Re: [RBW] Re: cameras and biking
Except for certain film cameras, wouldn't try it myself. I just sweat way too much on rides. Would probably destroy a modern digital camera in a ride or two. It has sort of forced me to focus on smaller point and shoot digital cameras, which are easier to put in handlebar bags. Eventually should spring for a Leica X1 or Fuji X100 or similar. Just can't warm up to the idea of spending a large sum of money on something that is more a toy to me than a tool. And will probably be obsolete or broken in a year or three. This does remind me, need to get a film camera ready for this weekend's ride. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54ca...@gmail.comwrote: try bandolier style but put it further back. Like too far back. I find with the right riding position there's a sweet spot where the camera is more sitting on my upper back rather than hanging from the strap. It'll comfortably ride there for a long time without moving or getting in the way. Probably doesn't work as well off road. I've contemplated making some sort of handlebar/stem holster for my camera but it hasn't happened yet. If you come up with a solution, would love to see some pics. --Andy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: cameras and biking
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 05:30 -0500, Eric Platt wrote: Except for certain film cameras, wouldn't try it myself. I just sweat way too much on rides. Would probably destroy a modern digital camera in a ride or two. It has sort of forced me to focus on smaller point and shoot digital cameras, which are easier to put in handlebar bags. Eventually should spring for a Leica X1 or Fuji X100 or similar. Just can't warm up to the idea of spending a large sum of money on something that is more a toy to me than a tool. And will probably be obsolete or broken in a year or three. Let me suggest the Panasonic LX-5. Plenty small enough to carry in a handlebar bag, smaller and cheaper than the Leica or Fuji, zoom lens that gives you equivalent focal lengths 24-90mm, plenty of manual control and a lot more than a toy. Excellent image quality for a small sensor camera, too. Take a look at the photos I've been taking with it, most on bike rides: http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916047@N00/sets/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: XTR Rapid Rise RD Chopped Brooks B17
Saddle is sold. XTR rear derailleur is still available. On Monday, May 28, 2012 5:45:07 PM UTC-4, Kris wrote: 1. Shimano XTR Rapid Rise RD-M960 - some scratches, lots of life left in the pulleys, 100% functional - $45 shipped in US http://www.flickr.com/photos/7770282@N04/7289996308/ 2. Brooks B17 'Chopped' - 500 miles w/ 100 after it was chopped, some minor scuffs, and dirt from one trail ride. - $50 shipped in US. http://www.flickr.com/photos/7770282@N04/729268/ Paypal only please. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/5u8IZKupUmcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: rene herse crank
Yeah, they're quieter than Chris Kings--more along the lines of Campy, and they have a very precision-instrument, high-quality ratchet sound. Quite nice. I resisted Boutique hubs for a long time, in favor of good ol' Shimano. But I'd have a hard time not spec'ing WI for my next wheel build. Quite impressed with them. Steve On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: My White Hubs sound noisy in the shop, but on the road, above 15mph the sound is hardly noticeable, and in any case is a white noise kind of hum, not a click or rattle. Michael On Sunday, May 27, 2012 6:34:25 PM UTC-4, GeorgeS wrote: I'm curious about the White Industries hub. Is that the one that is said to be so noisy? What is your experience? GeorgeS New Orleans On May 27, 3:36 am, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: I've been commuting for the past few weeks with one of the new Rene Herse cranks on my AHH. http://www.compasscycle.com/**cranks_bb.htmlhttp://www.compasscycle.com/cranks_bb.html I haven't seen any reviews on this yet, so I figured I would share a few thoughts/opinions with the group. I'm not really a crankoholic, and have mainly ridden wider Q mountain cranks. I mainly wanted to upgrade the bike a bit, and thought a well built crankset would be a nice add. Something that would last as long as the frame, perhaps. I've never had any experience with a narrow tread road bike, and was a bit worried that having a narrow Q would be a problem. So far that has not worked out to be the case. I find it comfortable, and natural. The length of these are 171mm, which is close to what I'm finding to be ideal for me. I tend to lately favor the 170mm cranks I have on another bike over the 175mm I've been using for the past 20 years. The finish and feel of these cranks is indeed very nice, and every bit as good as it has been billed. The chainrings are nice and thick, but elegant. To me, these cranks feel more solid than the others I've used lately including Sugino XD, Suntour XC Pro, and modern Shimano Deore and XT cranks, as well as a Race Face outboard bearing set I have on my mtb. They are very nice to look at, as well, with a highly polished finish, and simple, clean and classy lines that go really well with the Rivendell frame. It was recommended by Jan that I use a 110mm bottom bracket, so I ordered one, but decided to try the cranks with a 107mm that I had on already. They went on easily, and the arms have at least 3-5mm clearance with the chainstays. The chainline is adequate, as well. I got 44/28 rings to go with an 11-32 cassette. This gives me plenty of range for the hilly riding I do in the area. Bottom line - I highly recommend these. Love em! Pics: http://flic.kr/s/aHsjzzumnw Brian Seattle, WA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Td1eB8QICnUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: rene herse crank
It's interesting how people prioritize bike build budget money. Lot's of Riv's proudly roll with fairly low-mid range yet functional parts, Sugino cranks, 105 derailers, Tektro brakes. And I see a lot of Surly's with CK headsets and various high-end bits. Bike Bling.I suppose with a Riv the frame IS the bling. Eh, whatever works! Steve On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Eric Platt epericmpl...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe a race to the bottom bracket. Can understand why folks would pay the premium for a low Q nicely made crankset. Not all of us need low Q, though. Have no problems with Sugino XD2 on a 110 bottom bracket on my Sam Hillborne. But that would have a huge Q factor for many. For my use, it's more comfortable. (Was going to compare it to 650B, but am not going there again.) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Is this a race to the bottom? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Mark's Front Rack, Carradice Nelson
EVERYTHING IS SOLD NOW. On May 27, 10:27 am, Blindrobert roberto.cipri...@gmail.com wrote: Carradice Nelson saddlebag and Bagman Expedition QR support are still available! On May 26, 10:26 am, Blindrobert roberto.cipri...@gmail.com wrote: Marks Front Rack:http://www.flickr.com/photos/blindrobert/7273623618/in/photostream/ This has been sitting around for a while. It should get some use. Includes everything shown in the picture - you will have to supply screws for your braze-ons or P-clamps if you need them. $80 delivered. Carradice Nelson Saddle Bag and Bagman (QR) Expedition support loop:http://www.flickr.com/photos/blindrobert/7273648344/in/photostreamhtt... Y'all probably know what this is: bag was only used a few times and looks like a new bag with a few days of use. Never rained on. Leather straps show only light signs of use. No holes, no tears, no problems. The rack looks even better. Please note that this isn't the Longflap version of the Nelson bag - it has the regular length flap, which is plenty long enough to cover the opening, even when fully loaded. $120 for the set, delivered. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another waste of time DIY project. A $10 handlebar bag
I think the Bubba Box is ready for expanded use and accessorizing... may I offer a few ideas: - Insulated insert (the Bubba Brew Box) for cold beverages - Padded pet insert (the Bubba Beast Box) for your favorite critter - Skins (the My Bubba Box line of colored and patterned overlays) Quit your job, Bill... take the biking world by storm Carpe Diem, amigo... Peace, B (Bobby Bubba-Box Believer Birmingham) On May 30, 7:08 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Ha! Confirmed. I did an SFR 200k permanent on Monday, the Jittery Jaunt. White's hill was on the menu to be sure. On Wednesday, May 30, 2012 3:52:06 PM UTC-7, EastBayGuy wrote: I saw that Bag on Sir Frances Drake Blvd coming down Whites Hill on Monday if I was not mistaken... Dustin G Walnut Creek Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: cameras and biking
A Revelate mountain feed bag carries my camera, usually. I have a Canon G10. On Sunday, May 27, 2012 2:18:35 AM UTC-5, stonehog wrote: I'm curious of those who bring a small SLR or mirrorless camera on trips, have you found a good way to carry it so you have it ready quickly? I've always used a small point shoot kept in a pocket or the small pocket in my acorn boxy rando bag. I'm looking for a way to have a larger camera ready to photograph the scenes I'm biking by on longer rides. I seem to recall Grant talking about some kind of harness a few years back? Brian Seattle, WA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/_bxP-C3hhooJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: rene herse crank
