Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Branding

2011-08-04 Thread Rex Kerr
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Ediblestarfish 
 wrote:

> This reminds me, I've gotten a couple comments about the nice Schwinn I'm
> riding.


If it's built by Waterford, could it still claim a little bit of Schwinn
heritage? :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: 26 vs 29...thought I knew which side I was on.

2011-08-04 Thread cyclotourist
Yes, and/or real steep HT/ST angles to get the tires to fit.  Same as any
700C bike in small sizes, but then exaggerated with the larger tires.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Michael_S 
> wrote:
>
> >  So when 29er's came on the scene, I tried a Haro Mary hardtail and I was
> > quickly converted, The speed you can carry on the downhills, the
> increased
> > security in the corners. In fact I no longer wanted or needed rear
> > suspension.
>
> Are you 29er fans tall? I ask because I'm perfectly willing to believe
> a 29 inch wheel has all the characteristics Michael says it does, but
> doesn't it also have terrible toe clip overlap in smaller sizes?
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Re: [RBW] Re: 26 vs 29...thought I knew which side I was on.

2011-08-04 Thread Anne Paulson
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Michael_S  wrote:

>  So when 29er's came on the scene, I tried a Haro Mary hardtail and I was
> quickly converted, The speed you can carry on the downhills, the increased
> security in the corners. In fact I no longer wanted or needed rear
> suspension.

Are you 29er fans tall? I ask because I'm perfectly willing to believe
a 29 inch wheel has all the characteristics Michael says it does, but
doesn't it also have terrible toe clip overlap in smaller sizes?

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[RBW] Re: Climbing and the consequences

2011-08-04 Thread Amit Singh
Congrats Dude.  You've got some serious leg pumping endurance to maintain a 3 
hour uphill battle. After you finish something like that it helps to put things 
into perspective. Previous mountains become hills and hills become flat-ish fun.

Keep the good energy flowing, legs pumping and photos coming.

Definitely enjoyed this story. Thanks for sharing it.

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[RBW] WTB: quill stem with high rise and short reach, 26.0mm clamp

2011-08-04 Thread Karl Fundenberger
Looking for a used quill stem - the more scratches, the better. Let me
know what you have. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: For Sale Riv Items

2011-08-04 Thread Rick
Sackville Medium SaddleSack has been sold.

On Aug 4, 9:31 am, Rick  wrote:
> Handlebar combination:
> Nitto Albatross handlebars mounted to 12cm Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem
> with Miesha Cork grips and Tektro MTB brake levers and cables. $125
>
> Sackville TrunkSack small grid gray, new condition, $100
>
> Sackville Medium SaddleSack grid gray, almost new condition, $130.
>
> Let me know if anyone is interested in these items.
>
> Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Riv Branding

2011-08-04 Thread Ediblestarfish
This reminds me, I've gotten a couple comments about the nice Schwinn I'm 
riding.  They of course did a double, or tripple take when trying to read A. 
Homer Hilsen on the side, trying to see what it really was.  I just grinned 
and thanked them.

I would not have minded pointing out it was a Rivendell, but there's not a 
single decently sized logo for them to see more than a foot away.  It's kind 
of like, reverse psychology branding.  They don't know what it is, so they 
are more interested.

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[RBW] Re: Spotted a beautiful custom paint Sam Hill at RBW today

2011-08-04 Thread danmc
What did they call the color? Was thinking about a Betty Foy for the
SO but she is more partial to green than blue.



On Aug 3, 9:08 pm, danmc  wrote:
> Very happy new owner getting outfitted for trip from SF to Inverness
> in Marin this weekend. The color was a deep blue with a touch of
> green. The bike looked great! Should have snapped a picture but maybe
> someone at RBW HQ did?
>
> Always a great visit. Offers to share lunch and lots of great bikes.
> Got the headset spacers I need to keep moving on the Heron Wayfarer
> rebirth - thanks Mark!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv Romulus Canti

2011-08-04 Thread geosat
http://www.flickr.com/photos/40467222@N02/5380244097/

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[RBW] Re: For Sale Riv Items

2011-08-04 Thread Rick
It looks like the Saddlesack is sold. Everything else is still
available.

On Aug 4, 6:46 pm, Abcyclehank  wrote:
> Are any of these still available?  Have not had a response off line.
>
> On Aug 4, 9:31 am, Rick  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Handlebar combination:
> > Nitto Albatross handlebars mounted to 12cm Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem
> > with Miesha Cork grips and Tektro MTB brake levers and cables. $125
>
> > Sackville TrunkSack small grid gray, new condition, $100
>
> > Sackville Medium SaddleSack grid gray, almost new condition, $130.
>
> > Let me know if anyone is interested in these items.
>
> > Thanks

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[RBW] Re: 26 vs 29...thought I knew which side I was on.

2011-08-04 Thread Michael_S
I  have ridden mountain bikes from inception, circa 1983. I rode my road 
bike off road in the late '70's before the MTB came to be on the national 
level but there just weren't the 700c tires available to do more technical 
terrain. So I switched and rode MTB's almost exclusively.
Rigid bikes with 26"  1.8" knobbies (45mm) were great for all terrain. I 
raced off and on for 10 years. Hard tails, full suspension, I rode at least 
10 different 26" mountain bikes. 
 So when 29er's came on the scene, I tried a Haro Mary hardtail and I was 
quickly converted, The speed you can carry on the downhills, the increased 
security in the corners. In fact I no longer wanted or needed rear 
suspension. 
Now I'm back to those fab "80's with 45mm knobbies except now I'm on 700c 
tires and having a blast.
 
~mike

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[RBW] Measurements wanted: anyone have a size L or XL WoolyWarm Sargeant sweater?

2011-08-04 Thread Anne Paulson
I'm thinking about ordering one of those  Woolywarm Sargeant sweaters
for my son, but he's 6'4", so I'm not sure if it would be long enough.
Anyone have such a sweater, who could give me the length from back
neck to hem?

I'm not sure why Rivendell picked that spelling, but whatever.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW

2011-08-04 Thread Jim Mather
I know you meant the other Jim, but it's harder than Tam. It's also
1,400 ft higher.

I'm out of town on business that week. Darn job gets in the way of so
much good riding.

Jim m
WC ca

On 8/4/11, Ray Shine  wrote:
> Jim -- How's it compare to climbing Tam from fairfax?
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: CycloFiend 
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
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> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW
>
> on 8/3/11 10:08 PM, Joe Bunik at jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> 3000' mark on Diablo via North Gate Rd. I don't know the exact
>> measurements, but had thought D. is generally a continual 8-10%? It's
>> a climb, but not the worst thing ever either, IMO.
>
> It's been a while since I went up North Gate Rd, but it didn't seem like a
> continual 8-10%.  Maybe a steeper pitch here and there, but it's a moderate
> and climbable road for the most part.  5-6% seems more correct.
>
> But, hey, I live in the West Bay... and the last time I went up it was -
> yikes - 2007.
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/wknd2007/index.htm
>
> - J
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Re: [RBW] Fishy Betty

2011-08-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Bravo for this and kudos to both buyer and G.



