Re: [qubes-users] Installing software..

2019-06-01 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users

shamaarmarti...@gmail.com:

Gear: Thinkpad 1TB SSD, 32GB, windows 10, 32GB USB flash

Process:
1. Download qubes setup on usb.
2. I chose my 1TB SSD for the installation destination
3. I have to reclaim space even though it’s a new computer fresh out of the box.
4. Setup user creation and configuration.
5. When I try to finish installation it freezes during the user creation part. 
and I have to reset my laptop.


That an unusual place for the installer to freeze. What was the error code?

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[qubes-users] Installing software..

2019-06-01 Thread shamaarmartin96
Gear: Thinkpad 1TB SSD, 32GB, windows 10, 32GB USB flash

Process:
1. Download qubes setup on usb.
2. I chose my 1TB SSD for the installation destination 
3. I have to reclaim space even though it’s a new computer fresh out of the box.
4. Setup user creation and configuration.
5. When I try to finish installation it freezes during the user creation part. 
and I have to reset my laptop.

Problem: I can’t use my original os (windows10) and when I tried to use my os 
on another usb it got fried when I plugged it into the laptop and now I can’t 
use it on any computer. I manage to pull up an error code and it has something 
to due with user creation. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: [qubes-users] Installing software..

2019-03-22 Thread unman
On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 06:00:31PM -0700, deepdarkn...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thank you, 22. Would you recommend installing software through the terminal, 
> or can you use the same procedure - enabling the network - to install 
> software via the software manager?
> 
> I did install Libre Office using your instructions, and it came out perfect. 
> As I had already created an appvm, I just selected the clone as the template, 
> and it worked out fine.
> 
> Would you recommend cloning the whonix template too, for any changes. I am 
> bacailly only adding bookmarks and passwords to whonix.
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Steven 
> 

Dont enable the network.

Use whatever tools you are comfortable with - the Debian templates dont
have a GUI software manager by default but you can install one as you
like.
You can clone the whonix template of course. If you add bookmarks, then
you are reducing the anonymity of the qubes, and subverting the whonix
paradigm. You are free to do this.
Your moniker suggest you may not want to.

Why add passwords? Again, they will link every qube based on the
template. More convenient, of course. (I'm assuming you are talking of
web bookmarks). 

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Re: [qubes-users] Installing software..

2019-03-22 Thread unman
On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 06:07:38AM -0700, 22...@tutamail.com wrote:
> Steven,
> I am going to assume you have created an AppVM i.e. a Qube based on a 
> Template (vs a Stand alone VM). In this scenario you would install any 
> software into the template. 
> 
> Instructions:
> 1) I would suggest you clone your Fedora-29 template so you have a clean 
> template. This is key as installing any 3rd party software is a 
> security/privacy risk, if you screw up you can delete the clone and make a 
> new one from the original trusted/clean template. You do this via a GUI by 
> going to Qubes icon on the top left -> System tools -> Qubes Manager -> 
> Highlight Template in Qubes Manager -> Right click on template -> Clone Qube
> 
> 2) You will need to temporarily allow access to this template to the net. In 
> Qubes Manager highlight cloned template -> right click -> Qubes Settings -> 
> Basic tab -> Networking drop down -> Allow access to your Firewall Qube (Make 
> very sure to return it to "None" when you have finished installing your 
> software
> 
> 3) Install your software into the clone. Qubes icon on the top left -> Go to 
> your cloned template -> Terminal -> enter the install terminal commands, the 
> commands to install libreoffice are:
> 
> sudo dnf install libreoffice
> 
> 4) Shutdown template, change network setting back to "None" on the template, 
> then create your AppVM. You should now see your new software.
> 
> Debian and whonix have slightly different commands in the terminal but the 
> logic is the same.
> 
> Some additional best practices include:
> * Never install anything into Dom0
> * Check the keys to make sure your software is verified
> * Minimize the software you install, make multiple cloned templates and 
> install only the essential software you need. i.e. I have some templates that 
> include libreoffice, Nano, VPN stuff and 1 template that has all
> * Not sure but I don't think your software will update in the template, you 
> might have to periodically re-create the template/software.
> 
> Totally open to feedback and criticism if this direction is wrong or needs 
> clarification...
> 
> Good luck and welocme to Qubes.
> 

The suggestion in (2) is wrong. There are very few situations where you
will need to enable networking in a template , and you should resist this
as much as you can.
haaber has already pointed you to the documentation.

