Re: [RBW] Re: Surly-Riv-rivalry?

2013-12-13 Thread Ron Mc
and yet not a single one of those harsh views was parroted by any other 
participant on this forum - it was a silly thread about a dumb patch. 
 Apology accepted.  

On Friday, December 13, 2013 1:17:47 AM UTC-6, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

 I was the one who brought up the rivalry issue. I never thought that 
 Riv/Surly employees had any axes to grind with each other (more like mutual 
 respect), but that some of the participants in this group seemed to have 
 unwarranted harsh views about Surly. As Grant said, Surly is one of the 
 good guys for those of us who have a Riv-ish perspective on design.

 I considered later that it gets dark here at 4:30 pm now and it was -6F at 
 the time, so maybe I was moody and being a little too sensitive.


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[RBW] Re: Goods4Salez: valid or bogus website for bike parts?

2013-12-13 Thread ascpgh
I did some digging and found Amazon listing Goods4salez as a storefront 
(meaning known to them and doing commerce via them) but said the storefront 
was unavailable at this time. Seems too risky to engage despite the truly 
enticing pricing on those tires.

Andy Cheatham 
Pittsburgh

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 5:44:06 PM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:

 Shopping for studded tires, I stumbled upon Goods4Salez.com with 
 too-good-to-be-true prices on Schwalbe tires.  


 http://www.goods4salez.com/bicycle-tires-schwalbe-c-135_139.html?page=2sort=6a

 Looks sketchy, feels sketchy, probably is sketchy.

 Has anyone successfully ordered from this site?  I'm assuming that it's 
 bogus.  Can anyone prove me wrong?

 'Cause I would love me some half-price Schwalbe tires!  Especially since I 
 may not ride studded very often.  My 8-mile 6am bike commute isn't very 
 appealing in the snowy freezing weather, but I feel like I should HTFU and 
 try it.

 Sorry for wasting your time if this site is as bogus as it seems.

 Tim Gavin
 Cedar Rapids, IA


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[RBW] Re: Style!

2013-12-13 Thread Ron Mc
styling indeed - thanks for sharing.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Goods4Salez: valid or bogus website for bike parts?

2013-12-13 Thread Tim Gavin
Sorry for wasting everyone's time.  Like I said, if it seems to good to be
true...

:)

To salvage this thread with some Riv content:  This weekend I'm dialing in
the Soma San Marcos I'm giving to my girlfriend for Xmas.  Kickstand,
Brooks, fenders, front rack and basket.

Tim


On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 6:30 AM, ascpgh asc@gmail.com wrote:

 I did some digging and found Amazon listing Goods4salez as a storefront
 (meaning known to them and doing commerce via them) but said the storefront
 was unavailable at this time. Seems too risky to engage despite the truly
 enticing pricing on those tires.

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh


 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 5:44:06 PM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:

 Shopping for studded tires, I stumbled upon Goods4Salez.com with
 too-good-to-be-true prices on Schwalbe tires.

 http://www.goods4salez.com/bicycle-tires-schwalbe-c-135_
 139.html?page=2sort=6a

 Looks sketchy, feels sketchy, probably is sketchy.

 Has anyone successfully ordered from this site?  I'm assuming that it's
 bogus.  Can anyone prove me wrong?

 'Cause I would love me some half-price Schwalbe tires!  Especially since
 I may not ride studded very often.  My 8-mile 6am bike commute isn't very
 appealing in the snowy freezing weather, but I feel like I should HTFU and
 try it.

 Sorry for wasting your time if this site is as bogus as it seems.

 Tim Gavin
 Cedar Rapids, IA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Goods4Salez: valid or bogus website for bike parts?

2013-12-13 Thread Ron Mc
they have an address in Harrisburg New Hampshire - they do not have a 
record on the BBB.  
here is the link to request a search by the BBB  - they will follow through 
and report to you.  
http://concord.bbb.org/find-business-reviews/name/goods4salez/Harrisville-NH/

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:17:58 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:

 This is an actual review posted on their site 

 DO NOT BUY FROM GOODS4SALEZ!!! THIS IS A SCAM SITE. I HAD TO GO THROUGH 
 EBAY CLAIMS TO RECOVER THOUSANDS. NO PHONE NUMBER, NEVER RETURN...
 On Dec 12, 2013 7:11 PM, blakcloud blakc...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Google Map the address and it doesn't exist. The town and zip code are 
 correct but no Peck Street to be found. Did a Whois on the website and it 
 belongs to someone in India. Bogus for sure. 

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 5:44:06 PM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:

 Shopping for studded tires, I stumbled upon Goods4Salez.com with 
 too-good-to-be-true prices on Schwalbe tires.  

 http://www.goods4salez.com/bicycle-tires-schwalbe-c-135_
 139.html?page=2sort=6a

 Looks sketchy, feels sketchy, probably is sketchy.

 Has anyone successfully ordered from this site?  I'm assuming that it's 
 bogus.  Can anyone prove me wrong?

 'Cause I would love me some half-price Schwalbe tires!  Especially since 
 I may not ride studded very often.  My 8-mile 6am bike commute isn't very 
 appealing in the snowy freezing weather, but I feel like I should HTFU and 
 try it.

 Sorry for wasting your time if this site is as bogus as it seems.

 Tim Gavin
 Cedar Rapids, IA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style!

2013-12-13 Thread Curtis McKenzie
Check out the forks on his bike.


On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:55 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

 styling indeed - thanks for sharing.


 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 5:49:03 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

 http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style!

2013-12-13 Thread Ron Mc
http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/BatesVegrandis1951.html  

http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/bates-horst1.jpg  
http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/bates-pu-rb3.jpg


On Friday, December 13, 2013 8:05:58 AM UTC-6, Curtis wrote:

 Check out the forks on his bike.


 On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:55 AM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com 
 javascript:wrote:

 styling indeed - thanks for sharing.  


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 http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style!

2013-12-13 Thread Bruce Herbitter

Hetchins chain stays re-purposed?

On 12/13/2013 8:05 AM, Curtis McKenzie wrote:

Check out the forks on his bike.


On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:55 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com 
mailto:bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:


styling indeed - thanks for sharing.


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http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/

Inline image 1

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wool socks

2013-12-13 Thread Kevin Mulcahy
I'm a huge fan of the wool socks made by Chrome. I wear them in the office, 
on hikes, and on bikes.  I would say that they are easily at or above the 
quality to Smart Wool socks. (Which isn't saying much because Smart Wool 
makes some crappy, and some excellent, socks.)  Chrome also offers a free 
pair when you buy 2. Great deal. 

Filson also makes very good tall socks, not so cheap though.

Kevin
Chicago, IL

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style!

2013-12-13 Thread Ron Mc
of course that is a Bates, but essentially the same idea - short-trail 
geometry plus improved suspension

On Friday, December 13, 2013 9:02:44 AM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:

  Hetchins chain stays re-purposed?

