Re: [RBW] Loving my Atlantis...let me count the ways

[cyclotourist]

Those elves make some mighty fine bikes!

Do you think you would go the Riv route with swept back bars, or more
of a straight bar set up?

On 10/14/13, dougP  wrote:
> Just back from a tour involving rental bikes, my wife & I hopped on our
> Atlantii after recovering from jet lag.  What a difference!  "Touring
> bikes" are sometimes derided as heavy, clunky, slow, etc.,  but after
> several hundred miles on rental hybrids, an Atlantis feels like a sports
> car.  Even though the overall weight isn't much different (hey, we lugged
> our rentals up & down stairs, tossed them onto trains, etc.), the
> performance difference was enormous, especially climbing.  I can't tell you
>
> why but hills that would be "of no consequence" on my Atlantis were
> seriously consequential on the rental.  In their defense, I'm sure our
> rentals would retail well below US$1,000, so it's true that you get what
> you pay for.  Another unexpected consequence is we are both rethinking the
> drop bars on our Atlantii.  We were both more comfortable on the upright
> bars and there didn't seem to be any downside.  Pondering, pondering
>
> dougP
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mount Laguna_S240_San Diego, CA

[Hugh Smitham]

Andy,

You have some time yet...pack up the AHH and fly on down we'd enjoy having
you with us rolling over some old stomping ground. Just in case lots of
pictures will be taken so you can compare with your memories. Really wish
you could make it.



Best,


~Hugh


On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Sounds like a great idea for a trip. I have some great Mt Laguna memories.
> It would be interesting to return and see if my memories were at all like
> reality.
>
> --Smitty
>
>
> On Monday, October 14, 2013 4:31:56 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> Hey SoCal Riv riders,
>>
>> I know this is extremely shot notice...have been reluctant to make a post
>> as my lower back (Dirt drop & upright bars in my horizon) hasn't been
>> cooperating, two weeks ago I had to bail on a ride I organized. Since my
>> back has been given the go ahead here are the details:
>>
>> Friday 18th of October. The place Julian, CA  Meet up Bailey Pit Barbecue
>> on Main Street at 1:30 pm. Ride out Hwy 79 up S1 Sunrise Hwy and jump on
>> some dirt roads and single track around Big Laguna Lake and make camp at
>> Desert Overlook Camp 
>> http://freecampsites.net/**#!7913&query=sitedetails
>>  **approximately 21 miles + with the dirt sections increasing the
>> distance sightly. On Saturday drop down to Pine Valley for Breakfast, then
>> ride the 25 miles back to Julian via Hwy 79 through lake Cuyamaca.
>>
>> Disclosure: I have never stayed at this camp and it appears to be in the
>> Cleveland National Forest "Federal" and it may have a gate blocking access
>> in. I figure to stealth camp if the camp is closed. Also there is no water,
>> though it is adjacent to a Federal camp which does have water normally but
>> the "Feds" may have turned off the water supply, therefore plan on bringing
>> extra water. I plan on bringing two Platyapuses about 4 liters plus three
>> water bottles.
>>
>> Beer and or Pie in Julian post ride.
>>
>> Look forward to riding with all of you.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS NOS 56 STT Sam Hilborne

[samh]

> This is new ,never built, orange canti, single top tube Sam Hilborne. 
F/F/HS and bottom bracket.  A couple of pictures can be found here: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/68843829@N03/<

There's nothing orange at that link.

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[RBW] Can anyone compare feel of MUSA wool to Icebreaker?

[Earl Grey]

I love my Icebreaker woolens, but also have a Patagonia wool t-shirt that I 
dislike because it is too SOFT! It just feels insubstantial and flimsy. I 
assume the MUSA stuff is more like Icebreaker, but can anyone confirm? 

Thanks,

Gernot

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[RBW] Re: Mount Laguna_S240_San Diego, CA

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Sounds like a great idea for a trip. I have some great Mt Laguna memories. 
It would be interesting to return and see if my memories were at all like 
reality.  

--Smitty


On Monday, October 14, 2013 4:31:56 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hey SoCal Riv riders,
>
> I know this is extremely shot notice...have been reluctant to make a post 
> as my lower back (Dirt drop & upright bars in my horizon) hasn't been 
> cooperating, two weeks ago I had to bail on a ride I organized. Since my 
> back has been given the go ahead here are the details:
>
> Friday 18th of October. The place Julian, CA  Meet up Bailey Pit Barbecue 
> on Main Street at 1:30 pm. Ride out Hwy 79 up S1 Sunrise Hwy and jump on 
> some dirt roads and single track around Big Laguna Lake and make camp at 
> Desert Overlook Camp http://freecampsites.net/#!7913&query=sitedetails 
> approximately 
> 21 miles + with the dirt sections increasing the distance sightly. On 
> Saturday drop down to Pine Valley for Breakfast, then ride the 25 miles 
> back to Julian via Hwy 79 through lake Cuyamaca.
>
> Disclosure: I have never stayed at this camp and it appears to be in the 
> Cleveland National Forest "Federal" and it may have a gate blocking access 
> in. I figure to stealth camp if the camp is closed. Also there is no water, 
> though it is adjacent to a Federal camp which does have water normally but 
> the "Feds" may have turned off the water supply, therefore plan on bringing 
> extra water. I plan on bringing two Platyapuses about 4 liters plus three 
> water bottles.
>
> Beer and or Pie in Julian post ride.
>
> Look forward to riding with all of you.
>
> Best,
>
> ~Hugh
>

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[RBW] WTB: Brooks B17S (women's) in brown or honey

[Earl Grey]

Minor wear not an issue.

Gernot

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Re: [RBW] Portland Area Country Bike Group

[Norman Bone]

Dude, you stole my idea and didn't name it after me???  :)  





 From: Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com>
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 4:57 PM
Subject: [RBW] Portland Area Country Bike Group
 


It seems Portland area rides happen with some frequency. When they get posted 
on this list they can get buried or become clutter for those not near Portland. 
In an effort to focus announcements for Portland area rides, I've created a 
google group. 

Mason Hill Rabble Rousers Fan Club

The idea is that this will be for ride announcements and coordination. This is 
not a discussion group for bicycles or gear. 


Feel free to request to join if you want to be in the know for Portland area 
rides of the country bike persuasion. 

--Smitty





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[RBW] Re: new tires for my Hunqapillar: 2.1x29 Maxxis Crossmark

[Takashi]

Christian,

Glad to hear that you have found tires that you like.
I also use Maxxis Crossmarks, and like them very much.
I use them only occasionally, since fat tires and my wooden fenders don't 
go together very well.
Velo Orange says that they're working on wide 29er fenders. I'm looking 
forward to them.

Takashi

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[RBW] Re: Wooden Fenders for Atlantis - photos / suggestions

[Takashi]

I have compound curve Woody's Fenders on my Hunqapillar.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/9343787510/
I know very little about metal fenders, so can't say which is better, but 
wooden fenders look very nice.

I have found Anderson Wood Fenders on internet. I've never seen them in 
person, but photos of them look nice.
http://creativeopenings.com/andersonwoodfenders.html

Takashi

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Re: [RBW] Re: PDX Sunrise Coffee Club Tomorrow

[Christopher Chen]

I really think is is turning into a thing. I used to get up before dawn
only by accident, insomnia, or for travel--I'm boggled that:

1) I'd do it
2) Others would too

And now I'm tickled pink, of course, that I get to see my pals more often,
at that most quiet and peaceful time of the day.

