[RBW] Re: Thoughts and experiences with 48cm Noodles?

[iamkeith]

I'm a little over 6'1", and probably average shoulder width.  I had a
pair of 48cm noodles on an old b-stone XO-1, and then bought a 60cm
Rambouillet with a 46cm noodle on it.  Being used to the 48cm, I
couldn't stand the 46cm.  So I put moustaches on the XO-1,put  the 48s
on the Rambouillet, and put the 46s on my 5'-4" wife's Ramboulillet..
and they are comfortable for her.  I personally just don't think
there's a reason to go narrow other than style.  (Not that 46cm is
exactly narrow, but 48cm just feels more stable.)  This is probably
nonsense, but I also feel like I can breathe deeper - like my chest
can expand better.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Saluki 54cm

[Eric]

Wow, what a great color!

On Feb 22, 8:20 pm, James Warren  wrote:
> Beautiful bike!
>
> On Feb 22, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Dave Minyard wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> > I am looking to sell my Saluki, I got it from RBW in March of 2008 and it 
> > has approx. 4K miles on it. I have taken good care of it, it does have a 
> > few nicks and scratches, but no dents. The most noticeable ones are a small 
> > one on the head tube and one on the seat tube from having it on a car rack 
> > (there are photos of these in the link). All of the scratches etc. have 
> > been covered up with clear coat polish.
>
> > Here are the specifics:
>
> > 54cm Saluki
> > Ruby red w/cream accents
> > This is one of the later Toyo frames with all the braze-ons, kickstand 
> > plate, etc.
> > Wheels by Rich @ RBW
> > Front- SON dynamo hub, synergy rims, 32h
> > Rear- Riv Phil Wood freewheel hub, 32 h
> > Shimanopore fw 14-28
> > Schwalbe Marathon  tires
> > Phil Wood bottom bracket
> > Sugino XD 600 crank 24-36-46
> > Shimano LX rapid rise rear derailer
> > Campagnolo Centaur front derailer
> > Paul thumbies
> > Dia-compe 750 center pull brakes
> > Nitto Noodle 44cm
> > Nitto Dirtdrop stem 100mm
> > Nitto Crystal Fellow Seatpost
> > Marks rack
> > Lumotec IQ fly headlight
> > SKS fenders
> > Grip King pedals
> > Ultregra headset
>
> > Here is a link to current pictures taken 02/22/11
> > Rivendell Saluki
>
> > $2600 plus packing/shipping
>
> > Please e-mail off list if interested.
>
> > Thanks,
> > Dave
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[RBW] Re: New Sam Color

[Bill]

If the head tube was painted a creme white to match the fenders, and
the seat tube decal was the same creme, it would be an outta-the-
ballpark home run.  It's still mighty pretty as-is.  The nice thing
about neutral earthy colors is that ten or fifteen years down the road
they stand the test of time.

Bill

On Feb 22, 2:11 pm, William  wrote:
> I like the grilver a lot.  Bidding is underway.  Somebody is going to
> get a great deal.
>
> On Feb 22, 9:17 am, Mike  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I really like the new color and the look of the fenders. I saw those
> > fenders when I was at RBWHQ last Sept and thought they were great. The
> > appeared thicker than the standard SKS and the cream color looked to
> > be the actual color of the fender, not paint. Nice that they're
> > longer.
>
> > The whole bike looks great.
>
> > --mike

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts and experiences with 48cm Noodles?

[Mike]

I ride a 63cm Hilsen which fits great and a 64cm QB which is a tad
big. I've ridden a friend's 62cm LHT (700c version) but it just didn't
feel right. It felt a bit big. I've ridden a 60cm LHT briefly and it
felt fine. There's more post showing than on a Riv but the HT on the
LHT is tall and the TT has a 2 degree slope so I think I'll be able to
get the bars where I want them.

I had moustache bars on my Rambouillet briefly and while I liked them
for climbing they felt horrible for descending. Very sketchy and just
not right.

I saw the Nitto DD bars at American Cyclery when I was in SF. They
were on a Soma Saga. Although I rode the Saga only briefly I'd
probably stick with Noodles.

--mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?

[cyclotourist]

I presume due to the movement, the moisture penetrates and lifts the wax
right off.  Starts squeaking almost instantly, and visually is gone.  If
you're just talking about the exterior of guns in storage, there aren't
moving parts, so that might be the difference.

For me, the wax is incredibly CLEAN!  I don't think it does as good a job as
Boeshield or similar, but I'll never have a chainring tattoo on my calve!
Can't stand that black nastiness, but that's a personal problem!   :-)

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:58 AM, jim phillips wrote:

>  Why would moisture haver an effect on wax. I wax guns and knives to keep
> them from rusting due to the high humidity here...
>
> JimP
>
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> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?
> From: cyclotour...@gmail.com
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
>
> I use a "Fry Baby" deep fryer.  I don't know what temp it heats to.  FYI,
> the wax is useless with the slightest bit of moisture.  Not a problem for me
> in the summer as it performs wonderfully in dry and dusty conditions.
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
> Check out EcoVelo - Alan has several posts on the how-to's and why-
> to's of waxing.
>
> -Pete
>
> On Feb 22, 4:45 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
>  > Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a
> > riv reader for that matter.
> >
> > The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus
> > 212 Fahrenheit max.
> >
> > Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the
> > flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability
> > reasons, one assumes).
> >
> > So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better
> > penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the
> > necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic?
> >
> > Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally
> > try wax after 20 years of cycling.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Gernot
>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Saluki 54cm

[James Warren]

Beautiful bike!


On Feb 22, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Dave Minyard wrote:

> Hi all,
> I am looking to sell my Saluki, I got it from RBW in March of 2008 and it has 
> approx. 4K miles on it. I have taken good care of it, it does have a few 
> nicks and scratches, but no dents. The most noticeable ones are a small one 
> on the head tube and one on the seat tube from having it on a car rack (there 
> are photos of these in the link). All of the scratches etc. have been covered 
> up with clear coat polish. 
> 
> Here are the specifics:
> 
> 54cm Saluki 
> Ruby red w/cream accents
> This is one of the later Toyo frames with all the braze-ons, kickstand plate, 
> etc.
> Wheels by Rich @ RBW
> Front- SON dynamo hub, synergy rims, 32h
> Rear- Riv Phil Wood freewheel hub, 32 h
> Shimanopore fw 14-28
> Schwalbe Marathon  tires
> Phil Wood bottom bracket
> Sugino XD 600 crank 24-36-46
> Shimano LX rapid rise rear derailer
> Campagnolo Centaur front derailer
> Paul thumbies
> Dia-compe 750 center pull brakes
> Nitto Noodle 44cm
> Nitto Dirtdrop stem 100mm
> Nitto Crystal Fellow Seatpost
> Marks rack 
> Lumotec IQ fly headlight
> SKS fenders
> Grip King pedals
> Ultregra headset
> 
> Here is a link to current pictures taken 02/22/11
> Rivendell Saluki
> 
> $2600 plus packing/shipping
> 
> Please e-mail off list if interested.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dave
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[RBW] Re: More Winter Project updates

[Bill M.]

My big winter project was converting my '95 Riv Road from fixed gear
duty back to derailleur gearing, and swapping the fixed gear kit onto
a Steve Rex road frame that's been sitting around unridden since I
bought the Riv.

The Riv got a SRAM Apex group, minus the cranks.  That's right, 10
speed brifters on an old Riv.  Kind of the opposite of what the OP
did!  I'm not that fond of the black components, but they tend to
disappear to some extent so I can live with them.  The brakes are
excellent, and the shifting is also very, very good.  At least as good
as the Ergo on my go-fast, and I'm sure many would prefer it.

The cranks are a bit unusual.  I found a Campy Record Triple on a
closeout table at Performance for $50 and had to bring them home.  I
stripped off the 42 and 52, kept the 30 t granny, and installed a
Stronglight 46 tooth ring in the middle position.  No outer ring, so
short chainring bolts were needed.  That gives me an ultra-compact
46-30 crank with beautifully finished, cold-forged arms.  Q-factor
fetishists will think it too wide, but that works fine with my splayed-
out feet.  The Campy BB was expensive, but the total investment wasn't
bad.

Combine the 46-30 crank with the SRAM 11-32 cassette and I've got a
huge gear range (25 - 113 gear inches), and an easy shift pattern.
The 46 handles everything but a significant hill, then I drop to the
30.  It'll run cross-chained in pretty much every gear.  I tried to
avoid running too long in either extreme combination, but other than
that they're all good.

