Re: [RBW] Shimmy, according to BQ NRC
I rode motorcycles about 30 years ago, and there was an aftermarket product that was seen as having the potential to help - the adjustable hydraulic steering damper. It was a miniature version of a car shock absorber, looking about as large around as a tailgate lifter off of a modern car. They often had an adjuster knob so you could find your sweet spot. On my mid-'70s Suzuki triples I never really saw much of a shimmy problem, plus I was way too cheap to buy anything extra back then. But I rode with owners of BMWs (in some cases the short wheelbase ones), Triumphs, Nortons, Vincents, Ducatis, and just about anything else. For the record, the Suzukis did keep up, but not in raw speed. Back to the topic, those who used the damper said it did actually reduce speed wobble and increase their confidence in their bikes. Based on these stories that I recall, I would assume that the apparent effectiveness of a needle bearing headset is in fact based on adding drag to the function of the headset bearings. One way to test the effectiveness of added drag would be to set up a bike that has shimmy problems with a low-cost ball bearing headset and ride it at settings that have differing degrees of drag. Another way to add drag might be to add rubber wraps around the headset upper or lower bearing sets, something like a Lizard Skin outer headset water shield. I don't have much problem with shimmy, so I don't really have the starting point. But maybe someone might want to try this? On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:10 PM, stanwas...@bellsouth.net wrote: I worked in a multi line motorcycle shop from '85 - '95, and have been happily riding motorcycles and bicycles for many, many years. Not surprisingly, motorcycles experience a similar phenomenon Because of the greater vehicle mass and higher speeds, a simple wobble or shimmy can quickly become what is referred to as a dreaded high speed wobble or tank slapper. I have a few friends who have experienced the latter -one fair outcome, all the rest terrible. I have only experienced a minor decel wobble on a beloved old Airhead BMW myself. Just as with bicycles, there is no one answer. Correct steering head bearing adjustment is critical, but not the magic bullet. Proper rear fork (swingarm) bearing adjustment,especially on the aforementioned Airhead BMW's, frame alignment, tire selection, tire air pressure, load placement etc. are also important to eliminating the problem. (Sound familiar?) Most of the folks I spoke with complained of what is referred to as a decel wobble. That is, after leaving go of the handlebar and as the bike loses ground speed, a slight wobble would occur. This minor wobble can get out of hand quickly if not corrected. The correction is to *gently* return ones hands back where they belonged. A decel wobble typically occurs around 40ish mph. Having experienced it myself, I assure you I wasn't being flip when I would suggest to folks that there was really no good reason for removing ones hands from the controls of a single track vehicle until it came to a stop. Then I would run through the litany of checks and adjustments that may correct the problem. Some time ago I read somewhere, here perhaps, that a possible technique for eliminating a shimmy on a bicycle was to gently apply pressure to the top tube with one's knee, assuming one could not be bothered to return ones hands to the bars. I can't remember which of my three bikes exhibit a shimmy with hands removed, but the other two do not. In my experience with whichever bike it is, I have found that to be effective in eliminating the shimmy. Of course, not removing my paws from the bars stops the problem from occurring in the first place. For reference, some of you may find David L. Hough's Proficient Motorcycling an interesting read. I have been riding bicycles since 1961 and motorcycles since 1966. I always thought I knew what I was doing until I read David's book. I thing you will find that much of the information presented in that book regarding handling readily applies to bicycles. Take care folks. Stan Columbia, SC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?
Ray provided a link to the reflective Triangle that Rivendell sells. When I'm commuting in the dark, I always use multiple LED lights and reflective things. When I was riding home from work in the dark last year my wife drove buy me on our street. She first saw the LED lights (Planet Bike Super Flash and CatEye LD-1100), then she saw the reflective triangle, both well before she saw me. I try and light up to the stupid level...if someone hits me they are going to look stupid explaining to the police that they didn't see me. Stay safe. Angus On Dec 10, 4:54 pm, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/back-off-triangle/31-460 From: newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 12:15:36 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary? Ray, you didn't answer the second part of the question: What about people who can't afford to keep CatEye in business? ... And let's not forget wildlife. I assume deer, moose and racoon should be responsible for acquiring and using their own battery- powered hi-viz gear. I guess for pets, the onus is on the cat and dog owners to adorn them in electric-light vests. Lest the blame for their deaths be on them. Just to be clear I think wearing this stuff is smarty-pants to the nines... my beef is with how the blame 'sharing' is apportioned sometimes. On Dec 10, 2:50 pm, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Yes. newenglandbike wrote: What about pedestrians, should they be all ablaze too? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Shimmy, according to BQ NRC
On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 23:10 -0500, stanwas...@bellsouth.net wrote: Some time ago I read somewhere, here perhaps, that a possible technique for eliminating a shimmy on a bicycle was to gently apply pressure to the top tube with one's knee, assuming one could not be bothered to return ones hands to the bars. I can't remember which of my three bikes exhibit a shimmy with hands removed, but the other two do not. In my experience with whichever bike it is, I have found that to be effective in eliminating the shimmy. Of course, not removing my paws from the bars stops the problem from occurring in the first place. Knee to top tube is a highly effective and well known (in my experience) way to stop /speed wobble/ -- as distinguished from shimmy. And speed wobble happens with hands on the bars, in fact can be caused by those hands on the bar (death grip or shivering). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Cork Grips
