Re: [R] general question on Spotfire
After one month of struggle, I lost confidence on Spotfire, it's totally not user-friendly. Yes it is very good for certain data presentation, but you still need do heavy lifting on data processing by other software. For me, R is the perfect tool and has best user supporting group. I send this email just for the statisticians like me, I don't think Spotfire can improve your efficiency. On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Frank Harrell f.harr...@vanderbilt.eduwrote: Thanks for your note Uwe. Yes I think a lot of the needed work was related to implementing R functions that many of us use that are not available in S-Plus, plus what to do about plotmath. It wasn't enough to just be able to load the R package. I don't think implementation of the needed R functions in S-Plus ever happened. Frank Uwe Ligges-3 wrote On 12.01.2012 17:38, Frank Harrell wrote: As a slight aside, Tibco/Spotfire originally planned to provide a capability to load R packages into S-Plus. This always seemed to me to be a hard thing to do, and if my understanding is correct, this proved to be too difficult to do in S-Plus, at least for large packages such as mine. Frank, this dates back to the times of Insightful. They already did that and had a module that allowed to load R packages. Of course, they had to be S-PLUS compatible (which is not really easy any more if package authors made use of R functionality that exceed the features of S-PLUS). They even had hired people to make some R packages S-PLUS compatible, R2WinBUGS was just one example that was available from their CSAN repositories. (Nowadays R2WInBUGS is no longer S-PLUS compatible, since the authors do not care too much and do not have S-PLUS licenses to check it.) Best, Uwe Frank Terry Therneau-2 wrote John, Spotfire is a menu driven data exploration tool, very popular here with biologists who found that their previous Excel based approach doesn't cut it for large data sets. When TIBCO wanted to expand the tool with further quantitative features they made (I think) a bright decision to purchase S-plus and integrate it as a back end, rather than try to write dozens of new modules in house. The Splus vs R aspect of the list responses misses the main point, however. Spotfire is designed to let you nose around in a data set, quickly plotting various aspects, zoom in on subsets (imagine a mouse based version of the pinch metafor used on the iphone), etc. It is a useful and very well designed tool; one demo was enough to make the sale and early growth here was explosive. But if you already know R you can do those graphs already, albeit quite a bit slower. I decided not to persue proficiency in Spotfire, but that was partly because it's Windows based and I prefer Unix. Also most of my work is at the post-exploration phase, and I would have flipped back to straight R for that anyway. Terry Therneau __ R-help@ mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. - Frank Harrell Department of Biostatistics, Vanderbilt University -- View this message in context: http://r.789695.n4.nabble.com/general-question-on-Spotfire-tp4285758p4289575.html Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ R-help@ mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@ mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. - Frank Harrell Department of Biostatistics, Vanderbilt University -- View this message in context: http://r.789695.n4.nabble.com/general-question-on-Spotfire-tp4285758p4297916.html Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] general question on Spotfire
On 12.01.2012 17:38, Frank Harrell wrote: As a slight aside, Tibco/Spotfire originally planned to provide a capability to load R packages into S-Plus. This always seemed to me to be a hard thing to do, and if my understanding is correct, this proved to be too difficult to do in S-Plus, at least for large packages such as mine. Frank, this dates back to the times of Insightful. They already did that and had a module that allowed to load R packages. Of course, they had to be S-PLUS compatible (which is not really easy any more if package authors made use of R functionality that exceed the features of S-PLUS). They even had hired people to make some R packages S-PLUS compatible, R2WinBUGS was just one example that was available from their CSAN repositories. (Nowadays R2WInBUGS is no longer S-PLUS compatible, since the authors do not care too much and do not have S-PLUS licenses to check it.) Best, Uwe Frank Terry Therneau-2 wrote John, Spotfire is a menu driven data exploration tool, very popular here with biologists who found that their previous Excel based approach doesn't cut it for large data sets. When TIBCO wanted to expand the tool with further quantitative features they