[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
I rode for many years with traditional campy or french pedals, clips and straps paired with italian ballet slippers. I thought I would never get used to anything else. 10 or so years ago I tried clipless pedals and never looked back. I have A530's on my commuter bikes and some form of SPD on everything else including my fixed gear. I do have a pair of egg beaters and a pair of campy Look compatible that I want to try out. I like the idea of jumping on the bike with whatever I'm wearing at the time and riding around on platform pedals but, like a lot of things in life, reality doesn't seem as good as the idea. I like to feel attached to the bike. GeorgeS On Oct 12, 6:36 pm, Pierre pierre.lacha...@live.ca wrote: This year, I've retrograded back to traditional quill pedals and toe clips. I started out with toe clips decades ago, succumbed to clipless in 1998, vascillated between clipless and toe clips once or twice a year, and this season, I've been all toe clip. At first, the retro switch came this spring when they started some serious road rebuilding where I live, making it necessary to walk my bike here and there (due to sharing narrow, temporary construction pathways with pedestrians). This rammed home what I've already known for years, and that is, walkable SPD or compatible shoes are not all that walkable except on the most perfectly smooth and even surfaces. A few too many crunching sessions made me decide to put my old Campy quill pedals back on, so I could ride with any ordinary athletic shoe. I've liked the freedom so much since that I have no intention of reverting back to clipless. Look, I like to ride fast, I spin and all that, but I know I can do that just as well with traditional pedals and toe clips. Pierre --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] FS: Non-aero, all metal Dura Ace brake levers, no hoods
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[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Oct 12, 3:40 pm, Steve Wimberg st...@stevewimberg.com wrote: A friend suggested SPDs so I could actually walk in the shoes (at least to go into a convenience store without falling on my ass). He also felt that cycling shoes makes your pedal stroke more efficient and that it might alleviate the numbness because the force of the stroke is being spread out over a larger area than just the pedal surface. I have the exact opposite experience. I can't go more than about 8 or 10 miles with a cleated pedal system before getting hot spots and my feet feel like they're on fire. It's worse with the SPD type cleats as they have a much smaller contact point. Road-specific cleats, which are broader, don't bother me quite as much but then again you can't walk in them. I use large platform BMX pedals and have yet to have my foot leave the pedal unintentionally. In fact, I usually ride in hiking shoes and am thinking of switching to something with less tread pattern as the hiking shoes virtually lock me to the pedals. I am considering a set of the these half-clips though: http://velo-orange.com/mkshalfclip.html For my purposes, those look like a perfect compromise. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 03:41 -0700, ToddBS wrote: On Oct 12, 3:40 pm, Steve Wimberg st...@stevewimberg.com wrote: A friend suggested SPDs so I could actually walk in the shoes (at least to go into a convenience store without falling on my ass). He also felt that cycling shoes makes your pedal stroke more efficient and that it might alleviate the numbness because the force of the stroke is being spread out over a larger area than just the pedal surface. I have the exact opposite experience. I can't go more than about 8 or 10 miles with a cleated pedal system before getting hot spots and my feet feel like they're on fire. It's worse with the SPD type cleats as they have a much smaller contact point. There's a reasonable chance this has nothing at all to do with the pedals and everything to do with your shoes. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
I'd take it one step further and say it has everything to do with your shoes - or at least where the cleats are fastened to the shoes. Bill In a message dated 10/13/2009 7:00:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, palin...@his.com writes: There's a reasonable chance this has nothing at all to do with the pedals and everything to do with your shoes. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:36 -0700, Pierre wrote: At first, the retro switch came this spring when they started some serious road rebuilding where I live, making it necessary to walk my bike here and there (due to sharing narrow, temporary construction pathways with pedestrians). This rammed home what I've already known for years, and that is, walkable SPD or compatible shoes are not all that walkable except on the most perfectly smooth and even surfaces. A few too many crunching sessions made me decide to put my old Campy quill pedals back on, so I could ride with any ordinary athletic shoe. I will never forget my first century attempt, in 1973 wearing athletic shoes (we called them sneakers in those days) with my Campagnolo Record quill pedals. (I also wore shorts made from cut-off denim trousers with briefs underneath, and did not wear gloves.) I can still feel the burning lines of fire in my feet whenever I think of it. Maybe the walkability of SPD shoes depends on the shoes. I have no difficulty at all walking with my Sidi Dominators on uneven surfaces or smooth ones. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
I have tried 3 different clipless pedal systems, with 3 different pairs of shoes, but each time, I came back to flat pedals. I see some advantage of being attached, but not enough to make it worth changing shoes. And on long rides, being locked in one place actually causes more fatigue and discomfort than free-floating on MKS Sylvan Touring pedals. I have become so accustomed to letting my foot roam around the pedal that even spiky bmx pedals seem too restrictive (I have bmx pedals on my fixed-gear and on my unicycle (ouch!)). For all types of riding, I use thin-soled, flimsy shoes, by the way. Anybody who does it differently is clearly wrong, and probably has a range of other moral failings. On Oct 13, 6:17 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:36 -0700, Pierre wrote: At first, the retro switch came this spring when they started some serious road rebuilding where I live, making it necessary to walk my bike here and there (due to sharing narrow, temporary construction pathways with pedestrians). This rammed home what I've already known for years, and that is, walkable SPD or compatible shoes are not all that walkable except on the most perfectly smooth and even surfaces. A few too many crunching sessions made me decide to put my old Campy quill pedals back on, so I could ride with any ordinary athletic shoe. I will never forget my first century attempt, in 1973 wearing athletic shoes (we called them sneakers in those days) with my Campagnolo Record quill pedals. (I also wore shorts made from cut-off denim trousers with briefs underneath, and did not wear gloves.) I can still feel the burning lines of fire in my feet whenever I think of it. Maybe the walkability of SPD shoes depends on the shoes. I have no difficulty at all walking with my Sidi Dominators on uneven surfaces or smooth ones. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: riv vapor barriers
I was hoping to hear some reviews too. I have an outdoorsy friend who has tried his vapor barrier with mixed results here in the Colorado mountains. I think Grant's discussion of how to use it, under the product description, is quite useful. But I am a little intimidated to just take a summer bag out this time of year with the vapor barrier. Perhaps I will take some of those chemical handwarmers as thermal backup. We have a 2 nighter planned for late Oct. I will report back. On Oct 12, 10:09 am, pecanpie jupiterthunderb...@yahoo.com wrote: hi all i bought the wiggy's sleeping bag and love it, but the vapor barrier gives me the willies just touching it.that stretchy plastic feel just gives me the creeps. have any of you bought the vapor barrier from riv. im wondering if it is worth suffering through the weird feel if it really works. i doubt ill ever be camping below freezing anyway. so maybe i dont need it. thanks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 04:47 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I have tried 3 different clipless pedal systems, with 3 different pairs of shoes, but each time, I came back to flat pedals. I see some advantage of being attached, but not enough to make it worth changing shoes. And on long rides, being locked in one place actually causes more fatigue and discomfort than free-floating on MKS Sylvan Touring pedals. I have become so accustomed to letting my foot roam around the pedal that even spiky bmx pedals seem too restrictive (I have bmx pedals on my fixed-gear and on my unicycle (ouch!)). For all types of riding, I use thin-soled, flimsy shoes, by the way. Anybody who does it differently is clearly wrong, and probably has a range of other moral failings. How, I wonder, do you keep your feet from coming off the pedals accidentally? Talk about fatigue and discomfort - when my feet roam around, even on my townie/errand bike, I find they have an alarming tendency to come off the pedal or to be misaligned, and it seems like a lot of work to me to constantly have to think about foot placement. That's fine for a short-distance townie, where the emphasis is on off-bike activities like walking around in the supermarket, but when I'm actually out for a ride, forget it! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