 On 12/13/2013 8:05 AM, Curtis McKenzie wrote:
  
 Check out the forks on his bike.
  

 On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:55 AM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com 
 javascript:wrote:

 styling indeed - thanks for sharing.   


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 http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/ 

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[RBW] Re: Goods4Salez: valid or bogus website for bike parts?

2013-12-13 Thread Mojo


 On a related note, I have recently been scammed by bikepartsexpress.com. 
 Paypal was able to get my money back, but I recommend you do not give them 
 your money either.

 

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[RBW] Re: Wool Boreal Shirt (and other Bushcraft-inspired stuff)...

2013-12-13 Thread Liesl
BobbyB!  Most excellent report on your Boreal Shirt.  Yes, you will love it 
for a long time.  The leather lacing is a fun place to adorn your shirt; I 
assume yours is laced upsidedown as mine was/is meaning that the ends of 
the laces come out of the bottom eyelets rather than the top eyelets.  Once 
I got used to it, this is a great one-handed design .  Anyway, you an use a 
hearty trade bead with a big hole as a slider or make a decorative knot.  A 
lanyard knot works really nicely and looks swellegant and sailorly.

http://www.animatedknots.com/lanyard/index.php?Categ=decorativeLogoImage=LogoGrog.jpgWebsite=www.animatedknots.com

http://www.craftingspot.com/artistic_knots.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wool socks

2013-12-13 Thread Deacon Patrick
Filson's socks used to be good. They switched something (perhaps making 
them in China) around 2000 and they've been poor ever since.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, December 13, 2013 8:13:42 AM UTC-7, Kevin Mulcahy wrote:

 I'm a huge fan of the wool socks made by Chrome. I wear them in the 
 office, on hikes, and on bikes.  I would say that they are easily at or 
 above the quality to Smart Wool socks. (Which isn't saying much because 
 Smart Wool makes some crappy, and some excellent, socks.)  Chrome also 
 offers a free pair when you buy 2. Great deal. 

 Filson also makes very good tall socks, not so cheap though.

 Kevin
 Chicago, IL


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Acorn, Carradice, Phil BB, Nitto, TRP RRL SR

2013-12-13 Thread Jim Bronson
I'll take it


On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Dan McNamara djmcnam...@gmail.com wrote:

 Phil BB is claimed.

 That leaved the green Carradice Barley




 On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Dan McNamara djmcnam...@gmail.comwrote:

 Acorn bag, R-14 and Tektro levers claimed.

 Barley and Phil BB still available.




 On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Dan McNamara djmcnam...@gmail.comwrote:

 Starting to go thru a clean out of excess goodness from the garage:


 Acorn Large Saddlebag Black Waxed unused - $95 shipped to the US
 This is the older style that has an interior pocket towards the seatpost
 instead of the current standoff. Never used or mounted. The total capacity
 of the bag is 8L - about 1.5L is the front compartment.
 Very well designed to eliminate thigh rub.
 Like this:
 http://web.archive.org/web/20120219051815/http://www.acornbags.com/lgbag.html


 Carradice Barley Green Saddlebag new  - $90 shipped to the US
 Not much else to say here. In the original package. Never opened.


 Phil BB 113 about 800 miles on it with British rings and tool - $105
 shipped to the US
 Brand new rings and tool. Includes the little tube of locktite. BB spins
 well.


 Nitto R-14 Top Rack used in great shape - $85 shipped to the US
 Long stays are new/uncut.


 Tektro TRP RRL SR Brake Levers light use - $60 shipped to the US
 These are the silver drilled gummish hood version. Perfect shape.


 Email me with questions. I can get pictures on request.

 Thanks

 Dan

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Acorn, Carradice, Phil BB, Nitto, TRP RRL SR

2013-12-13 Thread Jim Bronson
the green barley Carradice that is.


On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'll take it


 On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Dan McNamara djmcnam...@gmail.comwrote:

 Phil BB is claimed.

 That leaved the green Carradice Barley




 On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Dan McNamara djmcnam...@gmail.comwrote:

 Acorn bag, R-14 and Tektro levers claimed.

 Barley and Phil BB still available.




 On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Dan McNamara djmcnam...@gmail.comwrote:

 Starting to go thru a clean out of excess goodness from the garage:


 Acorn Large Saddlebag Black Waxed unused - $95 shipped to the US
 This is the older style that has an interior pocket towards the
 seatpost instead of the current standoff. Never used or mounted. The total
 capacity of the bag is 8L - about 1.5L is the front compartment.
 Very well designed to eliminate thigh rub.
 Like this:
 http://web.archive.org/web/20120219051815/http://www.acornbags.com/lgbag.html


 Carradice Barley Green Saddlebag new  - $90 shipped to the US
 Not much else to say here. In the original package. Never opened.


 Phil BB 113 about 800 miles on it with British rings and tool - $105
 shipped to the US
 Brand new rings and tool. Includes the little tube of locktite. BB
 spins well.


 Nitto R-14 Top Rack used in great shape - $85 shipped to the US
 Long stays are new/uncut.


 Tektro TRP RRL SR Brake Levers light use - $60 shipped to the US
 These are the silver drilled gummish hood version. Perfect shape.


 Email me with questions. I can get pictures on request.

 Thanks

 Dan

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RE: [RBW] Re: Racing Sucks

2013-12-13 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
;-)   !!

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Racing Sucks

I'll go out on a limb and predict that the guy who designed the bongs, farts, 
and chainsaws sticker might not be up to speed on his Baudelaire

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:34:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On 12/12/2013 11:57 AM, Edwin W wrote:
Wheelies are the best trick ever invented. That�s just a fact.

I thought this (�La plus belle des ruses du diable est de vous persuader 
qu'il n'existe pas. ) was supposed to be the best trick.

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Re: [RBW] Style!

2013-12-13 Thread Jim Cloud
I've gotten the same Brooks L'Eroica jersey that I purchased from Ben's 
Cycle at a very reasonable price (I recollect about $80.00).  Here:  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37964304@N05/8162742195/in/photostream

Brooks has a newer version of the L'Eroica jersey that was worn by the 
Brooks team in the 2012 L'Eroica last year, but I'm not ready to spring for 
180 Eu...  http://road.cc/content/news/71682-brooks-launch-new-products

Jim

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 Brooks Jersey is hawt! 
 On Dec 12, 2013 6:49 PM, Patrick Moore bert...@gmail.com javascript: 
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 http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/

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[RBW] Re: Surly-Riv-rivalry?

2013-12-13 Thread Frank
Both brands (companies, philosophies, products) are loved in our family. I 
bought my first Rivendell product in 2000, my first bike in 2002 (63cm 
Romulus), and have basically kept everything in house with zero degradation 
in utility ever since. 

