[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
Giordano bibs. I spend about $150 per bib at the year end sale at competitivecyclist, which buys me their $250-$300 model bibs. I am also someone who doesn't understand how anyone can ride more than a mile while wearing regular shorts. I've never seen any padded shorts that came with a pad as comfortable as the pad on a good quality bib. If I'm mountain biking, I wear some Prana Mojo shorts over the bibs. On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:26:54 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
Giordana bibs. I spend about $150 per bib at the year end sale at competitivecyclist, which buys me their $250-$300 model bibs. I am also someone who doesn't understand how anyone can ride more than a mile while wearing regular shorts. I've never seen any padded shorts that came with a pad as comfortable as the pad on a good quality bib. If I'm mountain biking, I wear some Prana Mojo shorts over the bibs. On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:26:54 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
Giordana bibs. I spend about $150 at the year end sale at competitivecyclist, which buys me their $250-$300 model bibs. I am also someone who doesn't understand how anyone can ride more than a mile while wearing regular shorts. I've never seen any padded shorts with a pad as comfortable as the pad on a good quality bib. If I'm mountain biking, I wear some Prana Mojo shorts over the bibs. On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:26:54 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Stolen SimpleOne (Sacramento)
Oh, manwhat a beauty. :( I hope they catch the person. Good luck. On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 2:30:39 PM UTC-6, David wrote: These recovery attempts are a long-shot, but I have to try. My SimpleOne was stolen a couple weeks ago. Police report filed within 24 hours. No luck yet. Thanks for your time. http://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/3999794563.html https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-rMvcRJamiMM/UgqXU5mKF0I/AOk/ypqr2q1Vksg/s1600/IMG_0292.JPG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
I wear BCG ( UnderArmor and Adiddas also make them for more $) wicking sports briefs (with Bag Balm applied to my skin first) under wool shorts. I have Joneswares and Ibex (I get them in good used condition off Ebay and remove the pads. I have some RBW wool briefs but the crotch seam in them makes them a no go for long rides. For more relaxed rides, I wear Boosucker shorts over the wicking sports briefs. I find no pad needed when riding the Selle Anatomica saddles. (btw, they have introduced a heavier leather option for riders who felt their saddles were stretching/wearing too quickly) I got my first one back when RBW was selling them, and have since added a few more for other bikes. http://www.academy.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_10051_256315_-1__?color=BlackN=871287361+933739030 On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
Another one for the REI padded shorts which I'll wear under MUSA clothing. Like you, can do up to 20 miles in regular shorts but after that a lot of chafing occurs. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Bruce Herbitter bruce.herbit...@gmail.comwrote: I wear BCG ( UnderArmor and Adiddas also make them for more $) wicking sports briefs (with Bag Balm applied to my skin first) under wool shorts. I have Joneswares and Ibex (I get them in good used condition off Ebay and remove the pads. I have some RBW wool briefs but the crotch seam in them makes them a no go for long rides. For more relaxed rides, I wear Boosucker shorts over the wicking sports briefs. I find no pad needed when riding the Selle Anatomica saddles. (btw, they have introduced a heavier leather option for riders who felt their saddles were stretching/wearing too quickly) I got my first one back when RBW was selling them, and have since added a few more for other bikes. http://www.academy.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_10051_256315_-1__?color=BlackN=871287361+933739030 On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Post Courage Classic Pictures
For what it's worth, Hugh, no I don't. I mouth the smoke and that's it. Interestingly, I can't smoke regular tobacco, but have no issues with organic. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:49:43 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote: Deacon, You didn't inhale though? Right. The engine is aspirated...Big Grin. ~Hugh On Friday, August 9, 2013 6:05:02 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Looks like a great ride, Brian! Well done. Funny you mention passing some carbon folks. I passed a guy climbing a section of single track. I was fully loaded and he was day riding. He looked a bit demoralized. But he passed me again at the top as I enjoyed a last pipe before heading out. It's the engine that matters most on a bike. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Friday, August 9, 2013 12:22:46 AM UTC-6, Benedikt wrote: I loaded up my Sam and rode it on the Courage Classic again. Pictures to prove it! - http://www.flickr.com/photos/neutralbuoyancy/sets/72157634961282335/ This year I even took my saddle bags and my digital SLR camera. This brought the weight up to 47 pounds with empty water bottles. And actually it wasn't that bad. I even passed some carbon peeps. The Courage Classic is a three day/170 mile ride right here in the Washington Cascades. Each day climbs over a mountain pass. The Sam was a huge hit. There was a small crowd formed around it many times taking pictures and asking questions. To the one person in the RBW Owners Brunch who made a donation thank you again. If anyone else wants to donate here's the link to my fundraising page. There's still time. http://www.courageclassic.kintera.org/Brian_Pickart With your donation you're helping to stop the cycle of child abuse and neglect . 100% of your donation goes directly to the charity. The web page makes it appear that $25 dollars is the least you can give however ANY amount can be entered in the box. $5, $10, $15, $20 dollars all gladly accepted. Skip out on your morning latte. Feel good about helping kids and a friend reach his fundraising goal! - Brian in Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
I've worn merino wool underwear for years for my running and daily living. Works great biking too, though I do not live in a hot and humid climate, which I've heard challenges the merino. For shorts, I wear MUSA shorts. Rides of 70+ miles/day for multiple days on tour. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:26:54 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
I wear MEC (Canada's REI) chamois cycling shorts under an old pair of DC skateboarding pants which I've chopped into shorts. Combined with a leather saddle like a B17, it's a great working combo. KJ On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:26:54 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Post Courage Classic Pictures
On 08/14/2013 07:58 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote: For what it's worth, Hugh, no I don't. I mouth the smoke and that's it. Interestingly, I can't smoke regular tobacco, but have no issues with organic. Still, an excellent way to maintain your nicotine addiction, and promote cancers of the mouth, tongue and throat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
polyester athletic boxer briefs and MUSA shorts - no sweat worries On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:26:54 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
Deac, I wear merino wool boxer briefs in winter (even have some knicker-length), but I do live in a hot humid climate, and the BCG or Russell Performance polyester is the choice for summer On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 7:32:50 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: polyester athletic boxer briefs and MUSA shorts - no sweat worries On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:26:54 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
Musa or Musa style shorts. Base layer either Capilene or merino wool depending on weather. Few years back under heavy peer pressure from the group on a tour I tried some high end padded shorts. I found the damn things uncomfortably clammy. The pads act like a sponge gathering sweat and storing heat. Definitely not for me. On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:26:54 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Post Courage Classic Pictures
Thanks for your concern, Steve. Nicotine addiction is minimal to nonexistent. In my 15 years of pipe smoking, I've often gone without a pipe for weeks or months (for any number of reasons) and never experienced any withdrawal or craving. But then I've never liked heavy tobacco. Cancer risk is greatly diminished if smoking at proper temperatures (not too hot a pipe) and smoking pure tobacco without the hundreds of additives in cigarettes. But you are right, it is still a risk. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:21:36 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 08/14/2013 07:58 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote: For what it's worth, Hugh, no I don't. I mouth the smoke and that's it. Interestingly, I can't smoke regular tobacco, but have no issues with organic. Still, an excellent way to maintain your nicotine addiction, and promote cancers of the mouth, tongue and throat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
J G touring shorts (http://www.bicycleclothing.com/Mens-Touring-Shorts.html). The fleece pad works great. These cured my saddle sore problem. On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:26:54 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Back to Earth 2
loved the video On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:33:35 AM UTC-5, Manuel Acosta wrote: A couple of months ago, my buddy Jesus Beltran of Zumpango Films and I went on a S240 to Half Moon Bay. You can read about it here. http://flic.kr/s/aHsjGmF74X Again, Chin did a great job capturing the general feel for the whole ride. Not all great adventures are memorable for the things you want it to be. Video proved that Chin filmed it. http://vimeo.com/zumpangofilms/backtoearthtwo -Manny There's another one?! Acosta -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Back to Earth 2
Watching that made me think The bicycle is an absolutely beautiful and wonderful machine. I loved the soundtrack. Thanks. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Back to Earth 2
Fantastic, Manny! It does a wonderful job revealing the beauty of perseverance and the joy of being out no matter the weather. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:33:35 AM UTC-6, Manuel Acosta wrote: A couple of months ago, my buddy Jesus Beltran of Zumpango Films and I went on a S240 to Half Moon Bay. You can read about it here. http://flic.kr/s/aHsjGmF74X Again, Chin did a great job capturing the general feel for the whole ride. Not all great adventures are memorable for the things you want it to be. Video proved that Chin filmed it. http://vimeo.com/zumpangofilms/backtoearthtwo -Manny There's another one?! Acosta -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
As others have said, some of this (a lot?) depends on where you live and then the distance you're going to ride. For a couple of hours Ex Officio boxer briefs under almost any shorts work really well for me. But on longer rides, here in Virginia with high humidity, especially in the summer, I need something to soak up sweat. I use Boure shorts and Ibex wool shorts. Boure uses very thin padding; Ibex are a little more padded. I like them both a lot--less for the padding (my B17 is comfortable) and more for their ability to manage moisture. For me, here in VA, wearing padded underwear underneath another pair of shorts (MUSAs or whatever) sounds as if it'd be too hot. Maybe not. I like wearing bike shorts: a good pair simply disappear beneath you. Good luck! Christian On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:08:55 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: J G touring shorts ( http://www.bicycleclothing.com/Mens-Touring-Shorts.html). The fleece pad works great. These cured my saddle sore problem. On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:26:54 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
I'm on the Manny program. I ride in underwear (usually Patagucci lighweight briefs or Ibex boxers, both of which are everyday garments) and MUSA shorts. All my bikes have Brooks B17 saddles in varied states of wear, which work for me and always have. I've done one-day double centuries multiple times with this set up with no trouble. Padded shorts are fine, and I ride in Ibex bibs from time to time, but on longer rides of over forty miles or so they actually seem to be less comfortable. Assumptions: 1) rider is fit enough for the distance; 2) bike fit is close enough to good; 3) rider expectations are reasonable (any saddle / shorts / fit / shoes / etc. combo is going to result on some small amount of contact awareness relative to sitting on a couch for an hour). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