There were four of us:

Andy on his custom Jackalope,
Tommy on his Bombadil,
Kelley on her Schwinn tourer,
and me on my Hilsen.

The climb up to Mt Tabor was wonderful--I was running a bit late so I took
a more steep approach, but the trails are in fine condition (packed dirt).
My climb took me past one of the reservoirs of the City of Portland water
system: it had been drained for work, and so had an eerie took to it. Tommy
and Andy were already on the summit when I arrived. Shortly after I started
my stove, I heard the sound of squealing brake pads, when Kelley rolled in.
Fog had enveloped the summit, but the sun burned it away just around the
time we were pouring our coffees. Gleeful picture taking ensued.

Our ride down was more leisurely. I think only Andy took a set of stairs
down. We descended as a group past another, this time full reservoir,
parting ways when we hit the city grid.

All in all, a wonderful time. If you're in Portland and are curious, mark
your calendars for next Tuesday.

Pictures proved it happened:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/10272700074/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/10272704804/in/photostream/

cc


On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks for motivating me out of bed a little earlier than I might
> otherwise have gotten up. Felt good to get 5 miles and a couple hundred
> feet climbing in before sunrise... then I got to ride home.
>
> Pics 
>
> --Smitty
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[RBW] Loving my Atlantis...let me count the ways

[dougP]

Just back from a tour involving rental bikes, my wife & I hopped on our 
Atlantii after recovering from jet lag.  What a difference!  "Touring 
bikes" are sometimes derided as heavy, clunky, slow, etc.,  but after 
several hundred miles on rental hybrids, an Atlantis feels like a sports 
car.  Even though the overall weight isn't much different (hey, we lugged 
our rentals up & down stairs, tossed them onto trains, etc.), the 
performance difference was enormous, especially climbing.  I can't tell you 
why but hills that would be "of no consequence" on my Atlantis were 
seriously consequential on the rental.  In their defense, I'm sure our 
rentals would retail well below US$1,000, so it's true that you get what 
you pay for.  Another unexpected consequence is we are both rethinking the 
drop bars on our Atlantii.  We were both more comfortable on the upright 
bars and there didn't seem to be any downside.  Pondering, pondering

dougP

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mount Laguna_S240_San Diego, CA

[dougP]

Hugh:

I'll see if I can figure out when I last did this.  We rode the loop down 
to Pine Valley on one day, encountering snow around Mt Laguna.  The next 
day we rode down to Anza Borrego for a couple of days.  Mid-day was too hot 
to ride, & we got an early start to beat the heat when returning to 
Julian.  Wonderful study in contrasts.

dougP

On Monday, October 14, 2013 7:18:42 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Doug what's the deal are in sync or what! While scoping out this ride I 
> thought it would be awesome to drop down into the Desert from Warner 
> Springs. I remember this awesome campground up above the desert floor with 
> spectacular views. We'll work it out. Keeping March 15th open for the RSR. 
> But I'm sure we can find an appropriate date.
>
> Best,
>
> ~Hugh
>
> Best,
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:06 PM, dougP >wrote:
>
>> While I can't make it, I encourage anyone wavering on this to just do 
>> it.  I've ridden this loop & it's a wonderful ride.  
>>
>> Hint, hint:  Springtime - Julian to Anza Borrego S24O?  Just thinkin'.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 14, 2013 4:31:56 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey SoCal Riv riders,
>>>
>>> I know this is extremely shot notice...have been reluctant to make a 
>>> post as my lower back (Dirt drop & upright bars in my horizon) hasn't been 
>>> cooperating, two weeks ago I had to bail on a ride I organized. Since my 
>>> back has been given the go ahead here are the details:
>>>
>>> Friday 18th of October. The place Julian, CA  Meet up Bailey Pit 
>>> Barbecue on Main Street at 1:30 pm. Ride out Hwy 79 up S1 Sunrise Hwy and 
>>> jump on some dirt roads and single track around Big Laguna Lake and make 
>>> camp at Desert Overlook Camp http://freecampsites.net/**
>>> #!7913&query=sitedetails
>>>  **approximately 21 miles + with the dirt sections increasing the 
>>> distance sightly. On Saturday drop down to Pine Valley for Breakfast, then 
>>> ride the 25 miles back to Julian via Hwy 79 through lake Cuyamaca.
>>>
>>> Disclosure: I have never stayed at this camp and it appears to be in 
>>> the Cleveland National Forest "Federal" and it may have a gate blocking 
>>> access in. I figure to stealth camp if the camp is closed. Also there is no 
>>> water, though it is adjacent to a Federal camp which does have water 
>>> normally but the "Feds" may have turned off the water supply, therefore 
>>> plan on bringing extra water. I plan on bringing two Platyapuses about 4 
>>> liters plus three water bottles.
>>>
>>> Beer and or Pie in Julian post ride.
>>>
>>> Look forward to riding with all of you.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mount Laguna_S240_San Diego, CA

[Hugh Smitham]

Doug what's the deal are in sync or what! While scoping out this ride I
thought it would be awesome to drop down into the Desert from Warner
Springs. I remember this awesome campground up above the desert floor with
spectacular views. We'll work it out. Keeping March 15th open for the RSR.
But I'm sure we can find an appropriate date.

Best,

~Hugh

Best,


~Hugh


On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 7:06 PM, dougP  wrote:

> While I can't make it, I encourage anyone wavering on this to just do it.
> I've ridden this loop & it's a wonderful ride.
>
> Hint, hint:  Springtime - Julian to Anza Borrego S24O?  Just thinkin'.
>
> dougP
>
>
> On Monday, October 14, 2013 4:31:56 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Hey SoCal Riv riders,
>>
>> I know this is extremely shot notice...have been reluctant to make a post
>> as my lower back (Dirt drop & upright bars in my horizon) hasn't been
>> cooperating, two weeks ago I had to bail on a ride I organized. Since my
>> back has been given the go ahead here are the details:
>>
>> Friday 18th of October. The place Julian, CA  Meet up Bailey Pit Barbecue
>> on Main Street at 1:30 pm. Ride out Hwy 79 up S1 Sunrise Hwy and jump on
>> some dirt roads and single track around Big Laguna Lake and make camp at
>> Desert Overlook Camp 
>> http://freecampsites.net/**#!7913&query=sitedetails
>>  **approximately 21 miles + with the dirt sections increasing the
>> distance sightly. On Saturday drop down to Pine Valley for Breakfast, then
>> ride the 25 miles back to Julian via Hwy 79 through lake Cuyamaca.
>>
>> Disclosure: I have never stayed at this camp and it appears to be in the
>> Cleveland National Forest "Federal" and it may have a gate blocking access
>> in. I figure to stealth camp if the camp is closed. Also there is no water,
>> though it is adjacent to a Federal camp which does have water normally but
>> the "Feds" may have turned off the water supply, therefore plan on bringing
>> extra water. I plan on bringing two Platyapuses about 4 liters plus three
>> water bottles.
>>
>> Beer and or Pie in Julian post ride.
>>
>> Look forward to riding with all of you.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
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[RBW] Re: Mount Laguna_S240_San Diego, CA

[dougP]

While I can't make it, I encourage anyone wavering on this to just do it.  
I've ridden this loop & it's a wonderful ride.  