On May 31, 6:03 am, Steven Frederick stl...@gmail.com wrote: It's interesting how people prioritize bike build budget money. Lot's of Riv's proudly roll with fairly low-mid range yet functional parts, Sugino cranks, 105 derailers, Tektro brakes. And I see a lot of Surly's with CK headsets and various high-end bits. Bike Bling. I think a lot depends on how much you ride. 105 parts will be more expensive than Ultegra in the long run, if you ride more than 2000 miles a year. Quality components offer better durability and/or improved performance - for example, a high-end crank with narrower tread (Q factor) and harder-wearing chainrings will be more enjoyable and not much more expensive in the long-run than a cheap Sugino crank with soft chainrings. I learned this early-on. My mid-range Peugeot 10-speed ended up being the most expensive bike I ever owned, per mile. Once I started riding seriously, it needed repairs and replacements almost weekly. When I switched to a custom frame with Campagnolo components, which cost three times as much to buy, my per-mile cost went way down. At the same time, my enjoyment of cycling went way up. It can be a win-win situation, once you get over the sticker shock. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly http://www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: rene herse crank
I agree Jan, but still have a hard time convincing my wife of this fact, Haha. On May 31, 2012 11:48 AM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: On May 31, 6:03 am, Steven Frederick stl...@gmail.com wrote: It's interesting how people prioritize bike build budget money. Lot's of Riv's proudly roll with fairly low-mid range yet functional parts, Sugino cranks, 105 derailers, Tektro brakes. And I see a lot of Surly's with CK headsets and various high-end bits. Bike Bling. I think a lot depends on how much you ride. 105 parts will be more expensive than Ultegra in the long run, if you ride more than 2000 miles a year. Quality components offer better durability and/or improved performance - for example, a high-end crank with narrower tread (Q factor) and harder-wearing chainrings will be more enjoyable and not much more expensive in the long-run than a cheap Sugino crank with soft chainrings. I learned this early-on. My mid-range Peugeot 10-speed ended up being the most expensive bike I ever owned, per mile. Once I started riding seriously, it needed repairs and replacements almost weekly. When I switched to a custom frame with Campagnolo components, which cost three times as much to buy, my per-mile cost went way down. At the same time, my enjoyment of cycling went way up. It can be a win-win situation, once you get over the sticker shock. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly http://www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another waste of time DIY project. A $10 handlebar bag
LMAO. Bobby, be careful encouraging Bubba. He's bad enough without the encouragement. For the somebody who asked. The box weighs 15.9 ounces complete as you see it according to the office postal scale. That's with map case and velcro and the Berthoud decaleur bits, but otherwise empty. On Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:14:08 AM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote: I think the Bubba Box is ready for expanded use and accessorizing... may I offer a few ideas: - Insulated insert (the Bubba Brew Box) for cold beverages - Padded pet insert (the Bubba Beast Box) for your favorite critter - Skins (the My Bubba Box line of colored and patterned overlays) Quit your job, Bill... take the biking world by storm Carpe Diem, amigo... Peace, B (Bobby Bubba-Box Believer Birmingham) On May 30, 7:08 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Ha! Confirmed. I did an SFR 200k permanent on Monday, the Jittery Jaunt. White's hill was on the menu to be sure. On Wednesday, May 30, 2012 3:52:06 PM UTC-7, EastBayGuy wrote: I saw that Bag on Sir Frances Drake Blvd coming down Whites Hill on Monday if I was not mistaken... Dustin G Walnut Creek Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/URaJ2Jpd7VUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: rene herse crank
I have a hard time believing that 105 will wear significantly faster at a cost-affecting rate at ~2K miles/year. Certainly the comparison with the sorts of components on a cheap, '70s or '80s 10 speed is inapt. (At least, the 105 that I am familiar with which is the stuff from 15 or more years ago; has it gotten hugely worse?) Doubtless with the kind of miles that Jan and some others put on -- as a fellow Albuquerquian rider once said to me, Nine thousand miles last year -- it was a bad year -- but for most of us mortals doing 3K miles a year, it's really a non-issue -- especially if you swap out bikes a lot, as many on this list seem to do. I put thousands of miles on Alvits and Simplex Prestige, not to mention P* O* S* components on Indian made roadsters and sure, they needed more upkeep than the Dura Ace I know, but not *that* much more! FWIW, the old-stock Cyclotourist chainrings I use on my Rivs, which I think were pre-modern-hardened alloy, show almost no wear after thousands of miles; granted, little rain; but much dust. That said, I would have no problem justifying a R Herse crankset for a good bike, just for the looks, bling and low Q, not to mention that it's one of the few reasonably priced cranksets that will give you a wide range double with a sub-33 inner. Compared to Dura Ace, high-end SRAM and Campy, they're cheap and they certainly look better. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: I think a lot depends on how much you ride. 105 parts will be more expensive than Ultegra in the long run, if you ride more than 2000 miles a year. Quality components offer better durability and/or improved performance - for example, a high-end crank with narrower tread (Q factor) and harder-wearing chainrings will be more enjoyable and not much more expensive in the long-run than a cheap Sugino crank with soft chainrings. I learned this early-on. My mid-range Peugeot 10-speed ended up being the most expensive bike I ever owned, per mile. Once I started riding seriously, it needed repairs and replacements almost weekly. When I switched to a custom frame with Campagnolo components, which cost three times as much to buy, my per-mile cost went way down. At the same time, my enjoyment of cycling went way up. It can be a win-win situation, once you get over the sticker shock. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly http://www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: rene herse crank
With all due respect, Jan, that is a highly dubious assertion that 105 cranks will cost less per mile than Ultegra cranks. The MSRP difference in the crank is $100 ($360 for Ultegra and $260 for 105), If you assume the chainrings to be the primary wear item, you could buy the 105 crank and spend the extra $100 on some new (supposedly more durable) Ultegra rings to use when the 105 rings wear out. Now we're at the same price, and we've got two sets of chainrings for the less costly crank. That to me sounds like the 105 crank will give more miles for the same dollars. Of course, there's the probability that the cranks themselves could break, but that probability is slim with either model. How to compare two very small probabilities and translate it usefully to dollars/mile? That an old Peugeot was costly to maintain is not too surprising. Those things are money pits. Would an equivalently priced, say, Miyata with Sun Tour parts, of the same vintage, have been less costly to maintain? I think yes, all else being equal, and barring crashes, and other mishaps. I can point at numerous Schwinn Varsities and similar machines that have been abused in many ways by many people for 40 years, and they're still on the road. Arguably, the Varsity is cheap for other reasons, but durability isn't one of them. Anyway, I suspect the dollars to durability correlation to be a weak correlation at best, and impossible to discern in the real world. This is the kind of overly simplistic thing you read in an article in Bicycling that attempts to give first-timers some basic knowledge to buy a first road bike. But even Bicycling doesn't have the audacity to make a definitive claim in terms of dollars per mile. I agree that a crummy bike will be less enjoyable and will need repairs, but 105 parts are far from crummy. On Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:48:49 AM UTC-5, Jan Heine wrote: On May 31, 6:03 am, Steven Frederick stl...@gmail.com wrote: It's interesting how people prioritize bike build budget money. Lot's of Riv's proudly roll with fairly low-mid range yet functional parts, Sugino cranks, 105 derailers, Tektro brakes. And I see a lot of Surly's with CK headsets and various high-end bits. Bike Bling. I think a lot depends on how much you ride. 105 parts will be more expensive than Ultegra in the long run, if you ride more than 2000 miles a year. Quality components offer better durability and/or improved performance - for example, a high-end crank with narrower tread (Q factor) and harder-wearing chainrings will be more enjoyable and not much more expensive in the long-run than a cheap Sugino crank with soft chainrings. I learned this early-on. My mid-range Peugeot 10-speed ended up being the most expensive bike I ever owned, per mile. Once I started riding seriously, it needed repairs and replacements almost weekly. When I switched to a custom frame with Campagnolo components, which cost three times as much to buy, my per-mile cost went way down. At the same time, my enjoyment of cycling went way up. It can be a win-win situation, once you get over the sticker shock. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly http://www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ On Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:48:49 AM UTC-5, Jan Heine wrote: On May 31, 6:03 am, Steven Frederick stl...@gmail.com wrote: It's interesting how people prioritize bike build budget money. Lot's of Riv's proudly roll with fairly low-mid range yet functional parts, Sugino cranks, 105 derailers, Tektro brakes. And I see a lot of Surly's with CK headsets and various high-end bits. Bike Bling. I think a lot depends on how much you ride. 105 parts will be more expensive than Ultegra in the long run, if you ride more than 2000 miles a year. Quality components offer better durability and/or improved performance - for example, a high-end crank with narrower tread (Q factor) and harder-wearing chainrings will be more enjoyable and not much more expensive in the long-run than a cheap Sugino crank with soft chainrings. I learned this early-on. My mid-range Peugeot 10-speed ended up being the most expensive bike I ever owned, per mile. Once I started riding seriously, it needed repairs and replacements almost weekly. When I switched to a custom frame with Campagnolo components, which cost three times as much to buy, my per-mile cost went way down. At the same time, my enjoyment of cycling went way up. It can be a win-win situation, once you get over the sticker shock. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly http://www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ On Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:48:49 AM UTC-5, Jan Heine wrote: On May 31, 6:03 am, Steven Frederick stl...@gmail.com wrote: It's interesting how people prioritize bike build budget money. Lot's of Riv's proudly roll with fairly
