[RBW] SoCal Summer Rides

[cyclotourist]

I started this conversation over on flickr if anyone wants to throw some
ideas out there.

http://www.flickr.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_society/discuss/72157633499193066/

The San Clemente ride is a great intro to mixed-terrain riding, so that
might be a good one to settle on. Santa Monica/Dirt Mulholland is a step or
two more challenging due to all the climbing involved. The SART and Big
Bear rides are verging on mountain bike rides, although I have rode my Rivy
on them plenty (but with knobbies) and lived to tell the tale.

Lets get something going!

Cheers,
David

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[RBW] For Sale: Lovingly Used Burley Piccolo with two racks

[William]

It's a kind of proud and bittersweet moment to admit that my two babies are 
big enough that we won't be using the Burley Piccolo anymore.  Anyhow, the 
Burley Piccolo is the nicest of the trail-a-bike style kid tandem 
converters.  You can go buy a new one at REI for $360, or you can take 
mine.  It's blue, and has a six speed grip shifter.  It comes with a second 
rack, so you could run it on two bikes.  Two of yours, or yours and 
somebody else's.  The extra rack went for another $100 when I got it.  
Anyway, I'd like to sell this locally in the greater Bay Area and I'd like 
to get $250 for the Piccolo with two racks.  If you want me to explain why 
this is the nicest of the trail-a-bikes or have any questions.  Drop me a 
line.  There are a half-dozen photos on my flickr.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/8740557902/in/photostream

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Re: [RBW] Devil's slide tunnel

[Anne Paulson]

http://www.milly.org/hkingman/resume/potar.htm


On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 8:24 PM, dougP  wrote:

> For those of us out of the area, what is the Planet of the Apes route?  I
> may ride from San Francisco south this summer & an alternate to the Devil's
> Slide area would be neat.  For some silly reason I assumed The Old Road
> would be available for cycling as soon as the tunnel opened.
>
> dougP
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:24:41 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
>> How much of the road does the tunnel bypass? When I went through there a
>> few years ago, it looked like the tunnel started half way up the hill, so
>> you'd have to ride on the narrow busy road to get there. We went through at
>> rush hour. I thought I was going to die.
>>
>> Planet of the Apes for me next time.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Way Rebb  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Has anyone been down around the devil's slide area since the tunnel
>>> opened?  I might be taking the Hillborne down to HMB or SC next week for a
>>> few days.  It'd be nice to see the old coast road with no traffic!
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Re: [RBW] Another casual Saturday ride in So Cal

[dougP]

Rene:

Yes, it's a Tom Matchak fork, 40 mm trail.  E-mail direct if you have 
questions. Please don't let this start yet another trail thread.  

Thanks for the thoughts on the rack.  Rackage'n'baggage are much more 
interesting topics than frame geometry.  

dougP

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:43:39 AM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> That Atlantis seems to have a custom fork. What is it?
>
>
> I like how the rack looks on the bike as well. Nice photos!
>
> René  
>
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Re: [RBW] Devil's slide tunnel

[dougP]

For those of us out of the area, what is the Planet of the Apes route?  I 
may ride from San Francisco south this summer & an alternate to the Devil's 
Slide area would be neat.  For some silly reason I assumed The Old Road 
would be available for cycling as soon as the tunnel opened.

dougP

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:24:41 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> How much of the road does the tunnel bypass? When I went through there a 
> few years ago, it looked like the tunnel started half way up the hill, so 
> you'd have to ride on the narrow busy road to get there. We went through at 
> rush hour. I thought I was going to die.
>
> Planet of the Apes for me next time.
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Way Rebb  >wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Has anyone been down around the devil's slide area since the tunnel 
>> opened?  I might be taking the Hillborne down to HMB or SC next week for a 
>> few days.  It'd be nice to see the old coast road with no traffic!   
>>  
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[RBW] Dry bag packing atop Nitto Rack

[BSWP]

I'm finalizing my gear for a trip that starts this weekend, and am finally 
getting to how I'll carry m'stuff. I have an old Carradice saddle bag that 
swings from my saddle, and I'm fitting a rear rack so I can strap a bag 
between Carradice and rack. It seems like a basic roll-top dry bag, 15 or 
20 liter size, will be about perfect.

Any comments on traveling out of a dry bag? I think I can use a thin 
plastic cutting board, trimmed to size, to give the bag some flat-bottom 
form.

- Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on going upright....

[Michael]

>
> @Jeremy,
>
Thanks for the great write up!
I love your saddle. The specials are too cool with the copper studs.
Those handlebars look better in your pics than on the Rivsite. Yummy.
 
I was wondering if the Flyer works for bolt upright sitting. I see it 
does, so I won't worry about needing a B67 when I try upright bars.
I have a Flyer on my Sam now.
 
I am thinking of trying an Alba set up on my Sam or Bleriot sometime. Maybe 
this summer if the wife gets me a Rivcertificate for my birthday. 

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[RBW] OT: found some great everyday/bicycle riding shirts for tall people

[Scot Brooks]

Just got back from a ride with my lovely new MUSA shorts (which are 
obviously good) and my new favorite summer shirt, the tall version of the REI 
Sahara 
Shirt.
 
The tall version (which is even available in small) is good for not having 
plumbers crack while riding and they have cool fancy vents. They also have 
little straps and buttons that keep the sleeves rolled up when you want 
that. Apparently they're going on sale on Friday according to an REI email 
I got. Sort of a bummer I already bought one, but that's life. Just thought 
it was worth sharing. 

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[RBW] Re: Devil's slide tunnel

[Way Rebb]

I found some YouTube videos. H1 north bound doesn't look to bad.  The road 
is normal, meaning no narrower than many other sections of the coast, and 
the tunnel bypasses the worst of it.  South bound the tunnel starts at the 
top of the climb out of Pacifica with...ta da...concrete barriers and the 
tunnel ends with...ta da...concrete barriers!  They did leave about .0043 
inches between the white line and the barriers though.  :)

I've ridden the Craters of the Moon trail many times, I should say pushed 
COTM trail many times, but it gets kinda old though with a load of stuff 
clanking around on the Hillborne.  We're getting closer to a nice north 
south route through that area (yes, the climb out of Pacifica is nice.) 
 The barriers might be gone by summer.  I think I'll try it then.

-Ray

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[RBW] FS, Nitto Honjo Campi etc

[JL]

Hello all 

(sorry for the cross post)

I have a few items for sale - all prices include shipping in CONUSA.  I 
don't mind shipping internationally lets work something out.

Nitto Technomic deluxe - 80mm - VGC $50
Nitto Technomic deluxe - 100mm - VGC $50

Campagnolo NR Headset (loose ball, threaded 1 inch, early 80s) will last 
forever. Great Shape $60

Mr. Tuffy for 559 to 584 wide tires - $7

Sugino 75 BB Spindle ISO (campy) 109mm VGC -$25
Specialized cup and cone 68mm BB 114.5 ISO spindle - $25

27inch wheels 120mm campy rear hub(5 speed)  normandy front hub $20 in 
person only
Nitto 115 classic bar 45cm - $40 in person only
Honjo 700x45 hammered fenders w/stays -$60 in person only

I am happy to send pics.

Email offlist please.

Thanks
Jason Leach
SF,CA

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[RBW] Re: Long commute in the PNW- advice?

[Deacon Patrick]

My main input on weather is go with ventile. My single layer jacket kept me 
perfectly warm though damp in 6 hours of driven rain, snell, and heavy wet 
snow. I will be ordering a double ventile jacket from Hilltrek (the Glencoe), 
which by all accounts should also keep my arms from getting heavily damp and my 
core from getting slightly damp in all day rain. It breathes like cotton does, 
even when the outer layer has fully absorbed moisture, so no collection of 
dampness from exertion -- key on colder rides.

Not an inexpensive option in the short term, but it is amazingly durable (my 
single layer has been through brush, briers, brambles, and tree branches with 
aplumb). I expect mine to last me 30 years. Also, not light weight or compact, 
but at least for me, well worth it.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Any advice for a Riv-friendly (roof) bicycle rack?

[Michael Hechmer]

Towing with my Prius would also void my warranty, but the hitch I have is 
rated for 2 bikes only, and once I added the Saris attachment there is no 
possibility of towing anything but bicycles. As I said, I carry my tandem 
on the roof out of necessity but would never go back to a roof mount for 
singles.
A hitch doesn't cost any more than a Thule or Yakima rack.
Michael

On Sunday, May 12, 2013 8:09:26 PM UTC-4, Pierre wrote:
>
> Thanks everybody. I've checked out the Thule Criterium at REI, looks very 
> well designed.
>
> I consider that hitch mounted bicycle racks are a better solution, by far 
> (easy loading/unloading, accommodate virtually any bike, most will even 
> tilt to access trunk, safe...).
>
> The only downside I found (noted by some above) is that if you have 
> baskets (even the small Wald wire one), it can get crowded.
>
>
> Anyway, owners manual say towing with our Jetta sportswagen TDI 
> (automatic) will void warranty. Apparently, this a new restriction with 
> 2013 models. Lawyer thing probably.
>
> Wording in unclear to me, is "having a tow bar installed and exclusively 
> used with a bike rack" (that's 40kg total max). considered "towing".
>
>
> Pierre.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: San Juan Islands Tour Advice

[Jan Heine]

There is some really good advice here. Generally, each island is unlikely 
to keep you occupied cycling for more than 1-2 days. Orcas indeed is best 
avoided in the summer.

A nice route would be to go from Seattle via Bainbridge Island to Pt. 
Townsend. The town is worth a trip by itself. From there, head over to 
Whidbey Island, which means you avoid the busy southern part. Then 
Anacortes and the islands. On the way back, go inland and take the old RSVP 
(an organized ride by the Cascade Bike Club) back to Seattle.

Seattle - Pt. Townsend is 60 miles or a day - it's quite hilly if you take 
back roads. Pt. Townsend to Anacortes is half a day. Anacortes - Seattle 
via the inland route is 100 miles, but not very hilly. That round-trip 
might occupy you for 10-14 days if you take your time and take in the 
sights. Plan a day in Pt. Townsend. If you run out of stuff to do, consider 
checking out the Canadian Gulf Islands. I found them lovely, and much less 
crowded.