On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:45 PM, grant  wrote:
> The craigslist "antique" one.here's the latest, kind of
> interesting-
>
> One of our customers contacted the guy, had planned to buy the bike
> for as little as possible. Expected to meet him on the street down by
> the corner near the liquor store, but one surprise after another, and
> all good:
>
> -- the guy met him at his (the guy's, the seller's) place-o-bizness
> -- guy seemed normal, nice, forthcoming, not shyster-like or the least
> bit shady
> -- seller took the bike with some other stuff as payment for work
> performed...when the woman couldn't pay. He said she was crying when
> she dropped off bike etc.
>
> We have the serial number and some particulars. The bike was bought
> from us (not from one of our five dealers), and we'll try to track it
> down. I think we'll be able to.
>
> The repurchase price was $600.
>
> If we can track down the original buyer, the rebuyer---who is, like,
> the nicest kindest guy you'll ever meet---has offfered to take the
> loss and return the bike, but of course we won't let that happen. If
> he's able to return the bike, we'll cover him for it and toss in a bit-
> o-reward in the deal, and then the woman gets her B back.
>
> If we can't make that happen---for whatever reason -- then he'll keep
> the bike.
>
> If after that, the original owner comes forth, we'll work out some
> happy thing for her.
>
> On a side note, I contacted WDC police. told them we might have a
> thief (turns out we didn't...unless he's supercon guy)-- and they
> said, "We don't do that. Contact the FBI." Whoa.
>
> May have an update, not sure. later.
>
> Grant
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[RBW] Re: Fishy Betty

2011-08-04 Thread Leslie
On Thursday, August 4, 2011 9:25:33 PM UTC-4, Geoff wrote:
>
> Grant,
> 3)  One very tiny point taken for your Harry Potter movie spoiler.  LOL
> Kudos to you, Grant!  
>

Does that mean that Rivendell is now the 5th house at Hogwarts? 

Can Rivendell be given points back, then?

(Is it bad that I'm mixing the two??)


: )

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[RBW] Re: S36O Minnesota to Wisconsin

2011-08-04 Thread Michael_S
very cool weekend ride Eric. looks like you all had a great time.
 
~mike

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[RBW] Re: Fishy Betty

2011-08-04 Thread Scotty
This is a great story. Given the nature of the situation, someone giving up 
their bike over financial difficulty, I would not be disapointed if she was 
kept anonymous. I am sure i dont even have to say it but it may be pretty 
embarrasing to her. It is a touching story of generousity and I hope you 
keep us posted on how this all pans out.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW

2011-08-04 Thread Ray Shine
Jim -- How's it compare to climbing Tam from fairfax?





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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW

on 8/3/11 10:08 PM, Joe Bunik at jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

> 3000' mark on Diablo via North Gate Rd. I don't know the exact
> measurements, but had thought D. is generally a continual 8-10%? It's
> a climb, but not the worst thing ever either, IMO.

It's been a while since I went up North Gate Rd, but it didn't seem like a
continual 8-10%.  Maybe a steeper pitch here and there, but it's a moderate
and climbable road for the most part.  5-6% seems more correct.

But, hey, I live in the West Bay... and the last time I went up it was -
yikes - 2007.  

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/wknd2007/index.htm

- J


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[RBW] Re: Fishy Betty

2011-08-04 Thread Geoff
Grant,

Just a few comments-

1)  Words can't adequately express just what an amazingly kind and decent 
thing it is that you're doing here.

2)  I hope that everything works out well for both the seller and the woman 
who gave her Betty to compensate the man for his work when she couldn't pay.

3)  One very tiny point taken for your Harry Potter movie spoiler.  LOL

Kudos to you, Grant!  

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Re: [RBW] Fishy Betty

2011-08-04 Thread Geoff
Dave,

I agree; this is definitely "Rivendell Reader" material.  =)

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[RBW] Re: Fishy Betty

2011-08-04 Thread islaysteve
Grant, First of all, this is incredibly kind and generous of you.  i just 
wanted to address the last comment about your call to the 'WDC police".  If 
by that you mean the Washington DC police, I believe that the ad was placed 
in Virginia.  I can't find the original CL post, but it was one of the 
counties like Prince William or Loudon.  If I were pursuing this, I would 
look up that PD and call; ask them if they have a stolen bicycle unit or an 
officer assigned, then speak to them.  Might get better results, just a 
suggestion.  Good luck in getting to the bottom of this. Steve

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Re: [RBW] Spotted a beautiful custom paint Sam Hill at RBW today

2011-08-04 Thread Zack
oh wait!

just re-read the original post.  that isn't mine, although mine is the same 
thing (dark dark blue paint job).  thought I read that OP was getting 
outfitted.  Either way, i am happy my Sam is there and getting built 
tomorrow :-)

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Re: [RBW] Spotted a beautiful custom paint Sam Hill at RBW today

2011-08-04 Thread Zack
I am in Burlington.  I don't think I'll have my Sam by the time you are 
here, should be the week after.

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[RBW] Re: Fishy Betty

2011-08-04 Thread Joe Bernard
Y'all are clearly nicer than me. I can live with that.
 
Joe "you kids get off my lawn" Bernard
Fairfield, CA.

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[RBW] Re: For Sale Riv Items

2011-08-04 Thread Abcyclehank
Are any of these still available?  Have not had a response off line.


On Aug 4, 9:31 am, Rick  wrote:
> Handlebar combination:
> Nitto Albatross handlebars mounted to 12cm Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem
> with Miesha Cork grips and Tektro MTB brake levers and cables. $125
>
> Sackville TrunkSack small grid gray, new condition, $100
>
> Sackville Medium SaddleSack grid gray, almost new condition, $130.
>
> Let me know if anyone is interested in these items.
>
> Thanks

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[RBW] Whoops: more accurate [FS] Nishiki Riviera GT measurements

2011-08-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE
They are 62 and 60 c-c. I'm not dumb, just hasty. Sorry.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW

2011-08-04 Thread René Sterental
Thanks Grant,

I was able to find both books used online and ordered them. Will be very
interesting to peruse them and plan new adventures.

