[RBW] Re: parts made in places where worker conditions are fairly reasonable
We would be paying $1000 for a crankset. That's simply not true. White Ind., as just one US manufacturer, makes multiple cranks, including a state of the art VBC dbl crank, an excellent triple, and tandem cranks, Most of their cranks sell for around $220. I am glad that Jan Heine Grant Peterson are careful to avoid purchasing from grossly unethical suppliers but there is more to it than that. Buying anything, either food, clothing, or brake sets, from your neighbors helps to build community and strengthen the fabric of our society. I'll bet that's a big part of why many on this list buy from LBS from RBW. When the low cost producer becomes so, not by excelling in mfg. technology but by paying low wages and manipulating currency rates then working people's wages get driven down world wide and all the money collects in the hands of a few. I am sure that both asia and america have big enough markets to support their own manufacturing structure at wages that are fair to their own people. Finally it is unclear how sustainable this system is even for a small company. Grant manufactured his frames in Jpn. for many decades based on lower costs. But that lower cost was based largely on currency manipulation. Now that Japan is unable to do that, prices have risen dramatically and he is forced to look for other sources or try to work with the now seriously malnourished US mfg. base. What happens when China Korea are no longer able to sustain undervalued currencies in the face of permanent, huge trade surpluses? Will the next generation of frames be made in Afghanistan? Over the last few years I have bought BBs from Phil Wood, hubs, cranks, and pedals from White Ind., brakes from Pauls, a tandem frame from Bilenky, made with US mfg. Tange tubing,. I haven't regretted any of those purchases. michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/nu8zvnPlgoAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: parts made in places where worker conditions are fairly reasonable
Seth, I admire and support what you are trying to do, but I think it's best to not get too hung up on country of manufacture. Here's why: We sell a fair number of Surly bikes, which is a local brand in Minneapolis. People who are concerned about such things tend to focus on the fact that the frames are not actually manufactured in Minneapolis, but in Taiwan. I have heard that the landed cost of the Long Haul Trucker or Cross-Check frameset is around $75, which may be inexact, but seems close enough with the economies of scale. This means that of the $450ish MSRP, less than 20% is manufacturing and shipping to the Surly distribution points. For all the focus on manufacturing country, 80-85% of the money you spend on a Surly frameset goes somewhere else. Somewhere else is the designers, customer service people, shipping personnel, and marketing/sales staff, most of whom are local to me, and several of whom are personal friends. Around 40% goes to the LBS where you buy the frame. In other words, 80% of the price of your Taiwanese Surly frameset stays in your own country, and half of that stays with your LBS. I would imagine that Rivendell has a larger percentage tied up in manufacturing their framesets, which works for them because, by and large, there is no LBS profit margin in the equation. It's sort of depressing to chase your money around after you've spent it. Unfortunately, you can only control the first place it gets spent. After that, it gets complicated, and somewhere in the supply chain is a guy who beats his wife, votes for politicians you despise, eats the wrong food, and blows his cash on slave-made stuff at Wal-Mart. If we follow this rabbit hole far enough, we may conclude that it's better to keep the money in the sock drawer, and ride only scavenged Schwinn Varsities...or better yet, not earn money in the first place, and live as a monk. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/jb2j7zjZWBQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer
At 180 pounds, the springs on my Flyer barely and rarely compress enough to feel or even sense. I am still riding the old way, by shifting weight onto the pedals if I see a pot hole, tracks, sharp curb, etc. For me and my riding style, the springs are virtually useless. The leather on my Flyer is not at all saggy. Quite the opposite. It is the hardest Brooks I have ever owned (and, frankly, the most attractive in terms of brown tints and tones). The saddle is heavy, also. All that said, I still have it mounted on my Quickbeam for some reason. From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, October 6, 2011 9:09:56 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer I found the leather on two different Flyer saddles to stretch and lose tension really quickly. And the springs were always annoyingly squeaky. Don't know about the rail lenghts. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: This is a fuzzy memory from 5 years ago, but I would estimate the difference is about a centimeter. Grant is right about the springs: At 160lbs. back then (oh, glory days), the only difference between the two saddles was looks and weight. Those springs didn't even buzz for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/n7BzbwE2Hd0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Stem length question - WTB shorter replacement - how short???