Make sure you seek out good backroads on the legs off the San Juan islands. 
The main roads aren't much fun for cycling.

Final note: WA State Parks cannot turn you away if you arrive 
non-motorized, so they'll let you camp somewhere even if the campground is 
full and you have no reservation.
Final note 2: Ferries can be seriously behind schedule in the summer, but 
at least you'll get on with your bike, where cars may have to wait for a 
ferry or two until they get to the front of the line.

Jan Heine
Editor
Bicycle Quarterly
http://www.bikequarterly.com

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[RBW] Re: San Juan Islands Tour Advice

[Adam]

Thanks all. There are some great resources listed above and I've got some maps 
to order and some planning to do. I am now thinking of taking the amtrak to mt. 
Vernon or Bellingham and spending around 5 days cycling and ferrying around the 
islands. From there we'll aim to ride to Portland and hopefully have a few days 
to explore the city. Really appreciate all the insight and experience of the 
riv riders up north. 

Cheers,
Adam

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[RBW] Re: Long commute in the PNW- advice?

[Tim Tetrault]

Thanks all. I commute now, but my round trip is 8 miles, didn't mean to 
give off the impression I was just starting. I feel as though I'm in for a 
rude awakening, though, with over triple the mileage each way. Do you all 
have any gear recommendations that are your "non-negotiables"? 

Brian, your Hunq looks comfy. Thanks for the tips. 

I am on Schwalbe Mara Supremes right now but was thinking perhaps going to 
a Jack Brown (the kevlar version) to maybe give myself a couple more MPH 
than the 35mms/heavier tires. Seattle's streets can be pretty rough 
compared to some of the more manicured streets I've been on in the 'burbs 
and in the midwest. 

What about a good wheelset to survive the gritty winters? Right now I am 
running Veloc Dyads with LX hubs, 36 spoke- I wonder once they are run 
through I should consider a 32 spoke wheel? Any suggestions?

Jan Heine has written on how handlebar bags protect your legs from rain, 
anyone else care to comment. I know Velo Orange is set to come out with a 
larger bag (more affordable than the Berthouds) I am mostly discouraged 
about having a potential technical failure in the winter, and just freezing 
and getting soaked there and back and having to do it again the next 
morning. It likely won't pay enough to offset the cost of driving very much 
and with us hitting the 400ppm CO2 mark this month I'm feeling driven to 
bike AMAP. 

On Monday, May 13, 2013 5:17:22 PM UTC-7, Tim Tetrault wrote:
>
> Hey Gang-
>
> I'm contemplating a long commute in the Seattle area- 15 miles each way 
> (long for me anyway) on my Hilborne. Any advice on handling the day in day 
> out grind of this?
>
> Ideas could include: 
>
> Food management/tiring out after long day
> reasonable raingear for the price (knowing I will be exposed for a soaking)
> time management tips I may have not considered
>
> Thanks-
>
> Tim
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm Waterford RSE-22 Frame/Fork

[bwg]

The frameset is now sold. Thanks to those who expressed interest.

-Bruce

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[RBW] Re: San Juan Islands Tour Advice

[samh]

Just so you know, the ACA maps are very detailed.  They list the services 
available in each town, e.g. libraries, post offices, bike shops; and they 
list the campgrounds and some hotels.  And on the back of the map, there is 
a story about the history of the area.  They are excellent maps, and the 
Pacific Coast route is a very popular route.

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[RBW] Re: San Juan Islands Tour Advice

[samh]

Hey, I think the Adventure Cycling Association's Pacific Coast route goes 
South from Anacortes along the Olympic Peninsula.  You could take the ferry 
across from Seattle and hook up with that route.  You should consider 
buying/borrowing the map for the first section of the Pacific Coast route, 
and see what it says about camping/lodging.  ACA has a website with a forum 
where you can ask questions--if no one here has information about that 
route.

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 4:26:15 PM UTC-6, samh wrote:
>
> --If so, does this look like a good route to get to the ferry?
>
> Based on my riding on the Olympic Peninsula, albeit South, I would try to 
> take the ferry across in Seattle and try to find a route North on the 
> Olympic Peninsula.  
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[RBW] Re: San Juan Islands Tour Advice

[samh]

--If so, does this look like a good route to get to the ferry?

Based on my riding on the Olympic Peninsula, albeit South, I would try to 
take the ferry across in Seattle and try to find a route North on the 
Olympic Peninsula.  

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[RBW] Re: San Juan Islands Tour Advice

[samh]

Hi Ty,

What's the camping situation like on the San Juans?  Hiker/biker sites? 
 Reservations? Price? Crowded?

Thanks.


On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 9:32:18 AM UTC-6, Ty Graham wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm from Seattle and have been biking and camping in the San Juans for 30+ 
> years.  I go every Summer for at least a week.
>
> Here are some random thoughts:
>
> I've never trained.  Mount Vernon would definitely be a closer stop than 
> Seattle assuming you can unload your bike.  There are some bus/shuttle 
> services from Mt Vernon to Anacortes also.
>
> Orcas is the most Californicated of the islands, then San Juan, then 
> Lopez, then Shaw.  I tend to avoid Orcas completely.  I stay on Lopez.  If 
> you like wine and cheese and BMW X5s, Orcas might be fine for you.
>
> Whale watching on the West side of San Juan will make for the finest day 
> of biking in your life if everything works out.  It's a total crap shoot; 
> sometimes the whales are there, sometimes not.  When the whales are close 
> in, it's magical.  With the new rules for whale watching boats, I think you 
> can see better from the shore than from a tour boat.  Look for the web 
> sites that list whale activity to get a rough idea before heading out.  In 
> any case the ride down the West side to Lime Kiln park is very pretty.
>
> Spencer Spit state park on Lopez is my fave camping.  Good bike access and 
> surprising how few folks hang out on the beach.  The yachting types seem to 
> stay on their boats except when they need to walk their dogs.  Upright head 
> has a nice sand beach and views of the Ferry lanes.  Watmough Bight is a 
> good day ride down to the south end and a beautiful setting.  There's a 
> good map from the chamber of commerce in Lopez Village.  Public showers in 
> Lopez village (24 hours?).
>
> Folks are impressed by the hills on San Juan and Orcas.  Check the 
> elevation profiles just to get an idea.
>
> 2 weeks would be a lot of time to spend in the San Juans.  On islands like 
> Lopez you can ride literally every road on the island in one day.  I'd 
> guess you'd be happy spending a week with time for PDX or Victoria 
> supplements.
>
> Here's another way to do the San Juans, not my style, but interesting. 
> http://janheine.wordpress.com/2013/04/30/an-impromptu-adventure/
>
> Feel free to PM with questions.
>
> Ty Seattle
> 2000 Atlantis
> '69 Raleigh Professional
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 13, 2013 5:42:32 PM UTC-7, Adam wrote:
>>
>> Greetings All,
>>
>> Planning a tour this summer for my wife and I up to the San Juan Islands. 
>> We have about two weeks to spend on my Hillborne and her Atlantis exploring 
>> the area. We live in Berkeley and are planning to take the amtrak up and 
>> then ferry and cycle around.
>>
>> I know there are a bunch of NorWesters on this list and wanted to ask 
>> some advice. We'll likely try to spend at least a day or two in Portland on 
>> our way back as well.
>>
>> Is the Seattle Amtrak the best station to get off?
>> If so, does this look like a good route to get to the ferry? 
>> http://goo.gl/maps/uxOqM 
>> Any campsites along that route that are recommended?
>> Any words of wisdom about the islands themselves (things we must 
>> see/avoid)?
>>
>> Looking forward to sharing images with the list when we return and also 
>> open to any recommendations as they emerge.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Adam
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: San Juan Islands Tour Advice

[samh]

>

You gotta be kidding me!  I rode from Bay View, which is just east of 
Anacortes, to Seattle in a day, taking the most direct route, and I was on 
surface streets the whole way--and the riding sucked.  There's a trail??!


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[RBW] Re: Absurd Loads

[samh]

I saw a guy while I was touring one summer who was pulling a trailer that 
must have weighed 300-400 lbs.  He had his bike parked outside a library, 
and he had all his possessions plus 4 or 5 metal road signs and assorted 
other junk piled high on some kind of trailer. We talked a little bit, 
after which he offered to give me one of his metal road signs.  Thanks!

On Monday, May 13, 2013 1:05:35 PM UTC-6, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> So let's share some absurd loads. Strangest/biggest/fishiest thing you've 
> carried on a bike. I'll start:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/8734948241/in/photostream
>
> Notes: Ride was very smooth, although I didn't ride really fast. Turning 
> was not a problem, although it was top heavy at stops. A disco ball is not 
> very dense. John's straps and basket worked perfectly. One mirror lost in 
> transit.
>

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[RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

[samh]

<>

I install with a floor pump, which is a lot of exercise.  So once I get my 
tires sealed, I never want to break the seal!  To replenish the sealant, I 
remove the valve core, and I use a Stan's Injector to put more sealant in, 
which is easy once you've done it a few times.

<<- When you get a non-repairable flat (with Stan's or Slime in your 
tire), it's nasty business changing the flat.  I've done it several 
times, but personally hate it.>>

Me too.  So I carry a rag and latex gloves stored in a gallon sized plastic 
baggie in my backpack. It's still very time consuming and messy because 
usually I try to rotate the tire and get sealant to blow out of the cut, 
temporarily sealing the cut--which inevitably fails when I start riding 
again.  At the same time, I don't think a road tire would be as susceptible 
to the sidewall cuts you get mountain biking.

I was on a mountain biking trip a few years ago, and an experienced 
mountain biker was riding down an incline on an easy trail and his tubeless 
29'er tire rolled off the rim and jammed in his fork, which catapulted him 
over the bars and headfirst into a rock.  Sometime later, some racers on a 
training ride happened upon the victim and attempted cpr, but they were 
unsuccessful.  So the tubeless technology is not perfect and adds some 
risk. 

Anyone contemplating a ghetto tubeless system should definitely do a lot of 
reading--and there is tons of info available.