Get ready for a barrage of questions regarding what to bring and how best to
pack it... :-)

Loving my new Hunqa,

René

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 12:52 PM, grant  wrote:

> Northgate Rd averages 6.9 percent with a peak, riding up to the 1,000-
> ft mark, of 12+ percent.
> A 2000 fit climb in 6.5 miles.
>
> Summit Rd. from the junction Ranger Station to the top, is a 7.5
> percent average, and a 1470-ft or so climb in 4.5 miles, with a short
> 10 percent section around  Blue Oak campground, and then the dastardly
> 19 percent last tenth-of-a-mile or so.
>
> According to the book I wrote in 1982, at least. The roads haven't
> changed a bit, though.
>
> G
>
>
> On Aug 3, 10:08 pm, Joe Bunik  wrote:
> > 3000' mark on Diablo via North Gate Rd. I don't know the exact
> > measurements, but had thought D. is generally a continual 8-10%? It's
> > a climb, but not the worst thing ever either, IMO.
> > =- Joe Bunik
> > Walnut Creek, CA
> >
> > On 8/3/11, Rex Kerr  wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:08 PM, erik jensen 
> wrote:
> >
> > >> Otherwise, can agree that we should *meet at 3pm on September 24th at
> > >> Walnut Creek BART and head up the hill from there to Juniper Camp?
> *get
> > >> there later or earlier, but we'll see you at juniper on way or the
> other.
> >
> > > I don't know the area, but that appears to be about a 5% grade for 10
> miles?
> > >  Perhaps I have the wrong location of the campground?  How far is it?
>  How
> > > much climbing?
> >
> > > I'm tempted, but my AHH isn't set up for carrying much -- I wasn't
> planning
> > > to use it for camping, that's what my Trek is for.  Perhaps I should
> just
> > > break down and get that front rack. :-)
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[RBW] Re: Fishy Betty

2011-08-04 Thread Steve


On Aug 4, 1:30 pm, Montclair BobbyB  wrote:
> Grant, you're kindness is unconditional, and THAT alone is inspiring.
>
> Still there are a few unsettling questions in my mind about this
> story... The seller's asking price ($2000) vs selling price
> ($600)...don't know what conversation took place with the re-buyer,
> but that's a pretty big spread.
>
If you look on the Washington DC craigslist where this was posted,
there were a couple of other posts claiming that the bike was stolen
because the seller didn't know anything about the bike he had...this
probably poisoned the well for him in selling it, so he took the cash
offer he had in hand, which may not have been enough to cover his
costs.

The lesson to be learned here in addition to the kindness of strangers
(Grant and the re-seller) is to not to rush to judgement...I'd argue
that while this may work out in the end for the original owner and the
re-seller, the guy who took the bike in payment is losing out on the
deal since I doubt he was able to cover his costs for the work he's
done.

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[RBW] Re: ebay Rodeo

2011-08-04 Thread Montclair BobbyB
That is way cool... I suspect we'll begin to see more belt-drive
internal-geared bikes (not all with Rohloff hubs) emerging onto the
market.

On Aug 3, 6:14 pm, Scotty  wrote:
> Same seller is selling a pretty cool belt drive Co-Motion bike too.  Im not
> sold on the belt drive thing but interesting and pretty bike to look at.

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[RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW

2011-08-04 Thread grant
Northgate Rd averages 6.9 percent with a peak, riding up to the 1,000-
ft mark, of 12+ percent.
A 2000 fit climb in 6.5 miles.

Summit Rd. from the junction Ranger Station to the top, is a 7.5
percent average, and a 1470-ft or so climb in 4.5 miles, with a short
10 percent section around  Blue Oak campground, and then the dastardly
19 percent last tenth-of-a-mile or so.

According to the book I wrote in 1982, at least. The roads haven't
changed a bit, though.

G


On Aug 3, 10:08 pm, Joe Bunik  wrote:
> 3000' mark on Diablo via North Gate Rd. I don't know the exact
> measurements, but had thought D. is generally a continual 8-10%? It's
> a climb, but not the worst thing ever either, IMO.
> =- Joe Bunik
> Walnut Creek, CA
>
> On 8/3/11, Rex Kerr  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 12:08 PM, erik jensen  wrote:
>
> >> Otherwise, can agree that we should *meet at 3pm on September 24th at
> >> Walnut Creek BART and head up the hill from there to Juniper Camp? *get
> >> there later or earlier, but we'll see you at juniper on way or the other.
>
> > I don't know the area, but that appears to be about a 5% grade for 10 miles?
> >  Perhaps I have the wrong location of the campground?  How far is it?  How
> > much climbing?
>
> > I'm tempted, but my AHH isn't set up for carrying much -- I wasn't planning
> > to use it for camping, that's what my Trek is for.  Perhaps I should just
> > break down and get that front rack. :-)
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fishy Betty

2011-08-04 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Anne Paulson  wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Montclair BobbyB
>  wrote:
>> Grant, you're kindness is unconditional, and THAT alone is inspiring.
>>
>> Still there are a few unsettling questions in my mind about this
>> story... The seller's asking price ($2000) vs selling price
>> ($600)...don't know what conversation took place with the re-buyer,
>> but that's a pretty big spread.
>
> We don't know the conversation that took place, but imagine the
> conversation you'd have if your boss called you into his office and
> announced that the company couldn't pay you, but they were offering
> you some used skis  or a used  sewing machine instead.  Maybe they'd
> be loath to part with their dear Rossignols or their beloved Bernina,
> but you just want money.  And if you took those skis or that sewing
> machine, which you didn't want, who would criticize you for selling
> them, for whatever price you could get?
>
> Things are tough all over. The unemployment rate among construction
> workers is horrific right now; the seller was almost certainly not a
> bloated plutocrat, but some guy who took a job and was dismayed when
> he found out the person who hired him couldn't pay him. And who knows
> why the woman, who should not be referred to as a "crying girl," which
> suggests a six-year-old surrendering her Barbie bike rather than an
> adult responsible for her debts, couldn't pay the worker. She may have
> had financial reverses also-- things are tough all over. Although the
> deal was initially suspicious, now it just sounds like a sad story of
> a bad economy.
>
>

Anne,
 This is exactly what I have gotten out of the whole story, with one
additional detail that I think is worth highlighting:

1. Grant and rivendell acting with great integrity and generosity.
2. The re-buyer in dc behaving excellently. With great altruism and sympathy.

Forget whether or not there is a bad guy (or woman) here. Let's focus
on the people who did well and should be lauded for it.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW

2011-08-04 Thread EastBayGuy
Rene. Not to worry I will be on my simple one and will more than likely be 
walking/Hiking up to Juniper

Should be allot of fun

Dustin G

Walnut Creek

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[RBW] WTB .... 170mm or 165mm XD Crank Arms (or similar)

2011-08-04 Thread Garth
If anyone has a set of XD or similar triple 110/74 170mm or 165mm crank arms 
only for sale ... let me know please. 

Thanks :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW

2011-08-04 Thread René Sterental
Thanks Joe!

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Aug 4, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Joe Bunik  wrote:

> here's Juniper:
> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=37.877157%2C-121.931248
>
> Yeah, my map is just the paved road up. I'd be inclined to go up on
> dirt, though. Unfortunately I can't commit quite yet though I am happy
> to provide support where possible.
>
> On 8/4/11, René Sterental  wrote:
>> Will our ride be all on pavement as Joe's map shows or will it be on dirt
>> trails? I see a dirt Juniper trail on the map taking off from the North Gate
>> Road. I thought this was going to be a dirt road ride, don't know why I made
>> that assumption. I've never been to Mt. Diablo.
>>
>> René
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Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW

2011-08-04 Thread Joe Bunik
here's Juniper:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=37.877157%2C-121.931248

Yeah, my map is just the paved road up. I'd be inclined to go up on
dirt, though. Unfortunately I can't commit quite yet though I am happy
to provide support where possible.

