[RBW] Re: SH/AHH sizing question

[Mike On A Bike]

Just to be clear regarding following Rivendell's advice: Keven told me
to get at least a 66 when I told him my PBH initially, and I muddled
up the process with bad measurements and inexperience. With better
measurements and knowing what I like a la Rivendell bikes for the Sam,
he told me a 64cm Sam would fit like the 68 that I should have gotten,
and he was completely confident that the 64 would fit me really well.
In short, you'd do well to get good measurements and take Riv's
suggestion.

Keven was more than right, as the Sam is the nicest bike I would ever
find it necessary/reasonable to own. Grant does seem to have a truly
extraordinary ability to design a frame for maximum comfort,
performance and fun.

On Feb 28, 12:52 pm, charlie  wrote:
> I ride a 60cm SimpleOne and have a 86.4cm PBH (okay lets just say
> 87cm) I once was 5'11"+ but have shrunk an inch due to weight and age.
> I also have a shorter reach (short arms) relative to my leg length
> (think Welsh potato digger) My 'SO' fits wonderfully with a 9cm stem
> and 41cm noodle bars. From what you all are saying a 56cm 'Sam' would
> fit similarly or a 59cm 'HH'. I know a 58cm Atlantis is my size since
> I am riding a 'LHT' which is fairly similar. Hope this helps give some
> reference to the original poster. I think for the most part, going
> larger than you think and following Riv's advice is a good way to go.
> If you were sure you needed a lower top tube for off road clearance
> and the fattest tires you could go smaller but then you would have to
> make it up using a longer reach stem/bar combo and a taller seat post.
> For road riding sizing larger makes more sense to me.
>
> On Feb 28, 9:40 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > The SH is "compact" sized in that it has a very long tt for its height
> > as well as a very high head tube. I found the 56 to be almost too big
> > and I have had a 60 that was one of the best fitting bikes I've owned.
>
> > As Mike said, a given size in the SH can translate to a much larger
> > size in a more conventionally designed frame.
>
> > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Mike On A Bike
>
> >  wrote:
> > > I have a PBH of 98cm (as best I can tell), saddle height of 86.5cm and
> > > my height is 191cm.
>
> > > I just built up a 64cm Sam Hillborne and it fits absolutely splendid,
> > > fits as I would expect a custom to fit. I have a Brooks shoved all the
> > > way back on a lugged seatpost and a Dirtdrop/Moustache cockpit and it
> > > feels like just the right reach and more than enough height. I have it
> > > set 3cm above the saddle and could probably get 7-8 above if I
> > > wanted.
>
> > > I can contrast this with a 64cm Quickbeam that I bought impulsively
> > > and as my first Rivendell, and I wish I had gotten a 68. I was
> > > irrationally freaked out about buying such a big bike, fearing things
> > > like top tube clearance and just unfamiliarity with the concept (as
> > > I'd never been able to find a good fitting bike on the cheap), but it
> > > was a bad call. I can tell you from personal experience with having
> > > very similar proportions to you that sizing up when in doubt has
> > > resulted in a perfect fitting bike for me.
>
> > > On Feb 25, 2:14 pm, Lugmonster  wrote:
> > >> Hello all,
>
> > >> I live in Australia and am thinking of picking up a Riv, either a
> > >> Hillborne or a Hilsen. Given shipping issues etc. I'm sweating over
> > >> picking the right sized frame. My PBH is 94cm but my height is only
> > >> 186cm ie. I have a pretty long bottom half and short top half. The
> > >> folks at Riv are suggesting that I should be looking at a 64cm
> > >> Hillborne or a 65cm Hilsen.
>
> > >> Now this to me seems massive, as I seem to be comfortable on an
> > >> effective top tube length of about 570mm on a standard racing bike
> > >> (56-68cm frame). Any top tube past 580mm and I feel like its a bit of
> > >> a stretch. I'm therefore thinking of maybe a smaller Hilsen (?63) or a
> > >> 60cm Hillborne.
>
> > >> I do appreciate that the bars will be higher thus shortening the
> > >> distance to handlebars but still it seems like those frames are a bit
> > >> stretched out for me. Anyone with a similar build who has had
> > >> experiences positive or negative with Riv sizing? Could you provide
> > >> some advice? Thanks!
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[RBW] Re: Today's Blug Post

[Philip Williamson]

Like a Volvo 122 rear brake drum... torch, puller, torch, puller,
torch, puller. No one is probably that excited about burning the paint
off the BB shell just to get the cranks off, though. That just reminds
me how much I hate working on cars. Bikes are bad enough.

 Philip

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On Feb 28, 7:12 pm, benzzoy  wrote:
> It's probably Ultra-Torque's cost-saving cousin, Power-Torque.  It's
> essentially the same design as the Shimano Hollowtech II or SRAM
> cranks, with the complete BB spindle being rigidly attached to the
> right (drive) side arm; however, unlike the Shimano or SRAM cranks
> that uses a spline+pinch bolt method, the Power-Torque uses a conical
> spline system that does not have a self-extracting method.  Thus the
> clunky pulley puller you see in the picture that Mark was wrestling
> with (apparently unsuccessfully).
>
> I would guess the left arm probably wasn't tightened to spec, or the
> interface wasn't lubricated/prepared during installation, such that
> the arm had seized onto the BB spindle.  I mean, if a pulley puller
> can't extract it and even apparently broken during use, the arm's
> pretty stuck on there.  I wonder if they had tried heat.  Aluminum
> (arm) and steel (BB spindle) have different thermal expansion
> coefficients...
>
> On Feb 28, 6:12 pm, rw1911  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Interesting that the crank is no cooperating as it looks like an Ultra-
> > torque which has a split spindle.  They should be able to just remove
> > the 10mm bolt and wiggle the two halves apart?
>
> > On Feb 28, 8:02 pm, Aaron Thomas  wrote:
>
> > > I have no position on Riv's business practices here, but on the subject of
> > > today's Blug post, I'd sure like to see a full photo of the
> > > Molteni-orange-ish bike with the Campy crank. Is it a custom? A Roadeo? 
> > > And
> > > why does the customer want it off? Seems like a nifty looking crank to me.
>
> > > Aaron
>
> > > On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> > > > I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant 
> > > > without
> > > > weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I
> > > > can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier
> > > > without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle
> > > > stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell 
> > > > Bicycle
> > > > Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to 
> > > > be,
> > > > whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this.  But still.  Maybe 
> > > > I've
> > > > been away from California for too long.  Planning a visit soon.  Open 
> > > > for
> > > > discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
>
> > > On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> > > > I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant 
> > > > without
> > > > weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I
> > > > can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier
> > > > without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle
> > > > stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell 
> > > > Bicycle
> > > > Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to 
> > > > be,
> > > > whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this.  But still.  Maybe 
> > > > I've
> > > > been away from California for too long.  Planning a visit soon.  Open 
> > > > for
> > > > discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
>
> > > On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> > > > I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant 
> > > > without
> > > > weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I
> > > > can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier
> > > > without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle
> > > > stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell 
> > > > Bicycle
> > > > Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to 
> > > > be,
> > > > whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this.  But still.  Maybe 
> > > > I've
> > > > been away from California for too long.  Planning a visit soon.  Open 
> > > > for
> > > > discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
>
> > > On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> > > > I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant 
> > > > without
> > > > weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I
> > > > can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier
> > > > without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle
> > > > stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell 
> > > > Bicycle
> > > > Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to 
> > 

[RBW] Re: Who's going to NAHBS?

[Manuel Acosta]

I've ridden the route coming back from davis. It's flatish and windy
at some sections. Not particular interesting you either ride really
fast through it or you have company to talk to. I was planning on
riding to get to the show with minimal stoppage , but if I can get
some company it would be great to meet with some people to ride.

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Re: [RBW] Post card Mad Libs Contest!

[jimD]

Excellent!
and one wonders,  what was Madonna's response?
-JimD

On Feb 28, 2012, at 7:33 PM, William wrote:

> Grant blug quote:
> 
> "But that would be kind of neat, wouldn’t it? Sticky-back messages, maybe 
> with blanks in a few key places (“Hi, ___! Long time, no __. 
> I hope you and the fam are doing __. Everybody on my side of the 
> fence is __. Say, do you still have that ___ I lent you 
> about ten years ago? I want it back, if you don’t mind. Cheers, 
> __.”)"
> 
> Fill in the blanks!  First prize is bupkis!
> 
> My entry:
> 
> “Hi, Madonna ! Long time, no fondle. I hope you and the fam are doing 
> pilates. Everybody on my side of the fence is nonplussed. Say, do you still 
> have that conical bra I lent you about ten years ago? I want it back, if you 
> don’t mind. Cheers, William.”
> 
>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Today's Blug Post

[Leslie]

On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:14:28 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Grant Petersen and Rick Smith have never been seen together in public.
> Coincidence?
> I think not!
>
>
ROTFL!!!

