Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy build

[James Warren]

Yes!

Your bike makes me want to hop on a bike and go.


On Feb 25, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Powderpiggy wrote:

> So can Yves join the flickr group too??
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/54500043@N05/5477629930/
> 
> 
> On Feb 25, 2:33 am, Marty  wrote:
>> Betty deserves a Flickr Group of her very own.
>> 
>> http://www.flickr.com/groups/bettyfoy/
>> 
>> Let's see 'em!
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 1:16 pm, Bill  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Feb 24, 10:55 am, Minh  wrote:
>>> ...
>> 
 only thing i'd consider is maybe a painted color-matched chain
 guard.
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Even better: a chain guard made out of the same wood as the fenders,
>>> including the light double stripe.
>> 
>>> It's certainly a fantastic build nonetheless.
>> 
>>> Bill
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[RBW] Re: Andy Hampsten and Fat Tires. Sorta, kinda, probably and possibly off-topic but not really...

[Cycletex]

Well, as a complete and utter bike dork I would say yes, it's worth
the $22 although I actually only paid $19.33 since I purchased entry
for three days...

On Feb 25, 8:17 pm, SFF  wrote:
> I was thinking about riding the Quickbeam to Austin on Sunday to catch
> the last day of the show. Is it worth it? $22 to get in - anything
> Rivy at the show?
>
> Joel
>
> On Feb 25, 7:47 pm, Cycletex  wrote:
>
> > I overheard Andy Hampsten today at NAHBS say to someone, "Well, you
> > wouldn't put skinny tires on a race car now would you?"
>
> > As many of you know, he mounts Jack Browns on some of his bikes so not
> > really off topic by much.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Blue?

[kps]

thanks to both of you for this information!  yes, i believe my bike to
be that 'sky' blue grant liked so much, and it's a 2001
frame (new to me in 2010), so i'm sure it's the Imron 5056.
again, thanks to both of you for the help.
-kps


On Feb 25, 6:00 pm, lmc  wrote:
> I just looked through a Rivendell custom frame brochure from
> 2001 or so, and it lists the light blue as DuPont Imron 5056.
> Maybe that brochure can be found as a scan somewhere 
> at:http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/index.html/Lars

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[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

[Philip Williamson]

Two things - Grant often says things like 'my fastest time up the
local mountain was set in sandals,' or 'the times for x and y were
within..." To me, that says he's timing himself. A man of science.
And... when Dan Boxer was the first rider into the Oregon Manifest
checkpoint on his fat red Hetres (blood on the grips, blood on the
pedals) and the BikePortland journalist asked him "do you know who's
behind you?" and he said, "uh... everybody?" I knew he was right. The
Hetres certainly didn't slow him down.

 Philip

 Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com


On Feb 25, 11:56 am, William  wrote:
> Pete
>
> I'm a scientist and an engineer, by profession and by DNA.  I'm wired
> to be curious.  I'm wired to tinker and to question.  I'm not obsessed
> with increasing speed, nor am I obsessed to get the ride over with.
> On brevets, when you ride fat 650B tires, you'll get a number of
> people on 700c road bikes ask you "Why would you want to slow yourself
> down like that?"  They just assume that my 584x41s are absolute pigs.
> I've never been more comfortable on a performance bike than I am on my
> Hilsen with fat 584s.  At the end of a 10 hour day, my back, rear end,
> arms shoulders, hands and feet all feel great.  Once my legs catch up
> I have no doubts that my body could handle the longer events.  Having
> found a new plateau in comfort, now I want to test the assertion that
> my fat 650B tires are actually significantly FASTER than 700x28s.
> It's hard for me to believe it, so I need to see it for myself.  What
> I know is that my Hilsen feels much faster than my Hillborne, even
> though it has much fatter tires (650x41 vs 700x33).  That equation has
> too many variables for sure.
>
> It would be fascinating to me to find that the more comfortable tire
> choice is also the faster tire choice.  I don't know if that's what
> I'll find.  I expect that the data will be inconclusive, too close to
> call.  For sure I expect I'll continue using fat 650Bs for all my long
> distance events.  The comfort is way too much for me to pass up.  A
> lot of comfort is bike fit, though, and the 700x28 wheels won't change
> any of my fit points on the bike, so maybe I'll feel just as good.
> Who knows?  Curious folks like me think this way.
>
> Speaking of curious people being wired differently...If you really
> want to blow your mind, ask Grant what the perfect rim diameter is.
> He has an answer that he will defend emphatically and his perfect size
> rim has never been produced.  So, don't misconstrue Grant's 'enjoy the
> ride' rhetoric to suggest that Grant doesn't sweat the details on
> bikes.  He's one hundred times more technically nitpicky than me, and
> I think that's a very good thing, and one of the myriad reasons I like
> buying Rivendells.
>
> On Feb 25, 11:34 am, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
> > Very cool idea to have one bike that works for both sizes, and a
> > stroke of minor genius to think of up-sizing the 650B bike, rather
> > than down-sizing a 700. I was hoping I could convert my Sam to 650B,
> > just to see what all the fuss is about, but it only took a few
> > measurements to see that it wouldn't really work.
>
> > I am curious to see your test results, but can't see how they'd be in
> > any way meaningful - jut too many variables.
>
> > I can see how speed matters on a brevet, and to some degree on commute
> > (especially a 35-miler) but I, too, keep coming back to Grant's
> > question (paraphrased): "If we all like riding so much, why are we
> > always in such a hurry to get it over with as fast as possible?"
>
> > On Feb 25, 1:04 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > OK so I made a sort of self-indulgent mod to my A. Homer Hilsen.  I
> > > set up the normally 650B bike with a 700C wheelset and short reach
> > > brakes.  It's a wheelset I already had, and a short-reach brakeset I
> > > already had.  So now I have a single bike that can easily be taken on
> > > a ride with 650Bx(whatever) tires one day, and taken on the same ride
> > > with 700x(23-28) tires the next, or whatever.
>
> > > I bought the bike because of the feel of 650B, and I'm thrilled with
> > > it.  Like most of you, I've been skeptical of the claims from Jan H
> > > and others that fat tires are faster.  That said, on brevets in the
> > > last couple of months, I've been surprised at how quickly I catch and
> > > pass riders on coasting descents when I'm on 650x38 at 50psi and they
> > > are on 700x23 and I presume 90-110psi.  That's anecdotal, and doesn't
> > > necessarily mean anything, but it was surprising.
>
> > > So, now I think it will be fun to do a pseudo-scientific spot
> > > comparison between 650B and 700C.  My commute to work is a 35-mile
> > > hilly ride through the east bay hills from El Cerrito to South
> > > Hayward.  A good chunk of that is a non-stop stretch.  I can usually
> > > get from my front door to a traffic signal in front of Castro Valley
> > > High School without stopping or putting my foot down.  The next 10
> > > times

[RBW] Re: Andy Hampsten and Fat Tires. Sorta, kinda, probably and possibly off-topic but not really...

[Philip Williamson]

I didn't understand the question, either.

 Philip

 Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com

On Feb 25, 6:50 pm, omnigrid  wrote:
> you're into bicycles, right? hell yeah it's worth $22 bucks.
>
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 8:17 PM, SFF  wrote:
> > I was thinking about riding the Quickbeam to Austin on Sunday to catch
> > the last day of the show. Is it worth it? $22 to get in - anything
> > Rivy at the show?
>
> > Joel
>
> > On Feb 25, 7:47 pm, Cycletex  wrote:
> > > I overheard Andy Hampsten today at NAHBS say to someone, "Well, you
> > > wouldn't put skinny tires on a race car now would you?"
>
> > > As many of you know, he mounts Jack Browns on some of his bikes so not
> > > really off topic by much.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Andy Hampsten and Fat Tires. Sorta, kinda, probably and possibly off-topic but not really...

[omnigrid]

you're into bicycles, right? hell yeah it's worth $22 bucks.

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 8:17 PM, SFF  wrote:

> I was thinking about riding the Quickbeam to Austin on Sunday to catch
> the last day of the show. Is it worth it? $22 to get in - anything
> Rivy at the show?
>
> Joel
>
> On Feb 25, 7:47 pm, Cycletex  wrote:
> > I overheard Andy Hampsten today at NAHBS say to someone, "Well, you
> > wouldn't put skinny tires on a race car now would you?"
> >
> > As many of you know, he mounts Jack Browns on some of his bikes so not
> > really off topic by much.
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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy build

[Powderpiggy]

So can Yves join the flickr group too??

http://www.flickr.com/photos/54500043@N05/5477629930/


On Feb 25, 2:33 am, Marty  wrote:
> Betty deserves a Flickr Group of her very own.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/groups/bettyfoy/
>
> Let's see 'em!
>
> On Feb 24, 1:16 pm, Bill  wrote:
>
> > On Feb 24, 10:55 am, Minh  wrote:
> > ...
>
> > > only thing i'd consider is maybe a painted color-matched chain
> > > guard.
>
> > 
>
> > Even better: a chain guard made out of the same wood as the fenders,
> > including the light double stripe.
>
> > It's certainly a fantastic build nonetheless.
>
> > Bill

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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy build

[Jon Jandoc]

It got a lot of comments at CicLAvia (and most all the time), though
interestingly the Big Dummy I was riding that day got even more. The
wife was a bit envious of the attention.

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 3:54 PM, grrlyrida  wrote:
> Betty's color is beautiful and a perfect bike for ciclavia. I was
> hoping to have my Betty by the next Ciclavia but I won't have it by
> April,
>
> Ness
>
> On Feb 24, 2:10 pm, Jon  wrote:
>> Well, I suppose I need to join in on the fun. Here's my wife's Betty
>> Foy. Apologies for the non-driveside pic.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/docj/5074065124/
>>
>> On Feb 24, 7:55 am, Minh  wrote:
>>
>> > Wow, this is a great looking bike, my only (minor) changed would've
>> > been top mount shifters, the bar end ones kind-of stand out to me.
>> > those fenders look great, i've always wondered how well those age
>> > though.
>>
>> > only thing i'd consider is maybe a painted color-matched chain
>> > guard.
>>
>> > i've looked at this gallery a couple of times, wish i had a reason to
>> > build a mixte or the room :)
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Blue?

[lmc]

I just looked through a Rivendell custom frame brochure from
2001 or so, and it lists the light blue as DuPont Imron 5056.
Maybe that brochure can be found as a scan somewhere at:
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/index.html
/Lars

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[RBW] Re: Introduction to Bike Touring course

[Montclair BobbyB]

Would love to, Rene. One day soon perhaps.  I'm takin good care of it,
including the green B17 saddle... It's pure joy.

Peace,
BB

On Feb 25, 10:43 pm, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> Steve, great tip on the pants! I just ordered a pair to try them out.
>
> Kavalk, thanks for the tips and the stories, I'm really looking forward to 
> sharing mine.
>
> Bobby, why don't you join me so I can say hi to my ex-Bomba one more time!!!
>
> René
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Montclair BobbyB  
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm jealous...
>
> > On Feb 25, 6:29 pm, kavalk  wrote:
> >> Rene,
> >> I did two cross country trips ... 1978 and 1979 ... at the age of 19
> >> and 20.
> >> I am sure you will get all the assistance you need "gear wise" from
> >> others on the board.  I used the Grand Tour Kirkland rear panniers and
> >> a Kirkland handlebar bag.  If I had the chance to do the trip again, I
> >> would
> >> stay with the rear panniers and go to a low rider front rack and some
> >> version of front panniers.  I would likely go to a smaller handlebar
> >> bag.
> >> If you are only out for a limited number of days, keep your load light
> >> and make notes for adjustments for the next tour.  I started my first
> >> trip
> >> with 60 pounds of gear and finished the second cross tour with 30
> >> pounds!
> >> The number of riders and the level of comraderie you share can help
> >> you
> >> eliminate duplicate items.  We reduced the number of tents, cooking
> >> kits
> >> and tools.
> >> I think the greatest learning experience I had was with the
> >> interpersonal
> >> relationships I had with total strangers on my first tour and just as
> >> interestingly, the stresses and strains to a life long relationship I
> >> had
> >> on my second tour.  The physical views riding cross country were
> >> great,
> >> but the relationships I "rode" away with are even better.
> >> Let us know how things work out.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction to Bike Touring course

[Rene Sterental]

Steve, great tip on the pants! I just ordered a pair to try them out. 

Kavalk, thanks for the tips and the stories, I'm really looking forward to 
sharing mine.

Bobby, why don't you join me so I can say hi to my ex-Bomba one more time!!!

