[RBW] Re: can anyone relate--getting older (50) and back into cycling: finding drops not so easy...
I took mine off a couple years ago because I found myself looking at it instead of where I was going along with having the mindset of trying to go faster..it just seemed pointless. Like you, I enjoy riding more because of it..to the original poster I can relate, I turn 53 in September and figure I'm on the downward curve so I'm enjoying everything I can now. On Jun 6, 9:41 pm, SISDDWG dgen...@gmail.com wrote: I've lost a lot of power and speed, and this year feel a drop in endurance, but as long as I don't look at a bike computer too much, my happiness per mile hasn't trailed off. Yep, I had a computer on all six of my bikes but when I reached 65 years of age all the computers were remove. I enjoy cycling as much as ever. On Jun 6, 4:37 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I took about a ten year break from cycling in my forties when life demanded I focus exclusively on other things. When I started back, I set two rules for myself which proved very useful. First I went on a (Atkins) diet and lost 40 lbs. Second, as I recommitted myself I decided to avoid riding so much on any day that I wouldn't want to ride again tomorrow. Both of those proved to be very useful decisions. About the same time I discovered Rivendell and I raised my bars. Setting them about 2 cm below my saddle provided great relieve to my back and especially my neck muscles. Drop bars provide the most variety for hand positions, which relieve stress on the wrist shoulders. I found putting them higher than the saddle prevented me from standing up, and Vt has lots of short steep rollers to get over, which are often easiest if you stand up and give some push. I'm in my mid-late 60's now and continue to ride with drop bars about 2 cm below the seat. I do some yoga after every ride now. I've lost a lot of power and speed, and this year feel a drop in endurance, but as long as I don't look at a bike computer too much, my happiness per mile hasn't trailed off. Drop bars also offer the least stress on the buns and maybe the feet too, which have been a problem for me. michael just back from a happy, hilly 20 mile ride. On Jun 6, 11:55 am, canali jwcoll...@hotmail.com wrote: just wondering if it's just me and i need to take my time adding the mileage and being consistent and patient (and getting back into shape) OR do alot of us as we get older no longer find being so bent down as comfortable...thinking of swapping out drops on atlantis for jeff jones h loop bars or the north road bars. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: can anyone relate--getting older (50) and back into cycling: finding drops not so easy...
If you don't ever use the drops you are either going too slow, setting the bars too low, or don't need them. Ahem. On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 11:03 PM, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: I took mine off a couple years ago because I found myself looking at it instead of where I was going along with having the mindset of trying to go faster..it just seemed pointless. Like you, I enjoy riding more because of it..to the original poster I can relate, I turn 53 in September and figure I'm on the downward curve so I'm enjoying everything I can now. On Jun 6, 9:41 pm, SISDDWG dgen...@gmail.com wrote: I've lost a lot of power and speed, and this year feel a drop in endurance, but as long as I don't look at a bike computer too much, my happiness per mile hasn't trailed off. Yep, I had a computer on all six of my bikes but when I reached 65 years of age all the computers were remove. I enjoy cycling as much as ever. On Jun 6, 4:37 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I took about a ten year break from cycling in my forties when life demanded I focus exclusively on other things. When I started back, I set two rules for myself which proved very useful. First I went on a (Atkins) diet and lost 40 lbs. Second, as I recommitted myself I decided to avoid riding so much on any day that I wouldn't want to ride again tomorrow. Both of those proved to be very useful decisions. About the same time I discovered Rivendell and I raised my bars. Setting them about 2 cm below my saddle provided great relieve to my back and especially my neck muscles. Drop bars provide the most variety for hand positions, which relieve stress on the wrist shoulders. I found putting them higher than the saddle prevented me from standing up, and Vt has lots of short steep rollers to get over, which are often easiest if you stand up and give some push. I'm in my mid-late 60's now and continue to ride with drop bars about 2 cm below the seat. I do some yoga after every ride now. I've lost a lot of power and speed, and this year feel a drop in endurance, but as long as I don't look at a bike computer too much, my happiness per mile hasn't trailed off. Drop bars also offer the least stress on the buns and maybe the feet too, which have been a problem for me. michael just back from a happy, hilly 20 mile ride. On Jun 6, 11:55 am, canali jwcoll...@hotmail.com wrote: just wondering if it's just me and i need to take my time adding the mileage and being consistent and patient (and getting back into shape) OR do alot of us as we get older no longer find being so bent down as comfortable...thinking of swapping out drops on atlantis for jeff jones h loop bars or the north road bars. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: can anyone relate--getting older (50) and back into cycling: finding drops not so easy...
Hahaha! That cracked me up. Philip On Jun 6, 4:49 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 17:46 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: briefs as opposed to boxers are generally not as comfortable, but I completely forgot about them while riding. Try doing that on a century sometime and you may find the leg elastics leaving an indelible impression on both mind and body. I still remember my first century attempt, in 1973 - always brings this song to mind.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lhf9U5Wf3Q -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: can anyone relate--getting older (50) and back into cycling: finding drops not so easy...
Speaking of bars, I could use an 8 cm 1 1/8 threadless stem, preferably black, 10* rise or modest rise; for the Fargo. Can trade goods or pay cash. Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: can anyone relate--getting older (50) and back into cycling: finding drops not so easy...
Hi all: Interesting post from Dave M. a couple of months ago regarding drop bar positioning. http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2011/3/28/leisure-riding-position.html I tried this on one of my bikes where I noticed that as I became tired, I would ride in the drops (much below the saddle) and hold the the ends of the bar. It was just a natural position for me - low and close as I tired. I did not feel any more strain on my neck or back, probably because my back angle had not changed much. So far the experiment has been successful. This placement of the bars may not work if one is already using short stem. I did NOT try this on my Rambouillet where the saddle is even with the seat. The bike fits me so well, I do not want to alter my riding position. I do notice however on the Rambouillet that as I tire, I also start to use the drop with my hands way back on the ends of the bars. Perhaps Canall can consider keeping the bars at their current height, but bring them in closer. It would have the same effect with respect to back angle as raising the bars, but would not sacrifice leverage on standing up for going over hills. Regards, Jay Demarest, NJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 20:43 -0700, james black wrote: Why must we dump our freewheels, a technology which in my experience has always performed flawlessly as intended, just because freehubs make for better engineering? One reason might be that freewheels NEVER performed flawlessly. First time I brought my Paramount in for service, and it must have had less than 1,000 miles on it, the shop destroyed my Regina Oro freewheel trying to remove it. It was common for shops servicing tandems to resort to a three foot long cheater bar to try to remove the freewheel. Pedaling screws the freewheel on tighter, and the stronger the forces on the chain, the tighter it gets. Trying to overcome that torque with a small notched or splined wrench inside the freewheel often led to slippage, which in turn led to damage. As if that wasn't enough, there's the issue of the freewheel's location forcing the drive side bearing in the hub inboard, leading to axle bending; this wasn't a problem in the days of 3, 4 and 5 speed clusters, but once they went to six and beyond it became more and more of a problem. Seven speeds appears to be the practical maximum. Rather than considering them flawless, you might think of freewheels as a poorly engineered system that was pushed beyond its practical limits into the realm of failure. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 20:39 -0700, charlie wrote: I'm with all the folks who like the double top tube.I like the different look and it does make the frame stronger. I'm a full 268 and would want the extra tube but I don't think a lighter rider would get a harsh ride out of it, in fact, it would help if the bike were loaded up with bags. I think many of those against it are secretly gram counters and are worried they won't be as fast on the bike. ; ) My objections have nothing at all to do with gram counting. When you can measure your weight in tenths of a ton you don't fret about no stinkin' grams. For me, it's mostly about the excessive stiffness, and only a little bit about aesthetics. In general, the Riv frames made with oversize tubing and single top tubes were already too stiff; the last thing in the world they need in my opinion is even more stiffness. I realize, flexible vs stiff is a preference choice, and different riders experience this differently. It's one thing to want a very stiff frame because you prefer the performance; but to create an overly stiff frame for the sake of visual differentiation -- now that's irrational. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: can anyone relate--getting older (50) and back into cycling: finding drops not so easy...
