Fw: [R] R Citation
Dear Achim, Thanks for the comment. Here is the publisher's style guideline (AGU) Because the Internet is dynamic environment and sites may change or move, treat World Wide Web, ftp files, and electronically archived data stored at data centers other than World or National Data Centers as unpublished, i.e., in text only. http://www.agu.org/pubs/AuthorRefSheet.pdf So by this policy, R and its packages cannot be included in the list of references and has the same citation as a pers.comm. The problem for my paper can be resolved by removing the citation from references to text, but this seems unfair to R and the package authors for AGU publications. AGU does recognize some permanent data archives listed here http://www.agu.org/pubs/datacent.html - maybe it would make sense to have a mirror at one of these permanent archives for packages and versions. Regards, Steve McIntyre - Original Message - From: Achim Zeileis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [R] R Citation On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:42:41 -0500 Steve McIntyre wrote: I've cited R in an article accepted by a journal using the following reference: R Development Core Team (2004), R: A language and environment for statistical computing. R Foundation for Statistical Computing, Vienna, Austria. ISBN 3-900051-00-3, http://www.Rproject.org. ^ The ISBN is 3-900051-07-0 and the URL http://www.R-project.org/. I received the following query about my citation. 7. For R Development Core Team [2004], you provided both an ISBN and a Web site address. If this is a book, please provide the name and location of the publisher. If you do not have print publication information, the Web site will be cited in text only, and the reference will be removed from the reference list. I'd appreciate advice on this. I had a similar query about a similar citation of an R package. Well, both R and the package are software and no books, so print publication information cannot be available. You could either argue that you want to cite software and that the information is complete, or (if the publisher of the journal would not accept that) argue that both are manuals which you want to cite (for which the publisher should have a citation style). One would hope that the latter is not necessary as a publisher should always allow a possibility to properly cite software used in a scientific article... hth, Z Thanks, Steve McIntyre [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: Fw: [R] R Citation
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:48:39 -0500 Steve McIntyre wrote: Dear Achim, Thanks for the comment. Here is the publisher's style guideline(AGU) Because the Internet is dynamic environment and sites may change or move, treat World Wide Web, ftp files, and electronically archived data stored at data centers other than World or National Data Centers as unpublished, i.e., in text only. http://www.agu.org/pubs/AuthorRefSheet.pdf My understanding of this is that you cannot refer to files (especially documents and data files) in the references. A software package is neither. So maybe you should just remove the URL? For proprietary software packages, you don't have a URL from which you can download it, but nevertheless you should cite the software you used in an article. In short: The text above does not provide a guideline on how to cite software (afaics), and thus it does not apply to citing R or R packages. my EUR 0.02 Z So by this policy, R and its packages cannot be included in the list of references and has the same citation as a pers.comm. The problem for my paper can be resolved by removing the citation from references to text, but this seems unfair to R and the package authors for AGU publications. AGU does recognize some permanent data archives listed here http://www.agu.org/pubs/datacent.html - maybe it would make sense to have a mirror at one of these permanent archives for packages and versions. Regards, Steve McIntyre - Original Message - From: Achim Zeileis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [R] R Citation On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:42:41 -0500 Steve McIntyre wrote: I've cited R in an article accepted by a journal using the following reference: R Development Core Team (2004), R: A language and environment for statistical computing. R Foundation for Statistical Computing, Vienna, Austria. ISBN 3-900051-00-3, http://www.Rproject.org. ^ The ISBN is 3-900051-07-0 and the URL http://www.R-project.org/. I received the following query about my citation. 7. For R Development Core Team [2004], you provided both an ISBN and a Web site address. If this is a book, please provide the name and location of the publisher. If you do not have print publication information, the Web site will be cited in text only, and the reference will be removed from the reference list. I'd appreciate advice on this. I had a similar query about a similar citation of an R package. Well, both R and the package are software and no books, so print publication information cannot be available. You could either argue that you want to cite software and that the information is complete, or (if the publisher of the journal would not accept that) argue that both are manuals which you want to cite (for which the publisher should have a citation style). One would hope that the latter is not necessary as a publisher should always allow a possibility to properly cite software used in a scientific article... hth, Z Thanks, Steve McIntyre [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: Fw: [R] R Citation
Dear Michael and Achim, the problem is obviously that AGU doesn't have a policy for referencing software. (They have an excellent policy for citing data, but the policy is seldom followed in the paleoclimate field.) I suppose that I could cite a reference manual for R, but that seems a bit weird. Likewise, for the waveslim package, I suppose that I could reference one of Whitcher's publications about it, but that's not really what's involved. AGU makes a distinction between a citation in the body of the article and in the list of references, and does permit citation of software in a non-recognized archive in the body of the article. I'm not in a position to get into a debate with AGU over how they run their citations. It seems to me that the right course of action is to put the R citation (and the package citation) in the body of the text. In a few weeks, I'll probably write to AGU about policies for citing software. I think that their main concern over citing of Internet sources is permanence. So unless R packages are mirrored at a recognized permanent data archive, AGU won't permit the citation in the references (although it will in the running text). Maybe it would be a good idea to have an R mirror at one of the permanent data archives. I'm sure one of them wouldn't mind. Regards, Steve McIntyre [[alternative HTML version deleted]] __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: Fw: [R] R Citation
On Friday 21 January 2005 14:48, Steve McIntyre wrote: Dear Achim, Thanks for the comment. Here is the publisher's style guideline (AGU) Because the Internet is dynamic environment and sites may change or move, treat World Wide Web, ftp files, and electronically archived data stored at data centers other than World or National Data Centers as unpublished, i.e., in text only. http://www.agu.org/pubs/AuthorRefSheet.pdf So by this policy, R and its packages cannot be included in the list of references and has the same citation as a pers.comm. The problem for my paper can be resolved by removing the citation from references to text, but this seems unfair to R and the package authors for AGU publications. AGU does recognize some permanent data archives listed here http://www.agu.org/pubs/datacent.html - maybe it would make sense to have a mirror at one of these permanent archives for packages and versions. Regards, Steve McIntyre Steve, Depending upon the actual format of your paper, you might either add a reference to R in your Methods or in an acknowledgements section if the format permits such. Looking at the AGU publishing guide, their obvious concern is to insure that the data used in an article are sourced properly. Statistical software, like ground-penetrating radar or a magnetometer for instance, is a tool. Thus it really falls within the scope of methods. It is reasonable in that case to cite the URL in the text. You can also elaborate somewhat and explain sonething of the history and origins of R, citing the The R Reference Manual by the R Development Core Team, which is available through Amazon Books (volume 1 for mere $57.56 plus shipping at present). You ought to be able with a bit of creativity to drag in mention of both the URL and the manuals. Good luck, John __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