René

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 25, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Montclair BobbyB  wrote:

> I'm jealous...
> 
> On Feb 25, 6:29 pm, kavalk  wrote:
>> Rene,
>> I did two cross country trips ... 1978 and 1979 ... at the age of 19
>> and 20.
>> I am sure you will get all the assistance you need "gear wise" from
>> others on the board.  I used the Grand Tour Kirkland rear panniers and
>> a Kirkland handlebar bag.  If I had the chance to do the trip again, I
>> would
>> stay with the rear panniers and go to a low rider front rack and some
>> version of front panniers.  I would likely go to a smaller handlebar
>> bag.
>> If you are only out for a limited number of days, keep your load light
>> and make notes for adjustments for the next tour.  I started my first
>> trip
>> with 60 pounds of gear and finished the second cross tour with 30
>> pounds!
>> The number of riders and the level of comraderie you share can help
>> you
>> eliminate duplicate items.  We reduced the number of tents, cooking
>> kits
>> and tools.
>> I think the greatest learning experience I had was with the
>> interpersonal
>> relationships I had with total strangers on my first tour and just as
>> interestingly, the stresses and strains to a life long relationship I
>> had
>> on my second tour.  The physical views riding cross country were
>> great,
>> but the relationships I "rode" away with are even better.
>> Let us know how things work out.
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Blue?

[All Rounder 2000]

I investigated this in detail last year,
DuPont 5056
is said to be the match.
I ordered a bike from Bilenky with this paint in Oct 2009, and am
still waiting for the bike,
so I can't say for certain, but I believe that it is a match for
classic "sky blue" that Grant once said was the paint that he would
choose for all Rivs
if he had to choose but one.
Hope this helps, S

On Feb 25, 3:12 pm, kps  wrote:
> does anyone know the Imron number of the "Rivendell Blue" color that
> so many Riv Road bikes were painted for a while?  that blue-ish color
> with a hint of something on the teal side?  (i'm assuming it's an
> Imron color, as these frames were often painted by Joe Bell and he
> uses Imron paints.)   if you know the official number of that color,
> i'd be grateful to knowthanks!  kps

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[RBW] Re: Andy Hampsten and Fat Tires. Sorta, kinda, probably and possibly off-topic but not really...

[brian feltovich]

I think it's worth a visit. Some very Rivy bikes here. Lots of racks and lights 
and fenders and other signs of "sensible" biking. Leather and steel and canvas 
abound. Trendy stuff too: belt drives and internally geared hubs and stainless 
tubing and bamboo! Some stuff was gaudy and silly: steel painted to look like 
bamboo, mother of pearl inlays, giant crystal headbadges, wacky look-at-me 
paint jobs, etc. 
Sign of the apocalypse: I tried the electronic shift system from Shimano (Di2) 
and...it's pretty cool. I'm not stripping out my barcons and ponying up 4 
grand, but I was impressed with how solid and responsive the system feels. 

Brian
Temporarily in Austin

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[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

[William]

Triangia!

http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/trangia-cooksets-big-and-smaller/52-049


On Feb 25, 5:32 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> On topic:  Tagua nuts!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:31 PM, William  wrote:
> > Tarantulas.
>
> > On Feb 25, 12:20 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> > wrote:
> > > textiles?
>
> > > On Feb 25, 12:13 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > > > Dang, Bill you are driving me down the road to ruin. All this talk
> > > > about Hetres being faster/smoother/better is making me want a 650B
> > > > bike even more.
> > > > After convincing my SO that I was not fickle and I could keep a bike
> > > > for at least a few years, I'm seriously contemplating some 650B
> > > > experiments of my own. (Must be that Engineer/Scientist brain
> > > > phenomenon).
>
> > > > At least you didn't mention the T word!
>
> > > > ~Mike
>
> > > > On Feb 25, 12:02 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > > > > On my own I don't care how fast I go. My goal is to enjoy the
> > > > > outdoors, exercise my body or to get somewhere. When I ride with
> > > > > others I want to go fast enough to stay with the group, or perhaps
> > > > > meet some time limit in an organized ride.
> > > > > And I still enjoy pushing my body and going fast, sometimes (actually
> > > > > most of the time)
> > > > > It also means I can cover a greater distance and see more.
>
> > > > > I don't see those as bad things. Each person has their own personal
> > > > > goals and preferences.  If I'm happy with mine than it doesn't matter
> > > > > what others think
>
> > > > > ~Mike
>
> > > > > On Feb 25, 11:34 am, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
> > > > > > Very cool idea to have one bike that works for both sizes, and a
> > > > > > stroke of minor genius to think of up-sizing the 650B bike, rather
> > > > > > than down-sizing a 700. I was hoping I could convert my Sam to
> > 650B,
> > > > > > just to see what all the fuss is about, but it only took a few
> > > > > > measurements to see that it wouldn't really work.
>
> > > > > > I am curious to see your test results, but can't see how they'd be
> > in
> > > > > > any way meaningful - jut too many variables.
>
> > > > > > I can see how speed matters on a brevet, and to some degree on
> > commute
> > > > > > (especially a 35-miler) but I, too, keep coming back to Grant's
> > > > > > question (paraphrased): "If we all like riding so much, why are we
> > > > > > always in such a hurry to get it over with as fast as possible?"
>
> > > > > > On Feb 25, 1:04 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > > > > > OK so I made a sort of self-indulgent mod to my A. Homer Hilsen.
> >  I
> > > > > > > set up the normally 650B bike with a 700C wheelset and short
> > reach
> > > > > > > brakes.  It's a wheelset I already had, and a short-reach
> > brakeset I
> > > > > > > already had.  So now I have a single bike that can easily be
> > taken on
> > > > > > > a ride with 650Bx(whatever) tires one day, and taken on the same
> > ride
> > > > > > > with 700x(23-28) tires the next, or whatever.
>
> > > > > > > I bought the bike because of the feel of 650B, and I'm thrilled
> > with
> > > > > > > it.  Like most of you, I've been skeptical of the claims from Jan
> > H
> > > > > > > and others that fat tires are faster.  That said, on brevets in
> > the
> > > > > > > last couple of months, I've been surprised at how quickly I catch
> > and
> > > > > > > pass riders on coasting descents when I'm on 650x38 at 50psi and
> > they
> > > > > > > are on 700x23 and I presume 90-110psi.  That's anecdotal, and
> > doesn't
> > > > > > > necessarily mean anything, but it was surprising.
>
> > > > > > > So, now I think it will be fun to do a pseudo-scientific spot
> > > > > > > comparison between 650B and 700C.  My commute to work is a
> > 35-mile
> > > > > > > hilly ride through the east bay hills from El Cerrito to South
> > > > > > > Hayward.  A good chunk of that is a non-stop stretch.  I can
> > usually
> > > > > > > get from my front door to a traffic signal in front of Castro
> > Valley
> > > > > > > High School without stopping or putting my foot down.  The next
> > 10
> > > > > > > times I do this commute, I'm going to alternate between the two
> > > > > > > wheelsets, and record my time for the same non-stop stretch for
> > these
> > > > > > > ten rides.  The 650B tires will be hetres at 50/45psi, and the
> > 700C
> > > > > > > tires will be continental gatorskin 28s at 85/80psi.
>
> > > > > > > Anyone care to guess which will seem faster?  Too close to call?
> > > > > > > Impossible to test unless the rider is blind to the wheel
> > > > > > > configuration?  Any advice on keeping the data clean?- Hide
> > quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
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[RBW] Re: SKS Longboard Fenders Atlantis?

[Mike]

I say tan. That's great that they're available. I bet those will be a
big sellare here in Portland. They sure make sense.

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[RBW] Re: Andy Hampsten and Fat Tires. Sorta, kinda, probably and possibly off-topic but not really...

[SFF]

I was thinking about riding the Quickbeam to Austin on Sunday to catch
the last day of the show. Is it worth it? $22 to get in - anything
Rivy at the show?

Joel

On Feb 25, 7:47 pm, Cycletex  wrote:
> I overheard Andy Hampsten today at NAHBS say to someone, "Well, you
> wouldn't put skinny tires on a race car now would you?"
>
> As many of you know, he mounts Jack Browns on some of his bikes so not
> really off topic by much.

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[RBW] Andy Hampsten and Fat Tires. Sorta, kinda, probably and possibly off-topic but not really...

[Cycletex]

I overheard Andy Hampsten today at NAHBS say to someone, "Well, you
wouldn't put skinny tires on a race car now would you?"

As many of you know, he mounts Jack Browns on some of his bikes so not
really off topic by much.

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Re: [RBW] Re: SKS Longboard Fenders Atlantis?

[carnerdavid]

I ordered some from RBW yesterday. Not where I can check now, but they were on 
the website last night.
David
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Subject: [RBW] Re: SKS Longboard Fenders Atlantis?

By tan do you mean the cream color that the Grilver Hillborne
sported?  I'd vote for that on any bike with a cream headtube.  Riv
will most certainly have them to sell you pretty soon.

On Feb 25, 4:41 pm, Mitch Browne  wrote:
> I saw a set of these fenders on a display bike at RBWHQ during the
> recent garage sale and really liked the look.
>
> They're not for sale on Riv's site yet but Harris Cyclery and others
> have them.
>
> Which color would go best with the stock Russian submarine blue /
> green Atlantis paint?
>
> Silver or Tan?
>
> Mitch - San Luis Obispo, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

[cyclotourist]

On topic:  Tagua nuts!

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:31 PM, William  wrote:

> Tarantulas.
>
> On Feb 25, 12:20 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> wrote:
> > textiles?
> >
> > On Feb 25, 12:13 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Dang, Bill you are driving me down the road to ruin. All this talk
> > > about Hetres being faster/smoother/better is making me want a 650B
> > > bike even more.
> > > After convincing my SO that I was not fickle and I could keep a bike
> > > for at least a few years, I'm seriously contemplating some 650B
> > > experiments of my own. (Must be that Engineer/Scientist brain
> > > phenomenon).
> >
> > > At least you didn't mention the T word!
> >
> > > ~Mike
> >
> > > On Feb 25, 12:02 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
> >
> > > > On my own I don't care how fast I go. My goal is to enjoy the
> > > > outdoors, exercise my body or to get somewhere. When I ride with
> > > > others I want to go fast enough to stay with the group, or perhaps
> > > > meet some time limit in an organized ride.
> > > > And I still enjoy pushing my body and going fast, sometimes (actually
> > > > most of the time)
> > > > It also means I can cover a greater distance and see more.
> >
> > > > I don't see those as bad things. Each person has their own personal
> > > > goals and preferences.  If I'm happy with mine than it doesn't matter
> > > > what others think
> >
> > > > ~Mike
> >
> > > > On Feb 25, 11:34 am, Peter Pesce  wrote:
> >
> > > > > Very cool idea to have one bike that works for both sizes, and a
> > > > > stroke of minor genius to think of up-sizing the 650B bike, rather
> > > > > than down-sizing a 700. I was hoping I could convert my Sam to
> 650B,
> > > > > just to see what all the fuss is about, but it only took a few
> > > > > measurements to see that it wouldn't really work.
> >
> > > > > I am curious to see your test results, but can't see how they'd be
> in
> > > > > any way meaningful - jut too many variables.
> >
> > > > > I can see how speed matters on a brevet, and to some degree on
> commute
> > > > > (especially a 35-miler) but I, too, keep coming back to Grant's
> > > > > question (paraphrased): "If we all like riding so much, why are we
> > > > > always in such a hurry to get it over with as fast as possible?"
> >
> > > > > On Feb 25, 1:04 pm, William  wrote:
> >
> > > > > > OK so I made a sort of self-indulgent mod to my A. Homer Hilsen.
>  I
> > > > > > set up the normally 650B bike with a 700C wheelset and short
> reach
> > > > > > brakes.  It's a wheelset I already had, and a short-reach
> brakeset I
> > > > > > already had.  So now I have a single bike that can easily be
> taken on
> > > > > > a ride with 650Bx(whatever) tires one day, and taken on the same
> ride
> > > > > > with 700x(23-28) tires the next, or whatever.
> >
> > > > > > I bought the bike because of the feel of 650B, and I'm thrilled
> with
> > > > > > it.  Like most of you, I've been skeptical of the claims from Jan
> H
> > > > > > and others that fat tires are faster.  That said, on brevets in
> the
> > > > > > last couple of months, I've been surprised at how quickly I catch
> and
> > > > > > pass riders on coasting descents when I'm on 650x38 at 50psi and
> they
> > > > > > are on 700x23 and I presume 90-110psi.  That's anecdotal, and
> doesn't
> > > > > > necessarily mean anything, but it was surprising.
> >
> > > > > > So, now I think it will be fun to do a pseudo-scientific spot
> > > > > > comparison between 650B and 700C.  My commute to work is a
> 35-mile
> > > > > > hilly ride through the east bay hills from El Cerrito to South
> > > > > > Hayward.  A good chunk of that is a non-stop stretch.  I can
> usually
> > > > > > get from my front door to a traffic signal in front of Castro
> Valley
> > > > > > High School without stopping or putting my foot down.  The next
> 10
> > > > > > times I do this commute, I'm going to alternate between the two
> > > > > > wheelsets, and record my time for the same non-stop stretch for
> these
> > > > > > ten rides.  The 650B tires will be hetres at 50/45psi, and the
> 700C
> > > > > > tires will be continental gatorskin 28s at 85/80psi.
> >
> > > > > > Anyone care to guess which will seem faster?  Too close to call?
> > > > > > Impossible to test unless the rider is blind to the wheel
> > > > > > configuration?  Any advice on keeping the data clean?- Hide
> quoted text -
> >
> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
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[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

[William]

Pete

I didn't detect any dismissiveness or contentiousness in your post
above, nor did I intend any defensiveness in my reply, so it's me who
should apologize if you got that from my reply.  I appreciated your
post.

