[RBW] Re: Angel Island S24O

2010-08-25 Thread William
OK, this is the kind of video that I think only my relatives and maybe
some soft-hearted fellow parents will enjoy, but here is my little
video edit from the trip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgVLWtYabkw

Rob--Saddlesack Large YES.  I love that bag.  My secret to packing for
3 is tiny down sleeping bags.
Rene--Thanks for the offer.  Let's see how the weather looks in
November.

On Aug 24, 10:45 pm, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Fantastic! I love reading about trips like this with kids. I want to  
 try this with my son! (He has the same Trek as your son--great bike.)

 I am hoping to get my gear down to  a point it'll fit in a similar  
 setup as well. Was that a Large Saddlesack? I'm going to try my first  
 S24O on my own this coming weekend, but will be using Ortlieb panniers  
 and a front basket.

 If we're lucky there will still be another month and a half of good  
 weather here to try this with the boy.

 Rob in Seattle

 On Aug 23, 2010, at 6:21 PM, William wrote:



  There wasn't a ton of riding, by this group's standards, but it was an
  awesome adventure for me, my 9 year old son and 6 year old daughter.
  Mom stayed home.  The travel included:

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Re: [RBW] Re: Angel Island S24O

2010-08-25 Thread Robert F. Harrison
I'd love to see it, but your video is showing up as private at the
moment.

I use a large Saddlesack as well. I've also started using the Slickersack up
front on a platrack. Here's my Quickbeam setup for 3 nights out earlier this
year. The SlickerSack is under the yellow cover with a Hennessy hammock on
top.

Last time I was in the Bay Area I almost made it to Angel Island (wouldn't
have had time for an S240 though). I've got to get there next time I'm
around.

All of this talk really makes me realize I haven't been camping since the
end of March and I really, really need to get out there again. :-)

Bob

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:24 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 OK, this is the kind of video that I think only my relatives and maybe
 some soft-hearted fellow parents will enjoy, but here is my little
 video edit from the trip.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgVLWtYabkw

 Rob--Saddlesack Large YES.  I love that bag.  My secret to packing for
 3 is tiny down sleeping bags.
 Rene--Thanks for the offer.  Let's see how the weather looks in
 November.

 On Aug 24, 10:45 pm, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote:
  Fantastic! I love reading about trips like this with kids. I want to
  try this with my son! (He has the same Trek as your son--great bike.)
 
  I am hoping to get my gear down to  a point it'll fit in a similar
  setup as well. Was that a Large Saddlesack? I'm going to try my first
  S24O on my own this coming weekend, but will be using Ortlieb panniers
  and a front basket.
 
  If we're lucky there will still be another month and a half of good
  weather here to try this with the boy.
 
  Rob in Seattle
 
  On Aug 23, 2010, at 6:21 PM, William wrote:
 
 
 
   There wasn't a ton of riding, by this group's standards, but it was an
   awesome adventure for me, my 9 year old son and 6 year old daughter.
   Mom stayed home.  The travel included:

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Re: [RBW] Which size Noodle Bar?

2010-08-25 Thread Ken Freeman
I'm a 81.5 pbh, and my shoulder width (acromion to acromion, I think) is
about 40 cm.  I have a 40 on one bike and a 42 on another.  I prefer the 40
cm bar.  I don't go with the wide bar theory.  I tried a 45 cm B115 once,
and while I love the shape (but not as much as a Noodle), it really was too
wide.

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:41 PM, D.Lemon davidboydle...@gmail.com wrote:

 I realize there's a blurb on the Riv site addressing sizing guidance
 for the Noodle Bars, but I'd like to get thoughts from the Group.
 Anyone else out there roughly fitting the numbers of 82 PBH, 56cm Riv,
 5'7, and ride with the Noodle Bar?  I'm in the market for one but
 waffling a bit between the 41cm and the 44cm.  Thanks for your
 thoughts.

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[RBW] Re: Which size Noodle Bar?

2010-08-25 Thread Leslie
It'd been almost two decades since I'd been on a 'road bike', having
switched to a mountain bike in college and using it as my only bike
until I built my Rambouillet.  I'm not a little guy, 6', 220lb (was in
the Marine infantry before college, but am soft round the middle now,
trying to work that off).   PBH is over an 87, my Ram is a 60.
Decided to go with Noodles, and by the guidelines, I decided to go
with the 48... it was marked out-of-stock when I went to order, but,
they said they'd get me one, and once Rich built my wheels, they had
gotten one in for me so he shipped the 48 bar w/ the wheels.

Before it arrived, I started fearing that a 48 was going to be huge,
and wondering if I should have gotten a 46 instead. Once it arrived
and I was holding the 48 in my hand, I realized that no, it's not too
big... it actually felt smaller than I expected, and I started to
wonder if I should have asked for a 50 (knowing there's no such thing
as a 50!).   I proceeded to build the bike w/ the 48, and it turned
out perfect.

My reason for pointing out my long time away from a road bike, is that
I was a lot younger and smaller the last time I was on a road bike,
and my memory of being on a road bike had wider handlebars...  the 48s
for me are not as wide as I remembered a road bike being.   If I'd
been riding different road bikes more recently, I may have not had an
expectation of the bars being bigger.

My suggestion, FWIW, is to tend towards the larger bars between the
ones you're considering.   I dare say, if you decide it's too wide
(which I doubt), you can then swap down, but if you give it a go,
you'll like 'em (if not even swapping up to the 46, but, I don't know
that you would want to go that far... ).

Best 'o luck...

