[RBW] Re: What would Taubes put in a Boxy (or Candy Bar) Bag for a long ride
Lewis and Clark ate 9 pounds of meat a day, and hardly any anything else. Eskimos eat muscle and fat only. There are historical precendents for it, even in high-active people (can't bring myself to write peoples) I've thought/obsessed over/read about this a lot in the last year and a half, and armed with the confidence that comes with an A.A. degree (general studies), I can tell you how it seems to work. I am not declaring this as an authoritative answer, but I believe it completely based on what I've read and my own experience and experiments. 1. If you have five pounds of fat, that's 17,500 calories of fuel. An hour of hard, dreadful riding burns about 750 calories, depending on your own physiology. A groovy medium-effort ride may burn 400 calories an hour. Hey, if it's flattish and you're enjoying it, maybe 300 calories. You have tons of fuel for days of riding without eating.as long as you fuel your rides with your fat. You still have to drink, and may need to replenish some calcium and potassium and salt, but you can do that in low-to-no carb ways. 2. You can think of your exercising (riding) as having three zones, depending on effort level as determined by heart rate. The numbers you're about to read are approximate for most people, and at least make the point. Here goes: • below 70 percent of max heart rate, your muscles can easily get all the oxygen they need from body fat. BUT if you have high insulin levels in your blood (from power bars, gatorade, bananas, and yes, even the sainted medjool date), then your body stops burning fat right NOW, and will burn the glucose instead. You cannot access your body fat as fuel when your blood is swimming with insulin. Insulin is a metabolic hormone that dictates fuel usage. Practically, this means you can ride happily and comfortably without even eating. I can and often have ridden 4-hours without food, even at a decent effort. I drink. • in the training zone, btw about 70 and high 80s percent of maxheartrate, you will still burn fat in the absence of blood insulin, BUT...you'll lose efficiency, because carbs are better at supplying your muscles with the high levels of oxygen that harder efforts demand. If you race, you need the carbs. Or, if you plan to ride a fast brevet, eat the dates. If you're a Walter Mitty type even on solo rides or disorganized rides with friends, then for all intents and purposes you are a racer, and will benefit from carbs. There is good and bad. Good is: You can eat the goopy tasty carbs without the glucose-insulin spike, because you burn them up. Bad is: You're burning up your chow, not your fat. There's no way around this. If you want to go low-carb for 90 percent of the time, but can't stand the idea of never again eating your favorite high-carb treats, eat them before and during a longish hardish ride. • most people are anaerobic above 90 percent of MHR. You can't ride that hard for more than about 40 seconds, and even repeated intervals don't depend on dietary chow. You will be slightly more efficient (faster) with high glucose levels (and insulin) than with low-glucose (from carbless eats), but intervals are a sometime-thing, and the whole point is to supertax and supercharge your muscles, makem stronger by tearing them down so they rebuild better...and train them to become more insulin-sensitive (which helps keep you lean because when your muscles are insulin-sensitive, you don't shoot out as much insulin in response to carbs, and less insulin means less fat creation and storage). Also, exercising anaerobically on what amounts to an empty stomach (don't eat, keep insulin low), your body responds by releasing more growth hormone...which helps insulin sensitivity. Body builders and pro athletes take GH to get lean...and it works by helping them build muscle, and lean mass/muscle contributes to insulin sensitivity. This IS how it works, but then you look at skinny pros chomping down carbs and touting them, and you get the message that carbs are good. They're not believable spokesmodels for that kind of eating (or that kind of riding). They can eat that way and ride that way and for the most part stay lean because of genetics. Their sport (racing) selects for certain body types and inherited physiologies, the same way that basketball selects for tallies, and gymnastics for shorties. You wouldn't start to shoot hoops because you wanted to grow a few inches, but bike riders all the time copy racers because they're told they'll look the same way (or close) if they eat and ride that way. The best low-carb electrolyte replacement drinks are tomato juice and coconut milk (Big Moo has made it illegal to call any whitish guzzlable liquid milk unless it came from an udder, but when I grew up it was coconut MILK, and I'm sticking with that. Both have phenomenal potassium-to-carb ratios. The tomatoe juice is generally high in salt, too. You could add salt to cocomilk. Salt and potassium are by far the most important
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's new game...
LOL!!! I'm not really bragging... I'm making the case for people to go visit RBW in person to buy stuff and see what happens... Yes, I got both the vest and the sweater and loved them on sight. Let's see how they work out once it gets cold and if I have issues with the itchiness or not. Still, they were irresistible especially as I had to pay nothing for them. Rene Sent from my iPhone 4 On Aug 14, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Allan in Portland allan_f...@aracnet.com wrote: You hustle Grant outta 200 bucks, *then* come here to brag about it. Wow, that's cheek. Seriously though, I've been trying to decide between the sargeant and the vest, and as often as not thinking hmmm, maybe I should get both. Interesting you got both. -Allan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/o7JZLe7pLTwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Subject: 63cm AHH Frame and Fork on eBay
Not mine, but you might be interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=160637665698ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Build
It sounds like you have 90% of the build already figured out, maybe except pedals and bars? These seem like 2 things your LBS would let you test out without abusing the privelidge too much. If you have a 10 mi commute each way, that means you do 100 miles a week just commuting, and it's likely the mode you spend most time in, so I'd think about making comfort for your commute the top priority. One thing about the Sam - it's phenomenaly versatile, so whichever way you choose to set it up to start is by no means the way you need to keep it. It's not a huge investment to change from moustache back to Noodle's (for example) if you find you don't like the M's. It's not even a huge investment to have another set of wheels and tires, maybe more dirt-orieinted. I currently have mine set up kind of rando style, but I'm in the process of doing a go-fast build just for fun to try it out. Fast being a very relative term where I'm involved! Most of all, have fun! -Pete -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/lYqwg0vLivcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Build
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: It sounds like you have 90% of the build already figured out, maybe except pedals and bars? These seem like 2 things your LBS would let you test out without abusing the privelidge too much. If you have a 10 mi commute each way, that means you do 100 miles a week just commuting, and it's likely the mode you spend most time in, so I'd think about making comfort for your commute the top priority. One thing about the Sam - it's phenomenaly versatile, so whichever way you choose to set it up to start is by no means the way you need to keep it. It's not a huge investment to change from moustache back to Noodle's (for example) if you find you don't like the M's. It's not even a huge investment to have another set of wheels and tires, maybe more dirt-orieinted. I currently have mine set up kind of rando style, but I'm in the process of doing a go-fast build just for fun to try it out. Fast being a very relative term where I'm involved! Most of all, have fun! And I'd encourage folks to take the advice of Thomas and myself and get a set of the quick-swap handlebar splitters. Setting up is not that much more work and it means you can switch what the bike is laid out for in no time at all. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Mileage on Jack Brown greens
My JB Greens have all (4 tires) worn to failure shortly after 3000 miles. For the two rear tires I did not notice they were getting worn because of the fenders. I got my first flat with each when the rubber had worn down to the casing and daylight could be seen through the tire in many places around the circumference. One front tire I replaced when it had worn down to the casing at 3200 miles but the sidewalls wore faster than the tread at 3086 miles on the second one. The tube blew through the middle of the sidewall while banking on a sharp turn during a descent. I stayed upright and made it home with a new tube and two $20 bills as boots. I'll still buy JB's, I think 3000 flat free miles is pretty good. I'll just start replacing them at 2900 miles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Build
Hey ... those Kenda Kwick Roller EZ Ride tires are great! I bought 5 of the 45's and 3 of the 40's . Surprisingly nice riding and long lasting compound. Really too bad Kenda didn't continue making these under the radar tires. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/u_CiuW_aEPUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What would Taubes put in a Boxy (or Candy Bar) Bag for a long ride