Hint, hint:  Springtime - Julian to Anza Borrego S24O?  Just thinkin'.

dougP

On Monday, October 14, 2013 4:31:56 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hey SoCal Riv riders,
>
> I know this is extremely shot notice...have been reluctant to make a post 
> as my lower back (Dirt drop & upright bars in my horizon) hasn't been 
> cooperating, two weeks ago I had to bail on a ride I organized. Since my 
> back has been given the go ahead here are the details:
>
> Friday 18th of October. The place Julian, CA  Meet up Bailey Pit Barbecue 
> on Main Street at 1:30 pm. Ride out Hwy 79 up S1 Sunrise Hwy and jump on 
> some dirt roads and single track around Big Laguna Lake and make camp at 
> Desert Overlook Camp http://freecampsites.net/#!7913&query=sitedetails 
> approximately 
> 21 miles + with the dirt sections increasing the distance sightly. On 
> Saturday drop down to Pine Valley for Breakfast, then ride the 25 miles 
> back to Julian via Hwy 79 through lake Cuyamaca.
>
> Disclosure: I have never stayed at this camp and it appears to be in the 
> Cleveland National Forest "Federal" and it may have a gate blocking access 
> in. I figure to stealth camp if the camp is closed. Also there is no water, 
> though it is adjacent to a Federal camp which does have water normally but 
> the "Feds" may have turned off the water supply, therefore plan on bringing 
> extra water. I plan on bringing two Platyapuses about 4 liters plus three 
> water bottles.
>
> Beer and or Pie in Julian post ride.
>
> Look forward to riding with all of you.
>
> Best,
>
> ~Hugh
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Steve Palinscar

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/14/2013 09:18 PM, Joan Oppel wrote:
Bobby B - I've been laughing for at least 5 minutes.  To the rest of 
the group:  I can report that Steve Palincsar is quite well, posts 
here almost every day.  He managed to entice 3 other nutty riders to 
go with him yesterday on a 39 mile ride - at a time the weather was 
predicted to be dry, but it rained the entire ride.  And today he 
managed to get 22 people to come along on another 39 mile ride.

Joan
On 10/14/13, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
It's only because Steve has been posting under the pseudonym, "Carlos 
Danger"...


That's very thoughtful of you, Michael...//



Furthermore, it should be noted that PalinSCar is his Evil Twin, the 
bane of his existence for lo these many years, contributing nothing in 
the way of work, but frequently receiving the certificates, diplomas and 
workplace awards.


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Re: [RBW] Mount Laguna_S240_San Diego, CA

[Hugh Smitham]

Thanks Chris! Though were in the West, Southern California isn't as wild as
it once was, then there are the desert regions still wild and prickly.

Since I haven't been up on Mount Laguna in a decade it's hard for me to
know what to expect? In the years I spent time up there it was still
possible to stealth it.

Glad to hear that the shut down didn't spoil your outing.

And the pictures will continue as I hope your's do as I enjoy your Blog a
sphere.

Warm Regards,

~Hugh





Best,


~Hugh


On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Pondero  wrote:

> Good luck, Hugh.  I managed open access to the Caddo-LBJ National
> Grasslands for a S24O over the weekend.  So maybe it'll be easy, but then
> again this ain't California.
>
> Best wishes for the back, and keep those photos coming.
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[RBW] Mount Laguna_S240_San Diego, CA

[Pondero]

Good luck, Hugh.  I managed open access to the Caddo-LBJ National Grasslands 
for a S24O over the weekend.  So maybe it'll be easy, but then again this ain't 
California.

Best wishes for the back, and keep those photos coming.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Steve Palinscar

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Bobby B - I've been laughing for at least 5 minutes.  To the rest of the group:  I can report that Steve Palincsar is quite well, posts here almost every day.  He managed to entice 3 other nutty riders to go with him yesterday on a 39 mile ride - at a time the weather was predicted to be dry, but it rained the entire ride.  And today he managed to get 22 people to come along on another 39 mile ride.Joan  On 10/14/13, Montclair BobbyB wrote: It's only because Steve has been posting under the pseudonym, "Carlos Danger"... That's very thoughtful of you, Michael... On Monday, October 14, 2013 8:03:28 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:Steve used to be a frequent poster here but I don't recall seeing anything in quite a while.  Does anybody know if he is OK?Michael-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.



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[RBW] Re: Wooden Fenders for Atlantis - photos / suggestions

[WETH]

>
>  
>
Thanks for all the helpful responses, pro and con; much to think about. 
 Tom, Andrew and Doc thanks for the photos; those are some beautiful bikes 
and fenders.  Doc, I have looked at your Surly LHT photos many times as I 
was building mine, and embarrassingly, I never noticed the wood fenders. 
 They blend in nicely and there are so many cool parts on that Surly. 
 Andrew, those fenders your dad made are really beautiful and classy.  Tom, 
the Quickbeam with the Woody's fenders is exquisite. 
All the responses have helped me understand the compromises and trade-offs. 
Many thanks again for the thoughtful responses.  
Safe cycling,
Erl 

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[RBW] Portland Area Country Bike Group

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

It seems Portland area rides happen with some frequency. When they get 
posted on this list they can get buried or become clutter for those not 
near Portland. In an effort to focus announcements for Portland area rides, 
I've created a google group. 

Mason Hill Rabble Rousers Fan 
Club

The idea is that this will be for ride announcements and coordination. This 
is not a discussion group for bicycles or gear. 

Feel free to request to join if you want to be in the know for Portland 
area rides of the country bike persuasion. 

--Smitty




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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report: Wasco County Country Ramble / coffee break

[Aaron Young]

Cecily,

I have a pic of Bruce's sketch as well.  It shows the other side of the
page he drew.  Also, added a shot of Shawn and Julian (or is it Julius)
that somehow got left out of the original set.

http://flic.kr/s/aHsjKHZsj2


-Aaron "Keeper of The Dalles" Young
The Dalles, OR


On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hey Cecily,
>
> Bruce is a man of the sea and the land. Often, as on this trip, he brings
> a sketch book instead of a camera. It's quite impressive to thumb through
> current and previous books and seeing the personal touch that is not
> captured in photographs. His blog has the occasional sketch, and the
> stories are worth reading. The majority of his sketches are only viewable
> in person.
>
> --Smitty
>
>
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:58:21 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> I'd love to see more of Bruce's sketches!
>>
>>
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[RBW] Mount Laguna_S240_San Diego, CA

[hsmitham]

Hey SoCal Riv riders,

I know this is extremely shot notice...have been reluctant to make a post 
as my lower back (Dirt drop & upright bars in my horizon) hasn't been 
cooperating, two weeks ago I had to bail on a ride I organized. Since my 
back has been given the go ahead here are the details:

Friday 18th of October. The place Julian, CA  Meet up Bailey Pit Barbecue 
on Main Street at 1:30 pm. Ride out Hwy 79 up S1 Sunrise Hwy and jump on 
some dirt roads and single track around Big Laguna Lake and make camp at 
Desert Overlook Camp http://freecampsites.net/#!7913&query=sitedetails 
approximately 
21 miles + with the dirt sections increasing the distance sightly. On 
Saturday drop down to Pine Valley for Breakfast, then ride the 25 miles 
back to Julian via Hwy 79 through lake Cuyamaca.

