Re: [R@ntau-Net] THE THREE POINTS OF THE AMMAN MESSAGE

2016-01-18 Terurut Topik Akmal Nasery Basral
Masih adakah jamaah Syi'ah Ja'fari dan Zaydi ini, dinda Fitr?
Terutama di Indonesia?

Wassalam,

ANB

2015-12-18 22:43 GMT+07:00 Fitrianto :

> Diakui oleh perwakilan NU and Muhammadiyah, pimpinan AlAzhar and Syaikh
> Yusuf Qardawi, dan juga oleh Raja Saudi dan Mufti Masjidil Aqsa, dan banyak
> ulama lainnya.
>
> Wassalam
>
> fitr
>
>
>
> *http://ammanmessage.com/index.php?option=com_content=view=91=74
> *
>
>
> *In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful*
>
> *May peace and blessings be upon the Prophet Muhammad and his pure and
> noble family*
>
> (1) Whosoever is an adherent to one of the four *Sunni* schools (
> *Mathahib*) of Islamic jurisprudence (*Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`i *and
> * Hanbali*), the two *Shi’i* schools of Islamic jurisprudence (*Ja`fari*
>  and*Zaydi*), the *Ibadi* school of Islamic jurisprudence and the
> *Thahiri* school of Islamic jurisprudence, is a Muslim. Declaring that
> person an apostate is impossible and impermissible. Verily his (or her)
> blood, honour, and property are inviolable. Moreover, in accordance with
> the Shaykh Al-Azhar’s*fatwa*, it is neither possible nor permissible to
> declare whosoever subscribes to the *Ash`ari *creed or whoever practices
> real *Tasawwuf *(Sufism) an apostate. Likewise, it is neither possible
> nor permissible to declare whosoever subscribes to true *Salafi* thought
> an apostate.
> Equally, it is neither possible nor permissible to declare as
> apostates any group of Muslims who believes in God, Glorified and Exalted
> be He, and His Messenger (may peace and blessings be upon him) and the
> pillars of faith, and acknowledges the five pillars of Islam, and does not
> deny any necessarily self-evident tenet of religion.
>
> (2) There exists more in common between the various schools of Islamic
> jurisprudence than there is difference between them. The adherents to the
> eight schools of Islamic jurisprudence are in agreement as regards the
> basic principles of Islam. All believe in Allah (God), Glorified and
> Exalted be He, the One and the Unique; that the Noble Qur’an is the
> Revealed Word of God; and that our master Muhammad, may blessings and peace
> be upon him, is a Prophet and Messenger unto all mankind. All are in
> agreement about the five pillars of Islam: the two testaments of faith (
> *shahadatayn*); the ritual prayer (*salat*); almsgiving (*zakat*);
> fasting the month of Ramadan (*sawm*), and the *Hajj* to the sacred house
> of God (in Mecca). All are also in agreement about the foundations of
> belief: belief in Allah (God), His angels, His scriptures, His messengers,
> and in the Day of Judgment, in Divine Providence in good and in evil.
> Disagreements between the *‘ulama*(scholars) of the eight schools of
> Islamic jurisprudence are only with respect to the ancillary branches of
> religion (*furu`*) and not as regards the principles and fundamentals (
> *usul*) [of the religion of Islam]. Disagreement with respect to the
> ancillary branches of religion (*furu`*) is a mercy. Long ago it was said
> that variance in opinion among the *‘ulama* (scholars) “is a good affair”.
>
> (3) Acknowledgement of the schools of Islamic jurisprudence (*Mathahib*)
> within Islam means adhering to a fundamental methodology in the issuance of
> *fatwa*s: no one may issue a *fatwa*without the requisite personal
> qualifications which each school of Islamic jurisprudence determines [for
> its own adherents]. No one may issue a *fatwa* without adhering to the
> methodology of the schools of Islamic jurisprudence. No one may claim to do
> unlimited *Ijtihad* and create a new school of Islamic jurisprudence or
> to issue unacceptable *fatwa*s that take Muslims out of the principles
> and certainties of the *Shari`ah* and what has been established in
> respect of its schools of jurisprudence.
> The Three Points of The Amman Message V.2
> 
>
> 2015-12-17 23:15 GMT-05:00 Fitrianto :
>
>> Syiah Ja'fari dan Syiah Zaidi adalah 2 mazhab yang diakui keislamannya
>> oleh para ulama sejak dahulu dan diperkuat lagi oleh risalah Amman 2005.
>>
>> Wassalam
>> Fitr
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Dec 17, 2015, at 8:56 PM, muhammad syahreza <
>> muhammadsyahr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Assalamu'alaikum wr.wb. Da Ronal
>>
>>
>> :-) Oke lah da.. ambo galak pulo mungkin uda manyimpulkan ambo masuak
>> kelompok Syiah..
>>
>>
>> Salam
>>
>> Reza
>>
>>
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Re: [R@ntau-Net] THE THREE POINTS OF THE AMMAN MESSAGE

2016-01-18 Terurut Topik Fitrianto
Ambo indak tau doh karena indak pernah mariset Syiah Indo tu, da Akmal.
Tapi sacaro resmi, Iran bamazhab Ja'fari dan memang pacahan dari Ja'fari ko
muncul Imamiyah nan indak disabuik dalam Deklarasi Amman.