-L

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[RBW] Re: Long Weekend in Portland

2010-08-25 Thread Beth H
I was enjoying the sights in eastern Oregon and sorry to have missed
meeting you.
Glad you had a good time -- and yes, isn't Germantown Road FUN?
Cheers --Beth

On Aug 24, 10:28 pm, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Greetings,
   Just returned from a long weekend Oregon.  Visiting in-laws means
 bike rides for Daddy!  Had four great rides on my Bleriot including an
 epic one ...said tongue in cheek...through Forest Park (though that
 decent down Germantown road really is EPIC)...

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[RBW] Re: Touring with 32h wheels?

2010-08-25 Thread Beth H
I concur with Bob in that there are other variables. Rim width and hub
strength also matter -- as does how much you generally carry, and
where.

I recently helped a customer who wanted us to rebuild his 32-spoke
wheel with a wider rim -- but he wanted to run a 25mm tire on it. When
I looked at his frame, I saw why; the sport-road frame he was trying
to tour and commute on gave him no clearance for wider tires! The
fenders had been hacked and split to fit the bike because there was NO
fender clearance; and his rear rim was in danger of collapsing because
the sidewalls of the rim were visibly, scarily concave. It was obvious
that he used his rear brake a lot and his front brake relatively
little by comparison.

I asked him how much he carried on his bike and how much he rode.

A lot, he answered. Maybe 4,00 to 5,000 miles a year and I usually
carry between 50 and 100 pounds on back. I do a lot of loaded touring
during the summer. The rest of the year I haul lots of books and a
laptop for work and do bike-moves a couple times a month.

Yikes.

I gently explained that his frame was limiting his rim and tire
choices, and that running a wider rim with such a skinny tire wasn't a
great idea. I suggested he consider building up a new wheel with 36 or
perhaps even 40 spokes; or consider a different frameset that would
accommodate wider rims and bigger tires.
He shook his head. Apparently, in his quest for a lighter, smoother
wheel, he'd spent a lot of money on a VERY fancy (American-made,
gorgeous, CNC-machined, etc) rear hub; and he didn't want to sell it
and take a loss on what he'd paid. However, his custom-built wheel had
lasted less than a year. He was breaking spokes right and left and did
not want to consider alternatives because of what he'd already spent.
I advised him he'd be looking at the same thing again if he stayed
with these parameters, even if we built him another custom wheel. It
was not the answer he wanted to hear. He left, saying there had to be
a way to get a lightweight set of wheels that would fit his frame AND
last more than 9 months under the stresses he was putting on them. He
vowed to find that way. I shrugged and wished him luck.

So many people I talk to expect parts to be lightweight AND supremely
durable at the same time. The idea that they have to accept ANY
additional weight in order to have a stouter bike or wheel galls them.
And the fact that they've been sold that set of expectations, well,
THAT galls ME.

..::sigh::..

Beth

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[RBW] Re: Which size Noodle Bar?

2010-08-25 Thread R
I'm going to go in the other direction...I've moved from wider and
wider, to narrower bars, and here's what I look for now...a 90 degree
angle between arm and torso, rather than the slight flare that comes
with wider bars (and I'm 6' with wide shoulders).   So long as I am
not hunching up with bars that cause me to have less than 90 degrees,
I feel that there's better support through the torso with that 90
degree position.  It has also allowed me to vary the flex and angle of
the back more.  Humorously enough, I think the infamous Jobst Brandt
also goes for narrower bars, but I don't want to assert this for sure,
as I don't want to dissappear in a burst of fire.   I've moved from
48, to 46, to 44, and am now trying 42s and 40s on my 2 daily rides.
I would say that to experiment is fairly simple and worth doing (I was
totally not prepared for liking the narrower bars til I tried them).
RB

On Aug 24, 9:29 pm, J. Burkhalter burk...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I mostly fit those numbers and I ride 46cm bars on the Ram and
 Bleriot.  I did ride 44cm ones on my old Atlantis for a year, and
 liked those as well.  I would definitely go with the 44cm over the
 41cm.

 -Jay
 Denver, CO

 On Aug 24, 10:41 am, D.Lemon davidboydle...@gmail.com wrote:



  I realize there's a blurb on the Riv site addressing sizing guidance
  for the Noodle Bars, but I'd like to get thoughts from the Group.
  Anyone else out there roughly fitting the numbers of 82 PBH, 56cm Riv,
  5'7, and ride with the Noodle Bar?  I'm in the market for one but
  waffling a bit between the 41cm and the 44cm.  Thanks for your
  thoughts.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Touring with 32h wheels?

2010-08-25 Thread Jan RBW
Mavic A319 is a 25mm wide 700c rim. Shimano XT hubs are 135mm rear 100mm
front. I'm going to use 35-40mm tires and 9-speed 11-32 cassette. The riding
will be pavement and smooth gravel - not any real offroad touring. I'll load
the bike so that it'll probably be around 60-65% back and 35-40% front - not
complete sure. Anyway the bike has drop bars quite high up and both rear
rack with panniers and light camping equipment and lowriders with smaller
front panniers.

The wheels are probably poorly built but I'll take them to a good
wheelbuilder for braking in and truing.

2010/8/25 Bob Cooper robertcoo...@frontiernet.net

 I’m sure others will weigh in on this, but the numbers alone are not
 encouraging.

 Other questions:

 Weight distribution front and back?
 How smooth the road?
 How wide the tires?
 Diameter of the rim (20-inch, 28-inch)?
 How wide the rims?
 Off-center rims?
 How wide the OLD (126, 130, 135)?
 How many sprockets (one, five, eleven)?

 And now, the Pièce de résistance: Who built the wheels?

 My two cents,

 Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: Touring with 32h wheels?

2010-08-25 Thread Fai Mao
I have 32 spoke 650B Dyads on my Sam and rode it to Shanghai this summer.

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.comwrote:

 MY opinion and experiences says yes. I've toured on 700c Dyad rims, XT
 hubs with 32 Sapim spokes with 250 lbs with no issues. Mine were
 professionaly built and I used 28mm tires. all pavement too.