The long thing below from yesterday is not complete. There are things it doesn't address (gluconeogenesis, cortisol, and their effect on fuel usage)..but for a nudge in the right direction...it is good enough. I should have said old timey Eskimos eat nothing but meat...since I'm sure new timey ones somehow manage to get their Cheetos, what with the internet and trading posts and snow mobiles and all. Over and out for me on this...G On Aug 14, 11:11 pm, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote: Lewis and Clark ate 9 pounds of meat a day, and hardly any anything else. Eskimos eat muscle and fat only. There are historical precendents for it, even in high-active people (can't bring myself to write peoples) I've thought/obsessed over/read about this a lot in the last year and a half, and armed with the confidence that comes with an A.A. degree (general studies), I can tell you how it seems to work. I am not declaring this as an authoritative answer, but I believe it completely based on what I've read and my own experience and experiments. 1. If you have five pounds of fat, that's 17,500 calories of fuel. An hour of hard, dreadful riding burns about 750 calories, depending on your own physiology. A groovy medium-effort ride may burn 400 calories an hour. Hey, if it's flattish and you're enjoying it, maybe 300 calories. You have tons of fuel for days of riding without eating.as long as you fuel your rides with your fat. You still have to drink, and may need to replenish some calcium and potassium and salt, but you can do that in low-to-no carb ways. 2. You can think of your exercising (riding) as having three zones, depending on effort level as determined by heart rate. The numbers you're about to read are approximate for most people, and at least make the point. Here goes: • below 70 percent of max heart rate, your muscles can easily get all the oxygen they need from body fat. BUT if you have high insulin levels in your blood (from power bars, gatorade, bananas, and yes, even the sainted medjool date), then your body stops burning fat right NOW, and will burn the glucose instead. You cannot access your body fat as fuel when your blood is swimming with insulin. Insulin is a metabolic hormone that dictates fuel usage. Practically, this means you can ride happily and comfortably without even eating. I can and often have ridden 4-hours without food, even at a decent effort. I drink. • in the training zone, btw about 70 and high 80s percent of maxheartrate, you will still burn fat in the absence of blood insulin, BUT...you'll lose efficiency, because carbs are better at supplying your muscles with the high levels of oxygen that harder efforts demand. If you race, you need the carbs. Or, if you plan to ride a fast brevet, eat the dates. If you're a Walter Mitty type even on solo rides or disorganized rides with friends, then for all intents and purposes you are a racer, and will benefit from carbs. There is good and bad. Good is: You can eat the goopy tasty carbs without the glucose-insulin spike, because you burn them up. Bad is: You're burning up your chow, not your fat. There's no way around this. If you want to go low-carb for 90 percent of the time, but can't stand the idea of never again eating your favorite high-carb treats, eat them before and during a longish hardish ride. • most people are anaerobic above 90 percent of MHR. You can't ride that hard for more than about 40 seconds, and even repeated intervals don't depend on dietary chow. You will be slightly more efficient (faster) with high glucose levels (and insulin) than with low-glucose (from carbless eats), but intervals are a sometime-thing, and the whole point is to supertax and supercharge your muscles, makem stronger by tearing them down so they rebuild better...and train them to become more insulin-sensitive (which helps keep you lean because when your muscles are insulin-sensitive, you don't shoot out as much insulin in response to carbs, and less insulin means less fat creation and storage). Also, exercising anaerobically on what amounts to an empty stomach (don't eat, keep insulin low), your body responds by releasing more growth hormone...which helps insulin sensitivity. Body builders and pro athletes take GH to get lean...and it works by helping them build muscle, and lean mass/muscle contributes to insulin sensitivity. This IS how it works, but then you look at skinny pros chomping down carbs and touting them, and you get the message that carbs are good. They're not believable spokesmodels for that kind of eating (or that kind of riding). They can eat that way and ride that way and for the most part stay lean because of genetics. Their sport (racing) selects for certain body types and inherited physiologies, the same way that basketball selects for tallies, and gymnastics for shorties. You wouldn't start to shoot hoops because you wanted to grow a few inches,
[RBW] Re: What would Taubes put in a Boxy (or Candy Bar) Bag for a long ride
Having decided to take the Paleo Plunge, I too wondered about what to carry on longish rides. I finally settled on a tin of kipper snacks or a beef stick along with two Kleen Kanteens, one filled with water the other half full of a dry red wine (following the fermentation process the only carbs left in the wine are in the alcohol). On Aug 14, 7:30 pm, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: Sorry to resuscitate a dying thread, but here goes: I like the way the Taubes/Paleo makes me feel - -won't rehash. Problem I have is long rides - - 4 to 12 hours. I have not figured out the Taubesian foods work to keep you going during the ride, or how to handle that feeling of post-ride starvation. What do you eat during the ride, and how do you handle the post-ride meal? I don't think I should be putting Candy Bars in my Candy Bar Bag, but hard boiled eggs and raw broccoli aren't getting me through the long days. Any suggestions? Thanks. I know this post is not really Rivendell related, and the Candy Bar Bag humor is weak. RL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What would Taubes put in a Boxy (or Candy Bar) Bag for a long ride
Larabars are mostly dates with just a couple of additional ingredients (no chemicals), depending on the flavor. For instance, the cashew cookie flavor contains just dates and cashews. They are convenient for long rides since they come wrapped in serving-sized portions. I like the boxes of 12 mini-bars; one of those minis every hour or so is about right for me when I'm on a daylong ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/DEuJY_eCkRoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Gary Taube
Is the book I ought to read Good Calories, Bad Calories? I can get that for Kindle, which is nice. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Gary Taube
Good Calories Bad Calories is an 800 page book targeted at the biological scientific research community; Why We Get Fat is a synopsis of that book designed for the rest of us. michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/65BRHQmmPOYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] 64cm Atlantis for sale
Steve, I have sent you two emails off list but have not received a response. Did you get my emails? Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/qevczPPDDWAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What would Taubes put in a Boxy (or Candy Bar) Bag for a long ride
It may not sound very healthy but I love having a giant Payday bar on a long ride, the peanuts for some protein, the goo that holds them together for carbs, and the salt on the nuts for some electrolytes. For me it is the perfect ride food. I do eat a lot of fruit, found a farm stand in the middle of a metric last Friday and ate a couple of the best peaches I've ever had! John G. Ballwin, MO On Aug 14, 7:30 pm, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: Sorry to resuscitate a dying thread, but here goes: I like the way the Taubes/Paleo makes me feel - -won't rehash. Problem I have is long rides - - 4 to 12 hours. I have not figured out the Taubesian foods work to keep you going during the ride, or how to handle that feeling of post-ride starvation. What do you eat during the ride, and how do you handle the post-ride meal? I don't think I should be putting Candy Bars in my Candy Bar Bag, but hard boiled eggs and raw broccoli aren't getting me through the long days. Any suggestions? Thanks. I know this post is not really Rivendell related, and the Candy Bar Bag humor is weak. RL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What would Taubes put in a Boxy (or Candy Bar) Bag for a long ride
My experience has shown, (I'm about the same age as Grant, what 29?), that once glycogen is gone it's gone. I'm 6'6 and around 230. I keep track of stuff like mileage, wattage etc., purely as a interesting thing to do. Haven't raced since '92, and ride mostly solo because I want to do what I want to do when I want to do it. Point being I can pay attention to whether I feel good, bad, or otherwise. On rides over 2 hours, on just water, I finish with just the beginnings of nail-gunned legs. Recovery is hard, weight stays the same. After reading Paleo for Athletes, and doing the calculations, I ingest some Shot Bloks w/ water about 10 min before starting out-no insulin spike because you start burning it as soon as it's available. At around 1 hour, and then every 45 min thereafter, I ingest a Gu, etc., and mix in a Honey stinger waffle for variety, not together but every 45 min or so. This is the fuel that burns fat. It's a delicate balance to be sure. But I have access to one of those fancy scales that measures hydration, body fat etc. After losing approx 20 lbs (after, admittedly, a very bad winter), my weight has plateaued but my body fat % has continued to decrease. I'd like to continue to lower my body weight and will probably do so w/ more consistent training, and water intake-there is only one way fat leaves your body, when you pee. Half your body weight in ounces is what you should drink every day. (200 lbs=100oz/H2O). You'll be inconvenienced a lot but it will work. YMMV however. On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:11 AM, grant grant...@gmail.com wrote: Lewis and Clark ate 9 pounds of meat a day, and hardly any anything else. Eskimos eat muscle and fat only. There are historical precendents for it, even in high-active people (can't bring myself to write peoples) I've thought/obsessed over/read about this a lot in the last year and a half, and armed with the confidence that comes with an A.A. degree (general studies), I can tell you how it seems to work. I am not declaring this as an authoritative answer, but I believe it completely based on what I've read and my own experience and experiments. 