Re: [RBW] Drop Bar Suggestions?

[Michael_S]

this online shop  http://store.biketouringnews.com/drop-handlebars/   
carries both Nitto dirt drop models. I picked up a 48cm RM013 but have not 
used it. The hood position is slightly narrower than a 46cm Noodle. 

I also have an Origin8 gary II bar that seems to be a 
good  in-between choice looking at the fit of both the RM013 and the Noodle 
bar... but black only too.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.

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Re: [RBW] Grant at College Park Bikes - DC metro area

[Philip Williamson]

I favor a muster of Rivendell, myself.

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Friday, September 28, 2012 9:05:52 AM UTC-7, Jeff wrote:

 College Park Bikes has posted some pics of the gathering last night:

 http://www.bike123.com/Grant%20Peterson%20slide%20show/

 only of the discussion, none of your beautiful bikes pictured - it was 
 nice to see the a good collection of Riv's together out in the wild though

 Is there a proper term for a collection of Riv's out in the wild? Gaggle? 
 Flock? Clutch? Herd? Drove? Litter? Swarm? School? Cast? Skein? Muster? 
 Colony? Team? Troop? Pod? Bevy? Horde?


 On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:26 AM, islaysteve alki...@verizon.netjavascript:
  wrote:

 Thanks for sharing Proteus as well as CPC.  When I first moved to this 
 area 30+ years ago I had an old Mercier with tubulars.  Proteus had 
 affordable Clement tubulars and I would make the trip up there to buy 
 them.  Steve


 On Wednesday, September 12, 2012 7:10:37 PM UTC-4, Marty wrote:

 There's an outside chance I'll be there, but if not, here's a preview - 
 and a bonus. There are* two* great shops in College Park, not far from 
 each other. College Park Cycles is maybe the biggest and best, but Proteus 
 Bicycles is worth a stop too. Larry Black is THE guy at CPC, would give 
 Sheldon a run for his money in the deep knowledge department, but you have 
 to literally nail him down to get a word in with him. Busy guy. - probably 
 has sold more lugged steel bikes, tandems, triples, quads and recumbents 
 than everyone else put together. I've sold him a number of bikes from my 
 own stable over the years, mostly old Paramounts. Always a fair deal. If 
 you need Honjos, he has 'em. Nitto? No problem. Tubus? You want black or 
 silver? That left side saddle support from an old Campy NR post? You want 
 NOS or used? Hmmm...maybe a never-built up  Trek 720 frameset? Don't bump 
 your head on it! You get the idea. 


 Anyway, here's a sneak-peek at what you'll see hanging in the rafters 
 there, and at Proteus if you get a chance to stop in. Like I said, both are 
 worth a visit:

  *http://tinyurl.com/98e96cv*
 *
 *
 Hope to see some of you there! Bring money...something hanging in there 
 has your name on it. 
 *
 *
 Marty

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[RBW] Re: Wondering about Avocet Fastgrips 559X1.25

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Patrick,

No mistake this time - 15 for the rigid, 25 for folding.
http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/schwalbe-kojak-hs385-rigid-tyre-26-inch-%28559%29-prod25554/
http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/schwalbe-kojak-hs385-raceguard-folding-tyre-26-inch-%28559%29-prod26334/

It's often less expensive to buy European goods directly than pay the
US importer's markup. And you get VAT deducted. Carradice in
particular, UK prices for new kit are often less than used in the US,
including shipping.

Jay



On Oct 1, 12:38 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Uh oh: you prolly meant 25 quid for the WIRE bead, no? Still 









 On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 2:25 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
  Thanks again -- that's a damn' good price for Kevlar bead. Will keep that
  in mind, tho' I hope Schwalbe will give me a pair for free in warranty.

  And SJS have the Nelson Longflap for 50 quid -- $80

  On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.comwrote:

  Yeah. Thinking about it again I got the math all wrong. 25 quid X 1.6
  is about 40 US, not 50, for the kevlar bead. Add shipping and subtract
  VAT.

  On Sep 29, 10:25 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
   Thanks, Jay. IIRC the wires go for about the same in the US, tho' I
  gather
   there may be availability issues. $50 US for the folding tho; is $5 to
  $10
   less than most here.

   Let's see what the distributor does or does not do ... and I've still
  got a
   pair on the Fargo.

   On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com
  wrote:

Patrick,

I often find that the UK websites have good prices on tires. I checked
SJS for you and they have Kojaks for 25 quid, about 35 US. Folding
bead were about 50 US. I don't remember how much they get for
shipping, but they vat dedction would offset part of it and it may be
free if you order enough.
Happy shopping and happy rolling.

Jay

On Sep 29, 5:13 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Michael: thanks for this. I know the Cross II or at least the model
  that
 preceded it some 10 years ago and found it a good all rounder tire,
  but
for
 this bike I want a large (ish -- my definition of large is not
 everybody's), supple, light road tire and the Kojak is ideal (just
measured
 and the Compass 26X1.75 is too tall for my Riv).

 Alas, I've long since given or traded away the back issues of BQ
  that
 discussed tire rolling resistance -- does anyone know how the
  Fastgrip
 performed?

 The Kojak is really a wonderful tire; if it were not a $ issue I'd
  just
go
 out an buy another pair. Meanwhile, I'm waiting to hear back from
  the NA
 distributor for Schwalbe.

 On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 5:19 AM, Michael Hechmer 
  mhech...@gmail.com
wrote:
  Patrick, if memory serves me right, The 700C fastgrip was part of
  Jan
  Hein's first roll out experiment.  You might look into that.  I
  ran the
  Avocet 700c x 38 Cross II for commuting and still use them off
  road.
They
  are the biggest, heaviest tire I use on a single and I like them
because
   they roll pretty well, offer excellent wet and dirt road
  traction and
have
  never punctured.  For a 26 tire we tour with the Marathon Racer
  on the
  tandem.  Mostly dirt roads.  I have found them to be a good ride
  on a
bike
  that approaches 400 lbs, or well over while touring.

  Michael

  On Friday, September 28, 2012 4:39:13 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore
  wrote:

  The very nice rolling Kojaks that I bought from a listmember have
faulty
  (wire) beads that keep popping out and puncturing the tubes --
  odd,
after
  cutting off some 6 from the rear in two sections, I feel no
  place on
the
  sidewall that does not have a bead: perhaps this was gross
  overlap?