You could also split each grip down the enter lengthwise, glue-'em back together over the bars, and do a cloth-wrap twine/shellack job to finish it off. I wrapped a set of cork grips myself and it feels pretty good. You would never see the split once it's done. Marty On Dec 10, 4:15 pm, Michael DiBenedetto climbthem...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a photo of Kevin's crazy wrap?? Thanks Michael On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:18 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I did Keven-Mowen-inspired-seven-layer-dip-of-grips 1. Layer of cork tape 2. Layer of cork tape 3. Layer of cloth 4. Layer of cloth 5. Twine on the ends 6. Shellac 7. More shellac By now i've done a couple more coats of shellac. On Dec 10, 12:59 pm, williwoods willh...@yahoo.com wrote: yup I confirm it would not make the bend, the Portuguese cork grips would be pretty cool to cut back into rings and re-glue. On Dec 10, 10:11 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:09 PM, George Schick bhim...@gmail.com wrote: How flexible are cork grips? Reason I ask is because I'd like to put them on a pair of cow horn bars I have on my Surly 1x1 (like the ones in this photohttp://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/surly1x1.html), but I'm not sure they can make it around the bends without cracking. If they can't make it around the bends, can one side of them be slit with a utility knife, slipped over the bar flats, and be glued on as Riv advises with Permatex and not slip? If this will not work effectively can the slit/glued grips be wrapped tightly with waxed linen cord to secure them? It has been my experience they are not flexible enough to make a bend like that. Maybe you should go with cork tape? Alternatively get a cork grip and cut it into rings. Then reassemble the rings with glue on the section you want. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Michael DiBenedettowww.lifeforcemassage.com Strategies for Healthy Living Your Path toward Optimum Wellness 3190 Old Tunnel Road Lafayette, CA 94598 925 899 2785 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli
Okay, am now officially jealous. Thursday - 20 hour power outage. Bikes locked in garage. Today (Saturday) about 4 or 5 inches of snow with a lot more coming. Mebbe a foot or more. And windy. If I'm foolhardy, will try to ride one mile to a store and back. Just to get out. Otherwise it's the Hillborne on the trainer (gack!) At least will get some guitar practice in and hopefully catch up on reading. Plus, my order of Ballast Point Big Eye IPA showed up. So am prepared and willing to weather out any storm. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 10, 9:40 pm, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:16, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Looking for a last minute stocking stuffer idea: Hop on your bike and go for a ride with us Saturday morning! Best mixed terrain ride in SoCal! Meeting in Santa Monica @ Peets on Montana 14th. Ride is planned to be underway @ 10:00, so get their early enough to hang out and prepare yourself for the ride by (ogle bike drink espresso!). http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_apprec... Good Evening RBWers and iBOBers, I am planning to join tomorrow's Santa Monica Mountains ride. I'm hoping for good weather. There were some unwholesome, warm gusty winds while I was coming home from work, but tomorrow's forecast sounds pretty good - highs in the mid-70s with north winds at 1 mph. I'll be taking the white Nishiki with the 37mm Paselas. James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Shimmy, according to BQ
Two (hopefully quick) examples from my limited experience in the past few years. Worst shimmy ever had was on a 1st generation Kogswell that Esteban now owns. Would even shimmy when riding with both hands on the bars. A guess - my weight at the time acted to overload the bike causing the shimmy. Some day would love to ride that bike again and see if my losing 40 or so pounds from that time makes a difference. My Sam Hillborne had some tendency to shimmy in certain occasions. Even with Marathon Supreme tires. Earlier this summer had Hiawatha Cyclery install a Shimano 105 headset instead of the one that comes with the bike. Shimmy has stopped. A number of reasons that could be. No matter what, am even a happier camper with the bike. Still waiting for my BQ. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 11, 1:13 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 12/10/10 10:03 AM, William at tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Since I'm growing convinced that there might not be anyone who really understands shimmy, I'm going to run some experiments of my own on my Hillborne to attempt to understand it more. Since that bike, in it's current state, shimmies willingly when riding no-handed at 15mph on a smooth flat road, I think I have a decent baseline and reasonably reproducable test environment. I'm going to try several (numerous?) things, and I'll at least try to take better than normal notes, and see if I can learn anything. There have been several significant discussions of shimmy on the iBob list reasonably recently and over the years. Ride buddy JimG has also documented his shimmy experiences and expermenting/troubleshooting with a non-Rivendell bicycle via his blog (which can be found viahttp://yojimg.net/bike) There are certainly variables he found to damp or reduce speed-specific oscillations. http://sfcyclotouring.blogspot.com/search?q=shimmy And just to mention too, that a general discussion of BQ articles is probably best discussed on a more general list. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com Then I sat up, wiped the water out of my eyes, and looked at my bike, and just like that I knew it was dead -- Robert McCammon, Boy's Life -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?
My own short way of thinking about it is I am invisible. My bikes have one or two tail lights, a couple of headlights. Usually wear a reflective vest and my bags have reflecting areas on them. With the way drivers generally react, am still totally and completely invisible. There are limits to when and how I'll ride. Right now we are in a winter storm/blizzard. Probably will not go for a ride today. Probably. Also, when the temps are well below zero, usually will not ride. At that point, mechanical failure seems to be more common. I can be fairly unlucky that way. Will also admit to being a total chicken. However, have been known in the past to not wear a helmet in terrible conditions. Mainly as my headgear of choice is a Columbia bomber hat that I've owned since 1982 and still keeps me warm. But will not fit under any helmet. For Rivendell content - this is the time of year where I won't take my Sam Hillborne outside. Unfortunately for it, the bike is relegated to trainer duty for a second year. Am actually trying studded tires on my two other bikes and they will share winter duties. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 11, 6:25 am, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Ray provided a link to the reflective Triangle that Rivendell sells. When I'm commuting in the dark, I always use multiple LED lights and reflective things. When I was riding home from work in the dark last year my wife drove buy me on our street. She first saw the LED lights (Planet Bike Super Flash and CatEye LD-1100), then she saw the reflective triangle, both well before she saw me. I try and light up to the stupid level...if someone hits me they are going to look stupid explaining to the police that they didn't see me. Stay safe. Angus -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?