Bib shorts. I ride with a road club so I buy several pair every year. I wear the new ones on longer (50 mi) and the older ones on shorter rides. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
I am very comfortable with RBW's Australian wool trunk underwear, and some thin baggy nylon outer shorts (MUSA, Royal Robbins, etc.). The MUSA wool undies are too thin for my taste, while the Norwegian Devold version has a funny cut. The AustrALian wool underwear is absolutely perfect, and I can do a 115k ride with plenty energy and saddle comfort to spare. No diaper pads for me. - Andrew, Berkeley On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:26:54 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
My favorites are the Patagonia stand-up shorts with the lightweight Devold wool underwear. I've done 90+ miles with a heavy load along the pacific coast and never had any trouble. Might not work as well though if it was really hot. For me, this is plenty of padding, and it breathes well. That's riding on a Brooks Flyer with no cutouts. Michael Allen On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:26:54 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
19/20/21 in case a few can stick around another day? On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: Do you think we could do it? Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and ride and sit around a campfire. I used to do this kind of thing back in my motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a year or two. Whatcha'll think? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
This is a little bit cool: If the Jamboree gets off the ground in 2014, it will coincide with the year of Rivendell's 20th Anniversery. On Aug 14, 2013, at 8:34 AM, allenmichael wrote: 19/20/21 in case a few can stick around another day? On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: Do you think we could do it? Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and ride and sit around a campfire. I used to do this kind of thing back in my motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a year or two. Whatcha'll think? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 12:15 AM, samh rbwown...@yahoo.com wrote: I am also someone who doesn't understand how anyone can ride more than a mile while wearing regular shorts. You develop protective calluses, so it works out fine. Personally, I hate the feel of tight, clammy lycra, and gave up on cycling shorts years ago. I think bike fit has a lot more to do with crotchal comfort than padding. I do have a couple of pairs of wool cycling shorts that I'd use for longer distances, but so far, I've had no problems with rides of 3 hours -- my usual max -- even in humid weather (rainy season here brings humidity to back-east levels). Perhaps the secret is original edition Flite saddles? -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Post Courage Classic Pictures
Deacon, I apologize if in my attempt at humor and a dash of concern I have offended. I for one have lost family members to cancer related to smoking, you bring up the point about the additives which are principally to enhance the effects of nicotine...they in affect make the tobacco more addictive so glad to hear your at the least reducing the risk. There is the notion that one should enjoy some simple pleasures in life. Best to you. ~Hugh On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Thanks for your concern, Steve. Nicotine addiction is minimal to nonexistent. In my 15 years of pipe smoking, I've often gone without a pipe for weeks or months (for any number of reasons) and never experienced any withdrawal or craving. But then I've never liked heavy tobacco. Cancer risk is greatly diminished if smoking at proper temperatures (not too hot a pipe) and smoking pure tobacco without the hundreds of additives in cigarettes. But you are right, it is still a risk. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:21:36 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 08/14/2013 07:58 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote: For what it's worth, Hugh, no I don't. I mouth the smoke and that's it. Interestingly, I can't smoke regular tobacco, but have no issues with organic. Still, an excellent way to maintain your nicotine addiction, and promote cancers of the mouth, tongue and throat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/rGoJ5OLLh00/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Post Courage Classic Pictures
Och, Hugh! No offense taken and concern appreciated. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:58:09 AM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote: Deacon, I apologize if in my attempt at humor and a dash of concern I have offended. I for one have lost family members to cancer related to smoking, you bring up the point about the additives which are principally to enhance the effects of nicotine...they in affect make the tobacco more addictive so glad to hear your at the least reducing the risk. There is the notion that one should enjoy some simple pleasures in life. Best to you. ~Hugh On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comjavascript: wrote: Thanks for your concern, Steve. Nicotine addiction is minimal to nonexistent. In my 15 years of pipe smoking, I've often gone without a pipe for weeks or months (for any number of reasons) and never experienced any withdrawal or craving. But then I've never liked heavy tobacco. Cancer risk is greatly diminished if smoking at proper temperatures (not too hot a pipe) and smoking pure tobacco without the hundreds of additives in cigarettes. But you are right, it is still a risk. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:21:36 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 08/14/2013 07:58 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote: For what it's worth, Hugh, no I don't. I mouth the smoke and that's it. Interestingly, I can't smoke regular tobacco, but have no issues with organic. Still, an excellent way to maintain your nicotine addiction, and promote cancers of the mouth, tongue and throat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/rGoJ5OLLh00/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
My favorites are the Patagonia stand-up shorts with the lightweight Devold wool underwear. I've done 90+ miles with a heavy load along the pacific coast and never had any trouble. Might not work as well though if it was really hot. For me, this is plenty of padding, and it breathes well. I wish Patagonia made the stand-ups a little longer as I always neglect to put enough sun screen on my knees. They are definitely great for long rides. Must say the lack of any sort of consensus from the RBW folks on these polls is quite refreshing. Riv/GP fans come from all corners! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
I think as Manny say's just pick a date and place, everything else will fall into place. Jim that is cool 20 years. Liesl we should start with voting of the three locations. I'm still wishing for that fourth location. Mr Gifford Pinchot has a nice place. ~Hugh On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:48 AM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.netwrote: This is a little bit cool: If the Jamboree gets off the ground in 2014, it will coincide with the year of Rivendell's 20th Anniversery. On Aug 14, 2013, at 8:34 AM, allenmichael wrote: 19/20/21 in case a few can stick around another day? On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: Do you think we could do it? Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and ride and sit around a campfire. I used to do this kind of thing back in my motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a year or two. Whatcha'll think? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/i87JbNYav-A/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
Gifford Pinchot in 2015, I guess, but let's pick a location and time for next year. So far Manny's bid of China Camp (just north of SF), July 19-20, is the only specific proposal. So, faute de mieux, I guess we have to pick it? On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote: I think as Manny say's just pick a date and place, everything else will fall into place. Jim that is cool 20 years. Liesl we should start with voting of the three locations. I'm still wishing for that fourth location. Mr Gifford Pinchot has a nice place. ~Hugh On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:48 AM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: This is a little bit cool: If the Jamboree gets off the ground in 2014, it will coincide with the year of Rivendell's 20th Anniversery. On Aug 14, 2013, at 8:34 AM, allenmichael wrote: 19/20/21 in case a few can stick around another day? On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: Do you think we could do it? Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and ride and sit around a campfire. I used to do this kind of thing back in my motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a year or two. Whatcha'll think? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/i87JbNYav-A/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
It goes against Doctrine but I like bib shorts in particular Castelli or DeMarchi, I find wool boxer briefs with MUSA shorts fine for rides under 20 miles but for the longer stuff I go to the bibs. I hear great things about Ibex wool blend bibs and intend to try them some day. As for Jerseys 5 years ago it was basically 100% poly blend in my closet and now its nearly all Merino wool jerseys/polos/t shirts love stuff and can't really imagine wearing a poly jersey again. Ryan On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:26:54 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
When I commute to work (12 miles one-way), I wear my padded woolies under my pants (shorts in summer, jeans in winter), and a wool jersey. This way I can just throw on a clean shirt when I get to the office. No fuss, no muss. I stopped wearing SPDs three years ago, and just use tennis shoes or SPD-less touring shoes. Grip Kings work great, and walking around is a lot easier than in SPDs. Haven't looked back since. No regrets; I don't miss SPDs at all. -Steve DeMont Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
Oh, and on longer rides (more than 40 miles), I wear my wool jersey and shorts. Basically, just go for what's comfortable for whatever ride I'm doing; sometimes I'm just don't feel like suiting up these days. Steve DeMont Seatle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
Wool boxer briefs plus swrve shorts. Honestly, I just like the look of them, and they're comfortable enough. cc On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:00 AM, SteveD stephendem...@gmail.com wrote: When I commute to work (12 miles one-way), I wear my padded woolies under my pants (shorts in summer, jeans in winter), and a wool jersey. This way I can just throw on a clean shirt when I get to the office. No fuss, no muss. I stopped wearing SPDs three years ago, and just use tennis shoes or SPD-less touring shoes. Grip Kings work great, and walking around is a lot easier than in SPDs. Haven't looked back since. No regrets; I don't miss SPDs at all. -Steve DeMont Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
1. Regular clothes for commuting. 2. Musa knickers over Devold wool undies for all distances over 20 miles when riding on a Brooks saddle. 3. Rapha bibs for all distances over 20 miles when riding on a skinny saddle. On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:26:54 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. I think Grant is a LOT less anti than people seem to think. What's the worst thing Grant has ever said about padded bike shorts? In my experience, the worst thing he's ever said about padded bike shorts is his use of the term diaper. I think that's a very poorly chosen word, and it is insulting, and unnecessarily mean. Mark Abele wears regular padded bicycle shorts and I would bet a dollar that Grant does not insult Mark or Mark's clothing when he rolls in. Hey Mark! Nice DIAPER! I just don't see that happening. Grant's true stance, as I understand it, is not anti-padded-shorts. Grant is anti-the-industry-telling-you-that-you-MUST-wear-padded-shorts. Grant emphatically tells you to wear what works for you. Grant tells you to wear what you've got. Grant tells you that you don't have to think that you need to wear a bicycle uniform to operate a bicycle. If you want to wear bike clothes, go ahead. Just don't feel like you have to apologize to anyone if you want to ride your bike in Birkenstocks and board shorts. You don't need a walking uniform, so you don't need a bicycle uniform. First and foremost it is YOUR choice, and don't let anyone choose for you. That's what Grant says. Maybe I'm wrong about it, but on this topic I think many people misunderstand Grant's position. I believe that misunderstanding is part of what earns Grant the largely unfair reputation as a retro-grouch. He's not the least grouchy man I've met, but he's definitely on the less grouchy end of the spectrum, in my book. Stubborn on many things, sure. On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:26:54 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Opniel knives
