Re: [R] general question on Spotfire

2012-02-16 Thread John Smith
After one month of struggle, I lost confidence on Spotfire, it's totally
not user-friendly. Yes it is very good for certain data presentation, but
you still need do heavy lifting on data processing by other software. For
me, R is the perfect tool and has best user supporting group. I send this
email just for the statisticians like me, I don't think Spotfire can
improve your efficiency.



On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Frank Harrell f.harr...@vanderbilt.eduwrote:

 Thanks for your note Uwe.  Yes I think a lot of the needed work was related
 to implementing R functions that many of us use that are not available in
 S-Plus, plus what to do about plotmath.  It wasn't enough to just be able
 to
 load the R package.  I don't think implementation of the needed R functions
 in S-Plus ever happened.

 Frank


 Uwe Ligges-3 wrote
 
  On 12.01.2012 17:38, Frank Harrell wrote:
  As a slight aside, Tibco/Spotfire originally planned to provide a
  capability
  to load R packages into S-Plus.  This always seemed to me to be a hard
  thing
  to do, and if my understanding is correct, this proved to be too
  difficult
  to do in S-Plus, at  least for large packages such as mine.
 
  Frank,
 
  this dates back to the times of Insightful. They already did that and
  had a module that allowed to load R packages. Of course, they had to be
  S-PLUS compatible (which is not really easy any more if package authors
  made use of R functionality that exceed the features of S-PLUS). They
  even had hired people to make some R packages S-PLUS compatible,
  R2WinBUGS was just one example that was available from their CSAN
  repositories. (Nowadays R2WInBUGS is no longer S-PLUS compatible, since
  the authors do not care too much and do not have S-PLUS licenses to
  check it.)
 
  Best,
  Uwe
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Frank
 
  Terry Therneau-2 wrote
 
  John,
 Spotfire is a menu driven data exploration tool, very popular here
  with biologists who found that their previous Excel based approach
  doesn't cut it for large data sets.  When TIBCO wanted to expand the
  tool with further quantitative features they made (I think) a bright
  decision to purchase S-plus and integrate it as a back end, rather than
  try to write dozens of new modules in house.  The Splus vs R aspect
 of
  the list responses misses the main point, however.
 
  Spotfire is designed to let you nose around in a data set, quickly
  plotting various aspects, zoom in on subsets (imagine a mouse based
  version of the pinch metafor used on the iphone), etc.  It is a
 useful
  and very well designed tool; one demo was enough to make the sale and
  early growth here was explosive.  But if you already know R you can do
  those graphs already, albeit quite a bit slower.  I decided not to
  persue proficiency in Spotfire, but that was partly because it's
 Windows
  based and I prefer Unix.  Also most of my work is at the
  post-exploration phase, and I would have flipped back to straight R for
  that anyway.
 
  Terry Therneau
 
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Re: [R] general question on Spotfire

2012-01-15 Thread Uwe Ligges



On 12.01.2012 17:38, Frank Harrell wrote:

As a slight aside, Tibco/Spotfire originally planned to provide a capability
to load R packages into S-Plus.  This always seemed to me to be a hard thing
to do, and if my understanding is correct, this proved to be too difficult
to do in S-Plus, at  least for large packages such as mine.


Frank,

this dates back to the times of Insightful. They already did that and 
had a module that allowed to load R packages. Of course, they had to be 
S-PLUS compatible (which is not really easy any more if package authors 
made use of R functionality that exceed the features of S-PLUS). They 
even had hired people to make some R packages S-PLUS compatible, 
R2WinBUGS was just one example that was available from their CSAN 
repositories. (Nowadays R2WInBUGS is no longer S-PLUS compatible, since 
the authors do not care too much and do not have S-PLUS licenses to 
check it.)