Actually this was much better than karaoke... I had a great dinner at the pub and enjoyed 3 great beers, including one of my favorites, Ommegang Rare Vos... I was looking forward to a nice ride home, so I started up the canal path, when I encountered a veritable mob of cyclists (with blinding lights), heading the opposite way... I knew a few of these lads, and realized they were several miles into their annual 60 mile night ride to Trenton and back... Like a scene out of Doctor Zhivago, when the Bolsheviks force Yuri (on his way to town) to join up with them... I was forced to join the mob 40 miles and several hours later I had ridden into Princeton, then down to Trenton and back along the DR Canal. (I called my son at home from the streets of Trenton and told him This is Dad... I'm in Trenton, I'm on my bike, I'm OK... tell Mom I'm with a group of bikers, and not to worry, I'll be home very late) Temps were in the 20s, but there was no wind and skies were clear... PERFECT for night-riding. (And I have to say, I felt so comfortable and relaxed on my Bombadil for the entire ride, even more than most of the other riders, many who were complaining of aches and sore butts from riding their cross bikes, mountain bikes, etc...) At first, a few looked at me like I was nuts, riding this big (and comparatively heavy) bike with baskets and racks, wearing jeans and street shoes... By the end of the night they were asking WHAT kind of bike is that?... Peace, BB On Dec 10, 4:52 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: 3 and I'm singing old Bread tunes on the Karaoke machine. For all our sakes we definitely hope you stick with 2! On Dec 10, 3:24 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: You give me WAY too much credit, friend... I'm a cheap date. 2 pints is my max... 3 and I'm singing old Bread tunes on the Karaoke machine. But either way, I ALWAYS ride in control, thank you. Peace, BB On Dec 10, 4:13 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The biggest sacrifice from the big BobbyB will be if he forgoes pint number 11 in the interest of keeping his head about him. We'll see if he can take his convictions that far On Dec 10, 12:38 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: It's a shared responsibility, period... AND a matter of common sense. We debate this topic ad nauseum within the cycling community in my home state of NJ, in terms of who has what rights, and who has accountability... Although I'd much rather be cycling than driving, I spend far more time as a motorist than as a cyclist, so my take on this issue: AS A CYCLIST I try to maintain the mindset that I'm merely one bad situation away from being mowed down, so I try to stack the odds in my favor by any and all means necessary. That includes riding where there are fewest cars. One of the great things about riding a Riv, I can take sidewalks, paths, alleyways with rough surface... I don't have to stick to the car routes. But when that's impractical and I'm forced to ride with traffic I make sure I can be clearly seen and that I stay out of the way of motorists, regardless of what I perceive my rights as a cyclist to be. I don't care about whether I'm right; I just care about not getting hit. I say ride defensively in every way possible AS A MOTORIST I try to maintain the mindset that I'm merely one bad situation away from hitting another motorist, a cyclist, pedestrian, deer, etc., so again, it's a matter of stacking the odds in my favor, like slowing down, and maybe being aware of the stretches of road where people, deer, and ninja-clad-stealth-night-riders all lurk. It comes down to this: If you allow yourself to fall into a situation where someone else's misjudgment, compounded with your own misjudgment creates conditions that are ripe for an accident, it's time to rethink your role in that equation. I say drive defensively in every way possible. Tonight I'll be driving home from the office and then riding my bike to my favorite pub... First, (thanks to this enlightening conversation) I'll take my time driving home. Then before I hop on my Riv, I'll trade my jacket with the reflectorized bands for my wife's blazing DOT vest (she's an EMT)... No such thing as overkill... just gotta stack those odds... Peace, BB On Dec 10, 2:42 pm, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Drivers.. they're you and me. They're not me... i don't drive. nor do many others. Most who don't, can't afford to own a car. That's the real world. On Dec 10, 2:36 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 11:20 -0800, newenglandbike wrote: I'm all for riding with lights and reflective gear, and do it myself, but take umbrage to the blame-the-victim attitude
[RBW] Front racks with fender bosses for the Ram?
I’ve been talking offline to Mike “Leaf Slayer” about this; thought I’d open up the question to a larger audience. If you had a Ram (i.e., standard caliper brakes) and Riv's fork braze- ons for a small front rack, the Mark’s Rack is the best choice right? (i.e., this http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/4436889284) But what if you also wanted a front rack with a fender attachment boss under the middle cross-piece, a la the Nitto M12? Has anyone here found such a rack with a fender boss that works with caliper brakes and the Rivendell rack braze-ons (without going custom)? Thanks. Will -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Front racks with fender bosses for the Ram?
Depending on where the eyelets are mounted, this might work: http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/racks/vo-randonneur-front-rack-stainless-steel.html There's also a version with an integrated decaleur. Bill On Dec 11, 7:31 am, Will M wpm...@gmail.com wrote: I’ve been talking offline to Mike “Leaf Slayer” about this; thought I’d open up the question to a larger audience. If you had a Ram (i.e., standard caliper brakes) and Riv's fork braze- ons for a small front rack, the Mark’s Rack is the best choice right? (i.e., thishttp://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/4436889284) But what if you also wanted a front rack with a fender attachment boss under the middle cross-piece, a la the Nitto M12? Has anyone here found such a rack with a fender boss that works with caliper brakes and the Rivendell rack braze-ons (without going custom)? Thanks. Will -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Shimmy, according to BQ
I had an experiance with a high speed shimmy .. always over 50 mph and if I was trying to turn it was even worse. Tried everything. Giant eventually gave me a new frame .. only because they didn't have a matching fork for the frame I had.. in that case they believed it to be in the frame. It was pure torture.. I don't like being afraid of my bike, but after having it shimmy/shake at 57 mph in a turn I was afraid of that bike at speed. Another time at 63 mph. Headsets, wheels, tires, handle bars, stems.. seat adjustments.. what's worse the only way to test to see if it's fixed was to get back to that speed. After I got the new frame is was like night and day.. and relaized the bike had been loose or looser than the new one.. loose = not as stable even in those 30 40 mph turns as the new one.. I trying to say that means anything.. just saying I don't agree that shimmy is part of a bike or that we should have to suck it up. If a bike shimmy's it takes the fun and love for the bike away.. a deep gut renching saddness that the bike isn't what it should be. As a consumer a shimmy on a new bike is not acceptable to me. Period. I expect the answer to be found... in design or something. Later Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] New (to me) Quickbeam
I promised myself no more bikes. In a moment of weakness this morning I bought myself a saaaweeet Quickbeam with a gorgeous custom paint job. It's a steel blue/grey metallic with a light grey barber pole stripe on the seat tube. Only thing is it has no head badge. Long shot.. would any of you fine folk have an unneeded one and be willing to sell it to a fellow RBW Owners bunch member??? Many thanks, Clyde Canter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Shimmy, according to BQ