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[RBW] Post card Mad Libs Contest!

[William]

Grant blug quote:

"But that would be kind of neat, wouldn’t it? Sticky-back messages, maybe 
with blanks in a few key places (“Hi, ___! Long time, no 
__. I hope you and the fam are doing __. Everybody on my 
side of the fence is __. Say, do you still have that 
___ I lent you about ten years ago? I want it back, if you don’t 
mind. Cheers, __.”)"

Fill in the blanks!  First prize is bupkis!

My entry:

“Hi, Madonna ! Long time, no fondle. I hope you and the fam are doing 
pilates. Everybody on my side of the fence is nonplussed. Say, do you still 
have that conical bra I lent you about ten years ago? I want it back, if 
you don’t mind. Cheers, William.”

 

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Re: [RBW] Today's Blug Post

[Robert F. Harrison]

I have to agree. I signed up in early January so the credit really wouldn't
be doing it's job. I'm just going to pass on it.

Aloha,

Bob


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Tim McNamara  wrote:

>
> I'm signed up already and digging the comics, so while I did it I'm not
> sending an e-mail to Grant for a $20 credit.  It'd be money badly spent for
> Riv.
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[RBW] Re: Today's Blug Post

[Philip Williamson]

So Fiskars the scissors company is Finnish in origin, founded in 1649?
Just rocked my world.
I saw the dateline on the knife-making article, and thought, "Fiskars,
that's a coincidence." Only not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiskars

 Philip

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On Feb 28, 4:34 pm, Tim McNamara  wrote:
> On Feb 28, 2012, at 5:06 PM, islaysteve wrote:
>
>
>
> > I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without 
> > weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I 
> > can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier 
> > without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle 
> > stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell Bicycle 
> > Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be, 
> > whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this.  But still.  Maybe I've 
> > been away from California for too long.  Planning a visit soon.  Open for 
> > discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
>
> Umm.  Grant has weird nuts?  OK that was immature, I know what Steve meant 
> and I shouldn't click send but it made me laugh.  It's been one of those days 
> and I apologize to anyone who might be offended by my occasionally Beavis-y 
> humor.
>
> I like the variety of stuff at Riv and whenever I am shopping I check those 
> things out.  I find that Grant and I often have some similar notions about 
> what's neat (currently it's puukko and Barlow knives.  If you haven't checked 
> out puukko knives, do a web search.  There are some astonishing knives hand 
> made by Finnish and non-Finnsh masters.  Check out some of these:  
> http://www.onoma.org/arkisto/nayttelyt/puukko/puukkoen.htm) and I like what 
> he finds and puts up for sale.  And sometimes there's a neat story about the 
> artisan(s) behind the items and that's cool too.
>
> A real challenge as a business for Riv is that they sell good stuff that 
> doesn't wear out.  I bought an All-Rounder in 1996 and haven't worn it out 
> yet.  Bought Phil hubs and it seems like they will outlive me.  Nitto stem 
> and bars, gonna last a long while yet.  Brooks saddle, ditto (and it's 35 
> years old already).  SunTour derailleurs still going strong.  Good stuff but 
> not replaced every two years.  The problem with selling good durable products 
> is that you keep needing new customers because your old customers aren't 
> coming in all the time to replace worn out unrepairables.  Do Riv a favor and 
> send 'em new customers!
>
> Now if only I could get freewheels as fine shifting, perfectly geared, 
> quietly coasting and nice looking as the old Sachs ARIS 12-24 7 speeds (maybe 
> with harder cogs that don't wear out so fast).  I'm down to my last one (Jim, 
> don't tell Mongo I put one of those back on my bike...).  Maybe I can find a 
> machinist to make me replacement cogs from stainless...

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[RBW] Re: Did we ever find out what H.S. stood for?

[David T.]

Ha ha, keeping with the Francophile theme. Thanks for the shout-outs
to Nanook and Paddle to the Sea too. We used to watch that movie every
year on the last day of school, we all had to sit on the hard floor of
the auditorium. I remember my leg would always fall asleep during it.
It was a good time though.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Today's Blug Post

[cyclotourist]

Grant Petersen and Rick Smith have never been seen together in public.
Coincidence?
I think not!

On 2/28/12, Bruce Herbitter  wrote:
> Me 2.
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:17 PM, dougP  wrote:
>
>> Yehuda Moon is worth full retail; I signed up as soon as Rick re-
>> launched the strip,
>>
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[RBW] Re: Today's Blug Post

[benzzoy]

It's probably Ultra-Torque's cost-saving cousin, Power-Torque.  It's
essentially the same design as the Shimano Hollowtech II or SRAM
cranks, with the complete BB spindle being rigidly attached to the
right (drive) side arm; however, unlike the Shimano or SRAM cranks
that uses a spline+pinch bolt method, the Power-Torque uses a conical
spline system that does not have a self-extracting method.  Thus the
clunky pulley puller you see in the picture that Mark was wrestling
with (apparently unsuccessfully).

I would guess the left arm probably wasn't tightened to spec, or the
interface wasn't lubricated/prepared during installation, such that
the arm had seized onto the BB spindle.  I mean, if a pulley puller
can't extract it and even apparently broken during use, the arm's
pretty stuck on there.  I wonder if they had tried heat.  Aluminum
(arm) and steel (BB spindle) have different thermal expansion
coefficients...



On Feb 28, 6:12 pm, rw1911  wrote:
> Interesting that the crank is no cooperating as it looks like an Ultra-
> torque which has a split spindle.  They should be able to just remove
> the 10mm bolt and wiggle the two halves apart?
>
> On Feb 28, 8:02 pm, Aaron Thomas  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I have no position on Riv's business practices here, but on the subject of
> > today's Blug post, I'd sure like to see a full photo of the
> > Molteni-orange-ish bike with the Campy crank. Is it a custom? A Roadeo? And
> > why does the customer want it off? Seems like a nifty looking crank to me.
>
> > Aaron
>
> > On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> > > I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without
> > > weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I
> > > can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier
> > > without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle
> > > stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell 
> > > Bicycle
> > > Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be,
> > > whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this.  But still.  Maybe 
> > > I've
> > > been away from California for too long.  Planning a visit soon.  Open for
> > > discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
>
> > On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> > > I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without
> > > weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I
> > > can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier
> > > without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle
> > > stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell 
> > > Bicycle
> > > Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be,
> > > whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this.  But still.  Maybe 
> > > I've
> > > been away from California for too long.  Planning a visit soon.  Open for
> > > discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
>
> > On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> > > I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without
> > > weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I
> > > can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier
> > > without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle
> > > stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell 
> > > Bicycle
> > > Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be,
> > > whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this.  But still.  Maybe 
> > > I've
> > > been away from California for too long.  Planning a visit soon.  Open for
> > > discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
>
> > On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> > > I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without
> > > weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I
> > > can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier
> > > without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle
> > > stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell 
> > > Bicycle
> > > Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be,
> > > whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this.  But still.  Maybe 
> > > I've
> > > been away from California for too long.  Planning a visit soon.  Open for
> > > discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve

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Re: [RBW] Today's Blug Post

[Tim McNamara]

On Feb 28, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Rex Kerr wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:58 PM, William  wrote:
> If you want to diss Rivendell's fiscally questionable maneuvers, go no 
> further than their offer to pay you $20 if you'll subscribe to Yehuda Moon 
> for $12.  Who's the bigger fool?  Riv for offering it?  Or you for not taking 
> advantage?  Crazy like a fox, I tell you!
> 
> Yeah, that's quite a giveaway... I'd feel guilty for accepting it; though 
> I've been considering signing up for YM anyhow. 


I'm signed up already and digging the comics, so while I did it I'm not sending 
an e-mail to Grant for a $20 credit.  It'd be money badly spent for Riv.