After each episode of clipless experimentation, two of which lasted several months, I found that my feet felt sloppy and tended to slip off the flat pedals. I attribute this to the bad habits I learned by having my feet attached. Luckily, the sloppiness is quickly unlearned, and I don't have any slipping issues, nor do I expend much physical or mental effort trying to keep my feet on the pedals. On Oct 13, 7:15 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 04:47 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I have tried 3 different clipless pedal systems, with 3 different pairs of shoes, but each time, I came back to flat pedals. I see some advantage of being attached, but not enough to make it worth changing shoes. And on long rides, being locked in one place actually causes more fatigue and discomfort than free-floating on MKS Sylvan Touring pedals. I have become so accustomed to letting my foot roam around the pedal that even spiky bmx pedals seem too restrictive (I have bmx pedals on my fixed-gear and on my unicycle (ouch!)). For all types of riding, I use thin-soled, flimsy shoes, by the way. Anybody who does it differently is clearly wrong, and probably has a range of other moral failings. How, I wonder, do you keep your feet from coming off the pedals accidentally? Talk about fatigue and discomfort - when my feet roam around, even on my townie/errand bike, I find they have an alarming tendency to come off the pedal or to be misaligned, and it seems like a lot of work to me to constantly have to think about foot placement. That's fine for a short-distance townie, where the emphasis is on off-bike activities like walking around in the supermarket, but when I'm actually out for a ride, forget it! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
And on long rides, being locked in one place actually causes more fatigue and discomfort than free-floating on MKS Sylvan Touring pedals. I have become so accustomed to letting my foot roam around the pedal that even spiky bmx pedals seem too restrictive (I have bmx pedals on my fixed-gear and on my unicycle (ouch!)). For all types of riding, I use thin-soled, flimsy shoes, by the way. I am pretty much with you. Regular shoes on plain pedals works well for me. Recently I bought a set of White pedals for my commuter. I use the Bruce Gordon half clip. Except for the metal residue mess on my shoes, it works quite well. In fact, I see where Mr. Gordon now offers White pedals and half clips combined at a discount: http://bgcycles.com/accessories.html Anybody who does it differently is clearly wrong, and probably has a range of other moral failings. Hilarious! On Oct 13, 6:47 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: I have tried 3 different clipless pedal systems, with 3 different pairs of shoes, but each time, I came back to flat pedals. I see some advantage of being attached, but not enough to make it worth changing shoes. And on long rides, being locked in one place actually causes more fatigue and discomfort than free-floating on MKS Sylvan Touring pedals. I have become so accustomed to letting my foot roam around the pedal that even spiky bmx pedals seem too restrictive (I have bmx pedals on my fixed-gear and on my unicycle (ouch!)). For all types of riding, I use thin-soled, flimsy shoes, by the way. Anybody who does it differently is clearly wrong, and probably has a range of other moral failings. On Oct 13, 6:17 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:36 -0700, Pierre wrote: At first, the retro switch came this spring when they started some serious road rebuilding where I live, making it necessary to walk my bike here and there (due to sharing narrow, temporary construction pathways with pedestrians). This rammed home what I've already known for years, and that is, walkable SPD or compatible shoes are not all that walkable except on the most perfectly smooth and even surfaces. A few too many crunching sessions made me decide to put my old Campy quill pedals back on, so I could ride with any ordinary athletic shoe. I will never forget my first century attempt, in 1973 wearing athletic shoes (we called them sneakers in those days) with my Campagnolo Record quill pedals. (I also wore shorts made from cut-off denim trousers with briefs underneath, and did not wear gloves.) I can still feel the burning lines of fire in my feet whenever I think of it. Maybe the walkability of SPD shoes depends on the shoes. I have no difficulty at all walking with my Sidi Dominators on uneven surfaces or smooth ones.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
I find they have an alarming tendency to come off the pedal or to be misaligned, and it seems like a lot of work to me to constantly have to think about foot placement. Jim's amusing take on differences notwithstanding, I think it is a case where different physiology is in play. I just got back from an approximate 600 mile in 7 day tour with camping and hiking worked in. My tour bike is set up with old Campy quill pedals (bought from some nice guy on these boards. forgot who he was but 3,000 miles and going I sure appreciate the deal.) without clips. The alternative would have been to wear riding shoes and stow my hiking shoes. Doable, but shoes take up a lot of pack space. On Oct 13, 7:15 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 04:47 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I have tried 3 different clipless pedal systems, with 3 different pairs of shoes, but each time, I came back to flat pedals. I see some advantage of being attached, but not enough to make it worth changing shoes. And on long rides, being locked in one place actually causes more fatigue and discomfort than free-floating on MKS Sylvan Touring pedals. I have become so accustomed to letting my foot roam around the pedal that even spiky bmx pedals seem too restrictive (I have bmx pedals on my fixed-gear and on my unicycle (ouch!)). For all types of riding, I use thin-soled, flimsy shoes, by the way. Anybody who does it differently is clearly wrong, and probably has a range of other moral failings. How, I wonder, do you keep your feet from coming off the pedals accidentally? Talk about fatigue and discomfort - when my feet roam around, even on my townie/errand bike, I find they have an alarming tendency to come off the pedal or to be misaligned, and it seems like a lot of work to me to constantly have to think about foot placement. That's fine for a short-distance townie, where the emphasis is on off-bike activities like walking around in the supermarket, but when I'm actually out for a ride, forget it! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Wiggy's Sleeping Bag
I use a Wiggy with Wiggy bivy sack for cycle touring. Mine is somewhat heavier than the desert model as I do three season camping here in upper Midwest. Wiggy's are well made, no nonsense bags. There is a very ardent subset of campers who say synthetic fill cannot hold a candle to down. I am happy with the Wiggy and think it a good choice for cycle and back pack campers. On Oct 12, 11:13 pm, mizrachi mizrachi1...@gmail.com wrote: The Wiggy's Desert Mummy Sleeping Bag found on the Riv site looks compelling but I can find no other reviews of the product. I'm in the market for a sleeping bag (and a 2-person tent) to use on a short tour and I live in Northern Florida, so a summer/fall weight bag would be appropriate, though we do get about a week of near freezing temperatures in the middle of winter. Anyway, I'm intrigued by some of the rectangular shaped bags as well, or at least mummy bags that offer some room to breath, especially in the toe box, or bags that can unzip fully and act more as a blanket than a snug fitting bag. At home, my feet usually like to be on the outside of my comforter and I can imagine feeling pretty overheated and claustrophobic in something too restrictive. Any Wiggy's users out there? Or other recommendations that might work in my case? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Wiggy's Sleeping Bag