1. If you have five pounds of fat, that's 17,500 calories of fuel. An hour of hard, dreadful riding burns about 750 calories, depending on your own physiology. A groovy medium-effort ride may burn 400 calories an hour. Hey, if it's flattish and you're enjoying it, maybe 300 calories. You have tons of fuel for days of riding without eating.as long as you fuel your rides with your fat. You still have to drink, and may need to replenish some calcium and potassium and salt, but you can do that in low-to-no carb ways. 2. You can think of your exercising (riding) as having three zones, depending on effort level as determined by heart rate. The numbers you're about to read are approximate for most people, and at least make the point. Here goes: • below 70 percent of max heart rate, your muscles can easily get all the oxygen they need from body fat. BUT if you have high insulin levels in your blood (from power bars, gatorade, bananas, and yes, even the sainted medjool date), then your body stops burning fat right NOW, and will burn the glucose instead. You cannot access your body fat as fuel when your blood is swimming with insulin. Insulin is a metabolic hormone that dictates fuel usage. Practically, this means you can ride happily and comfortably without even eating. I can and often have ridden 4-hours without food, even at a decent effort. I drink. • in the training zone, btw about 70 and high 80s percent of maxheartrate, you will still burn fat in the absence of blood insulin, BUT...you'll lose efficiency, because carbs are better at supplying your muscles with the high levels of oxygen that harder efforts demand. If you race, you need the carbs. Or, if you plan to ride a fast brevet, eat the dates. If you're a Walter Mitty type even on solo rides or disorganized rides with friends, then for all intents and purposes you are a racer, and will benefit from carbs. There is good and bad. Good is: You can eat the goopy tasty carbs without the glucose-insulin spike, because you burn them up. Bad is: You're burning up your chow, not your fat. There's no way around this. If you want to go low-carb for 90 percent of the time, but can't stand the idea of never again eating your favorite high-carb treats, eat them before and during a longish hardish ride. • most people are anaerobic above 90 percent of MHR. You can't ride that hard for more than about 40 seconds, and even repeated intervals don't depend on dietary chow. You will be slightly more efficient (faster) with high glucose levels (and insulin) than with low-glucose (from carbless eats), but intervals are a sometime-thing, and the whole point is to supertax and supercharge your muscles, makem stronger by tearing them down so they rebuild better...and train them to become more insulin-sensitive
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting refutation of Gary Taubes' obesity ideas
I would like to know some of the meals/foods people who are following the Taubes book and his philosophy are eating. Anything really special that you have made that made your taste buds go wow, that was good? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Rwc6EVL0tRYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting refutation of Gary Taubes' obesity ideas
I've been trying to post on this subject since it started with no luck..maybe thus time. The Taubes/Paleo/Marks daily apple approach has been working for us we've lost fat weight, feel better and we've tried other approaches over the years. These ideas make sense and are very similar to what we grew up hearing from our parents that basically excessive sugary, starchy foods will fatten you up..some may not be as affected but many appear to be easy weight gainers. There is always the beanpole among us who can eat virtually anything and not gain a pound but I like to experience when something works for me and my body type. So far I'm down 24 pounds and I generally feel better than I have in a long time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1HUMyjLduF8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Build
As for pedals, given that you don't clip-in and you've got larger feet, these should pique your interest: http://www.thecyclistsite.com/reviews/2011/7/15/introducing-ergons-pc2-pedals-on-test.html http://bikeshopgirl.com/2011/08/preview-ergon-pc2-pedals/ http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com/2011/07/ergon-pc2-l-pedals-first-impressions.html http://www.thegearcaster.com/the_gearcaster/2010/09/the-ergon-pc2-pedals-for-a-better-bike-commute.html I haven't tried these though the more I read, the more I think I'm going to. I like to be clipped-in with toe clips but on my Long Haul Trucker (I don't have a RIV), the SOMA toe clips and straps I got from Riv interact too frequently with my front fender. I've tried Power Grips from Riv and may try HoldFast straps as well but I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that if a stellar platform existed, I may not want/need to be clipped-in (again, talking toe clips here). I hadn't thought that much abount the platform itself in my setup (I use MKS touring) but having read a lot about people migrating more and more toward bigger platforms (think GripKing, BMX platforms, etc.), it seems that folks seemingly are looking for this pedal. I admit that they look a little weird and they do challenge my sense of aesthetics, but if they're pleasurable, I'll adapt. I'll probably order them soon as I think they'd be easy to unload if they're not my cup of tea. Intreaguing, no? Anyway, I think these were made for guys like us -- clydesdales! Cheers On Aug 13, 4:08 pm, Brother Beaker vargo.m...@gmail.com wrote: After the untimely demise of my Rambouillet, I have decided that the way to go is with a SH. I am fortunate that my LBS has both a 60 cm orange frame and a builder who actually worked for RBW. I am having a great time contemplating that build and Shawn has offered to let me essentially test ride all sorts of components, permitting a test ride with different pedals, tires, bars, etc. That being said, I hate to abuse the privilege and would like to narrow things down somewhat before going nuts. I am open to suggestions for specific gear that people love, as well as things that never worked the way they should. To give you some idea of how I expect to ride, I live in the Black Hills of South Dakota, so there are very few flat roads. I am a life- long cyclist. My favorite rides are solo. I am not fast. I am a big rider, 6'3 and 270 lbs. I ride on roads, fire trails and a great rail-trail system that we have here that is very similar to riding on gravel roads. I climb because I have to, descend like a penguin, and have a 10-mile commute (each way) that involves about a 1,000 feet net descent on the way to work. The parts of the build that are already set are the frame and fork, 700mm Velocity Synergy and Dyad rims and a rear Nitto rack that will accommodate two vintage panniers and a Baggins saddle bag which was the only thing to survive the death of the Ram. I had a Brooks B17 on the Ram and intend to do that again on the SH (yes, the rails of the saddle are bent beyond repair). Tires are tentatively 35 mm Panaracer Pasela Tourguards. I had two-sided pedals on the Ram (one side for clips, the other for platforms) and I so rarely clipped in that I am looking for a good platform that will work with my clown shoes (size 13E). I am intrigued by Mustache bars, but not certain that I can leave the drops (maybe Noodles) behind. I am not at all worried about the weight of the build. I figure that any poundage problems are my fault, not the bike's. Other considerations: I have a Voodoo Rada, from their 1998-2000 incarnation which answers for any occasion on which I feel the need to go fast, a clearly relative term. For the true single-track in the area, I have a nice Kona Kula. (My lab actually reacts differently when I get the Kona out, which means that she gets to come along). Just because there are never enough bikes, I also have an old Trek 400, which is the bike I loan people so we can ride together and a 1950's single-speed steel tandem that probably weighs 50+ pounds. I want the SH to be the all-arounder and go-to ride, as my Ram was . . . the one I take for my long rides, which for me means 6-8 hours with breaks as I see fit at a glacial pace. Anyone who made it this far is clearly a fanatic and worthy of expressing opinions. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] For Sale - 60 cm Rivendell Quickbeam
This is the old-style Quickbeam, in excellent condition. Components: --Brooks leather saddle --White Industries freewheel --Araya rims --Nitto technomic stem 6cm --Nitto mustache bar --Tektro brakes with Coolstop pads --Pasela Tourguard Blue 700x37 tires --Minoura kickstand Bike is in excellent condition. Located in Washington DC area. Willing to ship. $1100. Please email me at wardbr...@hotmail.com; my name is Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] For Sale - 58 cm Rivendell Atlantis w/ SS couplers
If you know Rivendells, you know that the 58 cm Atlantis is hard to find, perhaps because it is the smallest frame with 700cc wheels. This bike is a one-of-a-kind Atlantis, in custom black paint with SS couplers. It has top of the line components: --Velocity Aerohead rims with a Phil Wood cassette rear hub (36h with asym rim) and Phil Wood front hub (32h). --Paul Neo-Retro cantilever brakes --Vintage XT motorcycle brake levers --Ultegra 9sp cassette --960 series XTR rear derailleur (no front derailleur) --9sp Dura Ace shifter --Sugino XD crank with 38t ring and Sugino 24t or 26t ring and Salsa chainguard --Technomic stem (tall, with 10-11cm extension) CrMo Albatross bar --Ritchey cable couplers --Cascadia fenders --SRAM chain --Schwalbe Marathon Plus 700x38 tires with good tread --Minoura kickstand Bike is in excellent condition. Located in Washington DC area. Willing to ship. $2500. Please email me at wardbr...@hotmail.com; my name is Steve PICS: http://imgur.com/a/uS6x5 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What would Taubes put in a Boxy (or Candy Bar) Bag for a long ride