made (I think) a bright decision to purchase S-plus and integrate it as a back end, rather than try to write dozens of new modules in house. The Splus vs R aspect of the list responses misses the main point, however. Spotfire is designed to let you nose around in a data set, quickly plotting various aspects, zoom in on subsets (imagine a mouse based version of the pinch metafor used on the iphone), etc. It is a useful and very well designed tool; one demo was enough to make the sale and early growth here was explosive. But if you already know R you can do those graphs already, albeit quite a bit slower. I decided not to persue proficiency in Spotfire, but that was partly because it's Windows based and I prefer Unix. Also most of my work is at the post-exploration phase, and I would have flipped back to straight R for that anyway. Terry Therneau __ R-help@ mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. - Frank Harrell Department of Biostatistics, Vanderbilt University -- View this message in context: http://r.789695.n4.nabble.com/general-question-on-Spotfire-tp4285758p4289575.html Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] general question on Spotfire
Thanks for your note Uwe. Yes I think a lot of the needed work was related to implementing R functions that many of us use that are not available in S-Plus, plus what to do about plotmath. It wasn't enough to just be able to load the R package. I don't think implementation of the needed R functions in S-Plus ever happened. Frank Uwe Ligges-3 wrote On 12.01.2012 17:38, Frank Harrell wrote: As a slight aside, Tibco/Spotfire originally planned to provide a capability to load R packages into S-Plus. This always seemed to me to be a hard thing to do, and if my understanding is correct, this proved to be too difficult to do in S-Plus, at least for large packages such as mine. Frank, this dates back to the times of Insightful. They already did that and had a module that allowed to load R packages. Of course, they had to be S-PLUS compatible (which is not really easy any more if package authors made use of R functionality that exceed the features of S-PLUS). They even had hired people to make some R packages S-PLUS compatible, R2WinBUGS was just one example that was available from their CSAN repositories. (Nowadays R2WInBUGS is no longer S-PLUS compatible, since the authors do not care too much and do not have S-PLUS licenses to check it.) Best, Uwe Frank Terry Therneau-2 wrote John, Spotfire is a menu driven data exploration tool, very popular here with biologists who found that their previous Excel based approach doesn't cut it for large data sets. When TIBCO wanted to expand the tool with further quantitative features they made (I think) a bright decision to purchase S-plus and integrate it as a back end, rather than try to write dozens of new modules in house. The Splus vs R aspect of the list responses misses the main point, however. Spotfire is designed to let you nose around in a data set, quickly plotting various aspects, zoom in on subsets (imagine a mouse based version of the pinch metafor used on the iphone), etc. It is a useful and very well designed tool; one demo was enough to make the sale and early growth here was explosive. But if you already know R you can do those graphs already, albeit quite a bit slower. I decided not to persue proficiency in Spotfire, but that was partly because it's Windows based and I prefer Unix. Also most of my work is at the post-exploration phase, and I would have flipped back to straight R for that anyway. Terry Therneau __ R-help@ mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. - Frank Harrell Department of Biostatistics, Vanderbilt University -- View this message in context: http://r.789695.n4.nabble.com/general-question-on-Spotfire-tp4285758p4289575.html Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ R-help@ mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@ mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. - Frank Harrell Department of Biostatistics, Vanderbilt University -- View this message in context: http://r.789695.n4.nabble.com/general-question-on-Spotfire-tp4285758p4297916.html Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] general question on Spotfire