Then again if you buy those thi gs and store the extras instead of selling them ... You have Em when you need them. I've had good luck buying quill stems from LBS's out of junk boxes for 7 to 10 bucks a pop. Find the size you like then go for the lugged version.. :) Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/loRU20nKtFIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: parts made in places where worker conditions are fairly reasonable
Jim, Those are very good points! I'll only add Can we truly know what is best for others? .. . or are we in the habit of thinking we know what's best for another based on what *we* believe to be best (based on our completely arbitrary life experience) and *telling*others what they want? There are levels and scales of this of course but we all do this to some extent. Is our life so easily and perfectly managed we have the time to perfectly manage others too? LoL! Yeah ... a good look within myself in the mirror ... and i get my answers. No one truly decides for us... yet we may choose to give some choices away. We all make decisions for ourselves. . . .we do things that we believe will make our lives appear to be a little better. There's no right or wrong answers . .. only answers that feel better or worse within the confines of oneself. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/EOEwDvDJkF8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer
The springs on the Flyer on my Atlantis squeak, too, but I find it soothing somehow. They're definitely responding to bumps etc (i'm 190 or so). And despite the fact that my Flyer is carved for decoration (I know, I know -- I can be a bit of a dandy), the leather has held up extremely well. Never wet, though. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Shine Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 9:17 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer At 180 pounds, the springs on my Flyer barely and rarely compress enough to feel or even sense. I am still riding the old way, by shifting weight onto the pedals if I see a pot hole, tracks, sharp curb, etc. For me and my riding style, the springs are virtually useless. The leather on my Flyer is not at all saggy. Quite the opposite. It is the hardest Brooks I have ever owned (and, frankly, the most attractive in terms of brown tints and tones). The saddle is heavy, also. All that said, I still have it mounted on my Quickbeam for some reason. From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, October 6, 2011 9:09:56 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer I found the leather on two different Flyer saddles to stretch and lose tension really quickly. And the springs were always annoyingly squeaky. Don't know about the rail lenghts. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.commailto:joerem...@gmail.com wrote: This is a fuzzy memory from 5 years ago, but I would estimate the difference is about a centimeter. Grant is right about the springs: At 160lbs. back then (oh, glory days), the only difference between the two saddles was looks and weight. Those springs didn't even buzz for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/n7BzbwE2Hd0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer
I'm currently using one of each, and to be honest I've never noticed a difference in usable rail length. There probably is a difference, but I'll have to do some measuring to check it out. At 160 lbs, I don't really notice any major difference in the ride on either, although I *think* I can feel the springs on the flyer working occasionally. Chuck -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/5HXJv6SNGfEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Stem length question - WTB shorter replacement - how short???
I have a 9 cm (measured end-to-end) stem made by Nitto, Not sure what model it is, but it's shorter than the technomic dynamic with only 140 mm length and 85 mm above the minimum in insertion line. Further, it's for 25.4 mm clamp diameter bars and has a hole drilled and tapped for the installation of a bell. Willing to sell for cheap if you're (or anyone else) is interested. On Oct 1, 11:29 am, Jay robin...@gmail.com wrote: I have a Sam Hillborne with a 10 cm stem Technomic and Noodle bars 5 cm above saddle height. This feels too short. I can reach all the various positions with my arms almost totally straight, but not locked. Also, I would like to try lowering the bars a few cms. Dusting off my high school trig - lowering the stem 3.25 cm puts the bars 1 cm farther away. change in stem height. With my current stem this is too far. So - 1. Do I want 8 cm or 9? 2. Does anyone have one they want to get rid off? 3. Does anyone want to buy the 10 cm, with 500 miles and a few scratches on it? Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: parts made in places where worker conditions are fairly reasonable