http://www.rivbike.com/Opinel-Knife-p/knife01.htm - Someone should tell Grant that Opniel will custom-engrave knives http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Glass/P3210134crop.jpg - it would be cool to see Riv-logo knives -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] FS: 59c A. Homer Hilsen
Lowered price on AHH. Frame has less than 100 miles on it. Bought this bike as a go fast build to complement my other AHH but went another way. Excellent condition. Fenders are off another Hilsen and Brooks has some scrapes on it, but everything else is either new or almost new with little wear. New price is $2699.9 speed Dura Ace triple bar end shifters and everything else is a normal Rivendell build. I do have some Schwalbe 47c tires if you'd rather have them installedThanks ...as usual, contact me off-line.PeterG https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-FKgCI_ar69o/UgvGNcVRKhI/AF4/0D2ngjVn7N4/s1600/003.JPG https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-E-C6WV6LBb8/UgvGXF4NsmI/AGA/6_koVGUPZgM/s1600/008.JPG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Opniel knives
I found it pretty funny that both Opinel knives and artisan soaps are now on the new items page at Velo-Orange as well. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/Opinel-Knife-p/knife01.htm - Someone should tell Grant that Opniel will custom-engrave knives http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Glass/P3210134crop.jpg - it would be cool to see Riv-logo knives -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
well said Bill. While baggy shorts and Exofficio briefs work well for me on more casual rides or tours, a long warm weather ride where I'm going at a good pace for me means good quality lycra shorts. I do prefer a thin pad and simple black color. Winter is wool knickers from Ibex or Ground Effect from NZ. For baggies, I do like climbing shorts with their stretchy fabric like the Kuhl Renegades or OR Contour's. The Riv baggies are too baggy for my taste and don't stretch. ~mike Carlsbad Ca. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:55:01 AM UTC-7, William wrote: I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. I think Grant is a LOT less anti than people seem to think. What's the worst thing Grant has ever said about padded bike shorts? In my experience, the worst thing he's ever said about padded bike shorts is his use of the term diaper. I think that's a very poorly chosen word, and it is insulting, and unnecessarily mean. Mark Abele wears regular padded bicycle shorts and I would bet a dollar that Grant does not insult Mark or Mark's clothing when he rolls in. Hey Mark! Nice DIAPER! I just don't see that happening. Grant's true stance, as I understand it, is not anti-padded-shorts. Grant is anti-the-industry-telling-you-that-you-MUST-wear-padded-shorts. Grant emphatically tells you to wear what works for you. Grant tells you to wear what you've got. Grant tells you that you don't have to think that you need to wear a bicycle uniform to operate a bicycle. If you want to wear bike clothes, go ahead. Just don't feel like you have to apologize to anyone if you want to ride your bike in Birkenstocks and board shorts. You don't need a walking uniform, so you don't need a bicycle uniform. First and foremost it is YOUR choice, and don't let anyone choose for you. That's what Grant says. Maybe I'm wrong about it, but on this topic I think many people misunderstand Grant's position. I believe that misunderstanding is part of what earns Grant the largely unfair reputation as a retro-grouch. He's not the least grouchy man I've met, but he's definitely on the less grouchy end of the spectrum, in my book. Stubborn on many things, sure. On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:26:54 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Big Rivendell Sale Today Only
Shout it on the rooftops. Share with your friends. All lights, all web specials, new grey/blue shorts, Olive SaddleSack Mediums, Grip Kings, and Sage tops all 10% today only. Also, free shipping on orders over $50 (continental US, not oversized) today. It all ends at midnight. Big Sam bill due now, so every order helps. Thanks! Dave -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Back to Earth 2
Very nice loved the trip by bike and the union suit ;-) makes me realize I need to S24O soon ! On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:33:35 AM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote: A couple of months ago, my buddy Jesus Beltran of Zumpango Films and I went on a S240 to Half Moon Bay. You can read about it here. http://flic.kr/s/aHsjGmF74X Again, Chin did a great job capturing the general feel for the whole ride. Not all great adventures are memorable for the things you want it to be. Video proved that Chin filmed it. http://vimeo.com/zumpangofilms/backtoearthtwo -Manny There's another one?! Acosta -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
Umm. Cycling shorts? Maybe for a few errands from home or work that are short (5 mi), I'll wear whatever I have on, but anything over that - bike-specific bottoms. I have a princess and the pea undercarriage. On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:26:54 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
When I ride my Atlantis I wear cotton briefs and regular gym shorts from Target. This combo has served me well on tour. I would like to try some wool briefs. When I ride my Roadeo I use padded underwear under my Target shorts. On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 11:26:54 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 56 cm Sam Hillborne or wait for the 58 cm?
10% off that Sam special 56 today. I say go for it. That is a screaming deal. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
I think diaper is a great name for padded shorts and I don't think it is mean at all. It's just snide. Of course, I must be thick skinned since I don't need one for my riding (though I have a few in reserve for those ever elusive 50 milers. Patrick diapers forever! Moore On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:55 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: the worst thing he's ever said about padded bike shorts is his use of the term diaper. I think that's a very poorly chosen word, and it is insulting, and unnecessarily mean. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
I agree. There ain't nothing wrong with cyclin' shorts for the 100 mile ride. If you don't like the look, then you can get the baggy mountain-biking type or wear regular shorts over them. I generally go bib-shorts or bib-knickers on 150-mile+ rides. --Perhaps there is some skin strengthening with callouses (to avoid chafing), but in general, the sit bones get acclimated, and that has nothing to do with callouses (in my experience). I don't really know why, but the bones don't hurt anymore after riding for long long times. I generally won't get chafing issues on rides under 50 miles, so I can pretty much wear normal/comfortable clothing of any sort for these sorts of rides... As an aside, I went horseback riding the other day for the second time in my life and my wife was suffering in her sit bones for days (she gets that from biking long distances too), but I didn't notice a thing and I wasn't wearing diapers :). I agree with Bill and Grant that the preconceived notion that you have to wear diapers to cycle is ludicrous and a disservice to the cycling community. However, the cycling clothing was developed and serves a function for certain rides, and snubbing that because the pros use them or you don't like the look may result in missing out on comfort (i.e. you are using the clothing because it serves a purpose--not because it conforms to any group of people or riders). Toshi in Oakland, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
I suppose I need to go look up the real definition of the word snide, then. I always considered snide to be an adjective, meaning: 1. Derogatory or mocking in an indirect way: snide remarks I also considered mean to be on the list of synonyms for snide. I do applaud your double entendre, thick skinned. You have a literal thick-skin (butt-callouses) so you don't need bike shorts, and you have a metaphorical thick-skin so you aren't insulted by derogatory or mocking statements that aren't directed at you. Very well played. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:13:42 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: I think diaper is a great name for padded shorts and I don't think it is mean at all. It's just snide. Of course, I must be thick skinned since I don't need one for my riding (though I have a few in reserve for those ever elusive 50 milers. Patrick diapers forever! Moore On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:55 AM, William tape...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: the worst thing he's ever said about padded bike shorts is his use of the term diaper. I think that's a very poorly chosen word, and it is insulting, and unnecessarily mean. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com javascript: http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] FS wool cycling shorts size M / L
With the popularity of the what do we rivs wear thread I thought I would offer these up to the group before putting them on the auction site. Icebreaker Merino Wool / Lycra padded cycling shorts Size L plus Outdoor Research quick dry baggy shorts Size L Both Black - the OR pair have been worn a couple times but the Icebreaker shorts are new with tags intact. These should both fit someone with a waist in the 34-36 inch range. $40 shipped for the pair. Thanks - offlist to buy Jason SF,CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
Michael, I like Boure synthetic bibs for long rides. They have thinner pad and good placement. They have worked best for me on warm (60 degree plus) rides. The Ibex bibs work well in rain or cooler temp long rides. The Ibex have a thicker and larger pad than the Boure bibs. The wool bibs wear out quicker, maybe 5000 miles or so of hard riding. I have had horrible luck with Woolistic shorts and bibs, they consistently wear out after maybe 1000-2000 miles. Not worth the cost in my book. I live and ride in Northern California and Oregon. My bars are usually a good one to two inches below my saddle so these might not work as well for upright riding. Gabe On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:26:54 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Opniel knives
They are all the rage. Heritage products man, heritage products. To be fair, VO had the knives first. Most likely to mirror Riv's hatchets. It's a funny arms race brewing up. I like Opinel knives, been using one for a few years now. Still sharp, looks good. The ones Riv have are a bit too esoteric to actually be useful knives. IMHO at least. Gabe On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:12:35 AM UTC-7, William wrote: I found it pretty funny that both Opinel knives and artisan soaps are now on the new items page at Velo-Orange as well. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/Opinel-Knife-p/knife01.htm - Someone should tell Grant that Opniel will custom-engrave knives http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Glass/P3210134crop.jpg - it would be cool to see Riv-logo knives -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
I think the whole diaper thing - snide or not - goes with gel padded Lightweight saddles and chafing cremes. I personally believe the more you wear, the worse the problem becomes - it becomes a sweaty padded mess. I think most on this forum have reached a similar conclusion about saddle choice and comfort. Weight weenies don't ride Brooks. My buddy and his wife are going through the time in the saddle ordeal with her - she wears padded pants but isn't made the brunt of diaper jokes. Part of the problem, he is making her ride a Bertoud Cork Marie Blanque because he likes the matching saddle pair on their tandem. I think he should move her much wider B67S to the tandem. But my buddy is hoping she will outgrow this phase in some manner. Ultimately, time in the saddle becomes its own solution, so Patrick is on to something about calloused sit bones. Gabe On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:26:54 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Opniel knives
