[RBW] Re: Saluki Brake / Rack Mating Question
Perhaps have a mechanic friend look at how they are set up. I have them on two bikes, 4 years on one, 2 years on the other, with zero adjustments since the initial set up. I love these brakes. Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Saluki Brake / Rack Mating Question
In case it matters to your decision making process, the mini can probably carry a lot more weight. Gernot -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: RivReader asks if aluminum bars should be replaced after 5 years?
Agree with Jim T. that he can be an expert when he wants to be. Just have to teach him to include It's a little known fact... at the beginning. All this talk has made me decide my next bike build is going to have steel handlebars. Might even have to build up a bike around them. Stay tunedg. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:48 AM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: Guy goes into a bar: Maybe modulus varies with UTS, amirite, people!? On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 8:39:45 AM UTC-7, grant wrote: I thought-think-was taught that steel has a load limit below which it can withstand a theoretically infinite number of cycles (flexes), but that aluminum has no such thing. Permanent bending load limit is the Yield strength. Yield strength is the force required to bend a material to the point where it doesn't snap back all straight again. Spring steel (used in springs) has a high yield strength; paperclip steel (used in ) is the opposite. On this topic, vaguely: I was at a materials testing facility two days ago, and remember the hooplah I set off when I suggested that maybe modulus varies with UTS (sorry for the jargon, but I'm too tired to explain). I got so much correction mail that I was forced into a slightly insincere recantation. Well...the head guy at this place was saying that a crank arm made of X would be stiffer than one of idental design made of Y, and so I said politely, Oh really? and he said of course, and I said what about modulus's independence of UTS? and he said no way, we've done this test a zillion times, and then showed me a tech insider's website that listed diff moduli for two alum alloys of diff strengths. I'm just here to cause trouble. I won't respond to an discussions on this, on account of I've beenthere done that...and I will always play my two year diploma, what kind of fool listens to me? card, if pressed. On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 8:08:03 PM UTC+8, Ron Mc wrote: great photo Philip. I put 30 years on a GB Maes bend. Jim, as far as the cycle and S-N curve goes, only cycles that are 70% or greater of the permanent bending load count. Everything below that is within the endurance limit. On Monday, March 18, 2013 6:15:07 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote: So aluminum bars sag before breaking? I only ask, because I'm a 250 lb guy using 25 year old WTB offroad drops on a fixed gear bike... offroad sometimes. http://www.flickr.com/photos/**philipwilliamson/8547042814/http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/8547042814/ Philip www.biketinker.com On Monday, March 18, 2013 2:49:21 PM UTC-7, William wrote: Jim I think that's what I said. The cycle life is determined by how it's loaded, and is captured on an S-N curve. You are correct that a tiny load is at the ultra-long life end of the S-N curve. If the S-N curve tells us that the cycle life is 50million cycles, and if you do 100,000 cycles per year, then Bob's your uncle, it's 500 years of life. For all us (relatively) normal people, we have no clue what cycle we are on. So we are left with judgement. Like I weigh 170, and I don't reef on my bars too hard, so I think I'll worry after 20 years or when I notice my bars sagging, whichever comes first. Someone else may decide I weigh 110, and it's a path bike. I'll never replace bars out of fear. Finally, another person might say I weigh 240 and sprint to every single city limit sign, and climb out of the saddle on my fixie on every hill. 5 years sounds like a good plan The thing that shocks me is how often I see people using bars that are visibly sagging. The tops of the handlebars drooping downward, and the hooks no longer parallel. That's scary. On Monday, March 18, 2013 2:21:42 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: The number of years is irrelevant. Some skinny person who rides upright and gingerly on smooth roads 5 miles per week is going to get 500 years out of the bar. On Monday, March 18, 2013 4:10:09 PM UTC-5, William wrote: You pose two questions: 1. Anyone know anything about aluminum bar life? I know a little bit about fatigue life of materials. Any metal that is cyclicly loaded will fatigue and fail eventually. Just about every metal has a similar look to it on an S-N curve (Wikipedia that for an explanation). The take home is that almost everything eventually wears out and fails. It's just a matter of when. Steel is a notable exception. If steel is cyclicly loaded at a low enough Stress, then it essentially never fatigues. Incredible stuff. Anyway, Aluminum does fatigue and fail...eventually. When? It depends on how much you are stressing it and how many cycles you put on it daily. 2. Do I need to throw away the old used set of bars I have? Nitto is going to say what they say because they generate these S-N curves and test the heck out of their products. They do see parts fail after lots of cycles, and
Re: [RBW] Re: are there any true 700x40 plush, high tpi tires?
I've used the Supremes and also the Marathon Racer, which is only 700x38. I think the Racer is slightly more plush. But neither match what would probably be considered the standard in 650B. Am wondering if the Soma tires are re-done Paselas? If so, the 700x37 size might be the best bet. Those were the most plush, IMO. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:15 AM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Mike: I've used Schwalbe Marathon Supremes (foldable) on my Atlantis for several years, first in 35 and lately in 40 mm. At 50-60 psi, the ride is quite nice. Plush is tough to define, and I've never ridden the Jack Browns, so can't offer a comparison. I rarely get flats. In 40 mm, rears last over 7,000 miles and the one currently on the front just ticked over 11,000 miles. While it has some life left, it will be replaced before the next big tour. While they are a bit spendy, I think the cost per mile and lack of flats make them worthwhile. dougP On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:32:52 PM UTC-7, Michael Williams wrote: Just wondering if anyone has come across any 700x40 tires that are higher tpi( 120). Im kind of imagining a Jack Brown Green but in 40mm size. But Im prolly just be dreaming. I know that Schwalbe makes a bunch of tires in that size range, and I like those tires, but they've always felt a bit sluggish to me. thanks in advance. -Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: RivReader asks if aluminum bars should be replaced after 5 years?
Looking forward to see what you come up with Eric! You can use one of our work stands on Friday if ya want. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: are there any true 700x40 plush, high tpi tires?
700x35 Kojak, 700x37 Pasela, and 700x38 Marathon Racer, are probably the closest to what you need. If you go to slightly knobby rubber, lots more choices. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bullmoose on a Homer Hilsen? Opinions please!
Good question Eric and great answer from Joe. Thinking about putting a set on a Bstone T700. On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 6:42:36 PM UTC-7, Eric wrote: Curious about the bunch's opinion/recommendations about Bullmoose bars on a Homer Hilsen. I was thinking about some Albatross bars in an alternative to Noodle bars but Bullmoose look pretty cool. I'm just not sure about functionality, ect. I would definately throw Bullmoose bars on a Hunqapillar but I haven't had the opportunity to score one yet. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: RivReader asks if aluminum bars should be replaced after 5 years?