Disclosure: I have never stayed at this camp and it appears to be in the 
Cleveland National Forest "Federal" and it may have a gate blocking access 
in. I figure to stealth camp if the camp is closed. Also there is no water, 
though it is adjacent to a Federal camp which does have water normally but 
the "Feds" may have turned off the water supply, therefore plan on bringing 
extra water. I plan on bringing two Platyapuses about 4 liters plus three 
water bottles.

Beer and or Pie in Julian post ride.

Look forward to riding with all of you.

Best,

~Hugh

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[RBW] Re: FS: An absurd amount of Riv stuff in SF Bay Area

[jose]

I've posted some high res pics here for those who requested them:

56:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/southgatephotos/sets/72157636561702015/
58: http://www.flickr.com/photos/southgatephotos/sets/72157636561910424/

Also, here are some pics with what I consider the ultimate bike camping set 
up:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/southgatephotos/sets/72157627728279836/

I'd prefer the 56 to live on as that ultimate camping set up including the 
bags. So I'd throw in the large olive saddlebag for free as well for anyone 
interested, provided I haven't sold the bag separately yet.


On Saturday, October 12, 2013 10:04:39 PM UTC-7, jose wrote:
>
> I'm moving to a place with minimal space for my raging bike habit, and now 
> I must clean out the absurd amount of stuff I've amassed over the years, 
> namely two Atlantises. I'd prefer to sell locally, in the SF Bay Area.
>
> Here's a link with all the stuff:
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/bia?query=jbikes
>
> Thanks, J.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Bruce Herbitter]

Took my Ram out yesterday for a club ride. The 37mm Paselas felt great.
every time I get on the bike, I am surprised by how comfortable it is and
how well it handles. I've had it with 28mm Contis, but always go back to
fatter rubber.


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Dave Johnston  wrote:

> I have a 56cm Rambouillet and a 57 Bleriot and the Ram languishes while
> the Bleriot gets ridden. I love the ride and handling that the 38mm
> Parimoto 650b tires gives the Bleriot. The Ruffy Tuffy 28mm tires on the
> Ram just feel harsh and no faster to me. Also almost all of my rides
> involves some dirt roads even if I have to go seek them out, which I
> wouldn't do on 28s.
>
> OTOH I would not want a second top tube, but my size San Marcos would be
> 650b and single top tube. Have you considered a used Bleriot? The frames
> were originally like $750 so might be quite a bargain used.
>
> I'm not selling the ramboulliet thoygh as its such a lovely bike in near
> perfect condition. When I get some extra dough I'm gonna try some Grand
> Bois Cypress 700 x 32, to see if I can get some extra cush and speed.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:13:59 PM UTC-4, Big Paulie wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to break with the other posters, and go with the San Marcos.
>>
>> I'm 5'10'' with an 86.5 PBH, as measured by Grant. The 54 San Marcos fits
>> me perfectly, with an 11cm stem.
>>
>> I've owned both the Rambouillet and the San Marcos, and I find the San
>> Marcos to be a better handling bike, when ridden with no "extras" like
>> fenders and baskets and bags. Dead solid neutral. The Rambouillet, for me,
>> was a touch twitchy.
>>
>> Plus, the San Marcos is available pretty much "on demand."
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Sean McAtee]

Again, I am very grateful for all of your comments and suggestions.
Temptation (as in the 58 cm blue Rambouillet frame now available on ebay -
the one that I hear whispering my name) is a terrible thing.  The consensus
seems to be that I would be better off on a 60 cm bike (or a 59, I assume,
on a AHH).

Just for the sake of asking, what would I notice if I decided to go after
the 58 cm frame now on ebay.  How would being on a frame that is a bit too
small affect the way that I feel on the bike.  Likewise, what improvement
in feel would I gain by moving up to the 60 (or 59 AHH)?

Sean


On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 5:09 PM, iamkeith  wrote:

> No opinion on the San Marcos, but some insight on the Ram - though it
>> seems others have already confirmed this:  60 cm seems just right for you.
>>
>
>
>> I am between 6'-1" and 6'-2", but have a similar (87cm) PBH to you, with
>> a long torso.   The stand-over with the stock 28mm rolly polly/ruffy tuffy
>> tires is just perfect for me - basically "touches flesh" when flat footed
>> but  no fear of banging into it whatsoever, in any kind of riding I'd ever
>> do on this type of bike.  And you might remember from the original Riv
>> flyer/catalog that they sized these with shorter than normal top tubes,
>> specifically to encourage people to buy the larger of two workable sizes.
>> On that note, I do wish mind had a longer top tube to work with my odd
>> proportions, but it's still the most comfortable and smoothest riding bike
>> I've ever had (including two other rivs), and wouldn't sell it for
>> anything.  I had some big bags on mine, before I found my all rounder,
>> and used it more heavily loaded than it was intended for too, with no
>> complaints.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Steve Palinscar

[Ken Mattina]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPatfgoNBRo


On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 8:38 AM, NickBull  wrote:

> Michael,
>
> It was with great reluctance that I clicked to see what you had posted ...
> I was not looking forward to reading the worst.
>
> In fact, I had just finished reading a post that Steve had posted a few
> hours earlier.  But unfortunately, it's always true in life that you never
> know what will happen, and a trip to the store (on bike, foot, or in a car)
> can be your last trip.
>
> So ... knock on wood and here's hoping all of us have long, healthy, and
> crash-free lives!
>
> Nick
>
>
> On Monday, October 14, 2013 8:03:28 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
>> Steve used to be a frequent poster here but I don't recall seeing
>> anything in quite a while.  Does anybody know if he is OK?
>>
>> Michael
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wooden Fenders for Atlantis - photos / suggestions

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Only an impression but they seem very durable versus bumps. Like a baseball bat.

On Oct 14, 2013, at 4:26 PM, "Minh" 
mailto:mgiangs...@gmail.com>> wrote:

No personal experience with woody fenders in use, but i've seen Tom A's in 
person, and they are beautiful.  He's done a stellar job of describing it, and 
there is an almost consensus of the strengths/weaknesses compared to plastic or 
metal.

the one thing that holds me back on them (and something others have not 
mentioned) is how durable the wood ones are bumping into things, i live in a 
really tight apartment with a curved staircase, so i always seem to bang the 
rear fender against the wall, the plastic/metals ones bounce back into shape, 
how would the wood ones fair?

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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Matthew J]

No experience with bolt on center pulls.  If you ever go custom, I highly 
recommend considering braze on center pulls.  I've had bikes with braze on 
Mafac Raids and Paul Racers and currently have a bike with Paul Racer Ms. 
 All three stopped with alacrity, had wide range modulation, and were easy 
to maintain.  

Would not say braze on center pulls are better than dual pivot side pulls 
or mini-vees, both of which I've found to do an excellent job.  Braze on 
center pulls do have a very integrated appearance and serve well.