Yes, the funniness had nothing to do with who had them first, and I didn't intend to imply that anyone copied anyone. I only found humor in both establishments choosing to carry them this summer. Clearly both Grant and Chris used them as boys, just like countless others have. Maybe they'll both carry Wiffle Inc products, which are still miraculously made in Fairfield, Connecticut. Bill Heritage products! Lindsay On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:03:10 PM UTC-7, oldmangabe wrote: They are all the rage. Heritage products man, heritage products. To be fair, VO had the knives first. Most likely to mirror Riv's hatchets. It's a funny arms race brewing up. I like Opinel knives, been using one for a few years now. Still sharp, looks good. The ones Riv have are a bit too esoteric to actually be useful knives. IMHO at least. Gabe On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:12:35 AM UTC-7, William wrote: I found it pretty funny that both Opinel knives and artisan soaps are now on the new items page at Velo-Orange as well. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/Opinel-Knife-p/knife01.htm - Someone should tell Grant that Opniel will custom-engrave knives http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Glass/P3210134crop.jpg - it would be cool to see Riv-logo knives -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Opniel knives
Soaps Hatchets Pocket knives Leather Wool Twine Steel What middle aged white dudes like. Am I middle aged already? Young (for this demographic) at just 40, Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Opniel knives
They're certainly useful for camping. I've had a No. 8 in my backpacking kit for 20+ years. Great for food prep and misc. needs. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Opniel knives
Though soaps I have no use for, so clearly still some Scots in there! Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:44:36 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: Am I white already? I thought I was Scottish. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:17:25 PM UTC-6, Edwin W wrote: Soaps Hatchets Pocket knives Leather Wool Twine Steel What middle aged white dudes like. Am I middle aged already? Young (for this demographic) at just 40, Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Opniel knives
Am I white already? I thought I was Scottish. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:17:25 PM UTC-6, Edwin W wrote: Soaps Hatchets Pocket knives Leather Wool Twine Steel What middle aged white dudes like. Am I middle aged already? Young (for this demographic) at just 40, Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
My purpose in my snide remark (not really snide, more ironic) was to say that sometimes we are far, far too earnest, and that we take offense far, far too easily. FWIW, I fully agree with Toshi that bike clothing has evolved for its usefulness and that one should wear it as and when it serves its purpose. Patrick Diapers! Onward and Upward! Moore On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:38 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose I need to go look up the real definition of the word snide, then. I always considered snide to be an adjective, meaning: 1. Derogatory or mocking in an indirect way: snide remarks I also considered mean to be on the list of synonyms for snide. I do applaud your double entendre, thick skinned. You have a literal thick-skin (butt-callouses) so you don't need bike shorts, and you have a metaphorical thick-skin so you aren't insulted by derogatory or mocking statements that aren't directed at you. Very well played. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:13:42 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: I think diaper is a great name for padded shorts and I don't think it is mean at all. It's just snide. Of course, I must be thick skinned since I don't need one for my riding (though I have a few in reserve for those ever elusive 50 milers. Patrick diapers forever! Moore On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:55 AM, William tape...@gmail.com wrote: the worst thing he's ever said about padded bike shorts is his use of the term diaper. I think that's a very poorly chosen word, and it is insulting, and unnecessarily mean. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/**index.htmlhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@**resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/**patrickmooreresumespec/http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
jortz On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: My purpose in my snide remark (not really snide, more ironic) was to say that sometimes we are far, far too earnest, and that we take offense far, far too easily. FWIW, I fully agree with Toshi that bike clothing has evolved for its usefulness and that one should wear it as and when it serves its purpose. Patrick Diapers! Onward and Upward! Moore On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:38 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose I need to go look up the real definition of the word snide, then. I always considered snide to be an adjective, meaning: 1. Derogatory or mocking in an indirect way: snide remarks I also considered mean to be on the list of synonyms for snide. I do applaud your double entendre, thick skinned. You have a literal thick-skin (butt-callouses) so you don't need bike shorts, and you have a metaphorical thick-skin so you aren't insulted by derogatory or mocking statements that aren't directed at you. Very well played. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:13:42 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: I think diaper is a great name for padded shorts and I don't think it is mean at all. It's just snide. Of course, I must be thick skinned since I don't need one for my riding (though I have a few in reserve for those ever elusive 50 milers. Patrick diapers forever! Moore On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:55 AM, William tape...@gmail.com wrote: the worst thing he's ever said about padded bike shorts is his use of the term diaper. I think that's a very poorly chosen word, and it is insulting, and unnecessarily mean. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/**index.htmlhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@**resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/**patrickmooreresumespec/http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Opniel knives
Are the Opinel knives better than, say, Victorinox knives? Is it a retro thing or do they have better blades? If not Opinel or Victorinox, what is a good pocketknife for casual and occasional use, no more than 3 long -- single blade is fine. I'm no connaisseur, obviously, but I'd like to have one. I've got a Victorinox Swiss model but wouldn't mind another one with more bulk devoted to the main blade and less to accessories. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 2:03 PM, oldmangabe oldmang...@gmail.com wrote: They are all the rage. Heritage products man, heritage products. To be fair, VO had the knives first. Most likely to mirror Riv's hatchets. It's a funny arms race brewing up. I like Opinel knives, been using one for a few years now. Still sharp, looks good. The ones Riv have are a bit too esoteric to actually be useful knives. IMHO at least. Gabe On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:12:35 AM UTC-7, William wrote: I found it pretty funny that both Opinel knives and artisan soaps are now on the new items page at Velo-Orange as well. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/Opinel-**Knife-p/knife01.htmhttp://www.rivbike.com/Opinel-Knife-p/knife01.htm - Someone should tell Grant that Opniel will custom-engrave knives http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Glass/P3210134crop.jpg - it would be cool to see Riv-logo knives -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Big Rivendell Sale Today Only
Wonderful! Placed my order late last evening so as not to miss my MUSA shorts window. No discount, no free shipping. Fiddlesticks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
Hey Anne and group,I guess I was confusing in my post. I was just putting in a good word for the midwest. I live in San Fran and would have no way of hosting in the midwest. -Mike Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2013, at 9:36 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: So we now, if I have gone through the messages correctly, have three bids: Jim Thill volunteers to host a gathering in late September in northern Wisconsin. Michael Williams volunteers to host a gathering in Minneapolis, no time specified Manny Acosta volunteers to host in at China Camp, which is just north of San Francisco July 13-14. (I volunteer to help with organizing if this is the winner. Someone else, whose name I forget, also volunteer to help with organizing.) Let's discuss these three bids and pick one. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:17 AM, allenmichael allenmich...@mac.com wrote: I'm offering to assist with Manny's bay area bid. Michael Allen On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 7:40:24 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: Do you think we could do it? Plan it out far enough ahead of time (like a year), figure out a place that people from far way and not the whole summer to ride can get to by plane or train or car and figure out how to get their bikes there...a place with good riding country...an organizing group that's local...I just think it would be so utterly fantastic to meet everyone and ride and sit around a campfire. I used to do this kind of thing back in my motorcycling days and made some very dear friends that i'd only see once a year or two. Whatcha'll think? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
I second the jorts!! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2013, at 2:05 PM, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.com wrote: jortz On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: My purpose in my snide remark (not really snide, more ironic) was to say that sometimes we are far, far too earnest, and that we take offense far, far too easily. FWIW, I fully agree with Toshi that bike clothing has evolved for its usefulness and that one should wear it as and when it serves its purpose. Patrick Diapers! Onward and Upward! Moore On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:38 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose I need to go look up the real definition of the word snide, then. I always considered snide to be an adjective, meaning: Derogatory or mocking in an indirect way: snide remarks I also considered mean to be on the list of synonyms for snide. I do applaud your double entendre, thick skinned. You have a literal thick-skin (butt-callouses) so you don't need bike shorts, and you have a metaphorical thick-skin so you aren't insulted by derogatory or mocking statements that aren't directed at you. Very well played. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:13:42 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: I think diaper is a great name for padded shorts and I don't think it is mean at all. It's just snide. Of course, I must be thick skinned since I don't need one for my riding (though I have a few in reserve for those ever elusive 50 milers. Patrick diapers forever! Moore On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:55 AM, William tape...@gmail.com wrote: the worst thing he's ever said about padded bike shorts is his use of the term diaper. I think that's a very poorly chosen word, and it is insulting, and unnecessarily mean. -- RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED! Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED! Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Opniel knives
Carbon blades are the only reason to get Opinel knives that I can see, other than good value for a stainless blade. Carbon holds a sharper edge than stainless, but requires actual care (oiling as needed) to prevent rust. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:07:15 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: Are the Opinel knives better than, say, Victorinox knives? Is it a retro thing or do they have better blades? If not Opinel or Victorinox, what is a good pocketknife for casual and occasional use, no more than 3 long -- single blade is fine. I'm no connaisseur, obviously, but I'd like to have one. I've got a Victorinox Swiss model but wouldn't mind another one with more bulk devoted to the main blade and less to accessories. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 2:03 PM, oldmangabe oldma...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: They are all the rage. Heritage products man, heritage products. To be fair, VO had the knives first. Most likely to mirror Riv's hatchets. It's a funny arms race brewing up. I like Opinel knives, been using one for a few years now. Still sharp, looks good. The ones Riv have are a bit too esoteric to actually be useful knives. IMHO at least. Gabe On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:12:35 AM UTC-7, William wrote: I found it pretty funny that both Opinel knives and artisan soaps are now on the new items page at Velo-Orange as well. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/Opinel-**Knife-p/knife01.htmhttp://www.rivbike.com/Opinel-Knife-p/knife01.htm - Someone should tell Grant that Opniel will custom-engrave knives http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Glass/P3210134crop.jpg - it would be cool to see Riv-logo knives -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com javascript: http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Opniel knives