On Sunday, January 22, 2012 8:31:17 AM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> As one who vacillates between tubeless and tubed tires on my mountain 
> bike, I've come to several conclusions (my own, not necessarily 
> everyone's): 
>
> - Do your homework and first make sure others have been successful 
> running your specific non-UST tire before attempting it. I've had a 
> tire blow off the rim in my garage, coating me and my dog with Stans 
> fluid and startling the hell out of us... learned my lesson. 
> - When tubeless works well, it's wonderful. I run tubeless Kenda 
> Nevegals (non-USTs) on Stan's Arch 29er rims (on my Niner MCR, fully 
> rigid steel MTB).  Being able to run at low pressure makes a big 
> difference, especially for low-speed technical riding.  I have had 
> plenty of ghetto setups fail; I now stick strictly to using Stan's 
> yellow tape and fluid.  I also do NOT go through the valve stem... 
> I've had more hassle with stems than it's worth.  I pull a section of 
> the tire bead off the rim, add a scoop or 2 of Stans, and then pop the 
> bead back on (with my compressor). 
> - I can't speak for anyone running tubeless skinny road tires, but 
> having witnessed a blowoff at 30 PSI, I'd hate to see one at 120 
> PSI... Make sure you're using a tire/rim combo that has been tested 
> and proven. 
> - When you get a non-repairable flat (with Stan's or Slime in your 
> tire), it's nasty business changing the flat.  I've done it several 
> times, but personally hate it. 
> - I really don't mind changing tubes... as long as it's not once every 
> other ride, so except for my mountain setup, I personally don't think 
> it's worth the hassle for my road bikes, fat or skinny-tired. 
>
> Patrick, as for your Kenda tube misfortunes, perhaps an overzealous 
> clerk with a box-cutter may have accidentally "pre-conditioned" these 
> tubes? 
>
> Bobby "conspiracy theory" Birmingham 
>
> On Jan 21, 10:08 pm, EricP  wrote: 
> > With Jim on this.  Probably have Kenda on all my bikes.  And the 
> > wife's bike.  They seem to be very reliable.  And in colder weather, 
> > they don't lose air as quickly as some others. 
> > 
> > Big ol' bias alert - I buy almost all my tubes from Jim at Hiawatha. 
> > 
> > BTW, have tried the Foss tubes.  Meh.  Was not able to swap them over 
> > to my winter studded tires.  So, further evaluation is needed.  They 
> > didn't flat, but did feel "lifeless".  If a latex tube has bounce, 
> > these have none, IMO. 
> > 
> > Eric Platt 
> > St. Paul, MN 
> > 
> > On Jan 21, 8:51 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery  
> > wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > I've been using and selling Kenda tubes for years with no problems 
> whatsoever!

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell and Merry Sales Visit with Tommy.

[Leslie]

Very cool!

However, very sad.   I was (almost) as excited to see what art would be on 
the box when my Bomba arrived last year; my bike arrived, but alas, no art 
upon the box...

I keep hoping that even a regular package will one day have a bit of art on 
it instead, tho'.


-L




On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:26:48 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> Now created:  
>
> Rivendell Box Art - a group on Flickr
>
> http://www.flickr.com/groups/rbwboxart/
>
> I don't have any images, but hope that folks will dive in and share them, 
> so we can share this with Sean and the gang.
>
> Have at it, folks!
>
> - J
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:14:28 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>
>> Tommy was in town for a week so it felt like old times riding with him. 
>> Some highlights.
>> - Hanging out at Rivendell. Checking out how Sean boxes the bikes. 
>> Apparently the Riv Folks there make a habit of drawing something on the 
>> bike boxes. Sean's only guff is that he doesn't see pictures of these 
>> drawings anywhere. Like most trips to Rivendell we hanged out ate some 
>> cheese, had some coffee and generally just messed around. Had to buy some 
>> Suspended Animation Suspenders and Harry said I looked like a lumberjack 
>> and had the right accessory to fit the ensemble, a Gransfors Bruks Hatchet! 
>> Sean and I did some photo shots. By far the best hatchet shots of me! 
>> Thanks Sean!
>> Tommy and I ended up riding back to San Leandro on our way back I took 
>> Tommy to "The Outback" where we literally hanged out on the rope swing.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell and Merry Sales Visit with Tommy.

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Ha! Wow.  10 images in less than an hour.  Long may it wave!

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:15:53 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> Awesome. Added mine--let's make this happen!
>
> I see a trunk motif happening.
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell and Merry Sales Visit with Tommy.

[Christopher Chen]

Awesome. Added mine--let's make this happen!

I see a trunk motif happening.

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[RBW] Nitto factory visit

[David Hwang]

Sweet Nitto factory vid!

http://vimeo.com/59035269

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[RBW] Re: Any advice for a Riv-friendly (roof) bicycle rack?

[Nick Payne]

Have a look here: 
http://www.users.on.net/~njpayne/bikestuff/TandemRoofrack.jpg. It cost me 
about $20 to build and works fine for single bikes as well as tandems. It's 
just a piece of 100x30 timber with smaller pieces at each end forming a 
slot for the tyres to sit in. The timber is fastened to the roofrack cross 
member with a couple of U-bolts. For the tandem, we lift it onto the rack 
together, and then the stoker stands on the rear bumper and holds the bike 
while I lash the ropes down to each side to hold it in place. For a single 
I can manage the whole thing myself. It takes a couple of minutes to fix in 
place, and we've driven many thousands of kilometres using that rack to 
transport bikes and never had a single problem.

On Saturday, 11 May 2013 15:19:28 UTC+10, Pierre wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I have an outstanding hitch bike rack (Thule Euroway G2 923), but this 
> option is now gone with our new car.
>
> I am looking to buy a roof bike rack that would accommodate nicely a 
> fendered fat-tired bicycle with front rack (Mark's or Mini type), any 
> advice?
>
> I've owned in the past a Yakima highroller, it did NOT work well with 
> fenders.
>

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Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

[Deacon Patrick]

Ooo! Train wreck. Pety. Wha...? Whoa! Crunch! 

Rubber necking never pays. Just ask my brain. Ouch. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on going upright....

[samh]

Jeremy Till,

That was very well written.  I enjoyed reading your blog.  Thanks.

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:52:12 AM UTC-6, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Just an update of some recent changes to my Quickbeam, riding the 
> Appaloosa, and thoughts on upright riding in general.
>
>
> http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2013/05/spring-2013-becoming-upright.html
>
> I've talked about a lot of the same things here but wanted to kind of 
> provide an overview of the stuff I'm thinking about and working on right 
> now.  Comments welcomed!
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[RBW] Nitto Factory visit on Vimeo

[Robert F. Harrison]

I can't remember if this video turned up here before but it showed up on
Gizmodo today so...

http://gizmodo.com/inside-the-nitto-factory-where-the-worlds-best-bike-p-505728036

Or go directly to Vimeo:

http://vimeo.com/59035269#

It's in Japanese with English subtitles.

Aloha,

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Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

[Peter Morgano]

Ha ha, while they do come back a lot it def not 300mm! Its hard to explain
but I get about 4 good positions out of them. the middle section is
actually really wide and not uncomfortable for me, personally but its all
about what works for you. Its nice to have so much rise for city riding and
still have somewhat of an "aero" position for people like me who cant bend
down into the drops anymore due to lower back pain.


On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Garth  wrote:

> In theory, yes. However, I do not consider the middle portion of the
> Boscos to be "practical" to *actually use*. I have no desire to place my
> hands in that awkward position.  Also, one cannot mount the thumbshifters
> like I do on the Albatross, they'd have to go somewhere else, somewhere I
> would not prefer ! I love where my shifters are :)  So the usable part, for
> me, is the straight part and while I do not have them to measure, I'm
> pretty sure it is not 300mm, as that would be waaay swept back !
> ---
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 4:16:52 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:
>
>> So couldn't someone use bar end brake lever and thumb shifters on a Bosco
>> bar and therefore have even more than 12 inches of bar to use?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Garth  wrote:
>>
>>> It truly does depend on where you have the shifters and brake levers.
>>> Using bar end brake levers and thumb shifters, I have a range of hand
>>> positions a Bosco could not give me. I have a full 300mm, about 12 inches
>>> of pure open usable bar to choose from, and I use it all in various
>>> situations .
>>>
>>> If I *really* wanted a high Albatross , I'd get a VO or Nitto MTC-04
>>> Tall(it's 280mm tall) threadless stem adapter and a threadless stem. Maybe
>>> some day  but not today :)
>>>
>>> It's wonderful that we have these choices though, I yearn for more !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:42:30 PM UTC-4, EGNolan wrote:


 Patrick,
> go Boscoe if you're gonna have one upright bike. I have alba's on one
> bike and boscoe's on another, they each hold their own, but the Boscoe,
> IME, is a much more versatile bike. The alba gives plenty of hand 
> positions
> (though I usually use 1, even for rides over 25 miles), but the Boscoe's
> positions have a bigger difference between one another. I switched from
> Noodles to Boscoes and my 45 minute commute has stayed at 45 minutes. The
> rise is also nice aesthetically to me, as it allows the stem to stay a bit
> lower. Just my 2 cents.
>
>
 Best,
 Eric
 Indpls.

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Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

[Garth]

In theory, yes. However, I do not consider the middle portion of the Boscos 
to be "practical" to *actually use*. I have no desire to place my hands in 
that awkward position.  Also, one cannot mount the thumbshifters like I do 
on the Albatross, they'd have to go somewhere else, somewhere I would not 
prefer ! I love where my shifters are :)  So the usable part, for me, is 
the straight part and while I do not have them to measure, I'm pretty sure 
it is not 300mm, as that would be waaay swept back ! 
---

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 4:16:52 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:
>
> So couldn't someone use bar end brake lever and thumb shifters on a Bosco 
> bar and therefore have even more than 12 inches of bar to use?
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Garth >wrote:
>
>> It truly does depend on where you have the shifters and brake levers.  
>> Using bar end brake levers and thumb shifters, I have a range of hand 
>> positions a Bosco could not give me. I have a full 300mm, about 12 inches 
>> of pure open usable bar to choose from, and I use it all in various 
>> situations .
>>
>> If I *really* wanted a high Albatross , I'd get a VO or Nitto MTC-04 
>> Tall(it's 280mm tall) threadless stem adapter and a threadless stem. Maybe 
>> some day  but not today :) 
>>
>> It's wonderful that we have these choices though, I yearn for more ! 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:42:30 PM UTC-4, EGNolan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick,
 go Boscoe if you're gonna have one upright bike. I have alba's on one 
 bike and boscoe's on another, they each hold their own, but the Boscoe, 
 IME, is a much more versatile bike. The alba gives plenty of hand 
 positions 
 (though I usually use 1, even for rides over 25 miles), but the Boscoe's 
 positions have a bigger difference between one another. I switched from 
 Noodles to Boscoes and my 45 minute commute has stayed at 45 minutes. The 
 rise is also nice aesthetically to me, as it allows the stem to stay a bit 
 lower. Just my 2 cents.
  