On 8/4/11, René Sterental  wrote:
> Will our ride be all on pavement as Joe's map shows or will it be on dirt
> trails? I see a dirt Juniper trail on the map taking off from the North Gate
> Road. I thought this was going to be a dirt road ride, don't know why I made
> that assumption. I've never been to Mt. Diablo.
>
> René
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fishy Betty

2011-08-04 Thread Anne Paulson
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Montclair BobbyB
 wrote:
> Grant, you're kindness is unconditional, and THAT alone is inspiring.
>
> Still there are a few unsettling questions in my mind about this
> story... The seller's asking price ($2000) vs selling price
> ($600)...don't know what conversation took place with the re-buyer,
> but that's a pretty big spread.

We don't know the conversation that took place, but imagine the
conversation you'd have if your boss called you into his office and
announced that the company couldn't pay you, but they were offering
you some used skis  or a used  sewing machine instead.  Maybe they'd
be loath to part with their dear Rossignols or their beloved Bernina,
but you just want money.  And if you took those skis or that sewing
machine, which you didn't want, who would criticize you for selling
them, for whatever price you could get?

Things are tough all over. The unemployment rate among construction
workers is horrific right now; the seller was almost certainly not a
bloated plutocrat, but some guy who took a job and was dismayed when
he found out the person who hired him couldn't pay him. And who knows
why the woman, who should not be referred to as a "crying girl," which
suggests a six-year-old surrendering her Barbie bike rather than an
adult responsible for her debts, couldn't pay the worker. She may have
had financial reverses also-- things are tough all over. Although the
deal was initially suspicious, now it just sounds like a sad story of
a bad economy.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW

2011-08-04 Thread René Sterental
Will our ride be all on pavement as Joe's map shows or will it be on dirt
trails? I see a dirt Juniper trail on the map taking off from the North Gate
Road. I thought this was going to be a dirt road ride, don't know why I made
that assumption. I've never been to Mt. Diablo.

René

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Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW

2011-08-04 Thread René Sterental
I cannot find the GPS coordinates of the Juniper Camp, do you have them by
any chance?

René

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Joe Bunik  wrote:

> Aha. Now updated to reflect the actual "ok, now we're climbing"
> portion of the ride. Revised average: 7.7%
> =- Joe
>
> On 8/4/11, René Sterental  wrote:
> > Joe, your map states average grade is 6.1% and maximum grade is 17.6%.
> >
> > I'm just not going to think about it... only that the return trip will be
> > awesome! I'm going to be taking my time, but even if I have to push the
> bike
> > all the way, I'm planning to get there.
> >
> > Question:
> > - Do we need to make reservations? If so, I volunteer to make the
> > reservation; one campsite takes a maximum of 8 people according to the
> > Reserve America site, costs $30 and there are 29 left for September 24.
> >
> > I may do a trial run if I get a chance to assess how I would fare and
> > whether my 12 year old son would enjoy coming along or if the relentless
> > climbing would completely turn him off. He'll enjoy the descent for sure!
> >
> > René
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[RBW] Re: Fishy Betty

2011-08-04 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Grant, you're kindness is unconditional, and THAT alone is inspiring.

Still there are a few unsettling questions in my mind about this
story... The seller's asking price ($2000) vs selling price
($600)...don't know what conversation took place with the re-buyer,
but that's a pretty big spread.

The other thing I'm not entirely convinced of is that this woman
(unfortunate as her situation seemed) was necessarily a victim.  After
all, SHE willingly gave up her Betty (which among this forum could be
construed as the ultimate act of betrayal).  Was she acting
irresponsibly for accepting services (in the first place) without
having the means to pay for it?  Did she not care enough about her
Betty to fight for it, or at least resort to other drastic measures
before ultimately having to sacrifice poor Betty?  At the risk of
winning the award for "insensitive-bastard-of-the-day", I still
maintain this was ultimately HER choice; and as far as I'm concerned
her Betty apparently wasn't stolen from her.  So is she really the
victim here, and is she really worthy of having her Betty "gifted"
back to her?

I may be insensitive, but I'm no fool...I'd hate to see Mr Rebuyer
(whose autograph I want) to become the unintended victim here...  I
just wonder whether there's more to this story...that's all...

Bobby "insensitive puppy-killer" Birmingham

On Aug 3, 10:45 pm, grant  wrote:
> The craigslist "antique" one.here's the latest, kind of
> interesting-
>
> One of our customers contacted the guy, had planned to buy the bike
> for as little as possible. Expected to meet him on the street down by
> the corner near the liquor store, but one surprise after another, and
> all good:
>
> -- the guy met him at his (the guy's, the seller's) place-o-bizness
> -- guy seemed normal, nice, forthcoming, not shyster-like or the least
> bit shady
> -- seller took the bike with some other stuff as payment for work
> performed...when the woman couldn't pay. He said she was crying when
> she dropped off bike etc.
>
> We have the serial number and some particulars. The bike was bought
> from us (not from one of our five dealers), and we'll try to track it
> down. I think we'll be able to.
>
> The repurchase price was $600.
>
> If we can track down the original buyer, the rebuyer---who is, like,
> the nicest kindest guy you'll ever meet---has offfered to take the
> loss and return the bike, but of course we won't let that happen. If
> he's able to return the bike, we'll cover him for it and toss in a bit-
> o-reward in the deal, and then the woman gets her B back.
>
> If we can't make that happen---for whatever reason -- then he'll keep
> the bike.
>
> If after that, the original owner comes forth, we'll work out some
> happy thing for her.
>
> On a side note, I contacted WDC police. told them we might have a
> thief (turns out we didn't...unless he's supercon guy)-- and they
> said, "We don't do that. Contact the FBI." Whoa.
>
> May have an update, not sure. later.
>
> Grant

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[RBW] Re: Phil "Rivy" freewheel wheelset opinions?

2011-08-04 Thread Garth
Then Phil are your hubs Ryan!  

You know ... the demise of the freewheel was thought of long ago  yet 
they still keep on going. I remain unsold on the whole cassette idea to this 
day it's so nice to be able to choose your FW mechanism... rather than 
be stuck with what the Mfr. decides to include in a hub.  I remember the 
promise of custom cogs too ha ha didn't last long. You can make a 
custom today but it's not so simple  besides ... if you on need a 13-28 
 how many cogs do you need... 6, 7, 8,9 or 10?  I only *need* 6 for that 
spread, 7 for a 13-32... the rest is overkill but I'm not racer mindest 
so there you go. I tried a 9sp a few times all the extra shifting was 
silly. 9 may be fine ... 8 may be great  but *7 is heaven* :)

Then you have the hubs  it's mostly been high priced or cheap hubs, 
nothing between. As Ginz mention... the VO hubs look promising , but they're 
brand new and unknown. That's why PW FW hubs are so great ... even though 
their price has jumped quite bit in recent years. You get a top notch hub 
that outlast us with minimal maintenance.  BTW .. I don't use the Rivy ones 
... I don't dig the slots ... just more work when I bother to clean them! 
LoL


On Thursday, August 4, 2011 9:35:59 AM UTC-4, Ryan J wrote:
>
> I am going to have to buy a few as I don't have any on hand, but the 
> freewheel gear ranges that Shimano makes seem like they would work fine for 
> the riding I do.  It isn't too terribly hilly where I live so using an 11 
> tooth or a 34 really isn't necessary.  The freewheels seem cheap enough that 
> I could stockpile a half dozen or so for the future.  
>  
> I really kind of want a hubset that doesn't require repacking in the 
> future.
>

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[RBW] Re: Phil "Rivy" freewheel wheelset opinions?