 Both your rims and hubs are fairly stout.

 ~Mike~

 On Aug 24, 9:46 pm, Bob Cooper robertcoo...@frontiernet.net wrote:
  I’m sure others will weigh in on this, but the numbers alone are not
  encouraging.
 
  Other questions:
 
  Weight distribution front and back?
  How smooth the road?
  How wide the tires?
  Diameter of the rim (20-inch, 28-inch)?
  How wide the rims?
  Off-center rims?
  How wide the OLD (126, 130, 135)?
  How many sprockets (one, five, eleven)?
 
  And now, the Pièce de résistance: Who built the wheels?
 
  My two cents,
 
  Bob

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[RBW] Re: WTB - Silver Hupe

2010-08-25 Thread GeorgeS
I gave mine away.  Anyone who sells one of those things needs to take
a long look at themselves in a mirror.

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 I'm willing to sign a disclaimer for anyone who wants to part with an
 un-loved Hupe!

 Thanks,
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[RBW] Re: For Sale: More Garage Clean Out (very extensive list)

2010-08-25 Thread rperks
I will take the Kelly Take offs  - Rob

On Aug 25, 8:52 am, XO-1.org Rough Riders adventureco...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Hello fellow Rivendell Riders. I have yet more stuff I'd like to clear
 out from my garage, so here's my new For Sale list. Please respond to
 me directly, not the whole list! First come, first served. Thanks!

 NOTE: All details and photos of many of the items are at this link:

 http://www.adventurecorps.com/forsale/index.html

 Hero GoPro helmet / bike cam. New, unused, in box, with helmet mount,
 head mount, plus several optional goodies (suction cup mount to use,
 for example, on the outside of car or plane), and the handlebar / seat
 post mount. All unused in original packaging. Original MSRP for all of
 this: $260, I believe. My price: $125.

 TA Bottle Cages: the classic, iconic, indestructible bottle cage of
 days gone by! I have three: one is mint ($50) and two are lightly used
 (one with a tiny amount of rust) for $40 each.

 Regina Record chain with gold outer plates which are drilled for
 lightness. NOS in original box. My price: $30.

 1986 Zeus Supercronos 2200 rear derailleur (capacity 13 to 30 teeth)
 WITH 1984 Zeus 2000 front derailleur (clamp on). Both are MINT,
 unused. My price for both: $50.

 Galli front and rear derailleurs, circa 1985. Black, MINT, unused
 condition. Very rare. Like the Zeus der's above, a Campy NR clone. My
 price for both: $50.

 Campy Record 9-speed Ergopower Brifters, Mint, the classic of this
 style of shifting: levers are all polished metal (no big chunks of
 plastic or cabon). Includes matching chain, also unused, and owner's
 manual. My price: $100.

 Campy C-Record brake levers with white hoods, all in excellent
 condition. Very minimal use. My price: $40.

 Suntour Superb non-aero brake levers (Campy NR clones). Very good
 condition with some scratching. Hoods dry, but not torn. Great for
 moustache bars. My price: $20.

 Simplex retrofriction shifters, yes, THOSE SHIFTERS, the classic,
 iconic ones. Very good condition. My price: $40.

 Tektro FR calipers, black color, very good condition, long reach (I
 measure the reach at 50 to 70mm, approximately). These are unlike any
 Tektros currently on the market. They are most similar to the R538,
 but there's no hole in the one arm. Allen-nutted for recessed
 mounting. I had used them to convert a 700c bike to 650B, which you
 can just barely see in one of these 
 photos:http://www.xo-1.org/2007/09/ritchey-breakaway-conversion-to-650b.html
 My price: $25.

 Tektro RX 2.0 Interruptor Levers, new in box. Silver, for use with
 caliper / canti brakes, to mount on traditional diameter h'bars. MSRP:
 $35. My price: $20.

 TA Pro-Vis 50.4 BCD cranks, MINT, 175mm lenth, WITH two TA chainrings
 (34 and 50), plus all ring-mounting hardware, AND silver foil TA
 decals for arms. All unused! MSRP: $336! My price for everything:
 $225.

 Ritchey Comp Seatpost, 27.2, black, MINT in package, 39cm long (very
 long). My price: $10.

 Chris Kelly Take-Offs: No longer made, these ingenious little devices
 allow the mounting of down-tube shifters to the inside of brake
 levers. Have brifter shifting without buying all new levers/
 shifters! Plus, the shifting mechanism is to the inside of the brake
 lever, making them much safer and protected from damage. Easy to
 install and use. Used, but 100% functional. My price: $20.

 Colorado Boomerang. New in package. Originally purchased from
 Rivendell. My price: $8.

 Alfredo Binda Toe Straps: the holy grail of toe straps with the two
 leather straps sandwiching nylon, or whatever. One pair MINT in
 original packaging. Off-white color. My price: $20.

 Bar-end Shifter Pods from Riv: New in package. MSRP: $34. My price:
 $20.

 ITM Matching leather-wrapped bars (with stem) with Tornado saddle by
 Iscaselle (similar to Turbo in shape and style. Tan color. Remember
 that early 80s style when bars matched saddles precisely and the bars
 had leather neatly stitched around them? NOS, MINT, still in original
 packaging. 12cm quill stem (black) already installed (necessarily) and
 bars are 41cm, center to center, with brake mounting bolts also
 already installed, ready to accept Campy SR or similar levers. My
 price: $40.

 Silver (that's the brand name, as you know, and the color) down-tube,
 friction shifters from Riv. New, in package. MSRP: $42. My price: $30.

 Stronglight needle bearing headset. Well used, but perfectly
 functional. NOTE: MISSING the base plate (the lowest part of the whole
 stack). Black. My price: $5.