On Oct 6, 6:13 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I take it you are confident that your manufacturers are playing fair on their outsourcing. I am confident because our engineer actually visited the companies and saw the machinery. He visits during the production process and makes sure that everything is going according to plan. We don't work with companies who sub-contract. That is why it takes us a long time to bring products to market, and why we cannot develop a huge product line all at once. Most small makers work through agents in Taiwan, who will find a company to make their components. The manufacturer never sees the factory. Our engineer had some surprising encounters - he visited a factory who was manufacturing aluminum cranks for a U.S. company, but the factory's entire equipment consisted of injection molding machines for plastics. Clearly, they had got the job somehow and were farming it out to somebody else... most likely in China. Regarding U.S. broaching houses: I have found that working with makers who have no experience with our product type is fraught with difficulty. I would not order a randonneur bike from a framebuilder who specializes in racing frames, and I would not work with a company to make bicycle cranks unless they have experience in making them. Even when working with companies who have made bicycle cranks, we find a lot of (small) bugs that need to be worked out. Our goal is to present a product that is perfect, not leave the RD to the customers. Jan Heine Compass Bicycles Ltd. http://www.compasscycle.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: parts made in places where worker conditions are fairly reasonable
Lots of good and thought-provoking points made here by several people. I'll just add something that occurs to me. We, on this group, are consumers. I mean that both in the general and specific sense. We are all certainly consumers of rather expensive, high-quality bicycles. For some of us, that may be the one area in our lives that consumes most of our cash. But I kind of doubt that that is the case for most here. I think there are quite a few of us that fit the profile with me: Aging boomers with a comfortable amount of disposable income who spend it not only on lugged-steel bicycles, but on the more normal items of Western life. Like a fair amount of clothing, appliances, and electronics. Not to mention automobiles. So the point I am getting to is, I certainly couldn't afford to buy American in all of those areas. Maybe not even in one of them, exclusively. It would be nice. We choose here to focus on the purchases that fuel our passion, and that is certainly an appropriate discussion to have in this forum. I will think about the points raised here when I make my next bicycle-related purchase, and other purchases as well. My last one was from RBW, and both items, I think are made in Europe. And I thank Grant for making those products, and that knowledge, available. Cheers, Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/znnYw-kmCSMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: So Torn, Cannot Decide
Do you have frequent flyer miles? This is a lovely time of year to visit the San Francisco Bay Area! (not quite kidding!) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/nbnEQJLNw6AJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Samuel P Taylor Wet and wild Point Reyes Mini Trip. Ride Report and Photos
Excellent ride, excellent fog. I've never bike-camped, but this makes me want to trace your route and do it. Thanks for sharing it. Joe Bernard Fairfield, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/7jjna2G8kpYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Stem length question - WTB shorter replacement - how short???
After playing around a little more with height and rotation, I found a lightly used 9cm on Amazon of all places. I'll let you know how it goes. FWIW rotating the bars a little bit makes a huge difference in which position is more comfortable. Flat ramps = most comfortable on the ramps. Rotating the bars down just a little bits puts me in the drops most of the time. Jay On Oct 7, 4:48 pm, Steve yngp...@yahoo.com wrote: I have a 9 cm (measured end-to-end) stem made by Nitto, Not sure what model it is, but it's shorter than the technomic dynamic with only 140 mm length and 85 mm above the minimum in insertion line. Further, it's for 25.4 mm clamp diameter bars and has a hole drilled and tapped for the installation of a bell. Willing to sell for cheap if you're (or anyone else) is interested. On Oct 1, 11:29 am, Jay robin...@gmail.com wrote: I have a Sam Hillborne with a 10 cm stem Technomic and Noodle bars 5 cm above saddle height. This feels too short. I can reach all the various positions with my arms almost totally straight, but not locked. Also, I would like to try lowering the bars a few cms. Dusting off my high school trig - lowering the stem 3.25 cm puts the bars 1 cm farther away. change in stem height. With my current stem this is too far. So - 1. Do I want 8 cm or 9? 2. Does anyone have one they want to get rid off? 3. Does anyone want to buy the 10 cm, with 500 miles and a few scratches on it? Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Paul Gino Headlight Mount $12
Slightly used, but still in perfect condition. Price as new: $20+tax +shipping. Price includes shipping to the Western United States. From the Paul website: http://www.paulcomp.com/ginolightmount.html The Gino Light Mount can be used to mount lights to any M5 threaded eyelet, rackmount, or braze on. By mounting a light at mid-fork or dropout eyelets, it casts light on the ground at a much shallower angle, better revealing contours and bumps in the road. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: parts made in places where worker conditions are fairly reasonable