Re: [RBW] Re: rene herse crank
For those who are using Sugino cranks: I've been using the Surly steel 110bcd chainrings on my Sugino XD and AT cranksets for a while now, because of the softness issue with the Sugino rings- they just wear out way too fast. Definitely no issues with the steel rings. they are great. I like the gearing flexibility that new RH cranks offer, and agree with previous posters, that the price is still a small part of the cost of a good bike. -Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/K2gm6QWi4JMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: S240 Ride Report- Diablo/TOC 2012
Ha! Thanks for the photos Bill. They look great! On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 4:37:41 PM UTC-7, William wrote: My photos are up. They aren't in a set yet. Here's a couple of turkeys: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/7274165030/in/photostream and here's a couple of turkeys http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/7274162804/in/photostream/ On Saturday, May 19, 2012 8:06:36 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote: One picture to colierate Tommy's first post on the form. Tommy himself riding up Diablo on his new touring bike! http://flic.kr/p/c1uJEd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/HRKu7W9-u7kJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Brooks Swift Black, Thomson Elite 27.2 seatpost
Black Brooks Swift saddle with Chrome rails and copper hammered rivets, very faint signs of use, well-cared for, never wet, has been Proofide treated. Years of life left in it: $120 delivered in the USA. Thomson Elite silver seatpost 27.2 x 250mm, a few light marks BELOW the minimun insertion line, so it will look just about new on your bike. $60 delivered in the USA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: rene herse crank
I use TA chainrings for this exact reason. They last a mighty long time! I'm always a bit hesitant about proprietary parts. Nothing wrong with them at all, but I would invest in an extra set of rings. If they're only available from one source in the whole world, even with good intentions, that source could dry up at some point. And I'd have something to pass on to my heirs! :-) On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:11:38 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote: On May 28, 8:43 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: For me, the proprietary chainrings would be a bigger concern over time. Sort of thing to stock up on IMHO. The old adage of if you find something you really like, buy a life-time supply as they'll quit making it at some point. The new René Herse chainrings are made from 7075 aluminum. They should last much, much longer than most other rings. I used to get about 25-30,000 miles of racing out of Campagnolo chainrings, and these are designed to last as long. We optimized the tooth profile of the small rings for long wear. (The big rings are optimized for easier upshifts.) So a lifetime supply of chainrings may well be one set of rings for many riders. Furthermore, we don't have plans to change designs for the sake of changing, so we'll offer the rings as long as we remain in business, which hopefully will be a long time. In fact, our new rings even fit on classic René Herse cranks made since the 1960s. I suspect it will be much harder to find the special chainrings for Campagnolo compact or Shimano's high-end cranks in a decade or two. And quality 110 mm rings always have been thin on the ground. (Sugino's rings are not quite as soft as butter, but I rarely got more than 5000 miles out of them.) Jan Heine Compass Bicycles Ltd. http://www.compasscycle.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/HzmvzsKV4QsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] 56cm Homer Hilsen for Sale-Orange
Ok, here we go again. I recently worked out a deal to pick up an Atlantis so per my wonderful wife the Homer has to go. I recently picked it up from Chris Jonhson and it is in great condtion. Color is techincally school bus yellow but it is more like creamsicle orange in real life. Looking to sell Frame, Fork and Headset for what I paid, $1100 shipped. No dents, dings or chainsuck, has VO leather chainstay protector I just installed but can be removed easily enough with a hair dryer. Bike has one small scuff in seat tube decal but it doesnt show up in pictures and is very small but thought I should mention it, the rest of the paint is outstanding. I will include the dia-compe center pull brakes but I am keeping the kool stop pads for myself since they are pretty much brand new. I am also looking to sell the wheelset here. 650b Wheels, front is a Rich built synergy with deore hub, rear is Alfine 8 Speed internal with synergy wheel, handbuilt for me at Harris Cyclery. I paid over $800 with the hetres for this setup so was looking to get around $450. Wheels have less than 300 miles on them, hub shifts super smooth, no grinding or anything like that, will include brand new shifter/small parts setup and 57mm VO fenders to buyer. Here are some recent pics of the bike, email me with any questions/concerns. Thanks everyone. http://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: rene herse crank
I do agree that spending the cash up front is better off in the long run, especially if you are putting quite a few miles on the bike. My Roadeo that I am ordering will be using the new RH crankset, I do hope they live up to their hype. I suspect they will. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/8R806QyLnRsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Advice on Camelbacks
I made the mistake of setting out just now with just one 28 oz water bottle (my Joe has only one set of braze ons -- a big regret -- and I forgot the nifty Minoura clamp-on cage mount thingie) and by the halfway point (only 22 m rt) I was wishing I had twice as much water. So, a few questions about Camelbacks or whatever they are called. I've never used one. My main concerns are, (1) do they feel icky (that's a technical term) on your back on a hot day? 2). Do they mold up? How do you clean them to prevent mold? 3) What brand and model do y'all recommend, if any? Gnashbar has several on sale (tho' they're damn'd expensive compared to water bottles). Is the cheapest, at $40, the Camelback Fairfax fer God's sake, 50 oz, decent? Or the (gad) Blowfish 70 oz at $60? I can't see carrying more than half a gallon on my back. Or am I just better off putting a second bottle in my rear pocket? -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Advice on Camelbacks
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:10 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: My main concerns are, (1) do they feel icky (that's a technical term) on your back on a hot day? YMMV but I hated it. 2). Do they mold up? How do you clean them to prevent mold? I didn't have a mold problem but the water coming out of it always tasted foul. Note that this was a Camelback and I've heard some of the other bladders don't impart so much nasty taste. Or am I just better off putting a second bottle in my rear pocket? Handlebar mount cages :) I actually end up throwing extras in the side pockets of my saddlebag since I love my handlebar bag too much to ditch it even for the convenience of handlebar mount waterbottles. -Ken -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Advice on Camelbacks
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:10 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: (1) do they feel icky (that's a technical term) on your back on a hot day? Yes. Okay in cooler weather. 2). Do they mold up? How do you clean them to prevent mold? Yes. Prevention is to take it apart to clean, and to store it in the freezer. 3) What brand and model do y'all recommend, if any? If you just want capacity, I'd recommend bottles of water in a pannier or trunk rack as a better alternative. Horace. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: S240 Ride Report- Diablo/TOC 2012
Beautiful photos; thanks for posting them. California must be the most beautiful state in the contiguous 48. NM is beautiful for its light, sapphire skies and distant vistas, but I have to admit that CA, No or So, beats it. The combination of western vistas (compared to the tiny valleys and hills of New England or the short views of wooded Georgia) and greenery is unbeatable. And I remember the cool, humid summer air around San Francisco -- I guess that you get the same around Walnut Creek? The only thing that NM has in advantage is the unsurpassed quality of the light thanks to the altitude (mean elevation 5,700 feet) and low humidity (20% today: high; yesterday: 4%). West LA looks dim when I visit. Wish I could visit W Creek. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: Ha! Thanks for the photos Bill. They look great! On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 4:37:41 PM UTC-7, William wrote: My photos are up. They aren't in a set yet. Here's a couple of turkeys: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/7274165030/in/photostream and here's a couple of turkeys http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/7274162804/in/photostream/ On Saturday, May 19, 2012 8:06:36 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote: One picture to colierate Tommy's first post on the form. Tommy himself riding up Diablo on his new touring bike! http://flic.kr/p/c1uJEd -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/HRKu7W9-u7kJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 11:47 PM, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote: Oh ! forgot, its a Albatross bar mounted upside down.. Ah... that was my guess, but I was looking and looking wonder what exactly you were trying to show. :-) I actually noticed something... after posting those two pictures I got to looking at them and saw that the bar angle was different on the AHH than it had been on the Schwinn. I rotated the bar (tips down) on a ride the other day and have been much happier and might even rotate a bit more. I do find, though, that I'm sliding forward on the saddle, so reach is still an issue and I may consider something like you've done. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Advice on Camelbacks