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 19:39 -0700, Mike S wrote: Noodles came with my Quickbeam and I abhorred the whole crouched over, knees-in-the-chest speedy position. You're describing bad fit, not the way things are supposed to be with drop bars. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: can anyone relate--getting older (50) and back into cycling: finding drops not so easy...
Agreed! There's a big difference between drop bars 5 cm below the saddle and drop bars raised to even or even a few cm above the saddle. Reach to the bars is a major factor in comfort, as well. On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:45 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 19:39 -0700, Mike S wrote: Noodles came with my Quickbeam and I abhorred the whole crouched over, knees-in-the-chest speedy position. You're describing bad fit, not the way things are supposed to be with drop bars. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne
I own a 60cm single top tube Sam, '09. Maybe because my main two rides for the last 20 years have been 59cm Ribby's, an RB-1 go-fast and an RB-T commuter/light tourer, The flex of the single top tube Sam feels perfect to me under my 226 lbs. for day riding on paved or gravel roads and overnight inn to inn trips. I start to notice a bit more flex, not yet objectionable, with a large saddlebag, med. basket up front, camping gear from my ultralight backpacking kit and 4 days food. For longer trips with rear panniers instead of the large saddlebag and adding a small seat bag the flex is more pronounced and I wish I had a stiffer frame. Jay at Rivendell, who is a 200+ pounder, started out with a single top tube Sam and latter had a second top tube fillet brazed on. He told me the bike still has the same springy- ness on day rides yet is stiffer laterally when loaded...which sounds just like what I'm looking for when I'm touring on my Sam. I don't have any need for a super stiff touring bike since after 11 years of experimentation I feel totally confident with my ultralight camp gear and would not want a bike that is capable of carrying an elephantine fully loaded touring setup. So this winter I'm stripping my Sam and sending it off to Rivendell to have an undertube added. In that configuration I would have no reservations about riding the Sam and my usual tarptent, quilt, torso sized sleep pad, alcohol stove based gear kit on a trip of any length given the change Jay related in his bike due to it's single to double top tube transformation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne
I can see a second top tube for loaded touring -- or loads, simply. The 56 single tubed SH I owned rode well unladen but was a bit flexy under load. Still, I'd rather have flex under load than excessive stiffness unladen. 170. Odd, but my new SH replacement Herse was too stiff for its two previous owners but suits me just fine. Probably because I am a more powerful rider. Patrick that last statement was a huge joke Moore, since the two previous owners are regular brevet riders. On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:20 AM, Greg gndogg...@gmail.com wrote: I own a 60cm single top tube Sam, '09. Maybe because my main two rides for the last 20 years have been 59cm Ribby's, an RB-1 go-fast and an RB-T commuter/light tourer, The flex of the single top tube Sam feels perfect to me under my 226 lbs. for day riding on paved or gravel roads and overnight inn to inn trips. I start to notice a bit more flex, not yet objectionable, with a large saddlebag, med. basket up front, camping gear from my ultralight backpacking kit and 4 days food. For longer trips with rear panniers instead of the large saddlebag and adding a small seat bag the flex is more pronounced and I wish I had a stiffer frame. Jay at Rivendell, who is a 200+ pounder, started out with a single top tube Sam and latter had a second top tube fillet brazed on. He told me the bike still has the same springy- ness on day rides yet is stiffer laterally when loaded...which sounds just like what I'm looking for when I'm touring on my Sam. I don't have any need for a super stiff touring bike since after 11 years of experimentation I feel totally confident with my ultralight camp gear and would not want a bike that is capable of carrying an elephantine fully loaded touring setup. So this winter I'm stripping my Sam and sending it off to Rivendell to have an undertube added. In that configuration I would have no reservations about riding the Sam and my usual tarptent, quilt, torso sized sleep pad, alcohol stove based gear kit on a trip of any length given the change Jay related in his bike due to it's single to double top tube transformation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS Big Apple Liteskin 26x2.35
Big Apple Liteskin 26x 2.35. Set of 2 tires. These are the Big Apples with the lighter casing, so they weigh less and roll really well. They are lightly used with about 75 road/path miles. The tread is in great shape - the little rubber whisps haven't worn off the front tire yet. See pictures: http://www.flickr.com/photos/27988383@N06/sets/72157626906857546/ $65 (including shipping in CONUS). Paypal. Contact me off list please. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne
Patrick, I believe we can all identify with your situation. Accommodating excess power is a constant struggle. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean :) On Jun 7, 7:59 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I can see a second top tube for loaded touring -- or loads, simply. The 56 single tubed SH I owned rode well unladen but was a bit flexy under load. Still, I'd rather have flex under load than excessive stiffness unladen. 170. Odd, but my new SH replacement Herse was too stiff for its two previous owners but suits me just fine. Probably because I am a more powerful rider. Patrick that last statement was a huge joke Moore, since the two previous owners are regular brevet riders. On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:20 AM, Greg gndogg...@gmail.com wrote: I own a 60cm single top tube Sam, '09. Maybe because my main two rides for the last 20 years have been 59cm Ribby's, an RB-1 go-fast and an RB-T commuter/light tourer, The flex of the single top tube Sam feels perfect to me under my 226 lbs. for day riding on paved or gravel roads and overnight inn to inn trips. I start to notice a bit more flex, not yet objectionable, with a large saddlebag, med. basket up front, camping gear from my ultralight backpacking kit and 4 days food. For longer trips with rear panniers instead of the large saddlebag and adding a small seat bag the flex is more pronounced and I wish I had a stiffer frame. Jay at Rivendell, who is a 200+ pounder, started out with a single top tube Sam and latter had a second top tube fillet brazed on. He told me the bike still has the same springy- ness on day rides yet is stiffer laterally when loaded...which sounds just like what I'm looking for when I'm touring on my Sam. I don't have any need for a super stiff touring bike since after 11 years of experimentation I feel totally confident with my ultralight camp gear and would not want a bike that is capable of carrying an elephantine fully loaded touring setup. So this winter I'm stripping my Sam and sending it off to Rivendell to have an undertube added. In that configuration I would have no reservations about riding the Sam and my usual tarptent, quilt, torso sized sleep pad, alcohol stove based gear kit on a trip of any length given the change Jay related in his bike due to it's single to double top tube transformation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Power Grips
I have a set of black Power Grips that are virtually new. I used them for maybe a mile, but they didn't work for me the way I'd hoped. $20, shipping is on me CONUS. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/UzZnTnlkakVVNEFK. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: can anyone relate--getting older (50) and back into cycling: finding drops not so easy...