On Monday, October 14, 2013 2:18:04 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Small update.  I ended up with the wrong size rear funky monkey.  "Of 
> course it's 28.6mm, just like the front derailer clamp!"  Nope.  Externally 
> butted Seat Tube, means I needed 30.0mm.  Bummer.  
>
> Anyway I did get the front set up.  I didn't ride around much with only a 
> front brake, but it seems pretty good.  I love the clearance.  I am easily 
> able to QR the brake to get the wheel out.  Also, I now have a front rack. 
>  All good points.  
>
> BUT..I hate how the arms tilt inward from the pivots.  The brake pads 
> cannot hit flush on the brake track.  BOO!  This means I need a wider rim. 
>  I have 19mm wide Mavic Open Pros now, but things would be a lot more 
> "squared-up" with a 23 or 24mm rim.  The way I prefer wide tires, this 
> needed to happen anyway.  Time to consider the Velocity A23 in 700c or the 
> Pacenti SL23 in 700c.  
>
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 1:55:29 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the replies.  I think I'm with all of you:  "I've used all 
>> kinds and they all work fine.  None are dramatically better or worse".  At 
>> least for everything but centerpulls.  I've never done a nice centerpull 
>> setup.  I understand being forced into using cheapie centerpulls for 
>> various reasons.  What I was curiously looking for was something more 
>> specific.  For example, I've seen many A Homer Hilsens using Silver 
>> Sidepulls, and I've seen many A Homer Hilsens using Paul Racer centerpulls. 
>>  I'd love to hear somebody say "I took off the Silver Sidepulls and 
>> installed Paul Racers and the result was ".  Or, I've seen many Roadeos 
>> with Tektro 539s, and a few with Paul Racer M.  I wanted to see if anybody 
>> specifically swapped from dual pivot to a quality centerpull and thought it 
>> changed anything.  That's what I'm doing, and I'll certainly share what my 
>> observations are.  
>>
>> Anyway, I did it partially out of curiosity about centerpulls.  I also 
>> did it because I wanted a cleanly installed small front rack.  I hated 
>> running P-clamps with a Marks rack on this bike.  I also did it because I 
>> think it will open up the fender area.  I also did it because I was/am 
>> inspired by Sumehra's custom mixte with braze on centerpull brakes.  If I 
>> love centerpulls, then braze on centerpulls on a custom might make it onto 
>> my bucket list.  
>>
>> 1.  If braking is a wash, and I gain the use of a proper handlebar bag, 
>> and improve fender clearance, that's a big win
>> 2.  If braking performance is better, and the rack breaks under my 
>> handlebar bag, and fender clearance is worse, then I won't know what to do
>> 3.  If braking performance is worse, and the rack breaks, then I'll whine 
>> like a baby
>>
>> I'm investing a lot in making this setup really as nice as I can.  Paul 
>> Funky Monkey hangers front and rear are rock solid.  These $170 Gran Compe 
>> brakes are beefy CNC, not unlike Pauls.  The pads come with salmon inserts 
>> and accept nice koolstop replacement inserts.  Good cables and housing, 
>> nice rims.  Everything should work great.  
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 1:23:31 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 11:48:45 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I've used center pulls, single pivots, and dual pivots, not to mention 
 cantis and vs, and haven't found centerpulls any better, or much worse, 
 than any of the others. 

>>>
>>> I'll echo Patrick's response. I've used centerpulls for specific 
>>> situations (like needing cheap longer reach for a 650b conversion, or 
>>> needing a nutted front brake) but they aren't any better at stopping than a 
>>> good single or dual pivot sidepull. I've used various Weinman, Mafac, and 
>>> DiaCompe, and they all seem about the same for stopping power.
>>>
>>> jim m
>>> wc ca 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet or San Marcos

[iamkeith]

>
> No opinion on the San Marcos, but some insight on the Ram - though it 
> seems others have already confirmed this:  60 cm seems just right for you.  
>
 

> I am between 6'-1" and 6'-2", but have a similar (87cm) PBH to you, with a 
> long torso.   The stand-over with the stock 28mm rolly polly/ruffy tuffy 
> tires is just perfect for me - basically "touches flesh" when flat footed 
> but  no fear of banging into it whatsoever, in any kind of riding I'd ever 
> do on this type of bike.  And you might remember from the original Riv 
> flyer/catalog that they sized these with shorter than normal top tubes, 
> specifically to encourage people to buy the larger of two workable sizes.   
> On that note, I do wish mind had a longer top tube to work with my odd 
> proportions, but it's still the most comfortable and smoothest riding bike 
> I've ever had (including two other rivs), and wouldn't sell it for 
> anything.  I had some big bags on mine, before I found my all rounder, 
> and used it more heavily loaded than it was intended for too, with no 
> complaints.
>

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[RBW] Re: new tires for my Hunqapillar: 2.1x29 Maxxis Crossmark

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Hi Christian, 

Nice pics and nice bike. I've been thinking about an off road bike. A Hunq 
is at the top of my list, but will probably end up with something off 
craigslist for a couple hundred bucks... it'l be mostly for tooling around 
with my kids BMX style... jumps, mud, etc. 

--Smitty


On Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:50:24 PM UTC-7, Christian wrote:
>
> Hi All, 
>
> I posted this in another thread, but in the event that not everyone reads 
> every reply to every thread I thought I'd post a new thread as everyone 
> does like to hear about tires--or I do anyway. 
>
> Speaking of pics: I just posted some of yesterday's wet and long ride. 
>  First time on the Maxxis 2.1 Crossmarks.  GREAT tires for wet and muddy 
> riding as well as pavement--and they only cost me $2 at a swap.  They fit 
> the Hunq really well with room to spare.  Recommended. 
>
> Happy riding.   http://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/
>
> Christian 
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Wasco County Country Ramble / coffee break

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Hey Cecily, 

Bruce is a man of the sea and the land. Often, as on this trip, he brings a 
sketch book instead of a camera. It's quite impressive to thumb through 
current and previous books and seeing the personal touch that is not 
captured in photographs. His blog has the occasional sketch, and the 
stories are worth reading. The majority of his sketches are only viewable 
in person. 

--Smitty



On Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:58:21 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> I'd love to see more of Bruce's sketches!
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Wooden Fenders for Atlantis - photos / suggestions

[Minh]

No personal experience with woody fenders in use, but i've seen Tom A's in 
person, and they are beautiful.  He's done a stellar job of describing it, 
and there is an almost consensus of the strengths/weaknesses compared to 
plastic or metal.

the one thing that holds me back on them (and something others have not 
mentioned) is how durable the wood ones are bumping into things, i live in 
a really tight apartment with a curved staircase, so i always seem to bang 
the rear fender against the wall, the plastic/metals ones bounce back into 
shape, how would the wood ones fair?

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[RBW] Re: PDX Sunrise Coffee Club Tomorrow

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Thanks for motivating me out of bed a little earlier than I might otherwise 
have gotten up. Felt good to get 5 miles and a couple hundred feet climbing 
in before sunrise... then I got to ride home.

Pics 

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Kelly]

It seems to me that if you saved your money the Roedeo would be a closer 
alternative than the AHH.   I love my RAM but, they don't make a Roadeo in my 
size so the RAM fit that nook for me.

Kelly




n Sunday, October 13, 2013 1:52:01 PM UTC-5, SeanMac wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I am searching for a new bike.  I currently have a go-fast(ish) bike, a Bob 
> Brown custom, which can fit a tire no larger than 23 X 700.  I also have a 
> Trek 520 Touring bike from the early 1990s.  I am searching for a bike to fit 
> between these two models.
> 
> Years ago I nearly purchased a Rivendell Rambouillet (I got the Bob Brown 
> instead), so I have a sentimental attachment to that bike.  Every now and 
> then a Ram appears here on the list or on ebay - I always find these listings 
> to be very tempting.  However, I wonder how much difference there is between 
> a used Ram and a new San Marcos.  The paint finish and headbadge of the bikes 
> do differ, but how much do the ride qualities differ?  At this point, is it a 
> better value to invest $900 in a used Rambo frame or $900 in a new San Marcos?
> 
> Thanks for your thoughts.
> 
> Sean

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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Bill Lindsay]

Small update.  I ended up with the wrong size rear funky monkey.  "Of 
course it's 28.6mm, just like the front derailer clamp!"  Nope.  Externally 
butted Seat Tube, means I needed 30.0mm.  Bummer.  