>>> Best,
>>> Eric
>>> Indpls. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Devil's slide tunnel

[Lee]

I think the old Devil's Slide road is closed, as they work on turning it 
into a resource for pedestrians and cyclists. To be opened next summer, I 
believe. 

As for the tunnel, I've heard of some folks riding it and saying the 
shoulder in the tunnel is great, but that, as Anne mentions, the shoulder 
disappears leading into and out of the tunnel. I was riding down in 
Pacifica for bike-to-work-day, planning on trying out the tunnel. But, once 
I saw the setup, with all of that car commuter traffic, I said forget it.

In any event, Planet of the Apes is a fun route and it seems like a natural 
place for a Rivendell ;)

Best,
Lee


On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:24:41 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> How much of the road does the tunnel bypass? When I went through there a 
> few years ago, it looked like the tunnel started half way up the hill, so 
> you'd have to ride on the narrow busy road to get there. We went through at 
> rush hour. I thought I was going to die.
>
> Planet of the Apes for me next time.
>
>
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>> Hello,
>>
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>> opened?  I might be taking the Hillborne down to HMB or SC next week for a 
>> few days.  It'd be nice to see the old coast road with no traffic!   
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Re: [RBW] Devil's slide tunnel

[Anne Paulson]

How much of the road does the tunnel bypass? When I went through there a
few years ago, it looked like the tunnel started half way up the hill, so
you'd have to ride on the narrow busy road to get there. We went through at
rush hour. I thought I was going to die.

Planet of the Apes for me next time.


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[RBW] Devil's slide tunnel

[Way Rebb]

Hello,

Has anyone been down around the devil's slide area since the tunnel opened? 
 I might be taking the Hillborne down to HMB or SC next week for a few 
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Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

[Peter Morgano]

So couldn't someone use bar end brake lever and thumb shifters on a Bosco
bar and therefore have even more than 12 inches of bar to use?


On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Garth  wrote:

> It truly does depend on where you have the shifters and brake levers.
> Using bar end brake levers and thumb shifters, I have a range of hand
> positions a Bosco could not give me. I have a full 300mm, about 12 inches
> of pure open usable bar to choose from, and I use it all in various
> situations .
>
> If I *really* wanted a high Albatross , I'd get a VO or Nitto MTC-04
> Tall(it's 280mm tall) threadless stem adapter and a threadless stem. Maybe
> some day  but not today :)
>
> It's wonderful that we have these choices though, I yearn for more !
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:42:30 PM UTC-4, EGNolan wrote:
>>
>>
>> Patrick,
>>> go Boscoe if you're gonna have one upright bike. I have alba's on one
>>> bike and boscoe's on another, they each hold their own, but the Boscoe,
>>> IME, is a much more versatile bike. The alba gives plenty of hand positions
>>> (though I usually use 1, even for rides over 25 miles), but the Boscoe's
>>> positions have a bigger difference between one another. I switched from
>>> Noodles to Boscoes and my 45 minute commute has stayed at 45 minutes. The
>>> rise is also nice aesthetically to me, as it allows the stem to stay a bit
>>> lower. Just my 2 cents.
>>>
>>>
>> Best,
>> Eric
>> Indpls.
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Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

[Garth]

It truly does depend on where you have the shifters and brake levers.  
Using bar end brake levers and thumb shifters, I have a range of hand 
positions a Bosco could not give me. I have a full 300mm, about 12 inches 
of pure open usable bar to choose from, and I use it all in various 
situations .

If I *really* wanted a high Albatross , I'd get a VO or Nitto MTC-04 
Tall(it's 280mm tall) threadless stem adapter and a threadless stem. Maybe 
some day  but not today :) 

It's wonderful that we have these choices though, I yearn for more ! 



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>
>
> Patrick,
>> go Boscoe if you're gonna have one upright bike. I have alba's on one 
>> bike and boscoe's on another, they each hold their own, but the Boscoe, 
>> IME, is a much more versatile bike. The alba gives plenty of hand positions 
>> (though I usually use 1, even for rides over 25 miles), but the Boscoe's 
>> positions have a bigger difference between one another. I switched from 
>> Noodles to Boscoes and my 45 minute commute has stayed at 45 minutes. The 
>> rise is also nice aesthetically to me, as it allows the stem to stay a bit 
>> lower. Just my 2 cents.
>>  
>>
> Best,
> Eric
> Indpls. 
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Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

[PATRICK MOORE]

Aha! All is now clear. Move along, move along there...

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:20 PM, James Warren wrote:

>
> You can get the Bosco that's just the handlebar, no quill stem attached.
> You then attach to your own stem, 25.4 mm clamp size. I'm pretty sure
> you'll have no trouble setting it up with a threadless stem.
>
> My use of Boscos is with a really long stem - a 17 cm Ritchey (Nitto-made)
> from the early 90's. For me, the only way to use Boscos or Albatrosses is
> with the bar set extremely far forward, more so with the Boscos.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: PATRICK MOORE **
>
>
> Thanks, Eric; just now realized that, until Grant makes a threadless
> Boscoe, I'm stuck with the Albatrosses. Not that *that* appears to be a
> huge liability.
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:42 PM, EGNolan  wrote:
>
>>
>> Patrick,
>>> go Boscoe if you're gonna have one upright bike. I have alba's on one
>>> bike and boscoe's on another, they each hold their own, but the Boscoe,
>>> IME, is a much more versatile bike. The alba gives plenty of hand positions
>>> (though I usually use 1, even for rides over 25 miles), but the Boscoe's
>>> positions have a bigger difference between one another. I switched from
>>> Noodles to Boscoes and my 45 minute commute has stayed at 45 minutes. The
>>> rise is also nice aesthetically to me, as it allows the stem to stay a bit
>>> lower. Just my 2 cents.
>>>
>>>
>> Best,
>> Eric
>> Indpls.
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Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

[PATRICK MOORE]

Well, yes, Steve; but I thought that the Boscoe was like the Bullmoose:
with its stem integrated with the bar. Am I wrong?

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 13:10 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> > Thanks, Eric; just now realized that, until Grant makes a threadless
> > Boscoe, I'm stuck with the Albatrosses. Not that *that* appears to be
> > a huge liability.
> >
>
> Now I'm really confused.  Albatross & Bosco are HANDLEBARS, right?
> There's no such thing as a threaded or threadless HANDLEBAR.  Stems and
> headsets and steerers are threaded/quill or threadless.  Some threadless
> stems fit handlebars of a diameter that is unsupported by quill stems.
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Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Steve,
Yes, they are handlebars. I think the confusion is that one version of the 
Bosco ("Nitto Bosco Bullmoose Bar, Cromo dullbrite 58cm - 16242" on 
rivbike) is fillet brazed to a quill stem. The "non-bullmoose" version of 
the Bosco Bar are available as 25.4mm clamp (handlebar only-- you supply 
the stem appropriate to your bike).

Albatross are handlebars only (as far as I know).



On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:22:12 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 13:10 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: 
> > Thanks, Eric; just now realized that, until Grant makes a threadless 
> > Boscoe, I'm stuck with the Albatrosses. Not that *that* appears to be 
> > a huge liability. 
> > 
>
> Now I'm really confused.  Albatross & Bosco are HANDLEBARS, right? 
> There's no such thing as a threaded or threadless HANDLEBAR.  Stems and 
> headsets and steerers are threaded/quill or threadless.  Some threadless 
> stems fit handlebars of a diameter that is unsupported by quill stems. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

[PATRICK MOORE]

Wait: I thought the Boscoe has an integrated stem, like the old Bullmoose
bar. Am I wrong?

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> Patrick, I am confused, is the clamp diameter for the Bosco different than
> the Albatross? Not sure what the difference would be between getting either
> one of them in a stem. Having ridden both for a while I would go Bosco, it
> has more hand positions for sure.
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 3:10 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Eric; just now realized that, until Grant makes a threadless
>> Boscoe, I'm stuck with the Albatrosses. Not that *that* appears to be a
>> huge liability.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:42 PM, EGNolan  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Patrick,
 go Boscoe if you're gonna have one upright bike. I have alba's on one
 bike and boscoe's on another, they each hold their own, but the Boscoe,
 IME, is a much more versatile bike. The alba gives plenty of hand positions
 (though I usually use 1, even for rides over 25 miles), but the Boscoe's
 positions have a bigger difference between one another. I switched from
 Noodles to Boscoes and my 45 minute commute has stayed at 45 minutes. The
 rise is also nice aesthetically to me, as it allows the stem to stay a bit
 lower. Just my 2 cents.


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>>> Eric
>>> Indpls.
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell and Merry Sales Visit with Tommy.

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Now created:  

Rivendell Box Art - a group on Flickr

http://www.flickr.com/groups/rbwboxart/

I don't have any images, but hope that folks will dive in and share them, 
so we can share this with Sean and the gang.

Have at it, folks!