Interesting, my undergrad was in geology too. Surprising to see others on the list with similar backgrounds. Like Jim, I never actually used mine too much. Taught middle school science for a few years though. Past that it just makes me feel smart when seeing some cool outcrops on an offroad ride. For the record, I use my bars till they show some problems or I get bored with them. I'd doubt I have any older than 15 years max, generally they get used, swapped, traded, sold... Cheers, Scott On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: I also went to school for geology. I took mineral physics in grad school, which was basically stress/strain/fatigue on the molecular level. I've never used it in any professional capacity, but when it comes to discussing handlebar failures, I can sling BS with the best of them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: FS: Berthoud gray banana saddlebag like new
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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose on a Homer Hilsen? Opinions please!
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ZQ8_C_6nTQw/UUsR8op3S1I/ABs/DMyJdZp4Rds/s1600/P2240170.JPG https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-AjGvK8fhKB0/UUsR5HUt9bI/ABk/ysZRLPBAY5E/s1600/IMG_2216.JPG Eric, are you talking Bullmoose or Bosco Bullmoose? I rode Bosco Bullmoose bars for the first time and was astounded about all the hand positions. (When I told Grant this, he retorted, Why Liesl, I almost feel insulted. Did you think I would design a bar that didn't have all these hand positions?) They are simply grand. It's notable that Grant switched out his noodles to boscos on this atlantis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: are there any true 700x40 plush, high tpi tires?
I run the Marathon racer, 26x1.6, on the tandem and like them a lot. Tandems are notoriously hard on the stokers bottom so its important to have comfortable tires, and these roll very nicely too. There may be better tires for wet roads but we have ridden down significant hills in driving rain without loosing traction. Michael On Thursday, March 21, 2013 12:32:52 AM UTC-4, Michael Williams wrote: Just wondering if anyone has come across any 700x40 tires that are higher tpi( 120). Im kind of imagining a Jack Brown Green but in 40mm size. But Im prolly just be dreaming. I know that Schwalbe makes a bunch of tires in that size range, and I like those tires, but they've always felt a bit sluggish to me. thanks in advance. -Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bombadil v. 2.0 and new Fatty Rumpkins
This leads me to ask a question I've had for a while: What ever happened to the early Riv devotion to horizontal dropouts? I guess I'd prefer I nice long dropout to either of these mentioned options! On Monday, March 18, 2013 11:35:53 PM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I'll take the excellent Rohloff chain tensioner over some cheesy eccentric BB any day. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Another dirt road exploration.
My friend Ed and I got out yesterday for another dirt road exploration yesterday, again on our singlespeeds. We took the Max train out to Hillsboro from Portland where we headed into Banks for a few miles on the Banks Vernonia trail before getting onto some rural gravel backroads. Due to the wet weather we didn't have to contend with dust or even thick mud, just rim eating fine grime. The road we were exploring was Strassel Rd which was pretty nice. While it was steep in parts and forced us to walk here and there, it would be no problem on a geared bike. There was very little traffic and no rabid dogs. It was definitely beautiful in spots but as always when on back roads heading out to the coast, sections of clearcut here and there which are rather depressing. We enjoyed a nice descent on Strassel Rd which spilled us out onto Timber Rd where we resumed climbing although with no need to walk. Timber Rd is fantastic, probably one of my favorite roads in the area although just far enough away that I don't ride it too often. There was minimal traffic which included a few logging trucks but they generally gave us a wide berth. We rode into Vernonia for coffee and lunch and then returned to Hillsboro via the 18 mile Banks Vernonia trail and then back roads. The proof: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157633053478798/with/8576784877/ I definitely want to do some more exploration into the coast range as spring moves along. There's definitely a lot of potential for dirt road rambles although without a car there's just no way of avoiding long days on the road which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Oh, same as last week. Neither of us were on Rivs but there were plenty of RBW purchased accessories. I wouldn't hesitate to do this ride on my Hilsen. I just ended up riding the SS again in solidarity with Ed whose geared bike (Rawland) isn't running. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] are there any true 700x40 plush, high tpi tires?
Hi, Vittoria Randonneur Hyper comes in 40mm @120 tpi. http://www.iminusd.com/vittoria-randonneur-hyper-700x40c/ Here you will find most positive comments re those tires: 4.6/5 based on 36 reviews- http://www.wiggle.com/vittoria-randonneur-hyper-folding-city-tire/ Hope it helps. Cheers. Alex St. Paul On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Michael Williams mkernanwilli...@gmail.com wrote: Just wondering if anyone has come across any 700x40 tires that are higher tpi( 120). Im kind of imagining a Jack Brown Green but in 40mm size. But Im prolly just be dreaming. I know that Schwalbe makes a bunch of tires in that size range, and I like those tires, but they've always felt a bit sluggish to me. thanks in advance. -Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bullmoose on a Homer Hilsen? Opinions please!
One note about the non-Bosco Bullmoose: They're a bit wide for my shortish arms. Enough so that if I was going to continue to use regular mtb grips, I would be sawing off an inch on each side. But that's not the plan. I'm going to wrap them with cloth tape so I can move my hands in from the ends a bit (one of those gotta get 'round to it projects). On Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:00:17 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ZQ8_C_6nTQw/UUsR8op3S1I/ABs/DMyJdZp4Rds/s1600/P2240170.JPG https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-AjGvK8fhKB0/UUsR5HUt9bI/ABk/ysZRLPBAY5E/s1600/IMG_2216.JPG Eric, are you talking Bullmoose or Bosco Bullmoose? I rode Bosco Bullmoose bars for the first time and was astounded about all the hand positions. (When I told Grant this, he retorted, Why Liesl, I almost feel insulted. Did you think I would design a bar that didn't have all these hand positions?) They are simply grand. It's notable that Grant switched out his noodles to boscos on this atlantis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: are there any true 700x40 plush, high tpi tires?
The Conti CX Speed comes in a 700x42 size (actual a bit narrower) and is 180tpi. I had a pair on my QB for a while that were very supple and fast, only switched them out for something slightly narrower so I could run fenders. The file tread is super minimal, you barely notice it on the road. http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/de/en/continental/bicycle/themes/cross/cyclocross_speed/cyclocross_speed_en.html On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:32:52 PM UTC-7, Michael Williams wrote: Just wondering if anyone has come across any 700x40 tires that are higher tpi( 120). Im kind of imagining a Jack Brown Green but in 40mm size. But Im prolly just be dreaming. I know that Schwalbe makes a bunch of tires in that size range, and I like those tires, but they've always felt a bit sluggish to me. thanks in advance. -Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] are there any true 700x40 plush, high tpi tires?
I don't know that these will qualify as plush but they still might be a nice tire that is larger in volume and durable without being as sluggish as standard Marathons. http://www.schwalbetires.com/marathon_deluxe_the_luxury_allrounder --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: RivReader asks if aluminum bars should be replaced after 5 years?
