Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, David Forrest wrote: ... http://fawn.unibw-hamburg.de/cgi-bin/Rwiki.pl?UsePictures This page demonstrates the use of pictures and the use of a public image server for hosting graphics files. Also, there's a page: http://fawn.unibw-hamburg.de/cgi-bin/Rwiki.pl?GraphGallery which points to a few graphics galleries (R and not-R) around the web. Dave -- Dr. David Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED](804)684-7900w [EMAIL PROTECTED] (804)642-0662h http://maplepark.com/~drf5n/ __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs
On 6 Jun 2005 at 17:48, Sander Oom wrote: ... much snipped ... The whole point of a gallery is to show something to the user before the user knows what he is looking for. The R help functions currently available are hopeless when you have a picture of a graph in your head without knowing the required commands. ... much snipped ... Belief that good graphics are often as important or more important than inferential tests or even CIs was one of the reasons I've moved over the last 15 years from SPSS (still use it a bit 'cos most colleagues do) through SAS (much better, much better graphics) to S+ (same but more so) to R (same and FLOSS!) The demo graphics and the gallery are wonderful visual arguments for R and also great resources to help us learn. Categories that I think might be useful sometimes might be: describes one variable where that is: dichotomous, categorical (n(categories) 2), polytomous (short), polytomous (many levels), or continuous (might allow something on superimposing different referential distributions describes relationship between two variables where: both are dichotomous or polytomous one is ditto, other is continuous (box violin etc: very useful to see good e.g.s of how to get most appropriate boxplots as it's always possible to get good ones but not always obvious) (pointer to back-to-back histogram in Hmisc here) both are continuous (with and without jitter and weighting blobs) describe relationships between more than two variables... However, the gallery idea is a very powerful one and being able to scroll through and drill down is a useful trick that M$ have, I grudgingly admit, used well so could we mimic their galleries from Excel as someone has suggested and perhaps mimic the drop down graphics picker in S+ (I no longer have access). It's not much help but someone could put up the drop down list for newbies coming from SPSS ... ooh, just opened up my copy (11.0.1) and realised there's a gallery there with the following: bar, line, area, pie, high-low, pareto, control, boxplots, error bar, scatter, histogram, normal P-P, normal Q-Q, sequence, autocorrelations, cross-correlations spectral. Never knew that the was there! The drop down list below that has essentially the same list but with the last three under a sub-heading of time series and ROC curves added. I wonder if someone hosted a wiki for a while at least it would get people contributing code for examples for some of these? The results could transfer to the wonderful graphics gallery as they accumulated. My skills aren't that hot but I'd throw in a few things happily and I'm sure a reward would be hearing of better ways to do things both in terms of coding and in terms of better displays/graphics to use. Cheers all, C -- Chris Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Consultant Psychiatrist in Psychotherapy, Rampton Hospital; Research Programmes Director, Nottinghamshire NHS Trust, Hon. SL Institute of Psychiatry *** My views are my own and not representative of those institutions *** __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs
I agree that a wiki to facilitate submission of graph code could be very effective! Still needs to be well protected against vandalism. Seems a regular backup, to facilitate a clean restore, is the best approach. Romain, would you be willing to set up a wiki within the gallery. Think the wiki and gallery should be close to each other in cyber space! I use DokuWiki privately and it works wonders. Guess the database design will require a bit of thought. For each graph it should be possible to enter multiple categories and sub-categories. then the gallery interface should dynamically build galleries using these categories. Not sure if you would want to create 'meta' categories to facilitate multiple categorization approaches!? We could start with a limited list such as suggested by Chris to populate the gallery in the first instance. Pleased to see this progress!! Sander. Chris Evans wrote: On 6 Jun 2005 at 17:48, Sander Oom wrote: ... much snipped ... The whole point of a gallery is to show something to the user before the user knows what he is looking for. The R help functions currently available are hopeless when you have a picture of a graph in your head without knowing the required commands. ... much snipped ... Belief that good graphics are often as important or more important than inferential tests or even CIs was one of the reasons I've moved over the last 15 years from SPSS (still use it a bit 'cos most colleagues do) through SAS (much better, much better graphics) to S+ (same but more so) to R (same and FLOSS!) The demo graphics and the gallery are wonderful visual arguments for R and also great resources to help us learn. Categories that I think might be useful sometimes might be: describes one variable where that is: dichotomous, categorical (n(categories) 2), polytomous (short), polytomous (many levels), or continuous (might allow