- J

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:14:28 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Tommy was in town for a week so it felt like old times riding with him. 
> Some highlights.
> - Hanging out at Rivendell. Checking out how Sean boxes the bikes. 
> Apparently the Riv Folks there make a habit of drawing something on the 
> bike boxes. Sean's only guff is that he doesn't see pictures of these 
> drawings anywhere. Like most trips to Rivendell we hanged out ate some 
> cheese, had some coffee and generally just messed around. Had to buy some 
> Suspended Animation Suspenders and Harry said I looked like a lumberjack 
> and had the right accessory to fit the ensemble, a Gransfors Bruks Hatchet! 
> Sean and I did some photo shots. By far the best hatchet shots of me! 
> Thanks Sean!
> Tommy and I ended up riding back to San Leandro on our way back I took 
> Tommy to "The Outback" where we literally hanged out on the rope swing.
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Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2013-05-14 at 13:10 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> Thanks, Eric; just now realized that, until Grant makes a threadless
> Boscoe, I'm stuck with the Albatrosses. Not that *that* appears to be
> a huge liability.
> 

Now I'm really confused.  Albatross & Bosco are HANDLEBARS, right?
There's no such thing as a threaded or threadless HANDLEBAR.  Stems and
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Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

[James Warren]

You can get the Bosco that's just the handlebar, no quill stem attached. You then attach to your own stem, 25.4 mm clamp size. I'm pretty sure you'll have no trouble setting it up with a threadless stem.My use of Boscos is with a really long stem - a 17 cm Ritchey (Nitto-made) from the early 90's. For me, the only way to use Boscos or Albatrosses is with the bar set extremely far forward, more so with the Boscos.-Original Message-
From: PATRICK MOORE 
Thanks, Eric; just now realized that, until Grant makes a threadless Boscoe, I'm stuck with the Albatrosses. Not that *that* appears to be a huge liability.On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:42 PM, EGNolan  wrote:

Patrick,go Boscoe if you're gonna have one upright bike. I have alba's on one bike and boscoe's on another, they each hold their own, but the Boscoe, IME, is a much more versatile bike. The alba gives plenty of hand positions (though I usually use 1, even for rides over 25 miles), but the Boscoe's positions have a bigger difference between one another. I switched from Noodles to Boscoes and my 45 minute commute has stayed at 45 minutes. The rise is also nice aesthetically to me, as it allows the stem to stay a bit lower. Just my 2 cents.
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Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

[Peter Morgano]

Patrick, I am confused, is the clamp diameter for the Bosco different than
the Albatross? Not sure what the difference would be between getting either
one of them in a stem. Having ridden both for a while I would go Bosco, it
has more hand positions for sure.


On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 3:10 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Thanks, Eric; just now realized that, until Grant makes a threadless
> Boscoe, I'm stuck with the Albatrosses. Not that *that* appears to be a
> huge liability.
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:42 PM, EGNolan  wrote:
>
>>
>> Patrick,
>>> go Boscoe if you're gonna have one upright bike. I have alba's on one
>>> bike and boscoe's on another, they each hold their own, but the Boscoe,
>>> IME, is a much more versatile bike. The alba gives plenty of hand positions
>>> (though I usually use 1, even for rides over 25 miles), but the Boscoe's
>>> positions have a bigger difference between one another. I switched from
>>> Noodles to Boscoes and my 45 minute commute has stayed at 45 minutes. The
>>> rise is also nice aesthetically to me, as it allows the stem to stay a bit
>>> lower. Just my 2 cents.
>>>
>>>
>> Best,
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[RBW] Re: How do you like your Rivs on centuries or longer vs. your "modern geometry aluminum/carbon road" bikes?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

I don't think it was taken as a negative-to-RBW perspective.  But, Steve 
makes a good point - what you are really talking about is "race" geometry.  
I have always thought of Grant's designs as "real-world".

In my neck of the woods, where there tends to be more people riding more 
recently designed bikes, there is a steadily growing number of bikes which 
are at least honoring the ideas which Grant has been talking about for a 
while.  I see a goodly number of bike frames which could really be 
described as parallelograms.  

The difference I was talking about above was from a more race-oriented 
bike. 

- Jim / cyclofiend.com



On Monday, May 13, 2013 3:12:47 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>
> OK, just to clarify, y'all:
>>  
>>
> By "modern geometry", I meant the typical carbon bike shapes and angles of 
> construction you see these days in TdeF. Those kindsa bikes and their ilk 
> sold in shoppes around the USA today. 
>  
> The phrase was *not* meant to negative-image-state anything about what a 
> Riv bike geometry is.
>  
> Sorry for the poor phraseology in my question. Hope this clears it up.
>  
> So, any diff you feel between these bikes on centuries or more rides 
> compared to your Rivbikes?
>  
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[RBW] Rivendell and Merry Sales Visit with Tommy.

[Manuel Acosta]

Tommy was in town for a week so it felt like old times riding with him. 
Some highlights.
- Hanging out at Rivendell. Checking out how Sean boxes the bikes. 
Apparently the Riv Folks there make a habit of drawing something on the 
bike boxes. Sean's only guff is that he doesn't see pictures of these 
drawings anywhere. Like most trips to Rivendell we hanged out ate some 
cheese, had some coffee and generally just messed around. Had to buy some 
Suspended Animation Suspenders and Harry said I looked like a lumberjack 
and had the right accessory to fit the ensemble, a Gransfors Bruks Hatchet! 
Sean and I did some photo shots. By far the best hatchet shots of me! 
Thanks Sean!
Tommy and I ended up riding back to San Leandro on our way back I took 
Tommy to "The Outback" where we literally hanged out on the rope swing.

Cycling in the Bay Area has a rich and interesting history. Birth place of 
mountain biking, and was the place where tons of famous bike builders got 
their start, etc. Merry Sales is a 100+ year old bicycle distribution 
company that has a hold in a lot of Bay Area Cycling history. So when I 
asked Evan if I could stop by to check out the warehouse I was excited when 
he said it was cool. So i  planned the date so that Tommy could come with. 
We decided to wing the ride from downtown but before we stopped by a 
Mission Workshop to see my buddy Rai and to meet up with Ely who had a bag 
made for me (this is a whole other post). We decided to make the route up 
and ended up finding some BMX pump track. After some sweet jumps we rolled 
up to Merry Sales and as busy as they were Evan was still nice enough to 
show us around. In short we bike geeked out. So much  cycling stuff in such 
a small area. Evan showed us some cool not yet for sale stuff. Some cool 
new Suntour cranks, soma bars, got a snag a peak at new frames SOMA Grand 
Randonneur frame and the Wolverine frame. Got to meet Stan Pun and Jim 
Porter who talked about a little bit of the history of Merry Sales. His 
grandfather Paul Porter worked as a bike messenger and delivery person to 
the original owner, Edwin F. Merry. 
Super rich history in of itself.
More of it can be found here.
http://www.merrysales.com/history_100anniv_rev.pdf"; 
rel="nofollow">www.merrysales.com/history_100anniv_rev.pdf
Being a 100+ year old company they had tons of vintage bike stuff that Jim 
even said should be in a museum somewhere. He got to show us this old 
school crankless push bike from 1900's and the original Lauterwasser bars 
that they remade. Really great time amazing history of a legendary bike 
company. Huge thanks to Evan for giving us the opportunity for the 
experience. Thanks to all the folks at Merry Sales for all the support.

Pictures prove that rope swings are fun.
http://flic.kr/s/aHsjF4nk2k

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Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

[PATRICK MOORE]

Thanks, Eric; just now realized that, until Grant makes a threadless
Boscoe, I'm stuck with the Albatrosses. Not that *that* appears to be a
huge liability.

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:42 PM, EGNolan  wrote:

>
> Patrick,
>> go Boscoe if you're gonna have one upright bike. I have alba's on one
>> bike and boscoe's on another, they each hold their own, but the Boscoe,
>> IME, is a much more versatile bike. The alba gives plenty of hand positions
>> (though I usually use 1, even for rides over 25 miles), but the Boscoe's
>> positions have a bigger difference between one another. I switched from
>> Noodles to Boscoes and my 45 minute commute has stayed at 45 minutes. The
>> rise is also nice aesthetically to me, as it allows the stem to stay a bit
>> lower. Just my 2 cents.
>>
>>
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> Eric
> Indpls.
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Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

[PATRICK MOORE]

Thanks, Patrick -- good advice, and I've heard it from others, too.

No change immediately thanks to money shortage, but I will keep stacking
the evidence toward Boscos -- whoops, just realized that, with the Fargo's
threadless headset system, those are out. Albatrosses, then -- will keep
stacking it up "pro" Albatross against the 46 cm VOs. I suppose, at least,
I ought to *try* Albas once in my life.

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> Patrick,
>
> All my comments refer to the Albatross, but I imagine they are at least
> equally true of the Bosco bars.
>
> Sand: is rough and no doubt always is. The width of the bars makes it
> easier to keep straight. I always shift back to the more upright/wider grip
> in sand.
>
> Descents: far easier upright and with width. More controled.
>
> Wind: It is easy to get down and more wind cutting simply by moving my
> grip forward and bending my elbows however much I want. Though headwinds
> are always fun, the handlebars have been a non-issue there, unless I stay
> upright. Then I feel their effect much more.
>
> With abandon,
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[RBW] PHL Riv friendly LBS

[Jonathan Shinefeld]

I'm with Justin and cannot recommend Trophy on the basis of my personal 
experience with repair work (rear der cable wrapped around the chain stay 
during an overhaul).  That said, the owner is knowledgeable, articulate and 
carries interesting stock. But I won't shop there.
Jon in Phila

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Re: [RBW] Re: Large SaddleSack Load and Anchor Questions

[Jonathan Shinefeld]

Hi Patrick,
The leather straps were sitting in my spare straps box and were the perfect 
length to allow the bag to sit flat on the mini rack and close to the 
seatpost. Now that  think about it, I guess toe clip straps would have 
worked too.  Interestingly, I carry Irish straps in the saddlesack pockets 
to use in the event of yard sales.
Jon

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> Any reason to use leather rather than Irish straps? 
>
> With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: San Juan Islands Tour Advice

[Ty Graham]

Hi,

I'm from Seattle and have been biking and camping in the San Juans for 30+ 
years.  I go every Summer for at least a week.

Here are some random thoughts:

I've never trained.  Mount Vernon would definitely be a closer stop than 
Seattle assuming you can unload your bike.  There are some bus/shuttle 
services from Mt Vernon to Anacortes also.

Orcas is the most Californicated of the islands, then San Juan, then Lopez, 
then Shaw.  I tend to avoid Orcas completely.  I stay on Lopez.  If you 
like wine and cheese and BMW X5s, Orcas might be fine for you.

Whale watching on the West side of San Juan will make for the finest day of 
biking in your life if everything works out.  It's a total crap shoot; 
sometimes the whales are there, sometimes not.  When the whales are close 
in, it's magical.  With the new rules for whale watching boats, I think you 
can see better from the shore than from a tour boat.  Look for the web 
sites that list whale activity to get a rough idea before heading out.  In 
any case the ride down the West side to Lime Kiln park is very pretty.