The wheels are the 32 spoke Velocity Aeroheads I rode on the Riv for
years, with 32 mm Pasela Tour Guards that I had in the shed.  The
Paselas measure just over 30 mm, which is comfortable on the bike.
Actual 32's might be a bit too tight.  The TG's always feel a bit dead
to me, so I may may swap in something sprightlier in a similar width
some day if I can figure out what that might be (30 mm Marathon
Racers? Grand Bois 29's?).  It was designed for 28's and fenders,
which is also an option.  For the rest, there's B17 on a Campy post, a
Nitto Technomic Deluxe and Noodle, an original Riv/Duluth Pack Banana
bag, and (for now) VO touring pedals with plastic clips and leather
straps.

The maiden voyage in this configuration was this Saturday, an out-and-
back from Ione to Volcano, CA.  21 miles and 2700 ft of gain outbound,
plus some climbing on the return so something over 3000' over the 42
miles.  There was snow on the ground in Volcano but the road wasn't
icy and I only had one light sprinkle of rain on the way back.  Too
bad I was the only cyclist on the road that day, it was a really
pretty ride.  The bike felt good going up hill or down, as it always
has.

Photos here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15750548@N04/5470013328/in/set-72157626114728148/

Bill

On Feb 21, 12:16 pm, William  wrote:
> A big part of my winter projects involved liquidating a bunch of my
> high-value and comparatively low utility bike parts.  Highlights
> included selling some Ultegra Brifters and Flight deck computer form
> my tandem, which allowed me to convert it to indexed barcons and
> proper V-Brake levers.
>
> Another big conversion was converting my go-fast Davidson Signature to
> more of a rando bike.  I used my rebate to get a Mark's Rack, and
> parted out a full Chorus 10 speed kit.  Now the Davidson has friction
> barcons, a compact double, and a handlebar bag with decaleur.  A
> failed part of this conversion was I tried to get a 46-29 compact
> double on there, but couldn't manage to work around the braze on ft
> derailleur tab.  I tried modifying a clamp type braze on, but it
> didn't work out.  I might revisit that, but if I ever get a repaint
> that braze on is history.  As it sits, it's a 50/34 in front with a
> 12-26 9 speed in back.  That's good for a lot of things for a go-
> fast.
>
> FWIW, all-metal Campy seems to be doing REALLY well on the second-hand
> market.  I parlayed about $1500 in ebay sales, and if anything made my
> bike more functional.
>
> The bike also exhibits another hideous color-combination, for which I
> might be developing a reputation.  I have a close relative fighting
> breast cancer, so I wanted to get the pink out one way or another.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5466031572/in/set-721576259...

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[RBW] FS: Saluki 54cm

[Dave Minyard]

Hi all,
I am looking to sell my Saluki, I got it from RBW in March of 2008 and it
has approx. 4K miles on it. I have taken good care of it, it does have a few
nicks and scratches, but no dents. The most noticeable ones are a small one
on the head tube and one on the seat tube from having it on a car rack
(there are photos of these in the link). All of the scratches etc. have been
covered up with clear coat polish.

Here are the specifics:

54cm Saluki
Ruby red w/cream accents
This is one of the later Toyo frames with all the braze-ons, kickstand
plate, etc.
Wheels by Rich @ RBW
Front- SON dynamo hub, synergy rims, 32h
Rear- Riv Phil Wood freewheel hub, 32 h
Shimanopore fw 14-28
Schwalbe Marathon  tires
Phil Wood bottom bracket
Sugino XD 600 crank 24-36-46
Shimano LX rapid rise rear derailer
Campagnolo Centaur front derailer
Paul thumbies
Dia-compe 750 center pull brakes
Nitto Noodle 44cm
Nitto Dirtdrop stem 100mm
Nitto Crystal Fellow Seatpost
Marks rack
Lumotec IQ fly headlight
SKS fenders
Grip King pedals
Ultregra headset

Here is a link to current pictures taken 02/22/11
Rivendell 
Saluki

$2600 plus packing/shipping

Please e-mail off list if interested.

Thanks,
Dave

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RE: [RBW] Sam for a Sam

[jim phillips]

Hi Adam,

  I have a 56 which is a bit big for me. I love it when I get on but, the truth 
is a smaller size wouold be a better fit.

My bike, however is virtually brand new. I got it for Christmas. There is a 
single 2mm paint chip on the top tube, otherwise is pristine. Orange.

What color is yours? Pics of condition? My e-mail address is: 
thefamil...@hotmail.com

 

best,

 

Jim


 

> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:36:59 -0800
> Subject: [RBW] Sam for a Sam
> From: oceanm...@gmail.com
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> 
> Greetings All,
> 
> A quick note to see if there is any curiosity in a potential bike
> trade. I have a 52cm Hillborne with plenty of beausage though
> mechanically perfect that I've had for close to 2 years. I recently
> hopped on a larger frame and realized I may be more comfortable on a
> 56cm. I am perfectly content to ride my 52cm for the next decade but
> thought I might see if there is anyone out there with a 56 that feels
> too big. Located in Berkeley for logistic's sake.
> 
> Cheers,
> Adam
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[RBW] Re: More Winter Project updates

[EricP]

My Sam Hillborne project was the easiest to finish.  Changed to V
brakes.  Along with new brake levers and cable housing.  Both shifter
and brakes.  Along the way also swapped the stem to a Nitto Dirtdrop
short reach and handlebars to Nitto 115.

Other projects were putting Soma Oxford bars and different stem on my
Surly LHT.  Along with different brake cable housing.

Last project is getting a new front wheel for my Salsa Fargo.  Stock
rim, but new spokes and Shimano Alfine dynohub.  Purchased a used
Lumotec IQ Fly from a friend.  Had to get a wheel built to go with it.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Feb 22, 10:35 am, Montclair BobbyB 
wrote:
> Several winter projects (too many, in fact)...
>
> The two that have me most jazzed are:
>
> Renaissancing his and hers 70s Gazelle Sport Luxe single speed/coaster
> brake bikes into 8-speed/drum brake commuters with dyno front hub (all
> Sturmey-Archer).  These Gazelles are gorgeous... I'll only finish the
> ladies one by Spring...
>
> Adding a 2-speed kickback freehub to my '86 Nishiki Prestige,
> currently set up as a SS/fixie.  Waiting on spokes to lace up the
> wheel.  Also recently laced up an old Specialized freehub, and have
> plans to add back the original downtube shifters and Cyclone Mk II
> derailleurs, giving this bike multiple personalities that I can
> reconfigure... (SS/fixie, 2/4-speed to 12 speed).
>
> On Feb 22, 10:34 am, Bruce  wrote:
>
>
>
> > try bar ends on the 'stache bar. I have them on a similarly set up Japanese 
> > crit
> > racer from 1979-ish and they work really well.
>
> > 
> > From: Minh 
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> > Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 7:59:53 AM
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: More Winter Project updates
>
> >   turn bridgestone into a light, no rack, no bags,
> > moustache-bar bike.  It feels really quick now, very snappy, surprised
> > at how great it rides, only possible tweak is the downtube shifters.
> > i've never used dt shifters, and i'm still awkward getting to them.- Hide 
> > quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts and experiences with 48cm Noodles?

[amoll68]

I ride 48 noodles on my AHH, and like them a lot. I'm a bigger dude at
6'3", but a sorta medium build. I've got a 9cm stem, just a bit below
the saddle. It all seems to work quite well with the geometry of the
AHH. Plus, I LOVE the wide bars for climbing, out of the saddle.

I have narrower bars on other bikes, and they are fine, too. I prefer
wider bars, and the Noodles are great.

Alex Moll
Marysville, WA

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[RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Yes, Robert, an oil-filled air compressor... but you could just as
soon use motor oil... the technical difference is minor.