In Paleo Diet for Athletes, stuff like gels, etc., are allowed and matter-of-factly permitted. I follow this Paleo things pretty closely, but liberally partake of Clif Shots, Shot Bloks, and Honey Stinger Waffles. In said book there is a aformula to calculate the amount of Carb, protein, and fluid intake for a given event. Well worth reading as a companion to Taubes' book. On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 7:30 PM, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: Sorry to resuscitate a dying thread, but here goes: I like the way the Taubes/Paleo makes me feel - -won't rehash. Problem I have is long rides - - 4 to 12 hours. I have not figured out the Taubesian foods work to keep you going during the ride, or how to handle that feeling of post-ride starvation. What do you eat during the ride, and how do you handle the post-ride meal? I don't think I should be putting Candy Bars in my Candy Bar Bag, but hard boiled eggs and raw broccoli aren't getting me through the long days. Any suggestions? Thanks. I know this post is not really Rivendell related, and the Candy Bar Bag humor is weak. RL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Taking my Atlantis on tour again
Bon Voyage Robert. I'll be checking to see your progress. What is your southernmost destination? Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Build
I actually discussed this Friday. I think I am going to set it up, but I expect that I will get used to and leave on one bar for most of the time. Thanks to all for the comments and suggestions. I may have to re-think the tires. I had 28's on the Ram and was hesitant to take too large a jump up in width, but after all the comments, I will look into it. Pictures as warranted! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/QaLL-FsCA9MJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] For Sale - 58 cm Rivendell Atlantis w/ SS couplers
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 8:38 PM, steve wardbr...@hotmail.com wrote: If you know Rivendells, you know that the 58 cm Atlantis is hard to find, perhaps because it is the smallest frame with 700cc wheels. This bike is a one-of-a-kind Atlantis, in custom black paint with SS couplers. It has top of the line components: --Velocity Aerohead rims with a Phil Wood cassette rear hub (36h with asym rim) and Phil Wood front hub (32h). --Paul Neo-Retro cantilever brakes --Vintage XT motorcycle brake levers --Ultegra 9sp cassette --960 series XTR rear derailleur (no front derailleur) --9sp Dura Ace shifter --Sugino XD crank with 38t ring and Sugino 24t or 26t ring and Salsa chainguard --Technomic stem (tall, with 10-11cm extension) CrMo Albatross bar --Ritchey cable couplers --Cascadia fenders --SRAM chain --Schwalbe Marathon Plus 700x38 tires with good tread --Minoura kickstand Bike is in excellent condition. Located in Washington DC area. Willing to ship. $2500. Please email me at wardbr...@hotmail.com; my name is Steve PICS: http://imgur.com/a/uS6x5 Is this Jim Thill's old bike? -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW
on 8/6/11 3:46 PM, Jim Mather at mather...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 10:47 AM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: Actually, the route he's talking about adds the Pine Mountain climb, then dips down before climbing up to the ridge (which I'd called Westridge rather than Ridgecrest). The total climbing is about 5500' overall. So the route takes BoFax from Fairfax, and then turns onto Ridgecrest? I haven't done that one. Have you done it on your Quickbeam? Also, when I think of Pine Mountain, I think of a mountain bike loop ride I've done. How do you add Pine Mountain to the Tam route? Basically, just head out of Fairfax on BoFax (Bolinas-Fairfax Road, for alla youse non-locals) and you will crest out above the golf course at the entrance to the Pine Mountain loop (fire road). So, it's not technically Pine Mountain per se, but you skirt the entrance to that ride. West Ridgecrest dead-ends into BoFax (and if you get a mixed-terrain hankering, you can pick up Bolinas Ridge Fire Trail and head north on that). If you wanted to add the Pine Mountain off-pavement loop to that, there are a few ways to do it, most of which would require some noticeable climbing and mixed-terrain linkups. I'd pack extra food. And water. But, I was really just talking about the paved route I'd posted. Hope that makes sense, - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] For Sale - 58 cm Rivendell Atlantis w/ SS couplers
Has to be -- no decals like Jim's. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Seth Vidal Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 12:55 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] For Sale - 58 cm Rivendell Atlantis w/ SS couplers On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 8:38 PM, steve wardbr...@hotmail.com wrote: If you know Rivendells, you know that the 58 cm Atlantis is hard to find, perhaps because it is the smallest frame with 700cc wheels. This bike is a one-of-a-kind Atlantis, in custom black paint with SS couplers. It has top of the line components: --Velocity Aerohead rims with a Phil Wood cassette rear hub (36h with asym rim) and Phil Wood front hub (32h). --Paul Neo-Retro cantilever brakes --Vintage XT motorcycle brake levers --Ultegra 9sp cassette --960 series XTR rear derailleur (no front derailleur) --9sp Dura Ace shifter --Sugino XD crank with 38t ring and Sugino 24t or 26t ring and Salsa chainguard --Technomic stem (tall, with 10-11cm extension) CrMo Albatross bar --Ritchey cable couplers --Cascadia fenders --SRAM chain --Schwalbe Marathon Plus 700x38 tires with good tread --Minoura kickstand Bike is in excellent condition. Located in Washington DC area. Willing to ship. $2500. Please email me at wardbr...@hotmail.com; my name is Steve PICS: http://imgur.com/a/uS6x5 Is this Jim Thill's old bike? -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] For Sale - 58 cm Rivendell Atlantis w/ SS couplers
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Has to be -- no decals like Jim's. And it has the salsa crossing guard on the outside chainring space. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 50K of mixed terrain fun!
On Aug 9, 7:41 am, Ely Rodriguez elyk...@gmail.com wrote: I really would like to have a mixed permanente here in SF. You'd have to check with Rob, but I think the issue in getting the permanentes officially recognized was that the route needs to be the most direct (or maybe it was reasonably direct) means between points. There's something about the alternatives of paved routes that has prevented RUSA from recognizing them. Of course, Carlos has listed a few specific options - http://bike.duque.net/ride-calendar.htm And if you ever are wondering about a route, feel free to contact me directly. There are usually some sort of non-paved options throughout the north bay, for sure. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com 'You both ride your bike?' He held his hands out and grabbed imaginary handlebars, grinning indulgently, eyeing Tom's helmet. Double disbeleif: not one, but two grown Americans riding bicycles. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Grant's new game...
Yeah, wellI hope you're happy, Rene...you spoiled it for everybody. Game closed for life. Never again. Yes, I am joking. Sincere congrats, and yes, I was shocked. Based on those first two throws, I thought no way in heck. I allowed you those two mulligans because I felt sorry for you. Now I feel set-up. Warning to all: Don't play poker with Rene! Congratulations, though. I was shockeder than I looked. Double or nothing the next time you come by? The game came up because it was a slow morning. Had to be productive. Turned out...productive only for Rene. I think we ended up in black. I think we covered staff lunches. (Glad you won, seriously.) G On Aug 13, 9:53 pm, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, This Saturday afternoon I drove to RBW to exchange a pair of brand new 50mm Big Apples (I'm using the 60mm BAs) and take a look at the new sweaters. Much to my surprise, when I arrived I found that Jay and Grant were there in addition to Harry and the usual Saturday contingent. My son was with me and I introduced him to Grant who showed me his new game/challenge for visiting customers. On the outside metal wall, at different heights starting at about 10 - 12 feet (my guess) he had placed a bunch of magnets and the contest was basically to throw a lug up and get it to stick to one of the magnets. The RBW bunch had obviously been practicing as there were a few of them on the wall, but Grant proudly showed me the rules sheet and asked me if I wanted to try. Based on the height of the magnets, if you were succesful in getting a lug to stick to one, you'd win different discounts. You have 3 shots to make it. The rules also explain that hitting a magnet won't work, you basically have to throw the lug in such a way that at the peak of the throw, right when it's pretty much motionless before coming back down, it makes contact with the magnet so it stays stuck. I did my first two throws which didn't even touch the wall, but were peaking close to my target magnet and Grant, seeing how bad I was, promptly told me that they were my two free tries for warm-up and now the real count began. First real throw again didn't touch the wall but peaked well, second throw hit the wall too low on the way down, third throw was perfect! The lug peaked right next to the magnet, barely touching it but getting locked just as it was starting to come down. Grant couldn't believe it! Apparently they've all tried and deemed it quite difficult to accomplish. That they could go 20+ throws in a row and still not make it. What did I win? $200 off or 25% off. As I couldn't really get another frame for the 25% off, I took the $200 off my order and got the WoollyWarm vest and the sargeant sweater for free, paying just $50+ after exchanging the BAs for a pair of 40mm Duremes and a brass bell. Photos are here: *http://tinyurl.com/3fdj5f7* ** I don't know for how long Grant will keep this challenge going on, but if you are on the fence regarding visiting RBW headquarters to do some shopping vs. ordering online, I suggest you visit in person and try your luck or your skills. My winning lug is the third from the right on the photos. Grant still couldn't believe I had won when I left... :-) René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Grant's new game...