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[RBW] Today's Blug Post

[Peter Pesce]

"Stuff Grant thinks is neat" is a tricky business model. Obviously there is a 
strong core of people who think that bike stuff-Grant-thinks-is-neat is neat, 
but the model would obviously be weaker at the margins. Riv always seemed least 
strong as a lifestyle company, most strong as a bicycle maker. As long as the 
lifestyle accoutrements don't drag down the bike company, no harm done. But at 
the first sign of trouble, and we've all been privvy to those signs, I'd lose 
the postcards, and other peripheral niceties long before I got rid of the 
SimpleOne and SlickerSack. 

Pete in CT

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[RBW] Re: Today's Blug Post

[EricP]

Agree on Mr. Moon & Co., although I have to have the comments section
"off" to truly enjoy the strip. Been re-subscribed since the strip re-
launched. (Was also a patron before the hiatus.)

As to what Rivendell sells, that is their choice.  They happen to be
my source for Kookaburra and shaving cream.  But not everything
catches my eye.  But it is amazing after a few years how much of the
stuff they sell has ended up at my place.

Might not be able to justify multiple Rivendell bikes, but do have
multiple MUSA knickers.  (As well as pants, shorts and most other
clothing.)

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN



On Feb 28, 7:17 pm, dougP  wrote:
> Yehuda Moon is worth full retail; I signed up as soon as Rick re-
> launched the strip, & have gotten my year's worth of laughs already.
> With the deal Grant is offering, you can't go wrong.
>
> The "little goodies" are hard to criticize but I can see stuff like
> that being a bit of drag on profits.  The upcoming Rivendell poster is
> intriguing, and I need some balance for the Hiawatha posters :).  I
> got one the metric tape measures a few years back, and that's a
> stretch to being bike related.  It's nice to have some odd bits like
> that, but it could be easy to get carried away.
>
> dougP
>
> On Feb 28, 5:04 pm, Rex Kerr  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:58 PM, William  wrote:
> > > If you want to diss Rivendell's fiscally questionable maneuvers, go no
> > > further than their offer to pay you $20 if you'll subscribe to Yehuda Moon
> > > for $12.  Who's the bigger fool?  Riv for offering it?  Or you for not
> > > taking advantage?  Crazy like a fox, I tell you!
>
> > Yeah, that's quite a giveaway... I'd feel guilty for accepting it; though
> > I've been considering signing up for YM anyhow.

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[RBW] Re: Today's Blug Post

[rw1911]

Interesting that the crank is no cooperating as it looks like an Ultra-
torque which has a split spindle.  They should be able to just remove
the 10mm bolt and wiggle the two halves apart?



On Feb 28, 8:02 pm, Aaron Thomas  wrote:
> I have no position on Riv's business practices here, but on the subject of
> today's Blug post, I'd sure like to see a full photo of the
> Molteni-orange-ish bike with the Campy crank. Is it a custom? A Roadeo? And
> why does the customer want it off? Seems like a nifty looking crank to me.
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> > I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without
> > weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I
> > can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier
> > without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle
> > stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell Bicycle
> > Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be,
> > whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this.  But still.  Maybe I've
> > been away from California for too long.  Planning a visit soon.  Open for
> > discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
>
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> > I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without
> > weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I
> > can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier
> > without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle
> > stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell Bicycle
> > Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be,
> > whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this.  But still.  Maybe I've
> > been away from California for too long.  Planning a visit soon.  Open for
> > discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
>
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> > I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without
> > weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I
> > can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier
> > without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle
> > stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell Bicycle
> > Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be,
> > whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this.  But still.  Maybe I've
> > been away from California for too long.  Planning a visit soon.  Open for
> > discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
>
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> > I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without
> > weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I
> > can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier
> > without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle
> > stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell Bicycle
> > Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be,
> > whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this.  But still.  Maybe I've
> > been away from California for too long.  Planning a visit soon.  Open for
> > discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve

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[RBW] Re: Today's Blug Post

[Mike]

On Feb 28, 4:54 pm, Bruce Herbitter  wrote:
> "Although, on the topic of tents, here’s me at 23 in 1977 standing
> alongside my Rivendell Mountain
> WorksBombshelter. On Mt.
> Shasta, and 80 mph winds."
>
> Now that is a postcard that would sell.   Seriously.

I'd like to hear more from Grant about his touring, camping, and
cycling excursions in the 70s and early 80s. I absolutely love that
photo of him on Shasta. I also love Grant's tangential rambling blog
post. It's one of the many quirky things I love about Rivendell.

As for Yehuda Moon... just not my thing.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Did we ever find out what H.S. stood for?

[grant]

Henri Slackeur (or, in the case of Beth and others of her ilk:
Henrietta Slackeuse)

On Feb 28, 3:26 pm, "David T."  wrote:
> Maybe I missed it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Today's Blug Post

[Bruce Herbitter]

Me 2.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:17 PM, dougP  wrote:

> Yehuda Moon is worth full retail; I signed up as soon as Rick re-
> launched the strip,
>

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[RBW] Re: Today's Blug Post

[dougP]

Yehuda Moon is worth full retail; I signed up as soon as Rick re-
launched the strip, & have gotten my year's worth of laughs already.
With the deal Grant is offering, you can't go wrong.

The "little goodies" are hard to criticize but I can see stuff like
that being a bit of drag on profits.  The upcoming Rivendell poster is
intriguing, and I need some balance for the Hiawatha posters :).  I
got one the metric tape measures a few years back, and that's a
stretch to being bike related.  It's nice to have some odd bits like
that, but it could be easy to get carried away.

dougP

On Feb 28, 5:04 pm, Rex Kerr  wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:58 PM, William  wrote:
> > If you want to diss Rivendell's fiscally questionable maneuvers, go no
> > further than their offer to pay you $20 if you'll subscribe to Yehuda Moon
> > for $12.  Who's the bigger fool?  Riv for offering it?  Or you for not
> > taking advantage?  Crazy like a fox, I tell you!
>
> Yeah, that's quite a giveaway... I'd feel guilty for accepting it; though
> I've been considering signing up for YM anyhow.

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Re: [RBW] Who's going to NAHBS?

[Rex Kerr]

> Anyone else from this collective planning on going?  It might be nice to
connect names and faces.  I'm thinking
> about wearing my little RBW pin so any Rivvers might see it and say "Hey!"

Just discovered this thread after starting my own.  I plan to be there on
Saturday -- will be wearing my brown RBW T-Shirt.

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Re: [RBW] Today's Blug Post

[Rex Kerr]

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:58 PM, William  wrote:

> If you want to diss Rivendell's fiscally questionable maneuvers, go no
> further than their offer to pay you $20 if you'll subscribe to Yehuda Moon
> for $12.  Who's the bigger fool?  Riv for offering it?  Or you for not
> taking advantage?  Crazy like a fox, I tell you!
>

Yeah, that's quite a giveaway... I'd feel guilty for accepting it; though
I've been considering signing up for YM anyhow.

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[RBW] Re: Today's Blug Post

[Aaron Thomas]

I have no position on Riv's business practices here, but on the subject of 
today's Blug post, I'd sure like to see a full photo of the 
Molteni-orange-ish bike with the Campy crank. Is it a custom? A Roadeo? And 
why does the customer want it off? Seems like a nifty looking crank to me.

Aaron

On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without 
> weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I 
> can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier 
> without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle 
> stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell Bicycle 
> Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be, 
> whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this.  But still.  Maybe I've 
> been away from California for too long.  Planning a visit soon.  Open for 
> discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
>
>
On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without 
> weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I 
> can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier 
> without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle 
> stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell Bicycle 
> Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be, 
> whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this.  But still.  Maybe I've 
> been away from California for too long.  Planning a visit soon.  Open for 
> discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
>
>
On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without 
> weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I 
> can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier 
> without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle 
> stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell Bicycle 
> Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be, 
> whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this.  But still.  Maybe I've 
> been away from California for too long.  Planning a visit soon.  Open for 
> discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
>
>
On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without 
> weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I 
> can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier 
> without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle 
> stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell Bicycle 
> Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be, 
> whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this.  But still.  Maybe I've 
> been away from California for too long.  Planning a visit soon.  Open for 
> discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
>
>

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Re: [RBW] NAHBS this weekend

[Rex Kerr]

Well, the website does say:

> Indoor bicycle parking is provided adjacent to the show hall.