On Feb 22, 12:32 pm, Robert Zeidler  wrote:
> What type of compressor? Air?
>
> Best Regards,
> R Zeidler
>
> On Feb 22, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Montclair BobbyB  
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I hot-waxed my chain for several years, enduring ridicule from the
> > wife (and friends who caught me doin the double-boiler thing)... I got
> > the idea from a dude in Pueblo, CO (in 1985)... This guy did a lot of
> > "creek-riding"... where he would literally be riding his bike up and
> > down a local creek (in the absence of trails)... Somehow I was
> > convinced this was the only way to go.
>
> > Years later, after realizing I wasn't riding many creeks in the East
> > and concluding that hot-waxing was indeed a royal PITA, I seemed to re-
> > discover petrol-based lubes, the Park chain cleaner and the orange
> > chain solvent.  In fact I've settled on a very basic, inexpensive an
> > reliable lube (compressor-oil, if you can believe it)... This for me
> > has consistently outperformed every other lube I've ever tried, but
> > admittedly I'm unscientific... It just feels better.
>
> > Regardless I love this topic... it always ignites interesting debate,
> > and I'm waiting for that simple, killer lube to one day emerge...
> > either that, or the belt-drive thing may be a game-changer...
>
> > Bobby "I only wax poetic" Birmingham
>
> > On Feb 22, 10:58 am, jim phillips  wrote:
> >> Why would moisture haver an effect on wax. I wax guns and knives to keep 
> >> them from rusting due to the high humidity here...
>
> >> JimP
>
> >> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 07:22:02 -0800
> >> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?
> >> From: cyclotour...@gmail.com
> >> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> >> I use a "Fry Baby" deep fryer.  I don't know what temp it heats to.  FYI, 
> >> the wax is useless with the slightest bit of moisture.  Not a problem for 
> >> me in the summer as it performs wonderfully in dry and dusty conditions.
>
> >> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
> >> Check out EcoVelo - Alan has several posts on the how-to's and why-
> >> to's of waxing.
>
> >> -Pete
>
> >> On Feb 22, 4:45 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
> >>> Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a
> >>> riv reader for that matter.
>
> >>> The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus
> >>> 212 Fahrenheit max.
>
> >>> Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the
> >>> flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability
> >>> reasons, one assumes).
>
> >>> So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better
> >>> penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the
> >>> necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic?
>
> >>> Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally
> >>> try wax after 20 years of cycling.
>
> >>> Cheers,
>
> >>> Gernot
>
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[RBW] Re: WAS: Bombacampatourarangadil NOW: Expressing Opinions

[William]

"How do you like the Sram~Noodle Combo?"

It's a very small sample size yet, but so far so good.  I think the
SRAMs might be the ideal levers for a cantilever brake bike.  The
glaring shortcoming of the SRAM levers is that it doesn't have a QR
button in the lever, which for me means that they are not good for a
bike with wide tires and caliper brakes because you wont be able to
get your wheels out without deflating your tires.  The tektro levers
have a QR, which to me is critical for any caliper brake bike.  The
tektros are also good because they are a nice copy of the Campagnolo
lever shape.  I'll admit that I think the Shimano shape is terrible.
I don't understand why Riv or anybody else likes them, but there you
are.  I feel my hands are crunched into this little U-shaped space.
It's OK for an hour or two, but for all day riding, I'd be very
uncomfortable.  If you love Shimano, then my review of SRAM might not
be worth much to you.  I vastly prefer the flat platform with Campy
and tektro on the tops of the noodles.  It's like a shelf for my hands
to just lay there, relaxed.  The SRAMs match that shelf area very
nicely, so I expect I will like them very much.  The little outboard
flare of the brakelever is cute, and certainly won't hurt I don't
think.

On Feb 22, 1:18 pm, Kevin M  wrote:
> How do you like the Sram~Noodle Combo?

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts and experiences with 48cm Noodles?

[Michael_S]

Just to get yur' thinkin'... the Nitto Dirt Drop bars are starting to
show up in places.   Not as spread out as the Midge/Chipper lot.

http://store.somafab.com/nirm01didrha.html

Might look kinda nice on the Hunqa or a Bomba... or even a sparkly
Gray Sam.

~Mike
SoCal

On Feb 22, 12:48 pm, Leslie  wrote:
> I'm also 6' and not narrow-shouldered, and am running 48cm Noodles on
> my Rambouillet (a 60cm frame).  I really wouldn't want something
> narrower on there.
>
> I'm currently plotting a Bomba, tryin' to decide what to do... would
> be tempted to go w/ bigger Noodles if they had any bigger than 48's,
> or, maybe some drops that splay out...  but I may go w/ a
> Bullmoose still decipherin'
>
> -L
>
> On Feb 22, 1:06 pm, Mike  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm planning on putting together a touring/camping bike this year and
> > kicking around the idea of using 48cm Noodle handlebars. I've been
> > using the 46s for years now and love them but when touring on them
> > there have been times when I found myself wishing they were a tad
> > wider, especially when climbing. I'm 6' and broad shouldered. I have a
> > feeling the perceived drawbacks to using them are more mental and
> > cosmetic. What are folks experiences with using them?
>
> > Last year I sold my Rambouillet frame with the intention of using the
> > funds for a Hunqapillar or maybe a Hillborne. I've taken my time in
> > trying to make a decision and am starting to lean more towards an LHT.
> > Yes, a far lesser bike but very capable and something I'm more
> > inclined to feel comfortable locking up around town. I'd probably get
> > a 60cm frame with the 26" wheels so with 48cm bars it would certainly
> > be an odd looking bike but probably very practical. Who knows though,
> > those new pictures of the SH really have the wheels in my head
> > spinning. And I do like to support RBW.
>
> > Thanks,
> > mike- Hide quoted text -
>
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[RBW] Re: Thoughts and experiences with 48cm Noodles?

[MichaelH]

My experience was just the opposite.  I'm 6'1" and ride a 62 Ram.  I
switched from 46 to 48 and found I preferred the 46.  I think it's
going to be a pretty personal choice. In addition to not feeling quite
right to me, 48 seemed to make the slow speed handling a bit twitchy.
Fortunately used noodles are easy to sell, so it wont be too big a
deal either way.

michael

On Feb 22, 3:48 pm, Leslie  wrote:
> I'm also 6' and not narrow-shouldered, and am running 48cm Noodles on
> my Rambouillet (a 60cm frame).  I really wouldn't want something
> narrower on there.
>
> I'm currently plotting a Bomba, tryin' to decide what to do... would
> be tempted to go w/ bigger Noodles if they had any bigger than 48's,
> or, maybe some drops that splay out...  but I may go w/ a
> Bullmoose still decipherin'
>
> -L
>
> On Feb 22, 1:06 pm, Mike  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm planning on putting together a touring/camping bike this year and
> > kicking around the idea of using 48cm Noodle handlebars. I've been
> > using the 46s for years now and love them but when touring on them
> > there have been times when I found myself wishing they were a tad
> > wider, especially when climbing. I'm 6' and broad shouldered. I have a
> > feeling the perceived drawbacks to using them are more mental and
> > cosmetic. What are folks experiences with using them?
>
> > Last year I sold my Rambouillet frame with the intention of using the
> > funds for a Hunqapillar or maybe a Hillborne. I've taken my time in
> > trying to make a decision and am starting to lean more towards an LHT.
> > Yes, a far lesser bike but very capable and something I'm more
> > inclined to feel comfortable locking up around town. I'd probably get
> > a 60cm frame with the 26" wheels so with 48cm bars it would certainly
> > be an odd looking bike but probably very practical. Who knows though,
> > those new pictures of the SH really have the wheels in my head
> > spinning. And I do like to support RBW.
>
> > Thanks,
> > mike

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts and experiences with 48cm Noodles?

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

@Mike: I'm surprised at the 60cm LHT choice. I'm 6', PBH of 90 (so
probably a *little* longer-legged than normal) and I'm sure I'd take
the 62. Even it might feel a little small. My 60cm Hillborne (with
upsloping top tubes) fits fine. But even it would be a little better
at 61cm, perhaps even 62cm.

Anyway...

@Mike and @Leslie

I'd love to see a 50cm Noodle, though I doubt it'll happen soon. If
I'd purchased a 46cm Noodle, I'd've probably sold it within a few
weeks of riding it. The 48cm is the smallest drop I'd ride. (It also
happens to accommodate top-of-the-bar shifters just off the clamp with
enough room for my hands on the tops as well as the all-important
BarSack and its rack.)

But...