Patrick, I use a Camelback MULE on long rides and on day hikes. Just like everything else in life, it is going to have pluses and minuses. The bladder and hose can mold, either store it full or put something inside to hold it open so air flows inside. A cleaning brush helps for the tube, it looks like a flexible bore brush for a rifle. Its going to take some getting used to, its alot of weight on your back and it will definitely add to whatever sweating that you do. I like them, but like I said, only on longer rides. Having 100 ounces of water is nice, I find that I end up drinking more. Also, because I don't enjoy cleaning it out, no sports drinks or anything other than water ever goes in mine. Scott On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:10 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I made the mistake of setting out just now with just one 28 oz water bottle (my Joe has only one set of braze ons -- a big regret -- and I forgot the nifty Minoura clamp-on cage mount thingie) and by the halfway point (only 22 m rt) I was wishing I had twice as much water. So, a few questions about Camelbacks or whatever they are called. I've never used one. My main concerns are, (1) do they feel icky (that's a technical term) on your back on a hot day? 2). Do they mold up? How do you clean them to prevent mold? 3) What brand and model do y'all recommend, if any? Gnashbar has several on sale (tho' they're damn'd expensive compared to water bottles). Is the cheapest, at $40, the Camelback Fairfax fer God's sake, 50 oz, decent? Or the (gad) Blowfish 70 oz at $60? I can't see carrying more than half a gallon on my back. Or am I just better off putting a second bottle in my rear pocket? -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 56cm Homer Hilsen for Sale-Orange
After having passed on this before I can't help but think this is a sign from above that this bike is for me--off to think... Ryan On May 31, 10:04 am, Peter M uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, here we go again. I recently worked out a deal to pick up an Atlantis so per my wonderful wife the Homer has to go. I recently picked it up from Chris Jonhson and it is in great condtion. Color is techincally school bus yellow but it is more like creamsicle orange in real life. Looking to sell Frame, Fork and Headset for what I paid, $1100 shipped. No dents, dings or chainsuck, has VO leather chainstay protector I just installed but can be removed easily enough with a hair dryer. Bike has one small scuff in seat tube decal but it doesnt show up in pictures and is very small but thought I should mention it, the rest of the paint is outstanding. I will include the dia-compe center pull brakes but I am keeping the kool stop pads for myself since they are pretty much brand new. I am also looking to sell the wheelset here. 650b Wheels, front is a Rich built synergy with deore hub, rear is Alfine 8 Speed internal with synergy wheel, handbuilt for me at Harris Cyclery. I paid over $800 with the hetres for this setup so was looking to get around $450. Wheels have less than 300 miles on them, hub shifts super smooth, no grinding or anything like that, will include brand new shifter/small parts setup and 57mm VO fenders to buyer. Here are some recent pics of the bike, email me with any questions/concerns. Thanks everyone. http://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: cameras and biking
I can also recommend the Canon S95 as a small, high-quality digital camera. I like the idea of using the Revelate feed bag - I'll look into that. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:32:22 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: A Revelate mountain feed bag carries my camera, usually. I have a Canon G10. On Sunday, May 27, 2012 2:18:35 AM UTC-5, stonehog wrote: I'm curious of those who bring a small SLR or mirrorless camera on trips, have you found a good way to carry it so you have it ready quickly? I've always used a small point shoot kept in a pocket or the small pocket in my acorn boxy rando bag. I'm looking for a way to have a larger camera ready to photograph the scenes I'm biking by on longer rides. I seem to recall Grant talking about some kind of harness a few years back? Brian Seattle, WA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/pol6ylHpi7QJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Advice on Camelbacks
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:10 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I made the mistake of setting out just now with just one 28 oz water bottle That's a lot of water, but everyone's needs are different. When I lived in dry, hot (though likely not ABQ hot) Missoula, I'd drink half a bottle, do a 17-mile evening loop, and then have the other half on the porch when I got back. I carried the half bottle, but only in case a mechanical or something delayed me. I never much felt like drinking on a short, hard ride like that. I should mention that was a flat course. Didn't mean that as admonishing you for drinking, just thinking back to similar rides. My main concerns are, (1) do they feel icky (that's a technical term) on your back on a hot day? If you start with ice in the bladder, it feels marvelous for the first 10 miles or so. I eventually added some closed cell foam for longer rides so I wasn't heating up my water supply. I used a really light combo: REI Flash 18 pack + 2L (I think, or is it 2.5L?) MSR Cloudliner. It carried well enough that I forgot it after a while. The nice thing is it gets lighter as you drink. 2). Do they mold up? How do you clean them to prevent mold? Mine never did in two years of continuous use. I just rinsed, drained, and hung it up with the cap off. Always tasted better than bike bottle water. Again, that was in a dry climate. I haven't used it much since moving to Oregon. 3) What brand and model do y'all recommend, if any? I liked the combo I had, although to be honest I just grabbed both off the scratch and dent table at REI. The combo is only a pound and the pack is useful for unexpected roadside produce and such. Camelbacks I've handled seemed way overbuilt for road biking to me. Gnashbar has several on sale (tho' they're damn'd expensive compared to water bottles). Is the cheapest, at $40, the Camelback Fairfax fer God's sake, 50 oz, decent? Or the (gad) Blowfish 70 oz at $60? I can't see carrying more than half a gallon on my back. I ended up loving the little Flash pack with and without the bladder. I'd pay full price to replace with the same when mine finally gives out. Or am I just better off putting a second bottle in my rear pocket? Probably, but the bladder is different and kind of fun. It's also come in handy on a couple of bike camping trips when I've wanted to load up on water before a dry stretch to camp. I wouldn't have tried it except for the good deal (think it was $30 total), but now I think they have their place. Still not sure I'd want one for an evening fun road ride, though. Best, joe broach portland, or -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: cameras and biking
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 12:57 -0700, Philip Williamson wrote: I can also recommend the Canon S95 as a small, high-quality digital camera. I like the idea of using the Revelate feed bag - I'll look into that. and its current replacement, the S100. There's a lot to like about cameras of that size and capability, especially as cycling tools. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Advice on Camelbacks
I've have three Camels and had a different brand prior to that. Camelbacks (the term has become ubiquitous for all hydration packs) all have several characteristics that are somewhat independent of one another, yet all demand consideration. How much water do you go through when you ride (and you must consider how you react to heat), and is that really enough? I drink WAY more water using a pack than I do with bottles. That's probably a good thing. and... Is dehydration something you tolerate better that the compromise of putting up with more heat, weight and sweat on your back? Frankly, I use the packs for hiking or mtn biking, but I use bottles on the road bike. You don't feel as hot or sweaty in a more upright position, probably due to either taking it off more frequently (hiking) or less pressure and contact (mtn biking). On a road ride on really hot days (100+) I will often forgo comfort for safety by bucking-up and taking a 100 oz pack with ice cubes and water in it. On a solid ride you will drain it in no time and be very happy you don't start hallucinating from the heat. But maybe that's just me. On cooler, shorter rides bottles are usually fine. Just know what your body needs and will tolerate, then don't deny it. On 5/31/2012 12:10 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: I made the mistake of setting out just now with just one 28 oz water. bottle (my Joe has only one set of braze ons -- a big regret -- and I forgot the nifty Minoura clamp-on cage mount thingie) and by the halfway point (only 22 m rt) I was wishing I had twice as much water. So, a few questions about Camelbacks or whatever they are called. I've never used one. My main concerns are, (1) do they feel icky (that's a technical term) on your back on a hot day? 2). Do they mold up? How do you clean them to prevent mold? 3) What brand and model do y'all recommend, if any? Gnashbar has several on sale (tho' they're damn'd expensive compared to water bottles). Is the cheapest, at $40, the Camelback Fairfax fer God's sake, 50 oz, decent? Or the (gad) Blowfish 70 oz at $60? I can't see carrying more than half a gallon on my back. Or am I just better off putting a second bottle in my rear pocket? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Advice on Camelbacks
