[RBW] Re: New Rivideo. DD paint
It makes you appreciate how much work goes into a frame. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/6fgAePeQbPwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: I like the look of these
On Nov 21, 11:47 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Tell me about nitrile: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157626131698281/ ah, the nitrile glove. as a Vermonter and cyclocross racer, these are *the* ticket to warm fingers in very thin gloves when it's very cold outside. Except that when I race, the nitrile goes underneath a very thin/kind of windproof glove - hands get a little clammy after an hour, but they're warm and I keep maximum control with a near bare- hand feel on the bars. i can see those hand splats being useful in heavy rains - seems like great rando gear. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: I like the look of these
This is the first product I've seen that has potential for our rainy Pac NW Climate. Though temps here can drop as low as in Vermont during the winter, they don't stay there. Most gloves meant for winter use are too clammy for Portland use. OR makes an overmitt that can be used alone or with a heavier glove underneath, but the long wrist coverage makes it hard to use with a rain jacket for just everyday riding. This is the closest I've seen to something that might work. I think the thumb coverage still needs a little work; my thumbs get cold when left un/underprotected. But that's a minor quibble. Wish I'd seen these before I placed my Riv order last week. Beth in PDX, where it's gusting hard, 55F and raining sideways outside -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: I like the look of these
William , It's all good. I'm just having a humbling ornery human reactionary moment to them. My opinion reflects on no one but myself, and that's the end of that . Speaking of not knowing . I know what I know and that's but a fraction of all there is *to know*. I , like all of us, am just making our my through life and trying to enjoy the moments. Whatever makes our lives a little better for us . hail hail in celebration ! Nitrile really is super . My hands can be soaking wet even from perspiration but because of the vapor barrier effect they're still toasty. After I ride I turn them inside out and rinse them, hang to dry and reuse them 'till they fall apart or tear. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/uuywA--9-ngJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version
My winter plans are to leave the cold North for Southern California, so I can* ride and live in some sunshine !* It's what I want more than anything right now. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/k5vmXvCDtSgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: I like the look of these
So people really ride their bikes if the temp drops below 65F??? Amazing! :-) On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Beth H periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: This is the first product I've seen that has potential for our rainy Pac NW Climate. Though temps here can drop as low as in Vermont during the winter, they don't stay there. Most gloves meant for winter use are too clammy for Portland use. OR makes an overmitt that can be used alone or with a heavier glove underneath, but the long wrist coverage makes it hard to use with a rain jacket for just everyday riding. This is the closest I've seen to something that might work. I think the thumb coverage still needs a little work; my thumbs get cold when left un/underprotected. But that's a minor quibble. Wish I'd seen these before I placed my Riv order last week. Beth in PDX, where it's gusting hard, 55F and raining sideways outside -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version
We need to organize a SoCal ride! On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: My winter plans are to leave the cold North for Southern California, so I can* ride and live in some sunshine !* It's what I want more than anything right now. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/k5vmXvCDtSgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: I like the look of these
Only if it's sunny… From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, November 22, 2011 7:53:39 AM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: I like the look of these So people really ride their bikes if the temp drops below 65F??? Amazing! :-) On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Beth H periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: This is the first product I've seen that has potential for our rainy Pac NW Climate. Though temps here can drop as low as in Vermont during the winter, they don't stay there. Most gloves meant for winter use are too clammy for Portland use. OR makes an overmitt that can be used alone or with a heavier glove underneath, but the long wrist coverage makes it hard to use with a rain jacket for just everyday riding. This is the closest I've seen to something that might work. I think the thumb coverage still needs a little work; my thumbs get cold when left un/underprotected. But that's a minor quibble. Wish I'd seen these before I placed my Riv order last week. Beth in PDX, where it's gusting hard, 55F and raining sideways outside -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: I like the look of these