Intinyo dek ambo, apokah inyo sacaro nyato nampak dek kito mencela atau
mengkafirkan shahabat Nabi SAW.
Kalau adoh nan sasek dari Syiah, dari Sunni pun banyak juo nan sasek,
tamasuak manyambah kuburan bagai, takfiri, dll...

Wassalam
fitr


On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Akmal Nasery Basral 
wrote:

> Masih adakah jamaah Syi'ah Ja'fari dan Zaydi ini, dinda Fitr?
> Terutama di Indonesia?
>
> Wassalam,
>
> ANB
>
> 2015-12-18 22:43 GMT+07:00 Fitrianto :
>
>> Diakui oleh perwakilan NU and Muhammadiyah, pimpinan AlAzhar and Syaikh
>> Yusuf Qardawi, dan juga oleh Raja Saudi dan Mufti Masjidil Aqsa, dan banyak
>> ulama lainnya.
>>
>> Wassalam
>>
>> fitr
>>
>>
>>
>> *http://ammanmessage.com/index.php?option=com_content=view=91=74
>> *
>>
>>
>> *In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful*
>>
>> *May peace and blessings be upon the Prophet Muhammad and his pure and
>> noble family*
>>
>> (1) Whosoever is an adherent to one of the four *Sunni* schools (
>> *Mathahib*) of Islamic jurisprudence (*Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`i *and
>> * Hanbali*), the two *Shi’i* schools of Islamic jurisprudence (*Ja`fari*
>>  and*Zaydi*), the *Ibadi* school of Islamic jurisprudence and the
>> *Thahiri* school of Islamic jurisprudence, is a Muslim. Declaring that
>> person an apostate is impossible and impermissible. Verily his (or her)
>> blood, honour, and property are inviolable. Moreover, in accordance with
>> the Shaykh Al-Azhar’s*fatwa*, it is neither possible nor permissible to
>> declare whosoever subscribes to the *Ash`ari *creed or whoever practices
>> real *Tasawwuf *(Sufism) an apostate. Likewise, it is neither possible
>> nor permissible to declare whosoever subscribes to true *Salafi* thought
>> an apostate.
>> Equally, it is neither possible nor permissible to declare as
>> apostates any group of Muslims who believes in God, Glorified and Exalted
>> be He, and His Messenger (may peace and blessings be upon him) and the
>> pillars of faith, and acknowledges the five pillars of Islam, and does not
>> deny any necessarily self-evident tenet of religion.
>>
>> (2) There exists more in common between the various schools of Islamic
>> jurisprudence than there is difference between them. The adherents to the
>> eight schools of Islamic jurisprudence are in agreement as regards the
>> basic principles of Islam. All believe in Allah (God), Glorified and
>> Exalted be He, the One and the Unique; that the Noble Qur’an is the
>> Revealed Word of God; and that our master Muhammad, may blessings and peace
>> be upon him, is a Prophet and Messenger unto all mankind. All are in
>> agreement about the five pillars of Islam: the two testaments of faith (
>> *shahadatayn*); the ritual prayer (*salat*); almsgiving (*zakat*);
>> fasting the month of Ramadan (*sawm*), and the *Hajj* to the sacred
>> house of God (in Mecca). All are also in agreement about the foundations of
>> belief: belief in Allah (God), His angels, His scriptures, His messengers,
>> and in the Day of Judgment, in Divine Providence in good and in evil.
>> Disagreements between the *‘ulama*(scholars) of the eight schools of
>> Islamic jurisprudence are only with respect to the ancillary branches of
>> religion (*furu`*) and not as regards the principles and fundamentals (
>> *usul*) [of the religion of Islam]. Disagreement with respect to the
>> ancillary branches of religion (*furu`*) is a mercy. Long ago it was
>> said that variance in opinion among the *‘ulama* (scholars) “is a good
>> affair”.
>>
>> (3) Acknowledgement of the schools of Islamic jurisprudence (*Mathahib*)
>> within Islam means adhering to a fundamental methodology in the issuance of
>> *fatwa*s: no one may issue a *fatwa*without the requisite personal
>> qualifications which each school of Islamic jurisprudence determines [for
>> its own adherents]. No one may issue a *fatwa* without adhering to the
>> methodology of the schools of Islamic jurisprudence. No one may claim to do
>> unlimited *Ijtihad* and create a new school of Islamic jurisprudence or
>> to issue unacceptable *fatwa*s that take Muslims out of the principles
>> and certainties of the *Shari`ah* and what has been established in
>> respect of its schools of jurisprudence.
>> The Three Points of The Amman Message V.2
>> 
>>
>> 2015-12-17 23:15 GMT-05:00 Fitrianto :
>>
>>> Syiah Ja'fari dan Syiah Zaidi adalah 2 mazhab yang diakui keislamannya
>>> oleh para ulama sejak dahulu dan diperkuat lagi oleh risalah Amman 2005.
>>>
>>> Wassalam
>>> Fitr
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2015, at 8:56 PM, muhammad syahreza <

[R@ntau-Net] THE THREE POINTS OF THE AMMAN MESSAGE

2015-12-18 Terurut Topik Fitrianto
Diakui oleh perwakilan NU and Muhammadiyah, pimpinan AlAzhar and Syaikh
Yusuf Qardawi, dan juga oleh Raja Saudi dan Mufti Masjidil Aqsa, dan banyak
ulama lainnya.