Have you considered the Moustache? I don't really climb (the Chicago
area not being known for its hills :)). But I do really like the
choice of hand positions the Moustache provides (near the ends for
"drops"-like grip... behind the brakes for stretching out, in between
for moderate relaxation). At 51.5cm wide, they're as close to a 50cm
Noodle as I've seen, though admittedly that's not very close.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Feb 22, 2:48 pm, Leslie  wrote:
> I'm also 6' and not narrow-shouldered, and am running 48cm Noodles on
> my Rambouillet (a 60cm frame).  I really wouldn't want something
> narrower on there.
>
> I'm currently plotting a Bomba, tryin' to decide what to do... would
> be tempted to go w/ bigger Noodles if they had any bigger than 48's,
> or, maybe some drops that splay out...  but I may go w/ a
> Bullmoose still decipherin'
>
> -L
>
> On Feb 22, 1:06 pm, Mike  wrote:
>
> > I'm planning on putting together a touring/camping bike this year and
> > kicking around the idea of using 48cm Noodle handlebars. I've been
> > using the 46s for years now and love them but when touring on them
> > there have been times when I found myself wishing they were a tad
> > wider, especially when climbing. I'm 6' and broad shouldered. I have a
> > feeling the perceived drawbacks to using them are more mental and
> > cosmetic. What are folks experiences with using them?
>
> > Last year I sold my Rambouillet frame with the intention of using the
> > funds for a Hunqapillar or maybe a Hillborne. I've taken my time in
> > trying to make a decision and am starting to lean more towards an LHT.
> > Yes, a far lesser bike but very capable and something I'm more
> > inclined to feel comfortable locking up around town. I'd probably get
> > a 60cm frame with the 26" wheels so with 48cm bars it would certainly
> > be an odd looking bike but probably very practical. Who knows though,
> > those new pictures of the SH really have the wheels in my head
> > spinning. And I do like to support RBW.
>
> > Thanks,
> > mike

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[RBW] Re: WAS: Bombacampatourarangadil NOW: Expressing Opinions

[Kevin M]

How do you like the Sram~Noodle Combo? 

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts and experiences with 48cm Noodles?

[Leslie]

I'm also 6' and not narrow-shouldered, and am running 48cm Noodles on
my Rambouillet (a 60cm frame).  I really wouldn't want something
narrower on there.

I'm currently plotting a Bomba, tryin' to decide what to do... would
be tempted to go w/ bigger Noodles if they had any bigger than 48's,
or, maybe some drops that splay out...  but I may go w/ a
Bullmoose still decipherin'


-L



On Feb 22, 1:06 pm, Mike  wrote:
> I'm planning on putting together a touring/camping bike this year and
> kicking around the idea of using 48cm Noodle handlebars. I've been
> using the 46s for years now and love them but when touring on them
> there have been times when I found myself wishing they were a tad
> wider, especially when climbing. I'm 6' and broad shouldered. I have a
> feeling the perceived drawbacks to using them are more mental and
> cosmetic. What are folks experiences with using them?
>
> Last year I sold my Rambouillet frame with the intention of using the
> funds for a Hunqapillar or maybe a Hillborne. I've taken my time in
> trying to make a decision and am starting to lean more towards an LHT.
> Yes, a far lesser bike but very capable and something I'm more
> inclined to feel comfortable locking up around town. I'd probably get
> a 60cm frame with the 26" wheels so with 48cm bars it would certainly
> be an odd looking bike but probably very practical. Who knows though,
> those new pictures of the SH really have the wheels in my head
> spinning. And I do like to support RBW.
>
> Thanks,
> mike

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[RBW] WAS: Bombacampatourarangadil NOW: Expressing Opinions

[Jon Grant]

Excited about my latest toy/bike/clothes/haircut/whatever, I'd go show off
to my godmother, who sometimes would simply ask, "Well, do _you_ like it?"
When I responded in the affirmative, she'd smile, pat my forearm, and say
very sincerely, "Then that's all that matters, Dear."
--
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> From: William 

> Is "blaze your own trail" nice-man-speak for "yuck!" ?

> hee hee.  I realize it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I'm into it.

>> On Feb 20, 7:40 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
>> Bill, you certainly like to blaze your own trail color wise. Looks
>> like a sturdy rig for some touring for sure.

>> I picked up a pair of those SRAM levers too and the Bordeaux Gold

>> Hudz  as well.  They seem to have a very nice feel to me size wise.

>> ~Mike

>>> On Feb 20, 4:26 pm, William  wrote:

>>> I'd been planning this drop bar cockpit for the Bombadil for a while.
>>> Jay got the stem painted for me to match.  It's not totally perfect,
>>> just a hair on the red side, but plenty good.  It's my first time to
>>> use the SRAM levers as well.  Hopefully I'll get it out for a couple
>>> hours tomorrow.  There's several shots up on my flickr

>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5463436986/

>>> For the record, as pictured, with racks and fenders, it's less than
>>> 30lbs.  That's Newbaums burgundy with two coats of amber.  I was
>>> thinking Virginia Tech colors.  I am pleased with how it turned out.




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Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?

[Robert Zeidler]

...and almost everywhere else one could visit. 

Best Regards,
R Zeidler

On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:46 PM, Benedikt  wrote:

> I gotta go with you on this, omnigrid.  I think people get to
> "mystical" about chain lube.  As a side note I was amazed to see the
> rusty covered squeaky creaky chains people had on their daily riders
> when I went down to Cozumel, Mex.
> 
> On Feb 22, 8:23 am, omnigrid  wrote:
>> you guys sure go through alot of trouble lubing your chains.
>> 
>> I hit each link with a drop of boshield after riding in wet conditions or
>> when the chain makes any sound, let it sit overnight or a few hours, and
>> then wipe off. no problems. easy.
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:58 AM, jim phillips wrote:
>> 
>>>  Why would moisture haver an effect on wax. I wax guns and knives to keep
>>> them from rusting due to the high humidity here...
>> 
>>> JimP
>> 
>>> --
>>> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 07:22:02 -0800
>>> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?
>>> From: cyclotour...@gmail.com
>>> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>> 
>>> I use a "Fry Baby" deep fryer.  I don't know what temp it heats to.  FYI,
>>> the wax is useless with the slightest bit of moisture.  Not a problem for me
>>> in the summer as it performs wonderfully in dry and dusty conditions.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>> 
>>> Check out EcoVelo - Alan has several posts on the how-to's and why-
>>> to's of waxing.
>> 
>>> -Pete
>> 
>>> On Feb 22, 4:45 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
>>>  > Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a
 riv reader for that matter.
>> 
 The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus
 212 Fahrenheit max.
>> 
 Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the
 flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability
 reasons, one assumes).
>> 
 So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better
 penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the
 necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic?
>> 
 Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally
 try wax after 20 years of cycling.
>> 
 Cheers,
>> 
 Gernot
>> 
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>>> probably benefit more from
>>> improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS
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[RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?

[Jim Cloud]

I used chain waxing for some time in the past.  I heated the wax in an
aluminum pan directly above the heat source (oven burner), never
burned down the house.  Today, however, I've been using White
Lightning lubricant for some time.  It's clean and very easy to
apply.  I'm probably going to try the Boeshield T-9 product in the
future, it is recommended highly by many cyclists on the forums (where
are you Steve Palinscar?).  The Boeshield product leaves a waxy
coating after it dries and it doesn't require any very special
technique to apply.

In my opinion, after using chain waxing, it really was messy and too
much trouble to go through the process of getting the wax sufficiently
heated to get a good penetration.  There was also, in my mind, the
concern of getting the wax temperature up to a flash point.  This is a
legitimate concern.

Rivendell sells the Boeshield T-9 product, by the way, so I guess
Grant must like the product well enough to sell it...

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Feb 22, 2:45 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
> Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a
> riv reader for that matter.
>
> The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus
> 212 Fahrenheit max.
>
> Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the
> flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability
> reasons, one assumes).
>
> So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better
> penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the
> necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic?
>
> Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally
> try wax after 20 years of cycling.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gernot

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Color

[William]

I like the grilver a lot.  Bidding is underway.  Somebody is going to
get a great deal.

On Feb 22, 9:17 am, Mike  wrote:
> I really like the new color and the look of the fenders. I saw those
> fenders when I was at RBWHQ last Sept and thought they were great. The
> appeared thicker than the standard SKS and the cream color looked to
> be the actual color of the fender, not paint. Nice that they're
> longer.
>
> The whole bike looks great.
>
> --mike

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[RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?

[Benedikt]

I gotta go with you on this, omnigrid.  I think people get to
"mystical" about chain lube.  As a side note I was amazed to see the
rusty covered squeaky creaky chains people had on their daily riders
when I went down to Cozumel, Mex.