  Anyway, while waiting to contact Schwalbe for recourse, I've
installed an
  old pair of Avocet Fastgrips, 559X1.25. They feel more sluggish
  than
the
  Kojaks which, for their part, seem as good rolling as the very
  supple
and
  light 1 Turbos. Odd, too, that they feel harder to my thumb at
  ~60
psi
  than did the Kojaks, tho' they roll smoothly enough at 60. I've
bumped up
  pressure to ~75/70 f/r and will try that, but just may go back
  to the
  Turbos for the nonce.

  Does anyone with experience of the Fastgrips, or well-informed
  scuttlebutt, have comments on the rolling-nature of this tire?
  Apart
from
  my perception (and I'm always willing to be proved wrong) they
  look
pretty
  good for my purpose: a  lightish, fastish, narrowish but durable
  tire
for
  the Riv Commuter than can carry a 30 lb rear load without
  worrying
about
  pinch flats.

  Also: has anyone had my experience with Kojak or, more generally,
  Schwalbe beads?

  Thanks.

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[RBW] Drop Bar Suggestions?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

My favorite is the Salsa Cowbell. Black only, but you'll probably cover most of 
that with tape. The bigger issue is the 31.8 mm clamp size.

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Re: [RBW] For Sale-RBW/Protovelo frame with some accessories (no wheels)

[Joe Bernard]

That Protovelo looks eerily familiar. Did you get from a seller in N. CA.?
 
Joe Bernard
Vasllejo, CA.

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:50:11 PM UTC-7, Mayfly wrote:

 Jack, 
 More info onthe Protovelo? Size, story, etc? The PV looks to be a beaut. 
 The Specialized is one ugly bugger ( in a good way ). 
 Marc 
  
 From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: [
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:] on behalf of Capnjack [
 capn...@bellsouth.net javascript:] 
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 To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
 Subject: [RBW] For Sale-RBW/Protovelo frame with some accessories (no 
 wheels) 

 I bought this frame and by the time I got a chance to ride it, I found it 
 was too large for me.  I just wasn't thinking straight, I guess.  I called 
 it a senior moment, and now have purchased a SOMA Fabrications ES.  I have 
 this and my old bike, a Specialized Roubaix Pro, 2009,  both for sale. 
 $1850 for the Specialized and 
 $1350 for the Protovelo (blue) 

 Both have been professionally cleaned, inspected, tested, and can be 
 shipped for $50 each. 

 Jack 
 615-319-8876 
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Re: [RBW] Winter Shoe Recommendations?

[Bruce Herbitter]

I've gone to thick wool socks inside sealskins inside loose fitting
sandals. If it's windy out, wind covers over it all. If it's not super
cold, thin liner socks inside the thick wool socks in the sandals works
okay.

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Re: [RBW] Drop Bar Suggestions?

[Eric Daume]

I'm really enjoying the VO Rando bar I put on my Sogn. Looks strange, feels
great.

Eric Daume
Dublin, OH

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
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 My favorite is the Salsa Cowbell. Black only, but you'll probably cover
 most of that with tape. The bigger issue is the 31.8 mm clamp size.

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Re: [RBW] For Sale-RBW/Protovelo frame with some accessories (no wheels)

[Bruce Baker]

Jack,
What are the frame sizes and what components are on the roubaix??

On 9/29/12, Capnjack capn_j...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 I bought this frame and by the time I got a chance to ride it, I found it
 was too large for me.  I just wasn't thinking straight, I guess.  I called
 it a senior moment, and now have purchased a SOMA Fabrications ES.  I have
 this and my old bike, a Specialized Roubaix Pro, 2009,  both for sale.
 $1850 for the Specialized and
 $1350 for the Protovelo (blue)

 Both have been professionally cleaned, inspected, tested, and can be shipped
 for $50 each.

 Jack
 615-319-8876
 capn_j...@bellsouth.net
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[RBW] Re: For Sale - Stronglight Impact Cranks 2 pairs

[Garth]

New price . $60 with USPS shipping ! 


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[RBW] Re: For Sale - Stronglight Impact Cranks 2 pairs

[Garth]

New price . $60 each pair with USPS shipping ! 

These are nice cranks and the SS rings will last a long time.   I use a 
black big ring on my Bombadil and it looks awesome .  I was a silver snob 
too lol.  But now that I've actually put some on my bike it looks 
cool.  

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Re: [RBW] Grant's visit to DC area yesterday

[Steve Palincsar]

On Fri, 2012-09-28 at 14:14 -0400, Jeff Lesperance wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Joan Oppel oppel...@verizon.net
 wrote:
  Grant visited us in the DC area yesterday afternoon and
 evening - and I do mean evening.  The group ride (about a
 dozen people) started a little after 5 pm, we went about 17
 miles round trip.  
 
 ...
  Pictures -
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/30856149@N04/sets/72157631643353543/
 
 
 Joan
 
 
 
 
 Great pics Joan. I was happy to see that you labeled the picture of me
 as Handsome Devil and after the blushing faded I remembered that's
 the name of my bike :-)
 
 
 It was nice, surreal even, to ride among the beautiful Riv's with my
 Handsome Devil and still be on the receiving end of a few nice bike
 compliments. What a great bunch!


I hope some of that bunch will come to the next Riv Rally East.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

[PATRICK MOORE]

Really, as far as I can tell.

For me, the issue is: what is the actual, statistically determined risk for
death or injury from cycling? If the statistics I've read are true -- the
NYT article cites one putting cycling on a par with walking; another I've
read claims cycling is less dangerous than walking and about 2X as
dangerous as riding in a car per unit distance and equal in danger to
riding in a car per unit time (don't recall the locations but major,
urban/suburban circumstances) -- then the issue becomes more clear. One
doesn't spend much time worrying about head protection while walking.

One other statistical point: from Forester, I think: among cyclists, injury
and death is much greater for children and adolescents; the safest cyclists
are older, urban commuters. (Citing from memory.) True, much the same can
be said for autos -- young males skew the statistics -- but the point is
still valid.

It was from such research a few years ago that I decided not to bother with
helmets. Do I think a 8 oz piece of styrofoam certified by a very
unrealistic test (in the US; I think the Euro test is more rigorous) might
be of some value in an accident? Of course. But put in the statistical
context just described, I have concluded that I am not being foolish by
foregoing one.