On Feb 25, 5:05 pm, Peter Pesce  wrote:
> William
> Apologies. I didn't intent my tone to be dismissive or in any way
> contentious.
> I think it's an interesting experiment and tried to specifically cite
> how speed could really matter in your brevet riding and commute. So I
> understand it matters to you more than it may to me. I'm really not a
> sensitive or experienced enough rider that I think I could tell much
> difference between any two tires.
> I also paraphrased Grant as much out of "bemusement" as anything else.
> I'm sure he sweats the details ( though I'm not sure that sweating
> details and fretting about speed are the same thing)
> In any case, in look forward to the results, though I fear they will
> only stoke my 650b curiosities further.
> Pete
>
> On Feb 25, 2:56 pm, William  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Pete
>
> > I'm a scientist and an engineer, by profession and by DNA.  I'm wired
> > to be curious.  I'm wired to tinker and to question.  I'm not obsessed
> > with increasing speed, nor am I obsessed to get the ride over with.
> > On brevets, when you ride fat 650B tires, you'll get a number of
> > people on 700c road bikes ask you "Why would you want to slow yourself
> > down like that?"  They just assume that my 584x41s are absolute pigs.
> > I've never been more comfortable on a performance bike than I am on my
> > Hilsen with fat 584s.  At the end of a 10 hour day, my back, rear end,
> > arms shoulders, hands and feet all feel great.  Once my legs catch up
> > I have no doubts that my body could handle the longer events.  Having
> > found a new plateau in comfort, now I want to test the assertion that
> > my fat 650B tires are actually significantly FASTER than 700x28s.
> > It's hard for me to believe it, so I need to see it for myself.  What
> > I know is that my Hilsen feels much faster than my Hillborne, even
> > though it has much fatter tires (650x41 vs 700x33).  That equation has
> > too many variables for sure.
>
> > It would be fascinating to me to find that the more comfortable tire
> > choice is also the faster tire choice.  I don't know if that's what
> > I'll find.  I expect that the data will be inconclusive, too close to
> > call.  For sure I expect I'll continue using fat 650Bs for all my long
> > distance events.  The comfort is way too much for me to pass up.  A
> > lot of comfort is bike fit, though, and the 700x28 wheels won't change
> > any of my fit points on the bike, so maybe I'll feel just as good.
> > Who knows?  Curious folks like me think this way.
>
> > Speaking of curious people being wired differently...If you really
> > want to blow your mind, ask Grant what the perfect rim diameter is.
> > He has an answer that he will defend emphatically and his perfect size
> > rim has never been produced.  So, don't misconstrue Grant's 'enjoy the
> > ride' rhetoric to suggest that Grant doesn't sweat the details on
> > bikes.  He's one hundred times more technically nitpicky than me, and
> > I think that's a very good thing, and one of the myriad reasons I like
> > buying Rivendells.
>
> > On Feb 25, 11:34 am, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
> > > Very cool idea to have one bike that works for both sizes, and a
> > > stroke of minor genius to think of up-sizing the 650B bike, rather
> > > than down-sizing a 700. I was hoping I could convert my Sam to 650B,
> > > just to see what all the fuss is about, but it only took a few
> > > measurements to see that it wouldn't really work.
>
> > > I am curious to see your test results, but can't see how they'd be in
> > > any way meaningful - jut too many variables.
>
> > > I can see how speed matters on a brevet, and to some degree on commute
> > > (especially a 35-miler) but I, too, keep coming back to Grant's
> > > question (paraphrased): "If we all like riding so much, why are we
> > > always in such a hurry to get it over with as fast as possible?"
>
> > > On Feb 25, 1:04 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > > OK so I made a sort of self-indulgent mod to my A. Homer Hilsen.  I
> > > > set up the normally 650B bike with a 700C wheelset and short reach
> > > > brakes.  It's a wheelset I already had, and a short-reach brakeset I
> > > > already had.  So now I have a single bike that can easily be taken on
> > > > a ride with 650Bx(whatever) tires one day, and taken on the same ride
> > > > with 700x(23-28) tires the next, or whatever.
>
> > > > I bought the bike because of the feel of 650B, and I'm thrilled with
> > > > it.  Like most of you, I've been skeptical of the claims from Jan H
> > > > and others that fat tires are faster.  That said, on brevets in the
> > > > last couple of months, I've been surprised at how quickly I catch and
> > > > pass riders on coasting descents when I'm on 650x38 at 50psi and they
> > > > are on 700

[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

[Peter Pesce]

William
Apologies. I didn't intent my tone to be dismissive or in any way
contentious.
I think it's an interesting experiment and tried to specifically cite
how speed could really matter in your brevet riding and commute. So I
understand it matters to you more than it may to me. I'm really not a
sensitive or experienced enough rider that I think I could tell much
difference between any two tires.
I also paraphrased Grant as much out of "bemusement" as anything else.
I'm sure he sweats the details ( though I'm not sure that sweating
details and fretting about speed are the same thing)
In any case, in look forward to the results, though I fear they will
only stoke my 650b curiosities further.
Pete

On Feb 25, 2:56 pm, William  wrote:
> Pete
>
> I'm a scientist and an engineer, by profession and by DNA.  I'm wired
> to be curious.  I'm wired to tinker and to question.  I'm not obsessed
> with increasing speed, nor am I obsessed to get the ride over with.
> On brevets, when you ride fat 650B tires, you'll get a number of
> people on 700c road bikes ask you "Why would you want to slow yourself
> down like that?"  They just assume that my 584x41s are absolute pigs.
> I've never been more comfortable on a performance bike than I am on my
> Hilsen with fat 584s.  At the end of a 10 hour day, my back, rear end,
> arms shoulders, hands and feet all feel great.  Once my legs catch up
> I have no doubts that my body could handle the longer events.  Having
> found a new plateau in comfort, now I want to test the assertion that
> my fat 650B tires are actually significantly FASTER than 700x28s.
> It's hard for me to believe it, so I need to see it for myself.  What
> I know is that my Hilsen feels much faster than my Hillborne, even
> though it has much fatter tires (650x41 vs 700x33).  That equation has
> too many variables for sure.
>
> It would be fascinating to me to find that the more comfortable tire
> choice is also the faster tire choice.  I don't know if that's what
> I'll find.  I expect that the data will be inconclusive, too close to
> call.  For sure I expect I'll continue using fat 650Bs for all my long
> distance events.  The comfort is way too much for me to pass up.  A
> lot of comfort is bike fit, though, and the 700x28 wheels won't change
> any of my fit points on the bike, so maybe I'll feel just as good.
> Who knows?  Curious folks like me think this way.
>
> Speaking of curious people being wired differently...If you really
> want to blow your mind, ask Grant what the perfect rim diameter is.
> He has an answer that he will defend emphatically and his perfect size
> rim has never been produced.  So, don't misconstrue Grant's 'enjoy the
> ride' rhetoric to suggest that Grant doesn't sweat the details on
> bikes.  He's one hundred times more technically nitpicky than me, and
> I think that's a very good thing, and one of the myriad reasons I like
> buying Rivendells.
>
> On Feb 25, 11:34 am, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Very cool idea to have one bike that works for both sizes, and a
> > stroke of minor genius to think of up-sizing the 650B bike, rather
> > than down-sizing a 700. I was hoping I could convert my Sam to 650B,
> > just to see what all the fuss is about, but it only took a few
> > measurements to see that it wouldn't really work.
>
> > I am curious to see your test results, but can't see how they'd be in
> > any way meaningful - jut too many variables.
>
> > I can see how speed matters on a brevet, and to some degree on commute
> > (especially a 35-miler) but I, too, keep coming back to Grant's
> > question (paraphrased): "If we all like riding so much, why are we
> > always in such a hurry to get it over with as fast as possible?"
>
> > On Feb 25, 1:04 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > OK so I made a sort of self-indulgent mod to my A. Homer Hilsen.  I
> > > set up the normally 650B bike with a 700C wheelset and short reach
> > > brakes.  It's a wheelset I already had, and a short-reach brakeset I
> > > already had.  So now I have a single bike that can easily be taken on
> > > a ride with 650Bx(whatever) tires one day, and taken on the same ride
> > > with 700x(23-28) tires the next, or whatever.
>
> > > I bought the bike because of the feel of 650B, and I'm thrilled with
> > > it.  Like most of you, I've been skeptical of the claims from Jan H
> > > and others that fat tires are faster.  That said, on brevets in the
> > > last couple of months, I've been surprised at how quickly I catch and
> > > pass riders on coasting descents when I'm on 650x38 at 50psi and they
> > > are on 700x23 and I presume 90-110psi.  That's anecdotal, and doesn't
> > > necessarily mean anything, but it was surprising.
>
> > > So, now I think it will be fun to do a pseudo-scientific spot
> > > comparison between 650B and 700C.  My commute to work is a 35-mile
> > > hilly ride through the east bay hills from El Cerrito to South
> > > Hayward.  A good chunk of that is a non-stop stretch.  I can usually
> > > get fr

[RBW] Re: SKS Longboard Fenders Atlantis?

[William]

By tan do you mean the cream color that the Grilver Hillborne
sported?  I'd vote for that on any bike with a cream headtube.  Riv
will most certainly have them to sell you pretty soon.

On Feb 25, 4:41 pm, Mitch Browne  wrote:
> I saw a set of these fenders on a display bike at RBWHQ during the
> recent garage sale and really liked the look.
>
> They're not for sale on Riv's site yet but Harris Cyclery and others
> have them.
>
> Which color would go best with the stock Russian submarine blue /
> green Atlantis paint?
>
> Silver or Tan?
>
> Mitch - San Luis Obispo, CA

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[RBW] SKS Longboard Fenders Atlantis?

[Mitch Browne]

I saw a set of these fenders on a display bike at RBWHQ during the
recent garage sale and really liked the look.

They're not for sale on Riv's site yet but Harris Cyclery and others
have them.

Which color would go best with the stock Russian submarine blue /
green Atlantis paint?

Silver or Tan?

Mitch - San Luis Obispo, CA

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[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

[doug peterson]

My guess is the 700s will seem faster but the 650s will actually be
quicker.  The difficulty will be that you know which set's on the
bike.  I can't imagine there being a significant difference in speed
but I can see how you could detect a significant difference in
comfort.  I think the comfort-being-faster thing kicks in when you're
on the bike for hours and won't come into play on your daily commute.
It'll be interesting to see the actual results.

dougP

On Feb 25, 10:04 am, William  wrote:
> OK so I made a sort of self-indulgent mod to my A. Homer Hilsen.  I
> set up the normally 650B bike with a 700C wheelset and short reach
> brakes.  It's a wheelset I already had, and a short-reach brakeset I
> already had.  So now I have a single bike that can easily be taken on
> a ride with 650Bx(whatever) tires one day, and taken on the same ride
> with 700x(23-28) tires the next, or whatever.
>
> I bought the bike because of the feel of 650B, and I'm thrilled with
> it.  Like most of you, I've been skeptical of the claims from Jan H
> and others that fat tires are faster.  That said, on brevets in the
> last couple of months, I've been surprised at how quickly I catch and
> pass riders on coasting descents when I'm on 650x38 at 50psi and they
> are on 700x23 and I presume 90-110psi.  That's anecdotal, and doesn't
> necessarily mean anything, but it was surprising.
>
> So, now I think it will be fun to do a pseudo-scientific spot
> comparison between 650B and 700C.  My commute to work is a 35-mile
> hilly ride through the east bay hills from El Cerrito to South
> Hayward.  A good chunk of that is a non-stop stretch.  I can usually
> get from my front door to a traffic signal in front of Castro Valley
> High School without stopping or putting my foot down.  The next 10
> times I do this commute, I'm going to alternate between the two
> wheelsets, and record my time for the same non-stop stretch for these
> ten rides.  The 650B tires will be hetres at 50/45psi, and the 700C
> tires will be continental gatorskin 28s at 85/80psi.
>
> Anyone care to guess which will seem faster?  Too close to call?
> Impossible to test unless the rider is blind to the wheel
> configuration?  Any advice on keeping the data clean?

