[qubes-users] Re: Is Qubes effected by the Intel kernel memory leaking bug?

2018-01-04 Thread stephenatverdi
On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 12:55:54 UTC+1, stephen...@gmail.com  wrote:
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/
> 
> http://pythonsweetness.tumblr.com/post/169166980422/the-mysterious-case-of-the-linux-page-table
> 
> It seems as if Linux countermeasures will involve a significant rewrite aka. 
> FUCKWIT.
> 
> Is this perhaps why there is no final 4.0 release?

Some news from rootkovska via Twatter:

Re the #Meltdown/#Spectre attacks:
1. Practical impact on Qubes is unclear to us ATM,
2. No advanced info has been shared with us on Xen predisclosure list, so we've 
had no time to evaluate yet,
3. Xen published XSA 254 unexpectedly last night,
4. Xen offers no patches ATM...

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[qubes-users] Re: Is Qubes effected by the Intel kernel memory leaking bug?

2018-01-04 Thread stephenatverdi
On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 12:55:54 UTC+1, stephen...@gmail.com  wrote:
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/
> 
> http://pythonsweetness.tumblr.com/post/169166980422/the-mysterious-case-of-the-linux-page-table
> 
> It seems as if Linux countermeasures will involve a significant rewrite aka. 
> FUCKWIT.
> 
> Is this perhaps why there is no final 4.0 release?

Redhat has now posted speculative execution mitigation patches.  I've no idea 
to what extent they fix all possible Spectre-like side-channel attacks.

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[qubes-users] Re: Is Qubes effected by the Intel kernel memory leaking bug?

2018-01-04 Thread stephenatverdi
On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 12:55:54 UTC+1, stephen...@gmail.com  wrote:
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/
> 
> http://pythonsweetness.tumblr.com/post/169166980422/the-mysterious-case-of-the-linux-page-table
> 
> It seems as if Linux countermeasures will involve a significant rewrite aka. 
> FUCKWIT.
> 
> Is this perhaps why there is no final 4.0 release?

I guess the good news is that this debacle is going to force hardware designers 
and OS developers (including Qubes) to work together on minimising the chances 
chip-level bugs like this.

Also Intel, AMD, ARM & Co. will be 'motivated' to pay attention to hardware 
virtualisation security issues.

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[qubes-users] Re: Is Qubes effected by the Intel kernel memory leaking bug?

2018-01-04 Thread stephenatverdi
On Thursday, 4 January 2018 09:56:44 UTC+1, stephen...@gmail.com  wrote:
> On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 12:55:54 UTC+1, stephen...@gmail.com  wrote:
> > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/
> > 
> > http://pythonsweetness.tumblr.com/post/169166980422/the-mysterious-case-of-the-linux-page-table
> > 
> > It seems as if Linux countermeasures will involve a significant rewrite 
> > aka. FUCKWIT.
> > 
> > Is this perhaps why there is no final 4.0 release?
> 
> There is a Xen fix available here, at least to the Meltdown manifestation to 
> the chip-makers SNAFU:
> 
> https://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-254.html
> 
> This I assume will be in the 4.0 release version of Qubes.
> 
> The best explanation of the field that I can find is here: 
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/04/intel_amd_arm_cpu_vulnerability/
> 
> Oder?

Or at least the Meltdown (= SP3?) parts thereof.  Against Spectre there is no 
known defence, which generally seems to break VM isolation against an attack.

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[qubes-users] Re: Is Qubes effected by the Intel kernel memory leaking bug?

2018-01-04 Thread stephenatverdi
On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 12:55:54 UTC+1, stephen...@gmail.com  wrote:
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/02/intel_cpu_design_flaw/
> 
> http://pythonsweetness.tumblr.com/post/169166980422/the-mysterious-case-of-the-linux-page-table
> 
> It seems as if Linux countermeasures will involve a significant rewrite aka. 
> FUCKWIT.
> 
> Is this perhaps why there is no final 4.0 release?

There is a Xen fix available here, at least to the Meltdown manifestation to 
the chip-makers SNAFU:

https://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-254.html

This I assume will be in the 4.0 release version of Qubes.

The best explanation of the field that I can find is here: 
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/04/intel_amd_arm_cpu_vulnerability/

Oder?

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