I bought my first Surly bike for my son (42cm LHT) on his 8th birthday, a 
bike which has since been passed down to his younger brother while the 
older one rides a 55cm CrossCheck. 

On Monday of this week my now 5' 4-all-legs 13 year old rode off to school 
on my 61cm Bleriot / Xtracycle, trumpet on one side, giant Duluth pack, 
locks, rain gear and whatnot on the other, with lights and reflecties 
everywhere. It's his now, which was always the plan. Remarkably, it fits 
him fine. He straddles the top tube with feet flat in PF Flyers, and with 
'86 Suntour XC stem, bars, and shifters, the each is perfect. He looks 
great on it, and he's proud to have it.

Anyway, Surly provided a great way for a kid who wanted to really ride to 
move into a quality bike at a fair stretchable price point at an early 
age. 6 years ago the options were really limited for kids or small adults, 
and to have a 42cm frame available was a big deal to me, and the price was 
value-justified. Making a market commitment like that is a hard thing to do 
for any company, and if the Rivendell design philosophy nudged Surly toward 
a not-dumb ethos, stretching the range of frame sizes to intersect with 
the '24 inch wheel kid-bike options was definitely a not-dumb move, and one 
that Surly, with their not-lugs approach was uniquely positioned to 
consider and execute. 

That LHT offered everything that an Atlantis from a capability perspective, 
and though the Rivendell kids bike comes up on this forum every once in a 
while, making one would probably force a not-lugs exception to make it 
feasible, and selling them would be a not-profitable endeavor, or so I 
suspect.

We've enjoyed years of utility, transport, and just plain fun on Surly and 
Rivendell bikes, and I have two kids who can work on their machines, lock 
them properly, ride them safely and effectively on Seattle's streets, and 
who understand that bicycles are fun and useful. That makes me happy.


  

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[RBW] Re: Surly-Riv-rivalry?

2013-12-13 Thread Frank
Both brands (companies, philosophies, products) are loved in our family. I 
bought my first Rivendell product in 2000, my first bike in 2002 (63cm 
Romulus), and have basically kept everything in house with zero degradation 
in utility ever since. 

I bought my first Surly bike for my son (42cm LHT) on his 8th birthday, a 
bike which has since been passed down to his younger brother while the 
older one rides a 55cm CrossCheck. 

On Monday of this week my now 5' 4 all-legs 13 year old rode off to school 
on a 61cm Bleriot / Xtracycle, trumpet on one side, giant Duluth pack, 
locks, rain gear and whatnot on the other, with lights and reflecties 
everywhere. It's his now, which was always the plan. Remarkably, it fits 
him fine. He straddles the top tube with feet flat in PF Flyers, and set-up 
with a circe-'86 Suntour XC stem, bars, and shifters, the reach is perfect, 
upright and relaxed. He looks great on it, and he's proud to have it.

Anyway, Surly provided a great way for a kid who wanted to really ride to 
move into a quality bike at a fair stretchable price point at an early 
age. 6 years ago the options were really limited for kids or small adults, 
and to have a quality 42cm frame available was a big deal to me, and the 
price was value-justified. Making a market commitment like that is a hard 
thing to do for any company, and if the Rivendell design philosophy nudged 
Surly toward a not-dumb ethos, stretching the range of frame sizes to 
intersect with the '24 inch wheel kid-bike options was definitely a 
not-dumb move, and one that Surly, with their not-lugs approach was 
uniquely positioned to consider and execute. 

That LHT offered everything that an Atlantis did from a capability 
perspective, and though the Rivendell kids bike comes up on this forum 
every once in a while, making one would probably force a not-lugs exception 
to make it feasible, and selling them would be a not-profitable endeavor, 
or so I suspect.

We've enjoyed years of utility, transport, and just plain fun on Surly and 
Rivendell bikes. The brands intersect, but collectively they stretch the 
market in really meaningful ways. I have two kids who can work on their 
machines, lock them properly, carry everything they require, ride them 
safely and effectively on Seattle's streets, and who understand that 
bicycles are fun and useful. That makes me happy. 

-Frank


  

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[RBW] Re: Surly-Riv-rivalry?

2013-12-13 Thread Liesl
Erin's Quickbeam and Surly LHT sleep together every night down in the 
basement.  There are no bike arguments down there; mostly I think I just 
hear giggling.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

2013-12-13 Thread Bryan
My silver QB has a kickstand plate and mid-seatstay braze-ons (although I 
haven't used either yet). Take that, orange QB snobs! 

Bryan 

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[RBW] Re: Wool socks

2013-12-13 Thread Ryan
Hi Ann and all
 
I am a big fan of DeFeet Woolie Boolies. Musa. 70% merino wo0l, 15% Lycra 
and 15% something else...$17.50 Cdn at MEC, so likely cheaper in the 
states. I've been wearing DeFeet wool socks since about 2007...and using 
these Woolie Boolies since late 2011. Tough, durable, luxuriously soft, 
nice cushioning. They have various weights so the lighter weights are great 
for summer. The heavier weight ones are warm enough to walk 5.5 km or so 
home from work with Patagonia light trail shoes in Winnipeg bitterly cold 
winters and arrive home with warm feet. Course, my feet get cold if I'm 
standing around waiting for a bus, but these are terrific socks, and 
they're really durable. And I just wash them and dry them with my other 
dark stuff and haven't had a problem
http://www.mec.ca/product/4016-465/defeet-woolie-boolie-sock-unisex/ 
 
Stay warm :)
 
Ryan in Winnipeg

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 12:33:40 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:

 A few years ago, Rivendell sold great short wool socks, made by Wilderness 
 Wear. 

 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/as4.htm 

 I bought five pairs. Some were pink, some were grey, all were just 
 wonderful socks. I wear them all year round. Alas, they are wearing 
 out. Rivendell no longer sells them, it looks like Wilderness Wear 
 doesn't even make them anymore, and anyway Wilderness Wear is in 
 Australia and I'm in California. 

 Does anyone know of another short wool sock that would be similar? 
 Lots of wool, not too much lycra? The Wilderness Wear sock has terry 
 loops in the inside, which makes them good for hiking too. The fashion 
 in wool socks nowadays is to make a tight lycra cuff at the top, which 
 I find uncomfortable. What short wool socks are working for you guys? 


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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Bikes Books and Hatchet Openig Party

2013-12-13 Thread Evan Baird
Bananas Flambe!

On Monday, December 2, 2013 10:24:52 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/68311761245/bike-book-hatchet-grand-opening

 Bringing my camp gear for an overnight afterwords. Thinking juniper 
 campgrounds. Anyone else up to ride 3000 ft of climbing in the dark?


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[RBW] Re: Style!

2013-12-13 Thread Evan Baird
I wish there was a Californian equivalent to 63xc.