I've used Wiggy's bags over the years for cycling as well as for backcountry skiing, climbing, and general camping. I've also used down bags and other synthetics... Wiggy's are great bags. Like all synthetics, they pack bulkier than down, but that is, in my experience, inconsequential for most applications. lyle f bogart dpt tacoma, wa On Oct 12, 9:13 pm, mizrachi mizrachi1...@gmail.com wrote: The Wiggy's Desert Mummy Sleeping Bag found on the Riv site looks compelling but I can find no other reviews of the product. I'm in the market for a sleeping bag (and a 2-person tent) to use on a short tour and I live in Northern Florida, so a summer/fall weight bag would be appropriate, though we do get about a week of near freezing temperatures in the middle of winter. Anyway, I'm intrigued by some of the rectangular shaped bags as well, or at least mummy bags that offer some room to breath, especially in the toe box, or bags that can unzip fully and act more as a blanket than a snug fitting bag. At home, my feet usually like to be on the outside of my comforter and I can imagine feeling pretty overheated and claustrophobic in something too restrictive. Any Wiggy's users out there? Or other recommendations that might work in my case? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: riv vapor barriers
Sleeping in a vapor barrier in temperatures above zero (that's fahrenheit) is just awful... it may keep you warm, but you'll also be, shall we say, quite moist... yuck. lyle f bogart dpt tacoma, wa On Oct 12, 9:09 am, pecanpie jupiterthunderb...@yahoo.com wrote: hi all i bought the wiggy's sleeping bag and love it, but the vapor barrier gives me the willies just touching it.that stretchy plastic feel just gives me the creeps. have any of you bought the vapor barrier from riv. im wondering if it is worth suffering through the weird feel if it really works. i doubt ill ever be camping below freezing anyway. so maybe i dont need it. thanks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
The philosophy is about keeping bicycles fun and practical, not categorically rejecting certain equipment. If clipless pedals are functional and enjoyable then you are on the right track. No heresy there. my road and mtb bikes have Time ATACs paired with recessed cleat MTB shoes. Great, Easy to get in and out of, no hot spots and walkable supportive shoes. my town bike has MKS sneaker pedals...great for sneakers as advertised. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Steve Park steve...@gmail.com wrote: The philosophy is about keeping bicycles fun and practical, not categorically rejecting certain equipment. If clipless pedals are functional and enjoyable then you are on the right track. No heresy there. my road and mtb bikes have Time ATACs paired with recessed cleat MTB shoes. Great, Easy to get in and out of, no hot spots and walkable supportive shoes. my town bike has MKS sneaker pedals...great for sneakers as advertised. I use the mks touring pedals on everything and the only gripe I have with them is if I'm wearing my simple shoes and it is AT ALL wet outside, they make a squeaky noise and my foot slips around more than I'd like. I might try a pair of the sneaker pedals out and see how they fare. I've also considered a set of the rubber-topped wellgos that are fairly pretty and dirt cheap. I tried clips and clipless (and for the record the name clipless for a pedal that you 'clip into' just annoys the crap out of me) and I found I like being able to move my feet around w/o thinking about it. -sv -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Children of Atlantis
On Oct 12, 8:15 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: The LHT is the poor man's Atlantis. Seriously-- it has Atlantis geometry. Since I think the Atlantis is the best bicycle ever made, I think people who can't afford an Atlantis should get a LHT. But the LHT is not the same as the Bombadil. I am seriously thinking about the LHT, but the one thing that stops me cold is the 1 1/8 threadless fork. I just can't get past it. And it's a shame because in just about every other way it really is a more affordable version of the Atlantis -- the bike I always wanted but could not buy. The Atlantis was still having finishing touches put on it in development when I ordered my LongLow. If it had been a fully-formed, fully-available frameset at the time it would surely have been my bike of choice. I am quit happy with my LongLow and it's my dedicated city bike, the bike I ride about 80 per cent of the time. But the Atlantis will always be the Bike That Got Away for me. And I'm not sure that any other bike will suffice in the quite the same way. So some time ago I pretty much shrugged, sighed, and decided to be happy with what I have. It's all worked out well, I think. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Children of Atlantis
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:45 AM, beth h periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: On Oct 12, 8:15 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: The LHT is the poor man's Atlantis. Seriously-- it has Atlantis geometry. Since I think the Atlantis is the best bicycle ever made, I think people who can't afford an Atlantis should get a LHT. But the LHT is not the same as the Bombadil. I am seriously thinking about the LHT, but the one thing that stops me cold is the 1 1/8 threadless fork. I just can't get past it. And it's a shame because in just about every other way it really is a more affordable version of the Atlantis -- the bike I always wanted but could not buy. Is there a nice way to get a threaded fork and headset on the LHT? Does it just require getting the right length fork and replacing the headset? After riding and playing with both the threaded and threadless stems I think a threaded stem with a threadless adapter so you can pop off your handlebars w/o stripping them is just about the most modular and functional combination I can think of. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Children of Atlantis
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:45 AM, beth h periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: On Oct 12, 8:15 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: The LHT is the poor man's Atlantis. Seriously-- it has Atlantis geometry. Since I think the Atlantis is the best bicycle ever made, I think people who can't afford an Atlantis should get a LHT. But the LHT is not the same as the Bombadil. I am seriously thinking about the LHT, but the one thing that stops me cold is the 1 1/8 threadless fork. I just can't get past it. And it's a shame because in just about every other way it really is a more affordable version of the Atlantis -- the bike I always wanted but could not buy. Is there a nice way to get a threaded fork and headset on the LHT? Does it just require getting the right length fork and replacing the headset? nevermind - you'd need a 9/8th threaded headset which appear to not exist from a few google searches. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
Speaking of which: MKS is now making (or maybe has been and VO just recently stocked) an updated version of the rubber topped pedal: http://www.velo-orange.com/mks30rublpe.html I have a great set of the white Lyotard version of these. I am somewhat reluctant to use mine, however, as it has proven difficult to find new old stock versions. Seems with the more pedestrian components, no one ever thought about saving a few copies for posterity. It is easier to find new old stock Campy 50th Anniversary quills than Lyotard rubber pedals in white. On Oct 13, 9:40 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Steve Park steve...@gmail.com wrote: The philosophy is about keeping bicycles fun and practical, not categorically rejecting certain equipment. If clipless pedals are functional and enjoyable then you are on the right track. No heresy there. my road and mtb bikes have Time ATACs paired with recessed cleat MTB shoes. Great, Easy to get in and out of, no hot spots and walkable supportive shoes. my town bike has MKS sneaker pedals...great for sneakers as advertised. I use the mks touring pedals on everything and the only gripe I have with them is if I'm wearing my simple shoes and it is AT ALL wet outside, they make a squeaky noise and my foot slips around more than I'd like. I might try a pair of the sneaker pedals out and see how they fare. I've also considered a set of the rubber-topped wellgos that are fairly pretty and dirt cheap. I tried clips and clipless (and for the record the name clipless for a pedal that you 'clip into' just annoys the crap out of me) and I found I like being able to move my feet around w/o thinking about it. -sv -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