Lies, damned likes and statistics; but still, it is the large picture,
quantified with sufficient rigor, that gives the most accurate assessment
of one's true risk.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:21 PM, rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.comwrote:




  Finally, this is not a pro- or anti-helmet post.


  Really?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2012-10-01 at 07:53 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:

 One doesn't spend much time worrying about head protection while
 walking.

Falls while walking seldom involve a head injury.



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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Coffee Ride

[jimD]

She was a woman 'of a certain age'.

I'm guessing that the Carradice bag, the Riv lugs, and, of course, my dashing 
countenance, are what inclined
the fine lady to think I might have been from elsewhere.  I get this a lot   ;)

-JimD

On Sep 30, 2012, at 10:03 PM, Reid wrote:

 
 On Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:14:57 PM UTC-7, Robert Barr wrote:
 Jim, I am curious about the age of the woman who commented on your bike. I 
 had a strikingly different comment last week at my local coffee shop (I 
 detect some similar tendencies with this group). For the second time in about 
 two weeks I was complimented on my new style commuting bike. My new style 
 bike is a 1993 MB3, with Alba bars, Brooks saddle, and Nitto racks front and 
 back. A large Wald basket sits on the back. The girl that commented on my 
 bike said she likes the look of the new commuting bikes and was hoping to buy 
 a Surly. She said her father and his friends like to ride old racing bikes 
 and wear funny bike outfits (her words!). The week before a student made a 
 similar comment, and asked were he could buy a bike like mine because he 
 wants to ride to work and old style bikes aren't good for that (again - his 
 words). It all depends on what you remember. The girl at the coffee shop was 
 probably the same age as my bike, and I am sure she has never seen English 
 roadster. I think I know who her father is, and if I am correct he rides a 
 very new Trek Madone. We will see what they say about my new Hunqapillar, it 
 should be at the coffee shop next week.  Bob
  
  
 Just today on a ride to a coffee cafe (yeah that must be a theme with this 
 group) that is on the local university campus, I saw massive bike parking 
 areas with one hundred or more bikes in each area. Lovely! What I noticed, 
 though, was that more than 95% were city/hybrid/cruiser/mountain bikes. I had 
 to look really close to find a couple of drop-bar bikes in a group of 100.
  
 I love having been around long enough to see things cycle 'round and 'round 
 through the decades. Makes me think that I'm actually learning something 
 about how the world works.
  
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RE: [RBW] Grant's visit to DC area yesterday

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

+1 re Riv Rally East -- especially you, Joan.  We need some refinement among 
the group!

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Palincsar
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:35 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Grant's visit to DC area yesterday

On Fri, 2012-09-28 at 14:14 -0400, Jeff Lesperance wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Joan Oppel oppel...@verizon.net
 wrote:
  Grant visited us in the DC area yesterday afternoon and
 evening - and I do mean evening.  The group ride (about a
 dozen people) started a little after 5 pm, we went about 17
 miles round trip.  
 
 ...
  Pictures -
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/30856149@N04/sets/72157631643353543/
 
 
 Joan
 
 
 
 
 Great pics Joan. I was happy to see that you labeled the picture of me 
 as Handsome Devil and after the blushing faded I remembered that's 
 the name of my bike :-)
 
 
 It was nice, surreal even, to ride among the beautiful Riv's with my 
 Handsome Devil and still be on the receiving end of a few nice bike
 compliments. What a great bunch!


I hope some of that bunch will come to the next Riv Rally East.



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Re: [RBW] Society Finally Catching up to Grant

[jimD]

My helmet kicks in as a mirror holder.

The thing that bugs me is the boilerplate reporting coverage about bike 
accidents
that insists on informing us that injured/maimed/dead riders were or were not 
wearing 
helmets.

-JimD

On Sep 30, 2012, at 8:28 PM, dougP wrote:

 A helmet only kicks in when you crash, so the use-or-not-use decision
 involves a calculation (inexact at best) as to the liklihood of losing
 control of one's destiny .  Riding like a racer thru rush hour traffic
 in an urban area seems less controllable than puttering down a country
 lane.  As with many cycling decisions, it's situational.
 
 dougP
 
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 Besides some wonderful clothing, bikes, camping gear, and ideas, something
 I've become since discovering Rivendell is a lot more tolerance around what
 makes a good cyclist. I used to be very critical of those who didn't ...
 whatever. Now, I am just happy when I see someone riding.
 
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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Suggestions?

[Kevin Mulcahy]

Nitto B-135 in 45cm are the bee's knees. 

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Re: [RBW] Society Finally Catching up to Grant

[Ron Mc]

What Jim D said.  
If I'm riding up the hill on an errand, and I wouldn't even think about 
putting on my helmet. 
But if I'm on the road for distance or even on a trail, I would be naked 
without my mirror.  It comes with a helmet.  

On Monday, October 1, 2012 9:55:47 AM UTC-5, JimD wrote:

 My helmet kicks in as a mirror holder. 

 The thing that bugs me is the boilerplate reporting coverage about bike 
 accidents 
 that insists on informing us that injured/maimed/dead riders were or were 
 not wearing 
 helmets. 

 -JimD 

 On Sep 30, 2012, at 8:28 PM, dougP wrote: 

  A helmet only kicks in when you crash, so the use-or-not-use decision 
  involves a calculation (inexact at best) as to the liklihood of losing 
  control of one's destiny .  Riding like a racer thru rush hour traffic 
  in an urban area seems less controllable than puttering down a country 
  lane.  As with many cycling decisions, it's situational. 
  
  dougP 
  
  On Sep 30, 7:24 pm, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: 
  Besides some wonderful clothing, bikes, camping gear, and ideas, 
 something 
  I've become since discovering Rivendell is a lot more tolerance around 
 what 
  makes a good cyclist. I used to be very critical of those who didn't 
 ... 
  whatever. Now, I am just happy when I see someone riding. 
  
  On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Peter M uscpeter11...@gmail.com 
 wrote: 
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/sunday-review/to-encourage-biking-c... 

  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

[PATRICK MOORE]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1119262/

http://www.copenhagenize.com/2009/08/walking-helmet-is-good-helmet.html

But true, the statistic does not analyze the types of injuries, just the
overall danger or risk; still, walking is pretty darn safe, so the risk to
head in cycling can't be huge. OTOH, I've been told by an ER technician
that head injuries are more common and serious in auto accidents than in
bike accidents -- anecdotal, one person's experience. Put all of this
together as you will; I've drawn my own practical conclusions.