2011-08-04 Thread Garth
Then Phil are your hubs Ryan!  

You know ... the demise of the freewheel was thought of long ago  yet 
they still keep on going. I remain unsold on the whole cassette idea to this 
day it's so nice to be able to choose your FW mechanism... rather than 
be stuck with what the Mfr. decides to include in a hub.  I remember the 
promise of custom cogs too ha ha didn't last long. You can make a 
custom today but it's not so simple  besides ... if you on need a 13-28 
 how many cogs do you need... 6, 7, 8,9 or 10?  I only *need* 6 for that 
spread, the rest is overkill but I'm not racer mindest so there you go. 
I tried a 9sp a few times all the extra shifting was silly. Yeah  *7 
is heaven* :)

Then you have the hubs  it's mostly been high priced or cheap hubs, 
nothing between. As Ginz mention... the VO hubs look promising , but they're 
brand new and unknown. That's why PW FW hubs are so great ... even though 
their price has jumped quite bit in recent years. You get a top notch hub 
that outlast us with minimal maintenance.  BTW .. I don't use the Rivy ones 
... I don't dig the slots ... just more work when I bother to clean them! 
LoL


On Thursday, August 4, 2011 9:35:59 AM UTC-4, Ryan J wrote:
>
> I am going to have to buy a few as I don't have any on hand, but the 
> freewheel gear ranges that Shimano makes seem like they would work fine for 
> the riding I do.  It isn't too terribly hilly where I live so using an 11 
> tooth or a 34 really isn't necessary.  The freewheels seem cheap enough that 
> I could stockpile a half dozen or so for the future.  
>  
> I really kind of want a hubset that doesn't require repacking in the 
> future.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW

2011-08-04 Thread Joe Bunik
Aha. Now updated to reflect the actual "ok, now we're climbing"
portion of the ride. Revised average: 7.7%
=- Joe

On 8/4/11, René Sterental  wrote:
> Joe, your map states average grade is 6.1% and maximum grade is 17.6%.
>
> I'm just not going to think about it... only that the return trip will be
> awesome! I'm going to be taking my time, but even if I have to push the bike
> all the way, I'm planning to get there.
>
> Question:
> - Do we need to make reservations? If so, I volunteer to make the
> reservation; one campsite takes a maximum of 8 people according to the
> Reserve America site, costs $30 and there are 29 left for September 24.
>
> I may do a trial run if I get a chance to assess how I would fare and
> whether my 12 year old son would enjoy coming along or if the relentless
> climbing would completely turn him off. He'll enjoy the descent for sure!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW

2011-08-04 Thread René Sterental
Joe, your map states average grade is 6.1% and maximum grade is 17.6%.

I'm just not going to think about it... only that the return trip will be
awesome! I'm going to be taking my time, but even if I have to push the bike
all the way, I'm planning to get there.

Question:
- Do we need to make reservations? If so, I volunteer to make the
reservation; one campsite takes a maximum of 8 people according to the
Reserve America site, costs $30 and there are 29 left for September 24.

I may do a trial run if I get a chance to assess how I would fare and
whether my 12 year old son would enjoy coming along or if the relentless
climbing would completely turn him off. He'll enjoy the descent for sure!

René

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Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW

2011-08-04 Thread Joe Bunik
here:
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/591854

yeah, I dunno what the average would be- it's just good steady climbin'.
=- Joe

On 8/4/11, CycloFiend  wrote:
> on 8/3/11 10:08 PM, Joe Bunik at jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> 3000' mark on Diablo via North Gate Rd. I don't know the exact
>> measurements, but had thought D. is generally a continual 8-10%? It's
>> a climb, but not the worst thing ever either, IMO.
>
> It's been a while since I went up North Gate Rd, but it didn't seem like a
> continual 8-10%.  Maybe a steeper pitch here and there, but it's a moderate
> and climbable road for the most part.  5-6% seems more correct.
>
> But, hey, I live in the West Bay... and the last time I went up it was -
> yikes - 2007.
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/wknd2007/index.htm
>
> - J
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Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW

2011-08-04 Thread CycloFiend
on 8/3/11 10:08 PM, Joe Bunik at jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

> 3000' mark on Diablo via North Gate Rd. I don't know the exact
> measurements, but had thought D. is generally a continual 8-10%? It's
> a climb, but not the worst thing ever either, IMO.

It's been a while since I went up North Gate Rd, but it didn't seem like a
continual 8-10%.  Maybe a steeper pitch here and there, but it's a moderate
and climbable road for the most part.  5-6% seems more correct.

But, hey, I live in the West Bay... and the last time I went up it was -
yikes - 2007.  

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/wknd2007/index.htm

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Re: [RBW] Spotted a beautiful custom paint Sam Hill at RBW today

2011-08-04 Thread CycloFiend
on 8/3/11 9:08 PM, danmc at djmcnam...@gmail.com wrote:

> Very happy new owner getting outfitted for trip from SF to Inverness
> in Marin this weekend. The color was a deep blue with a touch of
> green. The bike looked great! Should have snapped a picture but maybe
> someone at RBW HQ did?

M...sounds fine!

I'll keep an eye out for them this weekend on the roads.

- Jim "Who will probably be on the Hilsen unless he deals with replacing the
brake cable on the Quickbeam..."

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[RBW] For Sale Riv Items

2011-08-04 Thread Rick
Handlebar combination:
Nitto Albatross handlebars mounted to 12cm Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem
with Miesha Cork grips and Tektro MTB brake levers and cables. $125

Sackville TrunkSack small grid gray, new condition, $100

Sackville Medium SaddleSack grid gray, almost new condition, $130.

Let me know if anyone is interested in these items.

Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Phil "Rivy" freewheel wheelset opinions?

2011-08-04 Thread Ryan J
I am going to have to buy a few as I don't have any on hand, but the 
freewheel gear ranges that Shimano makes seem like they would work fine for 
the riding I do.  It isn't too terribly hilly where I live so using an 11 
tooth or a 34 really isn't necessary.  The freewheels seem cheap enough that 
I could stockpile a half dozen or so for the future.  
 
I really kind of want a hubset that doesn't require repacking in the future.

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[RBW] Re: Riv Branding

2011-08-04 Thread Ryan J
I really enjoy the fact that Rivs aren't splashed with the brand name all 
over the bike too.  I'm thinking of my Trek here, that thing says "TREK" in 
about 8 different areas on the bike.  Kind of ridiculous.
 
I didn't know about Rivendells until a friend of mine showed up to a ride 
using a Hilsen.  I kept trying to find out what bike brand it was because it 
was so pretty, but I never heard of A. Homer Hilsen as a bike brand.  This 
of course started a conversation about Rivs and many nights going to the 
Rivendell website, now I have a Sam Hillborne and plan on getting a Roadeo 
in the near future.  I think it is one of the ways that Riv stands out, 
makes the bikes look more classy and less gaudy.