That's my set-up too. I have found the Time ATACs to be the most comfortable clipless pedals for me; they allow lots of float and don't provoke hot spots. Recessed cleat MTB shoes are very walkable; I need that when I'm pushing my SS MTB up steep hills. jim m wc ca On Oct 13, 7:35 am, Steve Park steve...@gmail.com wrote: my road and mtb bikes have Time ATACs paired with recessed cleat MTB shoes. Great, Easy to get in and out of, no hot spots and walkable supportive shoes. my town bike has MKS sneaker pedals...great for sneakers as advertised. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: NorCal Riv ride: Sunday October 18th
I'll be there, with few words. Unless I catch the flu from my kids this week. jim m wc ca On Oct 12, 4:41 pm, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I'm aware, it's still on. We in the north aren't chatty. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Children of Atlantis
On Oct 13, 5:09 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:45 AM, beth h periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: On Oct 12, 8:15 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: The LHT is the poor man's Atlantis. Seriously-- it has Atlantis geometry. Since I think the Atlantis is the best bicycle ever made, I think people who can't afford an Atlantis should get a LHT. But the LHT is not the same as the Bombadil. I am seriously thinking about the LHT, but the one thing that stops me cold is the 1 1/8 threadless fork. I just can't get past it. And it's a shame because in just about every other way it really is a more affordable version of the Atlantis -- the bike I always wanted but could not buy. Is there a nice way to get a threaded fork and headset on the LHT? Does it just require getting the right length fork and replacing the headset? nevermind - you'd need a 9/8th threaded headset which appear to not exist from a few google searches. -sv there are many possibilities: Chris King offers 9/8 threaded headsets, even ones that fit into an 9/8 frame and accept an 1'' fork, you could also use any normal 1'' threaded headset with adaptor cups, (but i don't know where to get them) you might be able to buy a cheaper 9/8 headset NOS somewhere. It depends on which fork you happen to find, but i think life will be easier with an 1'' fork, chris king special solution or normal 1'' inch headset with adaptor cups... Tange makes a cheaper ahead adaptor headset, it's for ahead so you still need the upper part of a tange threaded headset, should be no problem for a good bicycle store. So regarding the price range of the bicycle you want, one might want to combine this Tange headset with the upper part from another Tange... Gunnar. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Looking for that String in The Custom Color Labyrinth
Hello All, Compliments to all who post in this forum. I have taken part in several enthusiast forums in the past and hope to enjoy getting hooked up with other riders. My reason for posting: I really would like some direction on how one selects and communicates a custom bike color! I have placed my money on a new AHH, but have not told RBW whether I want the standard blue color(s) or custom. Now, I have ridden the same bike (1974 Fuji Finest) since high school. This is the first real new bike I will have had in all these years, so it is something that I have to do right for myself. Blue is good, but a rich earthy green is what really appeals to me. Like this bike identified as Blue Lemon Photos ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/eldukedegreaser/3516760819/in/pool-1256...@n22/ ). How and where does a guy go to look at colors? I look around me every day, but how do you identify and communicate a color to the RBW folks? Thanks for any help on this project. It is a big commitment for me and I don't want buyer's remorse just because the color isn't just so! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for that String in The Custom Color Labyrinth
It was really easy. I knew I wanted a dark green. I went to our local hardware store and found it. It's called Scholar Green and is part of the Ralph Lauren line of interior paints. You can see it on this page: http://www.ralphlaurenhome.com/rlhome/products/paint/items.asp?haid=48 I grabbed a sample card and simply mailed it to Keven who was helping me with the AHH. I just took delivery a few days ago. Amazing bike. One thing to note in your decision. I have pretty high standards I guess and upon close inspection of the bike I found NUMEROUS flaws in the custom paint job - including a hairline of the green on the cream color headtube and imprecise highlights of the cream on the green (like the little circles aren't all perfect). There are quite few spots that really could've been much better, but you have to look to find them. Is it a big deal to me. Not really. Do I think it should've been better for shelling out an extra $200 for a nearly $4000 bike? Absolutely. Rivendell's response has been we'll check bikes more closely. I've had other custom paint projects that were done by hand (high-end guitars, furniture, artwork, etc.) and had come to expect a very high degree of precision and flawless work. Overall I'm happy with the bike, but in retrospect I'm not sure I'd have shelled out that much money for the value of work I got. Your mileage may vary. I LOVE the dark green though. Will be posting pics on my Flickr site soon. On Oct 13, 10:13 am, mushmash mushm...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Compliments to all who post in this forum. I have taken part in several enthusiast forums in the past and hope to enjoy getting hooked up with other riders. My reason for posting: I really would like some direction on how one selects and communicates a custom bike color! I have placed my money on a new AHH, but have not told RBW whether I want the standard blue color(s) or custom. Now, I have ridden the same bike (1974 Fuji Finest) since high school. This is the first real new bike I will have had in all these years, so it is something that I have to do right for myself. Blue is good, but a rich earthy green is what really appeals to me. Like this bike identified as Blue Lemon Photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/eldukedegreaser/3516760819/in/pool-12565... ). How and where does a guy go to look at colors? I look around me every day, but how do you identify and communicate a color to the RBW folks? Thanks for any help on this project. It is a big commitment for me and I don't want buyer's remorse just because the color isn't just so! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for that String in The Custom Color Labyrinth
William, Thanks for the feedback. I do struggle with the potential for the custom paint job to come back with mistakes. And maybe not as good as the basic blue paint color. I would be really crestfallen to have a shlocky job done after planning so long for a new bike. Maybe a good question would be whether you prefer a flawless OEM blue or the flawed green? I will be very curious to see your green colors on Flickr on the bike. To me on this computer screen, it almost looks gray. Paul D. Austin, TX On Oct 13, 11:33 am, William F. House williamfho...@gmail.com wrote: It was really easy. I knew I wanted a dark green. I went to our local hardware store and found it. It's called Scholar Green and is part of the Ralph Lauren line of interior paints. You can see it on this page: http://www.ralphlaurenhome.com/rlhome/products/paint/items.asp?haid=48 I grabbed a sample card and simply mailed it to Keven who was helping me with the AHH. I just took delivery a few days ago. Amazing bike. One thing to note in your decision. I have pretty high standards I guess and upon close inspection of the bike I found NUMEROUS flaws in the custom paint job - including a hairline of the green on the cream color headtube and imprecise highlights of the cream on the green (like the little circles aren't all perfect). There are quite few spots that really could've been much better, but you have to look to find them. Is it a big deal to me. Not really. Do I think it should've been better for shelling out an extra $200 for a nearly $4000 bike? Absolutely. Rivendell's response has been we'll check bikes more closely. I've had other custom paint projects that were done by hand (high-end guitars, furniture, artwork, etc.) and had come to expect a very high degree of precision and flawless work. Overall I'm happy with the bike, but in retrospect I'm not sure I'd have shelled out that much money for the value of work I got. Your mileage may vary. I LOVE the dark green though. Will be posting pics on my Flickr site soon. On Oct 13, 10:13 am, mushmash mushm...