Wassalam

fitr



*http://ammanmessage.com/index.php?option=com_content=view=91=74
*


*In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful*

*May peace and blessings be upon the Prophet Muhammad and his pure and
noble family*

(1) Whosoever is an adherent to one of the four *Sunni* schools (*Mathahib*)
of Islamic jurisprudence (*Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`i *and* Hanbali*), the two
*Shi’i* schools of Islamic jurisprudence (*Ja`fari* and*Zaydi*), the
*Ibadi* school
of Islamic jurisprudence and the *Thahiri* school of Islamic jurisprudence,
is a Muslim. Declaring that person an apostate is impossible and
impermissible. Verily his (or her) blood, honour, and property are
inviolable. Moreover, in accordance with the Shaykh Al-Azhar’s*fatwa*, it
is neither possible nor permissible to declare whosoever subscribes to the
*Ash`ari *creed or whoever practices real *Tasawwuf *(Sufism) an apostate.
Likewise, it is neither possible nor permissible to declare whosoever
subscribes to true *Salafi* thought an apostate.
Equally, it is neither possible nor permissible to declare as
apostates any group of Muslims who believes in God, Glorified and Exalted
be He, and His Messenger (may peace and blessings be upon him) and the
pillars of faith, and acknowledges the five pillars of Islam, and does not
deny any necessarily self-evident tenet of religion.

(2) There exists more in common between the various schools of Islamic
jurisprudence than there is difference between them. The adherents to the
eight schools of Islamic jurisprudence are in agreement as regards the
basic principles of Islam. All believe in Allah (God), Glorified and
Exalted be He, the One and the Unique; that the Noble Qur’an is the
Revealed Word of God; and that our master Muhammad, may blessings and peace
be upon him, is a Prophet and Messenger unto all mankind. All are in
agreement about the five pillars of Islam: the two testaments of faith (
*shahadatayn*); the ritual prayer (*salat*); almsgiving (*zakat*); fasting
the month of Ramadan (*sawm*), and the *Hajj* to the sacred house of God
(in Mecca). All are also in agreement about the foundations of belief:
belief in Allah (God), His angels, His scriptures, His messengers, and in
the Day of Judgment, in Divine Providence in good and in evil.
Disagreements between the *‘ulama*(scholars) of the eight schools of
Islamic jurisprudence are only with respect to the ancillary branches of
religion (*furu`*) and not as regards the principles and fundamentals (
*usul*) [of the religion of Islam]. Disagreement with respect to the
ancillary branches of religion (*furu`*) is a mercy. Long ago it was said
that variance in opinion among the *‘ulama* (scholars) “is a good affair”.

(3) Acknowledgement of the schools of Islamic jurisprudence (*Mathahib*)
within Islam means adhering to a fundamental methodology in the issuance of
*fatwa*s: no one may issue a *fatwa*without the requisite personal
qualifications which each school of Islamic jurisprudence determines [for
its own adherents]. No one may issue a *fatwa* without adhering to the
methodology of the schools of Islamic jurisprudence. No one may claim to do
unlimited *Ijtihad* and create a new school of Islamic jurisprudence or to
issue unacceptable *fatwa*s that take Muslims out of the principles and
certainties of the *Shari`ah* and what has been established in respect of
its schools of jurisprudence.
The Three Points of The Amman Message V.2


2015-12-17 23:15 GMT-05:00 Fitrianto :

> Syiah Ja'fari dan Syiah Zaidi adalah 2 mazhab yang diakui keislamannya
> oleh para ulama sejak dahulu dan diperkuat lagi oleh risalah Amman 2005.
>
> Wassalam
> Fitr
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 17, 2015, at 8:56 PM, muhammad syahreza 
> wrote:
>
> Assalamu'alaikum wr.wb. Da Ronal
>
>
> :-) Oke lah da.. ambo galak pulo mungkin uda manyimpulkan ambo masuak
> kelompok Syiah..
>
>
> Salam
>
> Reza
>
>

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Re: [R@ntau-Net] THE THREE POINTS OF THE AMMAN MESSAGE

2015-12-18 Terurut Topik muhammad syahreza
Assalamu'alaikum wr.wb.


Qardhawi manarik dukungan nyo Da Fit, karano inyo kini masuak kelompok
oposisi di Suriah.
Walau Qardhawi manarik dukungan tantu indak manggugurkan kesepakatan Amman
yang ditandatangani banyak ulama di dunia.
Sabana  nyo isu Syiah sasek ko hanyo untuak kepentingan politik Saudi sajo
pasca Shah Iran direvolusi samo Khomenei. Karano sabalum hubungan Saudi
samo Iran sangaik mesra bana.. sadangkan Shah Iran agamo nyo Syiah..
Iko ambo ambiak dari salah satu web pandukuang kelompok oposisi di Suriah,
yang ambo pernah baco HT ko paramiliter IM sabalum mamisahkan diri dari IM,
di Indonesia kelompok IM ko banyak didukuang samo kawan-kawan dari PKS.
Bukti nyo katiko Mursi dikudeta samo Al Sisi PKS yang paliang kapanehan,
baitu juo katiko Al Sisi datang ka Indonesia PKS pun uring-uringan..

http://hizbut-tahrir.or.id/2014/06/03/relasi-iran-saudi-mengapa-saudi-berubah-sikap/