And I am always open to new -- but statistical! -- evidence. I have a
helmet hanging at home for the time that I am finally convinced it is
needed.



On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Mon, 2012-10-01 at 07:53 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:

  One doesn't spend much time worrying about head protection while
  walking.

 Falls while walking seldom involve a head injury.



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[RBW] Paul touring canti set for sale

[Peter M]

Went back to high profile Paul Neo Retros since I figured out my heel
was hitting the chainstay and not the brakes. Solved with a  bit wider
BB. Long story short I like the high profile brakes so I have a set of
nice condition Paul Touring Cantis-black. I am including two brand new
hanger cables, hangers, new pads/holders (Tektro) and some Kool Stop
holders with pads that are probably due for a replacement. I was
thinking $90 shipped for the whole set. Email offlist. Link to pics of
brakes on and off the bike. Thanks.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/


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Re: [RBW] Grant's visit to DC area yesterday

[Montclair BobbyB]

Thanks, guys.  Speaking of Riv Rally East, starting to plan the 2013 Rally. 
 The Blue Ridge / Shenandoah region of Virginia is high on the list of 
possible locations, so hopefully we will attract a few more DC-area 
Rivendellians this coming year.  

BB

On Monday, October 1, 2012 10:50:53 AM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:

 +1 re Riv Rally East -- especially you, Joan.  We need some refinement 
 among the group! 

 -Original Message- 
 From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto:
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:] On Behalf Of Steve Palincsar 
 Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:35 AM 
 To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Grant's visit to DC area yesterday 

 On Fri, 2012-09-28 at 14:14 -0400, Jeff Lesperance wrote: 
  On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Joan Oppel 
  oppe...@verizon.netjavascript: 

  wrote: 
   Grant visited us in the DC area yesterday afternoon and 
  evening - and I do mean evening.  The group ride (about a 
  dozen people) started a little after 5 pm, we went about 17 
  miles round trip.   
  
  ... 
   Pictures - 
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/30856149@N04/sets/72157631643353543/ 
  
  
  Joan 
  
  
  
  
  Great pics Joan. I was happy to see that you labeled the picture of me 
  as Handsome Devil and after the blushing faded I remembered that's 
  the name of my bike :-) 
  
  
  It was nice, surreal even, to ride among the beautiful Riv's with my 
  Handsome Devil and still be on the receiving end of a few nice bike 
  compliments. What a great bunch! 


 I hope some of that bunch will come to the next Riv Rally East. 



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[RBW] Re: What size Hunq

[Gary]

Hi John,

I've got a PBH of 91.5 and I'm 5'11. I went with a 58 hunq because of its 
shorter top tube, but I would have probably been fine with a 62. On my bike 
the seat and bars had to go up quite a bit to make the 58 fit with drop 
bars (I could send you a pic if you'd like). 

Gary


On Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:56:51 AM UTC-4, John Johnson wrote:

 I need some advice/help on the right size Hunq to order. I'm 6'1 and have 
 a 91cm PBH.  I also plan on running a Albatross bar.  According to the Riv 
 website, I'd be on a 58cm, but I've been advised to get a 62cm, which 
 sounds large.  Many thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Suggestions?

[Jeremy Till]

The normal Nitto choices (Noodle, 176 Dream, Marks, Rando, etc.) and the 
similar (in shape, not saying anything about quality) Compass/Grand Bois 
and Velo Orange options are the broad range of go-to choices around here, 
and a lot of people like their classic looks and roomy curves.  However, 
the flip side of flat ramps and roomy curves is that these bars often have 
a lot of reach and sometimes drop, so if you feel like these might stretch 
you out too far with your preferred cockpit length (TT length and stem), 
there's tons of good options in the short reach and drop department.  The 
tradeoff is tighter ergo curves on the bars which may or may not jive 
with your aesthetic sensibilities.  

The aforementioned Salsa Bell Lap and Cowbell fit into this category, and 
both feature drops which are slightly flared.  Other short bars include 
the Salsa Pro Road, the Soma Hwy 1 (available in silver with a 26.0mm clamp 
diameter), and a number of Nitto designs not sold by Rivendell.  Check out 
the Soma online store, which is the retail outlet for Nitto importers Merry 
Sales (any LBS with a Merry Sales account can also order most of these 
bars):

http://store.somafab.com/nittoroadbars.html

If you want to try the short and shallow thing without investing in nice 
new bars and can work with a 31.8mm clamp for a while, a lot of LBS's that 
sell contemporary road bikes will often have a take-off bin of stock drop 
bars from current road bikes, from when they are swapped out by customers 
for a different design.  I'm running a pair of Felt-branded generic drop 
bars at the moment and they've convinced me that I prefer shorter reach 
bars.  Maybe i'll buy something nicer sometime soon.  

I'm leaving out full-on flared drop bars like the On-One Midge, Salsa 
Woodchipper, Origin8 Gary V1, Nitto RM-014 and older WTB designs, since in 
my mind these are a distinct category of bars requiring a completely 
different cockpit geometry from normal road drop bars to be set up 
comfortably.  


On Thursday, September 27, 2012 4:10:59 PM UTC-7, tragicallyaverage wrote:

 Building up a bike and it needs some new drops. Any suggestions? What do 
 you ride?
 I know Noodles of course, and I've tried them in 3 different widths and 
 for some reason they don't hit home for me.
 If you had to put a drop bar other than a Noodle on your Riv/Riv-ish bike, 
 what would it be?


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[RBW] Re: Paul touring canti set for sale

[AJ]

Hello Peter,
 
I'll take the Pauls off your hands. Paypal O.K.?
 
Cheers,
AJ
 

On Monday, October 1, 2012 11:22:26 AM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: 

 Went back to high profile Paul Neo Retros since I figured out my heel 
 was hitting the chainstay and not the brakes. Solved with a  bit wider 
 BB. Long story short I like the high profile brakes so I have a set of 
 nice condition Paul Touring Cantis-black. I am including two brand new 
 hanger cables, hangers, new pads/holders (Tektro) and some Kool Stop 
 holders with pads that are probably due for a replacement. I was 
 thinking $90 shipped for the whole set. Email offlist. Link to pics of 
 brakes on and off the bike. Thanks. 