Anyway I did get the front set up.  I didn't ride around much with only a 
front brake, but it seems pretty good.  I love the clearance.  I am easily 
able to QR the brake to get the wheel out.  Also, I now have a front rack. 
 All good points.  

BUT..I hate how the arms tilt inward from the pivots.  The brake pads 
cannot hit flush on the brake track.  BOO!  This means I need a wider rim. 
 I have 19mm wide Mavic Open Pros now, but things would be a lot more 
"squared-up" with a 23 or 24mm rim.  The way I prefer wide tires, this 
needed to happen anyway.  Time to consider the Velocity A23 in 700c or the 
Pacenti SL23 in 700c.  

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 1:55:29 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Thanks for the replies.  I think I'm with all of you:  "I've used all 
> kinds and they all work fine.  None are dramatically better or worse".  At 
> least for everything but centerpulls.  I've never done a nice centerpull 
> setup.  I understand being forced into using cheapie centerpulls for 
> various reasons.  What I was curiously looking for was something more 
> specific.  For example, I've seen many A Homer Hilsens using Silver 
> Sidepulls, and I've seen many A Homer Hilsens using Paul Racer centerpulls. 
>  I'd love to hear somebody say "I took off the Silver Sidepulls and 
> installed Paul Racers and the result was ".  Or, I've seen many Roadeos 
> with Tektro 539s, and a few with Paul Racer M.  I wanted to see if anybody 
> specifically swapped from dual pivot to a quality centerpull and thought it 
> changed anything.  That's what I'm doing, and I'll certainly share what my 
> observations are.  
>
> Anyway, I did it partially out of curiosity about centerpulls.  I also did 
> it because I wanted a cleanly installed small front rack.  I hated running 
> P-clamps with a Marks rack on this bike.  I also did it because I think it 
> will open up the fender area.  I also did it because I was/am inspired by 
> Sumehra's custom mixte with braze on centerpull brakes.  If I love 
> centerpulls, then braze on centerpulls on a custom might make it onto my 
> bucket list.  
>
> 1.  If braking is a wash, and I gain the use of a proper handlebar bag, 
> and improve fender clearance, that's a big win
> 2.  If braking performance is better, and the rack breaks under my 
> handlebar bag, and fender clearance is worse, then I won't know what to do
> 3.  If braking performance is worse, and the rack breaks, then I'll whine 
> like a baby
>
> I'm investing a lot in making this setup really as nice as I can.  Paul 
> Funky Monkey hangers front and rear are rock solid.  These $170 Gran Compe 
> brakes are beefy CNC, not unlike Pauls.  The pads come with salmon inserts 
> and accept nice koolstop replacement inserts.  Good cables and housing, 
> nice rims.  Everything should work great.  
>
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 1:23:31 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 11:48:45 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> I've used center pulls, single pivots, and dual pivots, not to mention 
>>> cantis and vs, and haven't found centerpulls any better, or much worse, 
>>> than any of the others. 
>>>
>>
>> I'll echo Patrick's response. I've used centerpulls for specific 
>> situations (like needing cheap longer reach for a 650b conversion, or 
>> needing a nutted front brake) but they aren't any better at stopping than a 
>> good single or dual pivot sidepull. I've used various Weinman, Mafac, and 
>> DiaCompe, and they all seem about the same for stopping power.
>>
>> jim m
>> wc ca 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Michael Rivers]

Height 6' 1/2"
PBH 87cm
Saddle height 77cm
Ram 60cm
Quickbeam 60cm
AHH 61cm

I have never had any problems with standover on any of the bikes and the 
Noodles on the Ram are about 2cm below saddle.  Currently the Ram is set up 
650b, but I ran Jack Brown Greens happily as I weigh 196 lbs.

www.flickr.com/mrivers

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mech Q: Rear Derailer cable routing

[Tim Gavin]

Yup, rear derailer cable runs on the right (crank) side of the BB.

You can route the rear shifter cable from the right bar-end, to the LEFT
downtube stop, and have it cross over back to the right side if you like.
 I do this on my bikes and it makes for better (less severe bends) cable
loops from the handlebars.

Sheldon agrees: http://sheldonbrown.com/cables.html
and here: http://www.rodbikes.com/articles/crossed_cables.html




On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> rear derailleur cable should be on the right side
>
>
> On Monday, October 14, 2013 10:33:41 AM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>>
>> I was looking at my rear derailer cable routing and was not sure if I
>> have it right. I can't find a good set of instructions from alba bar end to
>> derailer insertion, but I know it is not that complicated.
>> I am using the microshift bar end shifter from Riv, friction.
>> From the vantage point of sitting on the saddle:
>> After leaving the handlebar, does the cable go on the right (same side)
>> or the left (Cross) of the downtube?
>> Looking down at the bottom bracket, should the cable be on the right
>> (Derailer side) or left?
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>> I don't know much about mechanical work, but am not afraid to do 5 minute
>> (Read: 2 hour) jobs here and there.
>>
>> Edwin
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Tony McG]

I have been very happy with my San Marcos.  I have never ridden a 
Rambouillet, but I have talked with people who have and the biggest 
difference that they have commented on is that the San Marcos frame is 
stiffer.  I am 6' tall with an 89 cm pbh and I am riding a 59 San Marcos 
with a 7 cm stem; the handlebars are level with the 79 cm saddle height. 
 It easily fits 33.3 Jack Browns, but I haven't tried them with fenders.  I 
have ridden the San Marcos about 2500 over the last year and a half, 
including two RAGBRAI.  It has been very comfortable and predictable, and 
it climbs hills like a goat.

On Sunday, October 13, 2013 1:52:01 PM UTC-5, SeanMac wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am searching for a new bike.  I currently have a go-fast(ish) bike, a 
> Bob Brown custom, which can fit a tire no larger than 23 X 700.  I also 
> have a Trek 520 Touring bike from the early 1990s.  I am searching for a 
> bike to fit between these two models.
>
> Years ago I nearly purchased a Rivendell Rambouillet (I got the Bob Brown 
> instead), so I have a sentimental attachment to that bike.  Every now and 
> then a Ram appears here on the list or on ebay - I always find these 
> listings to be very tempting.  However, I wonder how much difference there 
> is between a used Ram and a new San Marcos.  The paint finish and headbadge 
> of the bikes do differ, but how much do the ride qualities differ?  At this 
> point, is it a better value to invest $900 in a used Rambo frame or $900 in 
> a new San Marcos?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
> Sean
>

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[RBW] Re: Mech Q: Rear Derailer cable routing

[Ron Mc]

rear derailleur cable should be on the right side

On Monday, October 14, 2013 10:33:41 AM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I was looking at my rear derailer cable routing and was not sure if I have 
> it right. I can't find a good set of instructions from alba bar end to 
> derailer insertion, but I know it is not that complicated.
> I am using the microshift bar end shifter from Riv, friction.
> From the vantage point of sitting on the saddle:
> After leaving the handlebar, does the cable go on the right (same side) or 
> the left (Cross) of the downtube?
> Looking down at the bottom bracket, should the cable be on the right 
> (Derailer side) or left?
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> I don't know much about mechanical work, but am not afraid to do 5 minute 
> (Read: 2 hour) jobs here and there.
>
> Edwin 
>

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[RBW] Mech Q: Rear Derailer cable routing

[Edwin W]

I was looking at my rear derailer cable routing and was not sure if I have 
it right. I can't find a good set of instructions from alba bar end to 
derailer insertion, but I know it is not that complicated.
I am using the microshift bar end shifter from Riv, friction.
>From the vantage point of sitting on the saddle:
After leaving the handlebar, does the cable go on the right (same side) or 
the left (Cross) of the downtube?
Looking down at the bottom bracket, should the cable be on the right 
(Derailer side) or left?