Templates use qubes-rpc to connect to a proxy instead of using
networking. This means that you can use standard package management like
dnf and apt without linking the template to the network.
I'm not a fedora person, but in Debian the advice is generally that you
should use packages, rather than compiling software yourself.
If the software you want isn't packaged, then generally you should
download the source , verify it by whatever means are available, and
then qvm-copy it to the template where you can compile and install.

The advice re cloning the template is sensible: some users don't like
multiple templates. If you do use them then I recommend using a caching
proxy instead of the standard Qubes proxy.

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Re: [qubes-users] Installing software..

2019-03-22 Thread deepdarknode
Thank you, 22. Would you recommend installing software through the terminal, or 
can you use the same procedure - enabling the network - to install software via 
the software manager?

I did install Libre Office using your instructions, and it came out perfect. As 
I had already created an appvm, I just selected the clone as the template, and 
it worked out fine.

Would you recommend cloning the whonix template too, for any changes. I am 
bacailly only adding bookmarks and passwords to whonix.

Many thanks,

Steven 

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Re: [qubes-users] Installing software..

2019-03-22 Thread 22rip
Steven,
I am going to assume you have created an AppVM i.e. a Qube based on a Template 
(vs a Stand alone VM). In this scenario you would install any software into the 
template. 

Instructions:
1) I would suggest you clone your Fedora-29 template so you have a clean 
template. This is key as installing any 3rd party software is a 
security/privacy risk, if you screw up you can delete the clone and make a new 
one from the original trusted/clean template. You do this via a GUI by going to 
Qubes icon on the top left -> System tools -> Qubes Manager -> Highlight 
Template in Qubes Manager -> Right click on template -> Clone Qube

2) You will need to temporarily allow access to this template to the net. In 
Qubes Manager highlight cloned template -> right click -> Qubes Settings -> 
Basic tab -> Networking drop down -> Allow access to your Firewall Qube (Make 
very sure to return it to "None" when you have finished installing your software

3) Install your software into the clone. Qubes icon on the top left -> Go to 
your cloned template -> Terminal -> enter the install terminal commands, the 
commands to install libreoffice are:

sudo dnf install libreoffice

4) Shutdown template, change network setting back to "None" on the template, 
then create your AppVM. You should now see your new software.

Debian and whonix have slightly different commands in the terminal but the 
logic is the same.

Some additional best practices include:
* Never install anything into Dom0
* Check the keys to make sure your software is verified
* Minimize the software you install, make multiple cloned templates and install 
only the essential software you need. i.e. I have some templates that include 
libreoffice, Nano, VPN stuff and 1 template that has all
* Not sure but I don't think your software will update in the template, you 
might have to periodically re-create the template/software.

Totally open to feedback and criticism if this direction is wrong or needs 
clarification...

Good luck and welocme to Qubes.

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Re: [qubes-users] Installing software..

2019-03-21 Thread haaber

Is that through the terminal in dom0 or the template?


if you are more specific, it is easier to answer. I would avoid
installing things in dom0 (only exception: entire template-vms). Other
software is installed in the templateVMs and then (after reboot)
available in the AppVMs based on that template. StandaloneVMs of will
course have software directly installed, as the name "stand alone"
suggests.

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Re: [qubes-users] Installing software..

2019-03-21 Thread Steven Walker
Is that through the terminal in dom0 or the template?

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Re: [qubes-users] Installing software..

2019-03-19 Thread haaber

On 3/20/19 3:59 AM, Steven Walker wrote:

I am still pretty new to Qubes. I have managed to create a new qube, but I want 
to install some software for use with this qube. I have read that it has to be 
installed to the template and not the actual qube. As the template has no 
actual network connection, how do I go about this?

Using 4.0.1, Fedora 29

Any help greatly appeciated.


that is fine, don't worry. The templates (if you have a std install)
will fetch their updates through sys-whonix in a miraculous way (see
here https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/software-update-vm/#updates-proxy ),
even if there is no NetVM for them. Just run dnf update and then dnf
install whatsoever and see what happens :) Simply Enjoy great software.
Bernhard

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[qubes-users] Installing software..

2019-03-19 Thread Steven Walker
I am still pretty new to Qubes. I have managed to create a new qube, but I want 
to install some software for use with this qube. I have read that it has to be 
installed to the template and not the actual qube. As the template has no 
actual network connection, how do I go about this?

Using 4.0.1, Fedora 29

Any help greatly appeciated.

Steve

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