But I'm still not sure how it'll be.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Andrew  wrote:

>
> Does it seem just absurd that this event would not have valet bike
> parking?
>

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Re: [RBW] NAHBS this weekend

[William]

San Francisco Giants offer free secure valet bike parking, but NAHBS does 
not.  No justice, just us.  

On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:57:24 PM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Rex Kerr  wrote:
>
>> Any of you going to be there this Saturday?  I'll be wandering around in 
>> my brown Rivendell T-Shirt... say hi if you see me!
>>
>> Probably won't have my Homer with me as I don't know how good of parking 
>> I'll find, and I'm always uncomfortable leaving it unattended in the city.
>>
>
> Does it seem just absurd that this event would not have valet bike 
> parking? 
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>

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Re: [RBW] Today's Blug Post

[William]

If you want to diss Rivendell's fiscally questionable maneuvers, go no 
further than their offer to pay you $20 if you'll subscribe to Yehuda Moon 
for $12.  Who's the bigger fool?  Riv for offering it?  Or you for not 
taking advantage?  Crazy like a fox, I tell you!

On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:34:09 PM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
> On Feb 28, 2012, at 5:06 PM, islaysteve wrote:
> > 
> > I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant 
> without weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site. 
>  But I can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit 
> happier without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or 
> marginally-bicycle stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes. 
>  Rivendell Bicycle Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here 
> don't want it to be, whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this. 
>  But still.  Maybe I've been away from California for too long.  Planning a 
> visit soon.  Open for discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
>
> Umm.  Grant has weird nuts?  OK that was immature, I know what Steve meant 
> and I shouldn't click send but it made me laugh.  It's been one of those 
> days and I apologize to anyone who might be offended by my occasionally 
> Beavis-y humor.
>
> I like the variety of stuff at Riv and whenever I am shopping I check 
> those things out.  I find that Grant and I often have some similar notions 
> about what's neat (currently it's puukko and Barlow knives.  If you haven't 
> checked out puukko knives, do a web search.  There are some astonishing 
> knives hand made by Finnish and non-Finnsh masters.  Check out some of 
> these:  http://www.onoma.org/arkisto/nayttelyt/puukko/puukkoen.htm) and I 
> like what he finds and puts up for sale.  And sometimes there's a neat 
> story about the artisan(s) behind the items and that's cool too.
>
> A real challenge as a business for Riv is that they sell good stuff that 
> doesn't wear out.  I bought an All-Rounder in 1996 and haven't worn it out 
> yet.  Bought Phil hubs and it seems like they will outlive me.  Nitto stem 
> and bars, gonna last a long while yet.  Brooks saddle, ditto (and it's 35 
> years old already).  SunTour derailleurs still going strong.  Good stuff 
> but not replaced every two years.  The problem with selling good durable 
> products is that you keep needing new customers because your old customers 
> aren't coming in all the time to replace worn out unrepairables.  Do Riv a 
> favor and send 'em new customers!
>
> Now if only I could get freewheels as fine shifting, perfectly geared, 
> quietly coasting and nice looking as the old Sachs ARIS 12-24 7 speeds 
> (maybe with harder cogs that don't wear out so fast).  I'm down to my last 
> one (Jim, don't tell Mongo I put one of those back on my bike...).  Maybe I 
> can find a machinist to make me replacement cogs from stainless...
>
>
On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:34:09 PM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
> On Feb 28, 2012, at 5:06 PM, islaysteve wrote:
> > 
> > I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant 
> without weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site. 
>  But I can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit 
> happier without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or 
> marginally-bicycle stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes. 
>  Rivendell Bicycle Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here 
> don't want it to be, whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this. 
>  But still.  Maybe I've been away from California for too long.  Planning a 
> visit soon.  Open for discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
>
> Umm.  Grant has weird nuts?  OK that was immature, I know what Steve meant 
> and I shouldn't click send but it made me laugh.  It's been one of those 
> days and I apologize to anyone who might be offended by my occasionally 
> Beavis-y humor.
>
> I like the variety of stuff at Riv and whenever I am shopping I check 
> those things out.  I find that Grant and I often have some similar notions 
> about what's neat (currently it's puukko and Barlow knives.  If you haven't 
> checked out puukko knives, do a web search.  There are some astonishing 
> knives hand made by Finnish and non-Finnsh masters.  Check out some of 
> these:  http://www.onoma.org/arkisto/nayttelyt/puukko/puukkoen.htm) and I 
> like what he finds and puts up for sale.  And sometimes there's a neat 
> story about the artisan(s) behind the items and that's cool too.
>
> A real challenge as a business for Riv is that they sell good stuff that 
> doesn't wear out.  I bought an All-Rounder in 1996 and haven't worn it out 
> yet.  Bought Phil hubs and it seems like they will outlive me.  Nitto stem 
> and bars, gonna last a long while yet.  Brooks saddle, ditto (and it's 35 
> years old already).  SunTour derailleurs still going strong.  Good stuff 
> but not replaced every two years.  The pr

Re: [RBW] NAHBS this weekend

[Andrew]

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Rex Kerr  wrote:

> Any of you going to be there this Saturday?  I'll be wandering around in
> my brown Rivendell T-Shirt... say hi if you see me!
>
> Probably won't have my Homer with me as I don't know how good of parking
> I'll find, and I'm always uncomfortable leaving it unattended in the city.
>

Does it seem just absurd that this event would not have valet bike parking?

- Andrew, Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] Re: Today's Blug Post

[Bruce Herbitter]

"Although, on the topic of tents, here’s me at 23 in 1977 standing
alongside my Rivendell Mountain
WorksBombshelter. On Mt.
Shasta, and 80 mph winds."

Now that is a postcard that would sell.   Seriously.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Stephen S  wrote:

> The notecards, posters, and postcards are all bike stuff. They shouldn't
> even count in the marginally-bicycle stuff category in my opinion.
>

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[RBW] NAHBS this weekend

[Rex Kerr]

Any of you going to be there this Saturday?  I'll be wandering around in my
brown Rivendell T-Shirt... say hi if you see me!

Probably won't have my Homer with me as I don't know how good of parking
I'll find, and I'm always uncomfortable leaving it unattended in the city.

-Rex

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Re: [RBW] Today's Blug Post

[Tim McNamara]

On Feb 28, 2012, at 5:06 PM, islaysteve wrote:
> 
> I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without 
> weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I can't 
> help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier without 
> having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle stuff.  And I 
> wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell Bicycle Works isn't 
> Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be, whether we like 
> VO's offerings or not.  I get this.  But still.  Maybe I've been away from 
> California for too long.  Planning a visit soon.  Open for discussion (RBW, 
> that is).  Cheers, Steve

Umm.  Grant has weird nuts?  OK that was immature, I know what Steve meant and 
I shouldn't click send but it made me laugh.  It's been one of those days and I 
apologize to anyone who might be offended by my occasionally Beavis-y humor.

I like the variety of stuff at Riv and whenever I am shopping I check those 
things out.  I find that Grant and I often have some similar notions about 
what's neat (currently it's puukko and Barlow knives.  If you haven't checked 
out puukko knives, do a web search.  There are some astonishing knives hand 
made by Finnish and non-Finnsh masters.  Check out some of these:  
http://www.onoma.org/arkisto/nayttelyt/puukko/puukkoen.htm) and I like what he 
finds and puts up for sale.  And sometimes there's a neat story about the 
artisan(s) behind the items and that's cool too.

A real challenge as a business for Riv is that they sell good stuff that 
doesn't wear out.  I bought an All-Rounder in 1996 and haven't worn it out yet. 
 Bought Phil hubs and it seems like they will outlive me.  Nitto stem and bars, 
gonna last a long while yet.  Brooks saddle, ditto (and it's 35 years old 
already).  SunTour derailleurs still going strong.  Good stuff but not replaced 
every two years.  The problem with selling good durable products is that you 
keep needing new customers because your old customers aren't coming in all the 
time to replace worn out unrepairables.  Do Riv a favor and send 'em new 
customers!

Now if only I could get freewheels as fine shifting, perfectly geared, quietly 
coasting and nice looking as the old Sachs ARIS 12-24 7 speeds (maybe with 
harder cogs that don't wear out so fast).  I'm down to my last one (Jim, don't 
tell Mongo I put one of those back on my bike...).  Maybe I can find a 
machinist to make me replacement cogs from stainless...