On May 31, 2012, at 2:10 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: I made the mistake of setting out just now with just one 28 oz water bottle (my Joe has only one set of braze ons -- a big regret -- and I forgot the nifty Minoura clamp-on cage mount thingie) and by the halfway point (only 22 m rt) I was wishing I had twice as much water. So, a few questions about Camelbacks or whatever they are called. I've never used one. My main concerns are, (1) do they feel icky (that's a technical term) on your back on a hot day? Yes. IMHO, YMMV. 2). Do they mold up? How do you clean them to prevent mold? Yes. Cleaning kits are available which include a disinfectant and a plastic doohickey that goes into the bladder to expand it to air dry. 3) What brand and model do y'all recommend, if any? Gnashbar has several on sale (tho' they're damn'd expensive compared to water bottles). Is the cheapest, at $40, the Camelback Fairfax fer God's sake, 50 oz, decent? Or the (gad) Blowfish 70 oz at $60? I can't see carrying more than half a gallon on my back. Or am I just better off putting a second bottle in my rear pocket? IMHO yes. Or, as I prefer, two water bottles on the bike. Better to have the bike carry a load. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Advice on Camelbacks
I don't have mold problems but only use mine once a month or less and dry it out thoroughly after that use (put a regular bike bottle in it to hold it open, then hang it). I find that I drink significantly more water when I'm wearing one. I also like the Camelbak Mule. Great capacity, but not in the way if you don't need it. An alternative is a Platypus bag http://www.rei.com/product/820769/ you can fill and carry in a regular bike bag/pannier/trunksack/etc.. They have one and two liter models. Folds up to nothing when not in use. On Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:10:26 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: I made the mistake of setting out just now with just one 28 oz water bottle (my Joe has only one set of braze ons -- a big regret -- and I forgot the nifty Minoura clamp-on cage mount thingie) and by the halfway point (only 22 m rt) I was wishing I had twice as much water. So, a few questions about Camelbacks or whatever they are called. I've never used one. My main concerns are, (1) do they feel icky (that's a technical term) on your back on a hot day? 2). Do they mold up? How do you clean them to prevent mold? 3) What brand and model do y'all recommend, if any? Gnashbar has several on sale (tho' they're damn'd expensive compared to water bottles). Is the cheapest, at $40, the Camelback Fairfax fer God's sake, 50 oz, decent? Or the (gad) Blowfish 70 oz at $60? I can't see carrying more than half a gallon on my back. Or am I just better off putting a second bottle in my rear pocket? -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/koYnOZHEDkcJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: cameras and biking
I had the first version, the Panasonic LX-1 I believe. I thought it was an excellent camera for biking and loved the whole layout. Too bad I left it on my bumper when leaving a trailhead one time and just completely destroyed it. I would imagine the LX-5 would be a great substitute. On Thursday, May 31, 2012 5:57:30 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 05:30 -0500, Eric Platt wrote: Except for certain film cameras, wouldn't try it myself. I just sweat way too much on rides. Would probably destroy a modern digital camera in a ride or two. It has sort of forced me to focus on smaller point and shoot digital cameras, which are easier to put in handlebar bags. Eventually should spring for a Leica X1 or Fuji X100 or similar. Just can't warm up to the idea of spending a large sum of money on something that is more a toy to me than a tool. And will probably be obsolete or broken in a year or three. Let me suggest the Panasonic LX-5. Plenty small enough to carry in a handlebar bag, smaller and cheaper than the Leica or Fuji, zoom lens that gives you equivalent focal lengths 24-90mm, plenty of manual control and a lot more than a toy. Excellent image quality for a small sensor camera, too. Take a look at the photos I've been taking with it, most on bike rides: http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916047@N00/sets/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/kwe9ACC0mLEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: rene herse crank
On Sunday, May 27, 2012 12:36:06 AM UTC-7, stonehog wrote: I've been commuting for the past few weeks with one of the new Rene Herse cranks on my AHH. http://www.compasscycle.com/cranks_bb.html I haven't seen any reviews on this yet, so I figured I would share a few thoughts/opinions with the group. I'm not really a crankoholic, and have mainly ridden wider Q mountain cranks. I mainly wanted to upgrade the bike a bit, and thought a well built crankset would be a nice add. Something that would last as long as the frame, perhaps. I've never had any experience with a narrow tread road bike, and was a bit worried that having a narrow Q would be a problem. So far that has not worked out to be the case. I find it comfortable, and natural. The length of these are 171mm, which is close to what I'm finding to be ideal for me. I tend to lately favor the 170mm cranks I have on another bike over the 175mm I've been using for the past 20 years. The finish and feel of these cranks is indeed very nice, and every bit as good as it has been billed. The chainrings are nice and thick, but elegant. To me, these cranks feel more solid than the others I've used lately including Sugino XD, Suntour XC Pro, and modern Shimano Deore and XT cranks, as well as a Race Face outboard bearing set I have on my mtb. They are very nice to look at, as well, with a highly polished finish, and simple, clean and classy lines that go really well with the Rivendell frame. It was recommended by Jan that I use a 110mm bottom bracket, so I ordered one, but decided to try the cranks with a 107mm that I had on already. They went on easily, and the arms have at least 3-5mm clearance with the chainstays. The chainline is adequate, as well. I got 44/28 rings to go with an 11-32 cassette. This gives me plenty of range for the hilly riding I do in the area. Bottom line - I highly recommend these. Love em! Pics: http://flic.kr/s/aHsjzzumnw Brian Seattle, WA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/0elGj9RaHa8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: cameras and biking
I used the Canon 300hs on my last tour. I think it's a great cycling camera for a couple reasons. It's small enough to fit in a shirt pocket or the little pocket on your handlebar bag. It had a tough anodized aluminum finish that makes it easy to grab one-handed while riding. It has a wonderful autofocus and take great photos while riding and also only take 2 second to turn on and take your first photo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/jbuRa3N_l_AJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: cameras and biking
My preference in biking cameras stress ease of use (for instance, can you turn the camera on and use the controls while wearing full-finger gloves) and low cost (in case I drop it and it breaks). At the moment, my biking camera of choice is a Canon SD780. It's reasonably cheap (I found a refurbished camera online for about $100) and the controls are easy to use even with cold-numbed fingers. It also takes great HD video, accessible via a simple switch on the back. I've owned a Canon S90, and while it took great photos I was always hesitant to carry it on the bike for fear of having it hit the pavement. P.S. My Canon SD780 was soaked with rainwater on the first night at last year's PBP, to the point where the rear display basically became useless. However, it kept taking photos, and once I finished the ride and had time to dry it out, the display came back. It's a trouper! --Eric N On May 31, 2012, at 1:53 PM, Kevin Mulcahy kpmulc...@gmail.com wrote: I used the Canon 300hs on my last tour. I think it's a great cycling camera for a couple reasons. It's small enough to fit in a shirt pocket or the little pocket on your handlebar bag. It had a tough anodized aluminum finish that makes it easy to grab one-handed while riding. It has a wonderful autofocus and take great photos while riding and also only take 2 second to turn on and take your first photo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/jbuRa3N_l_AJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: rene herse crank
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 08:48 -0700, Jan Heine wrote: I think a lot depends on how much you ride. 105 parts will be more expensive than Ultegra in the long run, if you ride more than 2000 miles a year. Quality components offer better durability and/or improved performance - for example, a high-end crank with narrower tread (Q factor) and harder-wearing chainrings will be more enjoyable and not much more expensive in the long-run than a cheap Sugino crank with soft chainrings. I'm not convinced Ultegra or Dura Ace derailleurs or brakes last longer than 105. For some components, the extra price brings you a nicer finish and possibly some less weight, but not necessarily greater durability. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of switching handlebars on my AHH