The White Ind cranks are machined from billet rather than cold forged. The cold forging process increases the mechanical strength of the crank arm and spider making a much more stiff and durable design. The manufacure of such an item is doable in the US, it's just that the cost of tooling and process development to optimize the fabrication sequence is a big cost hurdle to overcome. The other issue is market, as the big 3 have pushed the crank bottom bracket design away from square tapers. The square taper crankset is really a niche market. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/r_Q1qnLziKwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Samuel P Taylor Wet and wild Point Reyes Mini Trip. Ride Report and Photos
Looks like a truly epic trip! And roast pig compensates for a lot of suffering in my book. jim m wc ca On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 11:43 AM, EastBayGuy goodwin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Y'all, It was my Uncles 50th Birthday on Saturday so I took the opportunity to make a mini trip out of it and headed out on Saturday morning and caught the first Bart train to Embarcadero to start my Journey. The ride to Fairfax was beautiful and I arrived a bit early so I decided to ride out to Samuel P Taylor and doubled back to Fairfax for the Party. Woke up a bit hung over and headed back to Samuel P Taylor for some relaxation and to wait for a buddy to drive and meet me for the night. The weather was amazing and clear for the night, but Monday would be a different story. Started riding to the Point Reyes Ranger Station to check in for my campsite for the night and proceeded to Point Reyes Station for munchies at Bovine Bakery and to wait for the Rain to subside so I could push to camp. After eating to many Pastries and a few pieces of there amazing Pizza, I pressed on to Sky Camp. I decided to Hike up 3 1/2 miles up Horse Trail to Sky Camp and it was amazing even though I was getting rained on Hard all the way up. Half way up and being soaked head to toe, I was second guessing my decision to camp for the night. But I pressed on. Set up camp and decided to wait out the storm. I was in my tent from 8:00 Pm to 7:00 Am waiting out the storm, but the views in the morning of the fog rolling in was definitely worth the cold and wetness. It was absolutely beautiful. I was supposed to stay another night at Hawk Camp but that was put on hold since everything I had was soaked to the bone and I had to ride back in my flip flops, since my Sambas were filled with water in the morning. I will save that trip for when the weather is better. The medium saddle sack and my Barsack kept everything dry, with a little help from some Garbage Bags and Ponchos. A great trip, meet allot of fellow bikers along the way and will definitely do it again. Here are a few Pictures of the trip. http://www.flickr.com/photos/54527498@N06/sets/72157627832794810/ Cheers! Dustin G Walnut Creek Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/29hMt8W0ij8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: parts made in places where worker conditions are fairly reasonable
Another thing that occurred to me is that manufacture, which I think of as the fabrication and finishing of a product from raw materials, is most likely going to happen in a place where conditions are fairly reasonable, since manufacturing implies a certain level of industrialization, access to seaports, etc. It's the mining and smelting of metals in some war-torn African or South Asian country or the Chinese hinterland where I imagine the exploitation of human labor is a given. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/tOzwDpOGpNQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] BB shell facing
I have a never-been-faced Hilsen frame, and am trying to determine how important it is to have that job done before installing a Shimano cartridge bottom bracket. The tool would run me about $300 for something I won't use much, and I'm loathe to take it to a bike shop (I have a don't scratch my bike phobia about such establishments). Do I need to buy this tool? Thanks, Joe you can work on it if you promise not to touch it Bernard Fairfield, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/bUfphZFRuaUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] BB shell facing
Joe: Because the bearings in your cartridge bottom bracket are already installed and aligned with the shell of the cartridge, I would guess that facing the frame isn't needed. In the days of bearings with cups that sat on the frame, facing was more important, since any misalignment in the faces of the BB would result in a corresponding misalignment of the cups. --Eric N Sent from my iPad2 On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:18 AM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: I have a never-been-faced Hilsen frame, and am trying to determine how important it is to have that job done before installing a Shimano cartridge bottom bracket. The tool would run me about $300 for something I won't use much, and I'm loathe to take it to a bike shop (I have a don't scratch my bike phobia about such establishments). Do I need to buy this tool? Thanks, Joe you can work on it if you promise not to touch it Bernard Fairfield, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/bUfphZFRuaUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] BB shell facing