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[RBW] Re: Today's Blug Post

[Stephen S]

The notecards, posters, and postcards are all bike stuff. They shouldn't 
even count in the marginally-bicycle stuff category in my opinion. Now 
granted they aren't bike components, accessories, or clothing but they 
should still be called bike stuff. I like the posters and have bought some 
to put up as art around my apartment and intend to buy more posters from 
Riv and hopefully more of the Hiawatha Cyclery posters 
http://www.hiawathacyclery.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&products_id=348&zenid=e788da27f59e5935eb10a33310ea30c5
. 

For me it adds to the cycling culture. I don't see myself ever buying into 
all of Grant's ideas but I see the value in a good amount of them. I pick 
and choose the things that I care about and am interested in. I would hate 
to see everything ancillary to the frames, parts, and accessories removed 
from Rivendell. 

Stephen


On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without 
> weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I 
> can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier 
> without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle 
> stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell Bicycle 
> Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be, 
> whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this.  But still.  Maybe I've 
> been away from California for too long.  Planning a visit soon.  Open for 
> discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
>
>
On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without 
> weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I 
> can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier 
> without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle 
> stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell Bicycle 
> Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be, 
> whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this.  But still.  Maybe I've 
> been away from California for too long.  Planning a visit soon.  Open for 
> discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
>
>
On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without 
> weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I 
> can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier 
> without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle 
> stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell Bicycle 
> Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be, 
> whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this.  But still.  Maybe I've 
> been away from California for too long.  Planning a visit soon.  Open for 
> discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
>
>
On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:06:44 PM UTC-8, islaysteve wrote:
>
> I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without 
> weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I 
> can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier 
> without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle 
> stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell Bicycle 
> Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be, 
> whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this.  But still.  Maybe I've 
> been away from California for too long.  Planning a visit soon.  Open for 
> discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve
>
>

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[RBW] Did we ever find out what H.S. stood for?

[David T.]

Maybe I missed it.

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[RBW] Today's Blug Post

[islaysteve]

I know that Rivendell wouldn't be RBW and Grant wouldn't be Grant without 
weird nuts, erasers, posters and notecards for sale on the site.  But I 
can't help but wonder if the year-end messages wouldn't be a bit happier 
without having to carry some of this non-bicycle or marginally-bicycle 
stuff.  And I wasn't even going to mention bamboo boxes.  Rivendell Bicycle 
Works isn't Velo Orange and I imagine that most here don't want it to be, 
whether we like VO's offerings or not.  I get this.  But still.  Maybe I've 
been away from California for too long.  Planning a visit soon.  Open for 
discussion (RBW, that is).  Cheers, Steve

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Re: [RBW] Re: recent Atlantis changes

[René Sterental]

If by the 3 mounts on the seat stays you mean these *
http://tinyurl.com/3v28e6l* then the purpose is to be able to mount the
shorter/smaller version of the Nitto Big Rear Rack on the larger 700c
models (my photo shows the smaller rack model mounted on the 58
Hunqapillar). The greatest advantage of the smaller Nitto rear rack over
the larger one, is that the smaller one fits much closer to the seat stays
and thus goes under the saddle better. I prefer such a setup for the large
saddle bags (Sackville or otherwise) as it prevents the top of the rack
from interfering with the saddlebag and even allow the saddle bag to rest
there instead of falling on top of it as you can see in the photo (showing
an Acorn large saddlebag, which is much smaller than the Sackville or the
Carradice Camper).

This is a recent modification/addition that I believe started in the last
12-18 months on some models. It's my preferred seat stay option now. I
don't have it on my Atlantis, which is a bit older than that.

René
*
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[RBW] FS: Platrack and Olive Slickersack $160

[allenmichael]

I have all the hardware, the shoulder strap, and dividers.  The bag is
in excellent condition.  The price does not include shipping.  Pick up
in San Francisco would be best, but will ship and charge actual
shipping costs.

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[RBW] Re: f.s swift industries pelican bag

[dylan alverson]

Pelican bag is sold

On Feb 27, 8:50 am, dylan alverson  wrote:
> HI I'm getting rid of my swift industries pelican bag it was one of
> their first runs made out of waxed canvas similar to filson material,
> green trim with an orange patch. Great condition  it's just been
> sitting in my basement far too long.  I would be interested in trading
> for a handlebar bag ostrich, baggins or something similar.  Heres
> swifts websitehttp://www.builtbyswift.com
> If you are interested I'll send pictures.
> $100 shipped

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Re: [RBW] Non-campsite s24o advice

[Andrew]

I've poached campsites on Mt. Tam and in Marin headlands many times over
the years. They key has been showing up late, making minimal visual and
physical impact, and leaving early. On the off-chance that you run into a
ranger or land manager, you're less likely to be cited if you can show that
you're exercising a healthy respect for the park/lands they're patrolling.

- Andrew, Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who's going to NAHBS?

[Lee Chae]

My initial plans to ride up to the show have been canceled due to
other events. But, I was planning on creating a ride based on the SF
Randonneurs' Davis 200K route. You can find the cue sheet here:

http://sfrandonneurs.org/route-archive.htm

A few notes:
- I haven't ridden this route, but I know that SFR tries to choose
safe and scenic routes where possible, which was why I was planning on
using it. With that said, they do this brevet at night and I don't
know whether the day-time vs. night-time car traffic patterns differ
greatly.

- You'll need to figure out which BART station you want to use as the
ride start, and how to link that up to the start of the cue sheet.

- You'll need to map your own leg from Davis to Sacramento, but I'm
sure that Google can find you some good ones.

Happy riding,
Lee
SF, CA


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:
> I've ridden and/or driven most of this route. IMHO, it's not terribly
> scenic, and it is mostly flat. I would especially urge caution on 160/River
> Road--narrow, two-lane road with high speed traffic.
>
> Personally, I would rather take BART to Richmond and then take Amtrak to
> Sacramento. That will put you in town just a few blocks from the NAHBS.
> You'll have more time to see the show, which will be *much* more interesting
> than the rather boring, flat roads of Solano County.
>
> --Eric N
>
> On Feb 28, 2012, at 9:00 AM, JPTwins  wrote:
>
> I was originally planning on taking Amtrak up from the bay area on Saturday,
> seeing the show on Sunday, and riding back to SF via Petaluma on Monday and
> Tuesday.  it didn't even occur to me to ride from Pittsburg!  Looking on
> google maps, this is the bike route that i saw: http://g.co/maps/463ah
> Manny & Adam, is this what you're thinking? It's super flat, but is it an
> interesting ride? Now I might have to do that Saturday instead!  Maybe even
> visit RivHQ that morning
>
> geoff
> boston, ma
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:01:09 AM UTC-5, Adam wrote:
>>
>> I'll be riding up from Pittsburg/Baypoint as well.  Leaving Friday
>> afternoon and camping at Brannan Island.  Riding the rest of the way
>> there on Saturday morning.
>>
>> Perhaps we should meet up Manny?
>>
>> I'll sport my RBW pin and keep a look out for a friendly face at the
>> show.
>>
>> Best,
>> Adam
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who's going to NAHBS?

[Joe Bunik]

Hi guys

Good-neighbor-buddy Jim M. and myself are headed up SUN a.m. to work
volunteer shifts at the show (until 1, IIRC). I think I will bring the
Legolas if at all possible.

=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

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[RBW] Re: SH/AHH sizing question

[charlie]

I ride a 60cm SimpleOne and have a 86.4cm PBH (okay lets just say
87cm) I once was 5'11"+ but have shrunk an inch due to weight and age.
I also have a shorter reach (short arms) relative to my leg length
(think Welsh potato digger) My 'SO' fits wonderfully with a 9cm stem
and 41cm noodle bars. From what you all are saying a 56cm 'Sam' would
fit similarly or a 59cm 'HH'. I know a 58cm Atlantis is my size since
I am riding a 'LHT' which is fairly similar. Hope this helps give some
reference to the original poster. I think for the most part, going
larger than you think and following Riv's advice is a good way to go.
If you were sure you needed a lower top tube for off road clearance
and the fattest tires you could go smaller but then you would have to
make it up using a longer reach stem/bar combo and a taller seat post.
For road riding sizing larger makes more sense to me.