 Shimano Dura-Ace crank arm pairs, both 165mm. Mod. 7402 era (late
 80s', 7/8-speed). Both very shiny and overall in very good condition,
 with the expected light scratching and scuffing, here and there. But I
 think they look great and if they were my size, I'd use them. These
 have a very low Q-factor. My price: $25 each.

 Shimano Dura-Ace seat post, 26.8 fluted, classic style from the 80s,
 20cm long. Overall very good condition, considering the age. I'm
 

[RBW] Re: WTB - Silver Hupe

2010-08-25 Thread Peter Pesce
I thoroughly understand all the issues with them, but if somebody paid
Riv $30 for it, I don't expect to get it for free.
I'd just rather not pay $34 (!!!) plus shipping for new one!



On Aug 25, 1:27 pm, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote:
 I gave mine away.  Anyone who sells one of those things needs to take
 a long look at themselves in a mirror.

 On Aug 24, 10:04 am, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote:



  I'm willing to sign a disclaimer for anyone who wants to part with an
  un-loved Hupe!

  Thanks,
  Pete- Hide quoted text -

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[RBW] Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

2010-08-25 Thread RJM
I am looking to get my first of two Rivendells and having a problem
deciding which is the best to go with.  I have decided that I
absolutely need an Atlantis set up as an all-around tourer.  I am
confused on the next bike though which will be the first one ordered
as I don't have a tour planned in the near future.  I want a trail-
bike that I can take on some of the singletrack nearby but also want
it to have a small front and rear rack to be able to carry some bags.

The trails aren't too technical and a non-suspended bike with 2 tires
should be awesome on them, the racks would be to hold stuff to go on
overnight lightweight camping trips.  I am looking at either a
Bombadil or a Hunqapillar and am stuck deciding which one.  I have a
PBH of 77 and weigh 220, so a stouter bike is probably the way to go.
If I am figuring this right, I would require the smallest size with
the whatever frameset I go with.   I'm just not sure which one to go
with, or if they are even that much different.

I guess it comes down to what size wheelset, 650 or 26.  What are
your opinions on it?  Do you think the Hunqapillar would make a better
bike for singletracking/camping because of the 26 wheels or would the
larger size be better?  I like the looks of the paint scheme on the
Hunquapillar and the headbadge is killer, but a solid colored
powdercoated Bombadil would be a durable bike for many years.  I think
a white one would be cool looking.

Any thoughts, comments or anything?   Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

2010-08-25 Thread Patrick in VT
On Aug 25, 2:14 pm, RJM rjme...@gmail.com wrote:

 Any thoughts, comments or anything?   Thanks.

order the Atlantis first and use it for everything until you plan a
tour.  then use that very same Atlantis for the tour.  Seriously,
after seeing 3 Atlantis(es) at D2R2 in western, MA this weekend, I got
the urge to sell all my bikes, buy an Atlantis and travel the world.
Granted, this was a very fleeting urge, but still . .. . that bike is
inspiring.  something about it is just right.

anyway, if you need the other bike, go with the one that takes 26
wheels - you'll be able to swap wheelsets with the Atlantis (i think
at your size, the Atlantis takes 26).

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

2010-08-25 Thread rcnute
I had an Atlantis briefly and did a little off-roading.  I think it
could take anything you throw at it.

Ryan

On Aug 25, 1:17 pm, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Aug 25, 2:14 pm, RJM rjme...@gmail.com wrote:

  Any thoughts, comments or anything?   Thanks.

 order the Atlantis first and use it for everything until you plan a
 tour.  then use that very same Atlantis for the tour.  Seriously,
 after seeing 3 Atlantis(es) at D2R2 in western, MA this weekend, I got
 the urge to sell all my bikes, buy an Atlantis and travel the world.
 Granted, this was a very fleeting urge, but still . .. . that bike is
 inspiring.  something about it is just right.

 anyway, if you need the other bike, go with the one that takes 26
 wheels - you'll be able to swap wheelsets with the Atlantis (i think
 at your size, the Atlantis takes 26).

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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

2010-08-25 Thread Ray Shine
In my opinion, an Atlantis will handle both types of riding no problem.  Rather 
than two bikes, just buy a second set of wheels for the Atlantis and mount 
knobbies on them.  Then you can switch out as needed.

RS





From: RJM rjme...@gmail.com
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 11:14:57 AM
Subject: [RBW] Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

I am looking to get my first of two Rivendells and having a problem
deciding which is the best to go with.  I have decided that I
absolutely need an Atlantis set up as an all-around tourer.  I am
confused on the next bike though which will be the first one ordered
as I don't have a tour planned in the near future.  I want a trail-
bike that I can take on some of the singletrack nearby but also want
it to have a small front and rear rack to be able to carry some bags.

The trails aren't too technical and a non-suspended bike with 2 tires
should be awesome on them, the racks would be to hold stuff to go on
overnight lightweight camping trips.  I am looking at either a
Bombadil or a Hunqapillar and am stuck deciding which one.  I have a
PBH of 77 and weigh 220, so a stouter bike is probably the way to go.
If I am figuring this right, I would require the smallest size with
the whatever frameset I go with.   I'm just not sure which one to go
with, or if they are even that much different.

I guess it comes down to what size wheelset, 650 or 26.  What are
your opinions on it?  Do you think the Hunqapillar would make a better
bike for singletracking/camping because of the 26 wheels or would the
larger size be better?  I like the looks of the paint scheme on the
Hunquapillar and the headbadge is killer, but a solid colored
powdercoated Bombadil would be a durable bike for many years.  I think
a white one would be cool looking.