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy build

[grrlyrida]

Betty's color is beautiful and a perfect bike for ciclavia. I was
hoping to have my Betty by the next Ciclavia but I won't have it by
April,

Ness

On Feb 24, 2:10 pm, Jon  wrote:
> Well, I suppose I need to join in on the fun. Here's my wife's Betty
> Foy. Apologies for the non-driveside pic.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/docj/5074065124/
>
> On Feb 24, 7:55 am, Minh  wrote:
>
> > Wow, this is a great looking bike, my only (minor) changed would've
> > been top mount shifters, the bar end ones kind-of stand out to me.
> > those fenders look great, i've always wondered how well those age
> > though.
>
> > only thing i'd consider is maybe a painted color-matched chain
> > guard.
>
> > i've looked at this gallery a couple of times, wish i had a reason to
> > build a mixte or the room :)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Introduction to Bike Touring course

[Montclair BobbyB]

I'm jealous...

On Feb 25, 6:29 pm, kavalk  wrote:
> Rene,
> I did two cross country trips ... 1978 and 1979 ... at the age of 19
> and 20.
> I am sure you will get all the assistance you need "gear wise" from
> others on the board.  I used the Grand Tour Kirkland rear panniers and
> a Kirkland handlebar bag.  If I had the chance to do the trip again, I
> would
> stay with the rear panniers and go to a low rider front rack and some
> version of front panniers.  I would likely go to a smaller handlebar
> bag.
> If you are only out for a limited number of days, keep your load light
> and make notes for adjustments for the next tour.  I started my first
> trip
> with 60 pounds of gear and finished the second cross tour with 30
> pounds!
> The number of riders and the level of comraderie you share can help
> you
> eliminate duplicate items.  We reduced the number of tents, cooking
> kits
> and tools.
> I think the greatest learning experience I had was with the
> interpersonal
> relationships I had with total strangers on my first tour and just as
> interestingly, the stresses and strains to a life long relationship I
> had
> on my second tour.  The physical views riding cross country were
> great,
> but the relationships I "rode" away with are even better.
> Let us know how things work out.

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[RBW] Re: Introduction to Bike Touring course

[kavalk]

Rene,
I did two cross country trips ... 1978 and 1979 ... at the age of 19
and 20.
I am sure you will get all the assistance you need "gear wise" from
others on the board.  I used the Grand Tour Kirkland rear panniers and
a Kirkland handlebar bag.  If I had the chance to do the trip again, I
would
stay with the rear panniers and go to a low rider front rack and some
version of front panniers.  I would likely go to a smaller handlebar
bag.
If you are only out for a limited number of days, keep your load light
and make notes for adjustments for the next tour.  I started my first
trip
with 60 pounds of gear and finished the second cross tour with 30
pounds!
The number of riders and the level of comraderie you share can help
you
eliminate duplicate items.  We reduced the number of tents, cooking
kits
and tools.
I think the greatest learning experience I had was with the
interpersonal
relationships I had with total strangers on my first tour and just as
interestingly, the stresses and strains to a life long relationship I
had
on my second tour.  The physical views riding cross country were
great,
but the relationships I "rode" away with are even better.
Let us know how things work out.

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[RBW] Rivendell Blue?

[kps]

does anyone know the Imron number of the "Rivendell Blue" color that
so many Riv Road bikes were painted for a while?  that blue-ish color
with a hint of something on the teal side?  (i'm assuming it's an
Imron color, as these frames were often painted by Joe Bell and he
uses Imron paints.)   if you know the official number of that color,
i'd be grateful to knowthanks!  kps

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy build

[Leslie]

Isn't the 'new' Bombadil really a mixte with a top tube?


On Feb 25, 10:23 am, Montclair BobbyB 
wrote:
> I wish we'd see more Yves Gomez's out there, and I don't understand
> why the Gomez isn't offered in a larger frame (like the 62cm /700c
> available in the Betty Foy)... I love Betty, don't get me wrong. But
> being of "Bombadil-size" the question that has been brewing in my
> head: Will we ever see a Bombadil or Hunqapillar mixte?  That is, a
> fat-tired, canti-posted heavier duty mixte in larger (700c) sizes? Now
> THAT would be some bike. I also have to put in a plug for the
> Glorious, which I've only seen in pictures, but wears the name well
> and indeed does have glorious details...
>
> Bobby "just dreamin" Birmingham
>
> On Feb 25, 5:33 am, Marty  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Betty deserves a Flickr Group of her very own.
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/groups/bettyfoy/
>
> > Let's see 'em!
>
> > On Feb 24, 1:16 pm, Bill  wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 24, 10:55 am, Minh  wrote:
> > > ...
>
> > > > only thing i'd consider is maybe a painted color-matched chain
> > > > guard.
>
> > > 
>
> > > Even better: a chain guard made out of the same wood as the fenders,
> > > including the light double stripe.
>
> > > It's certainly a fantastic build nonetheless.
>
> > > Bill- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

[William]

Tarantulas.

On Feb 25, 12:20 pm, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
wrote:
> textiles?
>
> On Feb 25, 12:13 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Dang, Bill you are driving me down the road to ruin. All this talk
> > about Hetres being faster/smoother/better is making me want a 650B
> > bike even more.
> > After convincing my SO that I was not fickle and I could keep a bike
> > for at least a few years, I'm seriously contemplating some 650B
> > experiments of my own. (Must be that Engineer/Scientist brain
> > phenomenon).
>
> > At least you didn't mention the T word!
>
> > ~Mike
>
> > On Feb 25, 12:02 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > > On my own I don't care how fast I go. My goal is to enjoy the
> > > outdoors, exercise my body or to get somewhere. When I ride with
> > > others I want to go fast enough to stay with the group, or perhaps
> > > meet some time limit in an organized ride.
> > > And I still enjoy pushing my body and going fast, sometimes (actually
> > > most of the time)
> > > It also means I can cover a greater distance and see more.
>
> > > I don't see those as bad things. Each person has their own personal
> > > goals and preferences.  If I'm happy with mine than it doesn't matter
> > > what others think
>
> > > ~Mike
>
> > > On Feb 25, 11:34 am, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
> > > > Very cool idea to have one bike that works for both sizes, and a
> > > > stroke of minor genius to think of up-sizing the 650B bike, rather
> > > > than down-sizing a 700. I was hoping I could convert my Sam to 650B,
> > > > just to see what all the fuss is about, but it only took a few
> > > > measurements to see that it wouldn't really work.
>
> > > > I am curious to see your test results, but can't see how they'd be in
> > > > any way meaningful - jut too many variables.
>
> > > > I can see how speed matters on a brevet, and to some degree on commute
> > > > (especially a 35-miler) but I, too, keep coming back to Grant's
> > > > question (paraphrased): "If we all like riding so much, why are we
> > > > always in such a hurry to get it over with as fast as possible?"
>
> > > > On Feb 25, 1:04 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > > > OK so I made a sort of self-indulgent mod to my A. Homer Hilsen.  I
> > > > > set up the normally 650B bike with a 700C wheelset and short reach
> > > > > brakes.  It's a wheelset I already had, and a short-reach brakeset I
> > > > > already had.  So now I have a single bike that can easily be taken on
> > > > > a ride with 650Bx(whatever) tires one day, and taken on the same ride
> > > > > with 700x(23-28) tires the next, or whatever.
>
> > > > > I bought the bike because of the feel of 650B, and I'm thrilled with
> > > > > it.  Like most of you, I've been skeptical of the claims from Jan H
> > > > > and others that fat tires are faster.  That said, on brevets in the
> > > > > last couple of months, I've been surprised at how quickly I catch and
> > > > > pass riders on coasting descents when I'm on 650x38 at 50psi and they
> > > > > are on 700x23 and I presume 90-110psi.  That's anecdotal, and doesn't
> > > > > necessarily mean anything, but it was surprising.
>
> > > > > So, now I think it will be fun to do a pseudo-scientific spot
> > > > > comparison between 650B and 700C.  My commute to work is a 35-mile
> > > > > hilly ride through the east bay hills from El Cerrito to South
> > > > > Hayward.  A good chunk of that is a non-stop stretch.  I can usually
> > > > > get from my front door to a traffic signal in front of Castro Valley
> > > > > High School without stopping or putting my foot down.  The next 10
> > > > > times I do this commute, I'm going to alternate between the two
> > > > > wheelsets, and record my time for the same non-stop stretch for these
> > > > > ten rides.  The 650B tires will be hetres at 50/45psi, and the 700C
> > > > > tires will be continental gatorskin 28s at 85/80psi.
>
> > > > > Anyone care to guess which will seem faster?  Too close to call?
> > > > > Impossible to test unless the rider is blind to the wheel
> > > > > configuration?  Any advice on keeping the data clean?- Hide quoted 
> > > > > text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

textiles?

On Feb 25, 12:13 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
> Dang, Bill you are driving me down the road to ruin. All this talk
> about Hetres being faster/smoother/better is making me want a 650B
> bike even more.
> After convincing my SO that I was not fickle and I could keep a bike
> for at least a few years, I'm seriously contemplating some 650B
> experiments of my own. (Must be that Engineer/Scientist brain
> phenomenon).
>
> At least you didn't mention the T word!
>
> ~Mike
>
> On Feb 25, 12:02 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
>
> > On my own I don't care how fast I go. My goal is to enjoy the
> > outdoors, exercise my body or to get somewhere. When I ride with
> > others I want to go fast enough to stay with the group, or perhaps
> > meet some time limit in an organized ride.
> > And I still enjoy pushing my body and going fast, sometimes (actually
> > most of the time)
> > It also means I can cover a greater distance and see more.
>
> > I don't see those as bad things. Each person has their own personal
> > goals and preferences.  If I'm happy with mine than it doesn't matter
> > what others think
>
> > ~Mike
>
> > On Feb 25, 11:34 am, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
> > > Very cool idea to have one bike that works for both sizes, and a
> > > stroke of minor genius to think of up-sizing the 650B bike, rather
> > > than down-sizing a 700. I was hoping I could convert my Sam to 650B,
> > > just to see what all the fuss is about, but it only took a few
> > > measurements to see that it wouldn't really work.
>
> > > I am curious to see your test results, but can't see how they'd be in
> > > any way meaningful - jut too many variables.
>
> > > I can see how speed matters on a brevet, and to some degree on commute
> > > (especially a 35-miler) but I, too, keep coming back to Grant's
> > > question (paraphrased): "If we all like riding so much, why are we
> > > always in such a hurry to get it over with as fast as possible?"
>
> > > On Feb 25, 1:04 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > > OK so I made a sort of self-indulgent mod to my A. Homer Hilsen.  I
> > > > set up the normally 650B bike with a 700C wheelset and short reach
> > > > brakes.  It's a wheelset I already had, and a short-reach brakeset I
> > > > already had.  So now I have a single bike that can easily be taken on
> > > > a ride with 650Bx(whatever) tires one day, and taken on the same ride
> > > > with 700x(23-28) tires the next, or whatever.
>
> > > > I bought the bike because of the feel of 650B, and I'm thrilled with
> > > > it.  Like most of you, I've been skeptical of the claims from Jan H
> > > > and others that fat tires are faster.  That said, on brevets in the
> > > > last couple of months, I've been surprised at how quickly I catch and
> > > > pass riders on coasting descents when I'm on 650x38 at 50psi and they
> > > > are on 700x23 and I presume 90-110psi.  That's anecdotal, and doesn't
> > > > necessarily mean anything, but it was surprising.
>
> > > > So, now I think it will be fun to do a pseudo-scientific spot
> > > > comparison between 650B and 700C.  My commute to work is a 35-mile
> > > > hilly ride through the east bay hills from El Cerrito to South
> > > > Hayward.  A good chunk of that is a non-stop stretch.  I can usually
> > > > get from my front door to a traffic signal in front of Castro Valley
> > > > High School without stopping or putting my foot down.  The next 10
> > > > times I do this commute, I'm going to alternate between the two
> > > > wheelsets, and record my time for the same non-stop stretch for these
> > > > ten rides.  The 650B tires will be hetres at 50/45psi, and the 700C
> > > > tires will be continental gatorskin 28s at 85/80psi.
>
> > > > Anyone care to guess which will seem faster?  Too close to call?
> > > > Impossible to test unless the rider is blind to the wheel
> > > > configuration?  Any advice on keeping the data clean?- Hide quoted text 
> > > > -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

[Michael_S]

Dang, Bill you are driving me down the road to ruin. All this talk
about Hetres being faster/smoother/better is making me want a 650B
bike even more.
After convincing my SO that I was not fickle and I could keep a bike
for at least a few years, I'm seriously contemplating some 650B
experiments of my own. (Must be that Engineer/Scientist brain
phenomenon).

At least you didn't mention the T word!

