs are offline (the reason they are so big) and
are created manually.

There is work on R4.0.4 which has Fedora 32, however it might be a
few days before it gets released



Do I understand you correctly "unman", that I can choose to
either install the application in a template or just in a AppVM,
and if so how do I only install it in a AppVM ?


It depends on the application. We don't know it.

I know if you are using Snap (and maybe appimage or flatpak) you
can install in an AppVM.


tirsdag den 10. november 2020 kl. 01.49.01 UTC+1 skrev unman:

Advising that you are leaking language, and therefore possibly
country.


On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 07:21:25PM +, 'awokd' via
qubes-users wrote:
> 'M' via qubes-users:
> > I have received this file from a administrator at my
workplace:
> > "Maple2020.1LinuxX64Installer.run" which I have
downloaded to my work
> > domain.
> >
> > My question is then: How can I install Maple in a
Fedora-30 template in
> > Qubes OS R4.0. ... ?
> >
> Don't know Maple specifically, but if it's like most
packages, you qvm-copy
> it to the template, then install it there. Be aware it will
then be
> "installed" in all AppVMs based on that template.
>

If you're looking for specific advice on how to install it,
the first
thing to do is to check what *sort* of file it is. You can do
this using
the `file` command.
But from the "run" suffix, I'm guessing it's an installer
script. You
would need to check that it is executable by running `ls -l`,
or make it
so using `chmod +x`

I don't know Maple: you may or may not be able to install it
in a
template. If it is intended to be installed in the home
directory, then
you should run it in /etc/skel in the template and install it
there.
Then it will appear in the /home/user directory in qubes
created from
that template.
Otherwise install it in the home directory in a qube. You can
always
clone that to other qubes.

When you've determined the best approach, please document it
here so
other users can benefit from your experience.

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Re: [qubes-users] How to install Maple in a Fedora-30 template in Qubes OS R4.0 ?

2020-11-13 Thread 'M' via qubes-users 
What makes the difference between if an application can and cannot be 
installed only in a AppVM ?

fredag den 13. november 2020 kl. 13.36.50 UTC+1 skrev Effie ML:

> On 11/13/20 1:05 PM, 'M' via qubes-users wrote:
>
> Thank you for your advices.
>
> In case you would like to know, here is a description of the application 
> called "Maple": https://maplesoft.com/products/Maple/ and 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple
>
> Regarding the "Fedora-30 template", if it has ended it's life long time 
> ago, then why is it still the template version in Qubes R4.0.3 or is it 
> just the shown name of the template in the Qubes Applicatons menu ?
>
> Because Qubes ISOs are offline (the reason they are so big) and are 
> created manually.
>
> There is work on R4.0.4 which has Fedora 32, however it might be a few 
> days before it gets released
>
>
> Do I understand you correctly "unman", that I can choose to either install 
> the application in a template or just in a AppVM, and if so how do I only 
> install it in a AppVM ?
>
> It depends on the application. We don't know it.
>
> I know if you are using Snap (and maybe appimage or flatpak) you can 
> install in an AppVM.
>
> tirsdag den 10. november 2020 kl. 01.49.01 UTC+1 skrev unman:
>
> Advising that you are leaking language, and therefore possibly country.
>
> On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 07:21:25PM +, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote: 
>> > 'M' via qubes-users: 
>> > > I have received this file from a administrator at my workplace: 
>> > > "Maple2020.1LinuxX64Installer.run" which I have downloaded to my work 
>> > > domain. 
>> > > 
>> > > My question is then: How can I install Maple in a Fedora-30 template 
>> in 
>> > > Qubes OS R4.0. ... ? 
>> > > 
>> > Don't know Maple specifically, but if it's like most packages, you 
>> qvm-copy 
>> > it to the template, then install it there. Be aware it will then be 
>> > "installed" in all AppVMs based on that template. 
>> > 
>>
>> If you're looking for specific advice on how to install it, the first 
>> thing to do is to check what *sort* of file it is. You can do this using 
>> the `file` command. 
>> But from the "run" suffix, I'm guessing it's an installer script. You 
>> would need to check that it is executable by running `ls -l`, or make it 
>> so using `chmod +x` 
>>
>> I don't know Maple: you may or may not be able to install it in a 
>> template. If it is intended to be installed in the home directory, then 
>> you should run it in /etc/skel in the template and install it there. 
>> Then it will appear in the /home/user directory in qubes created from 
>> that template. 
>> Otherwise install it in the home directory in a qube. You can always 
>> clone that to other qubes. 
>>
>> When you've determined the best approach, please document it here so 
>> other users can benefit from your experience. 
>>
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Re: [qubes-users] How to install Maple in a Fedora-30 template in Qubes OS R4.0 ?