Thanks for the help.

I don't know much about mechanical work, but am not afraid to do 5 minute 
(Read: 2 hour) jobs here and there.

Edwin 

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[RBW] Re: Steve Palinscar

[NickBull]

Michael,

It was with great reluctance that I clicked to see what you had posted ... 
I was not looking forward to reading the worst.

In fact, I had just finished reading a post that Steve had posted a few 
hours earlier.  But unfortunately, it's always true in life that you never 
know what will happen, and a trip to the store (on bike, foot, or in a car) 
can be your last trip.

So ... knock on wood and here's hoping all of us have long, healthy, and 
crash-free lives!

Nick

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>
> Steve used to be a frequent poster here but I don't recall seeing anything 
> in quite a while.  Does anybody know if he is OK?
>
> Michael
>

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[RBW] Re: Tektro brake setup

[Garth]

I've found that not all frames have perfectly equidistant braze ons also, 
so this may or may not come into play here.  This is why I prefer the the 
post style cantilevers as they offer more adjustment . 

Really though, it sounds like you need a "break" from either the 720's or 
the bike or whatever.  What I do when find myself "struggling" is just drop 
it and laugh at it's absurdity !  I'm getting frustrated over what ? ?  
Not worth it !   So ... I say to myself ... "this is silly ... I Know How 
To Do This" and guess what  the solution always comes quickly.   
When you're in a "state of struggle" , the solutions are still right there, 
but you're blind to it from the self created "tornado"... lol.No 
Tornado is greater than I ,the one who elicited it !  

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[RBW] Re: '80s Peugeot built for off road riding, updated w/ ride report

[Montclair BobbyB]

Ah, Bavaria in Oktober!!!... Only thing missing from the second photo is a 
large mug of beer.  Gorgeous photo.



On Monday, October 14, 2013 4:23:34 AM UTC-4, Tom Harrop wrote:
>
> Just thought I'd add a quick ride report to this thread. I took the bike 
> down to the Black Forest a couple of weekends ago. The riding there was a 
> lot of fun—a hilly mix of gravel roads, singletrack, and pushing the bike 
> across paddocks. The trails felt quite secluded and you get some stunning 
> views from the mountains out into the valleys, although the clouds were so 
> low (or the hills were so high?) that I was riding in them a lot of the 
> time. I only had my phone with me so you'll have to excuse the picture 
> quality.
>
> The gearing on the bike was just about right, i.e. almost low enough for 
> anything I'd actually want to ride up. I did get off and walk up a few 
> hills but I wouldn't say it was the bike holding me back. I could maybe 
> use one or two lower gears but it would make the top gears far too low for 
> cruising on pavement, so it's a compromise I'm happy to accept.
>
> The Clément tyres were perfect. I didn't have any problems with grip. I 
> had one pinch flat descending a bit too fast on a rocky path, obviously 
> not a fault of the tyres, but I guess I have to increase the pressure a 
> tad. Only mechanical issue is a slipping seatpost, but as a large person 
> that's something I'm used to dealing with.
>
> Tom
>

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[RBW] Re: Steve Palinscar

[Montclair BobbyB]

It's only because Steve has been posting under the pseudonym, "Carlos 
Danger"... 

That's very thoughtful of you, Michael...* *


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> Steve used to be a frequent poster here but I don't recall seeing anything 
> in quite a while.  Does anybody know if he is OK?
>
> Michael
>

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[nawrock]

Sean, 
I have the same measurements and pbh as you. Rivs I have owned: 61 Atlantis, 60 
Rambouillet, 60 Quickbeam 
Current Rivs in garage: 59 Rodeo, 60 Simpleone 
The 60 Rambouillet was a great fit, no issues at all. Great for long road 
rides. 
I rode a demo Ram 62 for a weekend when I lived near WC. It was a bit large. 
Also like the bars up above the saddle. 

Dave Nawrocki 
Ft. Collins, CO 

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From: "Sean McAtee"  
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com, borus...@gmail.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 2:29:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos 

Thanks for all of your responses. I must admit, I'm not terribly shocked that 
the Rambo is considered the way for me to go. 

Bo, I'm really intrigued by all that you said. What made you sell the AHH in 
favor of a Rambo? I'm curious because another option that I have considered is 
saving up my cash to purchase a new or used AHH. 

Also, Bo, as far as your 56 Rambo, I wish I could help, but it is too small for 
me. Whenever I measure my PBH I end up somewhere between 86 and 87 (I'm about 5 
foot 11). Based on those measurements I would be best fit on at least a 58 
Rambo - perhaps even a 60. 

By the way, if anyone has a Rambo that has a PBH similar to mine, I would be 
curious about your recommendation for size -- would I fit best on a 58 or a 60? 

Sean 


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 4:04 PM, bo richardson < borus...@gmail.com > wrote: 


having two Rambouillets at present and anAtlantis and having 
had an AHH I sold in favor of the Rambouillet, I come down hard on the 
side of rhe Rambouillet. 

My brother has a Rambouillet which he bought before i bought mine. 
I bought mine on the basis of having ridden his. No regrets 

Self interest notice 
I am only keeping one Rambouillet. Should you be interested in a 
green 56 Rambouillet with fresh new top quality parts we might have a 
confluence of interet. 

thanks 

Bo Richardson 
Bellingham Wa 

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[RBW] Re: Wooden Fenders for Atlantis - photos / suggestions

[David Spranger]

I have a set of Compound Curve Woody's Fenders on my AHH. I thought they 
were very easy to set up, have plenty of clearance for the tires I am using 
and give me plenty of real world rain protection. After about 10 months of 
commute duty, they look as they did when new. For what it is worth, the 
curvature of the fenders was so good that I did not have to worry about any 
undue tension on the fenders to get a good fender line.

David
Charlotte, NC


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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Perry]

PS. If it makes a difference, I was workig from original inch PBH measurements 
34-1/2" and 34-5/8" for all my conversions.

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Bobish]

I didn't measure the greatly precise mm. I just did a conversion from the inch 
measurement and copied and pasted the results so the op could see the mm 
compared to his own pbh without having to do the math.