Jim, May take you up on the offer. Might be pretty cold in the garage tomorrow morning. That is, if I don't do the build tonight. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Mar 21, 2013 7:26 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Looking forward to see what you come up with Eric! You can use one of our work stands on Friday if ya want. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: RivReader asks if aluminum bars should be replaced after 5 years?
Yeah, I'm re-thinking an old (original?) set of dirtdrop bars I picked up at a swap meet last year. They're a bit ragged looking anyway and I don't know how much or how roughly they were used... On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:15 AM, Joe K kube...@aol.com wrote: Oh, man, now you've got me thinking. I took 20-year-old Modolo aluminum bars off my old Raleigh. I'd crashed them into a telephone pole, yet there's no *visible* damage to the bars. And so I put them on my new beater when I needed a wider bar a couple of months ago -- because I'm such a cheapskate. Guess I'd better go and yank on them a bit to see if I detect any issues... Joe K On Monday, March 18, 2013 8:27:46 PM UTC-4, EricP wrote: Philip - very nice looking bike. Have had one set of bars fail years ago, but they were flat bars on a mountain bike. Will admit to thinking about this as I put a used set of 48cm Nitto Noodles on my SimpleOne this spring. Hopefully they will last another year or two. On my drop bar bikes, will probably change them after a few years. Might be a good reason to go for steel bars in the future. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 6:32 PM, William tape...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know if they sag before breaking, but I do know aluminum has a cycle life. It merely scares me to see folks riding bars that are badly and symmetrically bent, clearly from tons and tons of use. Your offroad fixie is gorgeous, and I trust your judgement. The tinker can smell fatigue, and that's a fact. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Looking for 650b wheelset and tires?
Hi Ely, I have the set. It's a Schmidt/White Industries/SuperNova E3Pro lighting system. It was re-laced with Synergy A23 in Dec12 and has zero miles. It's my backup set. Please contact me directly if you're interested. Cheers, Ed e.mantar...@greenwichbikes.com On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:15:22 PM UTC-4, Ely Rodriguez wrote: Before I purchase a new set, anyone have something for sale? My wife rides her RB-1 every day and I'd like to step up to a 650b dynamo front and 130 spaced rear. I'm open to a straight trade for a 700c wheelset as well. I'll put a post on the 650b site as well for good luck. Thanks! -Ely -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: are there any true 700x40 plush, high tpi tires?
I haven't ridden them but Vittoria Randonneur Hypers come in 38mm size and they are 120 TPI. I've got a pair of 32mm Hypers and love them. My 40mm Duremes are more comfortable but from a performance standpoint, the Hypers are far superior. On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:32:52 PM UTC-5, Michael Williams wrote: Just wondering if anyone has come across any 700x40 tires that are higher tpi( 120). Im kind of imagining a Jack Brown Green but in 40mm size. But Im prolly just be dreaming. I know that Schwalbe makes a bunch of tires in that size range, and I like those tires, but they've always felt a bit sluggish to me. thanks in advance. -Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres vs Nifty Swifty
Yes, I tried the Hetres and the ride is sweet, but when I put together my Sam, I built it around 32s and don't have room for much else with the fenders I 'm using. On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:18:16 AM UTC-4, Earl Grey wrote: Get Hetres. They will spoil you for all other tires. They will actually improve ride quality, won't increase rolling resistance noticeably (or may even lower it on rough roads), will last much longer (3-4000miles?) and will be much more flat resistant simply because they are wider and are thus run at lower pressure. Gernot (who wishes his 56cm Sam had 650b wheels so he could run Hetres, but who has them on another bike) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Optimal clearance for metal fenders...
Beautiful bike Steve. I see you also have canti brakes which might help out with attachment points as per Jan's suggestions. David On Mar 20, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 15:38 -0400, David Hays wrote: Down the road I was hoping to put Hetres and fenders on it but I'm hearing serious reservations from people. What reservations? Here are the issues regarding the bike: http://janheine.wordpress.com/2013/01/27/does-my-bike-take-fenders/ I don't know about the Hilsen. I do know that some other Riv frames have had serious issues regarding the chainstay bridge distance being far too large, making it very hard to achieve a good fender line. I know that on my Saluki there was insufficient clearance at the chain stays to fit a 58mm wide (that's the widest size) Honjo, so I had to trim the fender, as can be seen here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916047@N00/sets/72157617915097787/show/ Assuming the bike presents no major problems, the biggest issue is that mounting Honjos takes patience and cannot be hurried. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] SimpleOne featured in Bike Winter Fashion Show (Chicago, March 15, 2013)
Shameless self promotion: It's mine. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesbondsv/8576563522/ Alexei Marcoux || Associate Professor of Business Ethics || Quinlan School of Business || Loyola University Chicago || amar...@luc.edu || alexei.marc...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres vs Nifty Swifty
Thanks for the nice summary. On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 3:53:03 PM UTC-4, Lynne Fitz wrote: I have ridden Nifty Swifties, Michelin Axial Raid, Michelin Megamium, Hutchinson 650B Confriere, Grand Bois Cypres, and Soma Xpress. (yes, I put serious miles on my tires. I wore them all out!) Some wear out faster than others. My experience, please take it with a grain of salt Nifty Swifty - sturdy tires. Wear well. Tan sidewall. I think I still have one in the garage I would use in a pinch Michelin Axial Raid - sturdy tires, wear well, ride well. Folding. I think. Unfortunately, made of unobtanium Michelin Megamium - like the Raid, but all black. Folding. Tightest bead ever, G-d help you if you get a flat in the cold and rain. But sturdy. Hutchinson - very sturdy tire; good riding, got over 4000 miles on them. Gray sidewall. Folding. Still keep one around as a spare. Very light. Grand Bois Cypres - nice to ride on. Almost as light as the Hutchinson. Folding. I had more flats with them than any other tire in my life. Retired after 2000 miles Soma Xpress - like riding on nice pillows. Do not appear to slow me down. Folding. Tan sidewall. Not enough miles to assess durability, but they look pretty sturdy. Cheers, Lynne F On Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:38:20 AM UTC-7, Brian wrote: HI, I built up my Sam H. with the GB's (650B x 32) and love the ride they provide but I need to replace them. I'd get the GB's again but they did seem to wear a bit fast and I anticipate more commuting this season so a sturdy tire would be preferable unless it will really compromise the quality of the ride. It's why I am considering the Nifty S. Anyone have any thoughts? Any other 650 x 32-33 besides these and the maxy fastys. Thanks Brian -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: RivReader asks if aluminum bars should be replaced after 5 years?