I agree with Eric. It's not necessary. You don't even have to scrub the paint off the drive side, but if you want to put out the effort go ahead and do that at least. The left hand side is actually better protected leaving the paint covering that metal, since a typical cartridge left side cup won't cover that exposed metal. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/__GFQM16WqAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] BB shell facing
I just watched Mark's chasing shell, installing BB YouTube video again, and it states a couple times that they chase all their frames before selling, so it appears it's already been done, anyway. Yay! Thanks, gang. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cXpwCMu9WjUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Supreme 35's on a Rambouillet or LongLow
Has anyone run Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700x35's on a Ramboulliet or a LongLow (without fenders)? I have JB's (33's) on my LongLow now. Not a lot of extra clearance at the chain stays, but enough. RBW site says the Supreme 35's measure 33 on a 21 mm rim. I'd like to try those on my LongLow, which I think has very similar geometry to a Rambouillet. The other tire I've been thinking of running on the LongLow (my pavement bike) are Schwalbe Marathon Racers 700x30, but I bet they measure actual 27 or 28. That would be okay. Any tips from the group (based in relevant experience or knowledge) would be most welcome. Thanks! -- Forrest (Iowa City) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/8Gi5nqZTtfEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Samuel P Taylor Wet and wild Point Reyes Mini Trip. Ride Report and Photos
Thanks Jim and Joe. It was a blast. Unfortunately Jim, the Pig was at the beginning of my Journey, not after the suffering (kinda sorta suffering) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/RBWsjJV1SEwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] 2x7 AHH, no front derailer
Ok, I've got this gorgeous silvery green Hilsen frame Rocky sold me, and I'm conjuring up build options. I'm thinking of doing a semi-Quickbeam-ish thing: I have an IRD 13-32 7-speed freewheel on a Phil hub..thinking of adding my very-most-super-cool American CNCed Precision Billet rear derailer, and a Shimano XT 8-speed-era crank with the granny removed for a 42-32 double. No front derailer, shifting Quickbeam style. Will I have any trouble with the chain leaping off the cranks during rear shifts? Joe Bernard Fairfield, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/eRYrNr4OSfsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] New-to-me production framebuilder in Portland
Well, not me personally, but it's new to the new owners. I suppose whether this is on or off topic is a matter of opinion. (IMO, off since I'm pretty sure they don't braze, and I doubly doubt after getting Waterford up to speed by way of Toyo, Grant would ever switch suppliers.) But, given all the country of origin discussion on the list, I thought some would find it interesting. http://bikeportland.org/2011/10/07/new-portland-bike-frame-manufacturer-has-ellsworth-roots-60236#more-60236 Regards, -Allan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ynbocE9DerEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 2x7 AHH, no front derailer
Probably not, but ultimately I think depends on your chain line. I had a 9 speed cassette with a Sugino 3 ring in front. I moved the outer ring the center position, put a chain guard on the outer position, and left off the front derailer. Riding in the middle and large end of the cassette gears was never a problem. Shifting itself was never a problem. However, if I was in the smallest 1 or 2 cogs the chain would have a tendency to pop-off the front ring and trap between the chain ring and the chain guard. It wasn't shifting that caused the problem, it was bumps/jarring that made slack that allowed the pull of the extreme chain line to derail the chain. Good luck, -Allan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/bdKpvHnioagJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] BB shell facing
Actually, I think that they chase the frames they build up, not the frames they sell standalone. I've always bought frames from them and it's only when I ask them to install the BB that they chase it. I may be wrong, but that's what I've observed with my frames. René On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: I just watched Mark's chasing shell, installing BB YouTube video again, and it states a couple times that they chase all their frames before selling, so it appears it's already been done, anyway. Yay! Thanks, gang. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cXpwCMu9WjUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] BB shell facing