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Compliments to all who post in this forum. I have taken part in several enthusiast forums in the past and hope to enjoy getting hooked up with other riders. My reason for posting: I really would like some direction on how one selects and communicates a custom bike color! I have placed my money on a new AHH, but have not told RBW whether I want the standard blue color(s) or custom. Now, I have ridden the same bike (1974 Fuji Finest) since high school. This is the first real new bike I will have had in all these years, so it is something that I have to do right for myself. Blue is good, but a rich earthy green is what really appeals to me. Like this bike identified as Blue Lemon Photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/eldukedegreaser/3516760819/in/pool-12565... ). How and where does a guy go to look at colors? I look around me every day, but how do you identify and communicate a color to the RBW folks? Thanks for any help on this project. It is a big commitment for me and I don't want buyer's remorse just because the color isn't just so! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for that String in The Custom Color Labyrinth
Paul, You raise a good point - I'm definitely more satisfied with the flawed green than I would be with a flawless OEM blue. I know that no one will ever look at the bike and say, Oh man, that's a terrible paint job. It's just on close inspection where things are noticeable. Interesting that the green looks gray to you. In reality it's a very dark rich forest green. I'd say the link I supplied is accurate, at least on my monitor. And again, all that said, I'm very happy with the bike. I've never owned a bike this nice. - Will On Oct 13, 12:06 pm, Paul D mushm...@gmail.com wrote: William, Thanks for the feedback. I do struggle with the potential for the custom paint job to come back with mistakes. And maybe not as good as the basic blue paint color. I would be really crestfallen to have a shlocky job done after planning so long for a new bike. Maybe a good question would be whether you prefer a flawless OEM blue or the flawed green? I will be very curious to see your green colors on Flickr on the bike. To me on this computer screen, it almost looks gray. Paul D. Austin, TX On Oct 13, 11:33 am, William F. House williamfho...@gmail.com wrote: It was really easy. I knew I wanted a dark green. I went to our local hardware store and found it. It's called Scholar Green and is part of the Ralph Lauren line of interior paints. You can see it on this page: http://www.ralphlaurenhome.com/rlhome/products/paint/items.asp?haid=48 I grabbed a sample card and simply mailed it to Keven who was helping me with the AHH. I just took delivery a few days ago. Amazing bike. One thing to note in your decision. I have pretty high standards I guess and upon close inspection of the bike I found NUMEROUS flaws in the custom paint job - including a hairline of the green on the cream color headtube and imprecise highlights of the cream on the green (like the little circles aren't all perfect). There are quite few spots that really could've been much better, but you have to look to find them. Is it a big deal to me. Not really. Do I think it should've been better for shelling out an extra $200 for a nearly $4000 bike? Absolutely. Rivendell's response has been we'll check bikes more closely. I've had other custom paint projects that were done by hand (high-end guitars, furniture, artwork, etc.) and had come to expect a very high degree of precision and flawless work. Overall I'm happy with the bike, but in retrospect I'm not sure I'd have shelled out that much money for the value of work I got. Your mileage may vary. I LOVE the dark green though. Will be posting pics on my Flickr site soon. On Oct 13, 10:13 am, mushmash mushm...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Compliments to all who post in this forum. I have taken part in several enthusiast forums in the past and hope to enjoy getting hooked up with other riders. My reason for posting: I really would like some direction on how one selects and communicates a custom bike color! I have placed my money on a new AHH, but have not told RBW whether I want the standard blue color(s) or custom. Now, I have ridden the same bike (1974 Fuji Finest) since high school. This is the first real new bike I will have had in all these years, so it is something that I have to do right for myself. Blue is good, but a rich earthy green is what really appeals to me. Like this bike identified as Blue Lemon Photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/eldukedegreaser/3516760819/in/pool-12565... ). How and where does a guy go to look at colors? I look around me every day, but how do you identify and communicate a color to the RBW folks? Thanks for any help on this project. It is a big commitment for me and I don't want buyer's remorse just because the color isn't just so! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
It's really great to hear that I'm not alone here. My first experiment with clipless pedals was in the late '80s with an early version of Look's delta pedals. I had trouble getting the release dialed in, and experienced quite a bit of discomfort due to the lack of (any) float. That experience kept me off of clipless for about 15 years. When I started mountain biking, I tried WTB Stealth pedals (good float, but entry was about as difficult as getting through airport security), SPDs (okay, but didn't love 'em when they got muddy), platforms (great down hill, not so great up hill), and finally Time ATACs. Loved the ATACs. I've had good luck with Speedplay road pedals (not Frogs) on my go-fast bike, but those big cleats are a non- starter for errands, commuting, etc. I'm using Shimano A530s on the Hilsen, which as a few other posts have noted are SPDs on one side, and platforms on the other. Great pedal, IMHO. But what's really keeping me out of my sneakers when I grab the bike is these all mountain shoes that I picked up: http://www.mavic.com/mtb/products/switchback.320431.9.aspx. They go on about as easy as a pair of Keens, with a pretty similar drawstring to cinch them tight. No straps, no buckles, totally walkable, and they just look like a pair of trail sneakers. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 06:15 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: The alternative would have been to wear riding shoes and stow my hiking shoes. Doable, but shoes take up a lot of pack space. Yes, that's why I bought a pair of Keen sandals just before the Shenandoah Valley tour this June. I liked them so well, that's all I've been wearing since! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for that String in The Custom Color Labyrinth
You might try calling Rivendell to ask which of their painters will be painting your bike. Most bike painters are happy to help you out, and might also send you their color charts to look at. Good luck. On Oct 13, 11:13 am, mushmash mushm...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Compliments to all who post in this forum. I have taken part in several enthusiast forums in the past and hope to enjoy getting hooked up with other riders. My reason for posting: I really would like some direction on how one selects and communicates a custom bike color! I have placed my money on a new AHH, but have not told RBW whether I want the standard blue color(s) or custom. Now, I have ridden the same bike (1974 Fuji Finest) since high school. This is the first real new bike I will have had in all these years, so it is something that I have to do right for myself. Blue is good, but a rich earthy green is what really appeals to me. Like this bike identified as Blue Lemon Photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/eldukedegreaser/3516760819/in/pool-12565... ). How and where does a guy go to look at colors? I look around me every day, but how do you identify and communicate a color to the RBW folks? Thanks for any help on this project. It is a big commitment for me and I don't want buyer's remorse just because the color isn't just so! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Wiggy's Sleeping Bag