It IS hard, though I managed a lowly 10% off my purchase. Congrats on the sweet throw! -Brian On Aug 13, 9:53 pm, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, This Saturday afternoon I drove to RBW to exchange a pair of brand new 50mm Big Apples (I'm using the 60mm BAs) and take a look at the new sweaters. Much to my surprise, when I arrived I found that Jay and Grant were there in addition to Harry and the usual Saturday contingent. My son was with me and I introduced him to Grant who showed me his new game/challenge for visiting customers. On the outside metal wall, at different heights starting at about 10 - 12 feet (my guess) he had placed a bunch of magnets and the contest was basically to throw a lug up and get it to stick to one of the magnets. The RBW bunch had obviously been practicing as there were a few of them on the wall, but Grant proudly showed me the rules sheet and asked me if I wanted to try. Based on the height of the magnets, if you were succesful in getting a lug to stick to one, you'd win different discounts. You have 3 shots to make it. The rules also explain that hitting a magnet won't work, you basically have to throw the lug in such a way that at the peak of the throw, right when it's pretty much motionless before coming back down, it makes contact with the magnet so it stays stuck. I did my first two throws which didn't even touch the wall, but were peaking close to my target magnet and Grant, seeing how bad I was, promptly told me that they were my two free tries for warm-up and now the real count began. First real throw again didn't touch the wall but peaked well, second throw hit the wall too low on the way down, third throw was perfect! The lug peaked right next to the magnet, barely touching it but getting locked just as it was starting to come down. Grant couldn't believe it! Apparently they've all tried and deemed it quite difficult to accomplish. That they could go 20+ throws in a row and still not make it. What did I win? $200 off or 25% off. As I couldn't really get another frame for the 25% off, I took the $200 off my order and got the WoollyWarm vest and the sargeant sweater for free, paying just $50+ after exchanging the BAs for a pair of 40mm Duremes and a brass bell. Photos are here: *http://tinyurl.com/3fdj5f7* ** I don't know for how long Grant will keep this challenge going on, but if you are on the fence regarding visiting RBW headquarters to do some shopping vs. ordering online, I suggest you visit in person and try your luck or your skills. My winning lug is the third from the right on the photos. Grant still couldn't believe I had won when I left... :-) René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] OK, I'll bite
Yeah, and what about the Haiku contest? Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2011, at 5:30 PM, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: We just keep our cc's/checkbooks warmed up. On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 6:44 PM, David T. davidtren...@yahoo.ca wrote: Whatever happened to The Mystery Bike? The one you had to buy sight unseen. I've been waiting for the other shoe to drop. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: 63 cm A. Homer Hilsen Frame and Fork
I'm reluctantly parting with my A. Homer Hilsen frame and fork. It is a 63cm single top-tube frame. See photos and read more about it here: http://tinyurl.com/42awkkl - that's the eBay ad I'll use if it doesn't sell here. The last AHH I saw for sale on eBay went for $1,280, plus $60 shipping. Based on that, I'll ask for $1,200, which will include shipping to the lower 48. Please PM me with your interest. Thanks! Wally -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Ipod3yUj2SwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What would Taubes put in a Boxy (or Candy Bar) Bag for a long ride
I make some trail mix with raw almonds, raisins, unsweetened coconut, and chocolate chips or (ideally, if I have any around) dark chocolate. I'm not sure how well it works as fuel, but it's darn tasty. Eric On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 8:30 PM, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: Sorry to resuscitate a dying thread, but here goes: I like the way the Taubes/Paleo makes me feel - -won't rehash. Problem I have is long rides - - 4 to 12 hours. I have not figured out the Taubesian foods work to keep you going during the ride, or how to handle that feeling of post-ride starvation. What do you eat during the ride, and how do you handle the post-ride meal? I don't think I should be putting Candy Bars in my Candy Bar Bag, but hard boiled eggs and raw broccoli aren't getting me through the long days. Any suggestions? Thanks. I know this post is not really Rivendell related, and the Candy Bar Bag humor is weak. RL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Gary Taube
Ta. Am downloading it now (it costs $1.00 more than the long one, but condensation is worth it for those of us with short attention spans). Patrick eager to find out about rice eaters, pasta eaters, potato eaters, yam eaters, corn eaters, wheat eaters, rye eaters, barley eaters, that Ethiopian-grain-eaters, taro eaters, manioc eaters, etc etc etc who actually liked and played with the idea of starting a low carb diet a year or so ago and gave it up for some reason -- probably short attention span Moore On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Good Calories Bad Calories is an 800 page book targeted at the biological scientific research community; Why We Get Fat is a synopsis of that book designed for the rest of us. michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/65BRHQmmPOYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: ebay green Quickbeam 56 (58?)
Right on. I like the new Citroen Acadiane because it is about 1/2 the width (and length) of a F150 and I can park it in my smallish 23-car while not disturbing the bikes. But the Taurus, wide, fat thing, that stays outside where it belongs. On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 11:58 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: that sure looks like a 58. I have a 58 Ram and the size looks the same. I'd be interested but I'm moving to a house with a 1 car garage in a week with 5 bikes and a tandem. I 'm not sure I can fit the ones I have. and I promised someone I would not get another bike until I make sure I can fit them into the garage. What are you talking about? 1 car garage is at least 12x18. that's 216 sq ft. If you cannot fit 5 bikes and a tandem in there you're not even TRYING. I popped into visit a friend of mine today. He was reorganizing his 1 car garage this weekend. He decided to take a head count on his bikes: 13 bikes. Some of them hung from things, some of them in a work stand, most completely functional. So you shouldn't have any problem at all. Oh wait... You weren't thinking of doing something silly like putting a car in there, are you? -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Gary Taube
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 2:26 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Ta. Am downloading it now (it costs $1.00 more than the long one, but condensation is worth it for those of us with short attention spans). Patrick eager to find out about rice eaters, pasta eaters, potato eaters, yam eaters, corn eaters, wheat eaters, rye eaters, barley eaters, that Ethiopian-grain-eaters, taro eaters, manioc eaters, etc etc etc who actually liked and played with the idea of starting a low carb diet a year or so ago and gave it up for some reason -- probably short attention span Moore To bring this back around to the list subject matter: I would recommend this book for the above: The Attention Deficit Disorder Association's Book of Wild Animals of North Amer- Hey! Let's Go Ride Our Bikes! look for it on your nearest tab- oh look they have angry birds! -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] ISO/WTT: thirty six-hole, DH N72-level or better, or heck, SON, dynohub
I am giving up on getting a bottle to work with the tt-mounted remote-control lever on the Herse and will get Dave Porter simpy to remove the un-needed braze ons and install a hub dyno. I have various things to trade, notable among which is a 32-hole, disk-model, DH N72 to which may be added, to sweeten, a very-low-mile Shimano 29er 135 OL 29-er specific (tha's what they told me) rear hub; a 36-hole, ver' nice old style, silver, low flange Dura Ace front hub, an XT 7 speed rear cassette hub, and various other sundries (if that is not a pleonasm or tautological redundancy; or even if it is ...). Cash is also something that might not be outside of the realm of possibility. Also! Would be interested in negotiating a trade/purchase of a nice, Cyo or Edeluxe. Ta! PAM -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through the night Blazing high above your head; But in you is the Presence that will be When all the stars are dead. (Rilke, Buddha in Glory) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] WTB: set of 700c wheels - 130mm rear
Looking for a set of 700c wheels - 130mm rear. Don't need anything super-duper fancy - but I thought I'd put a feeler out on this list to see if anyone had anything. thanks, -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 50K of mixed terrain fun!