On Feb 22, 8:23 am, omnigrid  wrote:
> you guys sure go through alot of trouble lubing your chains.
>
> I hit each link with a drop of boshield after riding in wet conditions or
> when the chain makes any sound, let it sit overnight or a few hours, and
> then wipe off. no problems. easy.
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:58 AM, jim phillips wrote:
>
> >  Why would moisture haver an effect on wax. I wax guns and knives to keep
> > them from rusting due to the high humidity here...
>
> > JimP
>
> > --
> > Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 07:22:02 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?
> > From: cyclotour...@gmail.com
> > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > I use a "Fry Baby" deep fryer.  I don't know what temp it heats to.  FYI,
> > the wax is useless with the slightest bit of moisture.  Not a problem for me
> > in the summer as it performs wonderfully in dry and dusty conditions.
>
> > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
> > Check out EcoVelo - Alan has several posts on the how-to's and why-
> > to's of waxing.
>
> > -Pete
>
> > On Feb 22, 4:45 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
> >  > Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a
> > > riv reader for that matter.
>
> > > The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus
> > > 212 Fahrenheit max.
>
> > > Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the
> > > flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability
> > > reasons, one assumes).
>
> > > So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better
> > > penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the
> > > necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic?
>
> > > Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally
> > > try wax after 20 years of cycling.
>
> > > Cheers,
>
> > > Gernot
>
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[RBW] Thoughts and experiences with 48cm Noodles?

[Mike]

I'm planning on putting together a touring/camping bike this year and
kicking around the idea of using 48cm Noodle handlebars. I've been
using the 46s for years now and love them but when touring on them
there have been times when I found myself wishing they were a tad
wider, especially when climbing. I'm 6' and broad shouldered. I have a
feeling the perceived drawbacks to using them are more mental and
cosmetic. What are folks experiences with using them?

Last year I sold my Rambouillet frame with the intention of using the
funds for a Hunqapillar or maybe a Hillborne. I've taken my time in
trying to make a decision and am starting to lean more towards an LHT.
Yes, a far lesser bike but very capable and something I'm more
inclined to feel comfortable locking up around town. I'd probably get
a 60cm frame with the 26" wheels so with 48cm bars it would certainly
be an odd looking bike but probably very practical. Who knows though,
those new pictures of the SH really have the wheels in my head
spinning. And I do like to support RBW.

Thanks,
mike

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[RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?

[Bob Baxter]

I bought a small crock pot at a thrift store for a couple dollars and
the temperature is just right to melt the paraffin.  Just dunk the
chain in until it quits bubbling, fish it out, wipe it down and you're
good to go.

On Feb 22, 8:35 am, Peter Pesce  wrote:
> Check out EcoVelo - Alan has several posts on the how-to's and why-
> to's of waxing.
>
> -Pete
>
> On Feb 22, 4:45 am, Earl Grey  wrote:> Surprised I didn't 
> find the definitive answer in the archives, or a
> > riv reader for that matter.
>
> > The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus
> > 212 Fahrenheit max.
>
> > Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the
> > flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability
> > reasons, one assumes).
>
> > So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better
> > penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the
> > necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic?
>
> > Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally
> > try wax after 20 years of cycling.
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > Gernot

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[RBW] Re: Looking for TA rings & bolts.

[Jeremy]

Yes that is in fact what I meant.  Thanks for the link.

On Feb 21, 8:12 am, stevep33  wrote:
> 51? Do you mean 50.4?
>
> The Rene Herse (aka Boulder Bicycle) online store has a nice selection
> of rings and hardware.http://www.renehersestore.com/servlet/StoreFront
>
> On Feb 20, 7:32 pm, Jeremy Smith  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hello
> > I'm looking for a pair of TA 51BCD rings, preferably something like a 30-48 
> > pair.  I also need the bolts.
>
> > Thanks in advance!
>
> > Jeremy

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Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?

[omnigrid]

you guys sure go through alot of trouble lubing your chains.

I hit each link with a drop of boshield after riding in wet conditions or
when the chain makes any sound, let it sit overnight or a few hours, and
then wipe off. no problems. easy.

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:58 AM, jim phillips wrote:

>  Why would moisture haver an effect on wax. I wax guns and knives to keep
> them from rusting due to the high humidity here...
>
> JimP
>
> --
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 07:22:02 -0800
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?
> From: cyclotour...@gmail.com
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
>
> I use a "Fry Baby" deep fryer.  I don't know what temp it heats to.  FYI,
> the wax is useless with the slightest bit of moisture.  Not a problem for me
> in the summer as it performs wonderfully in dry and dusty conditions.
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
> Check out EcoVelo - Alan has several posts on the how-to's and why-
> to's of waxing.
>
> -Pete
>
> On Feb 22, 4:45 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
>  > Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a
> > riv reader for that matter.
> >
> > The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus
> > 212 Fahrenheit max.
> >
> > Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the
> > flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability
> > reasons, one assumes).
> >
> > So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better
> > penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the
> > necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic?
> >
> > Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally
> > try wax after 20 years of cycling.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Gernot
>
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[RBW] Re: More Winter Project updates

[Montclair BobbyB]

Several winter projects (too many, in fact)...

The two that have me most jazzed are:

Renaissancing his and hers 70s Gazelle Sport Luxe single speed/coaster
brake bikes into 8-speed/drum brake commuters with dyno front hub (all
Sturmey-Archer).  These Gazelles are gorgeous... I'll only finish the
ladies one by Spring...

Adding a 2-speed kickback freehub to my '86 Nishiki Prestige,
currently set up as a SS/fixie.  Waiting on spokes to lace up the
wheel.  Also recently laced up an old Specialized freehub, and have
plans to add back the original downtube shifters and Cyclone Mk II
derailleurs, giving this bike multiple personalities that I can
reconfigure... (SS/fixie, 2/4-speed to 12 speed).



On Feb 22, 10:34 am, Bruce  wrote:
> try bar ends on the 'stache bar. I have them on a similarly set up Japanese 
> crit
> racer from 1979-ish and they work really well.
>
> 
> From: Minh 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 7:59:53 AM
> Subject: [RBW] Re: More Winter Project updates
>
>   turn bridgestone into a light, no rack, no bags,
> moustache-bar bike.  It feels really quick now, very snappy, surprised
> at how great it rides, only possible tweak is the downtube shifters.
> i've never used dt shifters, and i'm still awkward getting to them.

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Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?

[Robert Zeidler]

What type of compressor? Air?

Best Regards,
R Zeidler

On Feb 22, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Montclair BobbyB  
wrote:

> I hot-waxed my chain for several years, enduring ridicule from the
> wife (and friends who caught me doin the double-boiler thing)... I got
> the idea from a dude in Pueblo, CO (in 1985)... This guy did a lot of
> "creek-riding"... where he would literally be riding his bike up and
> down a local creek (in the absence of trails)... Somehow I was
> convinced this was the only way to go.
> 
> Years later, after realizing I wasn't riding many creeks in the East
> and concluding that hot-waxing was indeed a royal PITA, I seemed to re-
> discover petrol-based lubes, the Park chain cleaner and the orange
> chain solvent.  In fact I've settled on a very basic, inexpensive an
> reliable lube (compressor-oil, if you can believe it)... This for me
> has consistently outperformed every other lube I've ever tried, but
> admittedly I'm unscientific... It just feels better.
> 
> Regardless I love this topic... it always ignites interesting debate,
> and I'm waiting for that simple, killer lube to one day emerge...
> either that, or the belt-drive thing may be a game-changer...
> 
> Bobby "I only wax poetic" Birmingham
> 
> 
> On Feb 22, 10:58 am, jim phillips  wrote:
>> Why would moisture haver an effect on wax. I wax guns and knives to keep 
>> them from rusting due to the high humidity here...
>> 
>> JimP
>> 
>> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 07:22:02 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?
>> From: cyclotour...@gmail.com
>> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> I use a "Fry Baby" deep fryer.  I don't know what temp it heats to.  FYI, 
>> the wax is useless with the slightest bit of moisture.  Not a problem for me 
>> in the summer as it performs wonderfully in dry and dusty conditions.
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>> 
>> Check out EcoVelo - Alan has several posts on the how-to's and why-
>> to's of waxing.
>> 
>> -Pete
>> 
>> On Feb 22, 4:45 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a
>>> riv reader for that matter.
>> 
>>> The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus
>>> 212 Fahrenheit max.
>> 
>>> Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the
>>> flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability
>>> reasons, one assumes).
>> 
>>> So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better
>>> penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the
>>> necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic?
>> 
>>> Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally
>>> try wax after 20 years of cycling.
>> 
>>> Cheers,
>> 
>>> Gernot
>> 
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>> improving their taste than from improving their performance. - RTMS
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[RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?