Any thoughts, comments or anything?   Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

2010-08-25 Thread Mike
I think you should seriously consider Patrick's suggestion. I think
he's probably right. I don't own an Atlantis but I do have an AHH,
Rambouillet and a Quickbeam. All are extremely versatile. But if you
are going to have two Rivendells I strongly suggest that you make one
of them an AHH and the other an Atlantis, Hunqa or Bombadil.

I'm now off on an S24O.

--mike

On Aug 25, 1:17 pm, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Aug 25, 2:14 pm, RJM rjme...@gmail.com wrote:

  Any thoughts, comments or anything?   Thanks.

 order the Atlantis first and use it for everything until you plan a
 tour.  then use that very same Atlantis for the tour.  Seriously,
 after seeing 3 Atlantis(es) at D2R2 in western, MA this weekend, I got
 the urge to sell all my bikes, buy an Atlantis and travel the world.
 Granted, this was a very fleeting urge, but still . .. . that bike is
 inspiring.  something about it is just right.

 anyway, if you need the other bike, go with the one that takes 26
 wheels - you'll be able to swap wheelsets with the Atlantis (i think
 at your size, the Atlantis takes 26).

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

2010-08-25 Thread William
One bike and two wheelsets certainly can add some versatility to one
bike, but in 26, I don't think a Touring wheelset and a mountain
wheelset needs to be different at all.  It could just be two sets of
tires.

But when it comes to versatility on Rivendells, I think every
Rivendell out there could easily support 3 or 4 different sets of
tires for different applications.  I think the key thing to determine
whether you need two (or more) Rivendells might be handlebars.  One
bullmoose bike and one drop-bar bike, for example, would be far from
redundant.  Heck, I think two Atlantis' with two different bar setups
would be awesome.  Add in the possibility of Moustache or Alba bars,
and you might be able to justify 4 different bikes.  If you run drop
bars on everything, then you might be best served with one do-it-all
bike.

On Aug 25, 1:55 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think you should seriously consider Patrick's suggestion. I think
 he's probably right. I don't own an Atlantis but I do have an AHH,
 Rambouillet and a Quickbeam. All are extremely versatile. But if you
 are going to have two Rivendells I strongly suggest that you make one
 of them an AHH and the other an Atlantis, Hunqa or Bombadil.

 I'm now off on an S24O.

 --mike

 On Aug 25, 1:17 pm, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Aug 25, 2:14 pm, RJM rjme...@gmail.com wrote:

   Any thoughts, comments or anything?   Thanks.

  order the Atlantis first and use it for everything until you plan a
  tour.  then use that very same Atlantis for the tour.  Seriously,
  after seeing 3 Atlantis(es) at D2R2 in western, MA this weekend, I got
  the urge to sell all my bikes, buy an Atlantis and travel the world.
  Granted, this was a very fleeting urge, but still . .. . that bike is
  inspiring.  something about it is just right.

  anyway, if you need the other bike, go with the one that takes 26
  wheels - you'll be able to swap wheelsets with the Atlantis (i think
  at your size, the Atlantis takes 26).



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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

2010-08-25 Thread Rene Sterental
I started with an AHH and then added a Bombadil with the idea that the
AHH would be my road bike and the Bomba would be my MTB/eventual
touring  camping bike. Both with 700c wheels. The Bombadil proved to
be too large and I exchanged it for an Atlantis that ia virtually
identical in it's geometry to the AHH which fit perfectly. The smaller
Bomba was for 650b tires and I wanted to have the same wheels for
both.

I second Ray that if you only get one bike, it should be the Atlantis
with the extra wheelset  The second shouldn't be a Bomba or Hunqua, it
should be a Homer. An Atlamtis and a Bba/Hunqua is like having two for
the same purpose.

The idea of two Atlantis with different bar configurations is quite
intriguing... But I'd rather experwnt first, choose the preferred
setup and have one bike of each: AHH + Atlantis. I just love them!

René

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

2010-08-25 Thread Andy.M
I own an Atlantis that I just toured down the Coast from SF, and I
absolutely love it, I averaged 85 miles a day and was still very
comfortable. And I do a fair amount of trail riding, and some not too
technical single track with it.

While I was in SF, I took a ride over to Riv Headquarters and test
road a Hunqa...Great bike, but very similar(which I think was the
plan) to the Atlantis.  If I were to get another Riv, it would be set
up as a lighter/road/commuter bike, and I'd leave the Atlantis dressed
in touring/S24O gear.
-Andy

On Aug 25, 11:14 am, RJM rjme...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am looking to get my first of two Rivendells and having a problem
 deciding which is the best to go with.  I have decided that I
 absolutely need an Atlantis set up as an all-around tourer.  I am
 confused on the next bike though which will be the first one ordered
 as I don't have a tour planned in the near future.  I want a trail-
 bike that I can take on some of the singletrack nearby but also want
 it to have a small front and rear rack to be able to carry some bags.

 The trails aren't too technical and a non-suspended bike with 2 tires
 should be awesome on them, the racks would be to hold stuff to go on
 overnight lightweight camping trips.  I am looking at either a
 Bombadil or a Hunqapillar and am stuck deciding which one.  I have a
 PBH of 77 and weigh 220, so a stouter bike is probably the way to go.
 If I am figuring this right, I would require the smallest size with
 the whatever frameset I go with.   I'm just not sure which one to go
 with, or if they are even that much different.

 I guess it comes down to what size wheelset, 650 or 26.  What are
 your opinions on it?  Do you think the Hunqapillar would make a better
 bike for singletracking/camping because of the 26 wheels or would the
 larger size be better?  I like the looks of the paint scheme on the
 Hunquapillar and the headbadge is killer, but a solid colored
 powdercoated Bombadil would be a durable bike for many years.  I think
 a white one would be cool looking.

 Any thoughts, comments or anything?   Thanks.