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 3:49:03 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

2013-12-13 Thread Peter Morgano
I don't see the kickstand plate hating, seems really nitpicky. I mean, how
often do you actually look over your bikes to find the things you don't
like? I guess this keeps the custom frame builders in business so to each
their own.


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 My silver QB has a kickstand plate and mid-seatstay braze-ons (although I
 haven't used either yet). Take that, orange QB snobs!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

2013-12-13 Thread Christopher Chen
Ah, if someone wants something super custom I see it. I subscribe to the
view that the more options (within reason) the better, so I want the
kickstand (and fender mounting!) plate, and as many brazeons as I can get.

I love the idea of a Not-Dumb bike. Of course that's in the eye of the
beholder, isn't it?


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 I don't see the kickstand plate hating, seems really nitpicky. I mean, how
 often do you actually look over your bikes to find the things you don't
 like? I guess this keeps the custom frame builders in business so to each
 their own.


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 My silver QB has a kickstand plate and mid-seatstay braze-ons (although I
 haven't used either yet). Take that, orange QB snobs!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

2013-12-13 Thread Peter Morgano
I also want all the options they can tack on the bike, I mean, why not? I
never thought I would use those top of the fork mounts on the bombadil but
turns out it was a perfect place to mount my dyno light after going front
rackless due to wheel flop frustration.


On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:

 Ah, if someone wants something super custom I see it. I subscribe to the
 view that the more options (within reason) the better, so I want the
 kickstand (and fender mounting!) plate, and as many brazeons as I can get.

 I love the idea of a Not-Dumb bike. Of course that's in the eye of the
 beholder, isn't it?


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 uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote:

 I don't see the kickstand plate hating, seems really nitpicky. I mean,
 how often do you actually look over your bikes to find the things you don't
 like? I guess this keeps the custom frame builders in business so to each
 their own.


 On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Bryan bwedg...@gmail.com wrote:

 My silver QB has a kickstand plate and mid-seatstay braze-ons (although
 I haven't used either yet). Take that, orange QB snobs!

 Bryan

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[RBW] Re: Good compromise between a Marathon and a Hetre? Is it the Soma Xpress 650b?

2013-12-13 Thread NickBull
I've ridden the Soma B-lines, the version that has no flat protection, for 
about 1000 miles of randonneuring and then they went to my wife who has 
ridden them for probably about 2000 miles of commuting.  Between us we've 
had one flat (in the rain, of course).  They are a fine tire but definitely 
not as nice as Hetre's for long distance.

Nick

On Thursday, December 5, 2013 1:43:51 AM UTC-5, Michael wrote:

 A good halfway compromise between these two extremes, do ya think, for 
 those who know about this 650b stuff?
 Fast-ish, light-ish, puncture protected-ish?

 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/t106-10118.htm

 Is it the same tread as a Pasela?
 Pasela doesn't come in 650b, right?


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Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike gets the winter tires?

2013-12-13 Thread John Stowe
This is exactly what I encountered yesterday, Steve: Clear trails, except 
for pitted, rutted ice on the bridges by DCA. I made it through on my Sam 
Hillborne's 35mm Delta Cruisers, but it was pretty sketchy in the morning 
and required a bit of care and skill. By the time I returned in the evening 
there were clear paths melted through. When those spots under the bridges 
get black ice, they can be treacherous - just ask my wife, who was a very 
good sport the first time she rode to my place when we were dating!

My normal snow solution has been to use the aluminum CX bike (Trek XO1) 
that was my exclusive commuter, pre-Sam, with studded Kenda Klondikes 
(700x35). My theory was the opposite of NickBull's: because the roads clear 
up so fast, I got tires without spikes right down the middle, but the two 
rows do come into play right away as soon as the road or the bike tips a 
bit. They're still quite noisy on the asphalt. I haven't slipped on smooth 
ice with the Klondikes, just loose slippery snow and the occasional 
awkwardly frozen rut/footprint. When I'm on a trail and everything's 
covered in snow I ride just off to the side where there aren't any 
footprints. 

After I got my Sam Hillborne last year, I barely rode my Trek all winter 
unless I really needed the studs - having my Sam's dynamo lighting in the 
dark winter nights (I'm often riding from Alexandria to DC after 10pm, and 
had a 3am a couple of weeks ago) overrode any concerns about riding steel 
in the snow and salt. Unless Santa brings a dynamo hub for the Trek, It'll 
likely stay that way.

-John
(Capitol Hill)


On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:15:36 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 12/11/2013 01:51 PM, NickBull wrote: 
  Because what happens on the DC area bike paths (none of which are 
  plowed to my knowledge) is that during the day, the snow partially 
  melts, people ride on it sliding all over and leave ruts that veer 
  every which way (not to mention all the walkers with their 
  footprints).  Then overnight everything refreezes and those ruts are 
  like little icy Grand Canyons.  If your tires don't have enough studs 
  sticking out to the sides to catch on the sidewalls of the ruts then 
  they won't be able to climb out of the rut.  So then the tire has no 
  choice but to slide sideways down the rut while meanwhile your 
  momentum continues forward, making it hard to avoid going down. 

 Excellent description, lacking only one point: after the first couple of 
 days, the snow on the trails melts entirely in many places, leaving only 
 splotches of rutted ice except for areas always in shade or at bridges  
 overpasses.   In those areas -- for example, on the Mount Vernon trail 
 headed into DC, you can expect to find ice on the two overpasses at 
 National Airport and under the bridges crossing the Potomac into the 
 District -- the rutted ice can sometimes linger for a week or two.   
 Those areas all together may add up to one, or perhaps two tenths of a 
 mile on an 8 mile trip from Alexandria into the District. 





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[RBW] FS: Possibly off topic but not by too much: Classic Burberry trench.

2013-12-13 Thread Patrick Moore
On topic content: fine cotton and wool, made by loving craftsmen in
thatched workshops.

The Burberry's shell is made from thick, finely woven cotton with a silky,
not canvas feel, and it has the usual plaid cotton lining. The ice cream on
the pie is thick, button in body/arm liner and collar liners made from
camel's hair. It is a 42 regular. As new except for a very tiny moth divot
in the collar lining.

I paid $750 for it back in 1986 from the Burberry shop on Ct Avenue in WDC.
I used it for two years at bus stops, but since moving to NM it has hung in
closets for 25 years.

750 1986 dollars are worth 1,600 dollars or 53,000 rubles. *You* can have
it for only $300 (2013) plus the shipping from 87120, or 100,000 rubles.
Offers considered. Trades considered.

Will match, or perhaps be a consolation prize in place of, the new $450
Rivendell riding jacket.

Photos and measurements on request.