2020-11-13 Thread Effie ML 

On 11/13/20 1:05 PM, 'M' via qubes-users wrote:

Thank you for your advices.

In case you would like to know, here is a description of the 
application called "Maple": https://maplesoft.com/products/Maple/ and 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple


Regarding the "Fedora-30 template", if it has ended it's life long 
time ago, then why is it still the template version in Qubes R4.0.3 or 
is it just the shown name of the template in the Qubes Applicatons menu ?


Because Qubes ISOs are offline (the reason they are so big) and are 
created manually.


There is work on R4.0.4 which has Fedora 32, however it might be a few 
days before it gets released




Do I understand you correctly "unman", that I can choose to either 
install the application in a template or just in a AppVM, and if so 
how do I only install it in a AppVM ?


It depends on the application. We don't know it.

I know if you are using Snap (and maybe appimage or flatpak) you can 
install in an AppVM.



tirsdag den 10. november 2020 kl. 01.49.01 UTC+1 skrev unman:

Advising that you are leaking language, and therefore possibly country.


On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 07:21:25PM +, 'awokd' via qubes-users
wrote:
> 'M' via qubes-users:
> > I have received this file from a administrator at my workplace:
> > "Maple2020.1LinuxX64Installer.run" which I have downloaded to
my work
> > domain.
> >
> > My question is then: How can I install Maple in a Fedora-30
template in
> > Qubes OS R4.0. ... ?
> >
> Don't know Maple specifically, but if it's like most packages,
you qvm-copy
> it to the template, then install it there. Be aware it will then be
> "installed" in all AppVMs based on that template.
>

If you're looking for specific advice on how to install it, the first
thing to do is to check what *sort* of file it is. You can do this
using
the `file` command.
But from the "run" suffix, I'm guessing it's an installer script. You
would need to check that it is executable by running `ls -l`, or
make it
so using `chmod +x`

I don't know Maple: you may or may not be able to install it in a
template. If it is intended to be installed in the home directory,
then
you should run it in /etc/skel in the template and install it there.
Then it will appear in the /home/user directory in qubes created from
that template.
Otherwise install it in the home directory in a qube. You can always
clone that to other qubes.

When you've determined the best approach, please document it here so
other users can benefit from your experience.

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Re: [qubes-users] How to install Maple in a Fedora-30 template in Qubes OS R4.0 ?

2020-11-13 Thread 'M' via qubes-users 
Thank you for your advices.

In case you would like to know, here is a description of the application 
called "Maple": https://maplesoft.com/products/Maple/ and 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple

Regarding the "Fedora-30 template", if it has ended it's life long time 
ago, then why is it still the template version in Qubes R4.0.3 or is it 
just the shown name of the template in the Qubes Applicatons menu ?