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/ 



On Monday, October 1, 2012 11:22:26 AM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: 

 Went back to high profile Paul Neo Retros since I figured out my heel 
 was hitting the chainstay and not the brakes. Solved with a  bit wider 
 BB. Long story short I like the high profile brakes so I have a set of 
 nice condition Paul Touring Cantis-black. I am including two brand new 
 hanger cables, hangers, new pads/holders (Tektro) and some Kool Stop 
 holders with pads that are probably due for a replacement. I was 
 thinking $90 shipped for the whole set. Email offlist. Link to pics of 
 brakes on and off the bike. Thanks. 

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/ 




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[RBW] Re: What size Hunq

[Zack]

Just to weigh in - I have a 93.5 cm PBH, and the 62.  I don't think it 
would be comfortable at all if I had a 91cm PBH.  Particularly if you plan 
on running fat tires.  I would most definitely go with the 58 if I were you.

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[RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

[Brewster Fong]

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:29:40 PM UTC-7, gep7...@gmail.com wrote: 

  It is that *only* if you regard helmets as totally safe *and* ignore any 
 tendency to take more risks when wearing one. 

 
I've heard this statement beforea and am unclear as to kind of 
risk  these riders are taking - i.e., ride faster than allowed, run thru 
stop signs/lights, weave between cars in traffic, making daredevil type 
moves like jumping off cliffs, walls, barriers, or what? 
 
Do these riders do take these risks because they think that a helmet will 
make them immune from the laws of physics?
 
I don't know anyone who takes extraordinary risks just because they put 
on a helmet. or are these risk takers just immature? Good Luck!

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Re: [RBW] Winter Shoe Recommendations?

[Brian Hanson]

I'm interested in lightweight boots that are not too bulky (the holy
grail?).   I've had good luck with North Face Baltoros (
http://www.rei.com/product/818560/the-north-face-baltoro-400-iii-winter-boots-mens)
- they are really warm and have been the most comfortable walking boot I've
had.  I wore them daily on my bus/walk commute in MN down to -20, so
they're plenty warm.  Now that I'm in Seattle, I was going to look into the
Sidi winter boots, but I'm off clipless shoes, and on platforms so a warmer
shoe would be fine as it rarely breaches 20.  Perhaps a market will open
up for insulated waterproof sneakers?

Brian
Seattle, WA


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bruce.herbit...@gmail.comwrote:

 I've gone to thick wool socks inside sealskins inside loose fitting
 sandals. If it's windy out, wind covers over it all. If it's not super
 cold, thin liner socks inside the thick wool socks in the sandals works
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Re: [RBW] Fall northwoods excursion

[Andrew Letton]

You've got some stunningly beautiful shots there Jim!  Thanks for sharing.  
Almost makes me want to move...almost...
What brand/model is that green bike?
cheers,
Andrew
Santa Cruz Mountains, CA





From: Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
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Subject: [RBW] Fall northwoods excursion

No Rivs on the ride, as it happened, but I think the conditions were more than 
a 
little Riv-friendly. Pics for now, words when I get around to it.
http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2012/10/fall-northwoods-trip.html

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[RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

[jeffrey kane]

My wife makes me wear mine ...

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:33:18 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:


 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/sunday-review/to-encourage-biking-cities-forget-about-helmets.html?pagewanted=all
  


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Re: [RBW] Winter Shoe Recommendations?

[Jim Mather]

Merrell makes an insulated Moc:
http://www.rei.com/product/836526/merrell-shiver-moc-2-waterproof-shoes-mens
When I spent more time in snow country, I had a pair that I used for around
town. Comfortable, warm, and not nearly as bulky as my Sorrels.


On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote:

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Re: [RBW] Fall northwoods excursion

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Thanks! The green bike is my Curt Goodrich custom (it used to be red), modeled 
on my former Atlantis, but with 26 wheels and a 1-1/8 threadless steerer, 
among other custom touches.

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[RBW] WTB: 165mm VO or TA crankarms (or set)

[Gino Zahnd]

I'm looking for a shorty 50.4bcd crank arms. Got 'em?

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[RBW] Re: Fall northwoods excursion

[jeffrey kane]

Nice post/pics ... fall color is still a ways off here in NYC ... just 
gorgeous. Jealous is the word that come to mind next.

On Monday, October 1, 2012 3:45:40 PM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 No Rivs on the ride, as it happened, but I think the conditions were more 
 than a little Riv-friendly. Pics for now, words when I get around to it.
 http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2012/10/fall-northwoods-trip.html


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Re: [RBW] Winter Shoe Recommendations?

[Joe Broach]

South of you in Portland (via Montana), I finally got rid of my
insulated boots after a couple of years. I'm finding that a waterprood
lightweight hiking shoe/boot with wool socks is plenty for me, and I'm
cold-natured. Still haven't figured out how to keep my wands warm and
dry beyond about 5 miles, though. It was easier in the dry cold.

Best,
joe broach
portland, or

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm interested in lightweight boots that are not too bulky (the holy
 grail?).   I've had good luck with North Face Baltoros
 (http://www.rei.com/product/818560/the-north-face-baltoro-400-iii-winter-boots-mens)
 - they are really warm and have been the most comfortable walking boot I've
 had.  I wore them daily on my bus/walk commute in MN down to -20, so they're
 plenty warm.  Now that I'm in Seattle, I was going to look into the Sidi
 winter boots, but I'm off clipless shoes, and on platforms so a warmer
 shoe would be fine as it rarely breaches 20.  Perhaps a market will open
 up for insulated waterproof sneakers?

 Brian
 Seattle, WA



 On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Bruce Herbitter bruce.herbit...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I've gone to thick wool socks inside sealskins inside loose fitting
 sandals. If it's windy out, wind covers over it all. If it's not super cold,
 thin liner socks inside the thick wool socks in the sandals works okay.



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Re: [RBW] Winter Shoe Recommendations?

[Joe Broach]

Sorry for the bad formatting. My reply below was meant for Brian, not
the OP. -joe in pdx

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Joe Broach joebro...@gmail.com wrote:
 South of you in Portland (via Montana), I finally got rid of my
 insulated boots after a couple of years. I'm finding that a waterprood
 lightweight hiking shoe/boot with wool socks is plenty for me, and I'm
 cold-natured. Still haven't figured out how to keep my wands warm and
 dry beyond about 5 miles, though. It was easier in the dry cold.

