Re: [R] Make plots with GNUplot. Have anyone tried that?

2008-03-03 Thread Gustaf Rydevik
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Louise Hoffman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [snip]

   Seriously. Be specific if you have a problem. (read the posting guide). R 
  can
also plot. If you don't like R's plots (which I could not understand) you 
 can
export data and import them to gnuplot. So what?

  Okay, my post was not very good.

  The reason (I think) I need GNUplot, is that I would like to include
  the plots from R in a Latex report, where I would like to have all the
  text and equations in the plots with the same font as used in Latex.

  So when I read about opening and closing dev for making a pdf I
  figured that the plots that R produces are like the once Matlab makes;
  shows what they ought to, nothing more, nothing less.

  So I was wondering if anyone know of an GNUplot friendly format and
  the code that would produce that text file.

  I am new to both R and GNUplot, so I am pure ears if someone knows how
  to make such plots in R.


Hi Louise,


In addition to what Paul Murrell linked to regarding latex fonts, take
a look at demo(plotmath).
I really don't think you have to go outside of R to do what you want.
In addition, if you aim to end up with a latex report I strongly
encourage you to try out ?Sweave. It has certainly helped to
streamline my workflow.

Regards,

Gustaf

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Re: [R] Make plots with GNUplot. Have anyone tried that?

2008-03-03 Thread Martin Maechler
 LH == Louise Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 on Sat, 1 Mar 2008 00:54:56 +0100 writes:

 If you still want to then read ?write.table, that can export your data
 into a spreadsheet-like ascii format which can be used from GNUplot
 easily.

LH Very interesting.

LH So if I e.g. write:
LH ts.sim - arima.sim(list(order = c(1,1,0), ar = 0.7), n = 200)
LH ts.plot(ts.sim)

LH How do I know the names of the rows to put in the data.frame() command?

 Btw, comparing the graphics capabilities of GNUplot and R, it is
 something like a three-wheel bicycle and a spaceship. Guess
 which is which.

LH =) I know that I will most likely spend a lot of time on just making
LH the plots, but I atleast (for now =) ) think it could be fun to try.

if you make them with R, yes.

I wholeheartedly support Gabor's point:

I'd consider GNUplot to be clearly inferior to R -- just talking
about the graphics possibilties and the quality / thoughtfulness
in the high-level plotting.
If you have your data / objects / functions in R,
I'm very strongly convinced that using GNUplot for plotting is 
``the wrong'' approach by almost all definitions of wrong.

Martin Maechler, ETH Zurich

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Re: [R] Make plots with GNUplot. Have anyone tried that?

2008-03-03 Thread Prof Brian Ripley
On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Martin Maechler wrote:

 LH == Louise Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 on Sat, 1 Mar 2008 00:54:56 +0100 writes:

 If you still want to then read ?write.table, that can export your data
 into a spreadsheet-like ascii format which can be used from GNUplot
 easily.

LH Very interesting.

LH So if I e.g. write:
LH ts.sim - arima.sim(list(order = c(1,1,0), ar = 0.7), n = 200)
LH ts.plot(ts.sim)

LH How do I know the names of the rows to put in the data.frame() command?

 Btw, comparing the graphics capabilities of GNUplot and R, it is
 something like a three-wheel bicycle and a spaceship. Guess
 which is which.

LH =) I know that I will most likely spend a lot of time on just making
LH the plots, but I atleast (for now =) ) think it could be fun to try.

 if you make them with R, yes.

 I wholeheartedly support Gabor's point:

 I'd consider GNUplot to be clearly inferior to R -- just talking
 about the graphics possibilties and the quality / thoughtfulness
 in the high-level plotting.
 If you have your data / objects / functions in R,
 I'm very strongly convinced that using GNUplot for plotting is
 ``the wrong'' approach by almost all definitions of wrong.

In a later message Louise mentioned the desire to use TeX fonts for 
annotation, to match a LaTeX document.  Paul Murrell has pointed out his 
and my article in R-News 2006-2 about how to do this.

Louise almost mentioned the 'the gnuplot cvs which have pdfcairo support'. 
Well, R too has development versions, and I was able to do

 par(family=cmr10)
 plot(1:10)

in R-devel and get annotations in Computer Modern on screen, or

 cairo_pdf()
 par(family=cmr10)
 plot(1:10)

and get this on a PDF file.