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[RBW] FS: Riv Romulus Canti

2011-08-04 Thread geosat
As I understand it there were less than 50 of these made with the canti 
style brakes making it a very desirable bike. Geometry is basically the same 
as the Ramboo. But for a lot less money since it doesn’t have the fancy 
painted lugs and was built up as a complete bicycle directly from RIV. 

This bike has a pea sized small dent in the top tube. When I took it to the 
bike shop they said no big deal. It is about 5 inches behind the lug on the 
riders left side. Very small but it is there. It does not photograph well, 
so I won’t even try.

Mine is pretty much stock except for the dirt drop stem mudflaps elk skin 
chainstay protector and Fenders.

The bike measures 57 C to C or 59 center to top of seat tube as riv would 
measure.
Seat- None
Stem- Nitto Dirt drop
Bar- Nitto Noodle
Headset- Shimano Ultegra
Brake levers- New shimano aero also has interuptor brake handles.
Brakes- shimano wide profile cantis with new Kool Stop Salmon Pads
Shifters- Dura ace 9sp bar ends
Derailleurs- Shimano 105
Crankset- Sugino XD triple
Wheels- Triple box Sun CR18s laced to Deore. Rear wheel was re-spoked this 
year.
 
This bike is in excellent condition with what in my opinion was the most 
beautiful
paint color in the Riv lineup!
 
Does not include saddle pedals lights or bag! I need $1500 for it plus 
shipping. Using the proceeds to help defray the costs of my new to me 
Atlantis. 
 
I'll post some pix tonight. Please contact me off the boards if interested. 
Thought i'd offer it here before I put it on Ebay and CL
 
geosat1atgmail.com  

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[RBW] Re: Spotted a beautiful custom paint Sam Hill at RBW today

2011-08-04 Thread Jay
I will be riding my new to me Sam around Vermont August 15th-20th.
Starting in Meredith NH and mostly following the ACA Green Mountain
Loop counterclockwise.to Quechee.
Where are you?

Jay

On Aug 4, 5:13 pm, Zack  wrote:
> it's mine!  
>
> thanks for the compliment.  can't wait to get it in Vermont and start
> riding.

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[RBW] Re: Fishy Betty

2011-08-04 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com
I have a NIB Krups 5220, do you think Riv would take it in lieu of
payment for a 54 Hunqapillar frame?  I like the new blue ones!

On Aug 4, 8:23 am, Lee Chae  wrote:

> to run. It would be similar to me buying a custom from Riv and then
> asking them to take my espresso machine as part of the payment (if I
> had an espresso machine).
>
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[RBW] Re: Riv Branding

2011-08-04 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
In a technical sense using "Rivendell" on customs seems perfectly 
appropriate to me. For the production bikes, there's a name given to the 
production model that helps the customers categorize the bikes according to 
characteristics that distinguish one from another. There are fundamental 
ways that a Hillborne is distinct from the Hunqapillar that are consistent 
and functional and aesthetic. So that name is useful is identifying the 
nature of the bike.

For the custom bikes, the only thing they are asserted to have in common is 
that they were designed by (or at least in conjunction with) RBW. Perhaps 
lots of them share certain characteristics that might group them into 
families. But I imagine if that's true that it's heavily an "effect" of the 
customization process (i.e. similarities of the customers desires per se) 
and not so heavily the cause of any given bike's nature. With the variation 
that probably exists among of the custom frames they've produced, 
"Rivendell" may be the most specific "brand" that's reasonable.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: Phil "Rivy" freewheel wheelset opinions?

2011-08-04 Thread Minh
I too have a recent "rivy" Phil Wood FW hub on my hillborne.  I bought
it last year, as long as your comfortable that you'll be able to
source reasonable  freewheels for the next few years then go for it.
More practical people would tell you to get a Deore or LX freehub
built for the same price because in practical terms that would meet
your functional needs perfectly fine and you have security with the
cassettes.  But since you're asking about a Phil Wood hub, i think
there is something more emotional going on (at least there was for
me), so go for it.  Other then the potential limitations of a
freewheel there aren't any downsides to the PW hubs.

p.s. i also have a freewheel PW rear hub from the early 80's, it's
still spins nice and smooth

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fishy Betty

2011-08-04 Thread Joe Bernard
I realize my response is cynical, but his approach to selling the bike 
irritates me. When you combine "crying girl" with "dishonest ad", you're left 
with "pissed off Joe". Y'all are welcome to the better attitudes you're 
sporting, but I'm in a mood over this debt ceiling madness, so I'm keeping my 
"bad one" for a while.

Joe "bad attitude" Bernard

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[RBW] Re: Riv Branding

2011-08-04 Thread Minh
When i got my Hillborne, i too thought it strange that it wasn't
labeled a Rivendell, but i also understood the history of them keeping
the customs as Rivendell branded and the off-the-shelf frames as
Rivendell inspired.  In the end, what does having a Rivendell branded
bike really get the buyer?  Most people on the street won't know the
difference between a Rivendell and a Hillborne or Bombadil anyway.

And the folks who might know, get "it" already, a personal example of
this, all the folks that have approached me about my Hillborne, they
always ask if it's a Rivendell, like they already know.  Part of that
maybe the overall aesthetic of the frame, part of it i'm sure is that
people who buy these frames tend to build them up with a certain
aesthetic (i.e. propensity for racks, bike bags, high stems, fat
tires) over the norm (i.e. carbon forks, skinny tires, tight
frames).

For me i think labeling it Rivendell would be an ego thing for the
buyer, sure Rivendell the company loses out because less casual people
can make the connection to the brand.  But at the same time i wouldn't
want it to become some crazy, out of reach boutique brand like
Vanilla...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fishy Betty

2011-08-04 Thread Lee Chae
Hi Joe. I understand your sentiment as my first response was something
similar. But then I remembered that I have quite a few friends in the
trades. I'm sure they would much rather be payed for the craftsmanship
they provided, rather than having to take something in barter and
spending their own work or home time selling it. Like most of us, they
have mouths to feed, homes to pay for, and in their case, a business
to run. It would be similar to me buying a custom from Riv and then
asking them to take my espresso machine as part of the payment (if I
had an espresso machine).

That may not be the situation for this fella, but whatever the truth
of the matter, I think it displays a certain great character of
Rivendell to wring a happy ending out of a tough situation, at its own
expense.

Big cheers for nice stories in the real world,
Lee
SF, CA



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> This story would be a lot happier without "construction guy takes crying
> girl's bike". How 'bout giving Crying Girl a payment plan, arsehole..
>
> Joe "I'll take it, then BS people on Craigslist" Bernard
> Fairfield, CA.
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[RBW] Re: Phil "Rivy" freewheel wheelset opinions?

2011-08-04 Thread Montclair BobbyB
I have a Phil 7 speed FW hub on my Bombadil... It's blissful.