Take a look at www.jacksrbetter.com They do a nice line of down sleeping quilts. They pack down small and don't cost as much as many down bags. They must be used with a sleeping pad and give you lots of options for moving about. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for that String in The Custom Color Labyrinth
The ability to pick a color for a small upcharge is REALLY a nice option. As far as paint quality is concerned... I believe that the production frames are coming in to Rivendell painted already. The extra $200 to choose a custom color is amazingly inexpensive. I suspect that Rivendell doesn't make ANY money on that, considering the cost to have the bicycle stripped and re-painted. I suspect the quality is good enough for a rider Probably as good of a paint job as one would get as a factory paint. Custom paint it is not. I'm extremely picky when it comes to paint quality too, but I also understand how difficult a good paint job is to do well. Having worked in a shop for about 15 years, I've seen LOTS of bicycles. Almost all of them have flaws somewhere in the paint. Obviously the bicycle is made up of many small tubes with lots of inside/outside surfaces and ample opportunity for over/under-spray. If you want show-quality paint, save up for the Joe Bell, or skip the $200 extra and have the frame sent directly to Joe Bell. I suspect you'll wait another 6 months or so and probably expect to pay close to an additional $500 for paint work. For a more durable option, you could go with custom powdercoat through Spectrum, but I believe a one- color job will run you $400 or so. Find a color you like somewhere as a color chip, paint book, color of car. Make note of year, make, model and the paint code can be looked up. Give your painter some liberty because not every color can be matched 100%. It's a bike after all, yer' spose to ride 'em, when you do, they get scratched and dirty anyhow. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for that String in The Custom Color Labyrinth
This is what Rivendell should say. As a novice, I paid $200 expecting it to be flawless. I would've appreciated a little more transparency. (If they actually state this on their website and I simply missed it then it's my fault.) On Oct 13, 1:37 pm, Ken Yokanovich reflector.collec...@gmail.com wrote: If you want show-quality paint, save up for the Joe Bell, or skip the $200 extra and have the frame sent directly to Joe Bell. I suspect you'll wait another 6 months or so and probably expect to pay close to an additional $500 for paint work. For a more durable option, you could go with custom powdercoat through Spectrum, but I believe a one- color job will run you $400 or so. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
With practice, you can ride platform pedals and never worry about your feet slipping off (that is, unless something happens that brings with it a much larger problem than your feet slipping off).The dumbest (and most fun) things i've done on bicycles was done with good old platform pedals: http://www.flickr.com/photos/43029...@n07/4009451976/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/43029...@n07/4009446854/ I could not imagine doing anything like this clipped-in, in fact it's scary to even think about. On Oct 13, 8:15 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 04:47 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I have tried 3 different clipless pedal systems, with 3 different pairs of shoes, but each time, I came back to flat pedals. I see some advantage of being attached, but not enough to make it worth changing shoes. And on long rides, being locked in one place actually causes more fatigue and discomfort than free-floating on MKS Sylvan Touring pedals. I have become so accustomed to letting my foot roam around the pedal that even spiky bmx pedals seem too restrictive (I have bmx pedals on my fixed-gear and on my unicycle (ouch!)). For all types of riding, I use thin-soled, flimsy shoes, by the way. Anybody who does it differently is clearly wrong, and probably has a range of other moral failings. How, I wonder, do you keep your feet from coming off the pedals accidentally? Talk about fatigue and discomfort - when my feet roam around, even on my townie/errand bike, I find they have an alarming tendency to come off the pedal or to be misaligned, and it seems like a lot of work to me to constantly have to think about foot placement. That's fine for a short-distance townie, where the emphasis is on off-bike activities like walking around in the supermarket, but when I'm actually out for a ride, forget it! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for that String in The Custom Color Labyrinth
On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 12:37 -0700, Ken Yokanovich wrote: The ability to pick a color for a small upcharge is REALLY a nice option. As far as paint quality is concerned... I believe that the production frames are coming in to Rivendell painted already. The extra $200 to choose a custom color is amazingly inexpensive. I suspect that Rivendell doesn't make ANY money on that, considering the cost to have the bicycle stripped and re-painted. I suspect the quality is good enough for a rider Probably as good of a paint job as one would get as a factory paint. Custom paint it is not. Then I must have gotten one super fantastic deal with my Saluki. I got the color of my choice for a fifty dollar upcharge. As it happens, the color was the standard color for one of the 650B mixtes, Fairway Green Metallic, but it was a custom color as far as I was concerned. It was a very nice job, too -- not that I went over it with a scanning electron microscope looking for flaws -- and I'm extremely happy with it. It's held up very well, too. I'm extremely picky when it comes to paint quality too, but I also understand how difficult a good paint job is to do well. Having worked in a shop for about 15 years, I've seen LOTS of bicycles. Almost all of them have flaws somewhere in the paint. Obviously the bicycle is made up of many small tubes with lots of inside/outside surfaces and ample opportunity for over/under-spray. If you want show-quality paint, save up for the Joe Bell, or skip the $200 extra and have the frame sent directly to Joe Bell. I suspect you'll wait another 6 months or so and probably expect to pay close to an additional $500 for paint work. For a more durable option, you could go with custom powdercoat through Spectrum, but I believe a one- color job will run you $400 or so. OK, maybe it makes sense to worry about show-quality paint if the bike is intended to be a show bike and a wall-hanger; but as far as I'm concerned, not so much if you actually intend to ride the bike -- because chips, scratches, dirt and abrasion will surely break your heart. Find a color you like somewhere as a color chip, paint book, color of car. Make note of year, make, model and the paint code can be looked up. Give your painter some liberty because not every color can be matched 100%. It's a bike after all, yer' spose to ride 'em, when you do, they get scratched and dirty anyhow. Dirt washes off. Pretty paint gives you incentive to keep the bike clean. But don't go getting all morose if a perfect paint job gets marred: it will happen. It can't not happen. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 12:44 -0700, newenglandbike wrote: I could not imagine doing anything like this clipped-in, in fact it's scary to even think about. I can not imagine doing anything like this period. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for that String in The Custom Color Labyrinth
On Oct 13, 2:44 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Dirt washes off. Pretty paint gives you incentive to keep the bike clean. But don't go getting all morose if a perfect paint job gets marred: it will happen. It can't not happen. Something to keep in mind, for sure. Ever have them send a vial of touch-up paint as part of the deal? They've got to mix it and they can't use it all down to the last two ounces. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for that String in The Custom Color Labyrinth
On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 13:38 -0700, Paul D wrote: On Oct 13, 2:44 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Dirt washes off. Pretty paint gives you incentive to keep the bike clean. But don't go getting all morose if a perfect paint job gets marred: it will happen. It can't not happen. Something to keep in mind, for sure. Ever have them send a vial of touch-up paint as part of the deal? They've got to mix it and they can't use it all down to the last two ounces. Can you even do that with Imron? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