To do so you would need /usr/share/fonts/mathml/cmr10.ttf installed, at 
least on F8 (part of the mathml-fonts RPM).

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Re: [R] Make plots with GNUplot. Have anyone tried that?

2008-03-03 Thread Greg Snow
The gp.plot function has a type option that can either be 'p' for points
or 'l' for lines, the function is not that complicated, you could easily
add additional options.

I don't know why your code is not creating the pdf file, you could try
plotting to the screen first (don't change the output and terminal),
make sure that the plot is there, then change the output and terminal
and do a replot to see if that works.

Given that, I agree with the others that gnuplot is probably not the
best tool for this.  Others have mentioned how to use cmr and other
fonts within R, or I mentioned the tool for converting a .eps file to a
.pgf file that when input into LaTeX will use the current fonts.

Gnuplot is a fine program for what it was designed for, but as you want
more and more sophisticated statistical plots it will become more and
more frustrating to do them using gnuplot.  Gnuplot was not really
designed as a statistical tool (more a mathematical one).

I once heard that the difference between a mathematician and a
statistician is that one knows the difference between a variable and a
constant and the other one doesn't.  I think the difference between
mathematicians and statisticians can be seen in the response to the mean
value theorem:  the mathematician sees it and says cool, I can compute
averages using integrals, the statistician sees it and says cool, I
can compute integrals using averages.

Hope this helps,

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 -Original Message-
 From: Louise Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 8:48 AM
 To: Greg Snow
 Cc: Gabor Csardi; r-help@r-project.org
 Subject: Re: [R] Make plots with GNUplot. Have anyone tried that?
 
  There is a very basic interface between R and gnuplot in the 
  TeachingDemos package.  Look at the help for gp.plot.
 [snip]
 
 This looks mighty interesting =)
 
 Is it possible to plot with lines (gnuplot syntex) so all 
 the data points are connected?
 
 Also is it possible to make it write the output to a pdf 
 file? (I using the gnuplot cvs which have pdfcairo support)
 
 When I try this, it doesn't write the pdf file. it works with 
 gnuplot cvs.
 
 library(TeachingDemos)
 fuelData-read.table('fuel.csv',header=TRUE, sep=',')
 attach(fuelData)
 gp.open(where='/usr/local/bin/gnuplot')
 gp.send('set terminal pdfcairo font 'cmr10' size 8cm,4.6cm') 
 gp.send('set output '../figures/q1-raw-data-gp.pdf'') 
 gp.send('unset key') gp.send('set xlabel 'rtime'') 
 gp.send('set ylabel 'FPI'') gp.send('set xrange [1979:2005]')
 gp.plot(rtime,fpi)
 gp.send('unset output')
 gp.close()
 

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Re: [R] Make plots with GNUplot. Have anyone tried that?

2008-03-03 Thread Gabor Grothendieck
There was some discussion a while back of an R pgf driver
for latex.  Is anyone working on that?

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Greg Snow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The gp.plot function has a type option that can either be 'p' for points
 or 'l' for lines, the function is not that complicated, you could easily
 add additional options.

 I don't know why your code is not creating the pdf file, you could try
 plotting to the screen first (don't change the output and terminal),
 make sure that the plot is there, then change the output and terminal
 and do a replot to see if that works.

 Given that, I agree with the others that gnuplot is probably not the
 best tool for this.  Others have mentioned how to use cmr and other
 fonts within R, or I mentioned the tool for converting a .eps file to a
 .pgf file that when input into LaTeX will use the current fonts.

 Gnuplot is a fine program for what it was designed for, but as you want
 more and more sophisticated statistical plots it will become more and
 more frustrating to do them using gnuplot.  Gnuplot was not really
 designed as a statistical tool (more a mathematical one).

 I once heard that the difference between a mathematician and a
 statistician is that one knows the difference between a variable and a
 constant and the other one doesn't.  I think the difference between
 mathematicians and statisticians can be seen in the response to the mean
 value theorem:  the mathematician sees it and says cool, I can compute
 averages using integrals, the statistician sees it and says cool, I
 can compute integrals using averages.