Don't forget the locking blade. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Carbon blades are the only reason to get Opinel knives that I can see, other than good value for a stainless blade. Carbon holds a sharper edge than stainless, but requires actual care (oiling as needed) to prevent rust. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:07:15 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: Are the Opinel knives better than, say, Victorinox knives? Is it a retro thing or do they have better blades? If not Opinel or Victorinox, what is a good pocketknife for casual and occasional use, no more than 3 long -- single blade is fine. I'm no connaisseur, obviously, but I'd like to have one. I've got a Victorinox Swiss model but wouldn't mind another one with more bulk devoted to the main blade and less to accessories. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 2:03 PM, oldmangabe oldma...@gmail.com wrote: They are all the rage. Heritage products man, heritage products. To be fair, VO had the knives first. Most likely to mirror Riv's hatchets. It's a funny arms race brewing up. I like Opinel knives, been using one for a few years now. Still sharp, looks good. The ones Riv have are a bit too esoteric to actually be useful knives. IMHO at least. Gabe On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:12:35 AM UTC-7, William wrote: I found it pretty funny that both Opinel knives and artisan soaps are now on the new items page at Velo-Orange as well. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/Opinel-Knife-p/knife01.htmhttp://www.rivbike.com/Opinel-Knife-p/knife01.htm - Someone should tell Grant that Opniel will custom-engrave knives http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Glass/P3210134crop.jpg - it would be cool to see Riv-logo knives -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunchhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/**index.htmlhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@**resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/**patrickmooreresumespec/http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Opniel knives
I probably have too many knives - these are the non-utilitarian, but one of them is an Opniel. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Glass/knives-1.jpg Every bike bag, every fishing bag, has a permanent knife clipped in. BTW, classic Texas BBQ is an old German butcher shop, you order meat, an onion, a tomato, they wrap it up in butcher paper and you eat with your pocket knife. There's a butcher knife on a chain at a pulpit on the wall - if you have to use it, everyone knows you're not from here http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Erin%20II/cP535.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Erin%20II/aP539-1.jpg yes, Big Red - liquid bubble gum On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 4:07:15 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: Are the Opinel knives better than, say, Victorinox knives? Is it a retro thing or do they have better blades? If not Opinel or Victorinox, what is a good pocketknife for casual and occasional use, no more than 3 long -- single blade is fine. I'm no connaisseur, obviously, but I'd like to have one. I've got a Victorinox Swiss model but wouldn't mind another one with more bulk devoted to the main blade and less to accessories. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 2:03 PM, oldmangabe oldma...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: They are all the rage. Heritage products man, heritage products. To be fair, VO had the knives first. Most likely to mirror Riv's hatchets. It's a funny arms race brewing up. I like Opinel knives, been using one for a few years now. Still sharp, looks good. The ones Riv have are a bit too esoteric to actually be useful knives. IMHO at least. Gabe On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:12:35 AM UTC-7, William wrote: I found it pretty funny that both Opinel knives and artisan soaps are now on the new items page at Velo-Orange as well. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/Opinel-**Knife-p/knife01.htmhttp://www.rivbike.com/Opinel-Knife-p/knife01.htm - Someone should tell Grant that Opniel will custom-engrave knives http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Glass/P3210134crop.jpg - it would be cool to see Riv-logo knives -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com javascript: http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
Patrick. Patrick. Patrick. Sigh. I take deep, personal offense at that. I don't care that it proves your point. I have an offensive collection and I needed this one. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:02:57 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: My purpose in my snide remark (not really snide, more ironic) was to say that sometimes we are far, far too earnest, and that we take offense far, far too easily. FWIW, I fully agree with Toshi that bike clothing has evolved for its usefulness and that one should wear it as and when it serves its purpose. Patrick Diapers! Onward and Upward! Moore On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:38 PM, William tape...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: I suppose I need to go look up the real definition of the word snide, then. I always considered snide to be an adjective, meaning: 1. Derogatory or mocking in an indirect way: snide remarks I also considered mean to be on the list of synonyms for snide. I do applaud your double entendre, thick skinned. You have a literal thick-skin (butt-callouses) so you don't need bike shorts, and you have a metaphorical thick-skin so you aren't insulted by derogatory or mocking statements that aren't directed at you. Very well played. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:13:42 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: I think diaper is a great name for padded shorts and I don't think it is mean at all. It's just snide. Of course, I must be thick skinned since I don't need one for my riding (though I have a few in reserve for those ever elusive 50 milers. Patrick diapers forever! Moore On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:55 AM, William tape...@gmail.com wrote: the worst thing he's ever said about padded bike shorts is his use of the term diaper. I think that's a very poorly chosen word, and it is insulting, and unnecessarily mean. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/**index.htmlhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@**resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/**patrickmooreresumespec/http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com javascript: http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Opniel knives
Patrick, the most useful knife I've ever handled (own 3 permanently clipped in bags) is the Spyderco Native On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 4:07:15 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: Are the Opinel knives better than, say, Victorinox knives? Is it a retro thing or do they have better blades? If not Opinel or Victorinox, what is a good pocketknife for casual and occasional use, no more than 3 long -- single blade is fine. I'm no connaisseur, obviously, but I'd like to have one. I've got a Victorinox Swiss model but wouldn't mind another one with more bulk devoted to the main blade and less to accessories. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
There is a Minneapolis/St. Paul sleeper cell noodling up an idea although our meetings have been adhoc at best... Liesl-can-you-tell-i'm-working-too-hard-since-I-haven't-posted-recently? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
Are you wanting active NSA surveillance on this list, Liesl? With abandon (obviously), Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:25:45 PM UTC-6, Liesl wrote: There is a Minneapolis/St. Paul sleeper cell noodling up an idea although our meetings have been adhoc at best... Liesl-can-you-tell-i'm-working-too-hard-since-I-haven't-posted-recently? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
I hope your offensive collection doesn't spill over into my Irony Hall of Fame. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:21:12 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Patrick. Patrick. Patrick. Sigh. I take deep, personal offense at that. I don't care that it proves your point. I have an offensive collection and I needed this one. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:02:57 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: My purpose in my snide remark (not really snide, more ironic) was to say that sometimes we are far, far too earnest, and that we take offense far, far too easily. FWIW, I fully agree with Toshi that bike clothing has evolved for its usefulness and that one should wear it as and when it serves its purpose. Patrick Diapers! Onward and Upward! Moore On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:38 PM, William tape...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose I need to go look up the real definition of the word snide, then. I always considered snide to be an adjective, meaning: 1. Derogatory or mocking in an indirect way: snide remarks I also considered mean to be on the list of synonyms for snide. I do applaud your double entendre, thick skinned. You have a literal thick-skin (butt-callouses) so you don't need bike shorts, and you have a metaphorical thick-skin so you aren't insulted by derogatory or mocking statements that aren't directed at you. Very well played. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:13:42 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: I think diaper is a great name for padded shorts and I don't think it is mean at all. It's just snide. Of course, I must be thick skinned since I don't need one for my riding (though I have a few in reserve for those ever elusive 50 milers. Patrick diapers forever! Moore On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:55 AM, William tape...@gmail.com wrote: the worst thing he's ever said about padded bike shorts is his use of the term diaper. I think that's a very poorly chosen word, and it is insulting, and unnecessarily mean. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/**index.htmlhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@**resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/**patrickmooreresumespec/http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
Ironically, yes it does, William. Otherwise it would be less offensive. I can't have an offensive collection getting defensive about it's paranoia of becoming friendly, or worse, PC. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:37:42 PM UTC-6, William wrote: I hope your offensive collection doesn't spill over into my Irony Hall of Fame. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:21:12 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Patrick. Patrick. Patrick. Sigh. I take deep, personal offense at that. I don't care that it proves your point. I have an offensive collection and I needed this one. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:02:57 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: My purpose in my snide remark (not really snide, more ironic) was to say that sometimes we are far, far too earnest, and that we take offense far, far too easily. FWIW, I fully agree with Toshi that bike clothing has evolved for its usefulness and that one should wear it as and when it serves its purpose. Patrick Diapers! Onward and Upward! Moore On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:38 PM, William tape...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose I need to go look up the real definition of the word snide, then. I always considered snide to be an adjective, meaning: 1. Derogatory or mocking in an indirect way: snide remarks I also considered mean to be on the list of synonyms for snide. I do applaud your double entendre, thick skinned. You have a literal thick-skin (butt-callouses) so you don't need bike shorts, and you have a metaphorical thick-skin so you aren't insulted by derogatory or mocking statements that aren't directed at you. Very well played. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:13:42 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: I think diaper is a great name for padded shorts and I don't think it is mean at all. It's just snide. Of course, I must be thick skinned since I don't need one for my riding (though I have a few in reserve for those ever elusive 50 milers. Patrick diapers forever! Moore On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:55 AM, William tape...@gmail.com wrote: the worst thing he's ever said about padded bike shorts is his use of the term diaper. I think that's a very poorly chosen word, and it is insulting, and unnecessarily mean. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/**index.htmlhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@**resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/**patrickmooreresumespec/http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Opniel knives