Best,
Uwe








Frank

Terry Therneau-2 wrote


John,
   Spotfire is a menu driven data exploration tool, very popular here
with biologists who found that their previous Excel based approach
doesn't cut it for large data sets.  When TIBCO wanted to expand the
tool with further quantitative features they made (I think) a bright
decision to purchase S-plus and integrate it as a back end, rather than
try to write dozens of new modules in house.  The Splus vs R aspect of
the list responses misses the main point, however.

Spotfire is designed to let you nose around in a data set, quickly
plotting various aspects, zoom in on subsets (imagine a mouse based
version of the pinch metafor used on the iphone), etc.  It is a useful
and very well designed tool; one demo was enough to make the sale and
early growth here was explosive.  But if you already know R you can do
those graphs already, albeit quite a bit slower.  I decided not to
persue proficiency in Spotfire, but that was partly because it's Windows
based and I prefer Unix.  Also most of my work is at the
post-exploration phase, and I would have flipped back to straight R for
that anyway.

Terry Therneau

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Re: [R] general question on Spotfire

2012-01-15 Thread Frank Harrell
Thanks for your note Uwe.  Yes I think a lot of the needed work was related
to implementing R functions that many of us use that are not available in
S-Plus, plus what to do about plotmath.  It wasn't enough to just be able to
load the R package.  I don't think implementation of the needed R functions
in S-Plus ever happened.

Frank


Uwe Ligges-3 wrote
 
 On 12.01.2012 17:38, Frank Harrell wrote:
 As a slight aside, Tibco/Spotfire originally planned to provide a
 capability
 to load R packages into S-Plus.  This always seemed to me to be a hard
 thing
 to do, and if my understanding is correct, this proved to be too
 difficult
 to do in S-Plus, at  least for large packages such as mine.
 
 Frank,
 
 this dates back to the times of Insightful. They already did that and 
 had a module that allowed to load R packages. Of course, they had to be 
 S-PLUS compatible (which is not really easy any more if package authors 
 made use of R functionality that exceed the features of S-PLUS). They 
 even had hired people to make some R packages S-PLUS compatible, 
 R2WinBUGS was just one example that was available from their CSAN 
 repositories. (Nowadays R2WInBUGS is no longer S-PLUS compatible, since 
 the authors do not care too much and do not have S-PLUS licenses to 
 check it.)
 
 Best,
 Uwe
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Frank

 Terry Therneau-2 wrote

 John,
Spotfire is a menu driven data exploration tool, very popular here
 with biologists who found that their previous Excel based approach
 doesn't cut it for large data sets.  When TIBCO wanted to expand the
 tool with further quantitative features they made (I think) a bright
 decision to purchase S-plus and integrate it as a back end, rather than
 try to write dozens of new modules in house.  The Splus vs R aspect of
 the list responses misses the main point, however.

 Spotfire is designed to let you nose around in a data set, quickly
 plotting various aspects, zoom in on subsets (imagine a mouse based
 version of the pinch metafor used on the iphone), etc.  It is a useful
 and very well designed tool; one demo was enough to make the sale and
 early growth here was explosive.  But if you already know R you can do
 those graphs already, albeit quite a bit slower.  I decided not to
 persue proficiency in Spotfire, but that was partly because it's Windows
 based and I prefer Unix.  Also most of my work is at the
 post-exploration phase, and I would have flipped back to straight R for
 that anyway.

 Terry Therneau

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Re: [R] general question on Spotfire

2012-01-12 Thread Terry Therneau
John,
  Spotfire is a menu driven data exploration tool, very popular here
with biologists who found that their previous Excel based approach
doesn't cut it for large data sets.  When TIBCO wanted to expand the
tool with further quantitative features they made (I think) a bright
decision to purchase S-plus and integrate it as a back end, rather than
try to write dozens of new modules in house.  The Splus vs R aspect of
the list responses misses the main point, however.  