I think that it's hard to say anything is definitively always true there. :-) (I mean that in a good way, always tinkering with and trying to improve their bikes and processes) My bare AHH frame came with the BB shell chased and faced. When I'd asked beforehand if they'd do it, the response was that they always do. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 1:15 PM, René Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think that they chase the frames they build up, not the frames they sell standalone. I've always bought frames from them and it's only when I ask them to install the BB that they chase it. I may be wrong, but that's what I've observed with my frames. René On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: I just watched Mark's chasing shell, installing BB YouTube video again, and it states a couple times that they chase all their frames before selling, so it appears it's already been done, anyway. Yay! Thanks, gang. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cXpwCMu9WjUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Atlantis-inspired custom touring bike for sale
I'm selling my touring bike to fund some adventures, and, while it isn't a Riv, there's probably enough of a Riv connection that it will be of interest here. In 2004 I bought an Atlantis, which was my main/only bike for several years. At some point, I decided that I wanted to try a custom bike that was like the Atlantis in terms of fit and personality. I knew Curt Goodrich from his Rivendell connection and because he is local, so after researching a bit, asked Curt to build me my ultimate touring bike. I wanted a fit similar to that of my 58 cm Atlantis, but with clearance for a 26x2.35 tire with fenders and I preferred the stiffness and versatility of a 1-1/8 threadless steerer. Otherwise, I gave Curt a lot of creative liberty, even about the color. Most of the frame is fillet brazed, but the fork crown is one of the bi-plane Pacenti crowns and the seatpost junction has a pretty lug. Sort of an unorthodox mix of joinery, but it looks elegant. This was the result (before I got it dirty): http://www.flickr.com/photos/twowheelflight/3277222915/ As you can see, tire clearance is HUGE. Here are the frame geometry specs. ST=58 (center to top) TT=58 (center to center) TT slope=2 degrees Seat angle=72 Head angle=72 Fork rake=50mm BB drop=62 CS=44.5cm Here are some current pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/twowheelflight/tags/goodrichforsale/ Parts: Seatpost: Nitto frog Bar: Nitto Noodle 46 cm Stem: Nitto UI-5GX 90 mm Headset: Chris King Steelset BB: Shimano UN-54 Crank: Sugino XD-something Cassette: 9sp 11-34 or similar Chain: SRAM PC-971 or similar rder: XTR 950 series Rapid rise fder: Suntour XC Pro shifters: Dura-Ace 9sp bar-ends brakes: Tektro v-brakes with Tektro levers Wheels: Phil Wood 48h tandem rear hub (bolt on style) with 140 mm spacing to reduce dish, laced to polished Sun RhynoLite with Wheelsmith butted spokes Schmidt 40h SON28 dynamo front hub, laced to polished Sun RhynoLite with Wheelsmith butted spokes. IQ Fly headlight is included. Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 26x2.0. There is also a slick little brazed-on rear cable hanger for cantilever brakes, and a brazed-on taillight mount on the seatpost, with taillight included. The fenders are Berthoud stainless 26x60, painted candy-apple red to match the frameset. This is a wonderful bicycle, but the paint has always been soft and, after several years of use, it looks a little rough. I put a small chip in the paint as I was carrying it out of Curt's shop, and have had many more paint chipping accidents while riding, transporting, or parking it. Most of the chips are in the outer coat, with the underlying primer coat still intact. The most egregious paint damage was to the drive side chainstay, which occurred when transporting the bike on a friend's car rack, and some part of his bike gouged the paint in this area. As far as I know, there is no significant rust on any of the gouges, and no dents. No saddle (unless you want the cheapie WTB saddle in the picture). I can include the racks shown for $100 each. I also have a lightweight wheelset that can be included if desired. I'm asking $2900 shipping in CONUS. Please contact off-list if interested, or on-list if you simply want to discuss the bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/treoulfds6IJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] New-to-me production framebuilder in Portland
On Oct 7, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Allan in Portland wrote: after getting Waterford up to speed by way of Toyo Huh? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] New-to-me production framebuilder in Portland
I read that as after Grant got hooked up with Waterford again in a major way after Toyo couldn't meet all his frame needs. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/XypBV-e8wFoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis-inspired custom touring bike for sale
Wow. Those white tires really set off the candy apple paint. You need sunglasses to look at it! Joe Bernard Fairfield, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/4nYeCbl5mP4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis-inspired custom touring bike for sale
I actually felt a little self-conscious with that set-up at first. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/81vi1iFG6LEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Atlantis-inspired custom touring bike for sale