Tapi katiko bom bunuah diri di banyak tampek...??? Dari PKS hanyo
antok-antok sajo

Salam

Reza




On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Fitrianto  wrote:

> Diakui oleh perwakilan NU and Muhammadiyah, pimpinan AlAzhar and Syaikh
> Yusuf Qardawi, dan juga oleh Raja Saudi dan Mufti Masjidil Aqsa, dan banyak
> ulama lainnya.
>
> Wassalam
>
> fitr
>
>
>
> *http://ammanmessage.com/index.php?option=com_content=view=91=74
> *
>
>
> *In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful*
>
> *May peace and blessings be upon the Prophet Muhammad and his pure and
> noble family*
>
> (1) Whosoever is an adherent to one of the four *Sunni* schools (
> *Mathahib*) of Islamic jurisprudence (*Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`i *and
> * Hanbali*), the two *Shi’i* schools of Islamic jurisprudence (*Ja`fari*
>  and*Zaydi*), the *Ibadi* school of Islamic jurisprudence and the
> *Thahiri* school of Islamic jurisprudence, is a Muslim. Declaring that
> person an apostate is impossible and impermissible. Verily his (or her)
> blood, honour, and property are inviolable. Moreover, in accordance with
> the Shaykh Al-Azhar’s*fatwa*, it is neither possible nor permissible to
> declare whosoever subscribes to the *Ash`ari *creed or whoever practices
> real *Tasawwuf *(Sufism) an apostate. Likewise, it is neither possible
> nor permissible to declare whosoever subscribes to true *Salafi* thought
> an apostate.
> Equally, it is neither possible nor permissible to declare as
> apostates any group of Muslims who believes in God, Glorified and Exalted
> be He, and His Messenger (may peace and blessings be upon him) and the
> pillars of faith, and acknowledges the five pillars of Islam, and does not
> deny any necessarily self-evident tenet of religion.
>
> (2) There exists more in common between the various schools of Islamic
> jurisprudence than there is difference between them. The adherents to the
> eight schools of Islamic jurisprudence are in agreement as regards the
> basic principles of Islam. All believe in Allah (God), Glorified and
> Exalted be He, the One and the Unique; that the Noble Qur’an is the
> Revealed Word of God; and that our master Muhammad, may blessings and peace
> be upon him, is a Prophet and Messenger unto all mankind. All are in
> agreement about the five pillars of Islam: the two testaments of faith (
> *shahadatayn*); the ritual prayer (*salat*); almsgiving (*zakat*);
> fasting the month of Ramadan (*sawm*), and the *Hajj* to the sacred house
> of God (in Mecca). All are also in agreement about the foundations of
> belief: belief in Allah (God), His angels, His scriptures, His messengers,
> and in the Day of Judgment, in Divine Providence in good and in evil.
> Disagreements between the *‘ulama*(scholars) of the eight schools of
> Islamic jurisprudence are only with respect to the ancillary branches of
> religion (*furu`*) and not as regards the principles and fundamentals (
> *usul*) [of the religion of Islam]. Disagreement with respect to the
> ancillary branches of religion (*furu`*) is a mercy. Long ago it was said
> that variance in opinion among the *‘ulama* (scholars) “is a good affair”.
>
> (3) Acknowledgement of the schools of Islamic jurisprudence (*Mathahib*)
> within Islam means adhering to a fundamental methodology in the issuance of
> *fatwa*s: no one may issue a *fatwa*without the requisite personal
> qualifications which each school of Islamic jurisprudence determines [for
> its own adherents]. No one may issue a *fatwa* without adhering to the
> methodology of the schools of Islamic jurisprudence. No one may claim to do
> unlimited *Ijtihad* and create a new school of Islamic jurisprudence or
> to issue unacceptable *fatwa*s that take Muslims out of the principles
> and certainties of the *Shari`ah* and what has been established in
> respect of its schools of jurisprudence.
> The Three Points of The Amman Message V.2
> 
>
> 2015-12-17 23:15 GMT-05:00 

Re: [R@ntau-Net] THE THREE POINTS OF THE AMMAN MESSAGE

2015-12-18 Terurut Topik Fitrianto
Intinyo di ambo, Syiah indak otomatis sesat, karano spektrumnyo luas, salaweh 
nan mangaku Sunny. Nan sasek adalah nan mencaci maki bahkan mengkafirkan 
sahabat tarutamo khalifah tigo partamo.
Kelompok itulah nan diagiah namo Rafidhah dek imam Zayd, pendiri mazhab Zaydi.
Sedang imam Ja'far asshiddiq adolah guru dari imam Ahmad bin Hambal, pendiri 
mazhab Hambali.

Syaikh Qardawi mungkin kecewa dgn Iran yang mengaku secara resmi bermazhab 
Ja'fari, tapi dalam negaranyo caci maki terhadap sahabat dibiarkan.

Btw, kini zaman fitnah akhir zaman, nan makin manuntuik kito tuk labiah 
mandahulukan ilmu(mencari info nan benar) daripado amal (tindakan mendukung 
atau menentang sesuatu).