 Best,
 joe broach
 portland, or

 On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm interested in lightweight boots that are not too bulky (the holy
 grail?).   I've had good luck with North Face Baltoros
 (http://www.rei.com/product/818560/the-north-face-baltoro-400-iii-winter-boots-mens)
 - they are really warm and have been the most comfortable walking boot I've
 had.  I wore them daily on my bus/walk commute in MN down to -20, so they're
 plenty warm.  Now that I'm in Seattle, I was going to look into the Sidi
 winter boots, but I'm off clipless shoes, and on platforms so a warmer
 shoe would be fine as it rarely breaches 20.  Perhaps a market will open
 up for insulated waterproof sneakers?

 Brian
 Seattle, WA



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 wrote:

 I've gone to thick wool socks inside sealskins inside loose fitting
 sandals. If it's windy out, wind covers over it all. If it's not super cold,
 thin liner socks inside the thick wool socks in the sandals works okay.



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Re: [RBW] For Sale-RBW/Protovelo frame with some accessories (no wheels)

[Joe Bernard]

Well?

On Monday, October 1, 2012 4:51:33 AM UTC-7, Bruce Baker wrote:

 Jack, 
 What are the frame sizes and what components are on the roubaix?? 

 On 9/29/12, Capnjack capn...@bellsouth.net javascript: wrote: 
  I bought this frame and by the time I got a chance to ride it, I found 
 it 
  was too large for me.  I just wasn't thinking straight, I guess.  I 
 called 
  it a senior moment, and now have purchased a SOMA Fabrications ES.  I 
 have 
  this and my old bike, a Specialized Roubaix Pro, 2009,  both for sale. 
  $1850 for the Specialized and 
  $1350 for the Protovelo (blue) 
  
  Both have been professionally cleaned, inspected, tested, and can be 
 shipped 
  for $50 each. 
  
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Re: [RBW] Society Finally Catching up to Grant

[Rex Kerr]

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:55 AM, jimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote:

 My helmet kicks in as a mirror holder.

 The thing that bugs me is the boilerplate reporting coverage about bike
 accidents
 that insists on informing us that injured/maimed/dead riders were or were
 not wearing
 helmets.


Mine does a great job hiding my bed-hair until I get to work and take my
shower.  :-)  I moved my mirror to my glasses since it wasn't always
available when tied to the helmet [and if I had to chose one or the other,
I'd take the mirror!] and kept getting knocked off and broken.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

[Joe Broach]

 On Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:29:40 PM UTC-7, gep7...@gmail.com wrote:

  It is that only if you regard helmets as totally safe and ignore any
 tendency to take more risks when wearing one.

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Brewster Fong bfd...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've heard this statement beforea and am unclear as to kind of risk  these
 riders are taking - i.e., ride faster than allowed, run thru stop
 signs/lights, weave between cars in traffic, making daredevil type moves
 like jumping off cliffs, walls, barriers, or what?

Brewster, I guess I rationalize it the other way around. In my sample
of one, I ride more carefully the (10%?) of the time I don't wear my
helmet. Specifically, I ride more slowly on quieter streets, leave
more escape room, and rarely ride in the dark or rain without a
helmet. Out of the city, I pretty much only ditch the helmet for
climbs, and if I do descend, I don't push it. It may be unsupportable,
but it's the internal bargain I've made with myself.

Best,
joe broach
portland, or

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[RBW] Schwalbe customer service: one instance

[PATRICK MOORE]

Well, that was fast! Less than 48 hours after submitting S of NA's online
warranty form I got an email from a real person saying, No sweat, we'll
quickly replace. If I can extrapolate, SNA's service is as good as their
products.

I look forward to the Kojaks again.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2012-10-01 at 15:08 -0700, Joe Broach wrote:
 
 Brewster, I guess I rationalize it the other way around. In my sample
 of one, I ride more carefully the (10%?) of the time I don't wear my
 helmet. Specifically, I ride more slowly on quieter streets, leave
 more escape room, and rarely ride in the dark or rain without a
 helmet. Out of the city, I pretty much only ditch the helmet for
 climbs, and if I do descend, I don't push it. It may be unsupportable,
 but it's the internal bargain I've made with myself.

Just for fun, let's examine a few accidents I've had, and see if being
more careful would have helped.

- front wheel gets caught in a crack between two lanes of concrete
pavement, front wheel washes out, bike crashes.  10 mph at the time, if
that much.

- JRA and ride into an invisible, paved-over pothole.  I couldn't see
the depression after the crash when I was standing right next to it.

- I come over the crest of a roller the day after a big thunderstorm,
and there in defilade just beyond the crest, out of sight, is a large
tree branch.  I don't see it until I am almost on top of it, can't stop
before I run over it and crash.

- The wet spot I thought was water running across the bike trail turned
out to be black ice.  Soon as I hit it, the bike flips sideways and down
I go.

- The Mt. Vernon Trail detour under the Wilson Bridge routes you up onto
a sidewalk at about a 15 degree angle.  I don't see that just before you
get to the newly cast concrete curb-cut there's a section of dirt
immediately adjacent to the curb cut that's washed out, so instead of a
level transition up the curb cut, it's a 1 ledge, and I hit it at a
very shallow angle.  Front wheel washes out and down I go.

- I'm riding down the bike trail and there are two joggers ahead of me.
I yell and ring my bell; they acknowledge and one jogger moves to the
right and one moves into the left lane.  I tell them I'm coming up the
middle.  As I am a couple of feet from them, the guy on the left crosses
over to the right and steps right in front of my bike.  I run him down.

- I'm riding down the bike trail and my front tire blows.  (Turns out
there was a sharp metal edge inside the rim that cut the sidewall.)  I'm
not sure which wheel blew out, so I coast to lose speed rather than
hitting any brake.  The bike suddenly loses all directional stability
and rolls right over, augering into the ground.

Now, what was that you were saying about being more careful?  





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[RBW] East Bay Riv Friendly Bike Shop

[Jared Volpe]

Looking for recommendations for some East Bay Riv Friendly Bike Shops.