On Feb 28, 9:40 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> The SH is "compact" sized in that it has a very long tt for its height
> as well as a very high head tube. I found the 56 to be almost too big
> and I have had a 60 that was one of the best fitting bikes I've owned.
>
> As Mike said, a given size in the SH can translate to a much larger
> size in a more conventionally designed frame.
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Mike On A Bike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  wrote:
> > I have a PBH of 98cm (as best I can tell), saddle height of 86.5cm and
> > my height is 191cm.
>
> > I just built up a 64cm Sam Hillborne and it fits absolutely splendid,
> > fits as I would expect a custom to fit. I have a Brooks shoved all the
> > way back on a lugged seatpost and a Dirtdrop/Moustache cockpit and it
> > feels like just the right reach and more than enough height. I have it
> > set 3cm above the saddle and could probably get 7-8 above if I
> > wanted.
>
> > I can contrast this with a 64cm Quickbeam that I bought impulsively
> > and as my first Rivendell, and I wish I had gotten a 68. I was
> > irrationally freaked out about buying such a big bike, fearing things
> > like top tube clearance and just unfamiliarity with the concept (as
> > I'd never been able to find a good fitting bike on the cheap), but it
> > was a bad call. I can tell you from personal experience with having
> > very similar proportions to you that sizing up when in doubt has
> > resulted in a perfect fitting bike for me.
>
> > On Feb 25, 2:14 pm, Lugmonster  wrote:
> >> Hello all,
>
> >> I live in Australia and am thinking of picking up a Riv, either a
> >> Hillborne or a Hilsen. Given shipping issues etc. I'm sweating over
> >> picking the right sized frame. My PBH is 94cm but my height is only
> >> 186cm ie. I have a pretty long bottom half and short top half. The
> >> folks at Riv are suggesting that I should be looking at a 64cm
> >> Hillborne or a 65cm Hilsen.
>
> >> Now this to me seems massive, as I seem to be comfortable on an
> >> effective top tube length of about 570mm on a standard racing bike
> >> (56-68cm frame). Any top tube past 580mm and I feel like its a bit of
> >> a stretch. I'm therefore thinking of maybe a smaller Hilsen (?63) or a
> >> 60cm Hillborne.
>
> >> I do appreciate that the bars will be higher thus shortening the
> >> distance to handlebars but still it seems like those frames are a bit
> >> stretched out for me. Anyone with a similar build who has had
> >> experiences positive or negative with Riv sizing? Could you provide
> >> some advice? Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Non-campsite s24o advice

[MSmith]

I am not in California, so I don't have any specific info on those places,
but I've always found this to be a situation of "It's easier to receive
forgiveness that permission."

One thing I love about bike camping (as opposed to motorcycle camping, for
example,) is that it is very easy to disappear.  No one is going to come
looking for you.  Just make sure that you find a spot that can't be seen
from any roads, don't make any fires, and leave no traces and you should be
fine.

I have been "found" a few times, but the squatter bike camper is pretty low
on the "threatening" list and most authorities have let me off with a very
stern "Don't do it anymore."  I have never been forced to move.

Good luck-
Mike in So. Boston, Mass



On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Alex  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> My girlfriend and I did our first s24o in the Marin headlands
> (Haypress campsite) last weekend. We both had a blast, but we're both
> used to camping in more wilderness-type settings (i.e., no picnic
> tables, no portapotties, no numbered spots for tents) and were hoping
> that for our next one we could just camp somewhere by ourselves. I
> know from admiring the beautiful photos on the RBW website that this
> is possible, but I was hoping to get some advice on how tricky it is.
> Is it actually illegal to camp in places like Briones, Shell Ridge,
> and Mt. Diablo without being in a designated campsite? I haven't found
> anything on their websites saying so. Have people ever been roused by
> angry park rangers in the middle of the night? Is there some risk of a
> huge fine? I've read Grant's description of bike camping on the
> website and I was intrigued by his mention of "stealth" being a
> requirement. I just wanted to get a sense of how stealthy you need to
> be and what happens if you're not stealthy enough.
>
> --Alex
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Re: [RBW] Re: SH/AHH sizing question

[PATRICK MOORE]

The SH is "compact" sized in that it has a very long tt for its height
as well as a very high head tube. I found the 56 to be almost too big
and I have had a 60 that was one of the best fitting bikes I've owned.

As Mike said, a given size in the SH can translate to a much larger
size in a more conventionally designed frame.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Mike On A Bike
 wrote:
> I have a PBH of 98cm (as best I can tell), saddle height of 86.5cm and
> my height is 191cm.
>
> I just built up a 64cm Sam Hillborne and it fits absolutely splendid,
> fits as I would expect a custom to fit. I have a Brooks shoved all the
> way back on a lugged seatpost and a Dirtdrop/Moustache cockpit and it
> feels like just the right reach and more than enough height. I have it
> set 3cm above the saddle and could probably get 7-8 above if I
> wanted.
>
> I can contrast this with a 64cm Quickbeam that I bought impulsively
> and as my first Rivendell, and I wish I had gotten a 68. I was
> irrationally freaked out about buying such a big bike, fearing things
> like top tube clearance and just unfamiliarity with the concept (as
> I'd never been able to find a good fitting bike on the cheap), but it
> was a bad call. I can tell you from personal experience with having
> very similar proportions to you that sizing up when in doubt has
> resulted in a perfect fitting bike for me.
>
> On Feb 25, 2:14 pm, Lugmonster  wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I live in Australia and am thinking of picking up a Riv, either a
>> Hillborne or a Hilsen. Given shipping issues etc. I'm sweating over
>> picking the right sized frame. My PBH is 94cm but my height is only
>> 186cm ie. I have a pretty long bottom half and short top half. The
>> folks at Riv are suggesting that I should be looking at a 64cm
>> Hillborne or a 65cm Hilsen.
>>
>> Now this to me seems massive, as I seem to be comfortable on an
>> effective top tube length of about 570mm on a standard racing bike
>> (56-68cm frame). Any top tube past 580mm and I feel like its a bit of
>> a stretch. I'm therefore thinking of maybe a smaller Hilsen (?63) or a
>> 60cm Hillborne.
>>
>> I do appreciate that the bars will be higher thus shortening the
>> distance to handlebars but still it seems like those frames are a bit
>> stretched out for me. Anyone with a similar build who has had
>> experiences positive or negative with Riv sizing? Could you provide
>> some advice? Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Drop Bar Newbie Qs

[PATRICK MOORE]

FWIW, I find the 42 Noodles that I just swapped out for the original
46s (thanks, Dylan) more comfortable than the wider ones. They feel
more natural. And, as I said, the Maes Parallel copies at (I think)
38s flaring to 41 or so, are the bees' knees. (Or is that "bee's
knees"?)

Note that Velo Orange sells the less elegant but substantially the
same Grand Cru Course bar for $50 compared to the GB's $89, and the VO
models come in wider sizes: 42 to 46 versus 37 to 39. (Both VO and GB
bars are slightly flared at the ends.)

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Smitty-A-Go-Go <54ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wasn't too keen on any drop bars before a few days ago. The 48 noodles
> were bought on a whim off the list here and sat untouched for several weeks.
> My whole thought process was something like: "Since all my other bars are at
> least this wide maybe wide drop bars would smooth the transition to drop
> bars." It wasn't until I decided I was going to give drops an honest try and
> actually put them on my bike and rode them a little that I really gave any
> more thought to what features/sizes I might actually prefer in a drop bar.
> I'm fine with the 48s for now.  But that's sort of like saying I'm fine with
> Skippy peanut butter before I ever try Adams... or any other peanut butter.
>
>
> Regarding the 48s I have already noticed that they're not as sporty feeling
> as I initially thought. Perhaps that's just my getting used to them after a
> few miles. I can imagine swapping the 48s out for something narrower... if
> only as an experiment.  When/if I do, I'll surely post about it.
>
> --Smitty
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:50:33 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 2012-02-27 at 20:00 -0800, Smitty-A-Go-Go wrote:
>> >
>> > Those Grand Bois bars are intriguing. If I were buying bars today,
>> > those would be on the short list. I’m going to ride the bars I have
>> > for now (48cm Noodles) and get a feel for what my drop bar preferences
>> > are.  Perhaps next time I get fidgety the GBs will get ordered.
>>
>> If you like a 48cm Noodle I can't imagine your liking any Grand Bois
>> handlebar.  They are all, even the widest, dramatically narrower than
>> that Noodle.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who's going to NAHBS?

[Eric Norris]

I've ridden and/or driven most of this route. IMHO, it's not terribly scenic, 
and it is mostly flat. I would especially urge caution on 160/River 
Road--narrow, two-lane road with high speed traffic.