Hi Joe, What I really love about bar end levers is I can activate the brakes anywhere my hands are on the bar very easily, weather I'm back or forward on the bars, something I could never do with a standard lever. I can use them with just my pinkie if needed. I have no desire to ever use standard mtb levers again ! The standard levers more/less limit you into one way to use them .. while these offer more leeway. I think the only reason more people don't use it is they get used to the standard way or they prefer bar-end shifters. --- On Saturday, May 26, 2012 11:47:06 PM UTC-4, joe b. wrote: On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 7:00 PM, wrote: I thought of the Bosco bars for a minute, until I realised they had zero forward reach, unlike the Albatross. I use bar end brake levers and thumb shifters so I get TONS of room for my hands to move around. How do the reverse brake levers work for you, especially off pavement? Neat setup. For quite a while, I ran bar end shifters with MTB levers out on the front curve. I really loved all the room to roam but missed being able to brake with my weight back. Best, joe broach portland, or -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Q1nvXTlnheMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Hillborne show bike
I run 40mm tires (Kenda Kwick Roller EZ Ride) under 52mm VO Zeppelin fenders on a 56cm Sam. Plenty of room under the fenders. Gernot On May 30, 11:46 am, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54ca...@gmail.com wrote: If you want to ruffle the feathers of fashion and get some awesome short-ish pants in the deal, try the MUSA Knickers. Would love to see pics of the diamond/harlequin wrapped bar when you do it. I've been thinking to try it but haven't gotten around to it. FWIW... I had to up-size my fenders (to 50mm... I think) to get adequate clearance under my Supremes. --Andy On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:27:45 PM UTC-7, charlie wrote: Just acquired some lime green cloth bar tape which I hope to weave into a diamond pattern (along with blue tape) on the new green Hillborne's mustache bars. Ordered a set of 700x35 creme colored tires since I tried my Schwalbe Supremes (38mm actual) and they wouldn't fit under fenders with enough clearance to suit me. I'm hoping to ride this in an up and coming 'family style' ride put on by the county park department in my area. I'm also enjoying my new MUSA shorts and blue suspenders (nothing like plumbers crack to spoil a fellow riders view) The fit is nice and I plan to buy another pair along with some long pants now that I know they fit. Not sure if the Creme tires are long lasting (UV / rubber wise) but I've seen a few bicycles fitted with them and they look kind of vintage. Its a groovin bicycle and I'm glad I purchased it. If any of you are on the fence regarding the purchase of a Hillborne it is a fine riding bicycle. Not a tank and not a flyweight just a solid ride that handles predictably. When price is a consideration, I don't think you could purchase a nicer riding Rivendell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Advice on Camelbacks
I've been using various Camelbaks for my randonneur and century rides for more than a decade, year-round. I like not running out of water and not having to drink from bottles, especially during rainy and very hot rides. I add ice if the temperature is over 90 degrees and always use a tube insulator. The cold water really helps in hot conditions and can last for two hours or more. In winter, the water does not freeze if I tuck the tube into my jacket. My favorites have been the light-duty 70-oz. models. Currently I'm using the Rogue. If it has a waist strap, it's probably too big. I only use water and save sports drinks for my bottles. Draining the bladder and wiping out with a small towel, and removing the mouthpiece, keeps the mold away. You'll know soon enough if you don't like the feel on your back. I never notice it. The nicer Camelbaks have ventilated backs if you want more airflow. If in doubt, buy from REI and take advantage of their return policy. Ed On May 31, 3:10 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I made the mistake of setting out just now with just one 28 oz water bottle (my Joe has only one set of braze ons -- a big regret -- and I forgot the nifty Minoura clamp-on cage mount thingie) and by the halfway point (only 22 m rt) I was wishing I had twice as much water. So, a few questions about Camelbacks or whatever they are called. I've never used one. My main concerns are, (1) do they feel icky (that's a technical term) on your back on a hot day? 2). Do they mold up? How do you clean them to prevent mold? 3) What brand and model do y'all recommend, if any? Gnashbar has several on sale (tho' they're damn'd expensive compared to water bottles). Is the cheapest, at $40, the Camelback Fairfax fer God's sake, 50 oz, decent? Or the (gad) Blowfish 70 oz at $60? I can't see carrying more than half a gallon on my back. Or am I just better off putting a second bottle in my rear pocket? -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRWhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Advice on Camelbacks
I just don't like things on my back. I have a camelback I've used on the mountain bike. On the other bikes I just put an extra bottle in the seat bag. If it's really hot I can add two or three. I just stop and switch out bottles. Kelly On Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:10:26 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: I made the mistake of setting out just now with just one 28 oz water bottle (my Joe has only one set of braze ons -- a big regret -- and I forgot the nifty Minoura clamp-on cage mount thingie) and by the halfway point (only 22 m rt) I was wishing I had twice as much water. So, a few questions about Camelbacks or whatever they are called. I've never used one. My main concerns are, (1) do they feel icky (that's a technical term) on your back on a hot day? 2). Do they mold up? How do you clean them to prevent mold? 3) What brand and model do y'all recommend, if any? Gnashbar has several on sale (tho' they're damn'd expensive compared to water bottles). Is the cheapest, at $40, the Camelback Fairfax fer God's sake, 50 oz, decent? Or the (gad) Blowfish 70 oz at $60? I can't see carrying more than half a gallon on my back. Or am I just better off putting a second bottle in my rear pocket? -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Pv8oTPg6YW0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: cameras and biking
I believe what the OP is looking for is something like this: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/39643-REG/OP_TECH_USA_5301002_Stabilizer_Strap.html Assuming sweating is no issue, this chest stabilizer would improve on just using the camera strapped as a sling. For situations where one wouldn't want to hold the camera on one's body, then some sort of quick-release/handlebar clamp solution could be considered for quick access to the camera, or even taking photos/videos while riding. Some combination of parts/providers may be needed. René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: rene herse crank
On May 31, 9:46 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: With all due respect, Jan, that is a highly dubious assertion that 105 cranks will cost less per mile than Ultegra cranks. Sorry I wasn't clear - I was NOT referring to the cranks in particular, but the 105 components in general. It appears that especially the lower-grade brake-shift-levers wear out with alarming frequency. Hub bearings are another issue where extra money spent usually is well-spent. I agree with you that more money doesn't always buy you better quality, but in the bicycle world, the correlation still holds to a large degree. Better designs, better bearings, better seals, higher- grade materials all bring more longevity. Just as an example, after having gone through two sets of Shimano PD- A520 pedals in four years, I hope that the new Ultegra-level PD-A600 pedals will last a lot longer, and be less expensive per mile, not counting the aggravation of having to replace parts on my bike. It is true, however, that for many parts, extra money doesn't buy you better performance or durability. Just to quote a simple example, inexpensive seatposts may be ugly, but most work just fine. I also suspect that 105 brakes will stop as well as more expensive ones (assuming they use similar pads), and last as long. And of course, the ultimate in bargain basement parts, the old Mafac Racers, in fact are great brakes, especially if you equip them with modern pads. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly http://www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: rene herse crank
Jan, It was my impression that 105 would actually out last ultra and dura-ace. It was heavier and was the best choice for touring bikes and such. The advantages of the Dura-Ace was weight and shifting ramps .. especially for the sprinters. For everyday riding the heavier gage material was stouter and lasted longer. My impression only no facts to back it up. I did just retire a tour bike to loaner status that has been on the road for me since 2002 and still on the same group. (105) Just because it's better for racing and cost more doesn't mean it's better or will last longer.. shimano anyway. My opinion only.. Kelly On Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:04:50 AM UTC-5, Peter M wrote: I agree Jan, but still have a hard time convincing my wife of this fact, Haha. On May 31, 2012 11:48 AM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: On May 31, 6:03 am, Steven Frederick stl...@gmail.com wrote: It's interesting how people prioritize bike build budget money. Lot's of Riv's proudly roll with fairly low-mid range yet functional parts, Sugino cranks, 105 derailers, Tektro brakes. And I see a lot of Surly's with CK headsets and various high-end bits. Bike Bling. I think a lot depends on how much you ride. 105 parts will be more expensive than Ultegra in the long run, if you ride more than 2000 miles a year. Quality components offer better durability and/or improved performance - for example, a high-end crank with narrower tread (Q factor) and harder-wearing chainrings will be more enjoyable and not much more expensive in the long-run than a cheap Sugino crank with soft chainrings. I learned this early-on. My mid-range Peugeot 10-speed ended up being the most expensive bike I ever owned, per mile. Once I started riding seriously, it needed repairs and replacements almost weekly. When I switched to a custom frame with Campagnolo components, which cost three times as much to buy, my per-mile cost went way down. At the same time, my enjoyment of cycling went way up. It can be a win-win situation, once you get over the sticker shock. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly http://www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/g-rtyol2KqQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Advice on Camelbacks