~Mike


On Feb 25, 12:02 pm, Michael_S  wrote:
> On my own I don't care how fast I go. My goal is to enjoy the
> outdoors, exercise my body or to get somewhere. When I ride with
> others I want to go fast enough to stay with the group, or perhaps
> meet some time limit in an organized ride.
> And I still enjoy pushing my body and going fast, sometimes (actually
> most of the time)
> It also means I can cover a greater distance and see more.
>
> I don't see those as bad things. Each person has their own personal
> goals and preferences.  If I'm happy with mine than it doesn't matter
> what others think
>
> ~Mike
>
> On Feb 25, 11:34 am, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Very cool idea to have one bike that works for both sizes, and a
> > stroke of minor genius to think of up-sizing the 650B bike, rather
> > than down-sizing a 700. I was hoping I could convert my Sam to 650B,
> > just to see what all the fuss is about, but it only took a few
> > measurements to see that it wouldn't really work.
>
> > I am curious to see your test results, but can't see how they'd be in
> > any way meaningful - jut too many variables.
>
> > I can see how speed matters on a brevet, and to some degree on commute
> > (especially a 35-miler) but I, too, keep coming back to Grant's
> > question (paraphrased): "If we all like riding so much, why are we
> > always in such a hurry to get it over with as fast as possible?"
>
> > On Feb 25, 1:04 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > > OK so I made a sort of self-indulgent mod to my A. Homer Hilsen.  I
> > > set up the normally 650B bike with a 700C wheelset and short reach
> > > brakes.  It's a wheelset I already had, and a short-reach brakeset I
> > > already had.  So now I have a single bike that can easily be taken on
> > > a ride with 650Bx(whatever) tires one day, and taken on the same ride
> > > with 700x(23-28) tires the next, or whatever.
>
> > > I bought the bike because of the feel of 650B, and I'm thrilled with
> > > it.  Like most of you, I've been skeptical of the claims from Jan H
> > > and others that fat tires are faster.  That said, on brevets in the
> > > last couple of months, I've been surprised at how quickly I catch and
> > > pass riders on coasting descents when I'm on 650x38 at 50psi and they
> > > are on 700x23 and I presume 90-110psi.  That's anecdotal, and doesn't
> > > necessarily mean anything, but it was surprising.
>
> > > So, now I think it will be fun to do a pseudo-scientific spot
> > > comparison between 650B and 700C.  My commute to work is a 35-mile
> > > hilly ride through the east bay hills from El Cerrito to South
> > > Hayward.  A good chunk of that is a non-stop stretch.  I can usually
> > > get from my front door to a traffic signal in front of Castro Valley
> > > High School without stopping or putting my foot down.  The next 10
> > > times I do this commute, I'm going to alternate between the two
> > > wheelsets, and record my time for the same non-stop stretch for these
> > > ten rides.  The 650B tires will be hetres at 50/45psi, and the 700C
> > > tires will be continental gatorskin 28s at 85/80psi.
>
> > > Anyone care to guess which will seem faster?  Too close to call?
> > > Impossible to test unless the rider is blind to the wheel
> > > configuration?  Any advice on keeping the data clean?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Rapha and Rivendell (via Bridgestone)

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Nothing foppish about those scars:  http://tinyurl.com/5ujhjes

On Feb 25, 11:46 am, Michael_S  wrote:
> with scars and all!  And he was't the only one, the ride leader on our
> recent SD ride was sporting some of those fancy-smancy Rapha touring
> shorts if I recall.
>
> Seriously, I like their stuff, well designed, discreet and well made.
> If it was more reasonably priced I would buy some jerseys and shorts.
> I think it goes very well with Riv bikes in a foppish sort of way.
> They have spawned a number of clones as well, like ShuttVR and Torm.
>
> Of course here in Southern California we all dress like that.
>
> ~Mike
>
> On Feb 25, 11:20 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> wrote:
>
> > It's rumored one of our own was on the recent Rapha Gentlemen's ride
> > in LA and riding a Romulus.
>
> >  It has yet to be confirmed though.
>
> > On Feb 25, 11:18 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> > wrote:
>
> > > Cool, thanks.  Total XO-1 shout out there!
>
> > > Filmed in LA BTW, including the LA River.
>
> > > On Feb 25, 10:58 am, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>
> > > >http://www.rapha.cc/rapha-plus-paul-smith--spring-summer-2011
>
> > > > On Feb 25, 10:54 am, "cyclotour...@gmail.com" 
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Link for this wool and steel collabo?
>
> > > > > On Feb 25, 9:54 am, James Valiensi  wrote:
>
> > > > > > DId you see the video? Its for the Rapha-Paul Smith Collection. It 
> > > > > > seems all the riders are on cool steel bikes.
>
> > > > > > Pink is the new black and steel is the new carbon fiber!
>
> > > > > > James Valiensi, PE
> > > > > > Northridge, CA
> > > > > > H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796
>
> > > > > > On Feb 25, 2011, at 9:40 AM, kps wrote:
>
> > > > > > > just got an email from Rapha about a new pink base layer merino
> > > > > > > jersey.
> > > > > > > noticed immediately the guy in the accompanying photo was riding a
> > > > > > > moustache-barred bike, then noticed the bike was orange, and then
> > > > > > > noticed it was an xo-1.  pretty cool nod to Grant and Rivendell, 
> > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > you ask me.
> > > > > > > -k
>
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[RBW] Re: Introduction to Bike Touring course

[SteveF]

On Feb 25, 1:24 am, Rene Sterental  wrote:
...
> Do I need to bring one pair of shorts for each day? Just two to alternate
> and somehow find a way to wash them and drp pants or similar + travel
> underwear? My wife bought me two pairs of Ex-Officio Give-N-Go boxer briefs
> that supposedly dry very quickly and pack very small. Haven't tried them
> yet, in fact, haven't ridden unpadded as I am just now starting to fit in
> the Musa XXL knickers but still need them to be a bit looser for comfort.

Rene, I've used convertable (zip off legs) pants with built in mesh
briefs on tour several times and they've worked great.  One pair of
pants that does the job of two, and no separate underwear to bother
with.  I tried a lot of different brands and the Orvis were the best
by far.  Soft material, not clammy, nice almost tailored fit and they
held up fine.  These:

http://www.orvis.com/store/product.aspx?pf_id=19RRs

Steve

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[RBW] Re: Rapha and Rivendell (via Bridgestone)

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See, it's all rumor and innuendo here on the interwebs!

On Feb 25, 12:01 pm, Aaron Thomas  wrote:
> The rumor is true, at least in part. I was on Rapha's Santa Monica
> Gentlemen's ride, but I wasn't riding my Romulus. I opted for my old lugged
> steel Ciöcc. There is at least a tangential Rivendell connection, however,
> in that I built up the Ciöcc with Mark's Nitto Mod. 178 handlebars.

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[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

[Michael_S]

On my own I don't care how fast I go. My goal is to enjoy the
outdoors, exercise my body or to get somewhere. When I ride with
others I want to go fast enough to stay with the group, or perhaps
meet some time limit in an organized ride.
And I still enjoy pushing my body and going fast, sometimes (actually
most of the time)
It also means I can cover a greater distance and see more.

I don't see those as bad things. Each person has their own personal
goals and preferences.  If I'm happy with mine than it doesn't matter
what others think

~Mike

On Feb 25, 11:34 am, Peter Pesce  wrote:
> Very cool idea to have one bike that works for both sizes, and a
> stroke of minor genius to think of up-sizing the 650B bike, rather
> than down-sizing a 700. I was hoping I could convert my Sam to 650B,
> just to see what all the fuss is about, but it only took a few
> measurements to see that it wouldn't really work.
>
> I am curious to see your test results, but can't see how they'd be in
> any way meaningful - jut too many variables.
>
> I can see how speed matters on a brevet, and to some degree on commute
> (especially a 35-miler) but I, too, keep coming back to Grant's
> question (paraphrased): "If we all like riding so much, why are we
> always in such a hurry to get it over with as fast as possible?"
>
> On Feb 25, 1:04 pm, William  wrote:
>
>
>
> > OK so I made a sort of self-indulgent mod to my A. Homer Hilsen.  I
> > set up the normally 650B bike with a 700C wheelset and short reach
> > brakes.  It's a wheelset I already had, and a short-reach brakeset I
> > already had.  So now I have a single bike that can easily be taken on
> > a ride with 650Bx(whatever) tires one day, and taken on the same ride
> > with 700x(23-28) tires the next, or whatever.
>
> > I bought the bike because of the feel of 650B, and I'm thrilled with
> > it.  Like most of you, I've been skeptical of the claims from Jan H
> > and others that fat tires are faster.  That said, on brevets in the
> > last couple of months, I've been surprised at how quickly I catch and
> > pass riders on coasting descents when I'm on 650x38 at 50psi and they
> > are on 700x23 and I presume 90-110psi.  That's anecdotal, and doesn't
> > necessarily mean anything, but it was surprising.
>
> > So, now I think it will be fun to do a pseudo-scientific spot
> > comparison between 650B and 700C.  My commute to work is a 35-mile
> > hilly ride through the east bay hills from El Cerrito to South
> > Hayward.  A good chunk of that is a non-stop stretch.  I can usually
> > get from my front door to a traffic signal in front of Castro Valley
> > High School without stopping or putting my foot down.  The next 10
> > times I do this commute, I'm going to alternate between the two
> > wheelsets, and record my time for the same non-stop stretch for these
> > ten rides.  The 650B tires will be hetres at 50/45psi, and the 700C
> > tires will be continental gatorskin 28s at 85/80psi.
>
> > Anyone care to guess which will seem faster?  Too close to call?
> > Impossible to test unless the rider is blind to the wheel
> > configuration?  Any advice on keeping the data clean?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Rapha and Rivendell (via Bridgestone)

[Aaron Thomas]

The rumor is true, at least in part. I was on Rapha's Santa Monica 
Gentlemen's ride, but I wasn't riding my Romulus. I opted for my old lugged 
steel Ciöcc. There is at least a tangential Rivendell connection, however, 
in that I built up the Ciöcc with Mark's Nitto Mod. 178 handlebars.

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[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

[William]

Pete

I'm a scientist and an engineer, by profession and by DNA.  I'm wired
to be curious.  I'm wired to tinker and to question.  I'm not obsessed
with increasing speed, nor am I obsessed to get the ride over with.
On brevets, when you ride fat 650B tires, you'll get a number of
people on 700c road bikes ask you "Why would you want to slow yourself
down like that?"  They just assume that my 584x41s are absolute pigs.
I've never been more comfortable on a performance bike than I am on my
Hilsen with fat 584s.  At the end of a 10 hour day, my back, rear end,
arms shoulders, hands and feet all feel great.  Once my legs catch up
I have no doubts that my body could handle the longer events.  Having
found a new plateau in comfort, now I want to test the assertion that
my fat 650B tires are actually significantly FASTER than 700x28s.
It's hard for me to believe it, so I need to see it for myself.  What
I know is that my Hilsen feels much faster than my Hillborne, even
though it has much fatter tires (650x41 vs 700x33).  That equation has
too many variables for sure.

It would be fascinating to me to find that the more comfortable tire
choice is also the faster tire choice.  I don't know if that's what
I'll find.  I expect that the data will be inconclusive, too close to
call.  For sure I expect I'll continue using fat 650Bs for all my long
distance events.  The comfort is way too much for me to pass up.  A
lot of comfort is bike fit, though, and the 700x28 wheels won't change
any of my fit points on the bike, so maybe I'll feel just as good.
Who knows?  Curious folks like me think this way.

Speaking of curious people being wired differently...If you really
want to blow your mind, ask Grant what the perfect rim diameter is.
He has an answer that he will defend emphatically and his perfect size
rim has never been produced.  So, don't misconstrue Grant's 'enjoy the
ride' rhetoric to suggest that Grant doesn't sweat the details on
bikes.  He's one hundred times more technically nitpicky than me, and
I think that's a very good thing, and one of the myriad reasons I like
buying Rivendells.

On Feb 25, 11:34 am, Peter Pesce  wrote:
> Very cool idea to have one bike that works for both sizes, and a
> stroke of minor genius to think of up-sizing the 650B bike, rather
> than down-sizing a 700. I was hoping I could convert my Sam to 650B,
> just to see what all the fuss is about, but it only took a few
> measurements to see that it wouldn't really work.
>
> I am curious to see your test results, but can't see how they'd be in
> any way meaningful - jut too many variables.
>
> I can see how speed matters on a brevet, and to some degree on commute
> (especially a 35-miler) but I, too, keep coming back to Grant's
> question (paraphrased): "If we all like riding so much, why are we
> always in such a hurry to get it over with as fast as possible?"
>
> On Feb 25, 1:04 pm, William  wrote:
>
> > OK so I made a sort of self-indulgent mod to my A. Homer Hilsen.  I
> > set up the normally 650B bike with a 700C wheelset and short reach
> > brakes.  It's a wheelset I already had, and a short-reach brakeset I
> > already had.  So now I have a single bike that can easily be taken on
> > a ride with 650Bx(whatever) tires one day, and taken on the same ride
> > with 700x(23-28) tires the next, or whatever.
>
> > I bought the bike because of the feel of 650B, and I'm thrilled with
> > it.  Like most of you, I've been skeptical of the claims from Jan H
> > and others that fat tires are faster.  That said, on brevets in the
> > last couple of months, I've been surprised at how quickly I catch and
> > pass riders on coasting descents when I'm on 650x38 at 50psi and they
> > are on 700x23 and I presume 90-110psi.  That's anecdotal, and doesn't
> > necessarily mean anything, but it was surprising.
>
> > So, now I think it will be fun to do a pseudo-scientific spot
> > comparison between 650B and 700C.  My commute to work is a 35-mile
> > hilly ride through the east bay hills from El Cerrito to South
> > Hayward.  A good chunk of that is a non-stop stretch.  I can usually
> > get from my front door to a traffic signal in front of Castro Valley
> > High School without stopping or putting my foot down.  The next 10
> > times I do this commute, I'm going to alternate between the two
> > wheelsets, and record my time for the same non-stop stretch for these
> > ten rides.  The 650B tires will be hetres at 50/45psi, and the 700C
> > tires will be continental gatorskin 28s at 85/80psi.
>
> > Anyone care to guess which will seem faster?  Too close to call?
> > Impossible to test unless the rider is blind to the wheel
> > configuration?  Any advice on keeping the data clean?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] FS: Odds and ends

[PATRICK MOORE]

If this is the one with the hose, about 9" long, it's well worth $35.
I just bought one yesterday ($39.99 + tax) to pump my massive 65 mm X
700c Big Apples to 15 psi -- it works very well.