This may be a little off topic, but I wonder how many BMX freestylers there are here . . . --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
Yes, that's why I bought a pair of Keen sandals just before the Shenandoah Valley tour this June. I liked them so well, that's all I've been wearing since! Heard a lot of good things about Keens. Guess I will have to try a pair. Arguably - more like indubitably - Zamberlans are overkill for hiking in Southwestern Wisconsin. Although they were quite comfortable! On Oct 13, 1:57 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 06:15 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: The alternative would have been to wear riding shoes and stow my hiking shoes. Doable, but shoes take up a lot of pack space. Yes, that's why I bought a pair of Keen sandals just before the Shenandoah Valley tour this June. I liked them so well, that's all I've been wearing since! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
This may be a little off topic, but I wonder how many BMX freestylers there are here . . . I reckon BMX freestylers are a fairly small subset of any cycling group. Excepting, of course, BMX freestylers. Looks like fun but must take a real healthy combination of athletic ability, hand eye coordination, and devil may care attitude about one's well being. On Oct 13, 3:41 pm, 40_Acres mgla...@gmail.com wrote: This may be a little off topic, but I wonder how many BMX freestylers there are here . . . --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
Has anyone on here used the MKS Ezy pedals? They have a quick release similar to a pneumatic hose connection and allow you to remove the pedal quickly for packing. The make them in clipless and platform styles and I can envision having a set of each for around town and out for a long ride applications. I see that they now offer them with Grip King platforms at Harris http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/pedals.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
A friend has similar pedals on his folder, and loves them. --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org On Oct 13, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Rambouilleting Utahn wrote: Has anyone on here used the MKS Ezy pedals? They have a quick release similar to a pneumatic hose connection and allow you to remove the pedal quickly for packing. The make them in clipless and platform styles and I can envision having a set of each for around town and out for a long ride applications. I see that they now offer them with Grip King platforms at Harris http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/pedals.html --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
I expected these comments. I have used 3 different pairs of shoes with the cleats mounted in just about every position imaginable. The only way to alleviate this discomfort would be to stuff a large Dr. Scholls in there. But then, that wouldn't alleviate me having to wear special shoes every time I wanted to ride, which is another beef I have with them. A final beef I have - which someone else touched on - is being locked into a fixed, linear motion. To me, it's the cycling equivalent of squatting in a Smith machine. Yes, you feel more efficient but the human body isn't designed to work that way and you're setting yourself up for an eventual RSI. This of course is my opinion, and there is a great deal of differing opinion, so we'll leave it at that. On Oct 13, 7:11 am, bpus...@aol.com wrote: I'd take it one step further and say it has everything to do with your shoes - or at least where the cleats are fastened to the shoes. Bill In a message dated 10/13/2009 7:00:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, palin...@his.com writes: There's a reasonable chance this has nothing at all to do with the pedals and everything to do with your shoes. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Tue, 2009-10-13 at 14:41 -0700, ToddBS wrote: I expected these comments. I have used 3 different pairs of shoes I've tried over a dozen brands of dress shoes and have found only one -- and only one last in a very full and varied line -- that I can consistently buy and wear with no fears of foot pain. I tried ten or twelve different SPD-compatible bike shoes before I found a brand that fit. with the cleats mounted in just about every position imaginable. The only way to alleviate this discomfort would be to stuff a large Dr. Scholls in there. That still sounds like shoes and cleats, not pedals, to me. But then, that wouldn't alleviate me having to wear special shoes every time I wanted to ride, which is another beef I have with them. Well, if you're not OK with that, then it is an unsurmountable obstacle. A final beef I have - which someone else touched on - is being locked into a fixed, linear motion. To me, it's the cycling equivalent of squatting in a Smith machine. Yes, you feel more efficient but the human body isn't designed to work that way and you're setting yourself up for an eventual RSI. In a word, float. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
I gave up Look cleats and shoes maybe 3 years ago, opting for an SPD pedal (xspeed?? the name is worn off the pedal and they are light and great) and touring shoes. I've never been happier. I find the SPD's much easier to clip in and the touring shoe much more useful, especially when I carry my bike up 2 flights of stairs to my office most days. No difference in speed that I've noticed...well, I switched from a Serotta to a Bleriot, so I slowed down and made up for it with less jarring of my body and the ability to get my change of clothes off my back and on a rack. I have an old MTB I converted to a hardtail with downturned bars and I use the Shimano M324 so I can jump on it with any shoe, and go. Still, I like the clips and will likely continue. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for that String in The Custom Color Labyrinth
I had a custom hardtail painted by Joe Bell years ago and the builder handed me a paint sample book from the company that Joe buys his paints from. Find out from Rivendell what line of paint Joe is using and a local body shop or body shop supply house should have a sample book for you to page through. While not having the cutouts and fills that your AHH will have the paint on that mountain bike is beautiful. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: FS: Jack Brown Blue's and Fixed/SS Rear Wheel --- SOLD
Thank you. On Oct 12, 9:04 pm, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.com wrote: One 10 mile ride. Nothing wrong with them but I like fenders and these won't work. $80 plus shipping. Fixed gear/SS wheel...I'm all gears now. MA-3 rim (no label..I'm a peeler), 32h, DT 14 6 spokes, Surley hub, 18 tooth fixed cog(nearly new), 17 freewheel. I'll also add a 16t fixed cog. Built by local wheelbuider, very good shape, could probably use a very minor truing. $85 plus shipping. Thanks, Rob --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Random occurrences in the universe
Yes! Less chocolaty and more hoppy. Great for breakfast!!! On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:38 AM, SpeedyChix speedyc...@comcast.net wrote: Dry stout tasty? On Oct 10, 10:12 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't it great when this happens! http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3999073393/ -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:51 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Yes, that's why I bought a pair of Keen sandals just before the Shenandoah Valley tour this June. I liked them so well, that's all I've been wearing since! Heard a lot of good things about Keens. Guess I will have to try a pair. Arguably - more like indubitably - Zamberlans are overkill for hiking in Southwestern Wisconsin. Although they were quite comfortable! -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- I just bought my first pair and like 'em. Kinda hot for summer riding if compared to Tevas. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Clipless Pedals