Wassalam
Fitr


mencaci

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 18, 2015, at 8:24 PM, muhammad syahreza  
> wrote:
> 
> Assalamu'alaikum wr.wb.
> 
> 
> Qardhawi manarik dukungan nyo Da Fit, karano inyo kini masuak kelompok 
> oposisi di Suriah.
> Walau Qardhawi manarik dukungan tantu indak manggugurkan kesepakatan Amman 
> yang ditandatangani banyak ulama di dunia.
> Sabana  nyo isu Syiah sasek ko hanyo untuak kepentingan politik Saudi sajo 
> pasca Shah Iran direvolusi samo Khomenei. Karano sabalum hubungan Saudi samo 
> Iran sangaik mesra bana.. sadangkan Shah Iran agamo nyo Syiah..
> Iko ambo ambiak dari salah satu web pandukuang kelompok oposisi di Suriah, 
> yang ambo pernah baco HT ko paramiliter IM sabalum mamisahkan diri dari IM, 
> di Indonesia kelompok IM ko banyak didukuang samo kawan-kawan dari PKS. Bukti 
> nyo katiko Mursi dikudeta samo Al Sisi PKS yang paliang kapanehan, baitu juo 
> katiko Al Sisi datang ka Indonesia PKS pun uring-uringan.. 
> 
> http://hizbut-tahrir.or.id/2014/06/03/relasi-iran-saudi-mengapa-saudi-berubah-sikap/
> 
> Tapi katiko bom bunuah diri di banyak tampek...??? Dari PKS hanyo antok-antok 
> sajo
> 
> Salam
> 
> Reza
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Fitrianto  wrote:
>> Diakui oleh perwakilan NU and Muhammadiyah, pimpinan AlAzhar and Syaikh 
>> Yusuf Qardawi, dan juga oleh Raja Saudi dan Mufti Masjidil Aqsa, dan banyak 
>> ulama lainnya.
>> 
>> Wassalam
>> 
>> fitr
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://ammanmessage.com/index.php?option=com_content=view=91=74
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
>> 
>> May peace and blessings be upon the Prophet Muhammad and his pure and noble 
>> family
>> 
>> (1) Whosoever is an adherent to one of the four Sunni schools (Mathahib) of 
>> Islamic jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`i and Hanbali), the two Shi’i 
>> schools of Islamic jurisprudence (Ja`fari andZaydi), the Ibadi school of 
>> Islamic jurisprudence and the Thahiri school of Islamic jurisprudence, is a 
>> Muslim. Declaring that person an apostate is impossible and impermissible. 
>> Verily his (or her) blood, honour, and property are inviolable. Moreover, in 
>> accordance with the Shaykh Al-Azhar’sfatwa, it is neither possible nor 
>> permissible to declare whosoever subscribes to the Ash`ari creed or whoever 
>> practices real Tasawwuf (Sufism) an apostate. Likewise, it is neither 
>> possible nor permissible to declare whosoever subscribes to true Salafi 
>> thought an apostate. 
>> Equally, it is neither possible nor permissible to declare as 
>> apostates any group of Muslims who believes in God, Glorified and Exalted be 
>> He, and His Messenger (may peace and blessings be upon him) and the pillars 
>> of faith, and acknowledges the five pillars of Islam, and does not deny any 
>> necessarily self-evident tenet of religion.
>> 
>> (2) There exists more in common between the various schools of Islamic 
>> jurisprudence than there is difference between them. The adherents to the 
>> eight schools of Islamic jurisprudence are in agreement as regards the basic 
>> principles of Islam. All believe in Allah (God), Glorified and Exalted be 
>> He, the One and the Unique; that the Noble Qur’an is the Revealed Word of 
>> God; and that our master Muhammad, may blessings and peace be upon him, is a 
>> Prophet and Messenger unto all mankind. All are in agreement about the five 
>> pillars of Islam: the two testaments of faith (shahadatayn); the ritual 
>> prayer (salat); almsgiving (zakat); fasting the month of Ramadan (sawm), and 
>> the Hajj to the sacred house of God (in Mecca). All are also in agreement 
>> about the foundations of belief: belief in Allah (God), His angels, His 
>> scriptures, His messengers, and in the Day of Judgment, in Divine Providence 
>> in good and in evil. Disagreements between the ‘ulama(scholars) of the eight 
>> schools of Islamic jurisprudence are only with respect to the ancillary 
>> branches of religion (furu`) and not as regards the principles and 
>> fundamentals (usul) [of the religion of Islam]. Disagreement with respect to 
>> the ancillary branches of religion (furu`) is a mercy. Long ago it was said 
>> that variance in opinion among the ‘ulama (scholars) “is a good 

Re: [R@ntau-Net] THE THREE POINTS OF THE AMMAN MESSAGE

2015-12-18 Terurut Topik Ronald P Putra
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/03/protests-planned-egyptian-president-sisi-uk-visit

http://egyptianstreets.com/2015/09/29/egyptian-journalists-assaulted-by-anti-sisi-protesters-in-new-york/

https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/06/08/egypt-year-abuses-under-al-sisi

Saluruah dunia yg memprotes kudeta tak sah penjahat As Sisi ko, tapi yg
nampak dek Reza cuma PKS sajo ... :-)

Wassalam
Ronald
On Dec 19, 2015 8:24 AM, "muhammad syahreza" 
wrote:

> Assalamu'alaikum wr.wb.
>
>
> Qardhawi manarik dukungan nyo Da Fit, karano inyo kini masuak kelompok
> oposisi di Suriah.
> Walau Qardhawi manarik dukungan tantu indak manggugurkan kesepakatan Amman
> yang ditandatangani banyak ulama di dunia.
> Sabana  nyo isu Syiah sasek ko hanyo untuak kepentingan politik Saudi sajo
> pasca Shah Iran direvolusi samo Khomenei. Karano sabalum hubungan Saudi
> samo Iran sangaik mesra bana.. sadangkan Shah Iran agamo nyo Syiah..
> Iko ambo ambiak dari salah satu web pandukuang kelompok oposisi di Suriah,
> yang ambo pernah baco HT ko paramiliter IM sabalum mamisahkan diri dari IM,
> di Indonesia kelompok IM ko banyak didukuang samo kawan-kawan dari PKS.
> Bukti nyo katiko Mursi dikudeta samo Al Sisi PKS yang paliang kapanehan,
> baitu juo katiko Al Sisi datang ka Indonesia PKS pun uring-uringan..
>
>
> http://hizbut-tahrir.or.id/2014/06/03/relasi-iran-saudi-mengapa-saudi-berubah-sikap/
>
> Tapi katiko bom bunuah diri di banyak tampek...??? Dari PKS hanyo
> antok-antok sajo
>
> Salam
>
> Reza
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Fitrianto 
> wrote:
>
>> Diakui oleh perwakilan NU and Muhammadiyah, pimpinan AlAzhar and Syaikh
>> Yusuf Qardawi, dan juga oleh Raja Saudi dan Mufti Masjidil Aqsa, dan banyak
>> ulama lainnya.
>>
>> Wassalam
>>
>> fitr
>>
>>
>>
>> *http://ammanmessage.com/index.php?option=com_content=view=91=74
>> *
>>
>>
>> *In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful*
>>
>> *May peace and blessings be upon the Prophet Muhammad and his pure and
>> noble family*
>>
>> (1) Whosoever is an adherent to one of the four *Sunni* schools (
>> *Mathahib*) of Islamic jurisprudence (*Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`i *and
>> * Hanbali*), the two *Shi’i* schools of Islamic jurisprudence (*Ja`fari*
>>  and*Zaydi*), the *Ibadi* school of Islamic jurisprudence and the
>> *Thahiri* school of Islamic jurisprudence, is a Muslim. Declaring that
>> person an apostate is impossible and impermissible. Verily his (or her)
>> blood, honour, and property are inviolable. Moreover, in accordance with
>> the Shaykh Al-Azhar’s*fatwa*, it is neither possible nor permissible to
>> declare whosoever subscribes to the *Ash`ari *creed or whoever practices
>> real *Tasawwuf *(Sufism) an apostate. Likewise, it is neither possible
>> nor permissible to declare whosoever subscribes to true *Salafi* thought
>> an apostate.
>> Equally, it is neither possible nor permissible to declare as
>> apostates any group of Muslims who believes in God, Glorified and Exalted
>> be He, and His Messenger (may peace and blessings be upon him) and the
>> pillars of faith, and acknowledges the five pillars of Islam, and does not
>> deny any necessarily self-evident tenet of religion.
>>
>> (2) There exists more in common between the various schools of Islamic
>> jurisprudence than there is difference between them. The adherents to the
>> eight schools of Islamic jurisprudence are in agreement as regards the
>> basic principles of Islam. All believe in Allah (God), Glorified and
>> Exalted be He, the One and the Unique; that the Noble Qur’an is the
>> Revealed Word of God; and that our master Muhammad, may blessings and peace
>> be upon him, is a Prophet and Messenger unto all mankind. All are in
>> agreement about the five pillars of Islam: the two testaments of faith (
>> *shahadatayn*); the ritual prayer (*salat*); almsgiving (*zakat*);
>> fasting the month of Ramadan (*sawm*), and the *Hajj* to the sacred
>> house of God (in Mecca). All are also in agreement about the foundations of
>> belief: belief in Allah (God), His angels, His scriptures, His messengers,
>> and in the Day of Judgment, in Divine Providence in good and in evil.
>> Disagreements between the *‘ulama*(scholars) of the eight schools of
>> Islamic jurisprudence are only with respect to the ancillary branches of
>> religion (*furu`*) and not as regards the principles and fundamentals (
>> *usul*) [of the religion of Islam]. Disagreement with respect to the
>> ancillary branches of religion (*furu`*) is a mercy. Long ago it was
>> said that variance in opinion among the *‘ulama* (scholars) “is a good
>> affair”.
>>
>> (3) Acknowledgement of the schools of Islamic jurisprudence (*Mathahib*)
>> within Islam means adhering to a fundamental methodology in the issuance of
>> *fatwa*s: no one may issue a *fatwa*without the requisite personal
>> qualifications which each school of 

Re: [R@ntau-Net] THE THREE POINTS OF THE AMMAN MESSAGE

2015-12-18 Terurut Topik muhammad syahreza
Assalamu'alaikum wr.wb. Da Ronald


Soal nyo kawan-kawan ambo dari PKS paliang rajin update soal kudeta Mursi
ko saat tu di Sosmed da :-)
Btw siapo nan mangucapkan selamat katiko Al Sisi tapiliah jadi Presiden
Mesir da Ronald??
Ambo ambiak di Web HTI yo Da (bukan berarti ambo pendukung HTI da).
http://hizbut-tahrir.or.id/2014/06/21/tak-puas-hanya-ucapkan-selamat-raja-arab-saudi-sambangi-sisi/
dan dari Islam Pos
https://www.islampos.com/pemimpin-pemimpin-negara-ini-ramai-ramai-ucapkan-selamat-pada-al-sisi-113933/