In one of Mel Allwood's books*, IIRC she suggests ANNUAL bar replacement. I will look for the reference later today, the book is in the library here, and I work in the building . . . ef Vancouver BC * it MIGHT be this one Maintaining Mountain Bikes The Do-it-yourself Guide *Allwood, Melanie*http://vpl.bibliocommons.com/search?q=%22Allwood%2C+Melanie%22search_category=authort=author (Book - 2010) On Monday, March 18, 2013 12:50:43 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: In a cool interview with Nitto exec Mr. Yoshikawa, Grant asks this question. Nitto exec leaves it up to consumer. So I was wondering if anything to be concerned about. Anyone know anything about aluminum bar life? Do I need to throw away the old used set of bars I have? Don't want any accidents. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: are there any true 700x40 plush, high tpi tires?
I have been eying the new Continental Speed-Ride, 700 X 42C, 420 grams. On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:32:52 PM UTC-7, Michael Williams wrote: Just wondering if anyone has come across any 700x40 tires that are higher tpi( 120). Im kind of imagining a Jack Brown Green but in 40mm size. But Im prolly just be dreaming. I know that Schwalbe makes a bunch of tires in that size range, and I like those tires, but they've always felt a bit sluggish to me. thanks in advance. -Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] are there any true 700x40 plush, high tpi tires?
The Panaracer Pasela 700x37 has a pretty high TPI casing. And it's a true 37mm when inflated, unlike most tyres that are several mm smaller than the size marked on the casing. I rather like them - I've been using them on a Surly LHT for quite a few years. On feel and visual inspection, the casing seems pretty much identical to that on the Pari-Moto 650bx38, though the tread on the Pasela is considerably thicker. On 21/03/13 15:32, Michael Williams wrote: Just wondering if anyone has come across any 700x40 tires that are higher tpi( 120). Im kind of imagining a Jack Brown Green but in 40mm size. But Im prolly just be dreaming. I know that Schwalbe makes a bunch of tires in that size range, and I like those tires, but they've always felt a bit sluggish to me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Please review this bell from Rivendell...
I hadn't fully appreciated the headset-spacer variant of the hammerstrike bell until your message, Michael - so, last weekend I picked one up and now am happy to give a full report. I have a 1 threadless Legolas which has long-suffered with another's (failed) tapped-spacer-mount, which had promptly stripped out due to inadequate material... This Crane headset-spacer version is a very nice, machined solid block that should give much better support over the miles. It is sized for 9/8, but comes with a nice, thick shim for 1 steerers - a good little widget in its own right to add to the tacklebox (I'm running a 1 1/8 Nitto lugged stem already on a good-n-tall spacer of it's own, so this was able to add onto the existing height). My only criticism is that could look a bit wonky when mixed into a stack of 1 and 9/8 bits (being oversize). This will not rotate when part of a tightened or compressed headset stack, under normal operating conditions. Just make sure your steerer is tall enough. I also have a headset-canti-brake-hanger-spacer in my setup, and this did not interfere with it (though the re-arrangement required an adjustment of overall brake cable length). The bell itself is well-made and effectively the same as the springy-dingy versions. RBW also offers a larger hammerstrike, but I haven't investigated if those are M5 mount (or not). http://tinyurl.com/co46hcs and http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bellhed.htm =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA On 3/13/13, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: Was thinking of getting this. *http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bellhed.htm*http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bellhed.htm My only concern is I think it doesn't rotate around the steerer tube, so one would have to know exactly where you want it facing before cranking down on the headset locknut. I can rehearse that with my regular bell before installing. The price is very nice. I have lotsa room for it on the sterrer tube/headset. Let me know if you have it and like it, and if anything to think twice about before attempting installation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: are there any true 700x40 plush, high tpi tires?
TPI (threads per inch) by itself doesn't really influence tire performance. We once tested a Grand Bois prototype with twice the TPI next to a standard tire, on the track, and found that both required the same power output. The twice the TPI tire never was introduced. Instead, Grand Bois and Panaracer went back to the drawing board, and designed the new Extra Leger tires, which truly are a big leap in terms of suppleness, comfort and (as far as the first indications go) speed. We still have to test these in a controlled setting... Back to TPI, it's a variable that is easy to quantify, but just like bike weight doesn't determine performance, TPI doesn't determine tire performance. These variables are somewhat correlated, because a lighter frame tends to be more lively, and a high-TPI casing tends to be more supple. But it's entirely possible to make a light bike or a high-TPI tire that performs poorly. Jan Heine Compass Bicycles Ltd. 2116 Western Ave. Seattle WA 98121 http://www.compasscycle.com Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Another dirt road exploration.
Nice images Mike - looks like you could just pedal for days and days. - Jim / cyclofiend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] WTB: Stoker Bar for kid on back rack; Yepp Mini
Looking for a seat post mounting clamp to add a stoker bar to the back of my wife's bike. We will have her straight bars we can add to it if needed (standard MTB diameter) as we are getting her Bosco bars. Also, if anyone has a Yepp mini or similar front mount kid seat, that would be wonderful. Please reply off list. Thanks! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Another dirt road exploration.
Rain? Wow. What is that? Is that like snow that melts in the air? Grin. Looks like a luscious wet sloppy wonderful ride! With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:17:45 AM UTC-6, Mike wrote: My friend Ed and I got out yesterday for another dirt road exploration yesterday, again on our singlespeeds. We took the Max train out to Hillsboro from Portland where we headed into Banks for a few miles on the Banks Vernonia trail before getting onto some rural gravel backroads. Due to the wet weather we didn't have to contend with dust or even thick mud, just rim eating fine grime. The road we were exploring was Strassel Rd which was pretty nice. While it was steep in parts and forced us to walk here and there, it would be no problem on a geared bike. There was very little traffic and no rabid dogs. It was definitely beautiful in spots but as always when on back roads heading out to the coast, sections of clearcut here and there which are rather depressing. We enjoyed a nice descent on Strassel Rd which spilled us out onto Timber Rd where we resumed climbing although with no need to walk. Timber Rd is fantastic, probably one of my favorite roads in the area although just far enough away that I don't ride it too often. There was minimal traffic which included a few logging trucks but they generally gave us a wide berth. We rode into Vernonia for coffee and lunch and then returned to Hillsboro via the 18 mile Banks Vernonia trail and then back roads. The proof: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157633053478798/with/8576784877/ I definitely want to do some more exploration into the coast range as spring moves along. There's definitely a lot of potential for dirt road rambles although without a car there's just no way of avoiding long days on the road which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Oh, same as last week. Neither of us were on Rivs but there were plenty of RBW purchased accessories. I wouldn't hesitate to do this ride on my Hilsen. I just ended up riding the SS again in solidarity with Ed whose geared bike (Rawland) isn't running. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: RivReader asks if aluminum bars should be replaced after 5 years?