[grant]

I never actually used a double boiler, and I bet I did it 40 times.
The double-boiler idea was, indeed, a liability-elimination/reduction
suggestion/recommendation/admonition. And it remains so! But all I
ever did was get it hot enough to start to bibble. I once demonstrated
this at an REI bike clinic (when I worked there) and got the thing
really smoking, but I kept my cool and the wax penetration was so good
that I'm still riding that chain, 35 years later.

 First I cleaned the chain and used compressed air to blow out the
chaindegreaser. I don't think it's necessary, so don't give up if
that's a hurdle. The idea is not to dunk in a gunky chain, but that
should be intuitive.
In my early beeswax days I tried beeswax, but it's a hundred times too
sticky. Then I used parrafin 95-5 beeswax, but that was mainly so I
could claim "part beeswax".

You have to time the removal so the wax isn't so cool that it clogs up
the tooth space. Pull it out when it's syrupy, and hang it vertically
to dry.

I always liked waxed chains, but I'm sure they'd lose out in
scientific friction tests, and there's no touching them up with wax.
You can touch up with oil or chainlube. but then you have that to
contend with when you go to rewax. For most people it's too much
trouble, and it's certainly that way for me now (and for the last 30
years). Butyou can get 800 or so miles out of a waxed chain, and
if you have 5 bikes with them and ride 4,000 miles a year, rewaxing
once a year isn't bad.

ALWAYS USE A DOUBLE BOILER, DO IT AT LEAST 50 FEET FROM ANYTHING
FLAMMABLE, DON'T LET ANYBODY ELSE OR ANY ANIMALS NEAR IT, AND WEAR AN
ASBESTOS SUIT.

On Feb 22, 1:45 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
> Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a
> riv reader for that matter.
>
> The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus
> 212 Fahrenheit max.
>
> Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the
> flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability
> reasons, one assumes).
>
> So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better
> penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the
> necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic?
>
> Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally
> try wax after 20 years of cycling.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gernot

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Color

[Mike]

I really like the new color and the look of the fenders. I saw those
fenders when I was at RBWHQ last Sept and thought they were great. The
appeared thicker than the standard SKS and the cream color looked to
be the actual color of the fender, not paint. Nice that they're
longer.

The whole bike looks great.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?

[Montclair BobbyB]

I hot-waxed my chain for several years, enduring ridicule from the
wife (and friends who caught me doin the double-boiler thing)... I got
the idea from a dude in Pueblo, CO (in 1985)... This guy did a lot of
"creek-riding"... where he would literally be riding his bike up and
down a local creek (in the absence of trails)... Somehow I was
convinced this was the only way to go.

Years later, after realizing I wasn't riding many creeks in the East
and concluding that hot-waxing was indeed a royal PITA, I seemed to re-
discover petrol-based lubes, the Park chain cleaner and the orange
chain solvent.  In fact I've settled on a very basic, inexpensive an
reliable lube (compressor-oil, if you can believe it)... This for me
has consistently outperformed every other lube I've ever tried, but
admittedly I'm unscientific... It just feels better.

Regardless I love this topic... it always ignites interesting debate,
and I'm waiting for that simple, killer lube to one day emerge...
either that, or the belt-drive thing may be a game-changer...

Bobby "I only wax poetic" Birmingham


On Feb 22, 10:58 am, jim phillips  wrote:
> Why would moisture haver an effect on wax. I wax guns and knives to keep them 
> from rusting due to the high humidity here...
>
> JimP
>
> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 07:22:02 -0800
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?
> From: cyclotour...@gmail.com
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> I use a "Fry Baby" deep fryer.  I don't know what temp it heats to.  FYI, the 
> wax is useless with the slightest bit of moisture.  Not a problem for me in 
> the summer as it performs wonderfully in dry and dusty conditions.
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
> Check out EcoVelo - Alan has several posts on the how-to's and why-
> to's of waxing.
>
> -Pete
>
> On Feb 22, 4:45 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a
> > riv reader for that matter.
>
> > The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus
> > 212 Fahrenheit max.
>
> > Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the
> > flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability
> > reasons, one assumes).
>
> > So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better
> > penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the
> > necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic?
>
> > Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally
> > try wax after 20 years of cycling.
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > Gernot
>
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[RBW] Re: Pre-Bomba?

[Michael_S]

Ahhh...  now I see where Jones got his inspiration... That '77 Joe
Breeze is a beautiful machine... what I'd give to have one of those!
I still wish Grant would make the 54 Hunqua with the extra tube.
That's what makes that bike to me.

Rob, did you snatch that Raleigh right up?

~Mike

On Feb 21, 10:14 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
> on 2/21/11 7:14 PM, rperks at perks@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >http://ventura.craigslist.org/bik/2227356668.html
>
> > Raleigh trail-rider, saw on craig's list then confirmed here
>
> >http://www.mombat.org/1982_Raleigh_Trail_rider.htm
>
> > More proof that there is little new under the sun.
>
> Well, they do seem to be drawing more than a little inspiration from the '77
> Breezers -http://mombat.org/Breezer.htm
>
> http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=breezer&w=93409214%40N00
>
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Re: [RBW] Sam for a Sam

[erik jensen]

I'll vouch for the good beusaged condition of the bike in question and
the excellent character of adam. somebody should trade with him!

erik

On Tuesday, February 22, 2011, JimP  wrote:
> Do you have any pics to show the color and condition of your bike?
>
> best,
>
> JimP
>
> On Feb 21, 9:36 pm, Adam  wrote:
>> Greetings All,
>>
>> A quick note to see if there is any curiosity in a potential bike
>> trade.  I have a 52cm Hillborne with plenty of beausage though
>> mechanically perfect that I've had for close to 2 years.  I recently
>> hopped on a larger frame and realized I may be more comfortable on a
>> 56cm.  I am perfectly content to ride my 52cm for the next decade but
>> thought I might see if there is anyone out there with a 56 that feels
>> too big. Located in Berkeley for logistic's sake.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Adam
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[RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Funny, Doug... My wife (too) scored me a cheap electric burner at a
garage sale so that I could "conveniently" do my waxing in the man-
cave (aka garage)... as is "Get that s*** outta my kitchen"...

BB

On Feb 22, 10:29 am, doug peterson  wrote:
> I never measured the temp but the wax is thin enough to drip off the
> chain when I lift it out.  For years I used a coffee can (wax & chain)
> sitting in a saucepan of water, only letting the water get to a gentle
> boil.  My wife picked up a small fondue pot so I could move the
> operation into the garage.  Wipe down the chain, hook the ends with a
> couple of re-purposed paper clips for easy retrieval, & drop into the
> pot.  Turn on high & go about my garage tinkering.  It may take 20-30
> minutes for the wax to melt & get hot, not sure, never timed it.  I
> suppose the chain sits there for half hour or more.  Remove, hang from
> a hook over an old newspaper, wipe down to removed excess wax & let
> cool for a few minutes.  That's as scientific as I've gotten so it
> seems the recipe isn't critical.
>
> dougP
>
> On Feb 22, 1:45 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a
> > riv reader for that matter.
>
> > The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus
> > 212 Fahrenheit max.
>
> > Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the
> > flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability
> > reasons, one assumes).
>
> > So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better
> > penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the
> > necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic?
>
> > Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally
> > try wax after 20 years of cycling.
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > Gernot- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Color

[James Warren]

Lucky you. My Taiwan Sam does have the lawyer lips.
Always cause 5 seconds of irritation when loading onto a car.


On Feb 21, 2011, at 11:23 PM, Earl Grey wrote:

> I am not huge on silver, but with the cream accents and fenders it's
> fairly stunning. Love the bar tape color, too.
> 
> Speaking of lawyers lips, I wasn't aware that ANY rivs had them. Too
> bad. My TaiwaSam doesn't, and I am glad.
> 
> Gernot
> 
> On Feb 22, 10:00 am, rcnute  wrote:
>> I think I'm beginning to like "undertubes"!
>> 
>> Ryan
>> 
>> On Feb 21, 5:29 pm, Brian Hanson  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/333
>> 
>>> Looks like there's a new Sam color on the block.  I like the fender color
>>> contrast - nice mix with the decals.  I'm not sure I like the "grilver" - It
>>> seems like bike colors are following car colors to neutral.  I liked silvers
>>> about 8 years ago, but am losing my interest.  If it's silver, I like bare
>>> metal.  Otherwise, give me some "colorway".
>> 
>>> Brian
>>> With the copper AHH - I know - sorta hypocritical...
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RE: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?