Help me out here, a knife kneophyte. My own experience, which is with ordinary kitchen knives, is that good quality stainless steel ones -- Henckels -- are very hard for me to sharpen; while non-stainless -- Old Hickory is the brand I have -- sharpens easier and, moreover, responds to a steel much better than the Henckels. Is it true that stainless steel (well, good ss -- I've had cheap ss that seemed as soft as non-ss) is much harder than the stuff that Old Hickory uses, and that it is this hardness that makes it much harder to get the right edge on it, while softer steels take an edge much more easily (and respond to the steel much more readily) but also lose their edge faster? At any rate, I gave up my Henckels because I couldn't get them as sharp; never got around to taking them to a professional sharpener. My gauge for kitchen knife sharpness (apart from the catches on your fingernail test) is that a knife slices a ripe tomato easily without crushing it. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Carbon blades are the only reason to get Opinel knives that I can see, other than good value for a stainless blade. Carbon holds a sharper edge than stainless, but requires actual care (oiling as needed) to prevent rust. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:07:15 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: Are the Opinel knives better than, say, Victorinox knives? Is it a retro thing or do they have better blades? If not Opinel or Victorinox, what is a good pocketknife for casual and occasional use, no more than 3 long -- single blade is fine. I'm no connaisseur, obviously, but I'd like to have one. I've got a Victorinox Swiss model but wouldn't mind another one with more bulk devoted to the main blade and less to accessories. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 2:03 PM, oldmangabe oldma...@gmail.com wrote: They are all the rage. Heritage products man, heritage products. To be fair, VO had the knives first. Most likely to mirror Riv's hatchets. It's a funny arms race brewing up. I like Opinel knives, been using one for a few years now. Still sharp, looks good. The ones Riv have are a bit too esoteric to actually be useful knives. IMHO at least. Gabe On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:12:35 AM UTC-7, William wrote: I found it pretty funny that both Opinel knives and artisan soaps are now on the new items page at Velo-Orange as well. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/Opinel-Knife-p/knife01.htmhttp://www.rivbike.com/Opinel-Knife-p/knife01.htm - Someone should tell Grant that Opniel will custom-engrave knives http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Glass/P3210134crop.jpg - it would be cool to see Riv-logo knives -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.**com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunchhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/**index.htmlhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@**resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/**patrickmooreresumespec/http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Opniel knives
Thanks -- will look it up. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, the most useful knife I've ever handled (own 3 permanently clipped in bags) is the Spyderco Native On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 4:07:15 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: Are the Opinel knives better than, say, Victorinox knives? Is it a retro thing or do they have better blades? If not Opinel or Victorinox, what is a good pocketknife for casual and occasional use, no more than 3 long -- single blade is fine. I'm no connaisseur, obviously, but I'd like to have one. I've got a Victorinox Swiss model but wouldn't mind another one with more bulk devoted to the main blade and less to accessories. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
I'm getting very confused here. Let's talk about knives. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Ironically, yes it does, William. Otherwise it would be less offensive. I can't have an offensive collection getting defensive about it's paranoia of becoming friendly, or worse, PC. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:37:42 PM UTC-6, William wrote: I hope your offensive collection doesn't spill over into my Irony Hall of Fame. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:21:12 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Patrick. Patrick. Patrick. Sigh. I take deep, personal offense at that. I don't care that it proves your point. I have an offensive collection and I needed this one. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:02:57 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: My purpose in my snide remark (not really snide, more ironic) was to say that sometimes we are far, far too earnest, and that we take offense far, far too easily. FWIW, I fully agree with Toshi that bike clothing has evolved for its usefulness and that one should wear it as and when it serves its purpose. Patrick Diapers! Onward and Upward! Moore On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:38 PM, William tape...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose I need to go look up the real definition of the word snide, then. I always considered snide to be an adjective, meaning: 1. Derogatory or mocking in an indirect way: snide remarks I also considered mean to be on the list of synonyms for snide. I do applaud your double entendre, thick skinned. You have a literal thick-skin (butt-callouses) so you don't need bike shorts, and you have a metaphorical thick-skin so you aren't insulted by derogatory or mocking statements that aren't directed at you. Very well played. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:13:42 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: I think diaper is a great name for padded shorts and I don't think it is mean at all. It's just snide. Of course, I must be thick skinned since I don't need one for my riding (though I have a few in reserve for those ever elusive 50 milers. Patrick diapers forever! Moore On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:55 AM, William tape...@gmail.com wrote: the worst thing he's ever said about padded bike shorts is his use of the term diaper. I think that's a very poorly chosen word, and it is insulting, and unnecessarily mean. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/**i**ndex.htmlhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@**resumespecialties.**com http://www.linkedin.com/in/**pat**rickmooreresumespec/http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@**googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/rbw-owners-bunchhttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/**index.htmlhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.**com http://www.linkedin.com/in/**patrickmooreresumespec/http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
I think GP wants you to be happy on your bike. And if that means wearing padded shorts, nylon shorts, denim shorts, diapers, or nothing at all, I expect he will concur (well, maybe not on the last one). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Opniel knives
for my kitchen knives, I bought a Wustoff steak knife set with an empty block. I also bought the Wustoff scissors, steel and bread knife. I gradually filled the remaining holes in the block with handmade Japanese knives - Sakai, Kanatsune, Al-Mar. Stainless knives form some delta-ferrite as stringers in the metal first on cooling, the remaining metal is austenite then transforms on cooling to martensite. Martensite is the hard stuff, delta ferrite is soft. Carbon steel has no delta ferrite, which is why it holds such a good edge. Really good stainless such as VG-10 forms much less delta-ferrite than 440C stainless, and good handmade knives break the delta-ferrite that is there into very fine particles. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 4:47:38 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: Thanks -- will look it up. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: Patrick, the most useful knife I've ever handled (own 3 permanently clipped in bags) is the Spyderco Native On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 4:07:15 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: Are the Opinel knives better than, say, Victorinox knives? Is it a retro thing or do they have better blades? If not Opinel or Victorinox, what is a good pocketknife for casual and occasional use, no more than 3 long -- single blade is fine. I'm no connaisseur, obviously, but I'd like to have one. I've got a Victorinox Swiss model but wouldn't mind another one with more bulk devoted to the main blade and less to accessories. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com javascript: http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Opniel knives
Bill, I would be into Wiffle Inc stuff! Sorry to misinterpret your post and come down on you. I find it tiring to have people frequently creating binaries by pitting Riv vs VO, or BQ vs Riv, Giants vs A's, etc, etc. I guess I need to chill and not be on the forums for a bit. Later, Gabe On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:09:05 PM UTC-7, William wrote: Yes, the funniness had nothing to do with who had them first, and I didn't intend to imply that anyone copied anyone. I only found humor in both establishments choosing to carry them this summer. Clearly both Grant and Chris used them as boys, just like countless others have. Maybe they'll both carry Wiffle Inc products, which are still miraculously made in Fairfield, Connecticut. Bill Heritage products! Lindsay On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:03:10 PM UTC-7, oldmangabe wrote: They are all the rage. Heritage products man, heritage products. To be fair, VO had the knives first. Most likely to mirror Riv's hatchets. It's a funny arms race brewing up. I like Opinel knives, been using one for a few years now. Still sharp, looks good. The ones Riv have are a bit too esoteric to actually be useful knives. IMHO at least. Gabe On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:12:35 AM UTC-7, William wrote: I found it pretty funny that both Opinel knives and artisan soaps are now on the new items page at Velo-Orange as well. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/Opinel-Knife-p/knife01.htm - Someone should tell Grant that Opniel will custom-engrave knives http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Glass/P3210134crop.jpg - it would be cool to see Riv-logo knives -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
That MSP cell has a location advantage. They are at least close to the center of the country and Minneapolis has really good service from Amtrak, people of both coasts could take a train which has full baggage service which means Amtrak can provide boxes to bring full sized bikes along. That is a major logistical problem for most people traveling. Marc On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:25:45 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote: There is a Minneapolis/St. Paul sleeper cell noodling up an idea although our meetings have been adhoc at best... Liesl-can-you-tell-i'm-working-too-hard-since-I-haven't-posted-recently? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
Amen to that. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: I think GP wants you to be happy on your bike. And if that means wearing padded shorts, nylon shorts, denim shorts, diapers, or nothing at all, I expect he will concur (well, maybe not on the last one). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] USBR 35 - west coast of Michigan
Though we regularly end up off route to explore we are having a great time. Som notes if you wish to do this. There are no markings along the way so get the IMO file and the PDF. Note they don't match either but both work. If you like exacting directions and no exploring ...maybe not for you. So far three days in we've had most light head winds and one day of rain. Hmmm four days It's a fabulous ride to date... Here are some photos so far.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/9510470047/ Kelly PS. We are in Ludington this evening and headed for Pierpoint tomorrow.. We are heading to Sault Ste Marie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Big Front Rack loaded on a Hunqapillar... am I crazy?