Lots of salient points in this thread - particularly about finite cycles to failure of aluminum. I'll only add a couple thoughts that I keep in my head: - Aluminum bends well - once. Maybe twice. - Consider where your teeth sit in relation to your handlebar and stem. - There is no price for piece of mind. A few years ago, when I decided to stop my quickbeam by placing my index finger between the handlebar and a suddenly-opened car door, my Nitto bar actually didn't bend all that much. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/3675517009/in/photostream/ I actually had to force myself to cut it so I would not reuse it down the road. But, I do expect my rigs to ramble over a variety of terrain, and there is cyclical load involved. I use a bright light and magnifying lens every few months when I clean things. But, I've had worse luck with cranksets than I ever have had with bars. Which is where I think I'd like to see some steel. http://ramblings.cyclofiend.com/?p=399 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/2089364757/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/3950425015/ - Jim / cyclofiend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Bikes of the Month (Bike of the Months?)
Ha! ;^) Joe - thanks for supplying the actual facts in the case! - J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Bikes of the Month (Bike of the Months?)
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: Ha! ;^) Joe - thanks for supplying the actual facts in the case! Better keep your eyes on BOM, Jim. I hear they're doing a 59 Legolas soon, or did you already order one? (kidding) jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Bikes of the Month (Bike of the Months?)
mfifty-nine Legolas..mmm On Thursday, March 21, 2013 9:39:37 AM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote: On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclo...@earthlink.net javascript: wrote: Ha! ;^) Joe - thanks for supplying the actual facts in the case! Better keep your eyes on BOM, Jim. I hear they're doing a 59 Legolas soon, or did you already order one? (kidding) jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres vs Nifty Swifty
For 32s I bought the Hutchinson 650B Confriere directly from Europe for under $40 each. Toshi On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Brian labrecque_br...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, I tried the Hetres and the ride is sweet, but when I put together my Sam, I built it around 32s and don't have room for much else with the fenders I 'm using. On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:18:16 AM UTC-4, Earl Grey wrote: Get Hetres. They will spoil you for all other tires. They will actually improve ride quality, won't increase rolling resistance noticeably (or may even lower it on rough roads), will last much longer (3-4000miles?) and will be much more flat resistant simply because they are wider and are thus run at lower pressure. Gernot (who wishes his 56cm Sam had 650b wheels so he could run Hetres, but who has them on another bike) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Latest and greatest HC poster art
Jeez, I love this one. http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2013/03/2013-hc-poster.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Latest and greatest HC poster art
Congratulations, Jim. That is a splendid poster for Hiawatha Cyclery. On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:02:34 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Jeez, I love this one. http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2013/03/2013-hc-poster.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bombadil v. 2.0 and new Fatty Rumpkins
Jonathan That is an excellent question that probably deserves its own thread. I have opinions about horizontal dropouts, and I'm sure many of the members of the list have different views. It could be a really interesting discussion. I encourage you to start that thread. Bill On Thursday, March 21, 2013 8:05:15 AM UTC-7, Jonathan Poor wrote: This leads me to ask a question I've had for a while: What ever happened to the early Riv devotion to horizontal dropouts? I guess I'd prefer I nice long dropout to either of these mentioned options! On Monday, March 18, 2013 11:35:53 PM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I'll take the excellent Rohloff chain tensioner over some cheesy eccentric BB any day. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Latest and greatest HC poster art
very nice! On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:05 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations, Jim. That is a splendid poster for Hiawatha Cyclery. On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:02:34 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Jeez, I love this one. http://hiawathacyclery.**blogspot.com/2013/03/2013-hc-**poster.htmlhttp://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2013/03/2013-hc-poster.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: RivReader asks if aluminum bars should be replaced after 5 years?
On Monday, March 18, 2013 8:50:43 PM UTC+1, Michael wrote: In a cool interview with Nitto exec Mr. Yoshikawa, Grant asks this question. Nitto exec leaves it up to consumer. So I was wondering if anything to be concerned about. Anyone know anything about aluminum bar life? Do I need to throw away the old used set of bars I have? Don't want any accidents. I can't give a definitive answer when to scrap your bars, but accidents do happen with old aluminium bars. An older guy I just spoke to became very concerned with this after a close friend of his had advanced facial surgery after his handlebar snapped. He fell straight on his face and got multiple scull/face fractures. Anecdotal evidence often are misleading, you really need proper statistics in the end, but his handlebars were quite old, 30-40 years (seventies bike, original bars). I'm quite sure failing old bars is a rare occurance, but I'm beginning to think about applying the same kind of attitude towards handlebars that I have on forks and helmets - that is that even if it's extremely rare with such accidents, the consequences can be severe if your fork brakes or you hit your head. This in turn means my bikes have steel forks, and I wear a helmet almost always when biking. I will definitely stay away from older exclusive/vintage lightweight bars. Johan, Sweden -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Saluki Brake / Rack Mating Question
On Sunday, March 17, 2013 5:28:17 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote: I recently bought an almost new Saluki, advertised on this site. There should have been a bidding war for this bike, but that's another question. This bike is drop dead gorgeous and I am looking forward to the end of Mud Season here in Vermont to take it out on the road. Meanwhile I have been working on a few, unfortunately, necessary changes. The stem / TT combination is too long for me and unfortunately had to be changed out from a beautiful Nitto Pearl. That went straight forward. But the brake rack combination has created some perplexity. The bike came with a pair of Tektro brakes, identical to the ones RIV sells, except a high polish finish; and a VO rack Michael - This might be too late, but is this what you had in mind? file://localhost/Users/philbickford/Desktop/Saluki%20Frt%201.jpg Phil B -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Bullmoose on a Homer Hilsen? Opinions please!
I think a bullmoose bar on a Hilsen would be delightful. The slick setup is to get the hinged Soma Thumbie shifter pods from Riv and run them inboard of the V of the bullmoose extension. That leaves all the outboard real estate for the brakelevers and acres of cloth tape. I've got bullmoose as the alternate cockpit for my Bombadil, but I haven't gotten around to setting that up again. On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 6:42:36 PM UTC-7, Eric wrote: Curious about the bunch's opinion/recommendations about Bullmoose bars on a Homer Hilsen. I was thinking about some Albatross bars in an alternative to Noodle bars but Bullmoose look pretty cool. I'm just not sure about functionality, ect. I would definately throw Bullmoose bars on a Hunqapillar but I haven't had the opportunity to score one yet. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Latest and greatest HC poster art
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:02:34 PM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Jeez, I love this one. http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2013/03/2013-hc-poster.html I can definitely see why! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Latest and greatest HC poster art
I love it! It looks to be a nice sister piece to Enjoy the Ride. http://adamturman.com/display_details.php?page=12image=499 Otherwise known as HC 2010. Stephen On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:02:34 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Jeez, I love this one. http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2013/03/2013-hc-poster.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Saluki Brake / Rack Mating Question
Thanks Phil, but I can't open that link. I'm currently finishing up a big home improvement project then expecting to be away for two weeks, so not moving forward on bike projects with any speed. For now I have implemented the spacer solution. When I return from vacation I will offer my Ebisu for sale with a small Nitto rack. If it doesn't sell as a whole i will break it up into pieces, put the nitto on the saluki and sell the VO rack. I'll also be selling my '83 Trek 620. Michael On Thursday, March 21, 2013 1:59:49 PM UTC-4, Phil Bickford wrote: On Sunday, March 17, 2013 5:28:17 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote: I recently bought an almost new Saluki, advertised on this site. There should have been a bidding war for this bike, but that's another question. This bike is drop dead gorgeous and I am looking forward to the end of Mud Season here in Vermont to take it out on the road. Meanwhile I have been working on a few, unfortunately, necessary changes. The stem / TT combination is too long for me and unfortunately had to be changed out from a beautiful Nitto Pearl. That went straight forward. But the brake rack combination has created some perplexity. The bike came with a pair of Tektro brakes, identical to the ones RIV sells, except a high polish finish; and a VO rack Michael - This might be too late, but is this what you had in mind? file://localhost/Users/philbickford/Desktop/Saluki%20Frt%201.jpg Phil B -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Another dirt road exploration.