Personally, I would rather take BART to Richmond and then take Amtrak to 
Sacramento. That will put you in town just a few blocks from the NAHBS. You'll 
have more time to see the show, which will be *much* more interesting than the 
rather boring, flat roads of Solano County.

--Eric N

On Feb 28, 2012, at 9:00 AM, JPTwins  wrote:

> I was originally planning on taking Amtrak up from the bay area on Saturday, 
> seeing the show on Sunday, and riding back to SF via Petaluma on Monday and 
> Tuesday.  it didn't even occur to me to ride from Pittsburg!  Looking on 
> google maps, this is the bike route that i saw: http://g.co/maps/463ah  Manny 
> & Adam, is this what you're thinking? It's super flat, but is it an 
> interesting ride? Now I might have to do that Saturday instead!  Maybe even 
> visit RivHQ that morning
> 
> geoff
> boston, ma
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:01:09 AM UTC-5, Adam wrote:
> I'll be riding up from Pittsburg/Baypoint as well.  Leaving Friday 
> afternoon and camping at Brannan Island.  Riding the rest of the way 
> there on Saturday morning. 
> 
> Perhaps we should meet up Manny? 
> 
> I'll sport my RBW pin and keep a look out for a friendly face at the 
> show. 
> 
> Best, 
> Adam 
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[RBW] Re: Who's going to NAHBS?

[JPTwins]

I was originally planning on taking Amtrak up from the bay area on 
Saturday, seeing the show on Sunday, and riding back to SF via Petaluma on 
Monday and Tuesday.  it didn't even occur to me to ride from Pittsburg!  
Looking on google maps, this is the bike route that i saw: 
http://g.co/maps/463ah  Manny & Adam, is this what you're thinking? It's 
super flat, but is it an interesting ride? Now I might have to do that 
Saturday instead!  Maybe even visit RivHQ that morning

geoff
boston, ma


On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:01:09 AM UTC-5, Adam wrote:
>
> I'll be riding up from Pittsburg/Baypoint as well.  Leaving Friday 
> afternoon and camping at Brannan Island.  Riding the rest of the way 
> there on Saturday morning. 
>
> Perhaps we should meet up Manny? 
>
> I'll sport my RBW pin and keep a look out for a friendly face at the 
> show. 
>
> Best, 
> Adam 
>
>

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[RBW] Non-campsite s24o advice

[Alex]

Hi All,

My girlfriend and I did our first s24o in the Marin headlands
(Haypress campsite) last weekend. We both had a blast, but we're both
used to camping in more wilderness-type settings (i.e., no picnic
tables, no portapotties, no numbered spots for tents) and were hoping
that for our next one we could just camp somewhere by ourselves. I
know from admiring the beautiful photos on the RBW website that this
is possible, but I was hoping to get some advice on how tricky it is.
Is it actually illegal to camp in places like Briones, Shell Ridge,
and Mt. Diablo without being in a designated campsite? I haven't found
anything on their websites saying so. Have people ever been roused by
angry park rangers in the middle of the night? Is there some risk of a
huge fine? I've read Grant's description of bike camping on the
website and I was intrigued by his mention of "stealth" being a
requirement. I just wanted to get a sense of how stealthy you need to
be and what happens if you're not stealthy enough.

--Alex

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Re: [RBW] Re: Drop Bar Newbie Qs

[Smitty-A-Go-Go]

I wasn't too keen on any drop bars before a few days ago. The 48 noodles 
were bought on a whim off the list here and sat untouched for several 
weeks. My whole thought process was something like: "Since all my other 
bars are at least this wide maybe wide drop bars would smooth the 
transition to drop bars." It wasn't until I decided I was going to give 
drops an honest try and actually put them on my bike and rode them a little 
that I really gave any more thought to what features/sizes I might actually 
prefer in a drop bar. I'm fine with the 48s for now.  But that's sort of 
like saying I'm fine with Skippy peanut butter before I ever try Adams... 
or any other peanut butter.   

Regarding the 48s I have already noticed that they're not as sporty feeling 
as I initially thought. Perhaps that's just my getting used to them after a 
few miles. I can imagine swapping the 48s out for something narrower... if 
only as an experiment.  When/if I do, I'll surely post about it.

--Smitty
 

On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:50:33 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2012-02-27 at 20:00 -0800, Smitty-A-Go-Go wrote:
> > 
> > Those Grand Bois bars are intriguing. If I were buying bars today,
> > those would be on the short list. I’m going to ride the bars I have
> > for now (48cm Noodles) and get a feel for what my drop bar preferences
> > are.  Perhaps next time I get fidgety the GBs will get ordered.
>
> If you like a 48cm Noodle I can't imagine your liking any Grand Bois
> handlebar.  They are all, even the widest, dramatically narrower than
> that Noodle.  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Grip King Supreme--Version 2.0 is about to be unveiled!

[William]

Alex

I took your email as a complement.  Thanks.  I did not take it as a 
declaration of intent to purchase.  I hope that wasn't a mistake, because 
the seven sets I have are now taken.  If you want a set, I promise I can 
hold a pair from the next batch.  

Bill

On Friday, February 24, 2012 4:02:51 PM UTC-8, Alex Moll wrote:
>
>
> That's a really nice mod, and your price is more than fair. Good work.

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[RBW] Re: Grip King Supreme--Version 2.0 is about to be unveiled!

[Peter Pesce]

Beautiful job.
Those things are awesome, and huge. They are as big as frying pans.
(I guess they'll join eggbeaters and lollipops in the pantheon of 
food-themed pedals!)

-Pete (now disconcertingly self-conscious of my skinny 'Kings)

On Monday, February 27, 2012 11:51:53 PM UTC-5, William wrote:
>
> They are here!  I got the box from my dad from the UPS man today.  I'm 
> super excited how they turned out.  They will all need some rework.  The 
> bolt holes will need to be wowed out for clearance, and ovalized in some 
> cases to line up right.  I will test fit every single pair that I sell and 
> I'll take the ugliest set for myself.  The rest are available.  5 pairs $25 
> shipped.  There will be more.  
>
> There is a tiny radius on the inside corners, so you will need to run a 
> file on each of the four corners of the cage.  You will also need to supply 
> the slightly longer bolts.  I spent a total of about 45 seconds filing, but 
> that helped the fit a bit.  Please check out the set of photos on flickr, 
> and let me know if you want a set.  Three of you already declared that you 
> wanted a set sight unseen, so I'll give right of first refusal to those 
> three brave early adopters (but I will not be supplying EA buttons)
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157629107195978/
>
> On Friday, February 24, 2012 3:42:15 PM UTC-8, William wrote:
>>
>> Hopefully you either ignored or have long forgotten my youtube 
>> documenting a DIY modification for my Grip King pedals
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo0YlOqqISs 
>>
>> Well, based on that, and the fact that neither my Dad nor I am very 
>> efficient with our time, we collaborated to make Version 2.0.  And by 
>> collaborated, I mean I did a sketch and my Dad in his machine shop garage 
>> did all the work.  
>>
>> The Grip King Supreme cage mod is a cage that you'll bolt into your Grip 
>> King Pedals, that will give your feet a lot better lateral support.  See 
>> the video to see what I mean.  The Version 2.0 ones are shaped a lot 
>> better, especially in the middle, there's a milled out relief that still 
>> allows the sole of your shoes to fully engage the nubs on the Grip King 
>> cages.  
>>
>> My Dad is shipping me several sets, and I will be offering them to sell. 
>>  This is a free-time thing that my dad just did for fun.  If we were 
>> charging time and materials, we'd probably have to sell them for $250 a 
>> pair.  Seriously, you should see the press/bender tooling he built for this 
>> project.  Anyhow, I'm not going to just give them away, even though I'm 
>> giving them away.  I might give a set to Rivendell.  So I'll be asking $25 
>> shipped priority mail.  I will post copious pictures and maybe another 
>> youtube when they are actually in my hands.  
>>
>> I think my Dad is sending me 7 pairs.  I'll keep one, and send one to 
>> Rivendell.  I will have 5 more sets available, and am enthusiastic about 
>> making a lot more since my dad worked so hard on the tooling.  Stay tuned.  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Who's going to NAHBS?

[Adam]

I'll be riding up from Pittsburg/Baypoint as well.  Leaving Friday
afternoon and camping at Brannan Island.  Riding the rest of the way
there on Saturday morning.

Perhaps we should meet up Manny?