Do I understand you correctly "unman", that I can choose to either install 
the application in a template or just in a AppVM, and if so how do I only 
install it in a AppVM ?
tirsdag den 10. november 2020 kl. 01.49.01 UTC+1 skrev unman:

> On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 07:21:25PM +, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote:
> > 'M' via qubes-users:
> > > I have received this file from a administrator at my workplace:
> > > "Maple2020.1LinuxX64Installer.run" which I have downloaded to my work
> > > domain.
> > > 
> > > My question is then: How can I install Maple in a Fedora-30 template in
> > > Qubes OS R4.0. ... ?
> > > 
> > Don't know Maple specifically, but if it's like most packages, you 
> qvm-copy
> > it to the template, then install it there. Be aware it will then be
> > "installed" in all AppVMs based on that template.
> > 
>
> If you're looking for specific advice on how to install it, the first
> thing to do is to check what *sort* of file it is. You can do this using
> the `file` command.
> But from the "run" suffix, I'm guessing it's an installer script. You
> would need to check that it is executable by running `ls -l`, or make it
> so using `chmod +x`
>
> I don't know Maple: you may or may not be able to install it in a
> template. If it is intended to be installed in the home directory, then
> you should run it in /etc/skel in the template and install it there.
> Then it will appear in the /home/user directory in qubes created from
> that template.
> Otherwise install it in the home directory in a qube. You can always
> clone that to other qubes.
>
> When you've determined the best approach, please document it here so
> other users can benefit from your experience.
>

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Re: [qubes-users] How to install Maple in a Fedora-30 template in Qubes OS R4.0 ?

2020-11-09 Thread unman 
On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 07:21:25PM +, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote:
> 'M' via qubes-users:
> > I have received this file from a administrator at my workplace:
> > "Maple2020.1LinuxX64Installer.run" which I have downloaded to my work
> > domain.
> > 
> > My question is then: How can I install Maple in a Fedora-30 template in
> > Qubes OS R4.0. ... ?
> > 
> Don't know Maple specifically, but if it's like most packages, you qvm-copy
> it to the template, then install it there. Be aware it will then be
> "installed" in all AppVMs based on that template.
> 

If you're looking for specific advice on how to install it, the first
thing to do is to check what *sort* of file it is. You can do this using
the `file` command.
But from the "run" suffix, I'm guessing it's an installer script. You
would need to check that it is executable by running `ls -l`, or make it
so using `chmod +x`

I don't know Maple: you may or may not be able to install it in a
template. If it is intended to be installed in the home directory, then
you should run it in /etc/skel in the template and install it there.
Then it will appear in the /home/user directory in qubes created from
that template.
Otherwise install it in the home directory in a qube. You can always
clone that to other qubes.

When you've determined the best approach, please document it here so
other users can benefit from your experience.

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Re: [qubes-users] How to install Maple in a Fedora-30 template in Qubes OS R4.0 ?

2020-11-09 Thread Andrew David Wong 

On 11/9/20 8:59 AM, 'M' via qubes-users wrote:

I have received this file from a administrator at my workplace:
"Maple2020.1LinuxX64Installer.run" which I have downloaded to my work
domain.

My question is then: How can I install Maple in a Fedora-30 template in
Qubes OS R4.0. ... ?



Please note that Fedora 30 reached EOL a long time ago:

https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2020/04/30/fedora-31-template-available/

And Fedora 31 is also approaching EOL:

https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2020/10/27/fedora-31-approaching-eol/

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Re: [qubes-users] How to install Maple in a Fedora-30 template in Qubes OS R4.0 ?

2020-11-09 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users 

'M' via qubes-users:

I have received this file from a administrator at my workplace:
"Maple2020.1LinuxX64Installer.run" which I have downloaded to my work
domain.

My question is then: How can I install Maple in a Fedora-30 template in
Qubes OS R4.0. ... ?

Don't know Maple specifically, but if it's like most packages, you 
qvm-copy it to the template, then install it there. Be aware it will 
then be "installed" in all AppVMs based on that template.


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[qubes-users] How to install Maple in a Fedora-30 template in Qubes OS R4.0 ?

2020-11-09 Thread 'M' via qubes-users 
I have received this file from a administrator at my workplace: 
"Maple2020.1LinuxX64Installer.run" which I have downloaded to my work 
domain.

My question is then: How can I install Maple in a Fedora-30 template in 
Qubes OS R4.0. ... ?

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