Spotfire is designed to let you nose around in a data set, quickly
plotting various aspects, zoom in on subsets (imagine a mouse based
version of the pinch metafor used on the iphone), etc.  It is a useful
and very well designed tool; one demo was enough to make the sale and
early growth here was explosive.  But if you already know R you can do
those graphs already, albeit quite a bit slower.  I decided not to
persue proficiency in Spotfire, but that was partly because it's Windows
based and I prefer Unix.  Also most of my work is at the
post-exploration phase, and I would have flipped back to straight R for
that anyway.

Terry Therneau

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Re: [R] general question on Spotfire

2012-01-12 Thread Frank Harrell
As a slight aside, Tibco/Spotfire originally planned to provide a capability
to load R packages into S-Plus.  This always seemed to me to be a hard thing
to do, and if my understanding is correct, this proved to be too difficult
to do in S-Plus, at  least for large packages such as mine.
Frank

Terry Therneau-2 wrote
 
 John,
   Spotfire is a menu driven data exploration tool, very popular here
 with biologists who found that their previous Excel based approach
 doesn't cut it for large data sets.  When TIBCO wanted to expand the
 tool with further quantitative features they made (I think) a bright
 decision to purchase S-plus and integrate it as a back end, rather than
 try to write dozens of new modules in house.  The Splus vs R aspect of
 the list responses misses the main point, however.  
 
 Spotfire is designed to let you nose around in a data set, quickly
 plotting various aspects, zoom in on subsets (imagine a mouse based
 version of the pinch metafor used on the iphone), etc.  It is a useful
 and very well designed tool; one demo was enough to make the sale and
 early growth here was explosive.  But if you already know R you can do
 those graphs already, albeit quite a bit slower.  I decided not to
 persue proficiency in Spotfire, but that was partly because it's Windows
 based and I prefer Unix.  Also most of my work is at the
 post-exploration phase, and I would have flipped back to straight R for
 that anyway.
 
 Terry Therneau
 
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[R] general question on Spotfire

2012-01-11 Thread John Smith
Dear R users,

I have been using R for 10 years, and I love it very much. But in my daily
job for drug discovery, some people use Spotfire. I tried Spotfire on
couple of data sets. It sounds I still need do some data manipulation
before plot figures. For example, I can not plot figure with data arranged
in rows (is this true, or I am stupid?).   So far I don't feel any benefit
Spotfire can provide over R. I am just wondering whether it just because I
am new to Spotfire, or it's true that Spotfire is not a good tool for
statistician.

Also could anyone give me any suggestion how to learn Spotfire?

Thanks

John

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Re: [R] general question on Spotfire

2012-01-11 Thread Duncan Murdoch

On 12-01-11 10:13 AM, John Smith wrote:

Dear R users,

I have been using R for 10 years, and I love it very much. But in my daily
job for drug discovery, some people use Spotfire. I tried Spotfire on
couple of data sets. It sounds I still need do some data manipulation
before plot figures. For example, I can not plot figure with data arranged
in rows (is this true, or I am stupid?).   So far I don't feel any benefit
Spotfire can provide over R. I am just wondering whether it just because I
am new to Spotfire, or it's true that Spotfire is not a good tool for
statistician.

Also could anyone give me any suggestion how to learn Spotfire?


Shouldn't you be asking this question to Spotfire users?

Duncan Murdoch

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Re: [R] general question on Spotfire

2012-01-11 Thread John Smith
I am struggling whether I should learn Spotfire or not. I just want some
statisticians inputs.

Thanks



On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Duncan Murdoch
murdoch.dun...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 12-01-11 10:13 AM, John Smith wrote:

 Dear R users,

 I have been using R for 10 years, and I love it very much. But in my daily
 job for drug discovery, some people use Spotfire. I tried Spotfire on
 couple of data sets. It sounds I still need do some data manipulation
 before plot figures. For example, I can not plot figure with data arranged
 in rows (is this true, or I am stupid?).   So far I don't feel any benefit
 Spotfire can provide over R. I am just wondering whether it just because I
 am new to Spotfire, or it's true that Spotfire is not a good tool for
 statistician.