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RE: [RBW] Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

2010-08-25 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
I have an Atlantis and a Bombadil; they were similar enough in function 
(actually, VERY similar) that I stripped the Bomba and am in the process of 
rebuilding it as a Bullmoose barred, Rohloff-equipped bike of the apocalypse.  
Which I guess is a roundabout way of saying that I agree with those who are 
urging you not to make an Atlantis and a Bomba/Hunq your two Riv bikes -- 
there's a lot of better variety in their offerings, especially the Homer. 

-Original Message-
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rene Sterental
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:05 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

I started with an AHH and then added a Bombadil with the idea that the AHH 
would be my road bike and the Bomba would be my MTB/eventual touring  camping 
bike. Both with 700c wheels. The Bombadil proved to be too large and I 
exchanged it for an Atlantis that ia virtually identical in it's geometry to 
the AHH which fit perfectly. The smaller Bomba was for 650b tires and I wanted 
to have the same wheels for both.

I second Ray that if you only get one bike, it should be the Atlantis with the 
extra wheelset  The second shouldn't be a Bomba or Hunqua, it should be a 
Homer. An Atlamtis and a Bba/Hunqua is like having two for the same purpose.

The idea of two Atlantis with different bar configurations is quite 
intriguing... But I'd rather experwnt first, choose the preferred setup and 
have one bike of each: AHH + Atlantis. I just love them!

René

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Re: [RBW] Re: Angel Island S24O

2010-08-25 Thread Rob Harrison

Clearly I fall in the soft-hearted parents category:)

I'll be sharing this with my son tonight. And placing a WTB for a  
Saddlesack Large and Platrack!


Rob in Seattle


On Aug 24, 2010, at 11:24 PM, William wrote:


OK, this is the kind of video that I think only my relatives and maybe
some soft-hearted fellow parents will enjoy, but here is my little
video edit from the trip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgVLWtYabkw


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[RBW] WTB: Saddlesack Large Platrack

2010-08-25 Thread Rob Harrison

Hey, it's worth a try. :)

Rob in Seattle

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[RBW] Re: OT: WTB Cannondale

2010-08-25 Thread Will
Hi John,

As one with a Rivendell and a 1990s Cannondale touring bike (that
wears about $450 in parts from the Rivendell catalog; see
www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/4881192742), I'm delighted with this
topic.  My suggestion would be to go to eBay  My eBay and create a
saved search with email alerts.  Maybe you are doing this already.

I also like http://bike.jaxed.com as a search tool. For example,
http://bike.jaxed.com/cgi-bin/bike.cgi?cat=bikitm=cannondalefil=sr900
reveals one SR900 right now.   The site is RSS-able.

Good luck,
Will
NYC (Chelsea)


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 Yes, I realize this is off-topic, please delete if it is outside the
 rules of the group...and I've never made an OT post before, so
 hopefully this is forgivable.

 I'm looking for an '80s Cannondale SR900, preferably red. It would be
 awesome if it had the stock Nuovo Record/Cinelli group on it, but not
 necessary. 58 cm would be best, although I'll take a 60. I believe
 this is on topic, although probably not something any of you want to
 discuss :-)

 Specifically, the one shown 
 here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/36397...@n06/sets/72157624580213191/

 You're probably going to ask why...nostalgic reasons. This was the
 bike I was obsessed with when I was about 10 years old. I ended up
 getting a crappy Raleigh Olympian with stem shifters instead, as my
 parents weren't going to invest $999 (if I recall correctly) in what
 they saw as a passing phase. If only they knew then what I know now.

 John Ferguson
 New York, NY

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Saddlesack Large Platrack

2010-08-25 Thread William
I agree with you.  You do want to buy both those things.  I'm loving
mine, on both counts.

On Aug 25, 3:48 pm, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hey, it's worth a try. :)

 Rob in Seattle

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[RBW] Re: OT: WTB Cannondale

2010-08-25 Thread William
John

It was not $999.  It was $995.  I had one, in a 58.  It was my first
nice race bike.  I bought it when I was 15, employed at a Cannondale
dealer.  Their employee purchase program was 50% of retail, so I got
mine for $497.50 + tax.  Mine was white.  A buddy of mine borrowed my
car and drove it into a garage with my bike on the roof.  That was one
of the most horrifying moments of my teen years.  The fork Cannondale
had to replace it was metallic green.  I sold the bike to a buddy, and
bought a lugged Waterford Schwinn Paramount.  I remember employee
purchase on that, too...10% off of wholesale.  That frameset was $420
wholesale, so I paid $378 + tax.

On Aug 22, 8:10 pm, John Ferguson rfj1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Yes, I realize this is off-topic, please delete if it is outside the
 rules of the group...and I've never made an OT post before, so
 hopefully this is forgivable.

 I'm looking for an '80s Cannondale SR900, preferably red. It would be
 awesome if it had the stock Nuovo Record/Cinelli group on it, but not
 necessary. 58 cm would be best, although I'll take a 60. I believe
 this is on topic, although probably not something any of you want to
 discuss :-)

 Specifically, the one shown 
 here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/36397...@n06/sets/72157624580213191/

 You're probably going to ask why...nostalgic reasons. This was the
 bike I was obsessed with when I was about 10 years old. I ended up
 getting a crappy Raleigh Olympian with stem shifters instead, as my
 parents weren't going to invest $999 (if I recall correctly) in what
 they saw as a passing phase. If only they knew then what I know now.

 John Ferguson
 New York, NY

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[RBW] Re: FS: 64cm Atlantis Frame

2010-08-25 Thread Dave Craig
Hi, folks:

Changing this deal a bit. I'm trying to sell the frame now so I can
get it shipped before I take off on month-long field expedition. I've
decided I'm comfortable with selling the frame, fork, headset,
seatpost and stem for $1000.00. Buyer pays the shipping.