John, Spotfire is a menu driven data exploration tool, very popular here with biologists who found that their previous Excel based approach doesn't cut it for large data sets. When TIBCO wanted to expand the tool with further quantitative features they made (I think) a bright decision to purchase S-plus and integrate it as a back end, rather than try to write dozens of new modules in house. The Splus vs R aspect of the list responses misses the main point, however. Spotfire is designed to let you nose around in a data set, quickly plotting various aspects, zoom in on subsets (imagine a mouse based version of the pinch metafor used on the iphone), etc. It is a useful and very well designed tool; one demo was enough to make the sale and early growth here was explosive. But if you already know R you can do those graphs already, albeit quite a bit slower. I decided not to persue proficiency in Spotfire, but that was partly because it's Windows based and I prefer Unix. Also most of my work is at the post-exploration phase, and I would have flipped back to straight R for that anyway. Terry Therneau __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] general question on Spotfire
As a slight aside, Tibco/Spotfire originally planned to provide a capability to load R packages into S-Plus. This always seemed to me to be a hard thing to do, and if my understanding is correct, this proved to be too difficult to do in S-Plus, at least for large packages such as mine. Frank Terry Therneau-2 wrote John, Spotfire is a menu driven data exploration tool, very popular here with biologists who found that their previous Excel based approach doesn't cut it for large data sets. When TIBCO wanted to expand the tool with further quantitative features they made (I think) a bright decision to purchase S-plus and integrate it as a back end, rather than try to write dozens of new modules in house. The Splus vs R aspect of the list responses misses the main point, however. Spotfire is designed to let you nose around in a data set, quickly plotting various aspects, zoom in on subsets (imagine a mouse based version of the pinch metafor used on the iphone), etc. It is a useful and very well designed tool; one demo was enough to make the sale and early growth here was explosive. But if you already know R you can do those graphs already, albeit quite a bit slower. I decided not to persue proficiency in Spotfire, but that was partly because it's Windows based and I prefer Unix. Also most of my work is at the post-exploration phase, and I would have flipped back to straight R for that anyway. Terry Therneau __ R-help@ mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. - Frank Harrell Department of Biostatistics, Vanderbilt University -- View this message in context: http://r.789695.n4.nabble.com/general-question-on-Spotfire-tp4285758p4289575.html Sent from the R help mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
[R] general question on Spotfire
Dear R users, I have been using R for 10 years, and I love it very much. But in my daily job for drug discovery, some people use Spotfire. I tried Spotfire on couple of data sets. It sounds I still need do some data manipulation before plot figures. For example, I can not plot figure with data arranged in rows (is this true, or I am stupid?). So far I don't feel any benefit Spotfire can provide over R. I am just wondering whether it just because I am new to Spotfire, or it's true that Spotfire is not a good tool for statistician. Also could anyone give me any suggestion how to learn Spotfire? Thanks John [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] general question on Spotfire
On 12-01-11 10:13 AM, John Smith wrote: Dear R users, I have been using R for 10 years, and I love it very much. But in my daily job for drug discovery, some people use Spotfire. I tried Spotfire on couple of data sets. It sounds I still need do some data manipulation before plot figures. For example, I can not plot figure with data arranged in rows (is this true, or I am stupid?). So far I don't feel any benefit Spotfire can provide over R. I am just wondering whether it just because I am new to Spotfire, or it's true that Spotfire is not a good tool for statistician. Also could anyone give me any suggestion how to learn Spotfire? Shouldn't you be asking this question to Spotfire users? Duncan Murdoch __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] general question on Spotfire
I am struggling whether I should learn Spotfire or not. I just want some statisticians inputs. Thanks On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Duncan Murdoch murdoch.dun...@gmail.comwrote: On 12-01-11 10:13 AM, John Smith wrote: Dear R users, I have been using R for 10 years, and I love it very much. But in my daily job for drug discovery, some people use Spotfire. I tried Spotfire on couple of data sets. It sounds I still need do some data manipulation before plot figures. For example, I can not plot figure with data arranged in rows (is this true, or I am stupid?). So far I don't feel any benefit Spotfire can provide over R. I am just wondering whether it just because I am new to Spotfire, or it's true that Spotfire is not a good tool for statistician. Also could anyone give me any suggestion how to learn Spotfire? Shouldn't you be asking this question to Spotfire users? Duncan Murdoch [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] general question on Spotfire