Shimmy,shimmy,cocoa pop On Dec 10, 1:03 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I am a recent subscriber of Bicycle Quarterly. I had thought about subscribing for a while, and two things about the newest issue made me pull the trigger. One was the write up about the Bilenky 650B tandem (dude, I want one). The other was the article about shimmy. I know Jan Heine has a reputation under some sections of the big tent of cycling, and I was interested to hear what he had to say. I expected by now somebody would have started a thread about the shimmy article, but it is towards the back. My Samuel Hillborne is the first bike I've owned that has a pronounced tendency to shimmy when riding no- handed. I'm not the most experienced rider. I've only had 30 or 40 different bikes in my lifetime, so I don't have nearly the experience Jan does. I hoped to gain a greater understanding of the problem and maybe do something about it on my Sam. Unfortunately, I found the article almost entirely unsatisfying. The Cliff-notes synopsis is: I don't know what causes shimmy, nor does anyone else. Here's what several oldschool guys said about shimmy. They were wrong. I can't take a bike that doesn't shimmy and change it into a bike that does shimmy. Even though I don't have any ideas about the causes or the solutions, you should absolutely swap your headset to needle bearings if your bike shimmies and hope for the best, even though I don't know if it will help, and maybe will make it worse Now don't get me wrong. I don't understand shimmy, but I came to the article with the attitude of student. The only other articles I've read on the topic are Sheldon Brown's (RIP) very brief glossary discussion and the Jobst Brandt article. For Jan to put the single word Shimmy on the cover, and to title his article What Causes Shimmy? suggests that he knows something. The article content itself suggests to me that Jan might not know any more about shimmy than any of us. That's not necessarily a bad thing: I'm convinced it's a complex problem. But I'd almost rather see a person in a pedagogical position of leadership to say Hey, I know a lot, but I don't understand shimmy. Here's some anecdotal observations I've made. Here's some anecdotes I've heard, but haven't verified. and just end it there. Since I'm growing convinced that there might not be anyone who really understands shimmy, I'm going to run some experiments of my own on my Hillborne to attempt to understand it more. Since that bike, in it's current state, shimmies willingly when riding no-handed at 15mph on a smooth flat road, I think I have a decent baseline and reasonably reproducable test environment. I'm going to try several (numerous?) things, and I'll at least try to take better than normal notes, and see if I can learn anything. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New (to me) Quickbeam
If no one here has one, i'd suggest giving Rivendell a call; there's a good chance they can hook you up with one. On Dec 11, 2:15 pm, ccanter clyde.can...@gmail.com wrote: I promised myself no more bikes. In a moment of weakness this morning I bought myself a saaaweeet Quickbeam with a gorgeous custom paint job. It's a steel blue/grey metallic with a light grey barber pole stripe on the seat tube. Only thing is it has no head badge. Long shot.. would any of you fine folk have an unneeded one and be willing to sell it to a fellow RBW Owners bunch member??? Many thanks, Clyde Canter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Front racks with fender bosses for the Ram?
Will, This isn't an RBW or even Nitto product but it is IMHO the best rack for a bike that has a caliper brake and fork dropout eyelets: http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/racks/vo-constructeur-front-rack.html. It is a bit of a project to install, but sits nice and low, has a fender mount and doesn't use any clamps. Merry Christmas, Doug On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Will M wpm...@gmail.com wrote: I’ve been talking offline to Mike “Leaf Slayer” about this; thought I’d open up the question to a larger audience. If you had a Ram (i.e., standard caliper brakes) and Riv's fork braze- ons for a small front rack, the Mark’s Rack is the best choice right? (i.e., this http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/4436889284) But what if you also wanted a front rack with a fender attachment boss under the middle cross-piece, a la the Nitto M12? Has anyone here found such a rack with a fender boss that works with caliper brakes and the Rivendell rack braze-ons (without going custom)? Thanks. Will -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Soma San Marcos today at Riv HQ
i was there to buy a couple of things. got to see and ride two prototypes. i thought they were both aesthetically gorgeous. i am sucker for many of grant's color choices; the oranges, the hillborne green, and wonder if the production sans will end up in the blue i saw today. i am a rider who appreciates bikes built mostly for paved smoothish roads. so the shorter wheelbase of the san wouuld be a choice for me. both protos had pretty fat tires and my around the block ride was tantalizing. i'd love to try one shod with pro race 25's. that might make me want/buy one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Shimmy, according to BQ
Which must the Motown view ... On Saturday, December 11, 2010, hobie moho1...@yahoo.com wrote: Shimmy,shimmy,cocoa pop On Dec 10, 1:03 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I am a recent subscriber of Bicycle Quarterly. I had thought about subscribing for a while, and two things about the newest issue made me pull the trigger. One was the write up about the Bilenky 650B tandem (dude, I want one). The other was the article about shimmy. I know Jan Heine has a reputation under some sections of the big tent of cycling, and I was interested to hear what he had to say. I expected by now somebody would have started a thread about the shimmy article, but it is towards the back. My Samuel Hillborne is the first bike I've owned that has a pronounced tendency to shimmy when riding no- handed. I'm not the most experienced rider. I've only had 30 or 40 different bikes in my lifetime, so I don't have nearly the experience Jan does. I hoped to gain a greater understanding of the problem and maybe do something about it on my Sam. Unfortunately, I found the article almost entirely unsatisfying. The Cliff-notes synopsis is: I don't know what causes shimmy, nor does anyone else. Here's what several oldschool guys said about shimmy. They were wrong. I can't take a bike that doesn't shimmy and change it into a bike that does shimmy. Even though I don't have any ideas about the causes or the solutions, you should absolutely swap your headset to needle bearings if your bike shimmies and hope for the best, even though I don't know if it will help, and maybe will make it worse Now don't get me wrong. I don't understand shimmy, but I came to the article with the attitude of student. The only other articles I've read on the topic are Sheldon Brown's (RIP) very brief glossary discussion and the Jobst Brandt article. For Jan to put the single word Shimmy on the cover, and to title his article What Causes Shimmy? suggests that he knows something. The article content itself suggests to me that Jan might not know any more about shimmy than any of us. That's not necessarily a bad thing: I'm convinced it's a complex problem. But I'd almost rather see a person in a pedagogical position of leadership to say Hey, I know a lot, but I don't understand shimmy. Here's some anecdotal observations I've made. Here's some anecdotes I've heard, but haven't verified. and just end it there. Since I'm growing convinced that there might not be anyone who really understands shimmy, I'm going to run some experiments of my own on my Hillborne to attempt to understand it more. Since that bike, in it's current state, shimmies willingly when riding no-handed at 15mph on a smooth flat road, I think I have a decent baseline and reasonably reproducable test environment. I'm going to try several (numerous?) things, and I'll at least try to take better than normal notes, and see if I can learn anything. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Soma San Marcos today at Riv HQ
I am also intrigued by this bike. Did ya take any pictures? Rob in Seattle On Dec 11, 2010, at 2:40 PM, eflayer wrote: i was there to buy a couple of things. got to see and ride two prototypes. i thought they were both aesthetically gorgeous. i am sucker for many of grant's color choices; the oranges, the hillborne green, and wonder if the production sans will end up in the blue i saw today. i am a rider who appreciates bikes built mostly for paved smoothish roads. so the shorter wheelbase of the san wouuld be a choice for me. both protos had pretty fat tires and my around the block ride was tantalizing. i'd love to try one shod with pro race 25's. that might make me want/buy one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos today at Riv HQ