• Perry


On Oct 14, 2013, at 6:50 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On 10/14/2013 03:33 AM, Perry wrote:
>> Particulars: I've been told I have very uniform, off the shelf proportions 
>> of torso/legs/arms. After repeated measurements, I read my PBH as between 
>> 34.5 inches (87.63 centimeters) and 34.62500 inches  (87.9475 centimeters).
> 
> With this much variation in measurement due to technique, does it make sense 
> to cite a measurement with 4 or 5 digits to the right of the decimal point?
> 
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[RBW] Re: Wooden Fenders for Atlantis - photos / suggestions

[doc]

I've had a pair of flat Woodys on my LHT since 2007.  As fenders go, I find 
them completely adequate for moderate rainfall.  Anything harder than that, 
I figure I'm going to be soaked anyway.  They do well with puddles, 
etc...and I'm now playing around with a mudflap on the rear since a fellow 
tourist was complaining about my rooster tail recently.

Honestly, though, I bought them for the looks and have never regretted it.  
They stand out from the crowd, and it's surprising how often I get asked 
about my "old bike."  Installation was extremely easy, and I've been 
thinking about removing and refinishing them since they're starting to show 
some wear, but I'm in no hurry.

http://gspiess.wordpress.com/the-bikes/2007-surly-long-haul-trucker/


On Saturday, October 12, 2013 10:25:59 PM UTC-4, WETH wrote:
>
> Having donated the plastic Planet Bike fenders from my Atlantis to my 
> wife's new orange Surly LHT, I am searching for a new set.  In reviewing 
> the many fender options, I have become intrigued by bamboo and wooden 
> fenders.
> If you have wooden fenders on any type of bike do you like them? Why or 
> why not? What kind/who made them?
> If you have wooden fenders on an Atlantis, do you have photos? 
> A google search only returned three Atlanti with wooden fenders (to my 
> hurried/tired eyes):
> Michael and Mel's at cyclofiend.com
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2006/cc184-michaelwolfe1006.html
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc519-jamesjohnson0908.html
> And PlainWrapPedaler at Flickr: 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/46241869@N08/7523876266/
> Any others out there?  I am curious about how they hold up compared to 
> plastic and metal as well as how fenders of different types of wood  look 
> on an Atlantis.
> So far, I have discovered Woodys Fenders (
> http://www.woodysfenders.com/store/) and Sykes (
> http://www.sykeswoodfenders.com/sykeswoodfenders/home.html).  Are there 
> other manufacturers?
> Many thanks,
> Erl
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Steve Palinscar

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/14/2013 08:03 AM, Michael Hechmer wrote:
Steve used to be a frequent poster here but I don't recall seeing 
anything in quite a while.  Does anybody know if he is OK?


I'm fine.  In fact, I posted to the list this morning.


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[RBW] Steve Palinscar

[Michael Hechmer]

Steve used to be a frequent poster here but I don't recall seeing anything 
in quite a while.  Does anybody know if he is OK?

Michael

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[RBW] Re: Tektro brake setup

[Michael Hechmer]

I have never gotten them close enough to center to make the set screws 
useful.I tried setting their hangers off center but that did not help. 
 I fussed with them for a long time before throwing the hangers in the 
recycle box and using Paul's.  I have not tried deforming the spring but I 
did move one to the top hole on the post.  That helped.  Perhaps this is a 
quality control issue.  I have set up Dia Compe & Shimano cantis and never 
had this much trouble.  One of the things I especially like about the neo 
retros on my Saluki is the ability to set and easily fine tune the tension 
on each side independently.

I took the brakes off, perhaps needlessly, in order to make packing the 
bike easier and so will get another shot at alignment when I get to Ca 
tomorrow.  Thanks for all the suggestions and support.

Michael


On Sunday, October 13, 2013 9:36:55 PM UTC-4, ted wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> I assume you have exhausted the adjustability afforded by the set screws 
> the springs land on. In that case don't hesitate to unhook the spring from 
> the brake arm and push it far enough to induce some plastic deformation. 
> Then fine tune again with the set screws. It may take some iteration, and 
> may count as a PITA for some folks, but I have been able to get mine to sit 
> centered with the carrier centered and the brake cable running straight.
>
> best of luck
> Ted
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:25:04 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> When you say you haven't had any trouble, do you mean the brakes self 
>> centered or you found a simple work around? What is it?
>>
>> I started with their hanger and then tossed it out and bought a Paul's 
>> moon unit.  Same result - one brake rubs while the other sits far away. 
>>  Putting one spring in the top hole on the post helped somewhat.   I 
>> beginning to think the springs themselves must have a lot of variability.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:01:53 PM UTC-4, Kieran J wrote:
>>>
>>> Haven't had any troubles with them. As others have noted, I used a 
>>> different hanger and Avid Tri-dangle straddles as opposed to the stock 
>>> ones, as I found the small hex cable bolts easier to manage than the wrench 
>>> bolts.
>>>
>>> The brakes themselves are pretty good, geometrically, aesthetically and 
>>> function-wise. Nice value.
>>>
>>> KJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:54:52 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:


  I tried the 720's on my Bombadil and had no problem setting them up in 
 a jiffy.  there is nothing wrong with the brakes themselves, it's only the 
 stock hanger that is worthless.  Just use a regular ol' hanger, the basic 
 ones .  If you don't have one handy, any bike shop worthy of being called 
 one should have them new or in the parts bin.  I have used canti's since 
 the early 80's and have found the small, basic cable carriers work best. 
 The wider one's are not better. 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/14/2013 03:33 AM, Perry wrote:

Particulars: I've been told I have very uniform, off the shelf proportions of 
torso/legs/arms. After repeated measurements, I read my PBH as between 34.5 
inches (87.63 centimeters) and 34.62500 inches  (87.9475 centimeters).


With this much variation in measurement due to technique, does it make 
sense to cite a measurement with 4 or 5 digits to the right of the 
decimal point?



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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet or San Marcos

[Perry]

More ingredients to stir into the pot…

A little dissent on the Ram. The asthetics of the contrasting paint and lugs on 
most Rivs are a bit too ornate for my taste so I actually like/prefer the 
riv/soma San Marcos. And the blue color is really nice (at least on the 
internets--never seen one in person). I thought hard about this bike when it 
came out. But alas, it has to be a 2 top tuber at my size and that breaks all 
deals for me. I think it has to get to 65 cm or larger before two tubes start 
to look right to my eye. 

As for size, I've had many, many bikes that should have fit me according to 
charts, recommendations and such. All ended up being too small but I've never 
had a bike that was too big. I, however, like my bars above the saddle and I'm 
riding Albas. For what it's worth.

Particulars: I've been told I have very uniform, off the shelf proportions of 
torso/legs/arms. After repeated measurements, I read my PBH as between 34.5 
inches (87.63 centimeters) and 34.62500 inches  (87.9475 centimeters). The last 
bike I bought was a vintage trek which I thought would probably be too big. But 
for $100, what the hey! This is the best fitting bike I've ever owned (although 
I wouldn't go any bigger). It measures as follows: Seat tube: 24" C-T, Top 
tube: 23" C-C, Standover 34.5". When I straddle the bike at stops, the top tube 
is right up there in my business. And yet, after many miles, it's never been a 
real world issue. Because of the albas, a longer top tube would be fine. But 
this top tube measurement would definitely work with drop bars if I went that 
way. There's less than a fistful of seatpost showing--which looks fine to me 
eye. But I find too little seatpost showing preferable to too much…whatever the 
too little/too much designations even mean.

I have to personally thank Grant here. I wouldn't have looked at a bike this 
big in my lifetime had it not been for his well publicized opinions on the 
matter. Really opened my eyes. So all this is just some more data which may in 
no way apply whatsoever to you. 

Good luck!
• Perry

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