On Jan 11, 2012, at 16:28 , Duncan Murdoch wrote: On 12-01-11 10:13 AM, John Smith wrote: Dear R users, I have been using R for 10 years, and I love it very much. But in my daily job for drug discovery, some people use Spotfire. I tried Spotfire on couple of data sets. It sounds I still need do some data manipulation before plot figures. For example, I can not plot figure with data arranged in rows (is this true, or I am stupid?). So far I don't feel any benefit Spotfire can provide over R. I am just wondering whether it just because I am new to Spotfire, or it's true that Spotfire is not a good tool for statistician. Also could anyone give me any suggestion how to learn Spotfire? Shouldn't you be asking this question to Spotfire users? Just to clue in the casual reader, Spotfire embeds a version of S+, which is, er, sort of, like, a predecessor to R, so John is not completely off target. Documents comparing R and S+ should be useful to him. There are books that are bilingual, such as Venables and Ripley MASS and S Programming, but I also spotted this on TIBCO's own site: http://spotfire.tibco.com/community/blogs/stn/archive/2010/11/04/differences-between-r-and-spotfire-s.aspx Also, there are (claimed to be) facilities to integrate R itself in Spotfire, which could be a rather expedient solution. Duncan Murdoch __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- Peter Dalgaard, Professor Center for Statistics, Copenhagen Business School Solbjerg Plads 3, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark Phone: (+45)38153501 Email: pd@cbs.dk Priv: pda...@gmail.com __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] general question on Spotfire
Peter et. al: 1. I agree with Duncan: wrong list. 2. AFAIK, Spotfire **already** can interface with R. -- Bert On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:17 AM, peter dalgaard pda...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 11, 2012, at 16:28 , Duncan Murdoch wrote: On 12-01-11 10:13 AM, John Smith wrote: Dear R users, I have been using R for 10 years, and I love it very much. But in my daily job for drug discovery, some people use Spotfire. I tried Spotfire on couple of data sets. It sounds I still need do some data manipulation before plot figures. For example, I can not plot figure with data arranged in rows (is this true, or I am stupid?). So far I don't feel any benefit Spotfire can provide over R. I am just wondering whether it just because I am new to Spotfire, or it's true that Spotfire is not a good tool for statistician. Also could anyone give me any suggestion how to learn Spotfire? Shouldn't you be asking this question to Spotfire users? Just to clue in the casual reader, Spotfire embeds a version of S+, which is, er, sort of, like, a predecessor to R, so John is not completely off target. Documents comparing R and S+ should be useful to him. There are books that are bilingual, such as Venables and Ripley MASS and S Programming, but I also spotted this on TIBCO's own site: http://spotfire.tibco.com/community/blogs/stn/archive/2010/11/04/differences-between-r-and-spotfire-s.aspx Also, there are (claimed to be) facilities to integrate R itself in Spotfire, which could be a rather expedient solution. Duncan Murdoch __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- Peter Dalgaard, Professor Center for Statistics, Copenhagen Business School Solbjerg Plads 3, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark Phone: (+45)38153501 Email: pd@cbs.dk Priv: pda...@gmail.com __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- Bert Gunter Genentech Nonclinical Biostatistics Internal Contact Info: Phone: 467-7374 Website: http://pharmadevelopment.roche.com/index/pdb/pdb-functional-groups/pdb-biostatistics/pdb-ncb-home.htm __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] general question on Spotfire
Hello, I am a Product Manager at Spotfire, focused on integrating statistical capabilities from R S+ into Spotfire, so I will make a few comments: 1. We have a quite a few customers who use Spotfire and R side-by-side for doing ad hoc data analysis. Sometimes by the same user, sometimes by different users collaborating in a group. Each fills a different niche (with Spotfire focusing on highly interactive visualizations), and often different users are more comfortable with one or the other. Sometimes users will do their initial data manipulation and analysis in R, and then move the data into Spotfire for further interaction, and presentation to other, non-R users. 