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 10:18 -0700, CycloFiend wrote: On Aug 9, 7:41 am, Ely Rodriguez elyk...@gmail.com wrote: I really would like to have a mixed permanente here in SF. You'd have to check with Rob, but I think the issue in getting the permanentes officially recognized was that the route needs to be the most direct (or maybe it was reasonably direct) means between points. There's something about the alternatives of paved routes that has prevented RUSA from recognizing them. I raised your question with Crista Borras, RUSA Permanent Coordinator. Here's what she said: There are, in fact, many mixed paved/unpaved permanent routes. They just have to be controlled like any other permanent route. Sometimes, in fact, an unpaved road might be part of a more direct route. It as a challenge to design an attractive route on scenic, quiet roads that is, in fact, controlled adequately. The route taken between controls should be as direct as possible to avoid the potential for shortcuts. This is true regardless of whether a road is paved or unpaved. As a general rule the cued distance between any two successive controls should be no more than 10% longer than the most direct route between those controls, unless the more direct route incorporates roads that are illegal to cyclists (interstates or otherwise limited access roads), significant stretches of high-traffic, high-speed roads with no shoulder, unpaved roads, or roads that are dangerous to cyclists for some other good reason (e.g., a steep, twisty-turny mountain road with logging trucks, poor sight lines and no shoulder). Not every ride, of course, lends itself to a permanent route because to control it would mean having so many controls that the rider would have to stop so much that it would become an annoyance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What would Taubes put in a Boxy (or Candy Bar) Bag for a long ride
I went looking for a Larabar recipies and found this http://www.healthhabits.ca/2010/06/18/homemade-larabar-recipes/ i was curious how this woman eats 2 bars per workout! How long does she work out, are these bars less calories then regular energy bars? They do not look appetizing (i find very few bars appetizing looking), but i'm willing to try them, i like the no additional sugar part. However i have this sneaking suspicion that there is an ethnic/basic equivalent of these bars. I find it hard to believe that no-one before Larabars came up with this recipe of dates and nuts... On Aug 14, 9:07 pm, Eric Daume ericda...@gmail.com wrote: I make some trail mix with raw almonds, raisins, unsweetened coconut, and chocolate chips or (ideally, if I have any around) dark chocolate. I'm not sure how well it works as fuel, but it's darn tasty. Eric On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 8:30 PM, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: Sorry to resuscitate a dying thread, but here goes: I like the way the Taubes/Paleo makes me feel - -won't rehash. Problem I have is long rides - - 4 to 12 hours. I have not figured out the Taubesian foods work to keep you going during the ride, or how to handle that feeling of post-ride starvation. What do you eat during the ride, and how do you handle the post-ride meal? I don't think I should be putting Candy Bars in my Candy Bar Bag, but hard boiled eggs and raw broccoli aren't getting me through the long days. Any suggestions? Thanks. I know this post is not really Rivendell related, and the Candy Bar Bag humor is weak. RL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Rivendell Little Loafer, tan
To all, Hello, this bag has been sitting on my wife's bike for the past three years and she told me she is making one for herself so this one has to go. It is an older Rivendell Little Loafer, tan. They made a few versions of this bag and you can see pictures here. I removed the leather patch the day I bought it. http://www.flickr.com/photos/19694929@N00/ $85 shipped to lower 48 states. Please reply off list. Thanks, Ron -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/7mDvsEK9wNUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What would Taubes put in a Boxy (or Candy Bar) Bag for a long ride
I have long considered dates to be the original powerbar, and will eat them but have to be pretty darn desperate before I'll eat any bar. Obviously though many people are just the opposite. What I do like for long ride refueling is a ham sandwich, or two, made with the best ham and bread I can find, with olive oil on the bread. I can feel the rejuvenation when the sandwich hits a half or or so after eating. Tim On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: I went looking for a Larabar recipies and found this http://www.healthhabits.ca/2010/06/18/homemade-larabar-recipes/ i was curious how this woman eats 2 bars per workout! How long does she work out, are these bars less calories then regular energy bars? They do not look appetizing (i find very few bars appetizing looking), but i'm willing to try them, i like the no additional sugar part. However i have this sneaking suspicion that there is an ethnic/basic equivalent of these bars. I find it hard to believe that no-one before Larabars came up with this recipe of dates and nuts... On Aug 14, 9:07 pm, Eric Daume ericda...@gmail.com wrote: I make some trail mix with raw almonds, raisins, unsweetened coconut, and chocolate chips or (ideally, if I have any around) dark chocolate. I'm not sure how well it works as fuel, but it's darn tasty. Eric On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 8:30 PM, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: Sorry to resuscitate a dying thread, but here goes: I like the way the Taubes/Paleo makes me feel - -won't rehash. Problem I have is long rides - - 4 to 12 hours. I have not figured out the Taubesian foods work to keep you going during the ride, or how to handle that feeling of post-ride starvation. What do you eat during the ride, and how do you handle the post-ride meal? I don't think I should be putting Candy Bars in my Candy Bar Bag, but hard boiled eggs and raw broccoli aren't getting me through the long days. Any suggestions? Thanks. I know this post is not really Rivendell related, and the Candy Bar Bag humor is weak. RL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] First Platrack/Slickersack impressions...
After getting a Slickersack on my famous winning visit to RBW on Saturday to go with the Platrack I had ordered a few weeks before, I proceeded to install them on the Atlantis to use on my work commute. When I stopped using the medium Saddlesack on the Atlantis due to the shimmy it was creating when loaded with the laptop and clothes, I began my search for a better alternative. I also love bags, so coming up with an excuse to try the different Sackville options among a few others wasn't exactly unbearable for me. While my old Arkel commuter worked, I've never been too happy with it and I always felt it just didn't fit nicely with the whole Atlantis/Rivendell look I like so much. So, I got the Sackville panniers which are nice for commuting and using around but aren't the best to carry and protect my largish 14 Dell laptop with its extended battery. It does fit, but there is no protection, no padding and no seal against dirt/water. They work very well for clothes and miscelaneous and are wonderful at doing the additional function of protecting the rear of the frame from other bikes when taking it on Caltrain. They look pretty much the same loaded or unloaded as the canvas is quite stiff and the fact that each one has a zippered exterenal pocket is excellent for IDs, keys, wallet, etc. I don't quite understand how to use the bungee balls to tie the bottoms to the rack, but I came up with my own way to use them on the top of the rack. I forgot to ask Grant how to use them. I just used zip-ties on the bottoms, but that makes them non-removable. Next came the Slickersack which I debated with myself for a long time before deciding to get one. The laptop fits snuggly with its neoprene sleeve since the bag is flexible and I placed the two flexible dividers on the bottom to provide additional padding. In that sense, it works very well and still has room for other stuff to go on top. The fit was perfect, the rack is very solid and better yet, provides the additional protection for the front of the frame while on the train. I'll have to see if between the panniers and the Platrack the downtube cannot be scratched by the pedals of other bikes that are leaned against it, and I know that it's going to be unavoidable long term, but the more I can do to prevent it the better. It's one thing to get beausage on your bike from riding it or getting chain-suck (which sucks real bad) and another from getting it because other riders carelessly throw their beaters on top of your bike since they don't care about theirs... Anyway, coming back to the Slickersack, as soon as I put my laptop inside, the first thing I noticed was how hard it was to keep it on the dual kickstand without the wheel completely flopping over. Thanks to StatrixBob's advice, I put some bartape on the corners where the rack rubs against the top of the downtube if the wheel flops completely. That spot is right in between the two downtube braze-ons for the shifters so downtube shifters would also protect it and then discovered that my Kleen Kanteen 27oz bottle with sports cap also stops the rack from hitting the down tube as long as the bottle is in the cage. Still, it's a bit of a hassle. Riding with the loaded Slickersack was very nice. There is a bit of a different feeling on the handlebars that you adjust to right away and best of all, the shimmy was significantly reduced with the front load. Sometimes, due to the flex of the frame (no diagonal tube on my 61 Atlantis) coupled to the higher handlebars on the DirtDrop stem, I can feel front wheel hits over rough stuff translated as flex on the bars which I also call shimmy as it's a bit disconcerting. But riding no handed on a shallow incline showed the real shimmy was significantly reduced. I will be having the CK headset swapped for a NOS Stronglight needle bearing headset I was lucky to find on eBay to see if as expected, it reduces or eliminates the shimmy on the Atlantis. As a comparison, the unloaded Hunqapillar with its Tange headset doesn't even have a hint of shimmy or handlebar flex. I'll report once I load it with the different bags. The actual commute itself was just marvelous. There was no wind so the water was like a mirror, the birds were majestic, the temperature ranged from 55 - 65 on the almost 2 hour, 19.5 mile ride. The best part is that aside from getting from my house in Palo Alto to the Arrastradero bike bridge (the underpass at the end of East Meadow is still closed), everything else is either on mostly dirt trails. The only paved section is on Shoreline Park. A tail wind would have been nice, but doing the ride in the morning is much nicer than doing it in the evening when you're battling the headwind all the way through. As the days get progressively shorter and the sun starts rising progressively later during the ride, the sights are going to be priceless. Just like the sunset rides but without the headwind... :-) Here are some photos from this morning's commute: *
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's new game...