did not have camera as i had no idea there would be anything to shoot. if you are half way interested now, i believe you will be in with two feet when they arrive. let me say again, it really does fit my riding style, i am intrigued by good looking sloping framesets, especially lugged ones; which are few and far between. and my socks nearly flew off at first sight of san. not trying to hype it, i swear. just my random reactions. looks like larger sizes may have double top tubes and THOSE ARE NOT MY STYLE...YET. the extra weight,the look, and the no good reason all have me do the negative on 2 tops. On Dec 11, 3:50 pm, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote: I am also intrigued by this bike. Did ya take any pictures? Rob in Seattle On Dec 11, 2010, at 2:40 PM, eflayer wrote: i was there to buy a couple of things. got to see and ride two prototypes. i thought they were both aesthetically gorgeous. i am sucker for many of grant's color choices; the oranges, the hillborne green, and wonder if the production sans will end up in the blue i saw today. i am a rider who appreciates bikes built mostly for paved smoothish roads. so the shorter wheelbase of the san wouuld be a choice for me. both protos had pretty fat tires and my around the block ride was tantalizing. i'd love to try one shod with pro race 25's. that might make me want/buy one.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos today at Riv HQ
pretty sure i rode this one first today: https://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/364/original_oct1visus.pdf On Dec 11, 3:58 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote: did not have camera as i had no idea there would be anything to shoot. if you are half way interested now, i believe you will be in with two feet when they arrive. let me say again, it really does fit my riding style, i am intrigued by good looking sloping framesets, especially lugged ones; which are few and far between. and my socks nearly flew off at first sight of san. not trying to hype it, i swear. just my random reactions. looks like larger sizes may have double top tubes and THOSE ARE NOT MY STYLE...YET. the extra weight,the look, and the no good reason all have me do the negative on 2 tops. On Dec 11, 3:50 pm, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote: I am also intrigued by this bike. Did ya take any pictures? Rob in Seattle On Dec 11, 2010, at 2:40 PM, eflayer wrote: i was there to buy a couple of things. got to see and ride two prototypes. i thought they were both aesthetically gorgeous. i am sucker for many of grant's color choices; the oranges, the hillborne green, and wonder if the production sans will end up in the blue i saw today. i am a rider who appreciates bikes built mostly for paved smoothish roads. so the shorter wheelbase of the san wouuld be a choice for me. both protos had pretty fat tires and my around the block ride was tantalizing. i'd love to try one shod with pro race 25's. that might make me want/buy one.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?
That is complete garbage to suggest a driver be responsible for not hitting you no matter how dark or unlit up you are. Law should and does in some places require lights. Just because you get run over by a car doesn't make you a victim. The person that hits the idiot that ran the stop or didn't bother to use lights or swerves in front of them have to live with it. Accidents happen as well. There is stupidity on the bike and in the car.. and no matter what you do .. you can't fix stupid! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?
nope, wrong. yes you follow the law, but if you run into a car without its lights on from behind you're still partly liable. you have eyes, powerful headlights, and an obligation to drive at a reasonable speed for conditions such that you can brake for *anything* in the road adequately. what is more troubling is the degree of legal positivism embodied by your post, whereas i believe traffic laws should cater more readily to the capricious nature of the bicycle (as the dutch say) and the notion that streets are not gutters and arteries for the ready circulation of physical capital. never an excuse to hit a cyclist or pedestrian, period. cheers, erik On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: That is complete garbage to suggest a driver be responsible for not hitting you no matter how dark or unlit up you are. Law should and does in some places require lights. Just because you get run over by a car doesn't make you a victim. The person that hits the idiot that ran the stop or didn't bother to use lights or swerves in front of them have to live with it. Accidents happen as well. There is stupidity on the bike and in the car.. and no matter what you do .. you can't fix stupid! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?
Erik wrote: never an excuse to hit a cyclist or pedestrian, period. Hogwash! If a motorist does not have sufficient time and distance to avoid a collision, then there is a very legitimate excuse for colliding with a cyclist. I don't know where Erik rides, but in my city -- a very pro-cyclist city -- cyclists are always putting themselves in harms way, and without consideration at all for their actions. I see it on a daily basis while commuting to and from downtown on my bike. Bike messenger are the worst. Erik's notion of capricious cyclist --the they-have-to-look-out-for-me, I-don't-have-to-look-out-for-them just sounds exceedingly self-centered as well as fundamentally foolish. Of course I believe cyclists have every right to use the roadway, but they also must be reasonable and responsible when doing so. It also never hurts to be thoughtful and considerate. For the most part (in my opinion), cyclists are not. Ray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?
nope, wrong. yes you follow the law, but if you run into a car without its lights on from behind you're still partly liable. you have eyes, powerful headlights, and an obligation to drive at a reasonable speed for conditions such that you can brake for anything in the road adequately. To many variables.. what open city street with street lights.. agreed... dark state 2 lane hwy at night nope.. the guy in the car driving disabled down the hiway without lilghts should be cited with criminal neglect and endagerment of the public. Pull the vehical off the side and out of the way. never an excuse to hit a cyclist or pedestrian, period. Except when the pedestrian is jay walking - jumps off a bridge in front of you etc... and a cyclist is NOT a pedestrian.. it is another motorist. Another motorist who does not deserve more protection than any other motorist or any less. Given the right circumstances it will happen to any driver.. and if you are a cyclist .. a farm tractor .. or a skunk.. you're going to get hit. Like the pedestrian jumping off the bridge, if you are traversing a windy hilly 45mph two lane road at night with no lights.. expect to get hit... the jury will treat the accident as though you jumped off the bridge.. In the end regardless of how legal it could be, is or should be.. being right isn't all that ... from the grave. No one else should be punished for you bad decisions either. Good luck getting that 20 mph world wide speed limit that will make that no excuse plausible. Just saying.. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Larkspur Tunnel Open
If you don't ride in Marin County, CA, then pardon the region-centric post. So, today I decided to incorporate a medium distance ride and some Christmas shopping. I pulled out the Atlantis and one of my new Swift Industries panniers and set out. Although the stores I wanted to patronize are all in San Francisco, I decided I'd ride into Marin and hit the same stores up there. It also gave me an opportunity to ride through the just-opened Larkspur Cyclist/Pedestrian Tunnel that runs between San Rafael and Larkspur Landing. It's an old railway tunnel that was converted to multi-use rail-to-trail. They did a great job. Lighted, cell phone coverage, well paved and striped. The tunnel is about two city blocks long, but it saves a climb over the San Quentin Prison grade, and cuts off about a mile of distance. Not sure I'd want to ride through it late on a Friday or Saturday night, but it's sure nice for a day ride. The actual name of the tunnel is The Cal Park Hill Tunnel. Here's a link to a news story about it: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/12/07/DDF71GL328.DTL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?