I'll sport my RBW pin and keep a look out for a friendly face at the
show.

Best,
Adam

On Feb 27, 8:18 pm, Manuel Acosta 
wrote:
> I'll be there. Planning on riding from Pittsburg BART Station around
> 9:30am. Then depending on how I feel I might riding back Sunday or
> check out NAHBS and amtrak back. Feel free to join in on the ride!
>
> On Feb 27, 6:36 pm, Dave Faller  wrote:
>
> > I've always wanted to go to the North American Handmade Bicycle Show, and
> > this year it's in Sacramento, California.  I live in Redding, CA, so it's
> > only a couple hours south of where I am.  I'm registered for Saturday and
> > Sunday, and my buddy from L.A. is flying up to meet me; so, we're going to
> > geek out on all those beautiful bikes for a couple days.
>
> > Anyone else from this collective planning on going?  It might be nice to
> > connect names and faces.  I'm thinking about wearing my little RBW pin so
> > any Rivvers might see it and say "Hey!"
>
> > Dave Faller

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[RBW] Re: Who's going to NAHBS?

[William]

My son and I are registered for Saturday.  There will be drool.  

On Monday, February 27, 2012 6:36:34 PM UTC-8, Dave Faller wrote:
>
> I've always wanted to go to the North American Handmade Bicycle Show, and 
> this year it's in Sacramento, California.  I live in Redding, CA, so it's 
> only a couple hours south of where I am.  I'm registered for Saturday and 
> Sunday, and my buddy from L.A. is flying up to meet me; so, we're going to 
> geek out on all those beautiful bikes for a couple days.
>
> Anyone else from this collective planning on going?  It might be nice to 
> connect names and faces.  I'm thinking about wearing my little RBW pin so 
> any Rivvers might see it and say "Hey!"
>
> Dave Faller
>

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[RBW] Re: Who's going to NAHBS?

[EsCargoCycler]

I'll be there in Booth 833. I'm selling prints and T-shirts using my
ink drawings of bike components. Stop by and chat! I'm looking forward
to meeting y'all FTF.

Jon Grant
Jon Grant Illustration + Information Graphics
Austin, Texas

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[RBW] Re: Grip King Supreme--Version 2.0 is about to be unveiled!

[William]

It looks like all 7 sets of this first batch are claimed by early 
adopters.  I'm delighted to get these pushed out for feedback, and it'll 
tickle my dad at the reception.  If you have not already emailed me, then I 
do not have a set to sell you immediately.  But within a couple weeks we 
should have more, that will be functionally identical, but hopefully will 
not require hand rework by me to get the bolt holes squared away.  If you 
want me to hold a pair from that batch for you, please contact me off 
list.  I won't ask any payment until I can commit to a particular date.  





On Monday, February 27, 2012 8:51:53 PM UTC-8, William wrote:
>
> They are here!  I got the box from my dad from the UPS man today.  I'm 
> super excited how they turned out.  They will all need some rework.  The 
> bolt holes will need to be wowed out for clearance, and ovalized in some 
> cases to line up right.  I will test fit every single pair that I sell and 
> I'll take the ugliest set for myself.  The rest are available.  5 pairs $25 
> shipped.  There will be more.  
>
> There is a tiny radius on the inside corners, so you will need to run a 
> file on each of the four corners of the cage.  You will also need to supply 
> the slightly longer bolts.  I spent a total of about 45 seconds filing, but 
> that helped the fit a bit.  Please check out the set of photos on flickr, 
> and let me know if you want a set.  Three of you already declared that you 
> wanted a set sight unseen, so I'll give right of first refusal to those 
> three brave early adopters (but I will not be supplying EA buttons)
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157629107195978/
>
> On Friday, February 24, 2012 3:42:15 PM UTC-8, William wrote:
>>
>> Hopefully you either ignored or have long forgotten my youtube 
>> documenting a DIY modification for my Grip King pedals
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo0YlOqqISs 
>>
>> Well, based on that, and the fact that neither my Dad nor I am very 
>> efficient with our time, we collaborated to make Version 2.0.  And by 
>> collaborated, I mean I did a sketch and my Dad in his machine shop garage 
>> did all the work.  
>>
>> The Grip King Supreme cage mod is a cage that you'll bolt into your Grip 
>> King Pedals, that will give your feet a lot better lateral support.  See 
>> the video to see what I mean.  The Version 2.0 ones are shaped a lot 
>> better, especially in the middle, there's a milled out relief that still 
>> allows the sole of your shoes to fully engage the nubs on the Grip King 
>> cages.  
>>
>> My Dad is shipping me several sets, and I will be offering them to sell. 
>>  This is a free-time thing that my dad just did for fun.  If we were 
>> charging time and materials, we'd probably have to sell them for $250 a 
>> pair.  Seriously, you should see the press/bender tooling he built for this 
>> project.  Anyhow, I'm not going to just give them away, even though I'm 
>> giving them away.  I might give a set to Rivendell.  So I'll be asking $25 
>> shipped priority mail.  I will post copious pictures and maybe another 
>> youtube when they are actually in my hands.  
>>
>> I think my Dad is sending me 7 pairs.  I'll keep one, and send one to 
>> Rivendell.  I will have 5 more sets available, and am enthusiastic about 
>> making a lot more since my dad worked so hard on the tooling.  Stay tuned.  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grip King Supreme--Version 2.0 is about to be unveiled!

[jimD]

Primo Supermos
cool,
JimD
On Feb 27, 2012, at 8:51 PM, William wrote:

> They are here!  I got the box from my dad from the UPS man today.  I'm super 
> excited how they turned out.  They will all need some rework.  The bolt holes 
> will need to be wowed out for clearance, and ovalized in some cases to line 
> up right.  I will test fit every single pair that I sell and I'll take the 
> ugliest set for myself.  The rest are available.  5 pairs $25 shipped.  There 
> will be more.  
> 
> There is a tiny radius on the inside corners, so you will need to run a file 
> on each of the four corners of the cage.  You will also need to supply the 
> slightly longer bolts.  I spent a total of about 45 seconds filing, but that 
> helped the fit a bit.  Please check out the set of photos on flickr, and let 
> me know if you want a set.  Three of you already declared that you wanted a 
> set sight unseen, so I'll give right of first refusal to those three brave 
> early adopters (but I will not be supplying EA buttons)
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157629107195978/
> 
> On Friday, February 24, 2012 3:42:15 PM UTC-8, William wrote:
> Hopefully you either ignored or have long forgotten my youtube documenting a 
> DIY modification for my Grip King pedals
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo0YlOqqISs 
> 
> Well, based on that, and the fact that neither my Dad nor I am very efficient 
> with our time, we collaborated to make Version 2.0.  And by collaborated, I 
> mean I did a sketch and my Dad in his machine shop garage did all the work.  
> 
> The Grip King Supreme cage mod is a cage that you'll bolt into your Grip King 
> Pedals, that will give your feet a lot better lateral support.  See the video 
> to see what I mean.  The Version 2.0 ones are shaped a lot better, especially 
> in the middle, there's a milled out relief that still allows the sole of your 
> shoes to fully engage the nubs on the Grip King cages.  
> 
> My Dad is shipping me several sets, and I will be offering them to sell.  
> This is a free-time thing that my dad just did for fun.  If we were charging 
> time and materials, we'd probably have to sell them for $250 a pair.  
> Seriously, you should see the press/bender tooling he built for this project. 
>  Anyhow, I'm not going to just give them away, even though I'm giving them 
> away.  I might give a set to Rivendell.  So I'll be asking $25 shipped 
> priority mail.  I will post copious pictures and maybe another youtube when 
> they are actually in my hands.  
> 
> I think my Dad is sending me 7 pairs.  I'll keep one, and send one to 
> Rivendell.  I will have 5 more sets available, and am enthusiastic about 
> making a lot more since my dad worked so hard on the tooling.  Stay tuned.  
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Drop Bar Newbie Qs

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2012-02-27 at 20:00 -0800, Smitty-A-Go-Go wrote:
> 
> Those Grand Bois bars are intriguing. If I were buying bars today,
> those would be on the short list. I’m going to ride the bars I have
> for now (48cm Noodles) and get a feel for what my drop bar preferences
> are.  Perhaps next time I get fidgety the GBs will get ordered.

If you like a 48cm Noodle I can't imagine your liking any Grand Bois
handlebar.  They are all, even the widest, dramatically narrower than
that Noodle.  



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