I'm about to turn 55, and I still use drops (NItto Dream) on my Atlantis. I keep the bars slightly above my saddle--no back aches, but a little numbness in my hands now and then. I'm planning on changing out the Dream bar to a Nitto Noodle so I can get the top part of the bar closer to me, hoping that it reduces the numbness. I mostly ride on the ramps, and only in the drops when I'm climbing a steep hill. As for getting back in shape, I stopped commuting to work in the fall (in Seattle), started riding my motorcycle to work, then got back on my bike in January, and average about 15 to 16 mph over 16 miles round- trip. Having said that, I used to only get about 10 to 12 mph, and it was very frustrating. I I thought it was because I had just turned 50. But after taking the bike into the shop and having a real bike mechanic (not me) tune it up, it was happy smiles to work and a new appreciate for my '03 Atlantis. Since then, I've taken the bike back to the shop, and had new chainrings and a new 11-34 cassette put on. The bike rides great, and going up hills is almost leisurely (if there is such a thing). You'll be able to go faster with time as you build up endurance. For me, I know I'd be faster if I push myself, and would like to get a little faster going uphill (I average about 7 - 8mph). But I'm not pushing myself much, I'm too busy enjoying the ride and some time to myself. Good luck and enjoy Steve On Jun 6, 8:55 am, canali jwcoll...@hotmail.com wrote: just wondering if it's just me and i need to take my time adding the mileage and being consistent and patient (and getting back into shape) OR do alot of us as we get older no longer find being so bent down as comfortable...thinking of swapping out drops on atlantis for jeff jones h loop bars or the north road bars. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: can anyone relate--getting older (50) and back into cycling: finding drops not so easy...
Yeah, and I like the looks of drops on touring and racing bikes. Kinda superficial reasoning I know, but that's just my opinion. I like having the alternative hand positions as well. Glad you like your Noodle setup. Now that I have my Atlantis' drive train dialed in (after eight years of owning her), I working on dialing in the comfort zone for fit. On Jun 6, 4:00 pm, Mojo gjtra...@yahoo.com wrote: After reading all the replies here by all you old farts, I realized I am one too. Started riding seriously in High School in 1972 on drop bars, the only bar available except on those English Racers. I have a Priest (Riv pre-Albatross) bar on my towny 3 speed (yes an English Racer: 1966 Robin Hood) and a mtn bike bar on my mtn bike, and I tried a Mustache bar on my Allrounder for nearly 3 years. I have always come back to a drop bar, now setup as old farts should near saddle height. Tops, ramps, hoods, drops, that kind of variation speaks to old fart comfort in my view. Continuing in my retrogrouch POV, the Noodle is the best drop bar ever and they are bolted on the rest of my bikes. There is a reasonable chance I will have one in my death grip on that profound day. On Jun 6, 2:50 pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I've ridden done most of my riding with drop bars (for about 40 years now...), most recently with Nitto Mod. 185 bars on my Riv (these are now sold by Rivendell in a lightened version called Mark's Bar) and the original equipment Cinelli Giro D'Italia bars on my Paramount. I don't, however, ride on the drops. The bars are set, in the proper Rivendell manner, at a height relatively level with the saddle. Drop bars provide a number of comfortable hand positions, without using the drops, and I don't feel any particular reason to use the drops. I've also used Mustache bars, but after some time, I decided that they really aren't very comfortable. The most easily used hand position on Mustache bars, riding on the hoods, puts the body in a aero position that I don't like. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Jun 6, 8:55 am, canali jwcoll...@hotmail.com wrote: just wondering if it's just me and i need to take my time adding the mileage and being consistent and patient (and getting back into shape) OR do alot of us as we get older no longer find being so bent down as comfortable...thinking of swapping out drops on atlantis for jeff jones h loop bars or the north road bars.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne
Deal breaker. I'm 180-190 and have one of the original 56 cm canti Sams (nome de guerre: Ramble 'Rounder). Wonderful and plush commuter, but on the heavy and sluggish side for lightly laden rides. I don't see how adding another tube can do anything but further deaden the ride. I've really pushed this bicycle as an enthusiast's bike that can do it all; the commute, the lightly loaded tour or overnighter, the charity ride, the century, the sporty ride with friends (provided you are more fit than they are). Most of my cycling friends, who are not ignorant about bicycling or slavishly race-oriented in their tastes, have been skeptical but willing to consider the benefits of an all 'rounder road bike and they appreciate the lean but strong lines of my Sam. I don't think anyone, however, is going to be convinced that the performance of what was heretofore a stout sport-tourer will be improved by a second top tube. If they need a beefier bike they've got plenty of others to consider that don't have the awkward second tube. The Atlantis comes to mind, the LHT, or the Co-Motion Americano or Nor'- Wester. If they want a livelier and sportier bike the second-tube will confirm that the Sam is not for them. The well-heeled may buy up to the A.H.H. (the single-tubed Sam's upscale analogue), but most will go elsewhere and I'm afraid I'd have to agree with that choice. I think Rivendell is putting out a five-legged chair here. What comes next? A rickshaw? A sidecar for the Chesapeake Bay retriever? This will kill the Sam. D.G. On Jun 5, 12:56 pm, Jay robin...@gmail.com wrote: Does this make any sense in a 56 cm Sam? Should it be a deal breaker? I almost ordered one the other day until I found out all the new one's have the undertube. What does is collective wisdom of this group? BTW I weigh 165 lbs want the bike for commuting and the occasional tour. Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Nitto Campee Front Rack (w/ Removable Pannier Supports)
I saw Jamison's post earlier about wanting to buy a front rack and I reached out to him since I only used mine once and in the process stripped one of the eyelets on my fork. Will probably be a while before I have that fork fixed (terribly busy at work right now) so I thought I'd offer the rack for sale to the list instead of letting it sit around for months as a constant reminder of my poor Romulus. It's virtually new, installed right before my trip, used for 100 miles over four days and then removed immediately. I was thinking $215 shipped w/ Riv's Nitto 12cm bent struts and the standard included struts for brake studs $205 shipped without the Riv Nitto bent struts (but still includes everything you need to install if you have the right fork) Oh, and I'll throw in two snazzy bungies that work perfectly with the small-ish top rack platform and actually make it very useful for carrying stuff. Just let me know if you want them in the red or blue colorway. You can see the rack in action during my camping trip here: * http://tinyurl.com/3fm72ch* PayPal payment preferred. Thanks, Curtis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Nitto Noodles (48cm), Technomic Deluxe stem (10 cm), Cane Creek brake levers
All in really good, lightly used condition. Prices include shipping in CONUSA. Nitto Noodle handlebars (48 cm) -- $50 Technomic Deluxe stem (10 cm) -- $40 Cane Creek SCR-5 drop-bar brake levers (standard size, not for small hands) -- $25 like these: http://tinyurl.com/3t6d3ss Would love to sell these all as a set, so price for set (shipped) is $100. Thanks for looking. -- Forrest (Iowa City) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: can anyone relate--getting older (50) and back into cycling: finding drops not so easy...