Patrick and wasn't *I* a dandy in my day Moore

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[RBW] 1983 Stumjumper-willing to part out

2013-12-13 Thread Peter Morgano
Hey all no serious offers so far on the whole package stumpjumper with no
shipping so will go to a different strategy. I am willing to part it out if
someone wants the frame, shifters, brakes and drive train only I can ship
them for fairly cheap. I can then sell the bosco bars and nitto technomic
delux separately as well. the wheels are the only item that costs a lot to
ship but if someone wants a set from a 92 MB2 message me and we will talk.
Thinking $300 for the frame, shifters, brakes and drive train. $50 for the
bosco bars and $40 for the stem. The only caveat is I cant part it out
until someone first buys the frame. Thanks for helping me get on better
with the wife who looks at the bike every day and says another @%ing
bike.

Again its a 1983, fully lugged with the biplane fork, 22 inch, I think the
biggest one they made that year. I bought it off a list member in perfect
condition, minus the usual collection of scrapes and installed a  Rivved
out-cockpit with Cromo 55cm Bosco Bars, 130mm Technomic Deluxe stem. I
changed out the cables to all Jagwire Hyper. I also swapped out the old
wheelset for a set I had from a 1992MB2. So now its a 7 speed, just had to
snug the 130mm wheel into the 128mm dropouts. Full deerhead components
Brake pads are like new, all wires replaced. Slapped on some Fat Franks for
around town riding. Standover with the fat franks is about 85cm.  TT is
58cm.

Link to pics

http://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/

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[RBW] Re: Style!

2013-12-13 Thread Garth

Hooray for knickers and knee high socks :)Style and function ! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Price change on my 83 Stump jumper

2013-12-13 Thread Garth

Oh heck ... lol  lol ... I had a hunch it was tomfoolery !Thanks for 
the laugh Peter ! 

I notice that Amazon allows the you-name-the-price follies too . seen 
the the price of some used books lately ?  Ahahahahahaha .. 

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[RBW] Defeet gloves: question

2013-12-13 Thread Patrick Moore
I see several models including this one, which is all synthetic.

http://www.competitivecyclist.com/defeet-duragloves?CMP_SKU=DFT000OMER=0406CMP_ID=DM_CRT012amv_pc=r350mr:referralID=a49dc3b6-642e-11e3-9f1f-001b2166becc

Should I limit my consideration to the wool models?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Price change on my 83 Stump jumper

2013-12-13 Thread Montclair BobbyB
... although seriously... Ritchey has mad skills with a brazing torch... 
That's one beautiful bike just saying

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:49:26 PM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:

 I prefer this listing for goofy ebay pricing examples.


 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tom-Ritchey-Custom-Road-Bike-/331020657069?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item4d125e61ad


  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Racing Sucks

2013-12-13 Thread Deacon Patrick
Ahh. Perhaps you've fallen prey to the Devil's best trick? Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:45:51 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  On 12/12/2013 06:44 PM, Mike wrote:
  


 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:34:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: 

  On 12/12/2013 11:57 AM, Edwin W wrote:
  
  

  I thought this (La plus belle des ruses du diable est de vous 
 persuader qu'il n'existe pas. ) was supposed to be the best trick.
  

  In the words of The Dude, Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your 
 opinion, man. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Price change on my 83 Stump jumper

2013-12-13 Thread Peter Morgano
No doubt about that, but that price is just silly times.


On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 ... although seriously... Ritchey has mad skills with a brazing torch...
 That's one beautiful bike just saying


 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:49:26 PM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:

 I prefer this listing for goofy ebay pricing examples.

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tom-Ritchey-Custom-Road-Bike-/
 331020657069?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item4d125e61ad


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Re: [RBW] Re: Racing Sucks

2013-12-13 Thread Peter Morgano
That riding carbon won't actually kill you?
On Dec 13, 2013 3:23 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 Ahh. Perhaps you've fallen prey to the Devil's best trick? Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:45:51 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  On 12/12/2013 06:44 PM, Mike wrote:



 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:34:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  On 12/12/2013 11:57 AM, Edwin W wrote:



  I thought this (La plus belle des ruses du diable est de vous
 persuader qu'il n'existe pas. ) was supposed to be the best trick.


  In the words of The Dude, Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like,
 your opinion, man.
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[RBW] Re: Style!

2013-12-13 Thread Philip Williamson
I wish there was still a 63xc equivalent to 63xc. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Friday, December 13, 2013 9:05:29 AM UTC-8, Evan Baird wrote:

 I wish there was a Californian equivalent to 63xc.

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 3:49:03 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/

 [image: Inline image 1]

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Re: [RBW] Re: Racing Sucks

2013-12-13 Thread Deacon Patrick
Och, Peter, you must be reading the French Dadaist translation. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, December 13, 2013 1:26:48 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 That riding carbon won't actually kill you? 
 On Dec 13, 2013 3:23 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Ahh. Perhaps you've fallen prey to the Devil's best trick? Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 8:45:51 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  On 12/12/2013 06:44 PM, Mike wrote:
  


 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:34:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: 

  On 12/12/2013 11:57 AM, Edwin W wrote:
  
  

  I thought this (La plus belle des ruses du diable est de vous 
 persuader qu'il n'existe pas. ) was supposed to be the best trick.
  

  In the words of The Dude, Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, 
 your opinion, man. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Racing Sucks

2013-12-13 Thread Montclair BobbyB

*...the guy who designed the bongs, farts, and chainsaws 
sticker might not be up to speed on his Baudelaire...*

How can you be so sure?  After all, was not one of Baudelaire's most famous 
works* Les pets du mal* ???



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  ;-)   !!

  

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 I'll go out on a limb and predict that the guy who designed the bongs, 
 farts, and chainsaws sticker *might* not be up to speed on his Baudelaire

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:34:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
  
 On 12/12/2013 11:57 AM, Edwin W wrote:
  
  Wheelies are the best trick ever invented. That�s just a fact.
  

 I thought this (�La plus belle des ruses du diable est de vous 
 persuader qu'il n'existe pas. ) was supposed to be the best trick.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Racing Sucks

2013-12-13 Thread Bill Lindsay
##mindblown##

I did say *might not be*.  I made no statement of certainty.  ;-P

On Friday, December 13, 2013 12:35:58 PM UTC-8, Montclair BobbyB wrote:


 *...the guy who designed the bongs, farts, and chainsaws 
 sticker might not be up to speed on his Baudelaire...*

 How can you be so sure?  After all, was not one of Baudelaire's most 
 famous works* Les pets du mal* ???



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  ;-)   !!

  

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 I'll go out on a limb and predict that the guy who designed the bongs, 
 farts, and chainsaws sticker *might* not be up to speed on his 
 Baudelaire

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:34:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
  
 On 12/12/2013 11:57 AM, Edwin W wrote:
  
  Wheelies are the best trick ever invented. That�s just a fact.
  