 Hope this helps,

 --
 Gregory (Greg) L. Snow Ph.D.
 Statistical Data Center
 Intermountain Healthcare
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (801) 408-8111



  -Original Message-
  From: Louise Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 8:48 AM
  To: Greg Snow
  Cc: Gabor Csardi; r-help@r-project.org
  Subject: Re: [R] Make plots with GNUplot. Have anyone tried that?
 

   There is a very basic interface between R and gnuplot in the
   TeachingDemos package.  Look at the help for gp.plot.
  [snip]
 
  This looks mighty interesting =)
 
  Is it possible to plot with lines (gnuplot syntex) so all
  the data points are connected?
 
  Also is it possible to make it write the output to a pdf
  file? (I using the gnuplot cvs which have pdfcairo support)
 
  When I try this, it doesn't write the pdf file. it works with
  gnuplot cvs.
 
  library(TeachingDemos)
  fuelData-read.table('fuel.csv',header=TRUE, sep=',')
  attach(fuelData)
  gp.open(where='/usr/local/bin/gnuplot')
  gp.send('set terminal pdfcairo font 'cmr10' size 8cm,4.6cm')
  gp.send('set output '../figures/q1-raw-data-gp.pdf'')
  gp.send('unset key') gp.send('set xlabel 'rtime'')
  gp.send('set ylabel 'FPI'') gp.send('set xrange [1979:2005]')
  gp.plot(rtime,fpi)
  gp.send('unset output')
  gp.close()
 

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Re: [R] Make plots with GNUplot. Have anyone tried that?

2008-03-02 Thread Louise Hoffman
 There is a very basic interface between R and gnuplot in the TeachingDemos
 package.  Look at the help for gp.plot.
[snip]

This looks mighty interesting =)

Is it possible to plot with lines (gnuplot syntex) so all the data
points are connected?

Also is it possible to make it write the output to a pdf file? (I
using the gnuplot cvs which have pdfcairo support)

When I try this, it doesn't write the pdf file. it works with gnuplot cvs.

library(TeachingDemos)
fuelData-read.table('fuel.csv',header=TRUE, sep=',')
attach(fuelData)
gp.open(where='/usr/local/bin/gnuplot')
gp.send('set terminal pdfcairo font 'cmr10' size 8cm,4.6cm')
gp.send('set output '../figures/q1-raw-data-gp.pdf'')
gp.send('unset key')
gp.send('set xlabel 'rtime'')
gp.send('set ylabel 'FPI'')
gp.send('set xrange [1979:2005]')
gp.plot(rtime,fpi)
gp.send('unset output')
gp.close()

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Re: [R] Make plots with GNUplot. Have anyone tried that?

2008-03-02 Thread Paul Murrell
Hi


Louise Hoffman wrote:
 [snip]
  Seriously. Be specific if you have a problem. (read the posting guide). R 
 can
  also plot. If you don't like R's plots (which I could not understand) you 
 can
  export data and import them to gnuplot. So what?
 
 Okay, my post was not very good.
 
 The reason (I think) I need GNUplot, is that I would like to include
 the plots from R in a Latex report, where I would like to have all the
 text and equations in the plots with the same font as used in Latex.


Take a look at Non-standard fonts in PostScript and PDF graphics in
http://cran.r-project.org/doc/Rnews/Rnews_2006-2.pdf, plus
http://www.stat.auckland.ac.nz/~paul/R/CM/CMR.html

These describe one way to use LaTeX fonts in R plots.

Paul


 So when I read about opening and closing dev for making a pdf I
 figured that the plots that R produces are like the once Matlab makes;
 shows what they ought to, nothing more, nothing less.
 
 So I was wondering if anyone know of an GNUplot friendly format and
 the code that would produce that text file.
 
 I am new to both R and GNUplot, so I am pure ears if someone knows how
 to make such plots in R.
 
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Re: [R] Make plots with GNUplot. Have anyone tried that?

2008-03-01 Thread Gabor Csardi
On Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 12:54:56AM +0100, Louise Hoffman wrote:
   If you still want to then read ?write.table, that can export your data
   into a spreadsheet-like ascii format which can be used from GNUplot
   easily.
 
 Very interesting.
 
 So if I e.g. write:
 ts.sim - arima.sim(list(order = c(1,1,0), ar = 0.7), n = 200)
 ts.plot(ts.sim)
 
 How do I know the names of the rows to put in the data.frame() command?

??? Which data.frame() command? 
(Btw. now you're trying to plot from R?)