[jim phillips]

Why would moisture haver an effect on wax. I wax guns and knives to keep them 
from rusting due to the high humidity here...
 
JimP
 


Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 07:22:02 -0800
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?
From: cyclotour...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

I use a "Fry Baby" deep fryer.  I don't know what temp it heats to.  FYI, the 
wax is useless with the slightest bit of moisture.  Not a problem for me in the 
summer as it performs wonderfully in dry and dusty conditions.


On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:

Check out EcoVelo - Alan has several posts on the how-to's and why-
to's of waxing.

-Pete


On Feb 22, 4:45 am, Earl Grey  wrote:



> Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a
> riv reader for that matter.
>
> The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus
> 212 Fahrenheit max.
>
> Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the
> flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability
> reasons, one assumes).
>
> So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better
> penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the
> necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic?
>
> Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally
> try wax after 20 years of cycling.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gernot

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[RBW] Re: Sam for a Sam

[JimP]

Do you have any pics to show the color and condition of your bike?

best,

JimP

On Feb 21, 9:36 pm, Adam  wrote:
> Greetings All,
>
> A quick note to see if there is any curiosity in a potential bike
> trade.  I have a 52cm Hillborne with plenty of beausage though
> mechanically perfect that I've had for close to 2 years.  I recently
> hopped on a larger frame and realized I may be more comfortable on a
> 56cm.  I am perfectly content to ride my 52cm for the next decade but
> thought I might see if there is anyone out there with a 56 that feels
> too big. Located in Berkeley for logistic's sake.
>
> Cheers,
> Adam

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Re: [RBW] Re: More Winter Project updates

[Bruce]

try bar ends on the 'stache bar. I have them on a similarly set up Japanese 
crit 
racer from 1979-ish and they work really well.





From: Minh 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 7:59:53 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: More Winter Project updates


  turn bridgestone into a light, no rack, no bags,
moustache-bar bike.  It feels really quick now, very snappy, surprised
at how great it rides, only possible tweak is the downtube shifters.
i've never used dt shifters, and i'm still awkward getting to them.



  

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RE: [RBW] Sam for a Sam

[jim phillips]

Do you have any pics to show color and condition of your bike?
 
best,
 
JimP
 
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:36:59 -0800
> Subject: [RBW] Sam for a Sam
> From: oceanm...@gmail.com
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> 
> Greetings All,
> 
> A quick note to see if there is any curiosity in a potential bike
> trade. I have a 52cm Hillborne with plenty of beausage though
> mechanically perfect that I've had for close to 2 years. I recently
> hopped on a larger frame and realized I may be more comfortable on a
> 56cm. I am perfectly content to ride my 52cm for the next decade but
> thought I might see if there is anyone out there with a 56 that feels
> too big. Located in Berkeley for logistic's sake.
> 
> Cheers,
> Adam
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[RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?

[doug peterson]

I never measured the temp but the wax is thin enough to drip off the
chain when I lift it out.  For years I used a coffee can (wax & chain)
sitting in a saucepan of water, only letting the water get to a gentle
boil.  My wife picked up a small fondue pot so I could move the
operation into the garage.  Wipe down the chain, hook the ends with a
couple of re-purposed paper clips for easy retrieval, & drop into the
pot.  Turn on high & go about my garage tinkering.  It may take 20-30
minutes for the wax to melt & get hot, not sure, never timed it.  I
suppose the chain sits there for half hour or more.  Remove, hang from
a hook over an old newspaper, wipe down to removed excess wax & let
cool for a few minutes.  That's as scientific as I've gotten so it
seems the recipe isn't critical.

dougP

On Feb 22, 1:45 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
> Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a
> riv reader for that matter.
>
> The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus
> 212 Fahrenheit max.
>
> Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the
> flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability
> reasons, one assumes).
>
> So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better
> penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the
> necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic?
>
> Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally
> try wax after 20 years of cycling.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gernot

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Re: [RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?

[cyclotourist]

I use a "Fry Baby" deep fryer.  I don't know what temp it heats to.  FYI,
the wax is useless with the slightest bit of moisture.  Not a problem for me
in the summer as it performs wonderfully in dry and dusty conditions.

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:

> Check out EcoVelo - Alan has several posts on the how-to's and why-
> to's of waxing.
>
> -Pete
>
> On Feb 22, 4:45 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
> > Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a
> > riv reader for that matter.
> >
> > The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus
> > 212 Fahrenheit max.
> >
> > Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the
> > flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability
> > reasons, one assumes).
> >
> > So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better
> > penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the
> > necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic?
> >
> > Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally
> > try wax after 20 years of cycling.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Gernot
>
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[RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?

[Peter Pesce]

Check out EcoVelo - Alan has several posts on the how-to's and why-
to's of waxing.

-Pete

On Feb 22, 4:45 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
> Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a
> riv reader for that matter.
>
> The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus
> 212 Fahrenheit max.
>
> Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the
> flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability
> reasons, one assumes).
>
> So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better
> penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the
> necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic?
>
> Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally
> try wax after 20 years of cycling.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gernot

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[RBW] Re: More Winter Project updates

[stevep33]

Good solution, turning the problem on it's head like that.

My winter project was to convert my old Trek 610 to 650b while I wait
for delivery on a real 650b frame.  Didn't work so much because the
rear brake bridge was just to high even for extra long brakes.  The BB
was a tad low too.  I put the 700c kit back on; it's great and I'm not
sure why I ever questioned it.  It also turns out that my 650b frame
is nearly ready, so it'll be a win win.

On Feb 22, 1:24 am, William  wrote:
> After seeing people over and over try a 650B conversion on a 700C bike
> and end up with a too-low BB, it made sense to me to start with a
> really low BB 650B bike and have an alternate configuration with 700C
> raise it up a touch.  The difference in BB height as pictured with
> 700x28s is only ~6mm higher than it is with Hetres.

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[RBW] Re: More Winter Project updates

[Minh]

Well i might as well chime in, my winter projects last month.

--Take Bridgestone road-bike i found in the trash and built up as a
light tourer, strip off most of the touring-ish parts and transfer to
my new Sam H.  turn bridgestone into a light, no rack, no bags,
moustache-bar bike.  It feels really quick now, very snappy, surprised
at how great it rides, only possible tweak is the downtube shifters.
i've never used dt shifters, and i'm still awkward getting to them.

--build up Sam H, mostly from ebay parts so built-up conservatively,
very happy with the ride and comfort, but concerned i might've gone
over-board with the touring stuff (full rear rack, front-rack, fenders
et-al) as it's pretty heavy to get up the stairs, need to see how that
develops.

--comfort bike/cruiser, great old bike i bought on ebay about 10 years
ago, all chrome, dove bars.  swapped out rear rack (wanted nitto on
Sam H), new wood grips, finally converted the front brake (from a mac-
guyver drop bolt setup to long reach nexus brakes), vo chain-guard,
dropped the front-der (never used it anyway)

just got some schwalbe tires so will wrestle those on shortly...

I only wish it would warm up so i could ride more

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Color

[Minh]

Hmm are those the new Cream SKS fenders?  Are they painted or is that
the color of the plastic?

LOL about the fender installation fee, i agree, it's worth that much,
even for the SKS ones which i think are easier then the VO/B erthoud/
Honjo ones...

On Feb 22, 6:26 am, newenglandbike  wrote:
> Well since it lives in-between the top and down tubes, maybe it's an
> inner-tube
>
> On Feb 21, 10:00 pm, rcnute  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I think I'm beginning to like "undertubes"!
>
> > Ryan

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[RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?

[Earl Grey]

I should mention that I have a digital thermometer with a remote
sensor that goes to 400 F and has a temperature alarm, so I could
probably go to 350 F or so safely and easily, if there was a point to
it. Grant, where did you get the 400 F from?

Cheers,

Gernot


On Feb 22, 6:29 pm, Mojo  wrote:
> As Angus said if its smokin' it ain't good or safe. I would use a
> safer lower temperature and just leave the chain in longer so that the
> metal warms and expands and allows better penetration.
>
> or there is this really cool stuff called ProLink Pro Gold...
>
> On Feb 22, 3:56 am, Angus  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Gernot,
>
> > Before reading the body of your post my thought was a double boiler.
>
> > 400 F for a 425 F flash point is way too close for me, difficult to
> > keep an event temperature on a stove at home.  Besides, some things
> > tend to get smokey close to the flash point.
>
> > If I were worried about the wax penetrating, I would leave the chain
> > in the hot wax longer.
>
> > Angus
>
> > On Feb 22, 3:45 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
> > > Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a
> > > riv reader for that matter.
>
> > > The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus
> > > 212 Fahrenheit max.
>
> > > Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the
> > > flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability
> > > reasons, one assumes).
>
> > > So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better
> > > penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the
> > > necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic?
>
> > > Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally
> > > try wax after 20 years of cycling.
>
> > > Cheers,
>
> > > Gernot- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: winter projects/want to buy handlebars

[Justin August]

Try the VO drops. They have a non-flared one I believe.