I'll be selling the brakes and the Nitto rack separately along with
other garage sale items in a separate post.

Please respond off list.

Dave

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

2010-08-25 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
My initial attempt at setting up multiple cockpits is going *very*
well for me. Get the one bike; and get what you need to make it three
or four bikes as desired. I highly recommed daVinci bar-switch kits
for this purpose. They don't address the front brake issue... But...
it turns out that if you have a Paul motolite brake up front then
simply getting an extra hooked canoe and noodle (moto kit) for each
bar really makes things easy.

I've got Albatross and Moustache bars set up this way for my
Hillborne. Makes it two completely different bikes. The initial set up
of the da Vinci splitters is somewhat tedious. But on my very first
switch of bars I did not have to adjust a thing; my indexing and
brakes were good to go. Definitely more economical than multiple
bikes.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn skean

On Aug 25, 5:16 pm, Allingham II, Thomas J
thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote:
 I have an Atlantis and a Bombadil; they were similar enough in function 
 (actually, VERY similar) that I stripped the Bomba and am in the process of 
 rebuilding it as a Bullmoose barred, Rohloff-equipped bike of the apocalypse. 
  Which I guess is a roundabout way of saying that I agree with those who are 
 urging you not to make an Atlantis and a Bomba/Hunq your two Riv bikes -- 
 there's a lot of better variety in their offerings, especially the Homer.



 -Original Message-
 From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rene Sterental
 Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:05 PM
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

 I started with an AHH and then added a Bombadil with the idea that the AHH 
 would be my road bike and the Bomba would be my MTB/eventual touring  
 camping bike. Both with 700c wheels. The Bombadil proved to be too large and 
 I exchanged it for an Atlantis that ia virtually identical in it's geometry 
 to the AHH which fit perfectly. The smaller Bomba was for 650b tires and I 
 wanted to have the same wheels for both.

 I second Ray that if you only get one bike, it should be the Atlantis with 
 the extra wheelset  The second shouldn't be a Bomba or Hunqua, it should be a 
 Homer. An Atlamtis and a Bba/Hunqua is like having two for the same purpose.

 The idea of two Atlantis with different bar configurations is quite 
 intriguing... But I'd rather experwnt first, choose the preferred setup and 
 have one bike of each: AHH + Atlantis. I just love them!

 René

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

2010-08-25 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
And have just one bike HAHAHAHAHAHA

On Aug 25, 3:47 pm, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 In my opinion, an Atlantis will handle both types of riding no problem.  
 Rather
 than two bikes, just buy a second set of wheels for the Atlantis and mount
 knobbies on them.  Then you can switch out as needed.

 RS

 
 From: RJM rjme...@gmail.com
 To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 11:14:57 AM
 Subject: [RBW] Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

 I am looking to get my first of two Rivendells and having a problem
 deciding which is the best to go with.  I have decided that I
 absolutely need an Atlantis set up as an all-around tourer.  I am
 confused on the next bike though which will be the first one ordered
 as I don't have a tour planned in the near future.  I want a trail-
 bike that I can take on some of the singletrack nearby but also want
 it to have a small front and rear rack to be able to carry some bags.

 The trails aren't too technical and a non-suspended bike with 2 tires
 should be awesome on them, the racks would be to hold stuff to go on
 overnight lightweight camping trips.  I am looking at either a
 Bombadil or a Hunqapillar and am stuck deciding which one.  I have a
 PBH of 77 and weigh 220, so a stouter bike is probably the way to go.
 If I am figuring this right, I would require the smallest size with
 the whatever frameset I go with.   I'm just not sure which one to go
 with, or if they are even that much different.

 I guess it comes down to what size wheelset, 650 or 26.  What are
 your opinions on it?  Do you think the Hunqapillar would make a better
 bike for singletracking/camping because of the 26 wheels or would the
 larger size be better?  I like the looks of the paint scheme on the
 Hunquapillar and the headbadge is killer, but a solid colored
 powdercoated Bombadil would be a durable bike for many years.  I think
 a white one would be cool looking.

 Any thoughts, comments or anything?   Thanks.

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[RBW] FS: MB-2 parts, RB-2 Parts and more

2010-08-25 Thread Johnny Alien
I have the following items for sale.  Price are postage paid.

Nitto made Ritchey Force 22.2 stem from 1993 MB-2: This item is in
very good condition.  Very little wear at all. $20

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/0825001947.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/0825001947a.jpg

Nitto made Ritchey Force handlebar from 1993 MB-2: Also in fantastic
condition.  Very minor scratches that you cannot see unless close up
and anal.  Almost new. $30

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/0821001258.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/0821001259a.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/0821001259.jpg

Avocet Racing Saddle:  Great saddle with little wear but a small tear
in the back sadly.  Small but still a blemish.  $18

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/0825001945.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/0825001945a.jpg

Dian-Compe Blaze BRS 400 barke set from 1991 RB-2:  some of the text
has rubbed off of the left brake lever but other than that they are in
great condition.  Nice light weight sidepulls. $20

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/0825001946.jpg

Christophe Pedal Cages: Old and french (I think).  They need cleaned
up but they are nice and vintage.  $7

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/0825001946a.jpg

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[RBW] FS: 60cm Ram F/F/HS, blue/white

2010-08-25 Thread pruckelshaus
Need to finance the next frame I'm building, so it's time for my
previous ride to go.  Blue  white, some paint chips but never crashed
and straight as an arrow.  Looking for $850 plus shipping.  I'm in
19426 if you're local and want to see it in person.  If interested,
email me and I'll send you a link to download a zip of the full
resolution photos I took of it.