On Nov 22, 10:53 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: So people really ride their bikes if the temp drops below 65F??? Amazing! 25degrees commuting home last night! we've been spoiled a bit lately, and I suffered. what's really amazing is how we all adapt .. . .25 will feel warm (or at least bearable) soon enough! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version
Actual Sheldon Brown hit right when he said the riding around here is good 9-months out of the year, the other three are too damn hot! This is true for SoCal. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 On Nov 22, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Garth wrote: My winter plans are to leave the cold North for Southern California, so I can ride and live in some sunshine ! It's what I want more than anything right now. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/k5vmXvCDtSgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: I like the look of these
As a wimpy Californian I have great respect for those folks who ride in temps lower than 40 F. I really like riding my bike but I'm not sure I like it that much. -JimD On Nov 22, 2011, at 7:53 AM, cyclotourist wrote: So people really ride their bikes if the temp drops below 65F??? Amazing! :-) On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Beth H periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: This is the first product I've seen that has potential for our rainy Pac NW Climate. Though temps here can drop as low as in Vermont during the winter, they don't stay there. Most gloves meant for winter use are too clammy for Portland use. OR makes an overmitt that can be used alone or with a heavier glove underneath, but the long wrist coverage makes it hard to use with a rain jacket for just everyday riding. This is the closest I've seen to something that might work. I think the thumb coverage still needs a little work; my thumbs get cold when left un/underprotected. But that's a minor quibble. Wish I'd seen these before I placed my Riv order last week. Beth in PDX, where it's gusting hard, 55F and raining sideways outside -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: I like the look of these
I'm a full on coddled SoCalian. I bought my first cycling jacket last year! I'm such a wuss! On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:25 AM, jimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote: As a wimpy Californian I have great respect for those folks who ride in temps lower than 40 F. I really like riding my bike but I'm not sure I like it that much. -JimD On Nov 22, 2011, at 7:53 AM, cyclotourist wrote: So people really ride their bikes if the temp drops below 65F??? Amazing! :-) On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Beth H periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote: This is the first product I've seen that has potential for our rainy Pac NW Climate. Though temps here can drop as low as in Vermont during the winter, they don't stay there. Most gloves meant for winter use are too clammy for Portland use. OR makes an overmitt that can be used alone or with a heavier glove underneath, but the long wrist coverage makes it hard to use with a rain jacket for just everyday riding. This is the closest I've seen to something that might work. I think the thumb coverage still needs a little work; my thumbs get cold when left un/underprotected. But that's a minor quibble. Wish I'd seen these before I placed my Riv order last week. Beth in PDX, where it's gusting hard, 55F and raining sideways outside -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: I like the look of these
On Nov 22, 11:25 am, jimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote: As a wimpy Californian I have great respect for those folks who ride in temps lower than 40 F. meh. it's like anything else. if you have the right kit, it ain't so bad. and believe me, when the alternative is to not ride, you find a solution and make it work - most folks on this list would go nuts if they were kept off the bike for a week, let alone an entire winter! that said, 5 months of temps around freezing gets old (at least for cycling), and I'm taking a mid-winter thaw this year in California this year. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling
I rode a bike with 57 mm trail and a handlebar bag for years, and tens of thousands of happy miles. Never thought that there was anything wrong with it. Then I rode a few low-trail bikes (also with handlebar bags), and I found that they were significantly better even with a lightly loaded bag. There was no adjustment needed when I rode the low-trail bikes, even though they were unfamiliar to me. When I switched back to the 57 mm-trail bike, I tended to run wide on that bike, and hit things I thought I had barely missed, even though this was the bike to which I should have been most attuned, since I rode it all the time. So the conclusions for me are: • Mid-trail and bar bag is fine. You can ride it, and be happy. • Low-trail and bar bag is better. Almost anybody who has done a direct comparison appears to agree. Beyond that, it makes sense that if you change a significant handling parameter, such as the load attached to the steering or the tire width, that you would have to change the other parameters to suit if you want to keep the handling the same. Finally, I have ridden many unloaded bikes with high trail figures that handled wonderfully. The Calfee test bike in the latest Bicycle Quarterly is a case in point. It appears that wheel flop and trail counter each other, so that racing bikes with 50, 55 and 60 mm trail handle similarly. Adding a handlebar bag changes the picture, though. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly http://www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling
I just did my first tour this past summer on a 56 Atlantis. The Atlantis was terrific except for climbing at very low speeds. I was carrying a lot of weight, about 65 lbs., and some of it was on the front. I had a riv high rider nitto rack with two loaded panniers and my wife's sleeping pad riding up there. At low speed, almost no speed, the front tire (and all of the front weight) kept wanting to flop over. The worst part of the trip, by far, was fighting with this weight and trying to keep the bike on the road under these conditions. To the point where I don't think I would take this bike again if I had to carry so much weight. Any suggestions, apart from carrying less weight or balancing it better or loading it lower? Other bikes? Other handlebar set-ups (I had noodle drop bars, just above the saddle)? Other tires (I had 1.75 Marathon Plus)? Thanks, Michael Allen On Nov 18, 6:50 pm, Shifty 1upand1d...@gmail.com wrote: So, I was just about to plunk down a couple of hundred dollars on a Berthoud front bag at Rene Herse. Mike kindly returned my phone call and immediately asked about the bike I was going to put it on. A Rivendell, I replied (A. Homer Hilsen). He said, do you know that the bag's weight will affect the handling somewhat; some people can't live with it while others aren't bothered by it at all. He said it was because of the trail high or low (I don't recall which) of all Rivendell bikes and that Herse bikes have a (high, low?) trail that accounts for weight carrying in the front. So what do YOU think Rivendell front bag owner? Have you ever regretted the effect the bag has on your Rivendell's handling? Thanks, Shifty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Atlantis Sighting in Pittsburgh
its weird to think someone on a Riv. wouldnt be on this or the BOB list mike it wasnt me goldman warwick,r.i. 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27 Mom Reveals $3 Wrinkle Trick Angering Doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4ecace42bae63808c4st04duc -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] dropping roadies feels so good.
on 11/21/11 10:06 AM, William at tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Jim What I heard is that you've repurposed that figure of speech entirely. Person A: Where you headed on that bike in this weather, Jim? Jim: I'm headed to the pub. Gonna get sluiced tonight! Person A: Mind if I join you? Jim: The more the merrier! Sluiced? Is that what the kids are calling it these days? Hmmm ;^) - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com The bike between her legs was like some hyper-evolved alien tail she'd somehow extruded, as though over patient centuries; a sweet and intricate bone-machine, grown Lexan-armored tires, near-frictionless bearings, and gas filled shocks. William Gibson - Virtual Light -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Stolen Hillborne: Chicago
Thanks Matt. I thought I took a pic of the bb when I got the frame, but I can't find it now (Murphy's Law). Thanks for the advice. I checked CL and eBay, but nothing suspicious. If there's any silver lining the response from my friends at work has made me realize I know some great people and that it was only a bike. I'll have another someday. In the meantime I'll be riding my Linus around. Drop me a pic of your bike(s) if you get a chance. Thanks again, Tim On Nov 21, 11:34 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: Aw man, so sorry to hear about that! I hope you get your bike back. Do you by any chance have the serial # written down anywhere? It might be helpful in recovering it, especially if it shows up for sale somewhere. -Matt PS Also you might want to be all over craigslist for a whilehttp://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/11/colorado-woman-spots-st... . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: I like the look of these
I have a neoprene pair from Gator Sports that I've used for... geez, 20 years! They extend the season (and dryness) of any favorite pair of gloves until serious winter goods are inescapable. Andy Pittsburgh, PA On Nov 21, 6:16 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/ag4.htm These look pretty slick. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Hilsen Populaire
Nitto does make them: http://www.compasscycle.com/Handlebars.html. I have them on my VO Poly-v. The Nitto version is flatter on front (no forward extension). I use this as a city bike with the Dia Compe Guidonnet levers. The levers are cool because you can brake from anywhere on the bar. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] dropping roadies feels so good.
The number of forums in which I could be considered fraternizing with the kids is dwindling :) Born in 1969 (69 dude!) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/5Ezl3Hz7czQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: dropping roadies feels so good.