Hey Shawn, I outfitted my 52 cm Bombadil with a Big Front Rack and big ol' Ortlieb back rollers during a tour this spring and really liked it. In the back I have a nitto R-14 top rack with medium saddlesack. I like having more direct control of the majority of my gear this way, and used a Sam Hillborne (the bombadil's predecessor) with the same setup. I should say, though, that I've never tried putting panniers on the back of either of those bikes and therefore have no basis for front/back load comparison. Cheers, - Z On Saturday, August 10, 2013 3:15:42 PM UTC-6, shawn m. wrote: Right now, I run either a Large Saddlesack or panniers on a Nitto Big Rear Rack on my 54cm Hunqapillar, with a basket on a mini front for a little extra weight in front, and it works pretty good. But I'm curious if I wouldn't be happier with a Big Front Rack with panniers and a basket. Can anyone share there experience with this kind of load? I feel like I want more weight up front, more than I'm comfortable with putting on the Mini-Front, and I want the weight a bit lower, too. I'd probably keep the Big Rack in back for longer trips. I'm curious as to how it handles, both loaded and unloaded. Anyone run a setup like this? Thanks, Shawn M. Seattle, WA (Fremont) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
I agree with this 1000% On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:59:19 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: I think GP wants you to be happy on your bike. And if that means wearing padded shorts, nylon shorts, denim shorts, diapers, or nothing at all, I expect he will concur (well, maybe not on the last one). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
If I get offended that your offense collection ironically spilled into my Irony Hall of Fame, does my offense become a member of your offense collection or my IHoF, or BOTH!? Ouch my brain hurts On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:45:21 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Ironically, yes it does, William. Otherwise it would be less offensive. I can't have an offensive collection getting defensive about it's paranoia of becoming friendly, or worse, PC. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:37:42 PM UTC-6, William wrote: I hope your offensive collection doesn't spill over into my Irony Hall of Fame. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:21:12 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Patrick. Patrick. Patrick. Sigh. I take deep, personal offense at that. I don't care that it proves your point. I have an offensive collection and I needed this one. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:02:57 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: My purpose in my snide remark (not really snide, more ironic) was to say that sometimes we are far, far too earnest, and that we take offense far, far too easily. FWIW, I fully agree with Toshi that bike clothing has evolved for its usefulness and that one should wear it as and when it serves its purpose. Patrick Diapers! Onward and Upward! Moore On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:38 PM, William tape...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose I need to go look up the real definition of the word snide, then. I always considered snide to be an adjective, meaning: 1. Derogatory or mocking in an indirect way: snide remarks I also considered mean to be on the list of synonyms for snide. I do applaud your double entendre, thick skinned. You have a literal thick-skin (butt-callouses) so you don't need bike shorts, and you have a metaphorical thick-skin so you aren't insulted by derogatory or mocking statements that aren't directed at you. Very well played. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:13:42 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: I think diaper is a great name for padded shorts and I don't think it is mean at all. It's just snide. Of course, I must be thick skinned since I don't need one for my riding (though I have a few in reserve for those ever elusive 50 milers. Patrick diapers forever! Moore On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:55 AM, William tape...@gmail.com wrote: the worst thing he's ever said about padded bike shorts is his use of the term diaper. I think that's a very poorly chosen word, and it is insulting, and unnecessarily mean. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/**index.htmlhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@**resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/**patrickmooreresumespec/http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Opniel knives
Gabe If that was coming down on me, I didn't take it as such. I'm typing this in my work cubicle, with a Wiffle Ball Bat leaning on my chair. I keep it in here just because it's a tactile thing to fiddle with, and it makes an impression when I carry it into a meeting. Oh crap, Bill means business! Duck! On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:28:54 PM UTC-7, oldmangabe wrote: Bill, I would be into Wiffle Inc stuff! Sorry to misinterpret your post and come down on you. I find it tiring to have people frequently creating binaries by pitting Riv vs VO, or BQ vs Riv, Giants vs A's, etc, etc. I guess I need to chill and not be on the forums for a bit. Later, Gabe On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:09:05 PM UTC-7, William wrote: Yes, the funniness had nothing to do with who had them first, and I didn't intend to imply that anyone copied anyone. I only found humor in both establishments choosing to carry them this summer. Clearly both Grant and Chris used them as boys, just like countless others have. Maybe they'll both carry Wiffle Inc products, which are still miraculously made in Fairfield, Connecticut. Bill Heritage products! Lindsay On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:03:10 PM UTC-7, oldmangabe wrote: They are all the rage. Heritage products man, heritage products. To be fair, VO had the knives first. Most likely to mirror Riv's hatchets. It's a funny arms race brewing up. I like Opinel knives, been using one for a few years now. Still sharp, looks good. The ones Riv have are a bit too esoteric to actually be useful knives. IMHO at least. Gabe On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:12:35 AM UTC-7, William wrote: I found it pretty funny that both Opinel knives and artisan soaps are now on the new items page at Velo-Orange as well. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/Opinel-Knife-p/knife01.htm - Someone should tell Grant that Opniel will custom-engrave knives http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Glass/P3210134crop.jpg - it would be cool to see Riv-logo knives -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
Ouch my brain hurts Sorry. I didn't intend for you to enter my world. Sardonic grin. But yes, both sounds right, to answer your other question, but you have to get offended twice so we each get an original. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:58:23 PM UTC-6, William wrote: If I get offended that your offense collection ironically spilled into my Irony Hall of Fame, does my offense become a member of your offense collection or my IHoF, or BOTH!? Ouch my brain hurts On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:45:21 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Ironically, yes it does, William. Otherwise it would be less offensive. I can't have an offensive collection getting defensive about it's paranoia of becoming friendly, or worse, PC. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:37:42 PM UTC-6, William wrote: I hope your offensive collection doesn't spill over into my Irony Hall of Fame. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:21:12 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Patrick. Patrick. Patrick. Sigh. I take deep, personal offense at that. I don't care that it proves your point. I have an offensive collection and I needed this one. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:02:57 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: My purpose in my snide remark (not really snide, more ironic) was to say that sometimes we are far, far too earnest, and that we take offense far, far too easily. FWIW, I fully agree with Toshi that bike clothing has evolved for its usefulness and that one should wear it as and when it serves its purpose. Patrick Diapers! Onward and Upward! Moore On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:38 PM, William tape...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose I need to go look up the real definition of the word snide, then. I always considered snide to be an adjective, meaning: 1. Derogatory or mocking in an indirect way: snide remarks I also considered mean to be on the list of synonyms for snide. I do applaud your double entendre, thick skinned. You have a literal thick-skin (butt-callouses) so you don't need bike shorts, and you have a metaphorical thick-skin so you aren't insulted by derogatory or mocking statements that aren't directed at you. Very well played. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:13:42 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: I think diaper is a great name for padded shorts and I don't think it is mean at all. It's just snide. Of course, I must be thick skinned since I don't need one for my riding (though I have a few in reserve for those ever elusive 50 milers. Patrick diapers forever! Moore On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:55 AM, William tape...@gmail.com wrote: the worst thing he's ever said about padded bike shorts is his use of the term diaper. I think that's a very poorly chosen word, and it is insulting, and unnecessarily mean. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/**index.htmlhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@**resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/**patrickmooreresumespec/http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Opniel knives
I did it like this, I did it like that I did it with a whiffle ball bat On 8/14/13, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Gabe If that was coming down on me, I didn't take it as such. I'm typing this in my work cubicle, with a Wiffle Ball Bat leaning on my chair. I keep it in here just because it's a tactile thing to fiddle with, and it makes an impression when I carry it into a meeting. Oh crap, Bill means business! Duck! On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:28:54 PM UTC-7, oldmangabe wrote: Bill, I would be into Wiffle Inc stuff! Sorry to misinterpret your post and come down on you. I find it tiring to have people frequently creating binaries by pitting Riv vs VO, or BQ vs Riv, Giants vs A's, etc, etc. I guess I need to chill and not be on the forums for a bit. Later, Gabe On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:09:05 PM UTC-7, William wrote: Yes, the funniness had nothing to do with who had them first, and I didn't intend to imply that anyone copied anyone. I only found humor in both establishments choosing to carry them this summer. Clearly both Grant and Chris used them as boys, just like countless others have. Maybe they'll both carry Wiffle Inc products, which are still miraculously made in Fairfield, Connecticut. Bill Heritage products! Lindsay On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:03:10 PM UTC-7, oldmangabe wrote: They are all the rage. Heritage products man, heritage products. To be fair, VO had the knives first. Most likely to mirror Riv's hatchets. It's a funny arms race brewing up. I like Opinel knives, been using one for a few years now. Still sharp, looks good. The ones Riv have are a bit too esoteric to actually be useful knives. IMHO at least. Gabe On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:12:35 AM UTC-7, William wrote: I found it pretty funny that both Opinel knives and artisan soaps are now on the new items page at Velo-Orange as well. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/Opinel-Knife-p/knife01.htm - Someone should tell Grant that Opniel will custom-engrave knives http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Glass/P3210134crop.jpg - it would be cool to see Riv-logo knives -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