Spencer Spit state park on Lopez is my fave camping.  Good bike access and 
surprising how few folks hang out on the beach.  The yachting types seem to 
stay on their boats except when they need to walk their dogs.  Upright head 
has a nice sand beach and views of the Ferry lanes.  Watmough Bight is a 
good day ride down to the south end and a beautiful setting.  There's a 
good map from the chamber of commerce in Lopez Village.  Public showers in 
Lopez village (24 hours?).

Folks are impressed by the hills on San Juan and Orcas.  Check the 
elevation profiles just to get an idea.

2 weeks would be a lot of time to spend in the San Juans.  On islands like 
Lopez you can ride literally every road on the island in one day.  I'd 
guess you'd be happy spending a week with time for PDX or Victoria 
supplements.

Here's another way to do the San Juans, not my style, but interesting. 
http://janheine.wordpress.com/2013/04/30/an-impromptu-adventure/

Feel free to PM with questions.

Ty Seattle
2000 Atlantis
'69 Raleigh Professional



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>
> Greetings All,
>
> Planning a tour this summer for my wife and I up to the San Juan Islands. 
> We have about two weeks to spend on my Hillborne and her Atlantis exploring 
> the area. We live in Berkeley and are planning to take the amtrak up and 
> then ferry and cycle around.
>
> I know there are a bunch of NorWesters on this list and wanted to ask some 
> advice. We'll likely try to spend at least a day or two in Portland on our 
> way back as well.
>
> Is the Seattle Amtrak the best station to get off?
> If so, does this look like a good route to get to the ferry? 
> http://goo.gl/maps/uxOqM 
> Any campsites along that route that are recommended?
> Any words of wisdom about the islands themselves (things we must 
> see/avoid)?
>
> Looking forward to sharing images with the list when we return and also 
> open to any recommendations as they emerge.
>
> Cheers,
> Adam
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[RBW] Little Big Bens vs Marathons for Mixed Riding?

[Christopher Chen]

Hey bunch, a bunch of brown Little Big Bens just showed up in the new 
section (well, at least I noticed them today) here:

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/tben-10132.htm

Anyone comment on how they ride compare to the good old Marathons?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle vs Portland Country Bike Rumble - June 1st

[Christopher Chen]

Yes. I've cleared my schedule that weekend. Let's make it happen. Mt. St.
Helens, Lewis River maybe?


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> not to do this. I hope it happens.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Seattle vs Portland Country Bike Rumble - June 1st

[Christopher Chen]

Fantastic! I can't wait. Manny, you comin' up or what?


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> Randle, WA to Babyshoe Pass looks pretty great. 30-ish miles with a few
> steep bits but looks like mostly reasonable grades. Plus there're 4
> campgrounds within a mile or 2 of the Pass.
>
> couldn't get the "link" button to work... did a quickie map job...
> http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2508110
>
> I called the Gifford Pinchot Cowlitz Ranger Station this afternoon. The
> woman I spoke to was great. I told her what we wanted to do and she
> suggested that we head west on Forest Rd 74 (sort of near the the town of
> Mineral) into the GP Nat Forest. She said there are lots of decent dirt
> roads that just meander through the hills and valleys. She said access from
> the south (off Hwy 12) is possible too but it's largely checker-boarded
> with private timber land and Nat Forest land so access isn't as easy.
>
> Randle to Babyshoe Pass sounds more straight forward and plan-able so that
> has my vote. Logistics of getting to/from the meet-up can be worked out.
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Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

[EGNolan]

> Patrick,
> go Boscoe if you're gonna have one upright bike. I have alba's on one bike 
> and boscoe's on another, they each hold their own, but the Boscoe, IME, is 
> a much more versatile bike. The alba gives plenty of hand positions (though 
> I usually use 1, even for rides over 25 miles), but the Boscoe's positions 
> have a bigger difference between one another. I switched from Noodles to 
> Boscoes and my 45 minute commute has stayed at 45 minutes. The rise is also 
> nice aesthetically to me, as it allows the stem to stay a bit lower. Just 
> my 2 cents.
>  
>
Best,
Eric
Indpls. 

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Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

[Deacon Patrick]

Patrick,

All my comments refer to the Albatross, but I imagine they are at least equally 
true of the Bosco bars.

Sand: is rough and no doubt always is. The width of the bars makes it easier to 
keep straight. I always shift back to the more upright/wider grip in sand.

Descents: far easier upright and with width. More controled.

Wind: It is easy to get down and more wind cutting simply by moving my grip 
forward and bending my elbows however much I want. Though headwinds are always 
fun, the handlebars have been a non-issue there, unless I stay upright. Then I 
feel their effect much more.

With abandon,
Patrick  

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Re: [RBW] Any advice for a Riv-friendly (roof) bicycle rack?

[Dan McNamara]

I have the Thule Criterium rack and have used it with a few different Rivs.
My wife's Betty has Longboard fenders so this type of rack was a necessity.
The rack works great. Very secure. I keep a shop rag in the car to wrap
under the shifter cables to avoid paint scratches around the clamp.

The only issue is with water bottle cages. With my Ram the clamp wanted to
be right in the middle of the Nitto water bottle cage on the DT so I took
off the cage. Not a big deal.

I am in the Bay Area if you want to check out the rack.

Dan

-Marin (and Berkeley)


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> Hi Pierre,
>
> The only roof racks that work well with fendered bikes are those that grab
> the frame via the downtube. Of the few available, the one I like the most
> is the Thule Criterium:
> http://www.thule.com/en-us/us/products/bike-carriers/roofcarriers/598-criterium-_-598
>
> The other one is the Yakima Raptor Aereo, but its design isn't as refined
> as the Criterium.
>
> I'm assuming you are using long fenders, such as Honjo or Berthoud. If you
> are using shorter plastic fenders that don't reach so low behind the front
> wheel, then any rack that holds the fork after you remove the front wheel
> might do.
>
> René
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2013, Pierre wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> I have an outstanding hitch bike rack (Thule Euroway G2 923), but this
>> option is now gone with our new car.
>>
>> I am looking to buy a roof bike rack that would accommodate nicely a
>> fendered fat-tired bicycle with front rack (Mark's or Mini type), any
>> advice?
>>
>> I've owned in the past a Yakima highroller, it did NOT work well with
>> fenders.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>> PS: my Thule Euroway G2 923 is for sale, make an offer off-list if
>> interest, in the bay area (bought in Europe in 2011, so it has all the
>> wiring for taillights, mandatory over there)
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[RBW] Re: Absurd Loads

[clayton]

Moving day, last 
week.



On Monday, May 13, 2013 12:05:35 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> So let's share some absurd loads. Strangest/biggest/fishiest thing you've 
> carried on a bike. I'll start:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/8734948241/in/photostream
>
> Notes: Ride was very smooth, although I didn't ride really fast. Turning 
> was not a problem, although it was top heavy at stops. A disco ball is not 
> very dense. John's straps and basket worked perfectly. One mirror lost in 
> transit.
>

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[RBW] Re: Absurd Loads

[clayton]

On Monday, May 13, 2013 12:05:35 PM UTC-7, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
> So let's share some absurd loads. Strangest/biggest/fishiest thing you've 
> carried on a bike. I'll start:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/8734948241/in/photostream
>
> Notes: Ride was very smooth, although I didn't ride really fast. Turning 
> was not a problem, although it was top heavy at stops. A disco ball is not 
> very dense. John's straps and basket worked perfectly. One mirror lost in 
> transit.
>

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Re: [RBW] Any advice for a Riv-friendly (roof) bicycle rack?

[Minh]

On the warranty question, if you search on etrailer.com there are a few 
questions answered around this, there is a gray area around the dealer 
proving that the installation of a hitch caused any issues, it's gray 
enough i'd be concerned but that's up to you and your dealer.  

I'd agree that a hitch is the best way for the type of bikes we like, i 
personally would not be able to lift my SH (with fenders, racks) onto the 
roof of my car.  
Thule now make a trunk rack that holds the bikes in a tray like some hitch 
moutned ones, but it's expensive, it's heavy, and it's trunk mounted so it 
will scratch up the car.



On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:26:31 AM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
> Hi Pierre,
>
> The only roof racks that work well with fendered bikes are those that grab 
> the frame via the downtube. Of the few available, the one I like the most 
> is the Thule Criterium: 
> http://www.thule.com/en-us/us/products/bike-carriers/roofcarriers/598-criterium-_-598
>
> The other one is the Yakima Raptor Aereo, but its design isn't as refined 
> as the Criterium. 
>
> I'm assuming you are using long fenders, such as Honjo or Berthoud. If you 
> are using shorter plastic fenders that don't reach so low behind the front 
> wheel, then any rack that holds the fork after you remove the front wheel 
> might do. 
>
> René 
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2013, Pierre wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> I have an outstanding hitch bike rack (Thule Euroway G2 923), but this 
>> option is now gone with our new car.
>>
>> I am looking to buy a roof bike rack that would accommodate nicely a 
>> fendered fat-tired bicycle with front rack (Mark's or Mini type), any 
>> advice?
>>
>> I've owned in the past a Yakima highroller, it did NOT work well with 
>> fenders.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>> PS: my Thule Euroway G2 923 is for sale, make an offer off-list if 
>> interest, in the bay area (bought in Europe in 2011, so it has all the 
>> wiring for taillights, mandatory over there)
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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks

[LeahFoy]

Bobish ~ how true, how true. I'm just never going to be satisfied until I see 
that lovely red saddle for myself. I just have to know how my Foy will look 
with it. I am hoping the comfort differences aren't VERY noticeable; I could 
live with "less comfortable" but will draw the line at "uncomfortable." We'll 
see, won't we? The saddles are back in stock next week. I hope to have lots of 
pics so we can all mull this over in our collective Rivish brains. Thanks, 
again, everyone! This is so much fun!

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Re: [RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

[PATRICK MOORE]

Jeremy -- you've *almost* got me convinced that I should try something
similar with the Fargo. That you find no loss of power on hills while
sitting more upright, makes me switch my intention to the Bosco from the
Albatross. I'd be interested in your experience of differences between the
two.