I recently switched from my crank Brothers 50/50 pin pedals to some Taiwanese, Magnesium, BMX pin pedals with really nice sealed bearings. Nice large platform like the Crank Brothers so no sore feet up to 60 miles which is as far as I have ridden. I don't worry about my feet slipping off, that's kind of ridiculous anyway since I am not riding some downhill rock infested cliff at 40 mph. If my feet fly off my pedals I figure I have other more serious things to worry about. I ride in my Redwing boots, Teva sandals, New balance sport shoes and any other shoe I happen to be wearing. On long rides I use my sandals down to about 32 degrees with two pairs of wool socks ( one standard + one arctic) On Oct 12, 11:50 am, 40_Acres mgla...@gmail.com wrote: I feel as if I'm committing an act of heresy, but I'm very curious to hear others thoughts. I'm no stranger to riding in sneakers on platform pedals, or to using old-school quills and toe clips (with and without cycling-specific shoes). When I bought my AHH this Summer, I decided to give both platforms and quills a serious go of it. After 4.5 months I'm back to clipless pedals, even for short errands around town. Any fellow heretics out there? On a related note with a different outcome, I went back to downtube shifting on the AHH. Love it. Brifters are great too, but I'm very happy with DT shifters. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Homer in Outside Magazine
Actually, the writer of the piece is a friend of mine. He owns a beautiful Tournesol randonneuse and is a big fan of Rivendell stuff. Ron On Oct 11, 8:59 pm, Jock Scott ebko...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 11, 2:55 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: The Hillborne (mentioned) might be a better head to head, especially w/ the Crosscheck and Volpe being compared. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA With the recent interest in the Hillborne and its better affordability, I would have certainly understood the Hillborne getting the photoshoot...and the mentioning of its more expensive older brother, Homer. But, in afterthought, I assume the editors chose the Hilsen to represent a high-end option for those that can commute on a $4k bike in high contrast to the Kona. Perhaps the not-so-obvious point is that a variety of tastes and needs can be accommodated at a range of budgets, just as in autos. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for that String in The Custom Color Labyrinth
Your choice of blue appears to be a great complement to the Sam Hillborne graphics. It would be interesting to see a picture of your SH, next to a standard blue AHH, in unbiased lighting. The August write-up detailing your 3 month experience and observations on the Hillborne is very insightful- thanks for posting that. On Oct 13, 8:51 pm, Joshua Kruck joshua.kr...@gmail.com wrote: I used DuPont color codes when I did a custom color for my Riv. I first found something that was the right color (for the life of me I can't remember what it was), used the computer to look at the paint chips vs. the real thing. Defiantly not full proof, but worked well enough for my needs. I ended up going with post office blue 2 from this pagehttp://bit.ly/CjsGk It was a bit hard for me to imagine the paint chip from the web page on the bike but in the end it seemed to work out. Finished bike with paint:http://bit.ly/2o8iWyhttp://bit.ly/48pmAU As far as paint (powder coat in my case) quality... as others have alluded to, you're not getting a show bike. Mine had a drip or two. My custom color was free because of a screw up with the first batch of Hillbornes so I'm not too worked up about it. On Oct 13, 11:13 am, mushmash mushm...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Compliments to all who post in this forum. I have taken part in several enthusiast forums in the past and hope to enjoy getting hooked up with other riders. My reason for posting: I really would like some direction on how one selects and communicates a custom bike color! I have placed my money on a new AHH, but have not told RBW whether I want the standard blue color(s) or custom. Now, I have ridden the same bike (1974 Fuji Finest) since high school. This is the first real new bike I will have had in all these years, so it is something that I have to do right for myself. Blue is good, but a rich earthy green is what really appeals to me. Like this bike identified as Blue Lemon Photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/eldukedegreaser/3516760819/in/pool-12565... ). How and where does a guy go to look at colors? I look around me every day, but how do you identify and communicate a color to the RBW folks? Thanks for any help on this project. It is a big commitment for me and I don't want buyer's remorse just because the color isn't just so!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Looking for that String in The Custom Color Labyrinth
An alternative approach (relinquish control): When I ordered a custom Curt Goodrich, I told Curt: You pick the color; I trust your taste and judgment, just don't paint it white or gray. I don't think he quite knew how to take that, because he kept asking if I'd be ok with some shade of blue, or red, etc. But I really didn't give a damn. I knew that it would look nice in any number of colors, and that I wasn't going to lose sleep if it wasn't the perfect shade of metallic puce. In the end he selected a color from his stock, which had been used on another frame he painted, which I liked. I'm happy with it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/twowheelflight/3601726415/ On Oct 13, 11:13 am, mushmash mushm...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Compliments to all who post in this forum. I have taken part in several enthusiast forums in the past and hope to enjoy getting hooked up with other riders. My reason for posting: I really would like some direction on how one selects and communicates a custom bike color! I have placed my money on a new AHH, but have not told RBW whether I want the standard blue color(s) or custom. Now, I have ridden the same bike (1974 Fuji Finest) since high school. This is the first real new bike I will have had in all these years, so it is something that I have to do right for myself. Blue is good, but a rich earthy green is what really appeals to me. Like this bike identified as Blue Lemon Photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/eldukedegreaser/3516760819/in/pool-12565... ). How and where does a guy go to look at colors? I look around me every day, but how do you identify and communicate a color to the RBW folks? Thanks for any help on this project. It is a big commitment for me and I don't want buyer's remorse just because the color isn't just so! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Homer in Outside Magazine
Ron - that's cool! It seemed written by someone in the know - the description of the Cross Check was spot-on, and Kogswell was mentioned. It makes a BIG difference to read these kind of short pieces from someone who knows what they're talking about! I rarely see that. Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Oct 13, 9:28 pm, Ron MH visio...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, the writer of the piece is a friend of mine. He owns a beautiful Tournesol randonneuse and is a big fan of Rivendell stuff. Ron On Oct 11, 8:59 pm, Jock Scott ebko...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 11, 2:55 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: The Hillborne (mentioned) might be a better head to head, especially w/ the Crosscheck and Volpe being compared. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA With the recent interest in the Hillborne and its better affordability, I would have certainly understood the Hillborne getting the photoshoot...and the mentioning of its more expensive older brother, Homer. But, in afterthought, I assume the editors chose the Hilsen to represent a high-end option for those that can commute on a $4k bike in high contrast to the Kona. Perhaps the not-so-obvious point is that a variety of tastes and needs can be accommodated at a range of budgets, just as in autos. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] whatever happened to speedblends?
Just curious - did speedblends just go out of production or did they get shelved for some other reason? I've never ridden on tires with speedblend sidewalls - I just thought they looked cool. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Free to good home: Women's Ibex wool top L
Really nice lightweight wool, no piling. One 15mm spot on front due to a moth feast. It has a quick-fix darning job on it there that you can take out do better on. Ever so slightly shrunk for the stated large size. Fits more like a medium but evenly shrunk. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4010094071/ + the two photos after that. Shipping is $5. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Roadeo art
I went up to RWHQ this past Satarday, and saw the Roadeo in the flesh. I can't tell you how impressed I was. Didn't ride it, but the look and feel was exactly what I think this bike should be, and exaxctly what I think a lot of cyclists are looking for. I may have to lose 30 pounds so I can ride one! Colors and graphics are great, BTW, better than they photograph. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