 Also could anyone give me any suggestion how to learn Spotfire?


 Shouldn't you be asking this question to Spotfire users?

 Duncan Murdoch


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Re: [R] general question on Spotfire

2012-01-11 Thread peter dalgaard

On Jan 11, 2012, at 16:28 , Duncan Murdoch wrote:

 On 12-01-11 10:13 AM, John Smith wrote:
 Dear R users,
 
 I have been using R for 10 years, and I love it very much. But in my daily
 job for drug discovery, some people use Spotfire. I tried Spotfire on
 couple of data sets. It sounds I still need do some data manipulation
 before plot figures. For example, I can not plot figure with data arranged
 in rows (is this true, or I am stupid?).   So far I don't feel any benefit
 Spotfire can provide over R. I am just wondering whether it just because I
 am new to Spotfire, or it's true that Spotfire is not a good tool for
 statistician.
 
 Also could anyone give me any suggestion how to learn Spotfire?
 
 Shouldn't you be asking this question to Spotfire users?

Just to clue in the casual reader, Spotfire embeds a version of S+, which is, 
er, sort of, like, a predecessor to R, so John is not completely off target. 

Documents comparing R and S+ should be useful to him. There are books that are 
bilingual, such as Venables and Ripley MASS and S Programming, but I also 
spotted this on TIBCO's own site: 

http://spotfire.tibco.com/community/blogs/stn/archive/2010/11/04/differences-between-r-and-spotfire-s.aspx

Also, there are (claimed to be) facilities to integrate R itself in Spotfire, 
which could be a rather expedient solution.


 Duncan Murdoch
 
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Re: [R] general question on Spotfire

2012-01-11 Thread Bert Gunter
Peter et. al:

1. I agree with Duncan: wrong list.

2. AFAIK, Spotfire **already** can interface with R.

-- Bert

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:17 AM, peter dalgaard pda...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Jan 11, 2012, at 16:28 , Duncan Murdoch wrote:

 On 12-01-11 10:13 AM, John Smith wrote:
 Dear R users,

 I have been using R for 10 years, and I love it very much. But in my daily
 job for drug discovery, some people use Spotfire. I tried Spotfire on
 couple of data sets. It sounds I still need do some data manipulation
 before plot figures. For example, I can not plot figure with data arranged
 in rows (is this true, or I am stupid?).   So far I don't feel any benefit
 Spotfire can provide over R. I am just wondering whether it just because I
 am new to Spotfire, or it's true that Spotfire is not a good tool for
 statistician.

 Also could anyone give me any suggestion how to learn Spotfire?

 Shouldn't you be asking this question to Spotfire users?

 Just to clue in the casual reader, Spotfire embeds a version of S+, which is, 
 er, sort of, like, a predecessor to R, so John is not completely off target.

 Documents comparing R and S+ should be useful to him. There are books that 
 are bilingual, such as Venables and Ripley MASS and S Programming, but I 
 also spotted this on TIBCO's own site:

 http://spotfire.tibco.com/community/blogs/stn/archive/2010/11/04/differences-between-r-and-spotfire-s.aspx

 Also, there are (claimed to be) facilities to integrate R itself in Spotfire, 
 which could be a rather expedient solution.


 Duncan Murdoch

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Re: [R] general question on Spotfire

2012-01-11 Thread Louis Bajuk-Yorgan
Hello,

I am a Product Manager at Spotfire, focused on integrating statistical 
capabilities from R  S+ into Spotfire, so I will make a few comments:

1. We have a quite a few customers who use Spotfire and R side-by-side for 
doing ad hoc data analysis. Sometimes by the same user, sometimes by different 
users collaborating in a group. Each fills a different niche (with Spotfire 
focusing on highly interactive visualizations), and often different users are 
more comfortable with one or the other. Sometimes users will do their initial 
data manipulation and analysis in R, and then move the data into Spotfire for 
further interaction, and presentation to other, non-R users. 