(Rod: please send my cut to me directly.)

Patrick "seriously, a good pump" Moore

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Rod C  wrote:


>
> LEZYNE MTB PUMP/ black/silver/ alloy
> $35 shipped

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[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

[Peter Pesce]

Very cool idea to have one bike that works for both sizes, and a
stroke of minor genius to think of up-sizing the 650B bike, rather
than down-sizing a 700. I was hoping I could convert my Sam to 650B,
just to see what all the fuss is about, but it only took a few
measurements to see that it wouldn't really work.

I am curious to see your test results, but can't see how they'd be in
any way meaningful - jut too many variables.

I can see how speed matters on a brevet, and to some degree on commute
(especially a 35-miler) but I, too, keep coming back to Grant's
question (paraphrased): "If we all like riding so much, why are we
always in such a hurry to get it over with as fast as possible?"

On Feb 25, 1:04 pm, William  wrote:
> OK so I made a sort of self-indulgent mod to my A. Homer Hilsen.  I
> set up the normally 650B bike with a 700C wheelset and short reach
> brakes.  It's a wheelset I already had, and a short-reach brakeset I
> already had.  So now I have a single bike that can easily be taken on
> a ride with 650Bx(whatever) tires one day, and taken on the same ride
> with 700x(23-28) tires the next, or whatever.
>
> I bought the bike because of the feel of 650B, and I'm thrilled with
> it.  Like most of you, I've been skeptical of the claims from Jan H
> and others that fat tires are faster.  That said, on brevets in the
> last couple of months, I've been surprised at how quickly I catch and
> pass riders on coasting descents when I'm on 650x38 at 50psi and they
> are on 700x23 and I presume 90-110psi.  That's anecdotal, and doesn't
> necessarily mean anything, but it was surprising.
>
> So, now I think it will be fun to do a pseudo-scientific spot
> comparison between 650B and 700C.  My commute to work is a 35-mile
> hilly ride through the east bay hills from El Cerrito to South
> Hayward.  A good chunk of that is a non-stop stretch.  I can usually
> get from my front door to a traffic signal in front of Castro Valley
> High School without stopping or putting my foot down.  The next 10
> times I do this commute, I'm going to alternate between the two
> wheelsets, and record my time for the same non-stop stretch for these
> ten rides.  The 650B tires will be hetres at 50/45psi, and the 700C
> tires will be continental gatorskin 28s at 85/80psi.
>
> Anyone care to guess which will seem faster?  Too close to call?
> Impossible to test unless the rider is blind to the wheel
> configuration?  Any advice on keeping the data clean?

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[RBW] Re: Introduction to Bike Touring course

[Scott G.]

It is very good idea to test your load and rack setup all together.
You really want to get a feel for how the bike handles loaded up,
and give all the parts a chance to fall off. If the tour involves dirt
or unpaved roads you really want to try that with the bike loaded
with the tires you intend using.

Some bikes/setups are very good loaded, some aren't, best to know
before the trip.

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[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

[William]

Ummmwhat?

On Feb 25, 10:30 am, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
> Thing is, to make my 700x50's as fast as 700x23's I need to air the 700x50's 
> up to the same harsh ride.  I can never get the 700x23's as comfortable 
> though as I would pinch flat.  
> Take into account that tiny tires usually go with tiny wheels and spin weight 
> does make a difference.
>
> My opinion is that 700x25's are probably faster at x weight bike rider than 
> 700x23 but 700x28's are not faster until weight is increased. If I weigh 
> 75lbs 700x23's are probably faster .. Lighter. More aero etc.  Not until we 
> add weight and side wall flex will larger tires be faster.
>
> Then again if I save 15 minutes over a 25 mile ride have I really lost 
> anything?
>
> Touring and tires and bikes and we still want to talk weight and speed.  I 
> don't get it.  I do but I keep reminding myself that it's not a race.  Only 
> place I lose speed is all out efforts casual rides i se e no difference.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Montclair BobbyB  
> wrote:
>
> > William you're too funny... I'll make an unscientific guess that
> > you'll be ever so slightly faster on the 700 skinnies, but not nearly
> > enough to offset the comfort and stylishness of the Hetres.  Please
> > post pictures of both...
>
> > BB
>
> > On Feb 25, 1:04 pm, William  wrote:
> >> OK so I made a sort of self-indulgent mod to my A. Homer Hilsen.  I
> >> set up the normally 650B bike with a 700C wheelset and short reach
> >> brakes.  It's a wheelset I already had, and a short-reach brakeset I
> >> already had.  So now I have a single bike that can easily be taken on
> >> a ride with 650Bx(whatever) tires one day, and taken on the same ride
> >> with 700x(23-28) tires the next, or whatever.
>
> >> I bought the bike because of the feel of 650B, and I'm thrilled with
> >> it.  Like most of you, I've been skeptical of the claims from Jan H
> >> and others that fat tires are faster.  That said, on brevets in the
> >> last couple of months, I've been surprised at how quickly I catch and
> >> pass riders on coasting descents when I'm on 650x38 at 50psi and they
> >> are on 700x23 and I presume 90-110psi.  That's anecdotal, and doesn't
> >> necessarily mean anything, but it was surprising.
>
> >> So, now I think it will be fun to do a pseudo-scientific spot
> >> comparison between 650B and 700C.  My commute to work is a 35-mile
> >> hilly ride through the east bay hills from El Cerrito to South
> >> Hayward.  A good chunk of that is a non-stop stretch.  I can usually
> >> get from my front door to a traffic signal in front of Castro Valley
> >> High School without stopping or putting my foot down.  The next 10
> >> times I do this commute, I'm going to alternate between the two
> >> wheelsets, and record my time for the same non-stop stretch for these
> >> ten rides.  The 650B tires will be hetres at 50/45psi, and the 700C
> >> tires will be continental gatorskin 28s at 85/80psi.
>
> >> Anyone care to guess which will seem faster?  Too close to call?
> >> Impossible to test unless the rider is blind to the wheel
> >> configuration?  Any advice on keeping the data clean?
>
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[RBW] Re: Rapha and Rivendell (via Bridgestone)

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Link for this wool and steel collabo?

On Feb 25, 9:54 am, James Valiensi  wrote:
> DId you see the video? Its for the Rapha-Paul Smith Collection. It seems all 
> the riders are on cool steel bikes.
>
> Pink is the new black and steel is the new carbon fiber!
>
> James Valiensi, PE
> Northridge, CA
> H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796
>
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 9:40 AM, kps wrote:
>
> > just got an email from Rapha about a new pink base layer merino
> > jersey.
> > noticed immediately the guy in the accompanying photo was riding a
> > moustache-barred bike, then noticed the bike was orange, and then
> > noticed it was an xo-1.  pretty cool nod to Grant and Rivendell, if
> > you ask me.
> > -k
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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy build

[Montclair BobbyB]

Tom

Yes, I guess that's correct... a Gomez is really a Betty in a black
tux...
As far as the name, It's gotta be a guy thing... Somehow I think it
sounds better to say to the wife "Oh honey... Gomez and I are headed
out to the pub", than "I'm taking 'Eve' for a cold one"...

BB

On Feb 25, 10:26 am, "Allingham II, Thomas J"
 wrote:
> Isn't the Gomez just a repainted/redecaled Betty?  I'm guessing you can get a 
> 62cm Gomez if you want one.  
>
> BTW, why does it seem right to call the Betty Foy a "Betty", but the Yves 
> Gomez a "Gomez"?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Montclair BobbyB
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 10:24 AM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy build
>
> I wish we'd see more Yves Gomez's out there, and I don't understand why the 
> Gomez isn't offered in a larger frame (like the 62cm /700c available in the 
> Betty Foy)... I love Betty, don't get me wrong. But being of "Bombadil-size" 
> the question that has been brewing in my
> head: Will we ever see a Bombadil or Hunqapillar mixte?  That is, a 
> fat-tired, canti-posted heavier duty mixte in larger (700c) sizes? Now THAT 
> would be some bike. I also have to put in a plug for the Glorious, which I've 
> only seen in pictures, but wears the name well and indeed does have glorious 
> details...
>
> Bobby "just dreamin" Birmingham
>
> On Feb 25, 5:33 am, Marty  wrote:
> > Betty deserves a Flickr Group of her very own.
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/groups/bettyfoy/
>
> > Let's see 'em!
>
> > On Feb 24, 1:16 pm, Bill  wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 24, 10:55 am, Minh  wrote:
> > > ...
>
> > > > only thing i'd consider is maybe a painted color-matched chain
> > > > guard.
>
> > > 
>
> > > Even better: a chain guard made out of the same wood as the fenders,
> > > including the light double stripe.
>
> > > It's certainly a fantastic build nonetheless.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction to Bike Touring course

[Rene Sterental]

Thanks Joyce!

I had actually been given your name by the ACA but I was waiting before
e-mailing you for that packet to arrive. I'll e-mail you directly with some
accomodation questions I have. It's great to know you're on this list!

René

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[RBW] Re: FS: Supernova E3 Triple with Tail light

[Montclair BobbyB]

I don't see how one can go wrong with an E3, and is not the 'traffic
blinding' issue a matter of how one positions and aims the light at
the road ahead??  I'd take brighter any day.

Slightly OT, after reading good reviews on this forum, I recently
picked up (from Longleaf Bicycles) a B&M IQ Cyo Senso Plus, which
appears to be functionally very similar to my Schmidt Edelux, in a
slightly different casing (and for $65 less).  This one I intend to
swap between various bikes; I'd be interested in hearing whether
anyone has created some type of quick-connect solution for their dyno
lights.  I've done this with the wiring to my hubs, each of which uses
a slightly different connector, so I use a universal connector a few
inches up the fork, allowing me connect different lights (also wired
with the universal connector) on different hubs.. but I'd like to also
fashion some kind of quick-release for the light itself.

Thanks,
BB


On Feb 25, 12:32 pm, BykMor  wrote:
> Just to let potential buyers know...
>
> I just purchased an E3 Triple and used it while racing at the 24 Hours in
> the Old Pueblo mountain bike race in Tucson, AZ last weekend. One of my laps
> *only *used the handlebar mounted E3, and I survived. An additional helmet
> mounted light is recommended for the corners and was used on subsequent
> laps.
>
> It is a bright light with a broad swath of usable light, but it is NOT the
> light you want for road randonneuring or cyclomuting. It would be REALLY
> COOL on a Hunqapillar! An EDelux would work, as well, but this one will show
> you the branches about to whap you in the face and light up the owl eyes in
> the tree up there. FYI- The E3 Triple uses a symmetric beam, meaning there
> is a cone of light and plenty of light is sent above the horizon. This is
> useful out on a dirt trail, but not good in two-way traffic.
>
> Happy Trails,
> BykMor

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Re: [RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

[Kelly Sleeper]

Thing is, to make my 700x50's as fast as 700x23's I need to air the 700x50's up 
to the same harsh ride.  I can never get the 700x23's as comfortable though as 
I would pinch flat.  
Take into account that tiny tires usually go with tiny wheels and spin weight 
does make a difference.

My opinion is that 700x25's are probably faster at x weight bike rider than 
700x23 but 700x28's are not faster until weight is increased. If I weigh 75lbs 
700x23's are probably faster .. Lighter. More aero etc.  Not until we add 
weight and side wall flex will larger tires be faster.

Then again if I save 15 minutes over a 25 mile ride have I really lost anything?

Touring and tires and bikes and we still want to talk weight and speed.  I 
don't get it.  I do but I keep reminding myself that it's not a race.  Only 
place I lose speed is all out efforts casual rides i se e no difference.