Three questions about handling. How does the different weight distribution
and the wide, closer-up bar, affect handling, on pavement, but also on
sketchy surfaces? I often ride in sand deep enough to find control
difficult with even fat, soft tires; and then, second, there is the
question of braking with secure handgrip on steep, rough descents. Any
comments on the, in effect, three questions above about handling?

I do worry about winds, too -- it's not uncommon to get 30 mph sustained,
and I ride in the hooks of drop bars for miles at a time. How does the
upright position affect riding against wind?

I've often thought of an upright bike for the main reason you gave: I just
want something I can toodle around on when not feeling energetic enough for
a "real" ride; yet on a setup that allows for an energetic ride when I want
it, and with the handling capabilities as above.

I mean to give the 44 cm B136 -- replaced the unworkable Midge -- several
months of trial. One 10 mile ride on Saturday indicates (1) great hoods,
(2) acceptable hooks -- really too low for dedicated off road riding, but
as this bike is an all rounder, and the hooks are fine for pavement, AND
since the hoods will be the OR default, that's OK. The rise at the flats
makes use of the interrupters difficult but not impossible. A better bar
would probably be the 46 cm VO Maes Parallel clone -- similar reach and
drop (125, 115) -- but no rando rise, and a bit wider.

We'll see -- VO or Boscoe?

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Jeremy Till  wrote:

> Just an update of some recent changes to my Quickbeam, riding the
> Appaloosa, and thoughts on upright riding in general.
>
>
> http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2013/05/spring-2013-becoming-upright.html
>
> I've talked about a lot of the same things here but wanted to kind of
> provide an overview of the stuff I'm thinking about and working on right
> now.  Comments welcomed!
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[RBW] How do you like your Rivs on centuries or longer vs. your "modern geometry aluminum/carbon road" bikes?

[Don Lyon]

I have ridden them all, near and far, heavy and light and, perhaps it is very 
personal and subjective, but there is nothing that can compare to lugged steel, 
especially my 60cm Sam Hillborne. That's the bike. The other part is the 
philosophy/attitude. Today i am more relaxed, more upright, somewhat slower and 
enjoying my time on the bike so much more. What i like most is that with all of 
that settled I don't have to endlessly search and analyze. Just pump up the 
tires,load what I need and be off!

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[RBW] Thoughts on going upright....

[Jeremy Till]

Just an update of some recent changes to my Quickbeam, riding the 
Appaloosa, and thoughts on upright riding in general.

http://handlebarchronicles.blogspot.com/2013/05/spring-2013-becoming-upright.html

I've talked about a lot of the same things here but wanted to kind of 
provide an overview of the stuff I'm thinking about and working on right 
now.  Comments welcomed!

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Re: [RBW] Another casual Saturday ride in So Cal

[René Sterental]

>
> That Atlantis seems to have a custom fork. What is it?


I like how the rack looks on the bike as well. Nice photos!

René


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[RBW] Re: San Juan Islands Tour Advice

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Hi Adam, 

I second what John said about using the Mukilteo/Clinton ferry and 
including Whidbey Island. There are a couple cool forts (turned state 
parks) that were built as civil defense during WW2. There's camping at a 
couple places along the length of Whidbey, so you could split the day a 
variety of ways. 

I didn't look at every turn... but something like 
this
.

Give a shout if you're in PDX, perhaps we can rally the troops and give you 
and yours a Riv welcome.

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Re: [RBW] Any advice for a Riv-friendly (roof) bicycle rack?

[René Sterental]

Hi Pierre,

The only roof racks that work well with fendered bikes are those that grab
the frame via the downtube. Of the few available, the one I like the most
is the Thule Criterium:
http://www.thule.com/en-us/us/products/bike-carriers/roofcarriers/598-criterium-_-598

The other one is the Yakima Raptor Aereo, but its design isn't as refined
as the Criterium.

I'm assuming you are using long fenders, such as Honjo or Berthoud. If you
are using shorter plastic fenders that don't reach so low behind the front
wheel, then any rack that holds the fork after you remove the front wheel
might do.

René

On Saturday, May 11, 2013, Pierre wrote:

> All,
>
> I have an outstanding hitch bike rack (Thule Euroway G2 923), but this
> option is now gone with our new car.
>
> I am looking to buy a roof bike rack that would accommodate nicely a
> fendered fat-tired bicycle with front rack (Mark's or Mini type), any
> advice?
>
> I've owned in the past a Yakima highroller, it did NOT work well with
> fenders.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pierre
>
> PS: my Thule Euroway G2 923 is for sale, make an offer off-list if
> interest, in the bay area (bought in Europe in 2011, so it has all the
> wiring for taillights, mandatory over there)
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[RBW] Re: San Juan Islands Tour Advice

[john]

Although it's not one of the San Juan Islands, Whidbey, just North of 
Seattle, is a nice island to cycle, and on the way to the islands. This 
might be worth consideration. When I toured the islands, I took Amtrak from 
Portland to Seattle and rode from Seattle to the Mukilteo Ferry (just north 
of Edmonds, I believe), where had a short trip across to Whidbey at 
Clinton. Riding the length of Whidbey in one day is easy (I believe it's 40 
miles long) and there is good camping on the North end at Deception Pass. 
Or you can continue across Deception Pass, off the island, and roll into 
Anacortes for the ferry to the "real" San Juan islands. 

If you've got the time, I recommend Whidbey as part of your adventure. If 
you do ride Whidbey, stay off the main North-South road, and keep to the 
edges. Less traffic and more sights.

On my return, I rode from Orcas Island to a friend's house up near Mt. 
Baker in one long day. The next morning, I rode down (about 15 miles) to 
the Amtrak station just outside of Bellingham and took the train back to 
Portland. It's a great way to save time on a tour and avoid the less 
spectacular riding. Make use of Amtrak wherever possible. It's fairly 
cheap, bringing bikes on board is easy, and you can save time to ride the 
places you really want to ride.

John


On Monday, May 13, 2013 5:42:32 PM UTC-7, Adam wrote:
>
> Greetings All,
>
> Planning a tour this summer for my wife and I up to the San Juan Islands. 
> We have about two weeks to spend on my Hillborne and her Atlantis exploring 
> the area. We live in Berkeley and are planning to take the amtrak up and 
> then ferry and cycle around.
>
> I know there are a bunch of NorWesters on this list and wanted to ask some 
> advice. We'll likely try to spend at least a day or two in Portland on our 
> way back as well.
>
> Is the Seattle Amtrak the best station to get off?
> If so, does this look like a good route to get to the ferry? 
> http://goo.gl/maps/uxOqM 
> Any campsites along that route that are recommended?
> Any words of wisdom about the islands themselves (things we must 
> see/avoid)?
>
> Looking forward to sharing images with the list when we return and also 
> open to any recommendations as they emerge.
>
> Cheers,
> Adam
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[RBW] Re: FW: FS; White Industries Crankset; TA Pedals (2 pairs); Nitto M12 Front Rack

[hobie]

On Monday, May 13, 2013 4:23:03 PM UTC-4, Mayfly wrote:
>
>
> ___ 
>
> PLEASE SEE THE ATTACHED PHOTO 
> Better Pics on request 
>
> Earlier WHITE INDUSTRIES 110-74 mm Crankset. 175mm arms stamped (on backs) 
> "Custom Forged in Japan for White Industries". I think these were custom 
> made by Sugino. Good quality chanrings made by "Real" (46 - 34 x 110, no 74 
> chainring), minimal wear. Asking $85 shipped CONUS 
>
> SPECIALTIES TA classic road pedals. Grey anodized cage. Excellent, used. 
> 9/16 thread. Asking $75 
>
> SPECIALTIES TA classic pista pedals. Grey anodized cage. In Box, New. 
> Minimal shopwear.. 9/16 thread. Asking $100 
>
> Nitto m12 Front Rack for Cantilever Brakes. Standard (not Paul) mounting 
> studs included. 
> $90 shipped CONUS 
>
> Email off list, please 
> msch...@nmsu.edu  
>
> Thanks, be well 
> Marc 
>

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[RBW] Re: FW: FS; White Industries Crankset; TA Pedals (2 pairs); Nitto M12 Front Rack

[Ron Mc]

go to the far right and click the drop down, then try reply to author
guess I'm a day late...

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:03:26 AM UTC-5, hobie wrote:
>
> Hi. Can't seem to figure out how to email off list, but I'll take the TA 
> road classic pedals for $75.00
> On Monday, May 13, 2013 4:23:03 PM UTC-4, Mayfly wrote:
>>
>>
>> ___ 
>>
>> PLEASE SEE THE ATTACHED PHOTO 
>> Better Pics on request 
>>
>> Earlier WHITE INDUSTRIES 110-74 mm Crankset. 175mm arms stamped (on 
>> backs) "Custom Forged in Japan for White Industries". I think these were 
>> custom made by Sugino. Good quality chanrings made by "Real" (46 - 34 x 
>> 110, no 74 chainring), minimal wear. Asking $85 shipped CONUS 
>>
>> SPECIALTIES TA classic road pedals. Grey anodized cage. Excellent, used. 
>> 9/16 thread. Asking $75 
>>
>> SPECIALTIES TA classic pista pedals. Grey anodized cage. In Box, New. 
>> Minimal shopwear.. 9/16 thread. Asking $100 
>>
>> Nitto m12 Front Rack for Cantilever Brakes. Standard (not Paul) mounting 
>> studs included. 
>> $90 shipped CONUS 
>>
>> Email off list, please 
>> msch...@nmsu.edu 
>>
>> Thanks, be well 
>> Marc 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FW: FS; White Industries Crankset; TA Pedals (2 pairs); Nitto M12 Front Rack

[hobie]

Hi. Can't seem to figure out how to email off list, but I'll take the TA 
road classic pedals for $75.00
On Monday, May 13, 2013 4:23:03 PM UTC-4, Mayfly wrote:
>
>
> ___ 
>
> PLEASE SEE THE ATTACHED PHOTO 
> Better Pics on request 
>
> Earlier WHITE INDUSTRIES 110-74 mm Crankset. 175mm arms stamped (on backs) 
> "Custom Forged in Japan for White Industries". I think these were custom 
> made by Sugino. Good quality chanrings made by "Real" (46 - 34 x 110, no 74 
> chainring), minimal wear. Asking $85 shipped CONUS 
>
> SPECIALTIES TA classic road pedals. Grey anodized cage. Excellent, used. 
> 9/16 thread. Asking $75 
>
> SPECIALTIES TA classic pista pedals. Grey anodized cage. In Box, New. 
> Minimal shopwear.. 9/16 thread. Asking $100 
>
> Nitto m12 Front Rack for Cantilever Brakes. Standard (not Paul) mounting 
> studs included. 
> $90 shipped CONUS 
>
> Email off list, please 
> msch...@nmsu.edu  
>
> Thanks, be well 
> Marc 
>