Actually a major strike against drops for me is that there isn't enough reach in the flat position. I prefer the extension moustache bars allow in the hood position. I also needed the dirtdrop stem to get my bars high enough (b/c I maybe should've gotten a 66 instead of 64 frame), and I find the moustache/DD combo to be an ideal complementary pair. Being a tall guy with very long arms complicates fit for me, and underscores the complexity of this discussion. It's not that drops suck, they just suck for me, and I'm much more able to find a comfortable, upright position with an option of tucked aero with the moustaches. On Jun 7, 6:45 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 19:39 -0700, Mike S wrote: Noodles came with my Quickbeam and I abhorred the whole crouched over, knees-in-the-chest speedy position. You're describing bad fit, not the way things are supposed to be with drop bars. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne
Deal-breaker? No way. While the undertube may look a bit out of place, I see it as an opportunity to admire some of those pretty lugs. And you've got more of that sparkly orange paint to admire. But, to play devil's advocate: I have a 56cm Tiawanese Sam and am 195 pounds. Aside from frame flex during out-of-the-saddle sprints, my bike is pretty solid without an undertube. Undertube or not, you're going to have an awesome bike with quite a bit of versatility, well worth what Riv is charging for it. On Jun 5, 11:56 am, Jay robin...@gmail.com wrote: Does this make any sense in a 56 cm Sam? Should it be a deal breaker? I almost ordered one the other day until I found out all the new one's have the undertube. What does is collective wisdom of this group? BTW I weigh 165 lbs want the bike for commuting and the occasional tour. Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne
I dont know if it should be, but it actually was a deal breaker for me. I ordered my bike in April and when I called it was my intention to get a 56 Sam. I had it all speced out and when I was told that they were going to have double top tubes, coupled with the fact that they would not take canti brakes anymore, it stopped me in my tracks and by the time I hung up the phone I had ordered an A Homer Hilsen. I was struggling with the choice between the 2 bikes anyway. I dont mind sidepulls but the canti's helped me choose the Sam. That alone would not have changed my mind but the undertube just turned me off to it. Maybe that feeling was unjustified. The thousand dollar savings would have allowed me a fancier build. Had I taken more time to think it through I may have ordered the Sam anyway but I didnt, and I am sure I wont regret the AHH. I sure cant wait for it to arrive. On Jun 5, 2:56 pm, Jay robin...@gmail.com wrote: Does this make any sense in a 56 cm Sam? Should it be a deal breaker? I almost ordered one the other day until I found out all the new one's have the undertube. What does is collective wisdom of this group? BTW I weigh 165 lbs want the bike for commuting and the occasional tour. Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FOR TRADE items: Nitto, Grand Bois, Salsa, Topeak WTB: GB Rando bars
Hello RBW group, I am on the search for some comfortable handlebars. I've been running Nitto Classic B115's and briefly tried Salsa Moto Ace Woodchippers. They are both available for sale or trade. I am looking to trade for or buy a pair of Grand Bois Randonneur bars in good condition OR a pair of 46cm Nitto Noodle bars. Also a 46 Nitto Soba bar would be fine. I'm currently running these on my Rawland Drakkar steel bike with 650b tires. Also have one GB Hetre tire in good condition I could throw in for trade to offset price differences in handlebars. Stats on FOR TRADE ITEMS: 1. Nitto B115 handlebars, 45cm width, 25.4 clamp size, 324 grams, 100mm reach, 140mm drop very good condition 2. Salsa Moto Ace Woodchippers, 42cm, 25.4 clamp, 80mm reach, 110mm drop excellent condition, 3. Grand Bois Hetre tire, black with tan sidewall, approx. 500 miles, 650b x 42, good condition 4. Topeak XLARGE Road Master Blaster pump, excellent condition, NO DENTS 5. Topeak mini Road Morph pump, no pressure gauge, Excellent condition Contact me offline. Thanks. Rod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 03:35, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 20:43 -0700, james black wrote: Why must we dump our freewheels, a technology which in my experience has always performed flawlessly as intended, just because freehubs make for better engineering? One reason might be that freewheels NEVER performed flawlessly. I understand the advantages of cassettes, but let me emphasize the in my experience part of my statement above - I have used freewheels for years personally without any problems. Freehubs may work better, but freewheels have worked pretty well too, at least if you can avoid the factors that lead to problems (like crap IRD freewheels, axle-bending wide spacing, heavily loaded bikes, etc.). There is also a question of economy. Obviously choosing a Phil or White freewheel hub and new IRD freewheels is not a bargain choice; but for us bottomfeeders it is still very easy and inexpensive to acquire a decent freewheel hub and functional freewheel (either an older Suntour or a new production Shimano). I would generally spend more on a freehub setup than I would on a freewheel setup (which I would choose without reservation if I were equipping, for example, a bike with 120mm dropouts and a five-speed cogset). James Black -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] FOR TRADE items: Nitto, Grand Bois, Salsa, Topeak WTB: GB Rando bars
Rod: I may be interested in the Woodchippers. I have a 46 cm Noodle. How do they compare with the Bell Laps, do you know? On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Rod C rodc...@gmail.com wrote: Hello RBW group, I am on the search for some comfortable handlebars. I've been running Nitto Classic B115's and briefly tried Salsa Moto Ace Woodchippers. They are both available for sale or trade. I am looking to trade for or buy a pair of Grand Bois Randonneur bars in good condition OR a pair of 46cm Nitto Noodle bars. Also a 46 Nitto Soba bar would be fine. I'm currently running these on my Rawland Drakkar steel bike with 650b tires. Also have one GB Hetre tire in good condition I could throw in for trade to offset price differences in handlebars. Stats on FOR TRADE ITEMS: 1. Nitto B115 handlebars, 45cm width, 25.4 clamp size, 324 grams, 100mm reach, 140mm drop very good condition 2. Salsa Moto Ace Woodchippers, 42cm, 25.4 clamp, 80mm reach, 110mm drop excellent condition, 3. Grand Bois Hetre tire, black with tan sidewall, approx. 500 miles, 650b x 42, good condition 4. Topeak XLARGE Road Master Blaster pump, excellent condition, NO DENTS 5. Topeak mini Road Morph pump, no pressure gauge, Excellent condition Contact me offline. Thanks. Rod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability
Man i think i'm freaked out enough now by these IRD failures that i need to swap out the one that i have on my SH before my next camping trip... On Jun 7, 12:47 pm, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 03:35, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 20:43 -0700, james black wrote: Why must we dump our freewheels, a technology which in my experience has always performed flawlessly as intended, just because freehubs make for better engineering? One reason might be that freewheels NEVER performed flawlessly. I understand the advantages of cassettes, but let me emphasize the in my experience part of my statement above - I have used freewheels for years personally without any problems. Freehubs may work better, but freewheels have worked pretty well too, at least if you can avoid the factors that lead to problems (like crap IRD freewheels, axle-bending wide spacing, heavily loaded bikes, etc.). There is also a question of economy. Obviously choosing a Phil or White freewheel hub and new IRD freewheels is not a bargain choice; but for us bottomfeeders it is still very easy and inexpensive to acquire a decent freewheel hub and functional freewheel (either an older Suntour or a new production Shimano). I would generally spend more on a freehub setup than I would on a freewheel setup (which I would choose without reservation if I were equipping, for example, a bike with 120mm dropouts and a five-speed cogset). James Black -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne
The double top tube isn't really necessary. I once made a standard tube bike with a very light top tube as an experiment. I'm 6'3 and weighed at the time 210 and I could notice no difference from my other bikes with the same geometry and heavier top tubes. It's loaded in compression and doesn't need to be real heavy. It just locates the head and seat tubes the correct distance from each other. Phil Brown -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Touring Gear
Well, I couldn't sell my 59cm custom. So I'm offering the touring accessories that I was planning to sell with it separately. This is (deluxe!) gear that I've bought in the past 7 or so years, but for one reason or another never used on a tour. That is, the stuff may be used in the sense that it has been tried out on a short ride, but never used hard, and shows no or very little signs of wear. Prices include USPS Priority Mail shipping to lower 48 USA. Berthoud Frontbag (basic) WITH rack and decaleur -- $170 Berthoud SS fenders, struts, hardware (no flap), will fit 700C up to 35mm (probably more) -- $ 35 Tubus Logo rear rack with taillight -- $ 110 Ortlieb front roller classic bags, red (really like new!) -- $ 105 Picture (group shot) at http://www.flickr.com/photos/11901252@N06/sets/72157626820508070 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] inspirational wheelchairs: RBW charity
RBW is now supporting two charities: The Fistula Foundation Whirlwind Wheelchair. I work in a rehabilitation hospital, and have observed the relatively poor technology and repairability of our wheelchairs. I find Whirlwind Wheelchairs inspirational, from social and a technological perspectives. Have a look: *youtube: http://tinyurl.com/5tszydg* *Whirlwind web site: http://tinyurl.com/5v6w83p* Best, Larry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/eERzLXNBc2RkcmNK. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS Big Apple Liteskin 26x2.35
Sold On Jun 7, 9:20 am, stevep33 steve...@gmail.com wrote: Big Apple Liteskin 26x 2.35. Set of 2 tires. These are the Big Apples with the lighter casing, so they weigh less and roll really well. They are lightly used with about 75 road/path miles. The tread is in great shape - the little rubber whisps haven't worn off the front tire yet. See pictures:http://www.flickr.com/photos/27988383@N06/sets/72157626906857546/ $65 (including shipping in CONUS). Paypal. Contact me off list please. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:34, John Vu j...@jhvu.com wrote: I love my freewheel stuff but I'm not sure you can really say it's cheaper to use them. I don't think I can claim it's cheaper to use freewheels, but it can be cheap. The last wheelset I built last year was on a NOS pair of Sunshine high-flange hubs that I got on eBay for about $15 and a NOS Suntour five-speed freewheel for about $10 on eBay. If today I set out to build something like a 130mm OLD 7-speed Shimano freehub wheelset, I would likely spend more than that for the hubs and cassette. I see the freewheel system as analogous to the quill stem - technological improvements have supplanted it in the mainstream market, but not rendered it worthless or any less useful than it was 20 years ago. James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 13:29 -0700, james black wrote: I see the freewheel system as analogous to the quill stem - technological improvements have supplanted it in the mainstream market, but not rendered it worthless or any less useful than it was 20 years ago. Except that with stems it's quill length and diameter, extension and bar diameter that matter, and as long as those remain available in sizes you need, you're good to go; but with freewheels, it's threading and gear choices. If you need English threading, you're good in that respect -- but most of the gearing choices are long gone. The cog board is gone. What you have today is very, very limited. If gearing choices don't matter to you, fine; and if you happen to be a real genuine fan of 14-28 Alpine, then God bless you - some long winter's evening maybe you can explain to me how the shifting pattern works, and who knows, long about the 4th or 5th hot toddy I might actually get it. Otherwise, you are so out of luck. But if you aren't a gear freak, and this isn't the Classic Rendezvous list where Period Correct is God, why are you messing around with freewheels? Bottom feeding? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 13:52, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: If gearing choices don't matter to you, fine; and if you happen to be a real genuine fan of 14-28 Alpine, then God bless you - some long winter's evening maybe you can explain to me how the shifting pattern works, and who knows, long about the 4th or 5th hot toddy I might actually get it. Otherwise, you are so out of luck. You have outlined a pretty weird drinking game there. Actually I do like the 14-28 five-speed - you can make a nice halfstep with it and it has a good range, but I also have found from my recent experience with half-step that I don't need the fine steps between gears that halfstep provides. I would rather have more substantial jumps between gears, especially after riding fixed gear for a long time, the fine gear steps seem irrelevant as I am willing and able to pedal at different cadences. Also, bottom feeding - by that I mean that I have boxes of take-off bike parts from the several UJBs I have purchased over the years, including old wheelsets and various barely used 14-28 five-speed freewheels. They aren't garbage, they work fine. But on my last wheelbuild, I messed around with freewheels because it was a direct way to get a multi-gear drivetrain with some elegant high flange hubs on a bike with 126mm dropout spacing. And I would do it again! When I put that rSogn together, on the other hand, I will use NOS Shimano Deore DX freehubs with a 7-speed hyperglide cassette. James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability
THis is a pretty funny conversation all out. I think the big difference (for me) is between using quill stems and freewheel hubs on brand new bikes. I don't get it at all. Even worse (to me) is speccing quills and freewheel hubs on a new bike. Outside of this, I get it, have fun riding. Inside of this, I don't get it, but have fun riding. Inside of a dog, it is too dark to read. Tarik On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 13:29 -0700, james black wrote: I see the freewheel system as analogous to the quill stem - technological improvements have supplanted it in the mainstream market, but not rendered it worthless or any less useful than it was 20 years ago. Except that with stems it's quill length and diameter, extension and bar diameter that matter, and as long as those remain available in sizes you need, you're good to go; but with freewheels, it's threading and gear choices. If you need English threading, you're good in that respect -- but most of the gearing choices are long gone. The cog board is gone. What you have today is very, very limited. If gearing choices don't matter to you, fine; and if you happen to be a real genuine fan of 14-28 Alpine, then God bless you - some long winter's evening maybe you can explain to me how the shifting pattern works, and who knows, long about the 4th or 5th hot toddy I might actually get it. Otherwise, you are so out of luck. But if you aren't a gear freak, and this isn't the Classic Rendezvous list where Period Correct is God, why are you messing around with freewheels? Bottom feeding? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Tarik Saleh tas at tariksaleh dot com in los alamos, po box 208, 87544 http://tariksaleh.com all sorts of bikes blog: http://tsaleh.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne
As people have pointed out, there are valid reasons for wanting the undertube and there are valid reasons for not wanting the undertube. I think it basically comes down to this: If you like it, get it and if you don't like it, don't get it. That may sound too simple but you are one who is going to be riding it and why spend that much money on something you don't love? If not, save your pennies and get the AHH. Is there someone in your area who has one so you can see it in person? take it for a spin? That might make the decision for you. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] So Cal July 10 - Three Speed River and Sea ride
Good times are heading your way, people. Noel (who does know how to post to this group BTW) is putting together a real nice ride. 35 miles through coastal Orange County. Should be a perfect route. Conversation here on the flickr: http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_society/discuss/72157626313116172/ And original posting on the SoCal 3 speed tour site: http://www.threespeedtouringclub.com/riverandseadaytour.htm All bikes and riders are encouraged to show and go for a ride. One to 30 gears allowed (sorry 31 speeders). Be there or be L7. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] OT: Road Conditions near Tahoe
I'm wondering if anyone can comment on the condition of soda springs rd from soda springs down to foresthill/mosquito ridge area. I'm hoping to ride this with a few folks the weekend after next, and all the reports I can get are fairly spotty. Any local knowledge would be much appreciated. Thanks! erik -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: So Cal July 10 - Three Speed River and Sea ride
Ill be in town that weekendnow which bike to bring... hmm -Andy On Jun 7, 3:24 pm, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Good times are heading your way, people. Noel (who does know how to post to this group BTW) is putting together a real nice ride. 35 miles through coastal Orange County. Should be a perfect route. Conversation here on the flickr:http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_apprec... And original posting on the SoCal 3 speed tour site:http://www.threespeedtouringclub.com/riverandseadaytour.htm All bikes and riders are encouraged to show and go for a ride. One to 30 gears allowed (sorry 31 speeders). Be there or be L7. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: So Cal July 10 - Three Speed River and Sea ride
Who is this Andy person, anyway...? On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Andy.M andy.e.m...@gmail.com wrote: Ill be in town that weekendnow which bike to bring... hmm -Andy On Jun 7, 3:24 pm, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Good times are heading your way, people. Noel (who does know how to post to this group BTW) is putting together a real nice ride. 35 miles through coastal Orange County. Should be a perfect route. Conversation here on the flickr: http://www.flickr.mud.yahoo.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_apprec... And original posting on the SoCal 3 speed tour site: http://www.threespeedtouringclub.com/riverandseadaytour.htm All bikes and riders are encouraged to show and go for a ride. One to 30 gears allowed (sorry 31 speeders). Be there or be L7. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne
The top tube is loaded in more than just compression. Back in the '80's a Caltrans engineer named Rick Jorgensen did some FIA on frames, and determined that the top tube is loaded in torsion. Imagine removing the down tube from a frame. The force of pedaling would make the seat tube want to deflect sideways, out of plane with the head tube. That force would be seen as twisting by the top tube. The same mechanism holds when the down tube is present. That twisting mode of the frame is why I tend to think that the 'diagatube' design is actually a structural improvement over the parallel undertube. The middle of the seat tube is a great place for the extra tube to try to resist twisting. The 'marathion' tube in some tandem designs works the same way which is why Jorgensen included them in the Tango tandem frames he built. A 56 Sam is too big for me, so it's really moot, but I'd regard the extra tube as overkill for me and the way I would use a Sam. I'm actually going the other way, with a 650b Rawland Sogn built with light .8/.5/.8 tubes and a 1 top tube. I've never owned bike that I thought was too flexible. I also don't generally carry heavy touring loads. Bill On Jun 7, 10:55 am, Phil Brown philcyc...@gmail.com wrote: The double top tube isn't really necessary. I once made a standard tube bike with a very light top tube as an experiment. I'm 6'3 and weighed at the time 210 and I could notice no difference from my other bikes with the same geometry and heavier top tubes. It's loaded in compression and doesn't need to be real heavy. It just locates the head and seat tubes the correct distance from each other. Phil Brown -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] FS: Touring Gear
Hi, Tim- I'll be happy to take the berthoud bag, rack and decaleur for 170. Been looking for such a etup for my ebisu. Let me know about payment- paypal ok? Thanks- Robert McAndrews On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Tim Smith tssm...@sonic.net wrote: Well, I couldn't sell my 59cm custom. So I'm offering the touring accessories that I was planning to sell with it separately. This is (deluxe!) gear that I've bought in the past 7 or so years, but for one reason or another never used on a tour. That is, the stuff may be used in the sense that it has been tried out on a short ride, but never used hard, and shows no or very little signs of wear. Prices include USPS Priority Mail shipping to lower 48 USA. Berthoud Frontbag (basic) WITH rack and decaleur -- $170 Berthoud SS fenders, struts, hardware (no flap), will fit 700C up to 35mm (probably more) -- $ 35 Tubus Logo rear rack with taillight -- $ 110 Ortlieb front roller classic bags, red (really like new!) -- $ 105 Picture (group shot) at http://www.flickr.com/photos/11901252@N06/sets/72157626820508070 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Touring Gear
interested in the front rollers...colour...condition? joe jwcoll...@hotmail.com Tim Smith wrote: Well, I couldn't sell my 59cm custom. So I'm offering the touring accessories that I was planning to sell with it separately. This is (deluxe!) gear that I've bought in the past 7 or so years, but for one reason or another never used on a tour. That is, the stuff may be used in the sense that it has been tried out on a short ride, but never used hard, and shows no or very little signs of wear. Prices include USPS Priority Mail shipping to lower 48 USA. Berthoud Frontbag (basic) WITH rack and decaleur -- $170 Berthoud SS fenders, struts, hardware (no flap), will fit 700C up to 35mm (probably more) -- $ 35 Tubus Logo rear rack with taillight -- $ 110 Ortlieb front roller classic bags, red (really like new!) -- $ 105 Picture (group shot) at http://www.flickr.com/photos/11901252@N06/sets/72157626820508070 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Nitto Touring Bar on Atlantis - First impressions...