something on superimposing different referential distributions describes relationship between two variables where: both are dichotomous or polytomous one is ditto, other is continuous (box violin etc: very useful to see good e.g.s of how to get most appropriate boxplots as it's always possible to get good ones but not always obvious) (pointer to back-to-back histogram in Hmisc here) both are continuous (with and without jitter and weighting blobs) describe relationships between more than two variables... However, the gallery idea is a very powerful one and being able to scroll through and drill down is a useful trick that M$ have, I grudgingly admit, used well so could we mimic their galleries from Excel as someone has suggested and perhaps mimic the drop down graphics picker in S+ (I no longer have access). It's not much help but someone could put up the drop down list for newbies coming from SPSS ... ooh, just opened up my copy (11.0.1) and realised there's a gallery there with the following: bar, line, area, pie, high-low, pareto, control, boxplots, error bar, scatter, histogram, normal P-P, normal Q-Q, sequence, autocorrelations, cross-correlations spectral. Never knew that the was there! The drop down list below that has essentially the same list but with the last three under a sub-heading of time series and ROC curves added. I wonder if someone hosted a wiki for a while at least it would get people contributing code for examples for some of these? The results could transfer to the wonderful graphics gallery as they accumulated. My skills aren't that hot but I'd throw in a few things happily and I'm sure a reward would be hearing of better ways to do things both in terms of coding and in terms of better displays/graphics to use. Cheers all, C -- Dr Sander P. Oom Animal, Plant and Environmental Sciences, University of the Witwatersrand Private Bag 3, Wits 2050, South Africa Tel (work) +27 (0)11 717 64 04 Tel (home) +27 (0)18 297 44 51 Fax +27 (0)18 299 24 64 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.oomvanlieshout.net/sander __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs
I like the wiki idea! Does it make sense to connect the graph wiki to the existing R wiki? (http://fawn.unibw-hamburg.de/cgi-bin/Rwiki.pl?RwikiHome) This might give the existing wiki a kickstart with some very valuable content. I realize they are maintained by different people but the whole point of a wiki is to foster collaboration. Just 2 cents . . . ~Nick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sander Oom Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 2:37 AM To: Chris Evans Cc: R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch Subject: Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs I agree that a wiki to facilitate submission of graph code could be very effective! Still needs to be well protected against vandalism. Seems a regular backup, to facilitate a clean restore, is the best approach. Romain, would you be willing to set up a wiki within the gallery. Think the wiki and gallery should be close to each other in cyber space! I use DokuWiki privately and it works wonders. Guess the database design will require a bit of thought. For each graph it should be possible to enter multiple categories and sub-categories. then the gallery interface should dynamically build galleries using these categories. Not sure if you would want to create 'meta' categories to facilitate multiple categorization approaches!? We could start with a limited list such as suggested by Chris to populate the gallery in the first instance. Pleased to see this progress!! Sander. __ Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs
Le 07.06.2005 12:36, Sander Oom a écrit : I agree that a wiki to facilitate submission of graph code could be very effective! Still needs to be well protected against vandalism. Seems a regular backup, to facilitate a clean restore, is the best approach. Romain, would you be willing to set up a wiki within the gallery. Think the wiki and gallery should be close to each other in cyber space! Sander, A lot of things are done after getting the code. Syntax highlighting for example. That can't (at least for now) be done online. Certain things will be wiki-like, the WISHLIST can be filled online, in a few days the keywors thing will come and users of the gallery will be able to fill it. Later, people will have the possibility to write a few words on a graph and not just give a note. Nevertheless, I don't think that all should be wikied. I use DokuWiki privately and it works wonders. Guess the database design will require a bit of thought. For each graph it should be possible to enter multiple categories and sub-categories. then the gallery interface should dynamically build galleries using these categories. Not sure if you would want to create 'meta' categories to facilitate multiple categorization approaches!? The keyword thing appears to be really popular and I think it's a good idea. Those keywords may be categorized in the future. That shouldn't be that hard to achieve that. The problem is time. R Graph Gallery is just something I am having fun with. ;-) We could start with a limited list such as suggested by Chris to populate the gallery in the first instance. Pleased to see this progress!! Sander. Thanks to all people who responded to that thread. It really helped me understanding how the things have to be done. Regards, Romain -- visit the R Graph Gallery : http://addictedtor.free.fr/graphiques ~ ~~ Romain FRANCOIS - http://addictedtor.free.fr ~~ Etudiant ISUP - CS3 - Industrie et Services ~~http://www.isup.cicrp.jussieu.fr/ ~~ Stagiaire INRIA Futurs - Equipe SELECT ~~ http://www.inria.fr/recherche/equipes/select.fr.html~~ ~ __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs
Hi Romain, You have stuck your neck out which is great. You are however not responsible for all the work! Let others join in! Thus a wiki could provide opportunities for other people to contribute! I was suggesting that the wiki be used as a platform for people to submit code examples and for people to discuss these examples! Did not think this would replace the things you need to do to get the data into the gallery!! Maybe Nick would like to kick off the Rgraph wiki pages in the existing Rwiki, following the debates we have had about the categorization!? Cheers, Sander. Romain Francois wrote: Le 07.06.2005 12:36, Sander Oom a écrit : I agree that a wiki to facilitate submission of graph code could be very effective! Still needs to be well protected against vandalism. Seems a regular backup, to facilitate a clean restore, is the best approach. Romain, would you be willing to set up a wiki within the gallery. Think the wiki and gallery should be close to each other in cyber space! Sander, A lot of things are done after getting the code. Syntax highlighting for example. That can't (at least for now) be done online. Certain things will be wiki-like, the WISHLIST can be filled online, in a few days the keywors thing will come and users of the gallery will be able to fill it. Later, people will have the possibility to write a few words on a graph and not just give a note. Nevertheless, I don't think that all should be wikied. I use DokuWiki privately and it works wonders. Guess the database design will require a bit of thought. For each graph it should be possible to enter multiple categories and sub-categories. then the gallery interface should dynamically build galleries using these categories. Not sure if you would want to create 'meta' categories to facilitate multiple categorization approaches!? The keyword thing appears to be really popular and I think it's a good idea. Those keywords may be categorized in the future. That shouldn't be that hard to achieve that. The problem is time. R Graph Gallery is just something I am having fun with. ;-) We could start with a limited list such as suggested by Chris to populate the gallery in the first instance. Pleased to see this progress!! Sander. Thanks to all people who responded to that thread. It really helped me understanding how the things have to be done. Regards, Romain -- Dr Sander P. Oom Animal, Plant and Environmental Sciences, University of the Witwatersrand Private Bag 3, Wits 2050, South Africa Tel (work) +27 (0)11 717 64 04 Tel (home) +27 (0)18 297 44 51 Fax +27 (0)18 299 24 64 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.oomvanlieshout.net/sander __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Sander Oom wrote: Hi Romain, You have stuck your neck out which is great. You are however not responsible for all the work! Let others join in! Thus a wiki could provide opportunities for other people to contribute! I was suggesting that the wiki be used as a platform for people to submit code examples and for people to discuss these examples! Did not think this would replace the things you need to do to get the data into the gallery!! Maybe Nick would like to kick off the Rgraph wiki pages in the existing Rwiki, following the debates we have had about the categorization!? I agree, but its hard to get people contributing without something centralized (some central autohrity). The problem with the existing wiki http://fawn.unibw-hamburg.de/cgi-bin/Rwiki.pl?RwikiHome Is that it currenlty does not support images (afaik). My personal favourite is MediaWiki, it has all kinds of gallery, category functions built in, including levels of 'protection' and 'authorization' to guide the user contributions in sensible ways. It can hook up to other media wiki's (like wikipedia) and exchange information in XML format (which is why you see data from wikipedia all over the web). It even has RSS streams, so you could subscribe to a graph of the week 'news' channel :) It does not have (maybe modable) syntax highlighting or category clustering. Cheers, Sander. Romain Francois wrote: Le 07.06.2005 12:36, Sander Oom a écrit : I agree that a wiki to facilitate submission of graph code could be very effective! Still needs to be well protected against vandalism. Seems a regular backup, to facilitate a clean restore, is the best approach. Romain, would you be willing to set up a wiki within the gallery. Think the wiki and gallery should be close to each other in cyber space! Sander, A lot of things are done after getting the code. Syntax highlighting for example. That can't (at least for now) be done online. Certain things will be wiki-like, the WISHLIST can be filled online, in a few days the keywors thing will come and users of the gallery will be able to fill it. Later, people will have the possibility to write a few words on a graph and not just give a note. Nevertheless, I don't think that all should be wikied. I use DokuWiki privately and it works wonders. Guess the database design will require a bit of thought. For each graph it should be possible to enter multiple categories and sub-categories. then the gallery interface should dynamically build galleries using these categories. Not sure if you would want to create 'meta' categories to facilitate multiple categorization approaches!? The