That is a beautiful area where you live, but I am sure evidence of clear-cutting is depressing to see. Your ride reports are excellent... What tires were you fellows using? Ryan in Winnipeg where spring seems, alas, far away:) My single-speed adventures are a bit more urban and somewhat shorter in nature. I am running my old PX-10 with 700 X 35C Paselas (more like 33.3) but I can't have the fat tires and fenders due to tight clearances; esp. with the not OEM Tange (I think) fork. For bars and stem I'm using Nitto deluxe with my beloved Moustache bars...I can do this with the aforementioned fork...the stock fork is stripped, which, all in all , is not a tragedy On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:17:45 AM UTC-5, Mike wrote: My friend Ed and I got out yesterday for another dirt road exploration yesterday, again on our singlespeeds. We took the Max train out to Hillsboro from Portland where we headed into Banks for a few miles on the Banks Vernonia trail before getting onto some rural gravel backroads. Due to the wet weather we didn't have to contend with dust or even thick mud, just rim eating fine grime. The road we were exploring was Strassel Rd which was pretty nice. While it was steep in parts and forced us to walk here and there, it would be no problem on a geared bike. There was very little traffic and no rabid dogs. It was definitely beautiful in spots but as always when on back roads heading out to the coast, sections of clearcut here and there which are rather depressing. We enjoyed a nice descent on Strassel Rd which spilled us out onto Timber Rd where we resumed climbing although with no need to walk. Timber Rd is fantastic, probably one of my favorite roads in the area although just far enough away that I don't ride it too often. There was minimal traffic which included a few logging trucks but they generally gave us a wide berth. We rode into Vernonia for coffee and lunch and then returned to Hillsboro via the 18 mile Banks Vernonia trail and then back roads. The proof: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157633053478798/with/8576784877/ I definitely want to do some more exploration into the coast range as spring moves along. There's definitely a lot of potential for dirt road rambles although without a car there's just no way of avoiding long days on the road which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Oh, same as last week. Neither of us were on Rivs but there were plenty of RBW purchased accessories. I wouldn't hesitate to do this ride on my Hilsen. I just ended up riding the SS again in solidarity with Ed whose geared bike (Rawland) isn't running. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Latest and greatest HC poster art
Nice work! I'm in; gotta keep the collection going. Hmmm...I think I need to displace something off the wall of my office to make room. dougP On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:02:34 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Jeez, I love this one. http://hiawathacyclery.blogspot.com/2013/03/2013-hc-poster.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Saluki Brake / Rack Mating Question
How about this? http://www.flickr.com/photos/55586106@N00/8579018658/in/photostream -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: FS 68cm Quickbeam
Well, luckily for your Quickbeam retention plan, I'm tapped out after building my Hilsen or else this bike would be mine. Really miss my Quickbeam. Such a great bike. Good luck with selling it?... or keeping it unsold?... just good luck! On Monday, March 18, 2013 10:42:30 PM UTC-5, Kelly wrote: One 68cm Quickbeam complete bike with extra set of wheels. Stock crank Shimano dyno hub and lights Sks fenders Jack browns Dirt drop and mustache bars Nitto seat post ... Front rack and Berthould bag Everything in the photos but the saddle The photos are high resolution that will tell the full story..the bike needs to be cleaned and dusted Why I'm selling Not sure and kinda asorta hope nobody takes me up on it ... Will buy more stuff basically, just repaired Bombadil and would like to reprint build AHH How much... 2100.00 With up to 100 dollars in freight and boxing.If you want to return after getting it..3 days after recieving to decide you pay freight both ways. That should cover it. Photos taken today http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157633031703828/ Note: Price is non- negotiable unless you want to pay more. It will not got to eBay or haver ice dropped .. I'll get to keep. I can be reached at Kelly Sleeper 314-799-4743 tksl...@gmail.com javascript: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Grand Bois Cypres vs Nifty Swifty
When I went to the Somas, I had to re-do my fenders, because the stays were cut a bit short.. Bought new fender stays and spent a very long afternoon resetting everything. The bike itself was not the limiting factor. On Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:38:20 AM UTC-7, Brian wrote: HI, I built up my Sam H. with the GB's (650B x 32) and love the ride they provide but I need to replace them. I'd get the GB's again but they did seem to wear a bit fast and I anticipate more commuting this season so a sturdy tire would be preferable unless it will really compromise the quality of the ride. It's why I am considering the Nifty S. Anyone have any thoughts? Any other 650 x 32-33 besides these and the maxy fastys. Thanks Brian -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] 56 Riv Road on 'bay
How cool is this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Custom-Road-Bike-56cm-/160994605871?pt=Road_Bikeshash=item257c06bb2f Now how to fake my own death and collect the insurance... Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] 56 Riv Road on 'bay
Beautiful bike! On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 5:19 PM, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: How cool is this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Custom-Road-Bike-56cm-/160994605871?pt=Road_Bikeshash=item257c06bb2f Now how to fake my own death and collect the insurance... Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Latest and greatest HC poster art
Thanks to all who ordered so far. Doug P, I have you on the list. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 56 Riv Road on 'bay
Thank God that it's not my size!!! On Thursday, March 21, 2013 5:19:56 PM UTC-7, rcnute wrote: How cool is this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Custom-Road-Bike-56cm-/160994605871?pt=Road_Bikeshash=item257c06bb2f Now how to fake my own death and collect the insurance... Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Beautiful 52cm custom on ebay
Glad to hear the TCO isn't a problem! That's always my first concern when I see a smaller frame, but leave it to Rivendell to minimize or even eliminate that concern! On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 6:23 PM, djbardwil djbard...@gmail.com wrote: It's nice to be able to post the results of a winter build project on the last day of winter. While I still await the arrival of my Berthoud Trunk bag for the rear rack and Berthoud tire bag for the Dia Compe mini rack, the bike is complete enough for a first ride. It will need a tweak here and there on the saddle and the lights but overall, it is such a great ride. My fear of severe toe overlap was overblown as I did not have a single incident of contact unless I actually tried, and under hard turning with toes unnaturally pointing down. I think some of the contributing factors may be the 165mm cranks, 30mm ties with correspondingly lower tire profile, allowing me to bring the fenders in a bit. Looking forward to spring! On Monday, January 21, 2013 3:18:23 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Nice as is, but begs for a 650B conversion: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/** eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=**200882676560ssPageName=ADME:**B:SS:US:1123http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200882676560ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 56 Riv Road on 'bay
Actually, the listed size is questionable. The tt is 55.5, and the headtube makes the bike look like a 54. On Thursday, March 21, 2013 5:58:45 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote: Thank God that it's not my size!!! On Thursday, March 21, 2013 5:19:56 PM UTC-7, rcnute wrote: How cool is this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Custom-Road-Bike-56cm-/160994605871?pt=Road_Bikeshash=item257c06bb2f Now how to fake my own death and collect the insurance... Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 56 Riv Road on 'bay
On Thursday, March 21, 2013 5:19:56 PM UTC-7, rcnute wrote: How cool is this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Custom-Road-Bike-56cm-/160994605871?pt=Road_Bikeshash=item257c06bb2f Now how to fake my own death and collect the insurance... Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Another dirt road exploration.