 I thought this (�La plus belle des ruses du diable est de vous 
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Re: [RBW] Wool socks

2013-12-13 Thread Frank Brose
+4 on the Darn Toughs
On Thursday, December 12, 2013 4:05:04 PM UTC-6, Michael Williams wrote: 

  +3 on the darn toughs,  theyre comfy and sturdy

 Sent from my iPhone

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  +1 on the Darn Toughs. Wonderful socks...

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 Darn Tough socks, made in Vermont. They are great and come with a 
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[RBW] Re: Wool Boreal Shirt (and other Bushcraft-inspired stuff)...

2013-12-13 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Wow, you must have one of the *early* versions... Mine has bungee and 
cord-locks, which although are practical and useful, I would prefer 
non-stretch paracord with perhaps a decorative slide/lock.

But hey, if I'm gonna become a serious survivalist/mountain man I guess I 
best learn my knots... Thanks!!!

BB

On Friday, December 13, 2013 10:30:12 AM UTC-5, Liesl wrote:

 BobbyB!  Most excellent report on your Boreal Shirt.  Yes, you will love 
 it for a long time.  The leather lacing is a fun place to adorn your shirt; 
 I assume yours is laced upsidedown as mine was/is meaning that the ends 
 of the laces come out of the bottom eyelets rather than the top eyelets.  
 Once I got used to it, this is a great one-handed design .  Anyway, you an 
 use a hearty trade bead with a big hole as a slider or make a decorative 
 knot.  A lanyard knot works really nicely and looks swellegant and sailorly.


 http://www.animatedknots.com/lanyard/index.php?Categ=decorativeLogoImage=LogoGrog.jpgWebsite=www.animatedknots.comhttp://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.animatedknots.com%2Flanyard%2Findex.php%3FCateg%3Ddecorative%26LogoImage%3DLogoGrog.jpg%26Website%3Dwww.animatedknots.comsa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNFfvmODS8RxQdIVcFf5RyGCYH4DGg

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[RBW] The Warhorse is being born!

2013-12-13 Thread Liesl
News Flash!  Mark Nobilette has started on my raffle-won custom Appaloosa 
frame.  Mark A. at Riv reports that it could ship to Joe Bell within a 
couple weeks.  One might imagine I'm getting giddy all over again.

the quick skinny to refresh your memory:
~50cm frame
Appaloosa style!
diagatube will be two small tubes mixte-style running to the mid stays
26'' rims
room for fenders and 55mm tires (this is no small feat with this size frame 
and the diagatubelettes)
schmidt dyno up front
canti brakes
khaki yellow/green color
moose boscos

, m, !

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[RBW] Re: Style!

2013-12-13 Thread Michael Hechmer
I live in a small town of about 2200 souls and am already considered quite 
odd.  I ride around on a bicycle, meditate, and encourage others to do it! 
 If I started wearing wool knickers, I'd be written off as totally bonkers.

Michael
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Re: [RBW] The Warhorse is being born!

2013-12-13 Thread Peter Morgano
I think I speak for a lot of us when I say the excitement of seeing this
bike ready to ride is palpable!
On Dec 13, 2013 4:18 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote:

 News Flash!  Mark Nobilette has started on my raffle-won custom Appaloosa
 frame.  Mark A. at Riv reports that it could ship to Joe Bell within a
 couple weeks.  One might imagine I'm getting giddy all over again.

 the quick skinny to refresh your memory:
 ~50cm frame
 Appaloosa style!
 diagatube will be two small tubes mixte-style running to the mid stays
 26'' rims
 room for fenders and 55mm tires (this is no small feat with this size
 frame and the diagatubelettes)
 schmidt dyno up front
 canti brakes
 khaki yellow/green color
 moose boscos

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Re: [RBW] FS: Possibly off topic but not by too much: Classic Burberry trench.

2013-12-13 Thread Steve Palincsar

On 12/13/2013 02:28 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
On topic content: fine cotton and wool, made by loving craftsmen in 
thatched workshops.


The Burberry's shell is made from thick, finely woven cotton with a 
silky, not canvas feel, and it has the usual plaid cotton lining. The 
ice cream on the pie is thick, button in body/arm liner and collar 
liners made from camel's hair. It is a 42 regular. As new except for a 
very tiny moth divot in the collar lining.


I paid $750 for it back in 1986 from the Burberry shop on Ct Avenue in 
WDC. I used it for two years at bus stops, but since moving to NM it 
has hung in closets for 25 years.


750 1986 dollars are worth 1,600 dollars or 53,000 rubles. *You* can 
have it for only $300 (2013) plus the shipping from 87120, or 100,000 
rubles. Offers considered. Trades considered.




I was just looking at the Burberry web site.  I have one like yours that 
dates from around 1985.  There's no current model that looks exactly 
like it, but the only full-length current choice is around $1600; to get 
an duplicate, with the button-in liners and the identical color you'd 
have to select Bespoke and pay around $2700.


This is one screaming deal!


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[RBW] Re: The Warhorse is being born!

2013-12-13 Thread Bill Lindsay
Breathe, Liesl, BREATHE! 

#billfaints 

On Friday, December 13, 2013 1:18:06 PM UTC-8, Liesl wrote:

 News Flash!  Mark Nobilette has started on my raffle-won custom Appaloosa 
 frame.  Mark A. at Riv reports that it could ship to Joe Bell within a 
 couple weeks.  One might imagine I'm getting giddy all over again.

 the quick skinny to refresh your memory:
 ~50cm frame
 Appaloosa style!
 diagatube will be two small tubes mixte-style running to the mid stays
 26'' rims
 room for fenders and 55mm tires (this is no small feat with this size 
 frame and the diagatubelettes)
 schmidt dyno up front
 canti brakes
 khaki yellow/green color
 moose boscos

 , m, !


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[RBW] Re: The Warhorse is being born!

2013-12-13 Thread Shoji Takahashi
Have the Marks send Warhorse to Boston for breaking/training I'll take 
good care of it for you and make sure it's safe to ride in the snow. :)

Happy and safe trip to you! How amazing-- go away with two Fridays and 
English Coats and return to a Warhorse.



On Friday, December 13, 2013 4:18:06 PM UTC-5, Liesl wrote:

 News Flash!  Mark Nobilette has started on my raffle-won custom Appaloosa 
 frame.  Mark A. at Riv reports that it could ship to Joe Bell within a 
 couple weeks.  One might imagine I'm getting giddy all over again.

 the quick skinny to refresh your memory:
 ~50cm frame
 Appaloosa style!
 diagatube will be two small tubes mixte-style running to the mid stays
 26'' rims
 room for fenders and 55mm tires (this is no small feat with this size 
 frame and the diagatubelettes)
 schmidt dyno up front
 canti brakes
 khaki yellow/green color
 moose boscos

 , m, !


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[RBW] Re: Style!