I just installed the Nitto Touring Bar aka Butterfly or Trekking bar on my Atlantis and rode it for the first time today on my Bike/Caltrain commute to work. I'm trying to find a bar that will allow me to ride comfortably with no neck pain and after having used the 48cm Noodles, Albatross and the Moustache Bars with mixed success, I decided to explore the concept of the Trekking bars. I mounted the bars on a Nitto Dirt Drop 25.4/10cm stem to avoid using shims. After checking out several configuration options online, I opted to go for a variation of the standard setup to get started. Brake levers on the ends of the bars (section closest to the rider and to keep it clean, mounted my bar-end shifters on Paul's Thumbies that I mounted on the vertical section of the stem. I debated on mounting the brake levers on the front like you do on M-bars, but since the fronts are flatter, I wasn't sure I would like pulling on the lever on that position. I might still try it, but for now decided to try the default brake lever position on the bars. I haven't taped them and won't until I'm sure that is the way I want to keep them. First impressions are: - Surprisingly comfortable after fine tuning the height of the bars and rotating them so the are almost parallel to the ground. May still tweak that a little bit, but I've almost got it close to perfect by the time I came home in the evening. Bar height for me is similar to the recommended M-bar setup, front of the bar higher than the saddle and ends are basically level with the top of the saddle. - Extremely well handling of the bike, particularly on turns. While it always felt as if I had to somehow work the turns being careful not to over/under do it with the Noodle bars, with the Touring bars the turns were effortless and very cool. No matter if I had my hands on the front or on the rear, making the bike turn was incredibly smooth and felt amazing. Perhaps it's due to their increased width over the Noodles, perhaps it's just the overall fit that improves the handling so much, at least for me. - Standing on the pedals to climb makes it very easy to hit the bar with the legs, but it's easy to get around it by slightly turning the body when dancing on the pedals instead of pushing the bike sideways. I only do it for short stretches so it's not a big deal for me, but it's definitely not a bar you would choose if you stood on your pedals often. - There is just a hint of flexibility on the bar that makes it extremely comfortable on rough stuff, especially when riding it upright with your hands on the closest sections of the bars where the brakes are. After I had rotated the bar forward, the position was very comfortable and much to my surprise, I realized that I didn't develop any shoulder/neck pain at all. Later in the evening I could feel some tightness on my neck, but I had had no discomfort at all during the ride, even though I pushed it hard for a bit. When riding hard, the hands fall naturally on the angle between the front and side sections and it's quite comfortable. I'm wondering if I'll prefer the brake levers there, but so far I think I'm going to leave them where they are. It seems you want the hands on the brakes when riding at slow speeds in traffic when you're upright, rather than when you're stretched in the forward position for faster riding. Still, I'm not so sure so I'll probably try some levers on the front section at some point. The brake levers I put are the Tektro FL750 City Brake Levers and I got them from VO. They seem a perfect fit for these bars in the current position, as if designed purposely for it. More feedback to come, but in the meantime you can check some pictures here: http://tinyurl.com/3ur7e7m René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Nitto Touring Bar on Atlantis - First impressions...
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: - Standing on the pedals to climb makes it very easy to hit the bar with the legs, but it's easy to get around it by slightly turning the body when dancing on the pedals instead of pushing the bike sideways. I only do it for short stretches so it's not a big deal for me, but it's definitely not a bar you would choose if you stood on your pedals often. - There is just a hint of flexibility on the bar that makes it extremely comfortable on rough stuff, especially when riding it upright with your hands on the closest sections of the bars where the brakes are. After I had rotated the bar forward, the position was very comfortable and much to my surprise, I realized that I didn't develop any shoulder/neck pain at all. Later in the evening I could feel some tightness on my neck, but I had had no discomfort at all during the ride, even though I pushed it hard for a bit. When riding hard, the hands fall naturally on the angle between the front and side sections and it's quite comfortable. I'm wondering if I'll prefer the brake levers there, but so far I think I'm going to leave them where they are. It seems you want the hands on the brakes when riding at slow speeds in traffic when you're upright, rather than when you're stretched in the forward position for faster riding. Still, I'm not so sure so I'll probably try some levers on the front section at some point. The brake levers I put are the Tektro FL750 City Brake Levers and I got them from VO. They seem a perfect fit for these bars in the current position, as if designed purposely for it. More feedback to come, but in the meantime you can check some pictures here: http://tinyurl.com/3ur7e7m Those bars look great! Maybe I'll think about a set for the bike friday tandem. Seems like the perfect place for needing more control and not really ever needing to get out of the saddle to pedal. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability
I've never ridden a bike that wasn't equipped with anything other than a freewheel. Given that fact, I'd have to say if I was purchasing a new Rivendell, or whatever, today it would be fitted with a cassette hub. The freewheels that I'm presently using are all either SunTour Winner Pro or Sachs and they've performed perfectly. I've never experienced any problems using (or removing) a freewheel with the exception of one crummy Regina freewheel which developed a fracture in the body of the freewheel (fortunately discovered before I had a breakdown on the road). Regina freewheels were, in my opinion, never very good and they're now appropriately relegated to period correct restorations of collector bikes made until the late 1970's. I do think that bottom feeding is a totally sensible activity. I've also got boxes of NOS freewheels and other parts that I've accumulated over the years. I'll continue using them for the foreseeable future. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Jun 7, 2:15 pm, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 13:52, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: If gearing choices don't matter to you, fine; and if you happen to be a real genuine fan of 14-28 Alpine, then God bless you - some long winter's evening maybe you can explain to me how the shifting pattern works, and who knows, long about the 4th or 5th hot toddy I might actually get it. Otherwise, you are so out of luck. You have outlined a pretty weird drinking game there. Actually I do like the 14-28 five-speed - you can make a nice halfstep with it and it has a good range, but I also have found from my recent experience with half-step that I don't need the fine steps between gears that halfstep provides. I would rather have more substantial jumps between gears, especially after riding fixed gear for a long time, the fine gear steps seem irrelevant as I am willing and able to pedal at different cadences. Also, bottom feeding - by that I mean that I have boxes of take-off bike parts from the several UJBs I have purchased over the years, including old wheelsets and various barely used 14-28 five-speed freewheels. They aren't garbage, they work fine. But on my last wheelbuild, I messed around with freewheels because it was a direct way to get a multi-gear drivetrain with some elegant high flange hubs on a bike with 126mm dropout spacing. And I would do it again! When I put that rSogn together, on the other hand, I will use NOS Shimano Deore DX freehubs with a 7-speed hyperglide cassette. James Black Los Angeles, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Nitto Touring Bar on Atlantis - First impressions...