Hey Ryan, I was riding 700x38 Schwalbe Marathons and they worked fine. Ed was on some kind of 700x40 Specialized tire. Hope it's not too long before spring springs. --mike On Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:22:47 PM UTC-7, Ryan wrote: That is a beautiful area where you live, but I am sure evidence of clear-cutting is depressing to see. Your ride reports are excellent... What tires were you fellows using? Ryan in Winnipeg where spring seems, alas, far away:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Another dirt road exploration.
Mike, I've got to say that I always enjoy ride reports and yours did what a good ride report should do inspire! I now feel inspired to get out for a good ride! Except, on mine I won't be riding in such natural beauty even with the clear cuts it's amazing. On another note, riding a SS is nice on post ride clean up :) Thanks for a great report. Looking to your next report. Hugh Sunland, CA On Thursday, March 21, 2013 8:17:45 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote: My friend Ed and I got out yesterday for another dirt road exploration yesterday, again on our singlespeeds. We took the Max train out to Hillsboro from Portland where we headed into Banks for a few miles on the Banks Vernonia trail before getting onto some rural gravel backroads. Due to the wet weather we didn't have to contend with dust or even thick mud, just rim eating fine grime. The road we were exploring was Strassel Rd which was pretty nice. While it was steep in parts and forced us to walk here and there, it would be no problem on a geared bike. There was very little traffic and no rabid dogs. It was definitely beautiful in spots but as always when on back roads heading out to the coast, sections of clearcut here and there which are rather depressing. We enjoyed a nice descent on Strassel Rd which spilled us out onto Timber Rd where we resumed climbing although with no need to walk. Timber Rd is fantastic, probably one of my favorite roads in the area although just far enough away that I don't ride it too often. There was minimal traffic which included a few logging trucks but they generally gave us a wide berth. We rode into Vernonia for coffee and lunch and then returned to Hillsboro via the 18 mile Banks Vernonia trail and then back roads. The proof: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157633053478798/with/8576784877/ I definitely want to do some more exploration into the coast range as spring moves along. There's definitely a lot of potential for dirt road rambles although without a car there's just no way of avoiding long days on the road which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Oh, same as last week. Neither of us were on Rivs but there were plenty of RBW purchased accessories. I wouldn't hesitate to do this ride on my Hilsen. I just ended up riding the SS again in solidarity with Ed whose geared bike (Rawland) isn't running. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 56 Riv Road on 'bay
Just beautiful! I don't need another bicycle Repeat: I don't need another bicycle Repeat: I don't need another bicycle Repeat: I don't need another bicycle Damm its not working! Wife saw me looking at it That worked:) Hugh Sunland, CA On Thursday, March 21, 2013 5:19:56 PM UTC-7, rcnute wrote: How cool is this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Custom-Road-Bike-56cm-/160994605871?pt=Road_Bikeshash=item257c06bb2f Now how to fake my own death and collect the insurance... Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] More yummy fat road bike tires on the market
Brian/stonehog I put the tires on tonight. Mavic Open Pro rims. They were snug, but nothing crazy. No tire levers, bare hand install. They look fantastic on the bike and I didn't even have to tweak my sks plastic fenders. On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:31:05 AM UTC-7, William wrote: Brian Thanks for the heads up/warning. I will let you know how easy or hard it is to mount these tires. On Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:08:40 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote: Let me know how you manage to actually mount them :) I had a heck of a time getting one on an A23 rim, and decided to return them. I couldn't see dealing with a puncture in the wild with such a tight tire. Cypres, brother. Cypres... Brian Seattle, WA On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:41 PM, William tape...@gmail.com wrote: I just ordered a pair of Challenge Eroica tires from Black Mountain Cycles. It's crazy how many great looking supple fat road tires there are now. These are 700x30 and look like they'd be a great choice for a Ram or Roadeo. Mike Varley does a nice ride report on his Black Mountain Cycles blog. We are in a golden age of awesome tire choices. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] More yummy fat road bike tires on the market
Success! Let me know how they ride? On the A23s I had one bead on with tire levers and talc, and when I tried to push the tube in under the tire, I felt like I was going to pinch flat it just forcing it in. That said, I never tried stretching it beforehand. Perhaps it would have helped. Brian Hanson On Mar 21, 2013, at 8:26 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Brian/stonehog I put the tires on tonight. Mavic Open Pro rims. They were snug, but nothing crazy. No tire levers, bare hand install. They look fantastic on the bike and I didn't even have to tweak my sks plastic fenders. On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:31:05 AM UTC-7, William wrote: Brian Thanks for the heads up/warning. I will let you know how easy or hard it is to mount these tires. On Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:08:40 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote: Let me know how you manage to actually mount them :) I had a heck of a time getting one on an A23 rim, and decided to return them. I couldn't see dealing with a puncture in the wild with such a tight tire. Cypres, brother. Cypres... Brian Seattle, WA On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 2:41 PM, William tape...@gmail.com wrote: I just ordered a pair of Challenge Eroica tires from Black Mountain Cycles. It's crazy how many great looking supple fat road tires there are now. These are 700x30 and look like they'd be a great choice for a Ram or Roadeo. Mike Varley does a nice ride report on his Black Mountain Cycles blog. We are in a golden age of awesome tire choices. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Latest and greatest HC poster art
Here's a direct link to the poster-buying page, if that's remotely helpful. http://bit.ly/hcposter2013 Philip www.biketinker.com On Thursday, March 21, 2013 5:55:41 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Thanks to all who ordered so far. Doug P, I have you on the list. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Horizontal Drop outs??? was: Bombadil v. 2.0 and new Fatty Rumpkins
As was suggested by William I'm starting a new thread with the question Jonathan posted below. I hope Jonathan won't mind. I'm interested in this question as well because, well... I'd simply like to know more about this topic. Anyone have anything to add? Aaron Young Vancouver, WA On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Jonathan Poor jpoorra...@aol.com wrote: This leads me to ask a question I've had for a while: What ever happened to the early Riv devotion to horizontal dropouts? I guess I'd prefer I nice long dropout to either of these mentioned options! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Imprompt Mixed Terrain Ride- Diablo style
Riding road up to juniper then dirt back. There will be creek crossings, dirt jumps, single tracking and good times. http://goo.gl/maps/PHeI0 Meet at 900ish at Walnut Creek Bart in the morning. Let me know if you plan to go. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] This belong to anyone?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=160994063674 Tempting! -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Another dirt road exploration.