   Btw, comparing the graphics capabilities of GNUplot and R, it is
   something like a three-wheel bicycle and a spaceship. Guess
   which is which.
 
 =) I know that I will most likely spend a lot of time on just making
 the plots, but I atleast (for now =) ) think it could be fun to try.

For you maybe, not for me. I'm lost, and I apologize, but I'll quit
the discussion here.

G.

ps. i take back half of what i've said about GNUplot. It's a nice tool.
Still, IMHO, (in most cases) it makes no sense to export data from R and
plot it with GNUplot. 

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Re: [R] Make plots with GNUplot. Have anyone tried that?

2008-03-01 Thread Greg Snow
There is a very basic interface between R and gnuplot in the TeachingDemos 
package.  Look at the help for gp.plot.
 
gp.open will run gnuplot and link it to R, gp.plot will send data to gnuplot 
and create a scatterplot.  (gp.send will send extra commands to gnuplot and 
gp.close will clean up).
 
Feel free to extend this to fit your needs,



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Louise Hoffman
Sent: Fri 2/29/2008 4:54 PM
To: Gabor Csardi
Cc: r-help@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Make plots with GNUplot. Have anyone tried that?



  If you still want to then read ?write.table, that can export your data
  into a spreadsheet-like ascii format which can be used from GNUplot
  easily.

Very interesting.

So if I e.g. write:
ts.sim - arima.sim(list(order = c(1,1,0), ar = 0.7), n = 200)
ts.plot(ts.sim)

How do I know the names of the rows to put in the data.frame() command?

  Btw, comparing the graphics capabilities of GNUplot and R, it is
  something like a three-wheel bicycle and a spaceship. Guess
  which is which.

=) I know that I will most likely spend a lot of time on just making
the plots, but I atleast (for now =) ) think it could be fun to try.

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Re: [R] Make plots with GNUplot. Have anyone tried that?

2008-03-01 Thread Henrik Bengtsson
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Louise Hoffman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [snip]

   Seriously. Be specific if you have a problem. (read the posting guide). R 
  can
also plot. If you don't like R's plots (which I could not understand) you 
 can
export data and import them to gnuplot. So what?

  Okay, my post was not very good.

  The reason (I think) I need GNUplot, is that I would like to include
  the plots from R in a Latex report, where I would like to have all the
  text and equations in the plots with the same font as used in Latex.

FYI, the LaTeX 'psfrag' package was designed for the purpose of having
LaTeX replace the text in EPS figures with text specified in LaTeX.
That should give you the same font as in your main document.  I
haven't used it in a while but it normally does what you want.

My $0.02

Henrik


  So when I read about opening and closing dev for making a pdf I
  figured that the plots that R produces are like the once Matlab makes;
  shows what they ought to, nothing more, nothing less.

  So I was wondering if anyone know of an GNUplot friendly format and
  the code that would produce that text file.

  I am new to both R and GNUplot, so I am pure ears if someone knows how
  to make such plots in R.



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Re: [R] Make plots with GNUplot. Have anyone tried that?

2008-03-01 Thread Greg Snow
Another option to get graphs in LaTeX using the same fonts as the rest of the 
document is to export from R as an eps file, then use eps2pgf 
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/eps2pgf) to convert to a pgf file.  Then in 
the LaTeX file just use \input with the created .pgf file.  This creates the 
graph inside of the LaTeX document using the default font(s) within the 
document.
 
Hope this helps,



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Henrik Bengtsson
Sent: Sat 3/1/2008 4:58 PM
To: Louise Hoffman
Cc: r-help@r-project.org
Subject: Re: [R] Make plots with GNUplot. Have anyone tried that?



On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Louise Hoffman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [snip]

   Seriously. Be specific if you have a problem. (read the posting guide). R 
  can
also plot. If you don't like R's plots (which I could not understand) you 
 can
export data and import them to gnuplot. So what?

  Okay, my post was not very good.

  The reason (I think) I need GNUplot, is that I would like to include
  the plots from R in a Latex report, where I would like to have all the
  text and equations in the plots with the same font as used in Latex.

FYI, the LaTeX 'psfrag' package was designed for the purpose of having
LaTeX replace the text in EPS figures with text specified in LaTeX.
That should give you the same font as in your main document.  I
haven't used it in a while but it normally does what you want.