wow... talk about pimp my ride! It seems pretty common to copy the proven Atlantis geometry and add a few tweaks to make it exactly what you want. I've been considering that for a while. One thing I've found is that it's tough to find a 25.4 fork crown with the same clearance as the Atlantis. You can sleeve the Pacenti to make it work, but that's about it. I'm not a red bike person but it certainly is a looker. The seat tube lug looks like a Pacenti Artisan to me. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/orkJTuVWRmIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] New-to-me production framebuilder in Portland
OK, I know one should _always_ consult the internet before insinuating a statement of fact... and yet I cannot help but persist in shooting from the hip. from http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hunqapillar.htm The Hunqapillar frame is an interesting mix of materials and co-conspirators. Some are made in Taiwan by a team of builders trained by Tetsu Ishigaki, of Toyo. Sheepish regards, -Allan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/fdlhaUPIvHcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 2x7 AHH, no front derailer
My initial reaction was I'd be a little wary, but as I think about it, I'm not sure why. There's no intrinsic reason I can come up with. The FD might help to keep the chain on, and I do know folks who still have one in place with a single ring setup to use as a chain keeper. There are probably two immediate things which I'd watch for: (1) the angle of the chain when on the inner ring might cause it to catch any lifters on the big ring (those ramps and pins used to assist shifting) if you end up in the smaller sprockets in the back, and (2) the ability of the rear derailleur to pick up chain slack when in the smaller front chainring. You might run the gearing through Sheldon's calculator, to see if you are really gaining very much range. http://sheldonbrown.com/gears/ I think if you are just going to use it mostly in the larger ring, and just use the small ring as a climbing/bailout gear (only using the larger three rear sprockets, for example), it ought to work. hope that helps, - Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/zSHHzp8hIo8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: parts made in places where worker conditions are fairly reasonable
On Oct 6, 3:15 pm, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: This type of outsourcing to the cheapest bidder not only has implications for labor standards, but also quality. It is not uncommon to substitute a cheaper alloy. As a result, you find chainrings that are labeled as 7075 aluminum, but wear so quickly that there is little doubt that they are 6000-series. That way, the company could underbid all the other companies who had to factor in the higher cost of the raw material... and they got the bid. Could have also skipped or screwed up the temper. Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Supreme 35's on a Rambouillet or LongLow
I run Schwalbe Delta Cruiser 700x35 on my Rambouillet with fenders. Not sure of actual measurements, but I can check when I get home. I am using 19mm rims. David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/1CntIGMTp3QJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Baggins and Carradice Bags for Sale
Hiya, Rivendell Real Bike Devotees; I find that I am above my critical sack mass and must scale back through the sale of some quality bike bags. 1) Early model Baggins panniers; I believe these were made in the late 1990's. They are tan canvas and leather of fairly large capacity (approx. 20 ltrs/ side?) designed to drape over a largish front or rear rack and attach to the sides of the rack by cotton web straps that wrap around both the rack and the front of the bags (these straps have fastex plastic buckles).. Very secure, simple, and old-school. There are zippered pouch pockets on the cover flaps for both sides, as well as numerous D rings for lash points. A previous owner sewed various bike culture (er...sub-culture, sorry, Bike Snob NYC) related patches to the canvas, they remain as beausage. Good used condition, asking $150 including shipping to CONUS. 2) Baggins Hobo Sack handlebar bag. Tan cotton canvas (I think these are Filson Tin Cloth) and Leather. Large zippered main compartment, 2 flapped and buckled pockets facing rider on either side of stem/head tube, small un-flapped pocket facing front. I think Riv still sells a Smythe version of this bag? Acorn also makes something similar. Good used condition, asking $90 including shipping to CONUS. 3) Carradice Camper Long Flap great big expandable capacity saddlebag. Black waxed cotton canvas with white leather straps. Older version with cloth Carradice logo rather than the new metal name tag. 2 flapped and buckled side pockets. Huge main compartment. Good used condition, asking $125 including shipping to CONUS. I will send photos to interested parties. I prefer payment through Paypal for the security provided. Please contact me at mschw...@nmsu.edu. Thanks, Marc -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer
I have been lurking a while as I wait for my AHH frame to arrive (RIV content) - I have lots of questions about the build but thought I'd comment on the Flyer question. I originally got the VO Model 5 saddle for my Trek 880 (a resurrected hybrid) and used it successfully for some loaded touring and longer day rides. I did find that the string that holds the sides together would stretch and in some cases break allowing the saddle to sag somewhat. Dealing with this issue, I still felt that the springs gave a comfortable ride. I now have a Flyer on my Rocky Mountain Sherpa touring bike and have found it to be even more comfortable - I have used it on numerous day rides, a couple loaded overnights, a couple 200km brevets and 1/2 of this year's Cycle Oregon (the 1/2 is another story) - all told probably about 2500-3000 miles. I really don't notice the springs unless I am riding on root strewn trails or when an unexpected pothole pops up. Then it is great because of the shock absorbing nature of the springs. The only other time I might notice the springs is when I am in the wrong gear and spinning madly like a hamster and bouncing up down on the saddle. Cannot blame the saddle for that though. I love the firm leather and did not really experience any breakin-period though I did give it the proofride treatment top and bottom initially. However, I am looking to experiment with a B17 on the AHH when it arrives. FWIW Dennis (hoping for good news from RIV soon) Hogan On Oct 7, 6:59 am, Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: The springs on the Flyer on my Atlantis squeak, too, but I find it soothing somehow. They're definitely responding to bumps etc (i'm 190 or so). And despite the fact that my Flyer is carved for decoration (I know, I know -- I can be a bit of a dandy), the leather has held up extremely well. Never wet, though. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Shine Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 9:17 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer At 180 pounds, the springs on my Flyer barely and rarely compress enough to feel or even sense. I am still riding the old way, by shifting weight onto the pedals if I see a pot hole, tracks, sharp curb, etc. For me and my riding style, the springs are virtually useless. The leather on my Flyer is not at all saggy. Quite the opposite. It is the hardest Brooks I have ever owned (and, frankly, the most attractive in terms of brown tints and tones). The saddle is heavy, also. All that said, I still have it mounted on my Quickbeam for some reason. From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, October 6, 2011 9:09:56 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer I found the leather on two different Flyer saddles to stretch and lose tension really quickly. And the springs were always annoyingly squeaky. Don't know about the rail lenghts. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.commailto:joerem...@gmail.com wrote: This is a fuzzy memory from 5 years ago, but I would estimate the difference is about a centimeter. Grant is right about the springs: At 160lbs. back then (oh, glory days), the only difference between the two saddles was looks and weight. Those springs didn't even buzz for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/n7BzbwE2Hd0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- To ensure compliance with
Re: [RBW] BB shell facing
on 10/7/11 10:34 AM, Joe Bernard at joerem...@gmail.com wrote: I just watched Mark's chasing shell, installing BB YouTube video again, and it states a couple times that they chase all their frames before selling, so it appears it's already been done, anyway. Yay! Thanks, gang. Just as a minor point, chasing is essentially cleaning out the threads, while facing is making sure that the two faces of the bb (or both ends of any tube, such as a headtube) are parallel to one another. But, unless you are using a loose bearing bb with cups that require such alignment, it's not terribly necessarly. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com Nigel did some work for some of the other riders at Allied, onces who still rode metal. He hadn't liked it when Chevette had gone for a paper frame. -- William Gibson, Virtual Light -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] BB shell facing
Ah, thanks for the clarification. I had a feeling the two terms weren't fungible. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/sF1DDEIfylQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 2x7 AHH, no front derailer
Many years ago, I tried this on a mountain bike. It didn't work well precisely because of what Allan in Portland mentioned, that is the normal/routine bumps and jarring can derail the chain, sometimes at the most inopportune time. Because my mountain bike at that time had a 11-28, the chain had to be long to wrap around that range and the rear derailleur cage wasn't nearly strong enough to provide adequate chain tension. That's probably why CX bikes have a chain keeper. If you run a chain guard, it may help things (didn't try) and certainly the flexy chain and shift ramps on modern chainrings do not help. Why the aversion to a front derailleur? On Oct 7, 12:22 pm, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, I've got this gorgeous silvery green Hilsen frame Rocky sold me, and I'm conjuring up build options. I'm thinking of doing a semi-Quickbeam-ish thing: I have an IRD 13-32 7-speed freewheel on a Phil hub..thinking of adding my very-most-super-cool American CNCed Precision Billet rear derailer, and a Shimano XT 8-speed-era crank with the granny removed for a 42-32 double. No front derailer, shifting Quickbeam style. Will I have any trouble with the chain leaping off the cranks during rear shifts? Joe Bernard Fairfield, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