keyword thing appears to be really popular and I think it's a good idea. Those keywords may be categorized in the future. That shouldn't be that hard to achieve that. The problem is time. R Graph Gallery is just something I am having fun with. ;-) We could start with a limited list such as suggested by Chris to populate the gallery in the first instance. Pleased to see this progress!! Sander. Thanks to all people who responded to that thread. It really helped me understanding how the things have to be done. Regards, Romain __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Dan Bolser wrote: ... I agree, but its hard to get people contributing without something centralized (some central autohrity). The problem with the existing wiki http://fawn.unibw-hamburg.de/cgi-bin/Rwiki.pl?RwikiHome Is that it currenlty does not support images (afaik). Counterexample: http://fawn.unibw-hamburg.de/cgi-bin/Rwiki.pl?Tips_And_Examples Dave -- Dr. David Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED](804)684-7900w [EMAIL PROTECTED] (804)642-0662h http://maplepark.com/~drf5n/ __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, David Forrest wrote: On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Dan Bolser wrote: ... I agree, but its hard to get people contributing without something centralized (some central autohrity). The problem with the existing wiki http://fawn.unibw-hamburg.de/cgi-bin/Rwiki.pl?RwikiHome Is that it currenlty does not support images (afaik). Counterexample: http://fawn.unibw-hamburg.de/cgi-bin/Rwiki.pl?Tips_And_Examples Great! We would need an image bin to support this though (for the average user). Dave __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Dan Bolser wrote: On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, David Forrest wrote: On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Dan Bolser wrote: ... I agree, but its hard to get people contributing without something centralized (some central autohrity). The problem with the existing wiki http://fawn.unibw-hamburg.de/cgi-bin/Rwiki.pl?RwikiHome Is that it currenlty does not support images (afaik). Counterexample: http://fawn.unibw-hamburg.de/cgi-bin/Rwiki.pl?Tips_And_Examples Great! We would need an image bin to support this though (for the average user). Something like http://www.imageshack.us/ perhaps? http://img97.echo.cx/img97/4207/teapot24fl.png or http://img97.echo.cx/my.php?image=teapot24fl.png Dave -- Dr. David Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED](804)684-7900w [EMAIL PROTECTED] (804)642-0662h http://maplepark.com/~drf5n/ __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Dan Bolser wrote: ... http://fawn.unibw-hamburg.de/cgi-bin/Rwiki.pl?Tips_And_Examples Great! We would need an image bin to support this though (for the average user). Hi Dan all http://fawn.unibw-hamburg.de/cgi-bin/Rwiki.pl?UsePictures This page demonstrates the use of pictures and the use of a public image server for hosting graphics files. Dave -- Dr. David Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED](804)684-7900w [EMAIL PROTECTED] (804)642-0662h http://maplepark.com/~drf5n/ __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Romain Francois wrote: Hello all, It seems that the next improvement to the R Graph Gallery is categorization of the graphics, that way each graph will be easier to find. That step should be done *carefully* if we want to avoid the opposite side-effect : graph not reachable through the categories. That's why the wisdom of the R community is required. Graphics will be classified in : - categories - sub-categories within those categories So far so good. The problem is the determination of those categories and sub-categories. Any thoughts are welcome. The gallery now has a TODO/WISHLIST : http://addictedtor.free.fr/graphiques/WISHLIST.php that waits for your accurate comments. I would humbly suggest that the underlying data (graphs/categories/etc) be organized in such a way as to allow multiple categorizations. That way there could be any number of different categorizations applied to the same graphs, as one overall categorization may reflect only one particular viewpoint. This way the chosen categories (however you decide to choose) would not be set in stone, but would be intimatly flexible. Also a single graph should be allowed to occur under multiple categories of a particular categorization. Just what I would like to see :) Dan. Regards. Romain __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs
Romain Francois wrote: Graphics will be classified in : - categories - sub-categories within those categories So far so good. Maybe, maybe not! Would a system of keywords work better than strict hierarchical categories, as long as plots can have more than one keyword attached? Someone might be interested in all 3d plots, or all plots related to model fitting, and these categories may not be distinct! Barry __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs
Romain Francois [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello all, It seems that the next improvement to the R Graph Gallery is categorization of the graphics, that way each graph will be easier to find. That step should be done *carefully* if we want to avoid the opposite side-effect : graph not reachable through the categories. That's why the wisdom of the R community is required. Graphics will be classified in : - categories - sub-categories within those categories So far so good. The problem is the determination of those categories and sub-categories. Any thoughts are welcome. The gallery now has a TODO/WISHLIST : http://addictedtor.free.fr/graphiques/WISHLIST.php that waits for your accurate comments. BTW, shouldn't there a way there from http://addictedtor.free.fr ? I seem to get stuck on the home page with nothing to click (except R and the labels on the left). -- O__ Peter Dalgaard Blegdamsvej 3 c/ /'_ --- Dept. of Biostatistics 2200 Cph. N (*) \(*) -- University of Copenhagen Denmark Ph: (+45) 35327918 ~~ - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) FAX: (+45) 35327907 __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs
Le 06.06.2005 17:21, Peter Dalgaard a écrit : Romain Francois [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello all, It seems that the next improvement to the R Graph Gallery is categorization of the graphics, that way each graph will be easier to find. That step should be done *carefully* if we want to avoid the opposite side-effect : graph not reachable through the categories. That's why the wisdom of the R community is required. Graphics will be classified in : - categories - sub-categories within those categories So far so good. The problem is the determination of those categories and sub-categories. Any thoughts are welcome. The gallery now has a TODO/WISHLIST : http://addictedtor.free.fr/graphiques/WISHLIST.php that waits for your accurate comments. BTW, shouldn't there a way there from http://addictedtor.free.fr ? I seem to get stuck on the home page with nothing to click (except R and the labels on the left). Hello Peter, My english fails me at understanding your question. I don't get stuck anywhere. Romain -- visit the R Graph Gallery : http://addictedtor.free.fr/graphiques ~ ~~ Romain FRANCOIS - http://addictedtor.free.fr ~~ Etudiant ISUP - CS3 - Industrie et Services ~~http://www.isup.cicrp.jussieu.fr/ ~~ Stagiaire INRIA Futurs - Equipe SELECT ~~ http://www.inria.fr/recherche/equipes/select.fr.html~~ ~ __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs
Barry Rowlingson wrote: Romain Francois wrote: Graphics will be classified in : - categories - sub-categories within those categories So far so good. Maybe, maybe not! Would a system of keywords work better than strict hierarchical categories, as long as plots can have more than one keyword attached? Someone might be interested in all 3d plots, or all plots related to model fitting, and these categories may not be distinct! Barry __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html The whole point of a gallery is to show something to the user before the user knows what he is looking for. The R help functions currently available are hopeless when you have a picture of a graph in your head without knowing the required commands. Thus a gallery based on some categorization is required. The gallery already has a search facility for 'un-categorized' searching. At the same time the gallery will provide cross links between different graphs using the same command/package or other similarities. I suggested that the categorization for sigmaplot graphs could be a useful start: http://www.systat.com/products/SigmaPlot/productinfo/?sec=1003 The gallery is based on a database, so keyword searching is no problem. Of course graphs will likely be members of more then one sub-category. This is also no problem thanks to the database approach! Hopefully we can agree on a categorization, such that we can start populating the gallery! Cheers, Sander. -- Dr Sander P. Oom Animal, Plant and Environmental Sciences, University of the Witwatersrand Private Bag 3, Wits 2050, South Africa Tel (work) +27 (0)11 717 64 04 Tel (home) +27 (0)18 297 44 51 Fax +27 (0)18 299 24 64 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.oomvanlieshout.net/sander __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Sander Oom wrote: Barry Rowlingson wrote: Romain Francois wrote: Graphics will be classified in : - categories - sub-categories within those categories So far so good. Maybe, maybe not! Would a system of keywords work better than strict hierarchical categories, as long as plots can have more than one keyword attached? Someone might be interested in all 3d plots, or all plots related to model fitting, and these categories may not be distinct! Barry __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html The whole point of a gallery is to show something to the user before the user knows what he is looking for. The R help functions currently available are hopeless when you have a picture of a graph in your head without knowing the required commands. Thus a gallery based on some categorization is required. The gallery already has a search facility for 'un-categorized' searching. At the same time the gallery will provide cross links between different graphs using the same command/package or other similarities. I suggested that the categorization for sigmaplot graphs could be a useful start: http://www.systat.com/products/SigmaPlot/productinfo/?sec=1003 Also cloning the windows graph picking galery couldn't be a bad thing (could it?) If you have access to a recent version of excel you will see what I mean. Click a general 'barplot' to see more specific barplots etc. Dan. The gallery is based on a database, so keyword searching is no problem. Of course graphs will likely be members of more then one sub-category. This is also no problem thanks to the database approach! Hopefully we can agree on a categorization, such that we can start populating the gallery! Cheers, Sander. __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Romain Francois wrote: Le 06.06.2005 17:21, Peter Dalgaard a écrit : ... BTW, shouldn't there a way there from http://addictedtor.free.fr ? I seem to get stuck on the home page with nothing to click (except R and the labels on the left). Hello Peter, My english fails me at understanding your question. I don't get stuck anywhere. Romain Perhaps the javascript menu on the left does not function on some browsers. Dave -- Dr. David Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED](804)684-7900w [EMAIL PROTECTED] (804)642-0662h http://maplepark.com/~drf5n/ __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs
Le 06.06.2005 22:30, David Forrest a écrit : BTW, shouldn't there a way there from http://addictedtor.free.fr ? I seem to get stuck on the home page with nothing to click (except R and the labels on the left). Hello Peter, My english fails me at understanding your question. I don't get stuck anywhere. Romain Perhaps the javascript menu on the left does not function on some browsers. Dave Indeed, that menu doesn't work on certain versions of Mozilla. Works ok with firefox and IE Romain -- visit the R Graph Gallery : http://addictedtor.free.fr/graphiques ~ ~~ Romain FRANCOIS - http://addictedtor.free.fr ~~ Etudiant ISUP - CS3 - Industrie et Services ~~http://www.isup.cicrp.jussieu.fr/ ~~ Stagiaire INRIA Futurs - Equipe SELECT ~~ http://www.inria.fr/recherche/equipes/select.fr.html~~ ~ __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Dan Bolser wrote: On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Romain Francois wrote: ... It seems that the next improvement to the R Graph Gallery is categorization of the graphics, that way each graph will be easier to find. That step should be done *carefully* if we want to avoid the opposite side-effect : graph not reachable through the categories. ... I would humbly suggest that the underlying data (graphs/categories/etc) be organized in such a way as to allow multiple categorizations. That way there could be any number of different categorizations applied to the same graphs, as one overall categorization may reflect only one particular viewpoint. Heartily seconded! This way the chosen categories (however you decide to choose) would not be set in stone, but would be intimatly flexible. Also a single graph should be allowed to occur under multiple categories of a particular categorization. ... An example of non-hierarchical categorization is the keyword-categorization method used by Wikis. See http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?CategoryCategory for an example. If a graph could be in multiple categories (3d, social science, color, publication ready/published) it could be identified with multiple keywords and dynamically listed in each of the sub-galleries. Dave -- Dr. David Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED](804)684-7900w [EMAIL PROTECTED] (804)642-0662h http://maplepark.com/~drf5n/ __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, David Forrest wrote: On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Dan Bolser wrote: On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Romain Francois wrote: ... It seems that the next improvement to the R Graph Gallery is categorization of the graphics, that way each graph will be easier to find. That step should be done *carefully* if we want to avoid the opposite side-effect : graph not reachable through the categories. ... I would humbly suggest that the underlying data (graphs/categories/etc) be organized in such a way as to allow multiple categorizations. That way there could be any number of different categorizations applied to the same graphs, as one overall categorization may reflect only one particular viewpoint. Heartily seconded! This way the chosen categories (however you decide to choose) would not be set in stone, but would be intimatly flexible. Also a single graph should be allowed to occur under multiple categories of a particular categorization. ... An example of non-hierarchical categorization is the keyword-categorization method used by Wikis. See http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?CategoryCategory for an example. MediaWiki has a nice system of categorization, it also makes galleries of images which have been categorized. It could be nice to have a mediaWiki R page... If a graph could be in multiple categories (3d, social science, color, publication ready/published) it could be identified with multiple keywords and dynamically listed in each of the sub-galleries. Dave __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R Graph Gallery : categorization of the graphs
Romain Francois wrote: Le 06.06.2005 22:30, David Forrest a écrit : BTW, shouldn't there a way there from http://addictedtor.free.fr ? I seem to get stuck on the home page with nothing to click (except R and the labels on the left). Hello Peter, My english fails me at understanding your question. I don't get stuck anywhere. Romain Perhaps the javascript menu on the left does not function on some browsers. Dave Indeed, that menu doesn't work on certain versions of Mozilla. Works ok with firefox and IE Romain Well, I have a firefox, but sometimes I am working on a bit old screen with 800x600 resolution and then it is not easy to use those eye candy javascript effects. I used to make some webpages some time ago, but I realized, that you never know the capabilities of end users, so you should try avoid such scripts, or provide some noscript tags. Best regards, Wojtek __ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