Grant... you can't make me feel bad!!! LOL!!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] WTB: set of 700c wheels - 130mm rear
On most modern rear hubs, the change from 135 to 130 and viceversa is very easy to do. I have two sets of wheels that I used on my carbon road bikes that I made the change to when I first got my Homer. One has a Power Meter which is now useless for me and I'm considering selling it. While I'm sure you are going to be able to find cheaper options, if you or anyone else is interested, let me know. F/R rims are Mavic Open Pros, 32 spokes each, front hub is Ultegra and rear hub is a PowerTap Elite+ which is ANT compatible. The PowerTap hub alone is $850 or so. I'm asking $850 for the whole wheelset. While I doubt that anyone on the list is interested in measuring their power output, there may be people with Roadeos or other light bikes that may be interested. Their condition is almost new with very low mileage. Black spokes and rims, unfortunately... :-) 135mm spacing easily converted to 130 with a kit. René On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: Looking for a set of 700c wheels - 130mm rear. Don't need anything super-duper fancy - but I thought I'd put a feeler out on this list to see if anyone had anything. thanks, -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW
I will reserve one campground that will take up to 8 people. From what I gathered online, you have to have a reservation but it's for any open spot. I guess that as long as there are open spots, you can always show up and pay at the park but like you, I'd like to know that I'm assured of a spot before I go. René On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Tony tony.m...@astound.net wrote: Was someone going to reserve a site or two? Let us know, it sounds like some people want to go for sure and some are tentative. I would need to switch some plans, but would like to participate if I knew there was a place to plop my bag that night. Thanks, Tony On Aug 11, 10:55 am, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote: Checking in from the high sierra. This is a ride where you get the freedom to choose how to get up there. If some want to take roads, others want to take dirt, great. Juniper is just shy of 3000 feet. I tend to ride up on the roads, and take dirt back down from around the junction. Just because I like to get there before too late in the day, and enjoy climbing on smooth pavement. The dirt trail to Juniper Camp, if you're talking about burma road, is entirely a pushing up the hill affair--I did it once and won't again. Too steep to be much more than a good workout and opportunity to mumble to oneself. It'll be hot, and if we're lucky there'll be tarantulas out. They're nice fellows, so you won't need a tent so long as you've got a warm enough bag. Maybe we should just meet at RBW, seeing as this is the RBW list. I'm fine with that one too, and I imagine there'll be a few last minute things folks'll want to pick up. Cheers, erik On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Greg J gregkj...@gmail.com wrote: Count me in (tentative). I've been wanting to dip my toes into the whole s24o thing. Greg Oakland -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/0Pmts5aR0AQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW
One campground confirmed for up to 8 people @ Juniper campground for September 24. René On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 4:38 PM, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: I will reserve one campground that will take up to 8 people. From what I gathered online, you have to have a reservation but it's for any open spot. I guess that as long as there are open spots, you can always show up and pay at the park but like you, I'd like to know that I'm assured of a spot before I go. René On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:18 AM, Tony tony.m...@astound.net wrote: Was someone going to reserve a site or two? Let us know, it sounds like some people want to go for sure and some are tentative. I would need to switch some plans, but would like to participate if I knew there was a place to plop my bag that night. Thanks, Tony On Aug 11, 10:55 am, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote: Checking in from the high sierra. This is a ride where you get the freedom to choose how to get up there. If some want to take roads, others want to take dirt, great. Juniper is just shy of 3000 feet. I tend to ride up on the roads, and take dirt back down from around the junction. Just because I like to get there before too late in the day, and enjoy climbing on smooth pavement. The dirt trail to Juniper Camp, if you're talking about burma road, is entirely a pushing up the hill affair--I did it once and won't again. Too steep to be much more than a good workout and opportunity to mumble to oneself. It'll be hot, and if we're lucky there'll be tarantulas out. They're nice fellows, so you won't need a tent so long as you've got a warm enough bag. Maybe we should just meet at RBW, seeing as this is the RBW list. I'm fine with that one too, and I imagine there'll be a few last minute things folks'll want to pick up. Cheers, erik On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Greg J gregkj...@gmail.com wrote: Count me in (tentative). I've been wanting to dip my toes into the whole s24o thing. Greg Oakland -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/0Pmts5aR0AQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: ebay green Quickbeam 56 (58?)
my other half informed me that I can only use half the garage . Once I move in and can show her that they can fit and there is room for more then I'll work on more bikes.I plan on using the ceiling,walls and anyplace else. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/g1hJrO3XqRQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's new game...
That's a tempting challenge, and a slick way to draw customers. 25% off a frame is a heck of an offer, and even if I didn't get so lucky, there's no way I'd leave without spending some money. Hmm.. Joe I think I can I think I can Bernard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/84ZXvA_HOmQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What would Taubes put in a Boxy (or Candy Bar) Bag for a long ride
Well you have to ask yourself the real question.that is, If you are eating paleo are you exercising paleo? Unless you are riding at a lower pace (similar to the output of a walker) you will need to consume a higher amount of carbohydrate. Fruit and veggies are the natural thing for that. If you are riding 4-12 hours, eat fats, protein, veggies, nuts, fruit just like when you are not riding. This assumes you are trying to burn fat as you ride. Unless you continually 'top off' with carbs you'll soon be out of glucose anyway and will have to burn fat for energy. I think they call it 'the bonk'. I've just come to the conclusion that I don't like riding that long or that hard. If I can't finish my riding in a 5-6 hour day, I'm going to do the sensible thing and take a rest, eat some food and go to sleep until the next day. The best post ride food in my mind would be the same thing I eat normally just a little more of it. For protein, eggs or fish seem to digest better for me than a steak but the fat in the steak satiates better after exercising. I also like the way I feel eating primarily vegetables and meat. During a ride you askI eat fruit or nuts or berries maybe even a little turkey jerky or a teriyaki stick. Most of my riding these days however is two hours at a time or less so I rarely eat when I ride and just drink some water. I've also taken to riding my new SimpleOne and I've changed the way I ride and do more gut busting climbing coupled with easy spinning and coasting and some high velocity spinning for the fast twitch fibers. Kind of a interval type of thing like when I commute to work from light to light. On the few longer rides I've done I slow my pace quite a bit and plod along. On Aug 14, 5:30 pm, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: Sorry to resuscitate a dying thread, but here goes: I like the way the Taubes/Paleo makes me feel - -won't rehash. Problem I have is long rides - - 4 to 12 hours. I have not figured out the Taubesian foods work to keep you going during the ride, or how to handle that feeling of post-ride starvation. What do you eat during the ride, and how do you handle the post-ride meal? I don't think I should be putting Candy Bars in my Candy Bar Bag, but hard boiled eggs and raw broccoli aren't getting me through the long days. Any suggestions? Thanks. I know this post is not really Rivendell related, and the Candy Bar Bag humor is weak. RL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] First Platrack/Slickersack impressions...