 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 25, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Montclair BobbyB  
wrote:

> William you're too funny... I'll make an unscientific guess that
> you'll be ever so slightly faster on the 700 skinnies, but not nearly
> enough to offset the comfort and stylishness of the Hetres.  Please
> post pictures of both...
> 
> BB
> 
> On Feb 25, 1:04 pm, William  wrote:
>> OK so I made a sort of self-indulgent mod to my A. Homer Hilsen.  I
>> set up the normally 650B bike with a 700C wheelset and short reach
>> brakes.  It's a wheelset I already had, and a short-reach brakeset I
>> already had.  So now I have a single bike that can easily be taken on
>> a ride with 650Bx(whatever) tires one day, and taken on the same ride
>> with 700x(23-28) tires the next, or whatever.
>> 
>> I bought the bike because of the feel of 650B, and I'm thrilled with
>> it.  Like most of you, I've been skeptical of the claims from Jan H
>> and others that fat tires are faster.  That said, on brevets in the
>> last couple of months, I've been surprised at how quickly I catch and
>> pass riders on coasting descents when I'm on 650x38 at 50psi and they
>> are on 700x23 and I presume 90-110psi.  That's anecdotal, and doesn't
>> necessarily mean anything, but it was surprising.
>> 
>> So, now I think it will be fun to do a pseudo-scientific spot
>> comparison between 650B and 700C.  My commute to work is a 35-mile
>> hilly ride through the east bay hills from El Cerrito to South
>> Hayward.  A good chunk of that is a non-stop stretch.  I can usually
>> get from my front door to a traffic signal in front of Castro Valley
>> High School without stopping or putting my foot down.  The next 10
>> times I do this commute, I'm going to alternate between the two
>> wheelsets, and record my time for the same non-stop stretch for these
>> ten rides.  The 650B tires will be hetres at 50/45psi, and the 700C
>> tires will be continental gatorskin 28s at 85/80psi.
>> 
>> Anyone care to guess which will seem faster?  Too close to call?
>> Impossible to test unless the rider is blind to the wheel
>> configuration?  Any advice on keeping the data clean?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Chilly Hilly?

[Rob Harrison]

Bummer! 

Dang cars;)

Rob in Seattle


On Feb 25, 2011, at 9:10 AM, Linkbeak wrote:

> Looks like car trouble is going to delay my return to Portland so I
> won't be able to leave for Seattle in time.  Hope the rest of you have
> a great ride and hopefully I can join next year!
> 
> Joyce

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[RBW] Re: Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

[Montclair BobbyB]

William you're too funny... I'll make an unscientific guess that
you'll be ever so slightly faster on the 700 skinnies, but not nearly
enough to offset the comfort and stylishness of the Hetres.  Please
post pictures of both...

BB

On Feb 25, 1:04 pm, William  wrote:
> OK so I made a sort of self-indulgent mod to my A. Homer Hilsen.  I
> set up the normally 650B bike with a 700C wheelset and short reach
> brakes.  It's a wheelset I already had, and a short-reach brakeset I
> already had.  So now I have a single bike that can easily be taken on
> a ride with 650Bx(whatever) tires one day, and taken on the same ride
> with 700x(23-28) tires the next, or whatever.
>
> I bought the bike because of the feel of 650B, and I'm thrilled with
> it.  Like most of you, I've been skeptical of the claims from Jan H
> and others that fat tires are faster.  That said, on brevets in the
> last couple of months, I've been surprised at how quickly I catch and
> pass riders on coasting descents when I'm on 650x38 at 50psi and they
> are on 700x23 and I presume 90-110psi.  That's anecdotal, and doesn't
> necessarily mean anything, but it was surprising.
>
> So, now I think it will be fun to do a pseudo-scientific spot
> comparison between 650B and 700C.  My commute to work is a 35-mile
> hilly ride through the east bay hills from El Cerrito to South
> Hayward.  A good chunk of that is a non-stop stretch.  I can usually
> get from my front door to a traffic signal in front of Castro Valley
> High School without stopping or putting my foot down.  The next 10
> times I do this commute, I'm going to alternate between the two
> wheelsets, and record my time for the same non-stop stretch for these
> ten rides.  The 650B tires will be hetres at 50/45psi, and the 700C
> tires will be continental gatorskin 28s at 85/80psi.
>
> Anyone care to guess which will seem faster?  Too close to call?
> Impossible to test unless the rider is blind to the wheel
> configuration?  Any advice on keeping the data clean?

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[RBW] FS: Odds and ends

[Rod C]

Hello,

Continuing to sell gear that is in great condition but I'm not using.
Don't believe in hanging onto stuff that's not being used so here
goes.

All prices INCLUDE SHIPPING WITHIN CONUS.

Thanks as always

TEKTRO BRAKE LEVERS/ R200A/ Black hoods/ silver levers/
$25 shipped

SHIMANO 105 SILVER FRONT BRAKE/ pads in excellent cond./ normal reach
$40 shipped

LEZYNE MTB PUMP/ black/silver/ alloy
$35 shipped

TOPEAK XTRA LARGE MASTER BLASTER FRAME PUMP
$20 shipped

Payment will be Paypal.

Please message me directly.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Dinotte Lights 200L headlight and 140L taillight kit

[Rod C]

SOLD.

Btw, thanks for the comments Michael.  Right you are.

On Feb 25, 7:46 am, MichaelH  wrote:
> If you don't need lighting for more than 4 hours at a time, and want
> lights for more than one bike, these are an optimum solution.  I have
> used them for the past four years and have been very happy with them.
> They are extremely lite and light.
>
> michael
>
> On Feb 24, 10:52 pm, Rod C  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello,
>
> > I'm selling this kit for $150 shipped CONUS.  Don't know if anyone on
> > this
> > group is interested in non dynamo lighting but here goes.  It's been
> > used but
> > well cared for.
>
> > Everything works just as it did when I bought a year ago.
> > Here's the kit.
>
> >http://rodc.smugmug.com/photos/1197850635_9HCQo-L.jpg
>
> > Please message me directly if interested.
> > Great for commuting.
>
> > Paypal payment.
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Rod

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[RBW] Warning: non-scientific experiment under construction (650B vs 700C)

[William]

OK so I made a sort of self-indulgent mod to my A. Homer Hilsen.  I
set up the normally 650B bike with a 700C wheelset and short reach
brakes.  It's a wheelset I already had, and a short-reach brakeset I
already had.  So now I have a single bike that can easily be taken on
a ride with 650Bx(whatever) tires one day, and taken on the same ride
with 700x(23-28) tires the next, or whatever.

I bought the bike because of the feel of 650B, and I'm thrilled with
it.  Like most of you, I've been skeptical of the claims from Jan H
and others that fat tires are faster.  That said, on brevets in the
last couple of months, I've been surprised at how quickly I catch and
pass riders on coasting descents when I'm on 650x38 at 50psi and they
are on 700x23 and I presume 90-110psi.  That's anecdotal, and doesn't
necessarily mean anything, but it was surprising.

So, now I think it will be fun to do a pseudo-scientific spot
comparison between 650B and 700C.  My commute to work is a 35-mile
hilly ride through the east bay hills from El Cerrito to South
Hayward.  A good chunk of that is a non-stop stretch.  I can usually
get from my front door to a traffic signal in front of Castro Valley
High School without stopping or putting my foot down.  The next 10
times I do this commute, I'm going to alternate between the two
wheelsets, and record my time for the same non-stop stretch for these
ten rides.  The 650B tires will be hetres at 50/45psi, and the 700C
tires will be continental gatorskin 28s at 85/80psi.

Anyone care to guess which will seem faster?  Too close to call?
Impossible to test unless the rider is blind to the wheel
configuration?  Any advice on keeping the data clean?

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Re: [RBW] Rapha and Rivendell (via Bridgestone)

[James Valiensi]

DId you see the video? Its for the Rapha-Paul Smith Collection. It seems all 
the riders are on cool steel bikes.

Pink is the new black and steel is the new carbon fiber!


James Valiensi, PE
Northridge, CA
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> just got an email from Rapha about a new pink base layer merino
> jersey.
> noticed immediately the guy in the accompanying photo was riding a
> moustache-barred bike, then noticed the bike was orange, and then
> noticed it was an xo-1.  pretty cool nod to Grant and Rivendell, if
> you ask me.
> -k
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Re: [RBW] Rapha and Rivendell (via Bridgestone)

[PATRICK MOORE]

Oh Gawd! Rivendell and Grant become part of the latest momentary
fashion scene! Help us all!

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:40 AM, kps  wrote:
> just got an email from Rapha about a new pink base layer merino
> jersey.
> noticed immediately the guy in the accompanying photo was riding a
> moustache-barred bike, then noticed the bike was orange, and then
> noticed it was an xo-1.  pretty cool nod to Grant and Rivendell, if
> you ask me.
> -k
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[RBW] Re: Introduction to Bike Touring course

[Linkbeak]

Rene, Glad to hear you're excited about the upcoming trip.  You'll be
joined by at least one other list member -- me -- as I am the trip
leader.  You are asking the right questions and have gotten a lot of
good advice from the list.  You and other trip participants will soon
be receiving more detailed information from ACA and from me that will
answer many of these questions.  Please feel free to contact me off-
list with any questions you have.  The ACA Tours Department is very
knowledgeable and they are also happy to answer your questions.

Joyce



On Feb 24, 10:27 pm, Rene Sterental  wrote:
> Thanks Doug,
>
> The recommendation to take all these brakes is certainly valuable. To
> tell the truth, I hadn't really considered it, but I'll work it into
> my rides. Will try to schedule at least one S24O as you recommend.
>
> René
>
> Sent from my iPhone 4
>
> On Feb 24, 2011, at 9:51 PM, doug peterson  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Rene:
>
> > Others have covered the pannier, gear, training, etc. issues well so
> > nothing to add there.  How about doing a few S24Os before your trip?
> > Load up all the stuff you think you may need for the long trip & see
> > how it is to ride.  You may ID things that aren't so important or
> > remember things you should have brought.  A bike with 4 bags is a
> > different animal than a commuter load.
>
> > +1 for the comment about getting off the bike frequenlty.  I'm a bit
> > older than you & find that a short (5-10 minute max) break after a
> > couple of hours in the morning, followed by hourly breaks the rest of
> > the day, is revitalizing.
>
> > dougP
>
> > On Feb 24, 9:11 pm, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
> >> Here is a great site for 
> >> information..http://www.bicycletouring101.com/index.html
>
> >> Enjoy your Arkels.  I've been touring with mine for the last 5 years and 
> >> can
> >> state without reservation that they perform as well as anything out there.
> >> Weight is way over rated, especially when touring.
>
> >> I'm not saying over pack, but there is comfort a good book brings to the
> >> campsite, or comfort for me a computer / email / connectivity brings.   We
> >> are all different but comfort is key to me.  So pack smart for what you are
> >> doing, but keep comfort and enjoyment as the top priority.  Then room.
> >> Worry about weight later.   Leave space for expansion along the way.  My
> >> last trip I ended up with 10 shot glasses, a new coat, t shirts, ball caps
> >> and such from tourist traps.
>
> >> A larger tent adds a pound or two but leaves room for me to sit up in and
> >> have all my gear inside the tent wtih me.  Great for packing up on those
> >> rainy windy days.  Also nice for card games at night.
>
> >> Speaking of tents.. make sure it's easy to put up and take down since you 
> >> do
> >> it daily.
>
> >> Test before you leave.  Even heavy loads work great on hills if you have 
> >> the
> >> gearing.
>
> >> I'm jealous and can't wait to hear how it goes.
>
> >> Kelly
>
> >> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Rene Sterental 
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> Thanks Dave. You make some good points too. I already have the Arkel
> >>> panniers. I know some peep think they're heavy, but I just fell in love 
> >>> with
> >>> them. I'll make it a point to try to pack as efficiently as possible. I'm
> >>> not planning on carrying a laptop or long cords on that tour, but want to
> >>> bring my iPhone and my Garmin 800, so I've purchased the watchamacallit to
> >>> recharge them from the Son 28 hub.  I think I'll have to also get adapter 
> >>> to
> >>> make sjre current flows steadily to the devices when the Son isn't moving;
> >>> I'm still figuring out how the whole thing works.
>
> >>> All of this advice is great
>
> >>> Thanks to all who have submitted it via the list and privately as well.
>
> >>> René
>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
>
> >>> On Feb 24, 2011, at 7:46 PM, Dave Craig  wrote:
>
>  Awesome, René!
>
>  I did the ACA tour leader training and I found it to be a lot of fun.
>  The leaders were very knowledgeable, yet humble, and I really enjoyed
>  learning more about the ACA.
>
>  As a counterpoint to Kelly, I think the most important thing is to
>  pack light. To me, the extra comforts mean that I might think twice
>  about enticing side roads or stopping at a fruit stand to stock up on
>  the way to camp. Everything I pack fits inside my Ortlieb front and
>  rear panniers. I don't usually have anything on top of my racks and I
>  don't often use a handlebar bag.
>
>  Your rack set up seems fine to me. Unless you already have them, the
>  Arkel panniers you mention are heavy and a little complex for my
>  tastes - to each his own. It seems that whenever I see someone with
>  that particular pannier set, they are carrying far more than I would.
>
>  As for training, go with your body. Ride as much as possible, but not
>  to the point of pain. The ACA folks are used to dealing with middle-
>  aged folks 

[RBW] Rapha and Rivendell (via Bridgestone)

[kps]

just got an email from Rapha about a new pink base layer merino
jersey.
noticed immediately the guy in the accompanying photo was riding a
moustache-barred bike, then noticed the bike was orange, and then
noticed it was an xo-1.  pretty cool nod to Grant and Rivendell, if
you ask me.
-k

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Supernova E3 Triple with Tail light

[BykMor]

Just to let potential buyers know...