The number of forums in which I could be considered fraternizing with the kids is dwindling :) Born in 1969 (69 dude!) Ha. I was spawned in the Summer of Love, but am slower than Christmas. I can add a variation on the theme, though. Was out with some contemporaries, on a meander through some hills south of town, and we pulled over for a second. One of us was on a wife's Betty Foy, which drew a snarky nice bike comment from a young lycra-clad carbon afficianado riding past. It was just before a nice set of rollers that challenge my legs, but my buddy -- who is fitter than your average fellow, even in his advanced years -- took Betty on a quicker pace, caught, greeted, and dropped the critics, who struggled to hold the line before bonking. I'm not generally amused by random displays of machismo, but this one gave us all a chuckle. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version
In Sheldon We Trust! On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:22 AM, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote: Actual Sheldon Brown hit right when he said the riding around here is good 9-months out of the year, the other three are too damn hot! This is true for SoCal. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 On Nov 22, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Garth wrote: My winter plans are to leave the cold North for Southern California, so I can* ride and live in some sunshine !* It's what I want more than anything right now. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/k5vmXvCDtSgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling
You should really spend some time and go through the group archives here and on iBob. There are strong opinions on trail and front bags and front end geometry. The whole topic of front end loading and fork trail can cause very strong opinions among some folks. The best thing to do might be play with a cheap bag to see if you absolutely hate it before plunking down any major expense. This bit was the take away lesson, I'd say. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling
On Tue, 2011-11-22 at 11:17 -0800, Rick wrote: You should really spend some time and go through the group archives here and on iBob. There are strong opinions on trail and front bags and front end geometry. The whole topic of front end loading and fork trail can cause very strong opinions among some folks. The best thing to do might be play with a cheap bag to see if you absolutely hate it before plunking down any major expense. This bit was the take away lesson, I'd say. Assuming the cheap bag is supported well, you could get some useful results. I had great success with a much-modified $25 Nashbar Elite bag I used for a couple of years on my Kogswell P/R. But if the bag isn't mounted and supported on a rack the same way as the better bag would be, the results might not be comparable, in that a bag that's loose and free to swing to and fro would have an undesirable effect on the steering that a better-installed bag would not have. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Noticed anything different about front bag handling
My test used an old Rhode Gear bag, a cheap Sunlite-style rack, and a $25 V-O headset decaleur. Add in nuts, bolts, clamps, scissors, and an ancient toestrap for the bottom. The bag held still and was quiet, and served well through a sagged tour. A good, cheap test. The bag weight rested on the rack and was secured with the toestrap. The decaleur mounted to the bag such that the bag was pulled up and held its original shape. Its integral frame held up the front, for a flat map- reading table on top. No waterproofing, however. On Tuesday, November 22, 2011, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-11-22 at 11:17 -0800, Rick wrote: You should really spend some time and go through the group archives here and on iBob. There are strong opinions on trail and front bags and front end geometry. The whole topic of front end loading and fork trail can cause very strong opinions among some folks. The best thing to do might be play with a cheap bag to see if you absolutely hate it before plunking down any major expense. This bit was the take away lesson, I'd say. Assuming the cheap bag is supported well, you could get some useful results. I had great success with a much-modified $25 Nashbar Elite bag I used for a couple of years on my Kogswell P/R. But if the bag isn't mounted and supported on a rack the same way as the better bag would be, the results might not be comparable, in that a bag that's loose and free to swing to and fro would have an undesirable effect on the steering that a better-installed bag would not have. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version
Just knocked out Winter Project #0 last night, spliced together a broken Honjo and racked/fendered my daughter's Lyon Trailer Cycle: http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/ I want to specifically thank listmembers Patrick Moore and Matt Tonay for their generosity and help with accomplishing this project! My wishes and pleas for a 559 fender singleton and a too-short rear rack came true! Thank you, guys! =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Hilsen Populaire
Ahh - excellent! I'm surprised I didn't see that yet. Thanks! On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 5:08 AM, ELM eric.l.m...@gmail.com wrote: Nitto does make them: http://www.compasscycle.com/Handlebars.html. I have them on my VO Poly-v. The Nitto version is flatter on front (no forward extension). I use this as a city bike with the Dia Compe Guidonnet levers. The levers are cool because you can brake from anywhere on the bar. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling
I imagine I could go through the various forums to look for the answer, but I'll ask anyway. Jan and others have said: 1. a high trail bike can ride very well without a front load 2. adding a front load to ANY bike changes the handling 3. adding a front load to a high trail bike changes the handling negatively 4. a low trail bike rides very well with a front load (better than a high trail bike) My question is: Does adding a front load to a low trail bike improve that bike's handling? Or does it just change it *less negatively* than it does a high trail bike? The follow up question to each of the two possible answers are obvious: If adding a front load IMPROVES a low trail bike and DEGRADES a high trail bike, then is there a middleground that is unaffected? When does it flip from hurting to helping? If adding a front load just degrades a low trail bike less, then is there a super-low-trail design that is even less sensitive? In other words, have you Jan ever ridden a legitimate bike for spirited riding that had too little trail? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ELBJ_otLE_wJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling
On Tue, 2011-11-22 at 12:46 -0800, William wrote: I imagine I could go through the various forums to look for the answer, but I'll ask anyway. Jan and others have said: 1. a high trail bike can ride very well without a front load 2. adding a front load to ANY bike changes the handling 3. adding a front load to a high trail bike changes the handling negatively 4. a low trail bike rides very well with a front load (better than a high trail bike) My question is: Does adding a front load to a low trail bike improve that bike's handling? Or does it just change it less negatively than it does a high trail bike? I had the LBS build up my Kogswell P/R, 30mm trail fork, and took the bike outside to ride around the parking lot. No load on the bike but me. Holy @#$%! What the #$$^ is wrong with this bike??? was my immediate reaction. The front end felt really, seriously, weird: far too light, not like anything I'd ever experienced. I later came to find the bike felt right only with a handlebar bag and /something/ in it - tools, wallet, altogether probably ~2 lb minimum. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling
Rode w/ 11lbs of bird seed in the front basket of my Atlantis last Sunday, through the snow for that matter. No problem. I believe the convenience and practicality of having a basket/bag up front (especially during a brevet) far out weighs any nominal changes in handling. My advice is just to make sure your load is low; on a front rack. I rode w/ a heavily loaded boxy bag suspended off my my Noodles w/ one of those Nitto bag holders, and that wasn't good. I don't do that anymore now that I have a proper front rack installed. Go for it. Berthoud bags are nice. Kevin RBA - Alaska On Nov 21, 3:30 pm, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: It's not only harsh, it's a grotesque distortion and exaggeration of what has been said. Go ahead and slay the straw man if you like, but don't forget it's a straw man and has little to no relationship to what's actually been said. Steve ... actually the sentence below actually stated it was this and other reading and time wasted... so not really about you or what had been said so far on this thread. More additional to the thread and NOT an exaggeration at all much less a grotesque one. And not all of the harsh is from this thread and more from all the reading and time wasted reading about trail has made me harsh. 2 lb worth of handlebar bag you probably wouldn't notice. Make it 5-6 lb, though and I'm confident you will; and 10 lb with the wrong geometry it'll have you swearing. Obviously our experiences have differed as the pictures I posted would also indicate. It may be wrong geometry for you. But obviously it's not a bad geometry for many. 10lbs on the front of my AHH is nothing ... 30lbs / 40lbs on front of my Bombadil handles fine. For me.. maybe not for you.. if not then don't buy it. Point being the low trail rhetoric / You apparently tend to jump up and yell wrong geometry every time someone talks about a front load. It' s just not that simple. Most people understand that. It's how I feel and I like my bikes.. you like or want low trail great.. I'm happy for you... the only grotesque exaggeration present was your reaction to my post .. and playing thread guard telling others what was said and what makes sense and doesn't. Regards, Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: I like the look of these
I used to work as a tech in the biotech industry where 12 to 16-hour shifts in 2-8°C (36-46°F) processing rooms are (were?) the norm. We required dexterity to operate keyboards/keypads (try that with PI Lobster gloves) and small control valves/switches and the nitrile-over- woolen-liner thing was de-rigor. The only issue I experienced with this setup was the nitrile gloves tend to tear and so wouldn't last anywhere as long as a real cycling glove. I remember going through half a dozen pairs in a shift when it was busy. But they're light and compact, so I can see packing a few pairs for a ride. Actually, I already have a pair in the tubes-n- tools kit but that's more to prevent greasy rather than cold hands. On Nov 21, 8:47 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Tell me about nitrile: ... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version