Pete

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

2010-08-25 Thread doug peterson
RJM:

Congrats on planning to get a pair of Rivendells.  Now I'll toss in
the curve:  just buy an Atlantis and a couple of sets of tires.  I've
been riding mine wherever for over 7 years now.  The standard
Paselas suffered a bit off road but I've been using 35 mm Schwalbe
Marathon Supremes for a few years  they work fine on So Cal jeep
trails, fire roads, etc.  They are a bit narrow for deep sand.

The Atlantis is my touring bike, trail bike, riding around town bike.
OTH, you could probably tour just as well on a Bomba or Hunq.  One of
the beauties of Rivendell is that the bikes are simply not that
specialized; they do a lot of stuff wonderfully.

dougP

On Aug 25, 11:14 am, RJM rjme...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am looking to get my first of two Rivendells and having a problem
 deciding which is the best to go with.  I have decided that I
 absolutely need an Atlantis set up as an all-around tourer.  I am
 confused on the next bike though which will be the first one ordered
 as I don't have a tour planned in the near future.  I want a trail-
 bike that I can take on some of the singletrack nearby but also want
 it to have a small front and rear rack to be able to carry some bags.

 The trails aren't too technical and a non-suspended bike with 2 tires
 should be awesome on them, the racks would be to hold stuff to go on
 overnight lightweight camping trips.  I am looking at either a
 Bombadil or a Hunqapillar and am stuck deciding which one.  I have a
 PBH of 77 and weigh 220, so a stouter bike is probably the way to go.
 If I am figuring this right, I would require the smallest size with
 the whatever frameset I go with.   I'm just not sure which one to go
 with, or if they are even that much different.

 I guess it comes down to what size wheelset, 650 or 26.  What are
 your opinions on it?  Do you think the Hunqapillar would make a better
 bike for singletracking/camping because of the 26 wheels or would the
 larger size be better?  I like the looks of the paint scheme on the
 Hunquapillar and the headbadge is killer, but a solid colored
 powdercoated Bombadil would be a durable bike for many years.  I think
 a white one would be cool looking.

 Any thoughts, comments or anything?   Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

2010-08-25 Thread RJM
Thanks for all the suggestions.

I was thinking two bikes because one would have drop bars, barcons and
front and rear pannier racks and the other bike, the trail worthy
bike, would have bullmoose bars and paul's thumbies with a small
front and rear rack.  I could probably do with one bike though, maybe
with an albatross bar set up and just swap rack setups or wheelsets.
It's definately a good idea.

I guess one question would be, Would the Atlantis be the better choice
or would the Hunqapillar/Bombadil be the better all around bike?  I do
like the look of the Atlantis frameset, but wonder if a slightly
sloping top-tube would be beneficial with my short PBH.

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[RBW] Rivendell Atlantis 64 cm - Pictures now available - $1800 (Chevy Chase, MD)

2010-08-25 Thread steve
PICTURES NOW UP

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/bik/1907758338.html

Possibly the finest steel touring bike available
Made in Japan by Toyo with legendary quality
Rivendell is known for its exceptional handling and ride

Frame is in excellent shape
Nitto stem 9 cm
Nitto Noodle bar 46 cm
Shimano brake levers  bar ends
Tektro 720 interruptor brakes
Tektro Oryx canti brakes
Shimano Deore rear derailleur; 105 front
Deore hubs; 36-hole Synergy Velocity rims
Conti Top Touring 2000 tires
Sugino crank triple
Japanese cloth tape

Saddle and pedals not included (can be added)

Steve Brent

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Saddlesack Large Platrack

2010-08-25 Thread Patrick in VT
On Aug 25, 6:48 pm, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote:

if i were setting up a porteur, I'd do the same thing.  my buddy is
using that big 'ole bag on a VO porteur rack - it's a killer set up!

pics here - 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bthelewis/sets/72157623654556019/with/4699977936/




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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

2010-08-25 Thread Ray Shine
Another thought (actually, two thoughts):

1) How about an Atlantis, two wheel sets, two switchable cockpits plus a Roadeo 
for fast road rides?

or,

2) How about an Atlantis as per above, and a Gomez mixte (650b) with Alba bars 
for errands, commuting, rain (with fenders) and occasional trails?





From: RJM rjme...@gmail.com
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 2:30:58 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

Thanks for all the suggestions.

I was thinking two bikes because one would have drop bars, barcons and
front and rear pannier racks and the other bike, the trail worthy
bike, would have bullmoose bars and paul's thumbies with a small
front and rear rack.  I could probably do with one bike though, maybe
with an albatross bar set up and just swap rack setups or wheelsets.
It's definately a good idea.

I guess one question would be, Would the Atlantis be the better choice
or would the Hunqapillar/Bombadil be the better all around bike?  I do
like the look of the Atlantis frameset, but wonder if a slightly
sloping top-tube would be beneficial with my short PBH.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

2010-08-25 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
thill@gmail.com wrote:
 And have just one bike HAHAHAHAHAHA



+1 :)

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

2010-08-25 Thread jamison brosseau
if you can afford two, get three.

On Aug 25, 9:33 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

 thill@gmail.com wrote:
  And have just one bike HAHAHAHAHAHA

 +1 :)

 -sv

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?

2010-08-25 Thread doug peterson
Never ridden a Bomba or Hunq; no clue how they would differ from the
Atlantis.  The Atlantis has a slightly sloping TT.  I'm in the overlap
region between 58  61, and went with the 58.  100 mm stem, bars set
even with the seat  no clearance problems or any other fit issues.

Riv is pretty easy to work with on questions.  See what they think.
Better yet, go for a visit.

dougP

On Aug 25, 2:30 pm, RJM rjme...@gmail.com wrote:

 I guess one question would be, Would the Atlantis be the better choice
 or would the Hunqapillar/Bombadil be the better all around bike?  I do
 like the look of the Atlantis frameset, but wonder if a slightly
 sloping top-tube would be beneficial with my short PBH.

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