Re: [R] Measurements of 3000 criminals
On 31-Oct-06 Martin Maechler wrote: Jean == Jean lobry [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:07:04 +0200 writes: Hallo everyone, excuse me if this is not a genuine R question but I do not know where to ask else. Referring to e.g. https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/2004-December/062114.html I wonder if these measurements of 3000 criminals (raw data) are available anywhere. [...] Jean Dietrich, Jean I'm not sure, but this is perhaps what you want: Jean crim - Jean read.table(http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/R/donnees/criminals1902.txt;) Jean [...] Jean, this is really very nice, and given the historic importance of the data, I'd like to add this to the official R 'datasets' (the standard data set package), with tribute to you and Anne-Béatrice, and the references. [...] A further historical note. No doubt many R-helpreaders will have recently received (e.g. via allstat) the announcement: RSS Highlands local group meeting, December 5: 100 years of statistics in Aberdeen Dear all! This is a first announcement for a special meeting of the Highlands local group of the RSS celebrating the centenary of the first lecturer in Statistics at the University of Aberdeen (Dr William Robert Macdonell), one of the first in the UK. The same W. R. Macdonell as published the data in question. Being a centenary takes it back to 1906. Such biographic information as I have been able to find says: W. R. MACDONELL. Born October 16, 1852. Died May 15, 1916 KER Biometrika.1917; 11: 281-283 So he was well into his 50s when so honoured, and had only few years to go. Somewhat to my surpise, the excellent Index of Biographies of mathematicians and statisticians at the University of St Andrews: http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/BiogIndex.html has nothing for him, despite his being a First for Scotland! Best wishes to all, Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 04-Nov-06 Time: 19:32:50 -- XFMail -- __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Measurements of 3000 criminals
Jean == Jean lobry [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:07:04 +0200 writes: Hallo everyone, excuse me if this is not a genuine R question but I do not know where to ask else. Referring to e.g. https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/2004-December/062114.html I wonder if these measurements of 3000 criminals (raw data) are available anywhere. At least I didn't find them in the R datasets package or by means of Google. What I did find was a table of frequencies of the central values for *grouped* classifications (finger lenghts) in the Handbook of Small Data Sets. Thank you in advance. D. Trenkler Jean Dietrich, Jean I'm not sure, but this is perhaps what you want: Jean crim - Jean read.table(http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/R/donnees/criminals1902.txt;) May I propose to enhance this to cfile - http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/R/donnees/criminals1902.txt; crimtab - as.table(data.matrix(read.table(cfile, check.names=FALSE))) ## and e.g., print(crimtab, zero=.) Jean, this is really very nice, and given the historic importance of the data, I'd like to add this to the official R 'datasets' (the standard data set package), with tribute to you and Anne-Béatrice, and the references. If you agree, I'd be happy if you could help me (in private e-mail exchanges) to easily complete the relevant help page. Martin Maechler, ETH Zurich Jean For some R code playing with this dataset, open this Jean (draft) document: Jean http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/members/lobry/R/convergencet.pdf Jean and jump to section 4. Jean HTH, Jean Jean -- Jean R. Lobry ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Jean Laboratoire BBE-CNRS-UMR-5558, Univ. C. Bernard - LYON Jean I, 43 Bd 11/11/1918, F-69622 VILLEURBANNE CEDEX, Jean FRANCE allo : +33 472 43 27 56 fax : +33 472 43 13 88 Jean http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/members/lobry/ Jean __ Jean R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list Jean https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do Jean read the posting guide Jean http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and Jean provide commented, minimal, self-contained, Jean reproducible code. __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Measurements of 3000 criminals
On that basis, and having looked at Jean's PDF http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/members/lobry/R/convergencet.pdf the table on the 11th page thereof (Section 4) seems to be a facsimile reproduction of the corresponding page in the Biometrika article by Macdonell. (I do not have access at the moment to the original Biometrika, so cannot verify this), and that table gives the data as originally published by Macdonell. Ted, Yes, indeed, this is a screen-copy from the Macdonell paper scanned in JSTOR. As you have guessed we (Anne-Béatrice Dufour and mylself) have entered the data, checked that margins were consistent, and converted height in cm. We were planning to use this for teaching: a practical under R to reproduce Student's original experiment, but we didn't have the time up to now to write the handout. Best, Jean -- Jean R. Lobry([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Laboratoire BBE-CNRS-UMR-5558, Univ. C. Bernard - LYON I, 43 Bd 11/11/1918, F-69622 VILLEURBANNE CEDEX, FRANCE allo : +33 472 43 27 56 fax: +33 472 43 13 88 http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/members/lobry/ __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Measurements of 3000 criminals