2013-12-13 Thread Deacon Patrick
What a wondrous mirror. I live in a wee town, 700 year-round souls. Doubles 
in summer with folks from Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma seeking relief, 
unless fires keep them away. I have no hair on top, an ever greying beard, 
I run and bike barefoot in shorts or breeches, generally wear the same 
looking clothing every day, my kids go barefoot as much as I do, I run 
trails and am often startled out of active contemplative prayer when 
someone is close (if I don't smell their laundry detergent from a mile away 
because of wind direction), I bike or walk to the post (when I go at all). 
Oh, and before I discovered breeches to be the least nerve-firing leg-wear, 
I always wore a kilt. And I say nutty stuff like May God startle you with 
joy! to folks I see. I was written off years ago by most in our town. 
Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, December 13, 2013 2:19:29 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:

 I live in a small town of about 2200 souls and am already considered quite 
 odd.  I ride around on a bicycle, meditate, and encourage others to do it! 
  If I started wearing wool knickers, I'd be written off as totally bonkers.

 Michael
 You are the universe becoming conscious of itself.

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:49:03 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/

 [image: Inline image 1]

 Almost too tweedy!

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[RBW] Re: Defeet gloves: question

2013-12-13 Thread Lynne Fitz
I have the wool ones.  For me, the fingers are a bit tight and too long. 
 Might shorten them up a bit; I have the skills and the equipment.  My 
favorite wool gloves are some old ones that are now threadbare, and 
brand-name free.  They've got sticky dots on the palms/fingers.  Might 
spend some time fixing them, too.

On Friday, December 13, 2013 11:59:06 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I see several models including this one, which is all synthetic.


 http://www.competitivecyclist.com/defeet-duragloves?CMP_SKU=DFT000OMER=0406CMP_ID=DM_CRT012amv_pc=r350mr:referralID=a49dc3b6-642e-11e3-9f1f-001b2166becc

 Should I limit my consideration to the wool models?

 Any suggestions about Handskins, or Duraglove wool?

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[RBW] FS: Possibly off topic but not by too much: Classic Burberry trench.

2013-12-13 Thread justinaugust
Pics and pit-to-pit measurements!
-J

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[RBW] Re: The Warhorse is being born!

2013-12-13 Thread dougP
A whole lotta love's going into that build.  We can't wait to see photos.

dougP

On Friday, December 13, 2013 1:18:06 PM UTC-8, Liesl wrote:

 News Flash!  Mark Nobilette has started on my raffle-won custom Appaloosa 
 frame.  Mark A. at Riv reports that it could ship to Joe Bell within a 
 couple weeks.  One might imagine I'm getting giddy all over again.

 the quick skinny to refresh your memory:
 ~50cm frame
 Appaloosa style!
 diagatube will be two small tubes mixte-style running to the mid stays
 26'' rims
 room for fenders and 55mm tires (this is no small feat with this size 
 frame and the diagatubelettes)
 schmidt dyno up front
 canti brakes
 khaki yellow/green color
 moose boscos

 , m, !


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[RBW] Re: The Warhorse is being born!

2013-12-13 Thread Deacon Patrick
Congratulations! Horse gestation is about one year, so depending on when 
conception was ...?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, December 13, 2013 2:18:06 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:

 News Flash!  Mark Nobilette has started on my raffle-won custom Appaloosa 
 frame.  Mark A. at Riv reports that it could ship to Joe Bell within a 
 couple weeks.  One might imagine I'm getting giddy all over again.

 the quick skinny to refresh your memory:
 ~50cm frame
 Appaloosa style!
 diagatube will be two small tubes mixte-style running to the mid stays
 26'' rims
 room for fenders and 55mm tires (this is no small feat with this size 
 frame and the diagatubelettes)
 schmidt dyno up front
 canti brakes
 khaki yellow/green color
 moose boscos

 , m, !


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[RBW] Re: Wool socks

2013-12-13 Thread fugd...@gmail.com
Thermohair socks are the best socks in the world. I've tried all the others

- Doug
On Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:33:40 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:

 A few years ago, Rivendell sold great short wool socks, made by Wilderness 
 Wear. 

 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/as4.htm 

 I bought five pairs. Some were pink, some were grey, all were just 
 wonderful socks. I wear them all year round. Alas, they are wearing 
 out. Rivendell no longer sells them, it looks like Wilderness Wear 
 doesn't even make them anymore, and anyway Wilderness Wear is in 
 Australia and I'm in California. 

 Does anyone know of another short wool sock that would be similar? 
 Lots of wool, not too much lycra? The Wilderness Wear sock has terry 
 loops in the inside, which makes them good for hiking too. The fashion 
 in wool socks nowadays is to make a tight lycra cuff at the top, which 
 I find uncomfortable. What short wool socks are working for you guys? 


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[RBW] Re: Surly-Riv-rivalry?

2013-12-13 Thread Evan


 We've enjoyed years of utility, transport, and just plain fun on Surly 
 and Rivendell bikes. The brands intersect, but collectively they stretch 
 the market in really meaningful ways. I have two kids who can work on their 
 machines, lock them properly, carry everything they require, ride them 
 safely and effectively on Seattle's streets, and who understand that 
 bicycles are fun and useful. That makes me happy.


Wow, Frank. Well said! 

  



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Re: [RBW] FS: Possibly off topic but not by too much: Classic Burberry trench.

2013-12-13 Thread Patrick Moore
Quick, before I take Steve's advice and raise the price to $1,350.

(Steve: I've paypal'd your bribe.)


On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On 12/13/2013 02:28 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:

 On topic content: fine cotton and wool, made by loving craftsmen in
 thatched workshops.

 The Burberry's shell is made from thick, finely woven cotton with a
 silky, not canvas feel, and it has the usual plaid cotton lining. The ice
 cream on the pie is thick, button in body/arm liner and collar liners made
 from camel's hair. It is a 42 regular. As new except for a very tiny moth
 divot in the collar lining.

 I paid $750 for it back in 1986 from the Burberry shop on Ct Avenue in
 WDC. I used it for two years at bus stops, but since moving to NM it has
 hung in closets for 25 years.

 750 1986 dollars are worth 1,600 dollars or 53,000 rubles. *You* can have
 it for only $300 (2013) plus the shipping from 87120, or 100,000 rubles.
 Offers considered. Trades considered.


 I was just looking at the Burberry web site.  I have one like yours that
 dates from around 1985.  There's no current model that looks exactly like
 it, but the only full-length current choice is around $1600; to get an
 duplicate, with the button-in liners and the identical color you'd have to
 select Bespoke and pay around $2700.

 This is one screaming deal!


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Re: [RBW] FS: Possibly off topic but not by too much: Classic Burberry trench.

2013-12-13 Thread Peter Morgano
Patrick, a friend of mine is interested if you still have it, can you send
over some pics?


On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 On topic content: fine cotton and wool, made by loving craftsmen in
 thatched workshops.