I notice something interesting on the fork crown of Rene's Atlantis. It makes the bike look more like The Bomb. And it makes me feel more excited about my decision to have the mounts added to the crown of my own Atlantis that is out for repaint and that I'm eagerly awaiting. -Jim W. On Jun 7, 2011, at 10:08 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: - Standing on the pedals to climb makes it very easy to hit the bar with the legs, but it's easy to get around it by slightly turning the body when dancing on the pedals instead of pushing the bike sideways. I only do it for short stretches so it's not a big deal for me, but it's definitely not a bar you would choose if you stood on your pedals often. - There is just a hint of flexibility on the bar that makes it extremely comfortable on rough stuff, especially when riding it upright with your hands on the closest sections of the bars where the brakes are. After I had rotated the bar forward, the position was very comfortable and much to my surprise, I realized that I didn't develop any shoulder/neck pain at all. Later in the evening I could feel some tightness on my neck, but I had had no discomfort at all during the ride, even though I pushed it hard for a bit. When riding hard, the hands fall naturally on the angle between the front and side sections and it's quite comfortable. I'm wondering if I'll prefer the brake levers there, but so far I think I'm going to leave them where they are. It seems you want the hands on the brakes when riding at slow speeds in traffic when you're upright, rather than when you're stretched in the forward position for faster riding. Still, I'm not so sure so I'll probably try some levers on the front section at some point. The brake levers I put are the Tektro FL750 City Brake Levers and I got them from VO. They seem a perfect fit for these bars in the current position, as if designed purposely for it. More feedback to come, but in the meantime you can check some pictures here: http://tinyurl.com/3ur7e7m Those bars look great! Maybe I'll think about a set for the bike friday tandem. Seems like the perfect place for needing more control and not really ever needing to get out of the saddle to pedal. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Nitto Touring Bar on Atlantis - First impressions...
That's a good eye! I requested all the mounts on my Atlantis fork that I had on the Bombadil fork when I ordered it. How long is it taking to have yours repainted and the brazeons added? Rene Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jun 7, 2011, at 10:16 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I notice something interesting on the fork crown of Rene's Atlantis. It makes the bike look more like The Bomb. And it makes me feel more excited about my decision to have the mounts added to the crown of my own Atlantis that is out for repaint and that I'm eagerly awaiting. -Jim W. On Jun 7, 2011, at 10:08 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: - Standing on the pedals to climb makes it very easy to hit the bar with the legs, but it's easy to get around it by slightly turning the body when dancing on the pedals instead of pushing the bike sideways. I only do it for short stretches so it's not a big deal for me, but it's definitely not a bar you would choose if you stood on your pedals often. - There is just a hint of flexibility on the bar that makes it extremely comfortable on rough stuff, especially when riding it upright with your hands on the closest sections of the bars where the brakes are. After I had rotated the bar forward, the position was very comfortable and much to my surprise, I realized that I didn't develop any shoulder/neck pain at all. Later in the evening I could feel some tightness on my neck, but I had had no discomfort at all during the ride, even though I pushed it hard for a bit. When riding hard, the hands fall naturally on the angle between the front and side sections and it's quite comfortable. I'm wondering if I'll prefer the brake levers there, but so far I think I'm going to leave them where they are. It seems you want the hands on the brakes when riding at slow speeds in traffic when you're upright, rather than when you're stretched in the forward position for faster riding. Still, I'm not so sure so I'll probably try some levers on the front section at some point. The brake levers I put are the Tektro FL750 City Brake Levers and I got them from VO. They seem a perfect fit for these bars in the current position, as if designed purposely for it. More feedback to come, but in the meantime you can check some pictures here: http://tinyurl.com/3ur7e7m Those bars look great! Maybe I'll think about a set for the bike friday tandem. Seems like the perfect place for needing more control and not really ever needing to get out of the saddle to pedal. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Nitto Touring Bar on Atlantis - First impressions...
I dropped it off on April 6th or so, and I think it will be ready this week or next. I'm getting a kickstand plate added, mini-rack braze-ons front and rear, and the front rack mounts on the fork crown. It's my 2001 Atlantis's 10th Anniversery Upgrade. -Jim W. On Jun 7, 2011, at 10:22 PM, Rene Sterental wrote: That's a good eye! I requested all the mounts on my Atlantis fork that I had on the Bombadil fork when I ordered it. How long is it taking to have yours repainted and the brazeons added? Rene Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jun 7, 2011, at 10:16 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: I notice something interesting on the fork crown of Rene's Atlantis. It makes the bike look more like The Bomb. And it makes me feel more excited about my decision to have the mounts added to the crown of my own Atlantis that is out for repaint and that I'm eagerly awaiting. -Jim W. On Jun 7, 2011, at 10:08 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: - Standing on the pedals to climb makes it very easy to hit the bar with the legs, but it's easy to get around it by slightly turning the body when dancing on the pedals instead of pushing the bike sideways. I only do it for short stretches so it's not a big deal for me, but it's definitely not a bar you would choose if you stood on your pedals often. - There is just a hint of flexibility on the bar that makes it extremely comfortable on rough stuff, especially when riding it upright with your hands on the closest sections of the bars where the brakes are. After I had rotated the bar forward, the position was very comfortable and much to my surprise, I realized that I didn't develop any shoulder/neck pain at all. Later in the evening I could feel some tightness on my neck, but I had had no discomfort at all during the ride, even though I pushed it hard for a bit. When riding hard, the hands fall naturally on the angle between the front and side sections and it's quite comfortable. I'm wondering if I'll prefer the brake levers there, but so far I think I'm going to leave them where they are. It seems you want the hands on the brakes when riding at slow speeds in traffic when you're upright, rather than when you're stretched in the forward position for faster riding. Still, I'm not so sure so I'll probably try some levers on the front section at some point. The brake levers I put are the Tektro FL750 City Brake Levers and I got them from VO. They seem a perfect fit for these bars in the current position, as if designed purposely for it. More feedback to come, but in the meantime you can check some pictures here: http://tinyurl.com/3ur7e7m Those bars look great! Maybe I'll think about a set for the bike friday tandem. Seems like the perfect place for needing more control and not really ever needing to get out of the saddle to pedal. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