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: FS 58cm atlantis. Sydney Australia

[Brevivelo]

Hi - I've emailed some measurements- good luck with your PBH
Hope these phone photos are visible
https://picasaweb.google.com/tjs066/Atlantis?authkey=Gv1sRgCJnBjoeV_am0Ig#

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:30:33 AM UTC+10, Savvas wrote:

 Hi Brevivelo,

 I am in Adelaide and have been interested in getting an Atlantis for some 
 years (or at least since they were half the price they are today!) I 
 suspect that 58cm is about my RivBike recommended size so I'm pretty 
 interested in your proposed sake. I wonder if you could give a few details 
 regarding tyres you are using and standover, cockpit length (bars to back 
 of saddle) etc. A picture would be great too. I don't know how to PM here 
 but my address is kabir(at)chariot.net.au (Kabir was sort of like the 
 Shakespeare of India). I'll just go measure my PBH again... 

 Savvas.

 On Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:44:08 AM UTC+9:30, Brevivelo wrote:

 It is a great bike. I like it a lot. May get a Sam H in the future. 
 Exchange rate is about even. And I bought the frame only when the exchange 
 rate was about 60c to the usd for me. But that's my bad luck. Thinking 
 $1900 will be the, selling price



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[RBW] Re: For Sale - Stronglight Impact Cranks 2 pairs

[Garth]

I have a pair of these cranks left !!! 

Thank you for your interest. 


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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe customer service: one instance

[Philip Williamson]

I had great response from Schwalbe, too, with my broken Big Apple bead. I 
sent them a picture, they gave me a choice of the two closest matching 
Schwalbe products (they'd changed the tread pattern, or something). 
http://www.biketinker.com/2012/projects/schwalbe-big-apple-warranty/

Philip
www.biketinker.com


On Monday, October 1, 2012 3:23:51 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Well, that was fast! Less than 48 hours after submitting S of NA's online 
 warranty form I got an email from a real person saying, No sweat, we'll 
 quickly replace. If I can extrapolate, SNA's service is as good as their 
 products.

 I look forward to the Kojaks again. 

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Re: [RBW] East Bay Riv Friendly Bike Shop

[Andrew Letton]

Um, how about Rivendell World Headquarters?  
cheers,
Andrew (ducking...)





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Subject: [RBW] East Bay Riv Friendly Bike Shop

Looking for recommendations for some East Bay Riv Friendly Bike Shops.

Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] East Bay Riv Friendly Bike Shop

[Jared Volpe]

You should be!  Looking for a Riv friendly shop for tuneups, parts, etc. in 
the East Bay proper. Oakland, Berkeley.  Not Walnut Creek.

On Monday, October 1, 2012 4:41:23 PM UTC-7, Andrew Letton wrote:

 Um, how about Rivendell World Headquarters?  
 cheers,
 Andrew (ducking...)

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[RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

[soapscum]

I'm sure I'm a statistical anomaly, and at the risk of exposing myself as 
either profoundly unlucky or a terrible rider, I've had helmets save my 
noggin' from serious injury twice. The first when a car hit me and I landed 
on my head resulting in a dandy concussion and a sprain in 3 cervical 
vertebra. Unquestionably, I'd have been much worse off without the helmet. 
The second time, a patch of black ice disappeared my bike out from 
underneath me and I went down hard enough to break the helmet on the 
pavement, ringing my bell hard enough that I didn't realize I'd broken my 
wrist for about 4 hours. Apart from riding in an urban environment to begin 
with, I wasn't taking any unusual risks; things happen. I can still walk, 
talk, ride my bike, feed myself... so, I'll keep wearing a helmet. Seems to 
work for me. And while it's clearly the fallacy of the vivid example, it's 
the reason I require my daughter to wear hers, helmet law or no. Do I think 
helmet use should be mandated by statute? I don't, but it's not one of the 
injustices I devote any time to. I do think it's unfortunate that the 
pro-helmet/anti-helmet debate has devolved (in some quarters) to the level 
of holy war.

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 4:33:18 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:


 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/sunday-review/to-encourage-biking-cities-forget-about-helmets.html?pagewanted=all
  


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Re: [RBW] East Bay Riv Friendly Bike Shop

[Dan McNamara]

Missing Link on Shattuck has been good in my experience. 

Tip Top on Telegraph in Oakland has been good for friends - I have never had a 
repair done there. 


Dan

Marin (but work in Berkeley)


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On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:54 PM, Jared Volpe jaredvo...@gmail.com wrote:

 You should be!  Looking for a Riv friendly shop for tuneups, parts, etc. in 
 the East Bay proper. Oakland, Berkeley.  Not Walnut Creek.
 
 On Monday, October 1, 2012 4:41:23 PM UTC-7, Andrew Letton wrote:
 
 Um, how about Rivendell World Headquarters?  
 cheers,
 Andrew (ducking...)
 
 From: Jared Volpe jared...@gmail.com
 To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Mon, October 1, 2012 4:04:19 PM
 Subject: [RBW] East Bay Riv Friendly Bike Shop
 
 Looking for recommendations for some East Bay Riv Friendly Bike Shops.
 
 Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] East Bay Riv Friendly Bike Shop

[James Warren]

There's a guy who works at Performance on University in Berkeley who is very Riv-friendly. He liked my Atlantis a lot, and I think he used to have one of his own. He works in the service department of the store.
I can't remember his name, but he has a beard and I believe he used to work back at Harris Cyclery. Even though it is a Performance shop, I figure any mechanic who can appreciate an Atlantis is worth going to.
-Original Message- From: Jared Volpe Sent: Oct 1, 2012 4:54 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] East Bay Riv Friendly Bike Shop You should be! Looking for a Riv friendly shop for tuneups, parts, etc. in the East Bay proper. Oakland, Berkeley. Not Walnut Creek.On Monday, October 1, 2012 4:41:23 PM UTC-7, Andrew Letton wrote:



Um, how about Rivendell World Headquarters? cheers,Andrew (ducking...)



From: Jared Volpe jared...@gmail.comTo: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comSent: Mon, October 1, 2012 4:04:19 PMSubject: [RBW] East Bay Riv Friendly Bike ShopLooking for recommendations for some East Bay Riv Friendly Bike Shops.

Thanks!
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[RBW] FS: Nitto UI-5GX threadless stem

[cyclotourist]

Selling for a friend: Beautiful stem that is still quite beautiful. Marred
by an unfortunate tire change in gravel. Mistakes were made, lessons were
learned. A really nice stem I'm tempted to keep for that someday. 120mm
extention 1-1/8 steerer, 26mm clamp. Functionally 100%, scratches on the
top surface aren't that bad, but they're there.  Four bolt front.Retail is
$70. $35 shipped to your door!