Salam

Reza

2015-12-19 9:44 GMT+07:00 Ronald P Putra :

>
> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/03/protests-planned-egyptian-president-sisi-uk-visit
>
>
> http://egyptianstreets.com/2015/09/29/egyptian-journalists-assaulted-by-anti-sisi-protesters-in-new-york/
>
> https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/06/08/egypt-year-abuses-under-al-sisi
>
> Saluruah dunia yg memprotes kudeta tak sah penjahat As Sisi ko, tapi yg
> nampak dek Reza cuma PKS sajo ... :-)
>
> Wassalam
> Ronald
> On Dec 19, 2015 8:24 AM, "muhammad syahreza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Assalamu'alaikum wr.wb.
>>
>>
>> Qardhawi manarik dukungan nyo Da Fit, karano inyo kini masuak kelompok
>> oposisi di Suriah.
>> Walau Qardhawi manarik dukungan tantu indak manggugurkan kesepakatan
>> Amman yang ditandatangani banyak ulama di dunia.
>> Sabana  nyo isu Syiah sasek ko hanyo untuak kepentingan politik Saudi
>> sajo pasca Shah Iran direvolusi samo Khomenei. Karano sabalum hubungan
>> Saudi samo Iran sangaik mesra bana.. sadangkan Shah Iran agamo nyo Syiah..
>> Iko ambo ambiak dari salah satu web pandukuang kelompok oposisi di
>> Suriah, yang ambo pernah baco HT ko paramiliter IM sabalum mamisahkan diri
>> dari IM, di Indonesia kelompok IM ko banyak didukuang samo kawan-kawan dari
>> PKS. Bukti nyo katiko Mursi dikudeta samo Al Sisi PKS yang paliang
>> kapanehan, baitu juo katiko Al Sisi datang ka Indonesia PKS pun
>> uring-uringan..
>>
>>
>> http://hizbut-tahrir.or.id/2014/06/03/relasi-iran-saudi-mengapa-saudi-berubah-sikap/
>>
>> Tapi katiko bom bunuah diri di banyak tampek...??? Dari PKS hanyo
>> antok-antok sajo
>>
>> Salam
>>
>> Reza
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Fitrianto 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Diakui oleh perwakilan NU and Muhammadiyah, pimpinan AlAzhar and Syaikh
>>> Yusuf Qardawi, dan juga oleh Raja Saudi dan Mufti Masjidil Aqsa, dan banyak
>>> ulama lainnya.
>>>
>>> Wassalam
>>>
>>> fitr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *http://ammanmessage.com/index.php?option=com_content=view=91=74
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful*
>>>
>>> *May peace and blessings be upon the Prophet Muhammad and his pure and
>>> noble family*
>>>
>>> (1) Whosoever is an adherent to one of the four *Sunni* schools (
>>> *Mathahib*) of Islamic jurisprudence (*Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`i *and
>>> * Hanbali*), the two *Shi’i* schools of Islamic jurisprudence (*Ja`fari*
>>>  and*Zaydi*), the *Ibadi* school of Islamic jurisprudence and the
>>> *Thahiri* school of Islamic jurisprudence, is a Muslim. Declaring that
>>> person an apostate is impossible and impermissible. Verily his (or her)
>>> blood, honour, and property are inviolable. Moreover, in accordance with
>>> the Shaykh Al-Azhar’s*fatwa*, it is neither possible nor permissible to
>>> declare whosoever subscribes to the *Ash`ari *creed or whoever
>>> practices real *Tasawwuf *(Sufism) an apostate. Likewise, it is neither
>>> possible nor permissible to declare whosoever subscribes to true
>>> *Salafi* thought an apostate.
>>> Equally, it is neither possible nor permissible to declare
>>> as apostates any group of Muslims who believes in God, Glorified and
>>> Exalted be He, and His Messenger (may peace and blessings be upon him) and
>>> the pillars of faith, and acknowledges the five pillars of Islam, and does
>>> not deny any necessarily self-evident tenet of religion.
>>>
>>> (2) There exists more in common between the various schools of Islamic
>>> jurisprudence than there is difference between them. The adherents to the
>>> eight schools of Islamic jurisprudence are in agreement as regards the
>>> basic principles of Islam. All believe in Allah (God), Glorified and
>>> Exalted be He, the One and the Unique; that the Noble Qur’an is the
>>> Revealed Word of God; and that our master Muhammad, may blessings and peace
>>> be upon him, is a Prophet and Messenger unto all mankind. All are in
>>> agreement about the five pillars of Islam: the two testaments of faith (
>>> *shahadatayn*); the ritual prayer (*salat*); almsgiving (*zakat*);
>>> fasting the month of Ramadan (*sawm*), and the *Hajj* to the sacred
>>> house of God (in Mecca). All are also in agreement about the foundations of
>>> belief: belief in Allah (God), His angels, His scriptures, His messengers,
>>> and in the Day of Judgment, in Divine Providence in good and in evil.
>>> 

Re: [R@ntau-Net] THE THREE POINTS OF THE AMMAN MESSAGE

2015-12-18 Terurut Topik Ronald P Putra
Heran samo Reza,

Ujuang-ujuangnyo PKS :-)