2. Our focus at Spotfire has been on integrating R S+ (as Peter mentions below), so that it's easy to create and share interactive Spotfire applications that leverage analytics from R S+. We want to help customers put the power of R S+ into the hands of more users, in applications that are friendly and familiar to them. If you'd like more info on that, check out the info on the Statistics Services product at spotfire.tibco.com, or this recorded webcast: http://www.screencast.com/t/So5Kz7gJI4 Regards Lou -- Lou Bajuk-Yorgan Sr. Director, Product Management Spotfire, TIBCO Software 206-802-2328 lba...@tibco.com http://spotfire.tibco.com -Original Message- From: r-help-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-help-boun...@r-project.org] On Behalf Of peter dalgaard Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:17 AM To: Duncan Murdoch Cc: r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] general question on Spotfire On Jan 11, 2012, at 16:28 , Duncan Murdoch wrote: On 12-01-11 10:13 AM, John Smith wrote: Dear R users, I have been using R for 10 years, and I love it very much. But in my daily job for drug discovery, some people use Spotfire. I tried Spotfire on couple of data sets. It sounds I still need do some data manipulation before plot figures. For example, I can not plot figure with data arranged in rows (is this true, or I am stupid?). So far I don't feel any benefit Spotfire can provide over R. I am just wondering whether it just because I am new to Spotfire, or it's true that Spotfire is not a good tool for statistician. Also could anyone give me any suggestion how to learn Spotfire? Shouldn't you be asking this question to Spotfire users? Just to clue in the casual reader, Spotfire embeds a version of S+, which is, er, sort of, like, a predecessor to R, so John is not completely off target. Documents comparing R and S+ should be useful to him. There are books that are bilingual, such as Venables and Ripley MASS and S Programming, but I also spotted this on TIBCO's own site: http://spotfire.tibco.com/community/blogs/stn/archive/2010/11/04/differences-between-r-and-spotfire-s.aspx Also, there are (claimed to be) facilities to integrate R itself in Spotfire, which could be a rather expedient solution. Duncan Murdoch __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- Peter Dalgaard, Professor Center for Statistics, Copenhagen Business School Solbjerg Plads 3, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark Phone: (+45)38153501 Email: pd@cbs.dk Priv: pda...@gmail.com __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] general question on Spotfire
Roughly 5 years ago, a Spotfire rep at the Joint Statistical Meetings told me they routinely interfaced with both R and S-Plus. I'm not 100% certain, but I believe they have many customers who use that facility today. Spencer On 1/11/2012 10:37 AM, Bert Gunter wrote: Peter et. al: 1. I agree with Duncan: wrong list. 2. AFAIK, Spotfire **already** can interface with R. -- Bert On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:17 AM, peter dalgaardpda...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 11, 2012, at 16:28 , Duncan Murdoch wrote: On 12-01-11 10:13 AM, John Smith wrote: Dear R users, I have been using R for 10 years, and I love it very much. But in my daily job for drug discovery, some people use Spotfire. I tried Spotfire on couple of data sets. It sounds I still need do some data manipulation before plot figures. For example, I can not plot figure with data arranged in rows (is this true, or I am stupid?). So far I don't feel any benefit Spotfire can provide over R. I am just wondering whether it just because I am new to Spotfire, or it's true that Spotfire is not a good tool for statistician. Also could anyone give me any suggestion how to learn Spotfire? Shouldn't you be asking this question to Spotfire users? Just to clue in the casual reader, Spotfire embeds a version of S+, which is, er, sort of, like, a predecessor to R, so John is not completely off target. Documents comparing R and S+ should be useful to him. There are books that are bilingual, such as Venables and Ripley MASS and S Programming, but I also spotted this on TIBCO's own site: http://spotfire.tibco.com/community/blogs/stn/archive/2010/11/04/differences-between-r-and-spotfire-s.aspx Also, there are (claimed to be) facilities to integrate R itself in Spotfire, which could be a rather expedient solution. Duncan Murdoch __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- Peter Dalgaard, Professor Center for Statistics, Copenhagen Business School Solbjerg Plads 3, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark Phone: (+45)38153501 Email: pd@cbs.dk Priv: pda...@gmail.com __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San José, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com __ R-help@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.