My $0.02

Henrik


  So when I read about opening and closing dev for making a pdf I
  figured that the plots that R produces are like the once Matlab makes;
  shows what they ought to, nothing more, nothing less.

  So I was wondering if anyone know of an GNUplot friendly format and
  the code that would produce that text file.

  I am new to both R and GNUplot, so I am pure ears if someone knows how
  to make such plots in R.



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[R] Make plots with GNUplot. Have anyone tried that?

2008-02-29 Thread Louise Hoffman
Dear readers,

 I would like to use GNUplot for the plots, but I can't find any
 information on how to do that.

 Have anyone tried that? =)

 Hugs,
 Louise

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Re: [R] Make plots with GNUplot. Have anyone tried that?

2008-02-29 Thread Stefan Grosse
On Friday 29 February 2008 09:37:26 pm Louise Hoffman wrote:
LH Dear readers,
LH
LH  I would like to use GNUplot for the plots, but I can't find any
LH  information on how to do that.
LH
LH  Have anyone tried that? =)
LH
LH  Hugs,
LH  Louise
LH

Try

http://gnuplot.info/

there is plenty information on how to do that.

Seriously. Be specific if you have a problem. (read the posting guide). R can 
also plot. If you don't like R's plots (which I could not understand) you can 
export data and import them to gnuplot. So what?

Stefan

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Re: [R] Make plots with GNUplot. Have anyone tried that?

2008-02-29 Thread Louise Hoffman
[snip]
  Seriously. Be specific if you have a problem. (read the posting guide). R can
  also plot. If you don't like R's plots (which I could not understand) you can
  export data and import them to gnuplot. So what?

Okay, my post was not very good.

The reason (I think) I need GNUplot, is that I would like to include
the plots from R in a Latex report, where I would like to have all the
text and equations in the plots with the same font as used in Latex.

So when I read about opening and closing dev for making a pdf I
figured that the plots that R produces are like the once Matlab makes;
shows what they ought to, nothing more, nothing less.

So I was wondering if anyone know of an GNUplot friendly format and
the code that would produce that text file.

I am new to both R and GNUplot, so I am pure ears if someone knows how
to make such plots in R.

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Re: [R] Make plots with GNUplot. Have anyone tried that?

2008-02-29 Thread Gabor Csardi
I believe that R can export all formats that GNUplot can produce,
so i don't really see why you want to use GNUplot if you don't know it. 
If you still want to then read ?write.table, that can export your data
into a spreadsheet-like ascii format which can be used from GNUplot 
easily.

Btw, comparing the graphics capabilities of GNUplot and R, it is 
something like a three-wheel bicycle and a spaceship. Guess 
which is which.

Gabor

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 11:12:50PM +0100, Louise Hoffman wrote:
 [snip]
   Seriously. Be specific if you have a problem. (read the posting guide). R 
  can
   also plot. If you don't like R's plots (which I could not understand) you 
  can
   export data and import them to gnuplot. So what?
 
 Okay, my post was not very good.
 
 The reason (I think) I need GNUplot, is that I would like to include
 the plots from R in a Latex report, where I would like to have all the
 text and equations in the plots with the same font as used in Latex.
 
 So when I read about opening and closing dev for making a pdf I
 figured that the plots that R produces are like the once Matlab makes;
 shows what they ought to, nothing more, nothing less.
 
 So I was wondering if anyone know of an GNUplot friendly format and
 the code that would produce that text file.
 
 I am new to both R and GNUplot, so I am pure ears if someone knows how
 to make such plots in R.
 
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Re: [R] Make plots with GNUplot. Have anyone tried that?

2008-02-29 Thread Louise Hoffman
  If you still want to then read ?write.table, that can export your data
  into a spreadsheet-like ascii format which can be used from GNUplot
  easily.

Very interesting.

So if I e.g. write:
ts.sim - arima.sim(list(order = c(1,1,0), ar = 0.7), n = 200)
ts.plot(ts.sim)

How do I know the names of the rows to put in the data.frame() command?

  Btw, comparing the graphics capabilities of GNUplot and R, it is
  something like a three-wheel bicycle and a spaceship. Guess
  which is which.

=) I know that I will most likely spend a lot of time on just making
the plots, but I atleast (for now =) ) think it could be fun to try.

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