2. Our focus at Spotfire has been on integrating R  S+ (as Peter mentions 
below), so that it's easy to create and share interactive Spotfire applications 
that leverage analytics from R  S+. We want to help customers put the power of 
R  S+ into the hands of more users, in applications that are friendly and 
familiar to them. 

If you'd like more info on that, check out the info on the Statistics Services 
product at spotfire.tibco.com, or this recorded webcast: 
http://www.screencast.com/t/So5Kz7gJI4

Regards
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On Jan 11, 2012, at 16:28 , Duncan Murdoch wrote:

 On 12-01-11 10:13 AM, John Smith wrote:
 Dear R users,
 
 I have been using R for 10 years, and I love it very much. But in my 
 daily job for drug discovery, some people use Spotfire. I tried 
 Spotfire on couple of data sets. It sounds I still need do some data 
 manipulation before plot figures. For example, I can not plot figure with 
 data arranged
 in rows (is this true, or I am stupid?).   So far I don't feel any benefit
 Spotfire can provide over R. I am just wondering whether it just 
 because I am new to Spotfire, or it's true that Spotfire is not a 
 good tool for statistician.
 
 Also could anyone give me any suggestion how to learn Spotfire?
 
 Shouldn't you be asking this question to Spotfire users?

Just to clue in the casual reader, Spotfire embeds a version of S+, which is, 
er, sort of, like, a predecessor to R, so John is not completely off target. 

Documents comparing R and S+ should be useful to him. There are books that are 
bilingual, such as Venables and Ripley MASS and S Programming, but I also 
spotted this on TIBCO's own site: 

http://spotfire.tibco.com/community/blogs/stn/archive/2010/11/04/differences-between-r-and-spotfire-s.aspx

Also, there are (claimed to be) facilities to integrate R itself in Spotfire, 
which could be a rather expedient solution.


 Duncan Murdoch
 
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Re: [R] general question on Spotfire

2012-01-11 Thread Spencer Graves
Roughly 5 years ago, a Spotfire rep at the Joint Statistical Meetings 
told me they routinely interfaced with both R and S-Plus.  I'm not 100% 
certain, but I believe they have many customers who use that facility 
today.  Spencer



On 1/11/2012 10:37 AM, Bert Gunter wrote:

Peter et. al:

1. I agree with Duncan: wrong list.

2. AFAIK, Spotfire **already** can interface with R.

-- Bert

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:17 AM, peter dalgaardpda...@gmail.com  wrote:

On Jan 11, 2012, at 16:28 , Duncan Murdoch wrote:


On 12-01-11 10:13 AM, John Smith wrote:

Dear R users,

I have been using R for 10 years, and I love it very much. But in my daily
job for drug discovery, some people use Spotfire. I tried Spotfire on
couple of data sets. It sounds I still need do some data manipulation
before plot figures. For example, I can not plot figure with data arranged
in rows (is this true, or I am stupid?).   So far I don't feel any benefit
Spotfire can provide over R. I am just wondering whether it just because I
am new to Spotfire, or it's true that Spotfire is not a good tool for
statistician.

Also could anyone give me any suggestion how to learn Spotfire?

Shouldn't you be asking this question to Spotfire users?

Just to clue in the casual reader, Spotfire embeds a version of S+, which is, 
er, sort of, like, a predecessor to R, so John is not completely off target.

Documents comparing R and S+ should be useful to him. There are books that are 
bilingual, such as Venables and Ripley MASS and S Programming, but I also 
spotted this on TIBCO's own site:

http://spotfire.tibco.com/community/blogs/stn/archive/2010/11/04/differences-between-r-and-spotfire-s.aspx

Also, there are (claimed to be) facilities to integrate R itself in Spotfire, 
which could be a rather expedient solution.



Duncan Murdoch

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