Maybe these photos of how I do it will help with pannier mounting: http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/7568778/1/pannier%20bungee%20balls?h=b77ce6 Oh, and +1 for the SlickerSack! Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/DnxeLu2MelcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Little Loafer, tan
Sold, Thank you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1GUZCH-Fol0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What would Taubes put in a Boxy (or Candy Bar) Bag for a long ride
I've had a tough time with this aspect of long rides, paleo or not, and tend to get a sweet stomach from gatorade, energy gels, blocks, etc, but on longer rides I bonk if I don't eat, which ruins the ride (or hike or ski, or whatever) and presents a dilemma. I tend to do best eating eggs, sausage and a small serving of potatoes for breakfast and then eating food along the way, be it pizza or a sandwich with fruit, especially apples, and maybe some carrot sticks and cucumbers. I'd probably eat meatloaf and mashed potatoes if my mom were to meet me along the way. I'm going to try grilled cheese sandwiches this winter. The pizza and sandwich are not paleo for sure, but I'm more interested in avoiding the bonk while not getting nauseous, and I don't know how it matters when you're burning 5,000 calories on the ride. I'm obviously not a nutritionist and perhaps there is a precise way to dose yourself with pure paleo food and not bonk but in the make-it-up-as-I-go-along world this is the best I've come up with. I usually do not eat anything on rides shorter than 3 hours which seems to work well for me. My brother-in-law developed the Pro-Bar which is one of the more palatable bars (lots of fat, seeds, etc.) and I keep one in my saddle bag as a back up. I asked him about a digestible energy source for long events and he said he tells cross-country skiers and distance cyclists to take a baked potato in a ziplock with a little olive oil and salt. You could take it a step further and make it a yam or a sweet potato. Put it in a rubbermaid container in your saddle bag. Each potato comes out around 200 calories and slightly less than 50 grams of easily digested carbohydrate. Its gotta taste better than the crap they serve at the aid stations at most century rides and Mark Sisson seems to be generally approving of potatoes as an energy source. The real challenge for me is the day after the long ride. The day of the ride my appetite tends to be suppressed by the activity (especially if its hot) but it comes back with a vengeance the next day which makes diet compliance difficult. I spent today fantasizing about a Margherita pizza for instance and I started salivating just reading the post above about jamon with manchego on baguette. Still working on tweaking the post long ride menu. On Aug 15, 8:29 pm, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote: Well you have to ask yourself the real question.that is, If you are eating paleo are you exercising paleo? Unless you are riding at a lower pace (similar to the output of a walker) you will need to consume a higher amount of carbohydrate. Fruit and veggies are the natural thing for that. If you are riding 4-12 hours, eat fats, protein, veggies, nuts, fruit just like when you are not riding. This assumes you are trying to burn fat as you ride. Unless you continually 'top off' with carbs you'll soon be out of glucose anyway and will have to burn fat for energy. I think they call it 'the bonk'. I've just come to the conclusion that I don't like riding that long or that hard. If I can't finish my riding in a 5-6 hour day, I'm going to do the sensible thing and take a rest, eat some food and go to sleep until the next day. The best post ride food in my mind would be the same thing I eat normally just a little more of it. For protein, eggs or fish seem to digest better for me than a steak but the fat in the steak satiates better after exercising. I also like the way I feel eating primarily vegetables and meat. During a ride you askI eat fruit or nuts or berries maybe even a little turkey jerky or a teriyaki stick. Most of my riding these days however is two hours at a time or less so I rarely eat when I ride and just drink some water. I've also taken to riding my new SimpleOne and I've changed the way I ride and do more gut busting climbing coupled with easy spinning and coasting and some high velocity spinning for the fast twitch fibers. Kind of a interval type of thing like when I commute to work from light to light. On the few longer rides I've done I slow my pace quite a bit and plod along. On Aug 14, 5:30 pm, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: Sorry to resuscitate a dying thread, but here goes: I like the way the Taubes/Paleo makes me feel - -won't rehash. Problem I have is long rides - - 4 to 12 hours. I have not figured out the Taubesian foods work to keep you going during the ride, or how to handle that feeling of post-ride starvation. What do you eat during the ride, and how do you handle the post-ride meal? I don't think I should be putting Candy Bars in my Candy Bar Bag, but hard boiled eggs and raw broccoli aren't getting me through the long days. Any suggestions? Thanks. I know this post is not really Rivendell related, and the Candy Bar Bag humor is weak. RL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to
[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Little Loafer, tan
Hello I'd like to purchase the bag but can't figure out how to reply off list. Sorry... not all of my pistons are firing today. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/VD1Qo66vgIEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: For Sale - 60 cm Rivendell Quickbeam
Hi Steve, Do you know if your Quickbeam has mid-fork eyelets for a rack? My understanding is that one version of the older ones didn't have them. Thanks in advance! Regards, Tom Arlington, MA On Aug 14, 8:36 pm, steve wardbr...@hotmail.com wrote: This is the old-style Quickbeam, in excellent condition. Components: --Brooks leather saddle --White Industries freewheel --Araya rims --Nitto technomic stem 6cm --Nitto mustache bar --Tektro brakes with Coolstop pads --Pasela Tourguard Blue 700x37 tires --Minoura kickstand Bike is in excellent condition. Located in Washington DC area. Willing to ship. $1100. Please email me at wardbr...@hotmail.com; my name is Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: For Sale - 58 cm Rivendell Atlantis w/ SS couplers
This is Jim Thill's old bike. I bought it from him n 2009. I didn't want to use his name in the ad, since he has nothing to do with the resale. I changed almost nothing on the bike except the tires. The bike has been ridden mainly for commutes and is in pretty much the condition I received it (very good). Sorry about incomplete email address. It should say wardbr...@hotmail.com. I will try to get some better quality pictures soon. Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Grant's new game...
Interesting game day today. You probably had to be there, but let's see what I can do here... Group of four from Colorado, one guy familiar, and the other new, 6ft-8in, riding a 27inch 1971 Schwinn. PBH 104.5; big guy. He tried a 64 Sam, loved it. We talked about lotsa stuff. He's a metallurgist and love steel at least half as much as I do, and all that. He saw the lugs out front on the wall, and I asked if he'd like to try. Wellyou did catch his height, right? And one of the magnets was low. Small jump-and-reach, and he got 10 percent off his $3,000+ purchase (he's getting racks and a large Sackville bag. I hope nobody out there thinks we're throwing money around willy nilly. The whole thing started as fun, and is still kinda fun, and we can't continue at this ratebut on the other hand, we're running out of magnets, too, so that's good. In the meantime, hey, he's getting a good bike and has a story to tell about it. We'll survive it, and . well, I can't actually bring myself to hope anybody fails, but I also can't say I'm not relieved when they do. Regular Jim S. tried and missed. He's only 6-4 or so...and the other guy had already used up the rogue low magnet. We are decorating the building in a unique way, though. Not sure that's worth the $500 it's cost us, but when you throw in the happy winners, it's not that badduva deal, I guess. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] WTB: set of 700c wheels - 130mm rear
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 7:35 PM, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: On most modern rear hubs, the change from 135 to 130 and viceversa is very easy to do. I have two sets of wheels that I used on my carbon road bikes that I made the change to when I first got my Homer. One has a Power Meter which is now useless for me and I'm considering selling it. While I'm sure you are going to be able to find cheaper options, if you or anyone else is interested, let me know. F/R rims are Mavic Open Pros, 32 spokes each, front hub is Ultegra and rear hub is a PowerTap Elite+ which is ANT compatible. The PowerTap hub alone is $850 or so. I'm asking $850 for the whole wheelset. While I doubt that anyone on the list is interested in measuring their power output, there may be people with Roadeos or other light bikes that may be interested. Their condition is almost new with very low mileage. Black spokes and rims, unfortunately... :-) 135mm spacing easily converted to 130 with a kit. Well, in this case the bike I have is a 84 lotus excelle that I want to switch from 27 to 700c - it's 126mm - but I figure I can cheat out to 130mm :) it's turning out to be an interesting and kinda fun project. Thanks for the suggestion. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's new game...
Well that's the first time I've been described as only 6-4 or so. I like it. Thanks Grant! And prize or not, the game is still fun. I just wanted to try it for the physics. Probably pretty easy to set up at home. I might need to copy it in my classroom. Extra credit for the physics youths who make it! Extra credit will be easy to pay out. -Jim (the short one) Warren p.s. And thanks to Jay for bending my rack stays for me to allow big Nitto rack to work with V brakes. Jay is brilliant at this. -Original Message- From: grant grant...@gmail.com Regular Jim ... tried and missed. He's only 6-4 or so...and the other guy had already used up the rogue low magnet. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