I used to use one, but they did a very fine job of putting my shoulders into spasms. I miss the easily available water, but I've adapted. Lynne F On May 31, 2:54 pm, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: I just don't like things on my back. I have a camelback I've used on the mountain bike. On the other bikes I just put an extra bottle in the seat bag. If it's really hot I can add two or three. I just stop and switch out bottles. Kelly On Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:10:26 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: I made the mistake of setting out just now with just one 28 oz water bottle (my Joe has only one set of braze ons -- a big regret -- and I forgot the nifty Minoura clamp-on cage mount thingie) and by the halfway point (only 22 m rt) I was wishing I had twice as much water. So, a few questions about Camelbacks or whatever they are called. I've never used one. My main concerns are, (1) do they feel icky (that's a technical term) on your back on a hot day? 2). Do they mold up? How do you clean them to prevent mold? 3) What brand and model do y'all recommend, if any? Gnashbar has several on sale (tho' they're damn'd expensive compared to water bottles). Is the cheapest, at $40, the Camelback Fairfax fer God's sake, 50 oz, decent? Or the (gad) Blowfish 70 oz at $60? I can't see carrying more than half a gallon on my back. Or am I just better off putting a second bottle in my rear pocket? -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: cameras and biking
I almost went with an LX5/S100, but got a GF3 with a pancake lens so I could get on the replaceable lens format while still keeping the body very small. There was a killer deal on it a few weeks back, so I took the plunge. So far, it seems to be nearly as easy to use while riding as my old Elph. Just need to nail a good harness... On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 12:57 -0700, Philip Williamson wrote: I can also recommend the Canon S95 as a small, high-quality digital camera. I like the idea of using the Revelate feed bag - I'll look into that. and its current replacement, the S100. There's a lot to like about cameras of that size and capability, especially as cycling tools. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: cameras and biking
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 17:18 -0700, Brian Hanson wrote: I almost went with an LX5/S100, but got a GF3 with a pancake lens so I could get on the replaceable lens format while still keeping the body very small. There was a killer deal on it a few weeks back, so I took the plunge. So far, it seems to be nearly as easy to use while riding as my old Elph. Just need to nail a good harness... But that leaves you with just the one focal length (or needing to carry multiple lenses to get multiple focal lengths). That might not be much of a big deal for ordinary photography, but when you're taking photos on a bike ride you often don't have the time to get off the bike and walk around to get close enough. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on Camelbacks
After years of resisting the idea of a back pack, I bought a Kelty last year on sale at Academy Sport for $29.99 w/70 oz bladder. It has a screw on cap like a Camelbak. A local buddy gave me an extra US Army issue Camelbak bladder with insulated drink tube, and I bought a Hydra-sak bladder on sale at Blue Sky Cycling. I found that the weight on my back is no big deal. In Summer, it shields from direct Sun. I wash it with the rest of my cycling clothes. The added space in the pack is nice for a rain jacket, cell phone, food, etc that I may not want to carry elsewhere, or have bag space for. The Hydra-sak is my favorite. It has a fold and slide closure, which is easy to operate when you are beat up from long hours on a hard ride. It disassembles easier and cleans up well. Plain water or no calorie Propel/Power Options are what I put in it, and I rinse it out after each use. You can buy cleaning solutions, but (shh. Don't tell) some diluted bleach works wonders. Rinse well after of course. They look dorky though. No escaping that. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Lynne Fitz fitzb...@comcast.net wrote: I used to use one, but they did a very fine job of putting my shoulders into spasms. I miss the easily available water, but I've adapted. Lynne F On May 31, 2:54 pm, Kelly tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: I just don't like things on my back. I have a camelback I've used on the mountain bike. On the other bikes I just put an extra bottle in the seat bag. If it's really hot I can add two or three. I just stop and switch out bottles. Kelly On Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:10:26 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: I made the mistake of setting out just now with just one 28 oz water bottle (my Joe has only one set of braze ons -- a big regret -- and I forgot the nifty Minoura clamp-on cage mount thingie) and by the halfway point (only 22 m rt) I was wishing I had twice as much water. So, a few questions about Camelbacks or whatever they are called. I've never used one. My main concerns are, (1) do they feel icky (that's a technical term) on your back on a hot day? 2). Do they mold up? How do you clean them to prevent mold? 3) What brand and model do y'all recommend, if any? Gnashbar has several on sale (tho' they're damn'd expensive compared to water bottles). Is the cheapest, at $40, the Camelback Fairfax fer God's sake, 50 oz, decent? Or the (gad) Blowfish 70 oz at $60? I can't see carrying more than half a gallon on my back. Or am I just better off putting a second bottle in my rear pocket? -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: cameras and biking
True, but I'm used to zooms, and it was time to start working with primes (for me). I'll suffer through it - probably end up with a zoom soon :) On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 17:18 -0700, Brian Hanson wrote: I almost went with an LX5/S100, but got a GF3 with a pancake lens so I could get on the replaceable lens format while still keeping the body very small. There was a killer deal on it a few weeks back, so I took the plunge. So far, it seems to be nearly as easy to use while riding as my old Elph. Just need to nail a good harness... But that leaves you with just the one focal length (or needing to carry multiple lenses to get multiple focal lengths). That might not be much of a big deal for ordinary photography, but when you're taking photos on a bike ride you often don't have the time to get off the bike and walk around to get close enough. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Advice on Camelbacks
A couple of years ago I bought a camel back for my wife, because she was uncomfortable reaching for a wb. On our first ride with it we stopped for lunch at a small cafe, which had a large cooler of what turned out to be the foulest water imaginable. It took a lot of baking soda and airing to get the smell out. Even though we succeeded my wife has never been willing to use it again. However, I use it on the tandem because she gets nervous when I let go of the HBs. I would suggest a second WB, even if it required drilling threads into the DT. Bottoms up laddie, Michael On Thursday, May 31, 2012 3:10:26 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: I made the mistake of setting out just now with just one 28 oz water bottle (my Joe has only one set of braze ons -- a big regret -- and I forgot the nifty Minoura clamp-on cage mount thingie) and by the halfway point (only 22 m rt) I was wishing I had twice as much water. So, a few questions about Camelbacks or whatever they are called. I've never used one. My main concerns are, (1) do they feel icky (that's a technical term) on your back on a hot day? 2). Do they mold up? How do you clean them to prevent mold? 3) What brand and model do y'all recommend, if any? Gnashbar has several on sale (tho' they're damn'd expensive compared to water bottles). Is the cheapest, at $40, the Camelback Fairfax fer God's sake, 50 oz, decent? Or the (gad) Blowfish 70 oz at $60? I can't see carrying more than half a gallon on my back. Or am I just better off putting a second bottle in my rear pocket? -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cMWnXK4ykCgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: rene herse crank
I have noticed that a lot of people swap frames out with great rapidity. Over the course of my life I have not done this and so my current collection of frames, all purchased new include, an '84 Trek, an 88 Marinoni, a 99 Surly, a 2004 Rambouilet,a 2008 Ebisu, and a 2009 Bilenky Tandem. My wife rides an '84 Specialized Sequoia, purchased used, and my daughter is still riding the '85 Bianchi I purchased new for her brother. Not having swapped frames around has allowed us to continually upgrade the wheels and components. I have easily been able to add PW BB, White Hubs cranks, Paul's brakes, Cane Creek levers, Alpina White cranks and Nitto bling. No regrets about buying the best components I could get. I just may go for the Rene Herse Cranks on the Trek, just because I don't like the looks or that awful hidden bolt on the Sugino. At m my age a 44/34/24 is starting to have some appeal! Michael On Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:05:12 PM UTC-4, Kelly wrote: Jan, It was my impression that 105 would actually out last ultra and dura-ace. It was heavier and was the best choice for touring bikes and such. The advantages of the Dura-Ace was weight and shifting ramps .. especially for the sprinters. For everyday riding the heavier gage material was stouter and lasted longer. My impression only no facts to back it up. I did just retire a tour bike to loaner status that has been on the road for me since 2002 and still on the same group. (105) Just because it's better for racing and cost more doesn't mean it's better or will last longer.. shimano anyway. My opinion only.. Kelly On Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:04:50 AM UTC-5, Peter M wrote: I agree Jan, but still have a hard time convincing my wife of this fact, Haha. On May 31, 2012 11:48 AM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: On May 31, 6:03 am, Steven Frederick stl...