Wassalam
Ronald
On Dec 19, 2015 8:24 AM, "muhammad syahreza" 
wrote:

> Assalamu'alaikum wr.wb.
>
>
> Qardhawi manarik dukungan nyo Da Fit, karano inyo kini masuak kelompok
> oposisi di Suriah.
> Walau Qardhawi manarik dukungan tantu indak manggugurkan kesepakatan Amman
> yang ditandatangani banyak ulama di dunia.
> Sabana  nyo isu Syiah sasek ko hanyo untuak kepentingan politik Saudi sajo
> pasca Shah Iran direvolusi samo Khomenei. Karano sabalum hubungan Saudi
> samo Iran sangaik mesra bana.. sadangkan Shah Iran agamo nyo Syiah..
> Iko ambo ambiak dari salah satu web pandukuang kelompok oposisi di Suriah,
> yang ambo pernah baco HT ko paramiliter IM sabalum mamisahkan diri dari IM,
> di Indonesia kelompok IM ko banyak didukuang samo kawan-kawan dari PKS.
> Bukti nyo katiko Mursi dikudeta samo Al Sisi PKS yang paliang kapanehan,
> baitu juo katiko Al Sisi datang ka Indonesia PKS pun uring-uringan..
>
>
> http://hizbut-tahrir.or.id/2014/06/03/relasi-iran-saudi-mengapa-saudi-berubah-sikap/
>
> Tapi katiko bom bunuah diri di banyak tampek...??? Dari PKS hanyo
> antok-antok sajo
>
> Salam
>
> Reza
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Fitrianto 
> wrote:
>
>> Diakui oleh perwakilan NU and Muhammadiyah, pimpinan AlAzhar and Syaikh
>> Yusuf Qardawi, dan juga oleh Raja Saudi dan Mufti Masjidil Aqsa, dan banyak
>> ulama lainnya.
>>
>> Wassalam
>>
>> fitr
>>
>>
>>
>> *http://ammanmessage.com/index.php?option=com_content=view=91=74
>> *
>>
>>
>> *In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful*
>>
>> *May peace and blessings be upon the Prophet Muhammad and his pure and
>> noble family*
>>
>> (1) Whosoever is an adherent to one of the four *Sunni* schools (
>> *Mathahib*) of Islamic jurisprudence (*Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`i *and
>> * Hanbali*), the two *Shi’i* schools of Islamic jurisprudence (*Ja`fari*
>>  and*Zaydi*), the *Ibadi* school of Islamic jurisprudence and the
>> *Thahiri* school of Islamic jurisprudence, is a Muslim. Declaring that
>> person an apostate is impossible and impermissible. Verily his (or her)
>> blood, honour, and property are inviolable. Moreover, in accordance with
>> the Shaykh Al-Azhar’s*fatwa*, it is neither possible nor permissible to
>> declare whosoever subscribes to the *Ash`ari *creed or whoever practices
>> real *Tasawwuf *(Sufism) an apostate. Likewise, it is neither possible
>> nor permissible to declare whosoever subscribes to true *Salafi* thought
>> an apostate.
>> Equally, it is neither possible nor permissible to declare as
>> apostates any group of Muslims who believes in God, Glorified and Exalted
>> be He, and His Messenger (may peace and blessings be upon him) and the
>> pillars of faith, and acknowledges the five pillars of Islam, and does not
>> deny any necessarily self-evident tenet of religion.
>>
>> (2) There exists more in common between the various schools of Islamic
>> jurisprudence than there is difference between them. The adherents to the
>> eight schools of Islamic jurisprudence are in agreement as regards the
>> basic principles of Islam. All believe in Allah (God), Glorified and
>> Exalted be He, the One and the Unique; that the Noble Qur’an is the
>> Revealed Word of God; and that our master Muhammad, may blessings and peace
>> be upon him, is a Prophet and Messenger unto all mankind. All are in
>> agreement about the five pillars of Islam: the two testaments of faith (
>> *shahadatayn*); the ritual prayer (*salat*); almsgiving (*zakat*);
>> fasting the month of Ramadan (*sawm*), and the *Hajj* to the sacred
>> house of God (in Mecca). All are also in agreement about the foundations of
>> belief: belief in Allah (God), His angels, His scriptures, His messengers,
>> and in the Day of Judgment, in Divine Providence in good and in evil.
>> Disagreements between the *‘ulama*(scholars) of the eight schools of
>> Islamic jurisprudence are only with respect to the ancillary branches of
>> religion (*furu`*) and not as regards the principles and fundamentals (
>> *usul*) [of the religion of Islam]. Disagreement with respect to the
>> ancillary branches of religion (*furu`*) is a mercy. Long ago it was
>> said that variance in opinion among the *‘ulama* (scholars) “is a good
>> affair”.
>>
>> (3) Acknowledgement of the schools of Islamic jurisprudence (*Mathahib*)
>> within Islam means adhering to a fundamental methodology in the issuance of
>> *fatwa*s: no one may issue a *fatwa*without the requisite personal
>> qualifications which each school of Islamic jurisprudence determines [for
>> its own adherents]. No one may issue a *fatwa* without adhering to the
>> methodology of the schools of Islamic jurisprudence. No one may claim to do
>> unlimited *Ijtihad* and create a new school of Islamic jurisprudence or
>> to issue unacceptable *fatwa*s that take Muslims out of the principles