I just purchased an E3 Triple and used it while racing at the 24 Hours in 
the Old Pueblo mountain bike race in Tucson, AZ last weekend. One of my laps 
*only *used the handlebar mounted E3, and I survived. An additional helmet 
mounted light is recommended for the corners and was used on subsequent 
laps.

It is a bright light with a broad swath of usable light, but it is NOT the 
light you want for road randonneuring or cyclomuting. It would be REALLY 
COOL on a Hunqapillar! An EDelux would work, as well, but this one will show 
you the branches about to whap you in the face and light up the owl eyes in 
the tree up there. FYI- The E3 Triple uses a symmetric beam, meaning there 
is a cone of light and plenty of light is sent above the horizon. This is 
useful out on a dirt trail, but not good in two-way traffic.

Happy Trails,
BykMor

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[RBW] yehuda moon in mexico

[newenglandbike]

Dunno how many of you read Rick Smith's Yehuda Moon adventures, but
for those who do, you know about his guerilla sharrow campaign.   I
came across this today and had to smile!

http://www.takepart.com/news/2011/01/13/guadalaraja-diy-bike-lane


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[RBW] Re: New Sam Color

[William]

...and now smile train is getting some money.  Cool!

On Feb 24, 8:03 am, EricP  wrote:
> Then it would be even better - slush-o-flage!
>
> Actually like the color.  But would not want to see it with a blue
> head tube.  Too close to last century Raleigh bikes, IMO.
>
> Hmm.  A black and grilver Bombadil might look extremely understated.
> Unless one was wearing an Oakland Raiders football jersey while
> riding.
>
> Locally there is a dark blue Sam Hillborne.  That color also works
> well.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Feb 24, 6:49 am, Garth  wrote:
>
> > Grilver . Bla .   Call it like you see it.
>
> > It looks like Midwest road spray on a winters day.
>
> > Colors are where it's at !
>
> > There's enough grays and blacks in the bike world.
>
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[RBW] Re: Chilly Hilly?

[Linkbeak]

Looks like car trouble is going to delay my return to Portland so I
won't be able to leave for Seattle in time.  Hope the rest of you have
a great ride and hopefully I can join next year!

Joyce


On Feb 24, 12:10 pm, Scott Postlewait  wrote:
> On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:53 AM, wrharper wrote:
>
> > I meant the car deck :) but that might be a little cold.  Your plan
> > sounds much better.
>
> > On Feb 23, 11:14 pm, Rob Harrison  wrote:
> >> On the ferry, we're talking about the *inside* lowest level at the 
> >> Seattle-facing side, not the car deck, I'm going to assume.
>
> For the Chilly Hilly meetup on the ferry - I have found one of the easiest 
> meeting places (and best-kept secrets) is the upper lounge of the ferry.  
> Comfortable chairs and barely anyone up there.  Enjoy!  Wish I could go this 
> year.
>
> Scott Postlewait
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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy build

[William]

My wife chose the Gomez.  When it's my turn for a mixte, I'm going
with the powder blue, for sure.  Does that make me a gender bender
with 650B fenders?

On Feb 25, 7:37 am, "Allingham II, Thomas J"
 wrote:
> Obviously, the Betty/Gomez nickname differentiation is just me.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rene Sterental
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 10:28 AM
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy build
>
> Bobby,
>
> Any Yves is just a repainted Betty with new decals. In fact, when they come 
> off the ship they're all Bettys. The change happens here in the US according 
> to Keven. Therefore, all sizes are available. I would have gotten the larger 
> 62 size had it only been for me.
>
> René
>
> Sent from my iPhone 4
>
> On Feb 25, 2011, at 7:23 AM, Montclair BobbyB  
> wrote:
>
> > I wish we'd see more Yves Gomez's out there, and I don't understand
> > why the Gomez isn't offered in a larger frame (like the 62cm /700c
> > available in the Betty Foy)... I love Betty, don't get me wrong. But
> > being of "Bombadil-size" the question that has been brewing in my
> > head: Will we ever see a Bombadil or Hunqapillar mixte?  That is, a
> > fat-tired, canti-posted heavier duty mixte in larger (700c) sizes? Now
> > THAT would be some bike. I also have to put in a plug for the
> > Glorious, which I've only seen in pictures, but wears the name well
> > and indeed does have glorious details...
>
> > Bobby "just dreamin" Birmingham
>
> > On Feb 25, 5:33 am, Marty  wrote:
> >> Betty deserves a Flickr Group of her very own.
>
> >>http://www.flickr.com/groups/bettyfoy/
>
> >> Let's see 'em!
>
> >> On Feb 24, 1:16 pm, Bill  wrote:
>
> >>> On Feb 24, 10:55 am, Minh  wrote:
> >>> ...
>
>  only thing i'd consider is maybe a painted color-matched chain
>  guard.
>
> >>> 
>
> >>> Even better: a chain guard made out of the same wood as the fenders,
> >>> including the light double stripe.
>
> >>> It's certainly a fantastic build nonetheless.
>
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RE: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy build

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Obviously, the Betty/Gomez nickname differentiation is just me. 

-Original Message-
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rene Sterental
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 10:28 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy build

Bobby,

Any Yves is just a repainted Betty with new decals. In fact, when they come off 
the ship they're all Bettys. The change happens here in the US according to 
Keven. Therefore, all sizes are available. I would have gotten the larger 62 
size had it only been for me.

René

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Feb 25, 2011, at 7:23 AM, Montclair BobbyB  wrote:

> I wish we'd see more Yves Gomez's out there, and I don't understand 
> why the Gomez isn't offered in a larger frame (like the 62cm /700c 
> available in the Betty Foy)... I love Betty, don't get me wrong. But 
> being of "Bombadil-size" the question that has been brewing in my
> head: Will we ever see a Bombadil or Hunqapillar mixte?  That is, a 
> fat-tired, canti-posted heavier duty mixte in larger (700c) sizes? Now 
> THAT would be some bike. I also have to put in a plug for the 
> Glorious, which I've only seen in pictures, but wears the name well 
> and indeed does have glorious details...
>
> Bobby "just dreamin" Birmingham
>
>
> On Feb 25, 5:33 am, Marty  wrote:
>> Betty deserves a Flickr Group of her very own.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/groups/bettyfoy/
>>
>> Let's see 'em!
>>
>> On Feb 24, 1:16 pm, Bill  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 24, 10:55 am, Minh  wrote:
>>> ...
>>
 only thing i'd consider is maybe a painted color-matched chain 
 guard.
>>
>>> 
>>
>>> Even better: a chain guard made out of the same wood as the fenders, 
>>> including the light double stripe.
>>
>>> It's certainly a fantastic build nonetheless.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy build

[Rene Sterental]

Bobby,

Any Yves is just a repainted Betty with new decals. In fact, when they
come off the ship they're all Bettys. The change happens here in the
US according to Keven. Therefore, all sizes are available. I would
have gotten the larger 62 size had it only been for me.

René

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Feb 25, 2011, at 7:23 AM, Montclair BobbyB  wrote:

> I wish we'd see more Yves Gomez's out there, and I don't understand
> why the Gomez isn't offered in a larger frame (like the 62cm /700c
> available in the Betty Foy)... I love Betty, don't get me wrong. But
> being of "Bombadil-size" the question that has been brewing in my
> head: Will we ever see a Bombadil or Hunqapillar mixte?  That is, a
> fat-tired, canti-posted heavier duty mixte in larger (700c) sizes? Now
> THAT would be some bike. I also have to put in a plug for the
> Glorious, which I've only seen in pictures, but wears the name well
> and indeed does have glorious details...
>
> Bobby "just dreamin" Birmingham
>
>
> On Feb 25, 5:33 am, Marty  wrote:
>> Betty deserves a Flickr Group of her very own.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/groups/bettyfoy/
>>
>> Let's see 'em!
>>
>> On Feb 24, 1:16 pm, Bill  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 24, 10:55 am, Minh  wrote:
>>> ...
>>
 only thing i'd consider is maybe a painted color-matched chain
 guard.
>>
>>> 
>>
>>> Even better: a chain guard made out of the same wood as the fenders,
>>> including the light double stripe.
>>
>>> It's certainly a fantastic build nonetheless.
>>
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RE: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy build

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Isn't the Gomez just a repainted/redecaled Betty?  I'm guessing you can get a 
62cm Gomez if you want one.  

BTW, why does it seem right to call the Betty Foy a "Betty", but the Yves Gomez 
a "Gomez"? 

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Montclair BobbyB
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 10:24 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Betty Foy build

I wish we'd see more Yves Gomez's out there, and I don't understand why the 
Gomez isn't offered in a larger frame (like the 62cm /700c available in the 
Betty Foy)... I love Betty, don't get me wrong. But being of "Bombadil-size" 
the question that has been brewing in my
head: Will we ever see a Bombadil or Hunqapillar mixte?  That is, a fat-tired, 
canti-posted heavier duty mixte in larger (700c) sizes? Now THAT would be some 
bike. I also have to put in a plug for the Glorious, which I've only seen in 
pictures, but wears the name well and indeed does have glorious details...

Bobby "just dreamin" Birmingham


On Feb 25, 5:33 am, Marty  wrote:
> Betty deserves a Flickr Group of her very own.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/groups/bettyfoy/
>
> Let's see 'em!
>
> On Feb 24, 1:16 pm, Bill  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 24, 10:55 am, Minh  wrote:
> > ...
>
> > > only thing i'd consider is maybe a painted color-matched chain 
> > > guard.
>
> > 
>
> > Even better: a chain guard made out of the same wood as the fenders, 
> > including the light double stripe.
>
> > It's certainly a fantastic build nonetheless.
>
> > Bill- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy build

[Montclair BobbyB]

I wish we'd see more Yves Gomez's out there, and I don't understand
why the Gomez isn't offered in a larger frame (like the 62cm /700c
available in the Betty Foy)... I love Betty, don't get me wrong. But
being of "Bombadil-size" the question that has been brewing in my
head: Will we ever see a Bombadil or Hunqapillar mixte?  That is, a
fat-tired, canti-posted heavier duty mixte in larger (700c) sizes? Now
THAT would be some bike. I also have to put in a plug for the
Glorious, which I've only seen in pictures, but wears the name well
and indeed does have glorious details...

Bobby "just dreamin" Birmingham


On Feb 25, 5:33 am, Marty  wrote:
> Betty deserves a Flickr Group of her very own.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/groups/bettyfoy/
>
> Let's see 'em!
>
> On Feb 24, 1:16 pm, Bill  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 24, 10:55 am, Minh  wrote:
> > ...
>
> > > only thing i'd consider is maybe a painted color-matched chain
> > > guard.
>
> > 
>
> > Even better: a chain guard made out of the same wood as the fenders,
> > including the light double stripe.
>
> > It's certainly a fantastic build nonetheless.
>
> > Bill- Hide quoted text -
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[RBW] Re: FS: Dinotte Lights 200L headlight and 140L taillight kit

[MichaelH]

If you don't need lighting for more than 4 hours at a time, and want
lights for more than one bike, these are an optimum solution.  I have
used them for the past four years and have been very happy with them.
They are extremely lite and light.

michael

On Feb 24, 10:52 pm, Rod C  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm selling this kit for $150 shipped CONUS.  Don't know if anyone on
> this
> group is interested in non dynamo lighting but here goes.  It's been
> used but
> well cared for.
>
> Everything works just as it did when I bought a year ago.
> Here's the kit.
>
> http://rodc.smugmug.com/photos/1197850635_9HCQo-L.jpg
>
> Please message me directly if interested.
> Great for commuting.
>
> Paypal payment.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rod

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy build

[Marty]

Betty deserves a Flickr Group of her very own.

http://www.flickr.com/groups/bettyfoy/

Let's see 'em!

On Feb 24, 1:16 pm, Bill  wrote:
> On Feb 24, 10:55 am, Minh  wrote:
> ...
>
> > only thing i'd consider is maybe a painted color-matched chain
> > guard.
>
> 
>
> Even better: a chain guard made out of the same wood as the fenders,
> including the light double stripe.
>
> It's certainly a fantastic build nonetheless.
>
> Bill

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