@gmail.com wrote: It's interesting how people prioritize bike build budget money. Lot's of Riv's proudly roll with fairly low-mid range yet functional parts, Sugino cranks, 105 derailers, Tektro brakes. And I see a lot of Surly's with CK headsets and various high-end bits. Bike Bling. I think a lot depends on how much you ride. 105 parts will be more expensive than Ultegra in the long run, if you ride more than 2000 miles a year. Quality components offer better durability and/or improved performance - for example, a high-end crank with narrower tread (Q factor) and harder-wearing chainrings will be more enjoyable and not much more expensive in the long-run than a cheap Sugino crank with soft chainrings. I learned this early-on. My mid-range Peugeot 10-speed ended up being the most expensive bike I ever owned, per mile. Once I started riding seriously, it needed repairs and replacements almost weekly. When I switched to a custom frame with Campagnolo components, which cost three times as much to buy, my per-mile cost went way down. At the same time, my enjoyment of cycling went way up. It can be a win-win situation, once you get over the sticker shock. Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly http://www.bikequarterly.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/KhrgMgFLK-IJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: rene herse crank
White makes wonderful stuff. If you absolutely need to have whisper quiet high end hubs, check out Royce. Not sure what they do differently than White, King or Phil, but their hubs are very quiet and roll very smooth. Royce are pricey little devils though. As far as I know, the only way to get them is to go to one of the high end UK on line shops. Yeah, they're quieter than Chris Kings--more along the lines of Campy, and they have a very precision-instrument, high-quality ratchet sound. Quite nice. I resisted Boutique hubs for a long time, in favor of good ol' Shimano. But I'd have a hard time not spec'ing WI for my next wheel build. Quite impressed with them. Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/XDm3P4A7vmsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: rene herse crank
On Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:57:38 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: White makes wonderful stuff. If you absolutely need to have whisper quiet high end hubs, check out Royce. Not sure what they do differently than White, King or Phil, but their hubs are very quiet and roll very smooth. If you want quiet, smooth and cheap hubs get Shimano. I have two pair of DA hub wheels and they are so smooth and quiet. I have friends with ultegra hubs and they're quiet too. Compare to alot of boutique hubs, these are the best. Royce are pricey little devils though. As far as I know, the only way to get them is to go to one of the high end UK on line shops. At Total Cycling, Royce rear hub sells for about $255. Still cheaper than say CK and a bit less than a White Ind.hub. Good luck! Yeah, they're quieter than Chris Kings--more along the lines of Campy, and they have a very precision-instrument, high-quality ratchet sound. Quite nice. I resisted Boutique hubs for a long time, in favor of good ol' Shimano. But I'd have a hard time not spec'ing WI for my next wheel build. Quite impressed with them. Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ToiLMEgs9IkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Grant/Harris book signing June 1 (time?)
i thought the original posting said from 5-6pm but the Harris blog mentions 6-7pm. can someone confirm the correct time of the book signing? mike goldman warwick,r.i. 5 Diet Pills that Work 2012#39;s Top 5 Weight Loss Pills. Updated Consumer Ratings. Free Report. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4fc8289fc51d32263942st06duc -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 56cm Homer Hilsen for Sale-Orange
Hey, there's ol' faithful! Peter, I'm sorry to hear that it didn't solve your fit concerns. Hopefully, someone in this group can give it a good home and post the the occasional photo so I can remember the good times. I submitted multiple bikoo entries for Grant's contest about this frameset. Here's a just couple... out of winter’s fog into the sun he surges Homer’s pilot soars and over windblown heights through spooky shady valleys Homer never fails I'm guessing the judges are still trying to decide which of these two is the winner. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/yIo7D6x7zHgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bosco bars have arrived...
The Bosco has arrived (non-'moose)! Tomorrow I build it up and incorporate it into the cockpit rotation. Wood grips, stem shifters, love levers, nekkid bar (for now; probably shellacked Newbaum's later). Pictures will come forth. Yours, Thomas Lynn Skean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Tvsx-vw_5V8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Cleaning Rims?
'twas indeed embedded metal, there was a ton of it. i have no idea how that happened, brake pads are like three weeks old. On Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:11:14 PM UTC-4, Zack wrote: Any protips for cleaning rims? i have seen people talk about using super light grade sandpaper, simplegreen, rubbing alcohol, soap and water, etc. what do you guys do to clean up your rims? I currently have some dirty rims, and i can hear the dirt on the front wheel when i am braking, so i am pretty sure i need to clean the pads and the rim up, wondering what is best method to do it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/nxzviIbDGQwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Advice on Camelbacks
I use one for my mountain bike riding, which is an upright position, and it's the most convenient way to carry enough water for a long wilderness ride. For a road biking position, however, I don't find the pack comfortable; it becomes much more obvious when I'm bent over more. I'd say just carry another bottle, especially if you have a clamp on cage already. jim m wc ca On Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:10:26 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: I made the mistake of setting out just now with just one 28 oz water bottle (my Joe has only one set of braze ons -- a big regret -- and I forgot the nifty Minoura clamp-on cage mount thingie) and by the halfway point (only 22 m rt) I was wishing I had twice as much water. So, a few questions about Camelbacks or whatever they are called. I've never used one. My main concerns are, (1) do they feel icky (that's a technical term) on your back on a hot day? 2). Do they mold up? How do you clean them to prevent mold? 3) What brand and model do y'all recommend, if any? Gnashbar has several on sale (tho' they're damn'd expensive compared to water bottles). Is the cheapest, at $40, the Camelback Fairfax fer God's sake, 50 oz, decent? Or the (gad) Blowfish 70 oz at $60? I can't see carrying more than half a gallon on my back. Or am I just better off putting a second bottle in my rear pocket? -- Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you. Flannery O'Connor - Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/_PAiYQe-G28J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: S240 Ride Report- Diablo/TOC 2012
On Thursday, May 31, 2012 12:18:49 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: And I remember the cool, humid summer air around San Francisco -- I guess that you get the same around Walnut Creek? Ha! It was 90 today in the Creek, and dry, though not as dry as New Mexico. We were probably 25 degrees warmer than SF. It's a very different climate here, but I agree about the beauty. Here and New Mexico are my 2 favorite places. jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/noZxVVQ0fYAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bosco Rubbe Nubar on my Hunqapillar... first test
Tested the Bosco bars on the dirt today and my previous assessment was proven correct. Perfectly comfortable, great maneuverability, no issues climbing or descending. Great handling on singletrack. I came home with no hand, neck or shoulder pain at all. Ordered a second set today to test on the Betty or the Atlantis so will be putting a slightly used set of regular 150mm Bullmoose bars for sale shortly. Verdict: possibly the best bars for me. René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 56cm Homer Hilsen for Sale-Orange
Chris, I got alot of compliments out riding already, people love the color, but no offers yet which is a bit surprising. I need to sell somewhat fast or my wife will pretty much kill me so how about $1050 shipped and I will include the Kool stop pads? Just looking to make room for new to me Atlantis but it is almost time to pay for summer camp so pressure is on me to sell fast. Thanks all. Peter On May 31, 2012 10:45 PM, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, there's ol' faithful! Peter, I'm sorry to hear that it didn't solve your fit concerns. Hopefully, someone in this group can give it a good home and post the the occasional photo so I can remember the good times. I submitted multiple bikoo entries for Grant's contest about this frameset. Here's a just couple... out of winter’s fog into the sun he surges Homer’s pilot soars and over windblown heights through spooky shady valleys Homer never fails I'm guessing the judges are still trying to decide which of these two is the winner. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/yIo7D6x7zHgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] WTB 170mm Cranks triple 110/74 bcd
Hey group, just wondering if anyone has a set of older cranks( with or without chainrings) for sale.Looking for 170mm arm, triple with 5 bolt 110/74 bcd, older MTB/touring, maybe forged Condition is not important so long as they are funtional. looking to spen 40ish including shipping.thanks in advance!-Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