One of four photos
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/8045584022/in/photostream

Payapl is preferred. Let me know off list if you have more questions or are
dying to buy this!

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[RBW] OT PSA: Bike Friday Tikit Safety Recall

[Zack]

If you have a Tikit, stop riding it immediately and contact Bike Friday. 
 (Stem failures).

I know this is OT, but I have seen people talk about BF's on this list, and 
figured it's worth sharing.  I saw it on Path Less Pedaled's FB page.

Below is the blog/info:

http://www.bikefriday.com/blog/?p=992

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[RBW] Re: Winter Shoe Recommendations?

[Zack]

how on earth do you guys ride in Sorels?  haahha.  That seems like madness. 
 Bean boots would be a stretch for me.

I actually have some Keen boots that i'll be trying out this winter as bike 
boots.  

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[RBW] Re: Winter Shoe Recommendations?

[Zack]

I will say that one of the best things I read on here about winter riding 
last year (my first winter that I rode throughout, in Vermont) was to 
remember that, while your tires may be studded, your shoes are not, so be 
careful getting on/off the bike and stopping.  Not exactly boot related, 
but worth thinking about.

I was also tempted to get a pair of Icebug boots which have little metal 
studs, for that same reason.

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[RBW] Re: What size Hunq

[Doug Magney]

My PBH is somewhere between 91.5 and 92.  My 62 Hunq has a mid TT height of 90 
cm with 700 x 47 Schwalbe Marathons.  I debated whether to go with a 58 or a 
62, like you are. Very glad I went bigger. Don't forget that PBH is measured in 
bare feet and you ride with some kind of shoes on, usually adding about 2.5 cm 
to your available TT clearance.

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Re: [RBW] Fall northwoods excursion

[Michael Williams]

Holy man!Those are some beautiful, inspiring photos there Jim!
looks like a great time

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
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 Thanks! The green bike is my Curt Goodrich custom (it used to be red),
 modeled on my former Atlantis, but with 26 wheels and a 1-1/8 threadless
 steerer, among other custom touches.

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[RBW] Re: FS 58cm atlantis. Sydney Australia

[dougP]

Nice photos  +1 for the V-brakes.  I recently converted my Atlantis
from cantis to Vs  really like them a lot.

dougP

On Oct 1, 4:04 pm, Brevivelo tjs...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi - I've emailed some measurements- good luck with your PBH
 Hope these phone photos are 
 visiblehttps://picasaweb.google.com/tjs066/Atlantis?authkey=Gv1sRgCJnBjoeV_a...



 On Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:30:33 AM UTC+10, Savvas wrote:

  Hi Brevivelo,

  I am in Adelaide and have been interested in getting an Atlantis for some
  years (or at least since they were half the price they are today!) I
  suspect that 58cm is about my RivBike recommended size so I'm pretty
  interested in your proposed sake. I wonder if you could give a few details
  regarding tyres you are using and standover, cockpit length (bars to back
  of saddle) etc. A picture would be great too. I don't know how to PM here
  but my address is kabir(at)chariot.net.au (Kabir was sort of like the
  Shakespeare of India). I'll just go measure my PBH again...

  Savvas.

  On Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:44:08 AM UTC+9:30, Brevivelo wrote:

  It is a great bike. I like it a lot. May get a Sam H in the future.
  Exchange rate is about even. And I bought the frame only when the exchange
  rate was about 60c to the usd for me. But that's my bad luck. Thinking
  $1900 will be the, selling price- Hide quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

[Michael Richters]

There are some invalid assumptions that are almost always made in 
discussions of this subject that are worth pointing out.  Regarding risk 
compensation, for example, it's not just the cyclist who may change 
behavior when wearing a helmet; others who see him may also behave 
differently (I'm thinking of the overtaking study done by Ian Walker).  The 
same could easily be true for automobiles (do other drivers take more care 
around Smart cars than large SUVs?).  Also, more particular to helmets, it 
is usually assumed that the helmet has no effect on either the probability 
of an impact to the cyclist's head or the nature of that impact, but this 
is a false assumption, as a helmet increases the effective size and mass of 
the wearer's head.  A near miss without a helmet could turn into a severe 
neck injury, for example.

Another type of assumption that comes up consistently is one of causality.  
In many cases, the data show an association between helmet use and a 
decreased incidence of head injuries, and it is usually assumed that the 
helmet use was the cause of that decrease, but this is a fallacious 
assumption (though it may be correct).  In at least one such data set I 
recall looking at, helmet use was also associated with a reduction in arm 
injuries, where a causal relationship seems ridiculous.  There are other 
differences between groups of people who wear helmets and those who do not, 
on average, and it is these confounding factors that make it impossible to 
determine causal relationships.  The real problem here is that it is 
impossible to perform a true controlled trial where people are randomly 
assigned to either use helmets or not.

I recall seeing a graph a while back showing the NHTSA statistics for 
injuries and/or fatalities of pedestrians and cyclists over a long time 
(something like 40 years, beginning in the early 1970s, I think).  I 
believe it showed identical trend lines for both groups, despite the fact 
that helmet use had grown substantially for cyclists over that time, but 
not (obviously) for pedestrians.  Again, not proof of causality, but it 
certainly doesn't support the claims that helmets reduce head injuries by 
85% when it's not detectable in whole-population injury statistics.  I 
would provide a link, but I can't find it just at the moment, I'm afraid.

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[RBW] Re: East Bay Riv Friendly Bike Shop

[franklyn]

The proprietor at Lakeview Bicycles at 622 Grand Ave (by the lake), Charlie 
Cho, has much knowledge and experience with Rivish, iBOBish bikes. He owns 
a Kogswell himself and sells many nitto and VO parts. I have had him done 
work and build wheels for me. Definitely would recommend the shop.

best,
Franklyn

On Monday, October 1, 2012 4:04:15 PM UTC-7, Jared Volpe wrote:

 Looking for recommendations for some East Bay Riv Friendly Bike Shops.

 Thanks!


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Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Shoe Recommendations?

[Jim Mather]

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote:
how on earth do you guys ride in Sorels?

With pedals like these:

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