On Feb 21, 10:35 pm, ejg  wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Well, it's still winter and somehow I managed to finish my 1970
> Raleigh Competition "winter project" (Thanks to list you list members
> who sold me bits I needed)
>
> Anyway, another project is in the works and I need some handlebars. My
> other bikes have Nitto Noodles 46cm and Nitto Randonneur bars (unsure
> of the size)
>
> I'm looking for a Nitto drop bar thats not as wavy as the Noodle and
> not as flared as the Rando. I'd like something with parallel ramps and
> drops or something close.
>
> Checked the RIV site, but they don't have any bars I want. The Grand
> Bois bars are an option, but I would prefer to buy something used and
> 26.0.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> EJG

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Re: [RBW] Re: More Winter Project updates

[Bruce]

My winter project was easy.  I saw an '88 B'Stone MB-2 advertised on the iBOB 
list, and bought it. UPS delivered it yesterday.  It was well packaged by the 
seller, and I had it back together in a short time. My 1st exposure to the  Dia 
Compe brakes of the period and getting them adjusted to suit took three hands 
and a little extra finagling. The original Ritchey Force 2" tires still have a 
supple ride at 60 PSI. I put a broken-in Brooks B-17 from shelf stock on it and 
took it for a spin. The geometry was very comfortable (although the tires are 
not intended for road use. They squish when cornering on pavement) and looking 
at it in the garage this morning as I was out there doing sit ups, it was very 
familiar looking.  Long chain stays, slightly up-slope top tube, nice fork 
rake, 
lugs everywhere... 


In fact it looks very much like a Bombadil of the same size (Mine is a 45 CM 
and 
the Bomba is a 48CM frame). It should with similar angles and proportions 
(although it has 559 wheels, not 584s like the Bomba)

Anyway,nice bike.  Pics when it gets out into the wild..





On Feb 21, 2:16 pm, William  wrote:
> A big part of my winter projects involved 



  

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[RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?

[Mojo]

As Angus said if its smokin' it ain't good or safe. I would use a
safer lower temperature and just leave the chain in longer so that the
metal warms and expands and allows better penetration.

or there is this really cool stuff called ProLink Pro Gold...

On Feb 22, 3:56 am, Angus  wrote:
> Gernot,
>
> Before reading the body of your post my thought was a double boiler.
>
> 400 F for a 425 F flash point is way too close for me, difficult to
> keep an event temperature on a stove at home.  Besides, some things
> tend to get smokey close to the flash point.
>
> If I were worried about the wax penetrating, I would leave the chain
> in the hot wax longer.
>
> Angus
>
> On Feb 22, 3:45 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a
> > riv reader for that matter.
>
> > The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus
> > 212 Fahrenheit max.
>
> > Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the
> > flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability
> > reasons, one assumes).
>
> > So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better
> > penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the
> > necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic?
>
> > Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally
> > try wax after 20 years of cycling.
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > Gernot- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Color

[newenglandbike]

Well since it lives in-between the top and down tubes, maybe it's an
inner-tube



On Feb 21, 10:00 pm, rcnute  wrote:
> I think I'm beginning to like "undertubes"!
>
> Ryan
>

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[RBW] Re: waxing chains--how hot the wax?

[Angus]

Gernot,

Before reading the body of your post my thought was a double boiler.

400 F for a 425 F flash point is way too close for me, difficult to
keep an event temperature on a stove at home.  Besides, some things
tend to get smokey close to the flash point.

If I were worried about the wax penetrating, I would leave the chain
in the hot wax longer.

Angus

On Feb 22, 3:45 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
> Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a
> riv reader for that matter.
>
> The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus
> 212 Fahrenheit max.
>
> Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the
> flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability
> reasons, one assumes).
>
> So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better
> penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the
> necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic?
>
> Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally
> try wax after 20 years of cycling.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gernot

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[RBW] Re: More Winter Project updates

[Angus]

Having a reputation isn't all bad, but I'm still looking for the
hideous color combination...

Nice looking bike!

Angus

On Feb 21, 2:16 pm, William  wrote:
> A big part of my winter projects involved liquidating a bunch of my
> high-value and comparatively low utility bike parts.  Highlights
> included selling some Ultegra Brifters and Flight deck computer form
> my tandem, which allowed me to convert it to indexed barcons and
> proper V-Brake levers.
>
> Another big conversion was converting my go-fast Davidson Signature to
> more of a rando bike.  I used my rebate to get a Mark's Rack, and
> parted out a full Chorus 10 speed kit.  Now the Davidson has friction
> barcons, a compact double, and a handlebar bag with decaleur.  A
> failed part of this conversion was I tried to get a 46-29 compact
> double on there, but couldn't manage to work around the braze on ft
> derailleur tab.  I tried modifying a clamp type braze on, but it
> didn't work out.  I might revisit that, but if I ever get a repaint
> that braze on is history.  As it sits, it's a 50/34 in front with a
> 12-26 9 speed in back.  That's good for a lot of things for a go-
> fast.
>
> FWIW, all-metal Campy seems to be doing REALLY well on the second-hand
> market.  I parlayed about $1500 in ebay sales, and if anything made my
> bike more functional.
>
> The bike also exhibits another hideous color-combination, for which I
> might be developing a reputation.  I have a close relative fighting
> breast cancer, so I wanted to get the pink out one way or another.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/5466031572/in/set-721576259...

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[RBW] waxing chains--how hot the wax?

[Earl Grey]

Surprised I didn't find the definitive answer in the archives, or a
riv reader for that matter.

The 1992 Bridgestone catalogue mentions using a double boiler, thus
212 Fahrenheit max.

Riv Reader Vol 1 Issue 1 says Grant uses a 400 F bath, and says the
flash point is 425 F. Also says don't do this at home (liability
reasons, one assumes).

So, what do the extra 188 F get you? Lower viscosity and better
penetration? Has anyone found this to matter, or has anyone the
necessary scientific background to theorize upon the topic?

Winter here is bone dry season, so it seems like the time to finally
try wax after 20 years of cycling.

Cheers,

Gernot

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Color

[newenglandbike]

Grilver is great.  It's nice that they are changing colors (not
that the orange or green weren't excellent)-   it might be good to
change paint on all their models every once in a while.

Are those the new SKS fenders?It looks like they provide lots of
coverage.


-Matt

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Color

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Ah-ha! Excellent!

As I am contemplating a second Sam sometime soon-ish (well, not *that*
soon-ish), I am glad they are contemplating new color(s).

If they do change the color then I'll get free differentiation (I was
also contemplating a custom-color paint job; not having to do that
would save some real money).

Fork shmork! Don't care which I have; don't care which I get. As long
as it's strong and purty enough.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of grey or silvery-grey or grey-y-silver
and whatnot. However, I understand completely the whole "neutral
beauty" concept. Done right, a neutral color can have that
understated, sneaks-up-on-you kind of attractiveness. Here's hoping
it'd be done right. I hope someone reports in with first-hand
impressions.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Feb 22, 1:23 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
> I am not huge on silver, but with the cream accents and fenders it's
> fairly stunning. Love the bar tape color, too.
>
> Speaking of lawyers lips, I wasn't aware that ANY rivs had them. Too
> bad. My TaiwaSam doesn't, and I am glad.
>
> Gernot
>
> On Feb 22, 10:00 am, rcnute  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I think I'm beginning to like "undertubes"!
>
> > Ryan
>
> > On Feb 21, 5:29 pm, Brian Hanson  wrote:
>
> > >http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/333
>
> > > Looks like there's a new Sam color on the block.  I like the fender color
> > > contrast - nice mix with the decals.  I'm not sure I like the "grilver" - 
> > > It
> > > seems like bike colors are following car colors to neutral.  I liked 
> > > silvers
> > > about 8 years ago, but am losing my interest.  If it's silver, I like bare
> > > metal.  Otherwise, give me some "colorway".
>
> > > Brian
> > > With the copper AHH - I know - sorta hypocritical...- Hide quoted text -
>
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