This looks like a great diversion from Rando this year, Mike. Nice roads! Brian Hanson Seattle, WA On Mar 21, 2013, at 8:17 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: My friend Ed and I got out yesterday for another dirt road exploration yesterday, again on our singlespeeds. We took the Max train out to Hillsboro from Portland where we headed into Banks for a few miles on the Banks Vernonia trail before getting onto some rural gravel backroads. Due to the wet weather we didn't have to contend with dust or even thick mud, just rim eating fine grime. The road we were exploring was Strassel Rd which was pretty nice. While it was steep in parts and forced us to walk here and there, it would be no problem on a geared bike. There was very little traffic and no rabid dogs. It was definitely beautiful in spots but as always when on back roads heading out to the coast, sections of clearcut here and there which are rather depressing. We enjoyed a nice descent on Strassel Rd which spilled us out onto Timber Rd where we resumed climbing although with no need to walk. Timber Rd is fantastic, probably one of my favorite roads in the area although just far enough away that I don't ride it too often. There was minimal traffic which included a few logging trucks but they generally gave us a wide berth. We rode into Vernonia for coffee and lunch and then returned to Hillsboro via the 18 mile Banks Vernonia trail and then back roads. The proof: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157633053478798/with/8576784877/ I definitely want to do some more exploration into the coast range as spring moves along. There's definitely a lot of potential for dirt road rambles although without a car there's just no way of avoiding long days on the road which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Oh, same as last week. Neither of us were on Rivs but there were plenty of RBW purchased accessories. I wouldn't hesitate to do this ride on my Hilsen. I just ended up riding the SS again in solidarity with Ed whose geared bike (Rawland) isn't running. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 56 Riv Road on 'bay
I'd love to know what color it really is. Some pics show Petty Blue, some Powder Blue. Quite a bit of difference between the two. On Thursday, March 21, 2013 5:19:56 PM UTC-7, rcnute wrote: How cool is this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Custom-Road-Bike-56cm-/160994605871?pt=Road_Bikeshash=item257c06bb2f Now how to fake my own death and collect the insurance... Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Horizontal Drop outs??? was: Bombadil v. 2.0 and new Fatty Rumpkins
I think horizontals are only on Rivendell customs, and then only when asked for. I don't believe any of their production bikes have ever had horizontal or semi-horizontal. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Aaron Young 1ce...@gmail.com wrote: As was suggested by William I'm starting a new thread with the question Jonathan posted below. I hope Jonathan won't mind. I'm interested in this question as well because, well... I'd simply like to know more about this topic. Anyone have anything to add? Aaron Young Vancouver, WA On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Jonathan Poor jpoorra...@aol.com wrote: This leads me to ask a question I've had for a while: What ever happened to the early Riv devotion to horizontal dropouts? I guess I'd prefer I nice long dropout to either of these mentioned options! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Horizontal Drop outs??? was: Bombadil v. 2.0 and new Fatty Rumpkins
Quickbeams and Simple Ones being the exception of course. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 10:11 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: I think horizontals are only on Rivendell customs, and then only when asked for. I don't believe any of their production bikes have ever had horizontal or semi-horizontal. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Aaron Young 1ce...@gmail.com wrote: As was suggested by William I'm starting a new thread with the question Jonathan posted below. I hope Jonathan won't mind. I'm interested in this question as well because, well... I'd simply like to know more about this topic. Anyone have anything to add? Aaron Young Vancouver, WA On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Jonathan Poor jpoorra...@aol.comwrote: This leads me to ask a question I've had for a while: What ever happened to the early Riv devotion to horizontal dropouts? I guess I'd prefer I nice long dropout to either of these mentioned options! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Horizontal Drop outs??? was: Bombadil v. 2.0 and new Fatty Rumpkins
I prefer verticals for derailer bicycles. Easier to pop the wheel back in, and a better fender-line. On horizontal bikes the fender has to be spaced further forward of the rear tire to make room to slide the wheel out. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:11:55 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Quickbeams and Simple Ones being the exception of course. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 10:11 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I think horizontals are only on Rivendell customs, and then only when asked for. I don't believe any of their production bikes have ever had horizontal or semi-horizontal. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Aaron Young 1ce...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: As was suggested by William I'm starting a new thread with the question Jonathan posted below. I hope Jonathan won't mind. I'm interested in this question as well because, well... I'd simply like to know more about this topic. Anyone have anything to add? Aaron Young Vancouver, WA On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Jonathan Poor jpoor...@aol.comjavascript: wrote: This leads me to ask a question I've had for a while: What ever happened to the early Riv devotion to horizontal dropouts? I guess I'd prefer I nice long dropout to either of these mentioned options! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -*Mark Twain* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Horizontal Drop outs??? was: Bombadil v. 2.0 and new Fatty Rumpkins
Horizontal dropouts were standard on the Reynolds 753 models (road standard and perhaps the all rounder) my guess is that was what waterford was using at the time. Jason On Mar 21, 2013, at 10:11 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I think horizontals are only on Rivendell customs, and then only when asked for. I don't believe any of their production bikes have ever had horizontal or semi-horizontal. On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Aaron Young 1ce...@gmail.com wrote: As was suggested by William I'm starting a new thread with the question Jonathan posted below. I hope Jonathan won't mind. I'm interested in this question as well because, well... I'd simply like to know more about this topic. Anyone have anything to add? Aaron Young Vancouver, WA On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Jonathan Poor jpoorra...@aol.com wrote: This leads me to ask a question I've had for a while: What ever happened to the early Riv devotion to horizontal dropouts? I guess I'd prefer I nice long dropout to either of these mentioned options! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA ** Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. -Mark Twain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