motorists are always putting everyone else in harms way, diminishing quality of life, contributing to health problems and increased mortality, making everyone subsidize their actions through state and federal taxes, necessitating wars in foreign countries for oil field security, impelling oil-spill catastrophes in the seas, encouraging rampant urban-sprawl development policies, contributing heavily to localized air pollution, decreasing agricultural yields, reducing atmospheric visibility, aggravating global climate instability, creating noise pollution, and leaving behind 7 billion pounds of unrecycled scrap annually, without consideration at all for their actions. FYP :) On Dec 11, 8:46 pm, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hogwash! If a motorist does not have sufficient time and distance to avoid a collision, then there is a very legitimate excuse for colliding with a cyclist. I don't know where Erik rides, but in my city -- a very pro-cyclist city -- cyclists are always putting themselves in harms way, and without consideration at all for their actions. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?
On Sat, 2010-12-11 at 18:55 -0800, newenglandbike wrote: motorists are always putting everyone else in harms way, diminishing quality of life, contributing to health problems and increased mortality, making everyone subsidize their actions through state and federal taxes, necessitating wars in foreign countries for oil field security, impelling oil-spill catastrophes in the seas, encouraging rampant urban-sprawl development policies, contributing heavily to localized air pollution, decreasing agricultural yields, reducing atmospheric visibility, aggravating global climate instability, creating noise pollution, and leaving behind 7 billion pounds of unrecycled scrap annually, without consideration at all for their actions. Enough already. This list is not supposed to be about car-hating. There are other places for those sentiments. Take it over there, please. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?
my point was intended to question the notions floating in this thread about right/wrong, intentional/accidental that seem grounded in a sort of strange sort of positivism grown from tired traffic laws based in patently false traffic engineering theory. i don't own a car, and i think most don't need to, but i am not car-bagging with that comment. it's easy enough to demonstrably show the ethics behind mode choice, and easy enough to ignore or justify action beyond the demands of science. at the end of the day, i think: go drive a bike for awhile, it'll help. erik On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sat, 2010-12-11 at 18:55 -0800, newenglandbike wrote: motorists are always putting everyone else in harms way, diminishing quality of life, contributing to health problems and increased mortality, making everyone subsidize their actions through state and federal taxes, necessitating wars in foreign countries for oil field security, impelling oil-spill catastrophes in the seas, encouraging rampant urban-sprawl development policies, contributing heavily to localized air pollution, decreasing agricultural yields, reducing atmospheric visibility, aggravating global climate instability, creating noise pollution, and leaving behind 7 billion pounds of unrecycled scrap annually, without consideration at all for their actions. Enough already. This list is not supposed to be about car-hating. There are other places for those sentiments. Take it over there, please. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Larkspur Tunnel Open
i nearly got hit right there a few weeks ago, it's great! On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: If you don't ride in Marin County, CA, then pardon the region-centric post. So, today I decided to incorporate a medium distance ride and some Christmas shopping. I pulled out the Atlantis and one of my new Swift Industries panniers and set out. Although the stores I wanted to patronize are all in San Francisco, I decided I'd ride into Marin and hit the same stores up there. It also gave me an opportunity to ride through the just-opened Larkspur Cyclist/Pedestrian Tunnel that runs between San Rafael and Larkspur Landing. It's an old railway tunnel that was converted to multi-use rail-to-trail. They did a great job. Lighted, cell phone coverage, well paved and striped. The tunnel is about two city blocks long, but it saves a climb over the San Quentin Prison grade, and cuts off about a mile of distance. Not sure I'd want to ride through it late on a Friday or Saturday night, but it's sure nice for a day ride. The actual name of the tunnel is The Cal Park Hill Tunnel. Here's a link to a news story about it: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/12/07/DDF71GL328.DTL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Larkspur Tunnel Open
Amazing. I used to commute by bike from SF to San Rafael, so I've done the San Quentin detour hundreds of times, wishing for that tunnel to be open. It's a great day. I hope they open the old railroad tunned between Mill Valley and Corte Madera one day, too. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Dec 11, 6:55 pm, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: If you don't ride in Marin County, CA, then pardon the region-centric post. So, today I decided to incorporate a medium distance ride and some Christmas shopping. I pulled out the Atlantis and one of my new Swift Industries panniers and set out. Although the stores I wanted to patronize are all in San Francisco, I decided I'd ride into Marin and hit the same stores up there. It also gave me an opportunity to ride through the just-opened Larkspur Cyclist/Pedestrian Tunnel that runs between San Rafael and Larkspur Landing. It's an old railway tunnel that was converted to multi-use rail-to-trail. They did a great job. Lighted, cell phone coverage, well paved and striped. The tunnel is about two city blocks long, but it saves a climb over the San Quentin Prison grade, and cuts off about a mile of distance. Not sure I'd want to ride through it late on a Friday or Saturday night, but it's sure nice for a day ride. The actual name of the tunnel is The Cal Park Hill Tunnel. Here's a link to a news story about it: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/12/07/DDF71GL32... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Shimmy, according to BQ NRC
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 04:59, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Knee to top tube is a highly effective and well known (in my experience) way to stop /speed wobble/ -- as distinguished from shimmy. And speed wobble happens with hands on the bars, in fact can be caused by those hands on the bar (death grip or shivering). In discussions about shimmy (of which there have been many over the years on this and other lists) I have often described a distinction between what I call speed wobble and what I call shimmy. Knee to top tube is effective on shimmy (meaning the oscillation one encounters riding no hands at normal cruising speeds of 15-20 mph), but it's hard to put a knee to top tube while pedaling, so this is of limited application (especially on a fixed gear bike). James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Cold Weather Eye Protection
Feet - Check - Wood Socks.. Boots whatever for temp Legs- Check - Wool underwear.. Musa - or jeans good to 25 degrees - Snow pants over wool and musa - down to 8 degrees Body - Check - Any number of base layers, a shirt, sweater, many different coats ../ turtle necks etc good to negative temps head- Check- Balaclava or two with beenie as needed .. can make my head sweat down to very low temps. Eyes-- anything under 30 degrees I get headaches from the winds and my glasses getting to cold for my nose... off is worse. Anyway.. looking for snow skiing goggles with clear lens for night riding or changable.. found several (no clear lenses yet) just haven't pulled the trigger .. all under 50 bucks and look like they would make riding more fun. No fogging up when I cover my nose with the balaclava - good vision (think glasses will still be wearable inside them) trying to think of what negative I'm missing... Could it really just be a good idea? hmmm off to the store tomorrow. later Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli
Eric, I read your post while I was running out the door this morning. Just a touch different over here, low 70's, breezy, sunny. No IPA though. For the record, we started off with 10 riders in Santa Monica. Lost one going up Westridge. Damn that's a climb and a half! Pretty close to losing another due to leg cramps. A flat tire expertly repaired. One wipe out on a downhill sweeper. Three folks had to leave early and took Topanga Cyn. down the hill (we could see you from the ridge!) Hopefully good times had by all. Especially as we had a few folks from San Diego in the south, Ventura in the north, and Redlands out to the east. As always, real good people that made the day really enjoyable. And yes, we had the requisite bearded guy on an Atlantis, even though Doug couldn't make it! My legs were particularly dead and I struggled a bit. Will probably have sore forearms and maybe neck tomorrow, maybe ITB as well. And yes, dinner at Bay Cities, although my ride and I had to split a bit early. And as always, the proof is in the pictures: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157625454132801/ On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:57 AM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Okay, am now officially jealous. Thursday - 20 hour power outage. Bikes locked in garage. Today (Saturday) about 4 or 5 inches of snow with a lot more coming. Mebbe a foot or more. And windy. If I'm foolhardy, will try to ride one mile to a store and back. Just to get out. Otherwise it's the Hillborne on the trainer (gack!) At least will get some guitar practice in and hopefully catch up on reading. Plus, my order of Ballast Point Big Eye IPA showed up. So am prepared and willing to weather out any storm. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 10, 9:40 pm, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:16, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Looking for a last minute stocking stuffer idea: Hop on your bike and go for a ride with us Saturday morning! Best mixed terrain ride in SoCal! Meeting in Santa Monica @ Peets on Montana 14th. Ride is planned to be underway @ 10:00, so get their early enough to hang out and prepare yourself for the ride by (ogle bike drink espresso!). http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_apprec. .. Good Evening RBWers and iBOBers, I am planning to join tomorrow's Santa Monica Mountains ride. I'm hoping for good weather. There were some unwholesome, warm gusty winds while I was coming home from work, but tomorrow's forecast sounds pretty good - highs in the mid-70s with north winds at 1 mph. I'll be taking the white Nishiki with the 37mm Paselas. James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Cold Weather Eye Protection
do it, it works wonders. fogs up if you're offroad, getting steamy, and not moving; other than that i had no problem. erik On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Feet - Check - Wood Socks.. Boots whatever for temp Legs- Check - Wool underwear.. Musa - or jeans good to 25 degrees - Snow pants over wool and musa - down to 8 degrees Body - Check - Any number of base layers, a shirt, sweater, many different coats ../ turtle necks etc good to negative temps head- Check- Balaclava or two with beenie as needed .. can make my head sweat down to very low temps. Eyes-- anything under 30 degrees I get headaches from the winds and my glasses getting to cold for my nose... off is worse. Anyway.. looking for snow skiing goggles with clear lens for night riding or changable.. found several (no clear lenses yet) just haven't pulled the trigger .. all under 50 bucks and look like they would make riding more fun. No fogging up when I cover my nose with the balaclava - good vision (think glasses will still be wearable inside them) trying to think of what negative I'm missing... Could it really just be a good idea? hmmm off to the store tomorrow. later Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli
Eric - ENJOY the Big Eye. That's brewed about 300 ft. from where I now sit. Its a nice treat. It was a very fun day. Fantastic weather, and Aaron, James, and I (who needed to get back from the mountains) really bombed down Topanga Canyon. I knew you guys could see us from the ridge! Photo documentation: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/ Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Dec 11, 9:57 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Eric, I read your post while I was running out the door this morning. Just a touch different over here, low 70's, breezy, sunny. No IPA though. For the record, we started off with 10 riders in Santa Monica. Lost one going up Westridge. Damn that's a climb and a half! Pretty close to losing another due to leg cramps. A flat tire expertly repaired. One wipe out on a downhill sweeper. Three folks had to leave early and took Topanga Cyn. down the hill (we could see you from the ridge!) Hopefully good times had by all. Especially as we had a few folks from San Diego in the south, Ventura in the north, and Redlands out to the east. As always, real good people that made the day really enjoyable. And yes, we had the requisite bearded guy on an Atlantis, even though Doug couldn't make it! My legs were particularly dead and I struggled a bit. Will probably have sore forearms and maybe neck tomorrow, maybe ITB as well. And yes, dinner at Bay Cities, although my ride and I had to split a bit early. And as always, the proof is in the pictures:http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157625454132801/ On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:57 AM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Okay, am now officially jealous. Thursday - 20 hour power outage. Bikes locked in garage. Today (Saturday) about 4 or 5 inches of snow with a lot more coming. Mebbe a foot or more. And windy. If I'm foolhardy, will try to ride one mile to a store and back. Just to get out. Otherwise it's the Hillborne on the trainer (gack!) At least will get some guitar practice in and hopefully catch up on reading. Plus, my order of Ballast Point Big Eye IPA showed up. So am prepared and willing to weather out any storm. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 10, 9:40 pm, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:16, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Looking for a last minute stocking stuffer idea: Hop on your bike and go for a ride with us Saturday morning! Best mixed terrain ride in SoCal! Meeting in Santa Monica @ Peets on Montana 14th. Ride is planned to be underway @ 10:00, so get their early enough to hang out and prepare yourself for the ride by (ogle bike drink espresso!). http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_apprec. .. Good Evening RBWers and iBOBers, I am planning to join tomorrow's Santa Monica Mountains ride. I'm hoping for good weather. There were some unwholesome, warm gusty winds while I was coming home from work, but tomorrow's forecast sounds pretty good - highs in the mid-70s with north winds at 1 mph. I'll be taking the white Nishiki with the 37mm Paselas. James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli
Here's a better link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/sets/72157625454695265/ esteban On Dec 11, 11:14 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Eric - ENJOY the Big Eye. That's brewed about 300 ft. from where I now sit. Its a nice treat. It was a very fun day. Fantastic weather, and Aaron, James, and I (who needed to get back from the mountains) really bombed down Topanga Canyon. I knew you guys could see us from the ridge! Photo documentation:http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/ Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Dec 11, 9:57 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Eric, I read your post while I was running out the door this morning. Just a touch different over here, low 70's, breezy, sunny. No IPA though. For the record, we started off with 10 riders in Santa Monica. Lost one going up Westridge. Damn that's a climb and a half! Pretty close to losing another due to leg cramps. A flat tire expertly repaired. One wipe out on a downhill sweeper. Three folks had to leave early and took Topanga Cyn. down the hill (we could see you from the ridge!) Hopefully good times had by all. Especially as we had a few folks from San Diego in the south, Ventura in the north, and Redlands out to the east. As always, real good people that made the day really enjoyable. And yes, we had the requisite bearded guy on an Atlantis, even though Doug couldn't make it! My legs were particularly dead and I struggled a bit. Will probably have sore forearms and maybe neck tomorrow, maybe ITB as well. And yes, dinner at Bay Cities, although my ride and I had to split a bit early. And as always, the proof is in the pictures:http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157625454132801/ On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:57 AM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Okay, am now officially jealous. Thursday - 20 hour power outage. Bikes locked in garage. Today (Saturday) about 4 or 5 inches of snow with a lot more coming. Mebbe a foot or more. And windy. If I'm foolhardy, will try to ride one mile to a store and back. Just to get out. Otherwise it's the Hillborne on the trainer (gack!) At least will get some guitar practice in and hopefully catch up on reading. Plus, my order of Ballast Point Big Eye IPA showed up. So am prepared and willing to weather out any storm. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 10, 9:40 pm, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:16, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Looking for a last minute stocking stuffer idea: Hop on your bike and go for a ride with us Saturday morning! Best mixed terrain ride in SoCal! Meeting in Santa Monica @ Peets on Montana 14th. Ride is planned to be underway @ 10:00, so get their early enough to hang out and prepare yourself for the ride by (ogle bike drink espresso!). http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_apprec. .. Good Evening RBWers and iBOBers, I am planning to join tomorrow's Santa Monica Mountains ride. I'm hoping for good weather. There were some unwholesome, warm gusty winds while I was coming home from work, but tomorrow's forecast sounds pretty good - highs in the mid-70s with north winds at 1 mph. I'll be taking the white Nishiki with the 37mm Paselas. James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Cold Weather Eye Protection
Hi Kelly, There is no perfect solution here but the goggles are your best bet. Not sure where you live, but if you buy them at REI (including web store, rei.com) you can always return them if they don't work to your satisfaction, even after a good, lengthy test period. It is hard to find snow goggles without a tint. Disclaimer: I am former REI employee. later -jb On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Feet - Check - Wood Socks.. Boots whatever for temp Legs- Check - Wool underwear.. Musa - or jeans good to 25 degrees - Snow pants over wool and musa - down to 8 degrees Body - Check - Any number of base layers, a shirt, sweater, many different coats ../ turtle necks etc good to negative temps head- Check- Balaclava or two with beenie as needed .. can make my head sweat down to very low temps. Eyes-- anything under 30 degrees I get headaches from the winds and my glasses getting to cold for my nose... off is worse. Anyway.. looking for snow skiing goggles with clear lens for night riding or changable.. found several (no clear lenses yet) just haven't pulled the trigger .. all under 50 bucks and look like they would make riding more fun. No fogging up when I cover my nose with the balaclava - good vision (think glasses will still be wearable inside them) trying to think of what negative I'm missing... Could it really just be a good idea? hmmm off to the store tomorrow. later Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- John Blish Minneapolis MN USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Dec. SoCal Rivendell Ride - Dirt Mulholland/Bay Cities Deli
Totally picked you out. Aaron in front, you about four cars back, then John a car behind you. Pretty cool to see you flying down the hill! On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Eric - ENJOY the Big Eye. That's brewed about 300 ft. from where I now sit. Its a nice treat. It was a very fun day. Fantastic weather, and Aaron, James, and I (who needed to get back from the mountains) really bombed down Topanga Canyon. I knew you guys could see us from the ridge! Photo documentation: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/ Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Dec 11, 9:57 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Eric, I read your post while I was running out the door this morning. Just a touch different over here, low 70's, breezy, sunny. No IPA though. For the record, we started off with 10 riders in Santa Monica. Lost one going up Westridge. Damn that's a climb and a half! Pretty close to losing another due to leg cramps. A flat tire expertly repaired. One wipe out on a downhill sweeper. Three folks had to leave early and took Topanga Cyn. down the hill (we could see you from the ridge!) Hopefully good times had by all. Especially as we had a few folks from San Diego in the south, Ventura in the north, and Redlands out to the east. As always, real good people that made the day really enjoyable. And yes, we had the requisite bearded guy on an Atlantis, even though Doug couldn't make it! My legs were particularly dead and I struggled a bit. Will probably have sore forearms and maybe neck tomorrow, maybe ITB as well. And yes, dinner at Bay Cities, although my ride and I had to split a bit early. And as always, the proof is in the pictures: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157625454132801/ On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:57 AM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Okay, am now officially jealous. Thursday - 20 hour power outage. Bikes locked in garage. Today (Saturday) about 4 or 5 inches of snow with a lot more coming. Mebbe a foot or more. And windy. If I'm foolhardy, will try to ride one mile to a store and back. Just to get out. Otherwise it's the Hillborne on the trainer (gack!) At least will get some guitar practice in and hopefully catch up on reading. Plus, my order of Ballast Point Big Eye IPA showed up. So am prepared and willing to weather out any storm. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Dec 10, 9:40 pm, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:16, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Looking for a last minute stocking stuffer idea: Hop on your bike and go for a ride with us Saturday morning! Best mixed terrain ride in SoCal! Meeting in Santa Monica @ Peets on Montana 14th. Ride is planned to be underway @ 10:00, so get their early enough to hang out and prepare yourself for the ride by (ogle bike drink espresso!). http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_apprec. .. Good Evening RBWers and iBOBers, I am planning to join tomorrow's Santa Monica Mountains ride. I'm hoping for good weather. There were some unwholesome, warm gusty winds while I was coming home from work, but tomorrow's forecast sounds pretty good - highs in the mid-70s with north winds at 1 mph. I'll be taking the white Nishiki with the 37mm Paselas. James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to