BB

On Aug 4, 10:51 am, EricP  wrote:
> I have had a Riv Phil f/w hub on my Sam Hillborne for the past couple
> of years.  No problems with the hub.  Pretty surprising, as it was my
> first wheel build.  Don't have much current experience with non-
> Shimanopore freewheels, so can't contribute there.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Aug 4, 7:50 am, Ginz  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have a set of older Phil Touring hubs without the field serviceable
> > axle. I bought a few freewheels from Riv.  I would absolutely by a
> > brand new set today so long as I were comfortable with a 7 or 8speed
> > setup.  Why?  Simply because there are barely any quality cassette
> > hubs with cartridge bearings in the price range.  You have to spend a
> > lot more to get that in a cassette hub.  The new Velo Orange touring
> > hubs are worth considering.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Phil "Rivy" freewheel wheelset opinions?

2011-08-04 Thread EricP
I have had a Riv Phil f/w hub on my Sam Hillborne for the past couple
of years.  No problems with the hub.  Pretty surprising, as it was my
first wheel build.  Don't have much current experience with non-
Shimanopore freewheels, so can't contribute there.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Aug 4, 7:50 am, Ginz  wrote:
> I have a set of older Phil Touring hubs without the field serviceable
> axle. I bought a few freewheels from Riv.  I would absolutely by a
> brand new set today so long as I were comfortable with a 7 or 8speed
> setup.  Why?  Simply because there are barely any quality cassette
> hubs with cartridge bearings in the price range.  You have to spend a
> lot more to get that in a cassette hub.  The new Velo Orange touring
> hubs are worth considering.

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[RBW] Re: Fishy Betty

2011-08-04 Thread grant
It's hard to not put pieces of d'puzzl together when the edges are so
barely jogged---the "antique" thing, the comment that he got it from a
relative, the dimensions given, the sizing 'instructions'.there
wasn't a syllable in the CL ad that didn't raise suspicion. It is
Great to be surprised in the end...like finding out (spoiler alert)
what a groovy guy Snape was.

G "Be suspicious, but be ready to be happily surprised" P

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[RBW] Re: Riv Branding

2011-08-04 Thread cm
I like not having Rivendell on my Ram or Bleriot. I like that the graphics 
all go together without the need to put the company's name in big letters. I 
also think the graphics are much better on the non-Customer bikes than the 
custom-- who doesnt love airplanes, sheep, boats, etc? It helps make each 
model unique but recognizable. I think it promotes the idea that what they 
are selling is great bikes, not a great name. 

Cheers!
cm

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[RBW] Re: Spotted a beautiful custom paint Sam Hill at RBW today

2011-08-04 Thread Zack
it's mine!  

thanks for the compliment.  can't wait to get it in Vermont and start 
riding.

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[RBW] Re: Riding in Birkenstocks

2011-08-04 Thread Zack
oh, forgot to say, after modding my grip kings with the spikes from Riv, 
birkenstocks are WAY better to ride in.  

the problem I was having before the mod was they felt slippery.  there is 
nothing worse than feeling like your feet might slip/losing confidence when 
riding.  

so, if you love riding birks, and use GK's, consider spiking them.

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[RBW] OT: WTB Brompton Folding Bike

2011-08-04 Thread Sean Whelan
Riv Content: You can use the money to buy the new SOMA San Marcos / AMOS.

OT Content: My constant business travel has me wanting to buy a Brompton folder.
Hoping someone on the list has one in his or her herd and would like to part 
with
it. Any year, any color, any model considered.

Thanks,
Sean

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RE: [RBW] Re: Fishy Betty

2011-08-04 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
+1.  This makes my day, Grant (and, especially, Re-buyer -- you're a hero, 
too). 

-Original Message-
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mojo
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:01 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Fishy Betty

This is why I buy from Rivendell.
Your good folks!
I appreciate all of your efforts.

On Aug 3, 7:45 pm, grant  wrote:
> The craigslist "antique" one.here's the latest, kind of
> interesting-
>
> One of our customers contacted the guy, had planned to buy the bike 
> for as little as possible. Expected to meet him on the street down by 
> the corner near the liquor store, but one surprise after another, and 
> all good:
>
> -- the guy met him at his (the guy's, the seller's) place-o-bizness
> -- guy seemed normal, nice, forthcoming, not shyster-like or the least 
> bit shady
> -- seller took the bike with some other stuff as payment for work 
> performed...when the woman couldn't pay. He said she was crying when 
> she dropped off bike etc.
>
> We have the serial number and some particulars. The bike was bought 
> from us (not from one of our five dealers), and we'll try to track it 
> down. I think we'll be able to.
>
> The repurchase price was $600.
>
> If we can track down the original buyer, the rebuyer---who is, like, 
> the nicest kindest guy you'll ever meet---has offfered to take the 
> loss and return the bike, but of course we won't let that happen. If 
> he's able to return the bike, we'll cover him for it and toss in a 
> bit- o-reward in the deal, and then the woman gets her B back.
>
> If we can't make that happen---for whatever reason -- then he'll keep 
> the bike.
>
> If after that, the original owner comes forth, we'll work out some 
> happy thing for her.
>
> On a side note, I contacted WDC police. told them we might have a 
> thief (turns out we didn't...unless he's supercon guy)-- and they 
> said, "We don't do that. Contact the FBI." Whoa.
>
> May have an update, not sure. later.
>
> Grant

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fishy Betty

2011-08-04 Thread Sean Whelan
How about we all stop judging this guy who we don't know, who seems to have 
been 
nice in the end?
I have more bikes than cash on hand on any given day. I don't imagine that when 
I call the furnace repair
guy to my house that he would be too happy when I said, "Thanks for fixing 
this, 
I don't have any money, would you like
my lugged steel Bianchi frame?"

We are all too far from the situation to understand it well enough to place 
value judgments. 


Glad to learn that it wasn't stolen.

Cheers,
Sean






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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, August 4, 2011 12:06:40 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Fishy Betty


This story would be a lot happier without "construction guy takes crying girl's 
bike". How 'bout giving Crying Girl a payment plan, arsehole..
 
Joe "I'll take it, then BS people on Craigslist" Bernard
Fairfield, CA.
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[RBW] Re: Riv Branding

2011-08-04 Thread Peter Pesce
I don't see how "reserving" the Rivendell logotype for customs makes any 
sense at all. It's the company name, not the model.
Schwinn didn't reserve "Schwinn" for only high-end bikes, nor does Serotta 
refrain from putting "Serotta" on production frames, etc etc.
Further, the only people you're "reserving" Rivendell from are people who 
already know what it is. I'd have to know a lot about Rivs to know a bike 
that only says "Rivendell" is supposedly more special and exclusive than a 
bike that doesn't. If anything, I'd be inclined to think the opposite as a 
casual observer. 
Maybe that's the point?  It's the "radical humility" ethos taken to the 
extreme?

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[RBW] Re: Fishy Betty

2011-08-04 Thread Peter Pesce
I never cease to be impressed what an upstanding company Riv is and what a 
fine group this is.
Who knew Riv's came with a whole host of "guardian angels"?

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[RBW] Re: Riv Branding

2011-08-04 Thread Leslie
A story I've neglected to tell here...