Hallo everyone, excuse me if this is not a genuine R question but I do not know where to ask else. Referring to e.g. https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/2004-December/062114.html I wonder if these measurements of 3000 criminals (raw data) are available anywhere. At least I didn't find them in the R datasets package or by means of Google. What I did find was a table of frequencies of the central values for *grouped* classifications (finger lenghts) in the Handbook of Small Data Sets. Thank you in advance. D. Trenkler Dietrich, I'm not sure, but this is perhaps what you want: crim - read.table(http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/R/donnees/criminals1902.txt;) For some R code playing with this dataset, open this (draft) document: http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/members/lobry/R/convergencet.pdf and jump to section 4. HTH, Jean -- Jean R. Lobry([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Laboratoire BBE-CNRS-UMR-5558, Univ. C. Bernard - LYON I, 43 Bd 11/11/1918, F-69622 VILLEURBANNE CEDEX, FRANCE allo : +33 472 43 27 56 fax: +33 472 43 13 88 http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/members/lobry/ __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Measurements of 3000 criminals
On 28-Oct-06 Jean lobry wrote: Hallo everyone, excuse me if this is not a genuine R question but I do not know where to ask else. Referring to e.g. https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/2004-December/062114.html I wonder if these measurements of 3000 criminals (raw data) are available anywhere. At least I didn't find them in the R datasets package or by means of Google. What I did find was a table of frequencies of the central values for *grouped* classifications (finger lenghts) in the Handbook of Small Data Sets. Thank you in advance. D. Trenkler Dietrich, I'm not sure, but this is perhaps what you want: crim - read.table(http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/R/donnees/criminals1902.txt;) For some R code playing with this dataset, open this (draft) document: http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/members/lobry/R/convergencet.pdf and jump to section 4. HTH, Jean Following up Dietrich's original URL https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/2004-December/062114.html I find that the seed for this thread was originally planted by myself! If you go back to that posting, you will read in the quotation from Student (1908): Before I had succeeded in solving my problem analytically, I had endeavoured to do so empirically. The material used was a correlation table containing the height and left middle finger measurements of 3000 criminals, from a paper by W. R. Macdonnell (Biometrika, I, p. 219). ... [NB Typo: Macdonnell should be Macdonell; for 219 see below] The crucial phrase is correlation table, i.e. a 2-way table of counts in intervals of one variable by intervals of another variable. On that basis, and having looked at Jean's PDF http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/members/lobry/R/convergencet.pdf the table on the 11th page thereof (Section 4) seems to be a facsimile reproduction of the corresponding page in the Biometrika article by Macdonell. (I do not have access at the moment to the original Biometrika, so cannot verify this), and that table gives the data as originally published by Macdonell. This is not, of course, the raw data which would have been 3000 records each with the measurements of each of the 3000 individuals. But I think that it is as close as one can get! The references to Student's and Macdonell's articles are given in Jean's PDF, including the fact that the table in question was found on Macdonell's p. 216, not 219. Cross-checking Jean's data file http://pbil.univ-lyon1.fr/R/donnees/criminals1902.txt against the Macdonell reproduction shows that the counts are the same, the left-hand margins (finger length in mm) agree, and the top margins also agree on the basis that the heights are given by Jean in cm corresponding to the midpoints of Macdonell's intervals in feet/inches. Thus where Macdonell has 4' 79/16 -- 89/16, Jean has 142.24 which is 2.54*56 = 2.54*(4' 8). Hoping that this helps! Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 28-Oct-06 Time: 13:55:28 -- XFMail -- __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
[R] Measurements of 3000 criminals
Hallo everyone, excuse me if this is not a genuine R question but I do not know where to ask else. Referring to e.g. https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/2004-December/062114.html I wonder if these measurements of 3000 criminals (raw data) are available anywhere. At least I didn't find them in the R datasets package or by means of Google. What I did find was a table of frequencies of the central values for *grouped* classifications (finger lenghts) in the Handbook of Small Data Sets. Thank you in advance. D. Trenkler -- Dietrich Trenkler c/o Universitaet Osnabrueck Rolandstr. 8; D-49069 Osnabrueck, Germany email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
Re: [R] Measurements of 3000 criminals
Dietrich Trenkler Dietrich.Trenkler at uni-osnabrueck.de writes: Hallo everyone, excuse me if this is not a genuine R question but I do not know where to ask else. Referring to e.g. https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/2004-December/062114.html I wonder if these measurements of 3000 criminals (raw data) are available anywhere. At least I didn't find them in the R datasets package or by means of Google. What I did find was a table of frequencies of the central values for *grouped* classifications (finger lenghts) in the Handbook of Small Data Sets. Thank you in advance. D. Trenkler The original paper on JSTOR (Biometrika Vol I, no 2, 1902, W. R. Macdonell) gives tables of bivariate distributions (head length vs head breadth, height vs head breadth, height vs left middle finger length) for the 3000-criminal sample, a 1306-criminal subsample, and for a sample of 1000 Cambridge men. It would be an interesting challenge for a historian of science ... Ben Bolker __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