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[RBW] Re: FW: FS; White Industries Crankset; TA Pedals (2 pairs); Nitto M12 Front Rack

[hobie]

Hi. I'll take the TA classic road pedals for $75.00
On Monday, May 13, 2013 4:23:03 PM UTC-4, Mayfly wrote:
>
>
> ___ 
>
> PLEASE SEE THE ATTACHED PHOTO 
> Better Pics on request 
>
> Earlier WHITE INDUSTRIES 110-74 mm Crankset. 175mm arms stamped (on backs) 
> "Custom Forged in Japan for White Industries". I think these were custom 
> made by Sugino. Good quality chanrings made by "Real" (46 - 34 x 110, no 74 
> chainring), minimal wear. Asking $85 shipped CONUS 
>
> SPECIALTIES TA classic road pedals. Grey anodized cage. Excellent, used. 
> 9/16 thread. Asking $75 
>
> SPECIALTIES TA classic pista pedals. Grey anodized cage. In Box, New. 
> Minimal shopwear.. 9/16 thread. Asking $100 
>
> Nitto m12 Front Rack for Cantilever Brakes. Standard (not Paul) mounting 
> studs included. 
> $90 shipped CONUS 
>
> Email off list, please 
> msch...@nmsu.edu  
>
> Thanks, be well 
> Marc 
>

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[RBW] Re: How do you like your Rivs on centuries or longer vs. your "modern geometry aluminum/carbon road" bikes?

[Marc Irwin]

Without trying to get into specifics, my impression on longer rides is that 
the Riv's are way more comfortable and easier to manage over the long haul. 
 I think the combination of geometry and larger tires makes for much less 
effort over long distances.  I have ridden my Hunq fully loaded for over 
120miles on some days, slept on the ground at night, and woke up without an 
ache or pain.  I could never say that about a typical road bike, or even 
the LHT when I had it.

Marc

On Monday, May 13, 2013 6:12:47 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
>
> OK, just to clarify, y'all:
>>  
>>
> By "modern geometry", I meant the typical carbon bike shapes and angles of 
> construction you see these days in TdeF. Those kindsa bikes and their ilk 
> sold in shoppes around the USA today. 
>  
> The phrase was *not* meant to negative-image-state anything about what a 
> Riv bike geometry is.
>  
> Sorry for the poor phraseology in my question. Hope this clears it up.
>  
> So, any diff you feel between these bikes on centuries or more rides 
> compared to your Rivbikes?
>  
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Few Quickbeam Thoughts

[nawrock]

Eric, 
Thanks for posting this, sounds really nice. 

Dave Nawrocki 

Fort Collins, CO 

- Original Message -
From: "Eric Norris"  
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 10:28:32 PM 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: A Few Quickbeam Thoughts 


Well, all it takes to convert the S3X into a "standard" 3-speed hub is to spin 
on a single-speed freewheel (or a White Industries Dos Eno 2-speed). The hub is 
splined for standard Sturmey Archer cogs, but also threaded (BSC) to accept a 
freewheel. 


While this is totally conjecture on my part, my gut tells me that the lack of 
pawls in the S3X--and the fact that it is made for fixed gear riding--makes it 
more durable. The White Industries Eno freewheel I put on should be extremely 
reliable, and it can be rebuilt fairly easily if anything does break (S-A hubs 
are much harder to get into and repair). 


So far, it's working like a dream. Shifting is easier than in fixed gear mode, 
because the bike coasts. 


Gearing for my current setup (46x16) is: 77-58-46 Go down to a 44T chainring, 
and you'll get 73-55-44 


I'll keep everyone apprised of any news about the setup. As I said, so far, so 
good. 



--Eric 
campyonly...@me.com 
www.campyonly.com 
www.wheelsnorth.org 
Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
Twitter: @campyonlyguy 


On May 13, 2013, at 8:26 PM, charlie < cl_v...@hotmail.com > wrote: 


Explain this again..you used a three speed SA fixed gear hub with a 
freewheel and it shifts similar to a regular three speed internal hub but 
presumably it should be more reliable due to less internal stuff going on? I 
have SimpleOne and while I have a double/double set up or a DD if you will, I 
would enjoy shifting on the fly. School me yo. 

On Monday, May 13, 2013 11:11:28 AM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote: 

As you may know, I selected my original production Quickbeam to ride my 30th 
Davis Double Century this past weekend. I've always enjoyed riding the QB, 
which aside from a very brief period with a Sturmey-Archer 8-speed hub has 
always been a fixed gear. 

For the DC this year, I changed up the QB a bit, spinning a one-speed White 
Industries freewheel onto the Sturney-Archer S3X three-speed-fixed-gear hub 
that was already on the bike. To deal with the larger cog size (standard 
single-speed freewheels don't come smaller than 16T), I also put a 44T 
chainring on the stock SR crankset. 

First thought about this setup: It works great. Shifting was flawless, and the 
hub is absolutely silent while pedaling. By comparison, the 8-speed hub made 
clicking noise while pedaling, while coasting … all the time. It was a bit 
annoying. The S3X also locks up the internals in the top gear (1:1 drive), 
making it very efficient. I'm hoping that, since there are no pawls inside the 
hub, it should be even more reliable than a standard 3-speed hub. (The middle 
and low gears, by the way, are 75% and 60% of the top gear. On Saturday's ride, 
the climbing never got steeper than about 10%, and even then just for short 
pitches. I dropped into the middle gear a few times, but I did more than 90% of 
the ride in a 44x16 gear.) 

Second thought is how nice it was to have 700x28 tires. There are about 4 miles 
of hard-packed gravel road on the DC route this year, which gave me no trouble 
at all. I can imagine some of the go-fast guys out there next week for the 
official ride struggling with 700x20 tires. 

I'm planning to change out the crankset to one with a 46T ring this week, which 
will address a minor issue of being spun out at fast cruising speeds with the 
44x16. I'll report back on that. 

In the meantime, I'm thoroughly enjoying the QB in its latest incarnation. With 
fenders, a Schmidt hub, great lighting, and now gears and coasting, this is a 
great randonneuring machine. 

--Eric Norris 
campyo...@me.com 
www.campyonly.com 
campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 





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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy and Red Brooks

[bobish]

Just try it. You know you want to. ;) Then you'll know. Nobody can tell you for 
sure and trial and error should be viewed as not only necessary, but one of the 
pleasures of your avocation (a learning process worthy of its own discovery and 
delights). In other words, the process of learning about yourself and the bike 
should be enjoyed, not avoided. If it was me and the wiating for the red b-17 
was a long one, I'd pick up a used black (or whatever) and ride it while the 
red was on order. Then I'd know for sure that either I preferred the b-68 and 
cancel the red brooks, or wait with anticipation for its arrival. Most 
importantly, having crossed that off my investigation list, I'd move on to the 
next experiment.

Enjoy,
Perry

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Re: [RBW] Long commute in the PNW- advice?

[Matt Beebe]

Great suggestions above.  I also go 15 miles each way for work, and have 
been doing it for years. I don't have a shower at work, but find that I 
don't need one.I shower before I leave for work and that is sufficient. 
  Wool helps.(I don't work at a hospital, and figure that, if I can't 
show up to WORK with a little sweat on my back, I don't know what the world 
has come to anyway).

The best advice I can add is to map every possible way to bicycle to work, 
and try each of them out.   Eventually you find the best way (not always 
the shortest) and it's also good to have alternatives to switch things up a 
little.

I think you'll enjoy your commute.  I know that for me, it is often the 
best part of the day, even in the New England winter, and I *do* like my 
job :)


Matt

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[RBW] Re: Seattle vs Portland Country Bike Rumble - June 1st

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Randle, WA to Babyshoe Pass looks pretty great. 30-ish miles with a few 
steep bits but looks like mostly reasonable grades. Plus there're 4 
campgrounds within a mile or 2 of the Pass.

couldn't get the "link" button to work... did a quickie map job... 
http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2508110

I called the Gifford Pinchot Cowlitz Ranger Station this afternoon. The 
woman I spoke to was great. I told her what we wanted to do and she 
suggested that we head west on Forest Rd 74 (sort of near the the town of 
Mineral) into the GP Nat Forest. She said there are lots of decent dirt 
roads that just meander through the hills and valleys. She said access from 
the south (off Hwy 12) is possible too but it's largely checker-boarded 
with private timber land and Nat Forest land so access isn't as easy. 

Randle to Babyshoe Pass sounds more straight forward and plan-able so that 
has my vote. Logistics of getting to/from the meet-up can be worked out. 

--Smitty

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[RBW] Re: Seattle vs Portland Country Bike Rumble - June 1st

[hsmitham]

Manny,

Funny! I liked Jackies knickers. Too bad he didn't have a Nitto S83 post :-)

~Hugh

On Monday, May 13, 2013 5:36:10 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Or like this..
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecsGvqvskXw
>
> On Monday, May 13, 2013 5:35:13 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>
>> I imagine some type of face off where Seattlers and Portlanders meet and 
>> start snapping fingers while circling around each other on bikes. 
>> Twine verses twine war where the shellac and cloth tape will fly! Just 
>> imagine this but on bikes
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ecsGvqvskXw
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 9:46:03 AM UTC-7, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>>>
>>> Details are still being worked out. Just putting this out there so 
>>> people can put it on their calendars. 
>>>
>>> Looking at something with enough elevation to get views, perhaps a stint 
>>> on the Willapa Hills 
>>> Trail
>>>  or 
>>> something in the vicinity of Mt St Helens. I'm open to route suggestions if 
>>> you're familiar with the area (I'm not). 
>>>
>>> Would people be interested to do an overnighter?
>>>
>>> Feel free to post here or message me with comments, suggestions, rsvp, 
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> --Smitty
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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