Finish my Gazelle Sport Luxe renaissance project Rebuild my Niner MCR mountain bike Get my hands on an old cruiser frame (or a Trek Sawyer) and add a set of killer wheels Build 2-speed kickback wheel for Nishiki Prestige Sell a few bikes RIDE On Nov 22, 3:05 pm, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote: Just knocked out Winter Project #0 last night, spliced together a broken Honjo and racked/fendered my daughter's Lyon Trailer Cycle: http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/ I want to specifically thank listmembers Patrick Moore and Matt Tonay for their generosity and help with accomplishing this project! My wishes and pleas for a 559 fender singleton and a too-short rear rack came true! Thank you, guys! =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Noticed anything different about front bag handling
Same experience here. This was with my Brompton that (I believe) has an approximately 24mm trail. Without any load (front or back), on the first ride, it was squirrelly to the point where I had to conscientiously ride it. However, after a week, it was no big deal. Certainly, it handled differently than my other normal trail (~60mm) bikes but it wasn't anything I couldn't get used to. Then I got a front bag and on my first ride with a laptop and some stuff up front, the Brompton was noticeably more stable. So chalk me up as one who believes adding a front load to a low trail bike can improve that bike's handling. On Nov 22, 1:10 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: I had the LBS build up my Kogswell P/R, 30mm trail fork, and took the bike outside to ride around the parking lot. No load on the bike but me. Holy @#$%! What the #$$^ is wrong with this bike??? was my immediate reaction. The front end felt really, seriously, weird: far too light, not like anything I'd ever experienced. I later came to find the bike felt right only with a handlebar bag and /something/ in it - tools, wallet, altogether probably ~2 lb minimum. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: dropping roadies feels so good.
Twas born in 58 so I can identify with the older part.I've had my moments blasting ahead of younger riders and those outfitted it tight stretchy pants.but I am under no delusions that I am winning any racing events or that I am going to outride some younger riders out on a recovery ride or feel gloriously smug passing them at the end of their 80 mile training ride.a mans got to know his limitations (Dirty Harry/Clint Eastwood)and thats all I have to say on this one. On Nov 22, 11:09 am, Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com wrote: The number of forums in which I could be considered fraternizing with the kids is dwindling :) Born in 1969 (69 dude!) Ha. I was spawned in the Summer of Love, but am slower than Christmas. I can add a variation on the theme, though. Was out with some contemporaries, on a meander through some hills south of town, and we pulled over for a second. One of us was on a wife's Betty Foy, which drew a snarky nice bike comment from a young lycra-clad carbon afficianado riding past. It was just before a nice set of rollers that challenge my legs, but my buddy -- who is fitter than your average fellow, even in his advanced years -- took Betty on a quicker pace, caught, greeted, and dropped the critics, who struggled to hold the line before bonking. I'm not generally amused by random displays of machismo, but this one gave us all a chuckle. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Stolen Hillborne: Chicago
I am so sorry to hear about your stolen bike. I lock up my Hillborne religiously in the Sheldon method (small U-lock around the rear wheel, inside the rear triangle.) When I'm going to be away from the bike for more than a minute or two, I thread a braided cable around my front wheel, through my seat to my U-lock. My question is: how did they do it? Did they cut your U-lock? I want to know if I'm being naive thinking that my bike is safe when I lock it up this way. Would anybody be so destructive as to cut through a rear wheel in order to get at a bike locked in the Sheldon method? Link to the Sheldon method: http://sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html Rethinking the Sheldon method: http://www.cyclelicio.us/2011/sheldon-lock-video/ Modified Sheldon method: http://www.802bikeguy.com/2011/07/the-modified-sheldon-brown-bike-locking-strategy/ All of this is moot if they sawed through your lock. Sorry if this is off-topic. I REALLY hope you get your bike back and am hoping in the meantime that I and others can learn from how the scumbags got yours. Daniel M Berkeley, CA On Nov 21, 7:45 am, tthomashardie tthomashar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, My Sam Hillborne was stolen yesterday. It's a long shot, but if anyone has info about this bike please contact me. It's a 48cm new green Hillborne with mustache bars and eclectic mix of parts. No questions asked about how you may know the whereabouts of this bike. I'm not looking to place blame. I'd just like to get it back. Attached is a link to a photo of the bike. Thanks. https://picasaweb.google.com/107908663805379775123/November202011#567... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version
Your build is sweet. Glad to help. The rack looks better on the bike than sitting in my garage. Enjoy, Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/COsiEEKcVXUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Rivideo. DD paint
The most fascinating part for me was the decal placement. It takes a lot of nerve to say yeah, that looks right that quickly. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/0KE8JB1qHq8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