The Twin Cities harbor a number of subversive elements...approach with caution. BUT there is a Rivendell dealer there so you could save half the transport hassle by just buying a new bike from him :-). dougP On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:31:43 PM UTC-7, Marc Irwin wrote: That MSP cell has a location advantage. They are at least close to the center of the country and Minneapolis has really good service from Amtrak, people of both coasts could take a train which has full baggage service which means Amtrak can provide boxes to bring full sized bikes along. That is a major logistical problem for most people traveling. Marc On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:25:45 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote: There is a Minneapolis/St. Paul sleeper cell noodling up an idea although our meetings have been adhoc at best... Liesl-can-you-tell-i'm-working-too-hard-since-I-haven't-posted-recently? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Opniel knives
I typed those Beastie Boys lyrics four different times and my internal filter said 'don't post'. I'm glad I didn't and I'm glad you did. :-) On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:15:56 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I did it like this, I did it like that I did it with a whiffle ball bat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
You all need a suitcase of courage. Patrick's knife comment was a LOLer. On 8/14/13, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Ouch my brain hurts Sorry. I didn't intend for you to enter my world. Sardonic grin. But yes, both sounds right, to answer your other question, but you have to get offended twice so we each get an original. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:58:23 PM UTC-6, William wrote: If I get offended that your offense collection ironically spilled into my Irony Hall of Fame, does my offense become a member of your offense collection or my IHoF, or BOTH!? Ouch my brain hurts On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:45:21 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Ironically, yes it does, William. Otherwise it would be less offensive. I can't have an offensive collection getting defensive about it's paranoia of becoming friendly, or worse, PC. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:37:42 PM UTC-6, William wrote: I hope your offensive collection doesn't spill over into my Irony Hall of Fame. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:21:12 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Patrick. Patrick. Patrick. Sigh. I take deep, personal offense at that. I don't care that it proves your point. I have an offensive collection and I needed this one. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:02:57 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: My purpose in my snide remark (not really snide, more ironic) was to say that sometimes we are far, far too earnest, and that we take offense far, far too easily. FWIW, I fully agree with Toshi that bike clothing has evolved for its usefulness and that one should wear it as and when it serves its purpose. Patrick Diapers! Onward and Upward! Moore On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:38 PM, William tape...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose I need to go look up the real definition of the word snide, then. I always considered snide to be an adjective, meaning: 1. Derogatory or mocking in an indirect way: snide remarks I also considered mean to be on the list of synonyms for snide. I do applaud your double entendre, thick skinned. You have a literal thick-skin (butt-callouses) so you don't need bike shorts, and you have a metaphorical thick-skin so you aren't insulted by derogatory or mocking statements that aren't directed at you. Very well played. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:13:42 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: I think diaper is a great name for padded shorts and I don't think it is mean at all. It's just snide. Of course, I must be thick skinned since I don't need one for my riding (though I have a few in reserve for those ever elusive 50 milers. Patrick diapers forever! Moore On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 11:55 AM, William tape...@gmail.com wrote: the worst thing he's ever said about padded bike shorts is his use of the term diaper. I think that's a very poorly chosen word, and it is insulting, and unnecessarily mean. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/**index.htmlhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@**resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/**patrickmooreresumespec/http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Opniel knives
It needed to be said. RIP MCA On 8/14/13, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I typed those Beastie Boys lyrics four different times and my internal filter said 'don't post'. I'm glad I didn't and I'm glad you did. :-) On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:15:56 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I did it like this, I did it like that I did it with a whiffle ball bat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
I wear bike shorts and jerseys...have a few different pairs. Two are Pearl Izumi Pro shorts that are awesome. Anykind of club riding where speed is high on the list or distances over 30 miles and I am wearing dedicated bike shorts. I also own several pairs of MUSA shorts and wear them with regular undies all the time on shorter than 30 mile routes. On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:26:54 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
I use my carbon fiber thong, laterally stiff yet vertically compliant. :-) On Aug 14, 2013 9:10 PM, RJM crccpadu...@gmail.com wrote: I wear bike shorts and jerseys...have a few different pairs. Two are Pearl Izumi Pro shorts that are awesome. Anykind of club riding where speed is high on the list or distances over 30 miles and I am wearing dedicated bike shorts. I also own several pairs of MUSA shorts and wear them with regular undies all the time on shorter than 30 mile routes. On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:26:54 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?
better than vice-versa On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 8:13:17 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote: I use my carbon fiber thong, laterally stiff yet vertically compliant. :-) On Aug 14, 2013 9:10 PM, RJM crccp...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I wear bike shorts and jerseys...have a few different pairs. Two are Pearl Izumi Pro shorts that are awesome. Anykind of club riding where speed is high on the list or distances over 30 miles and I am wearing dedicated bike shorts. I also own several pairs of MUSA shorts and wear them with regular undies all the time on shorter than 30 mile routes. On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:26:54 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or English, etc. I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from Walnut Creek. But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a squeegee. Ouch!! I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to speak. Thanks for any advice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Opniel knives
needed indeed ... On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:03:43 PM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/Opinel-Knife-p/knife01.htm - Someone should tell Grant that Opniel will custom-engrave knives http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Glass/P3210134crop.jpg - it would be cool to see Riv-logo knives -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
I would likely vote for a.MSP destination. Some of my forebears left Minnesota to come to California. I've always been curious to get out there and look around. Michael Allen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Back to Earth 2
I really enjoyed watching the video. Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree
Another vote for China Camp. Jay Lonner Bellingham, WA (tickled that it came up as a possible destination, not at all surprised that it didn't make the final cut) On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 8:42:09 PM UTC-7, allenmichael wrote: I would likely vote for a.MSP destination. Some of my forebears left Minnesota to come to California. I've always been curious to get out there and look around. Michael Allen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Opniel knives
I have a growing-old BLUG post in the saved folder that announces we're not going to keep selling Opinels. Some guys here checked to see if VO had 'em and they came up blank, but --missed it, or something. Opinels are for kitchen and picnic use, cutting soft foods and things...and that is a good thing, a common need. I think you might wreck one by hard carving wood with it. A Victorinox is way sturdier, with a metal body (even if red plastic covers), and so on. I wouldn't say one is better than the other---for cutting chunks off cheese or salami, they're both great, but I'd get the Opinel. For keeping for years and general stuff, a Victorinox.We'll sell thru the Opinel knives, and that'll be it. The roundies are neat, I'd say. We have a few left, but they're going. We'll get some other knife. Mora, or Victorinox inexpensive fixed blade maybe, or maybe the old Victorinox we had---but it's like $45 now, which takes it out of the 'yeah, I could always use another knife...I don't have one in THIS bag' category. We have more 'chets coming in, too (arms-race wise?). With our new tiny retail downtown store being called Bike Book Hatchetsorta gotta have a selection. It's not a survivalist thing, anything odd lke that (and yes, I think that is odd). IN the new place I hope to have a small secret throwing range---not throwing the nice hatchets, but some cheapish tomahawks. An after hours thing. No beer, no goofing off, just every wanted to throw a tomahawk? OK, now you canif you don't look scary and are a bicycle rider, not a half drunk wandering in from the pub across the street. There is a population of wheelchair-riders in town. In all towns, of course. I have friends in chairs. So, I'm also thinking have an evening where wheelchairers could come and throw. It's quite a powerful feeling to huck a 'hawk and have it THUNK into a big round of redwood, and I've got the redwood. Would need city approval. Hoo body. But how to communicate the intention and all without coming off like a bad guy...and how to get the word outis the challenge. It would be so easy for somebody to twiist it around, and --- if anybody out there has some experience or insight into this, pm me. It would not be a come watch wheelchair riders throw tomahawks kind of thing. It would be private, just an opportunity for three or four to come on by and chuck the things and watch them stick. It is fun, period. There is no disadvantage to being in a chair. If you're lousy and not learning, you're just lousy and not learningbut I think 100 percent would be thunking 60 percent after the fifteenth try. Life and everything...way too complicated. Sometimes I think I want nothing to do with it. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:07:15 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: Are the Opinel knives better than, say, Victorinox knives? Is it a retro thing or do they have better blades? If not Opinel or Victorinox, what is a good pocketknife for casual and occasional use, no more than 3 long -- single blade is fine. I'm no connaisseur, obviously, but I'd like to have one. I've got a Victorinox Swiss model but wouldn't mind another one with more bulk devoted to the main blade and less to accessories. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 2:03 PM, oldmangabe oldma...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: They are all the rage. Heritage products man, heritage products. To be fair, VO had the knives first. Most likely to mirror Riv's hatchets. It's a funny arms race brewing up. I like Opinel knives, been using one for a few years now. Still sharp, looks good. The ones Riv have are a bit too esoteric to actually be useful knives. IMHO at least. Gabe On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:12:35 AM UTC-7, William wrote: I found it pretty funny that both Opinel knives and artisan soaps are now on the new items page at Velo-Orange as well. On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:03:43 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/Opinel-**Knife-p/knife01.htmhttp://www.rivbike.com/Opinel-Knife-p/knife01.htm - Someone should tell Grant that Opniel will custom-engrave knives http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/estes/Glass/P3210134crop.jpg - it would be cool to see Riv-logo knives -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* Certified Resume Writer http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com javascript: http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Albuquerque, NM -- You received this