A month ago, the kids and I were riding the Greenbelt (our in-town 
bike/walking trail).  I usually take notice of other bikes along the way, 
hoping to catch the fella that had a green Quickbeam (only other Riv I've 
seen on the Greenbelt, aside from my Rambouillet).   A couple of miles 
along, there was an elderly gentleman sitting on one of the benches with his 
bicycle parked beside him (a Schwinn, if I remember); I remembered him 
because he had a brown sprung saddle and a handlebar bag, which you never 
see (75% of the bikes on this trail are NEXT BSO's from WalMart).  We 
usually say 'Hi' to whoever we pass, but continue to roll along at a good 
clip.  We rode out to one of our usual turn-around points, and was about 
halfway back when we encountered the gentleman again.  I spotted him far 
enough ahead to notice that he had seen us and was stopping, so I slowed up 
a bit as we approached, when he hailed me  "Can we talk for a minute?  
It's not often you get to see one of Grant Petersen's designs out on this 
trail..."   So he and I ended up chatting for about 20 minutes.  Nice fella, 
Mr. Brooks, said he used to run a bike shop, had retired almost 20 years 
earlier.  Said he loved Grant's bikes from back then, and was excited that 
he'd just gotten a Bridgestone on ebay (I can't remember if it was an MB or 
an XO).   

As we rode away, my 9-yr-old daughter said "I know, your bike's famous..."  
  Well, at least in our house, it is...   

Thing is, I love the name Rivendell.  I knew about Rivendell as a bike 
company, but I had no idea what the heck a Rambouillet was.   I bought the 
bike because it was an awesome bike, regardless of the name.   Yeah, I think 
I kinda wished it said Rivendell instead of Rambouillet;  but, at the same 
time, I can see how reserving that label for customs might not be a bad 
thing, either.(If it wasn't for money, I'd 'almost' order a custom 
Rivendell that was a copy of my Rambouillet, to have 'Rivendell' on it.)

But by the same token  if I lock my bike up outside a restaurant, and it 
says 'Rambouillet' on it, and no one knows what it is other than 'an old 
steel bike', then maybe it'll get left alone, whereas perhaps the name 
'Rivendell' just might have a bit better chance of being known as an 
expensive bike, maybe being a bit more of a target then?   
  
But, even called a Rambouillet, I had a stranger stop me on the trail to 
look at my Rivendell... so, maybe, it doesn't really matter... those in the 
know will know, and those that don't, don't care...  



On Thursday, August 4, 2011 10:35PM -0700, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>
>My assumption is that it is the result of "Rivendell" - the original 
>production models from Waterford - becoming the high-end customs, so 
>they 
>needed a way to differentiate the production Atlantis from the customs, 
>then 
>kept at the practice as they became more of a "production bike" company 
>
>again. I personally dislike this approach. I owned a Romulus, and never 
>
>liked the name much. I always wished that it was a "Rivendell", with 
>the 
>model name in smaller letters on the toptube. 
>
>I can see the problem, though. In the early '90s Schwinn established a 
>road-and-MTB line called "Paramount", while still producing custom 
>high-end 
>Paramount road bikes. That probably pissed a lot of "real Paramount" 
>owners 
>off, and still causes a mess on Craigslist. 
>
>Sooo..I don't really like the practice, but can't think of a way around 
>it. 
>Helpful, no?
>
>Joe "helpful, no" Bernard
>Fairfield, CA.
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Phil "Rivy" freewheel wheelset opinions?

2011-08-04 Thread Ginz
I have a set of older Phil Touring hubs without the field serviceable
axle. I bought a few freewheels from Riv.  I would absolutely by a
brand new set today so long as I were comfortable with a 7 or 8speed
setup.  Why?  Simply because there are barely any quality cassette
hubs with cartridge bearings in the price range.  You have to spend a
lot more to get that in a cassette hub.  The new Velo Orange touring
hubs are worth considering.

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[RBW] Re: Phil "Rivy" freewheel wheelset opinions?

2011-08-04 Thread Garth
I use Phil FW hubs, and had a second pair built last year. No issues with 
them , other than check the end caps every once in while to make sure they 
are sung. I've used but never owned cassette wheels. I may some day  but 
I've got a large stock of FW's to last likely for my life ... so I'm in no 
hurry.  I'll only buy cartridge bearing hubs, and have used them since the 
early 80's. I'd never used Shimano hubs for that reason alone. I can't 
believe it's 2011 and they're pumping those cups/cones out. Cartdridge 
bearings are so much easier to live with.

If you want to use FW's today ... just make sure you have FW's in combo's 
you can live with... then buy lots of spares. Do you many spare FW's Ryan, 
or are you looking to get some new ones?

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[RBW] Re: Riding in Birkenstocks

2011-08-04 Thread Garth
Yes  the tans tines are great !!  I'm really loving riding in them 
so much so I started using a mid foot foot over pedal position. Wow  
what a difference for me in efficiency and feel of the bike.  I had heard of 
a mid foot position ala Lon Haldeman and others ... but I never really tried 
it before until now. The Birks are perfect for this because of my high arch 
feet and their bountiful arch support along with a mid foot stiffness not 
found in sneakers. I wear a 47 Birk, 15 street shoe.  Unbelievably  even 
on the Bombadil  I can sometimes rub my front fender with my Birks once 
in a great while with a mid foot position . but the beauty of no 
clips/straps is I can just move my feet back a little bit as needed 
temporarily. I don't think I'll have this problem on the Hunqapillar though 
as the front-center length is even longer. 

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[RBW] Re: 26 vs 29...thought I knew which side I was on.

2011-08-04 Thread EricP
When I had a larger wheel mountain bike, I liked the feeling.
However, hand issues are going to prevent me from ever being a
mountain biker again. Unless I go to suspension.  Although maybe a fat
bike of some sort would work.  3.7 or 4.5 inch wide tires might give
enough cushion.  650B did not work for me in the least although I
wanted it to.  Am now having to survive on riding bikes with merely
40s on my 700C bikes and 50s on my 26 inch wheel touring bike.

As an aside - the riders this past weekend included a gent on a Salsa
Mukluk.  He was able to easily keep pace with the fastest riders.
Last I saw of him he was following a tandem doing over 20 mph.

Eric Platt
(who is realizing it's not wheel size but the motor that's the issue.)

On Aug 3, 9:18 pm, brian tester  wrote:
> The Hunqapillar definitely turned me on to the bigger wheels concept
> for mtb-ing. I wasn't expecting to like it as much, but the big wheels
> do roll nicely over rough ground. You get a pretty large contact patch
> to stick to things with.
>
> -Brian
>
> On Aug 3, 5:55 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> > If I were starting over in the bike thing, I would have all 650b.  As it is,
> > I'm pretty financially committed to 700C...
>
> > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Leslie  wrote:
> > > 650B!
>
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[RBW] Re: Decision Potential

2011-08-04 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
Uh, that's "sheer redundancy". Sorry. And there's at least one "ad" that should 
be "as".

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean
who is wondering if "sheet redundancy" is technical jargon in some realm

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