 The Burberry's shell is made from thick, finely woven cotton with a silky,
 not canvas feel, and it has the usual plaid cotton lining. The ice cream on
 the pie is thick, button in body/arm liner and collar liners made from
 camel's hair. It is a 42 regular. As new except for a very tiny moth divot
 in the collar lining.

 I paid $750 for it back in 1986 from the Burberry shop on Ct Avenue in
 WDC. I used it for two years at bus stops, but since moving to NM it has
 hung in closets for 25 years.

 750 1986 dollars are worth 1,600 dollars or 53,000 rubles. *You* can have
 it for only $300 (2013) plus the shipping from 87120, or 100,000 rubles.
 Offers considered. Trades considered.

 Will match, or perhaps be a consolation prize in place of, the new $450
 Rivendell riding jacket.

 Photos and measurements on request.

 Patrick and wasn't *I* a dandy in my day Moore

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Re: [RBW] Re: Defeet gloves: question

2013-12-13 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks, Lyne. Narrow and long are good for me because I like air pockets at
the ends. Review scuttlebutt says that the Defeets run big, so a M will
probably give me that extra room and still let me wear them under the
Sugois etc.

I will aim for the Duraglove wools.


On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Lynne Fitz fitzb...@comcast.net wrote:

 I have the wool ones.  For me, the fingers are a bit tight and too long.
  Might shorten them up a bit; I have the skills and the equipment.  My
 favorite wool gloves are some old ones that are now threadbare, and
 brand-name free.  They've got sticky dots on the palms/fingers.  Might
 spend some time fixing them, too.


 On Friday, December 13, 2013 11:59:06 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I see several models including this one, which is all synthetic.

 http://www.competitivecyclist.com/defeet-duragloves?CMP_SKU=
 DFT000OMER=0406CMP_ID=DM_CRT012amv_pc=r350mr:
 referralID=a49dc3b6-642e-11e3-9f1f-001b2166becc

 Should I limit my consideration to the wool models?

 Any suggestions about Handskins, or Duraglove wool?

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Re: [RBW] The Warhorse is being born!

2013-12-13 Thread Patrick Moore
MMM, MMM, MMM, indeed. What is the ETA?

May I make a forlorn suggestion that you consider Sage Green with Cream
trim?


On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote:

 News Flash!  Mark Nobilette has started on my raffle-won custom Appaloosa
 frame.  Mark A. at Riv reports that it could ship to Joe Bell within a
 couple weeks.  One might imagine I'm getting giddy all over again.

 the quick skinny to refresh your memory:
 ~50cm frame
 Appaloosa style!
 diagatube will be two small tubes mixte-style running to the mid stays
 26'' rims
 room for fenders and 55mm tires (this is no small feat with this size
 frame and the diagatubelettes)
 schmidt dyno up front
 canti brakes
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Re: [RBW] FS: Possibly off topic but not by too much: Classic Burberry trench.

2013-12-13 Thread Christopher Chen
Oh god you're going to try hiding the stumpjumper in the coat in the closet
aren't you

WELL PLAYED SIR
On Dec 13, 2013 3:38 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:

 Patrick, a friend of mine is interested if you still have it, can you send
 over some pics?


 On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.comwrote:

 On topic content: fine cotton and wool, made by loving craftsmen in
 thatched workshops.

 The Burberry's shell is made from thick, finely woven cotton with a
 silky, not canvas feel, and it has the usual plaid cotton lining. The ice
 cream on the pie is thick, button in body/arm liner and collar liners made
 from camel's hair. It is a 42 regular. As new except for a very tiny moth
 divot in the collar lining.

 I paid $750 for it back in 1986 from the Burberry shop on Ct Avenue in
 WDC. I used it for two years at bus stops, but since moving to NM it has
 hung in closets for 25 years.

 750 1986 dollars are worth 1,600 dollars or 53,000 rubles. *You* can have
 it for only $300 (2013) plus the shipping from 87120, or 100,000 rubles.
 Offers considered. Trades considered.

 Will match, or perhaps be a consolation prize in place of, the new $450
 Rivendell riding jacket.

 Photos and measurements on request.

 Patrick and wasn't *I* a dandy in my day Moore

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell SimpleBeam - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

2013-12-13 Thread cyclotourist
So there!

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 My silver QB has a kickstand plate and mid-seatstay braze-ons (although I
 haven't used either yet). Take that, orange QB snobs!

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Re: [RBW] FS: Possibly off topic but not by too much: Classic Burberry trench.

2013-12-13 Thread cyclotourist
I will trade you three (3) Rivendell water bottles for it. Each is
valued at $100.

On 12/13/13, Christopher Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote:
 Oh god you're going to try hiding the stumpjumper in the coat in the closet
 aren't you

 WELL PLAYED SIR
 On Dec 13, 2013 3:38 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:

 Patrick, a friend of mine is interested if you still have it, can you
 send
 over some pics?


 On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Patrick Moore
 bertin...@gmail.comwrote:

 On topic content: fine cotton and wool, made by loving craftsmen in
 thatched workshops.

 The Burberry's shell is made from thick, finely woven cotton with a
 silky, not canvas feel, and it has the usual plaid cotton lining. The
 ice
 cream on the pie is thick, button in body/arm liner and collar liners
 made
 from camel's hair. It is a 42 regular. As new except for a very tiny
 moth
 divot in the collar lining.

 I paid $750 for it back in 1986 from the Burberry shop on Ct Avenue in
 WDC. I used it for two years at bus stops, but since moving to NM it has
 hung in closets for 25 years.

 750 1986 dollars are worth 1,600 dollars or 53,000 rubles. *You* can
 have
 it for only $300 (2013) plus the shipping from 87120, or 100,000 rubles.
 Offers considered. Trades considered.

 Will match, or perhaps be a consolation prize in place of, the new $450
 Rivendell riding jacket.

 Photos and measurements on request.

 Patrick and wasn't *I* a dandy in my day Moore

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Re: [RBW] Style!

2013-12-13 Thread jimD
Michael,
Just get some Argyle knicker socks and all will be fine.   


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 I live in a small town of about 2200 souls and am already considered quite 
 odd.  I ride around on a bicycle, meditate, and encourage others to do it!  
 If I started wearing wool knickers, I'd be written off as totally bonkers.
 
 Michael
 You are the universe becoming conscious of itself.
 
 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:49:03 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
 http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/
 
 
 
 Almost too tweedy!
 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Possibly off topic but not by too much: Classic Burberry trench.

2013-12-13 Thread Deacon Patrick
Sure. Bait and switch from a 42 to a 48L! Except with my monkey, er, nordic 
arms it would not work. Plus I have no way to justify such suave for my 
ogre carcass. May whomever gets it have many years of fantastic use.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Price change on my 83 Stump jumper

2013-12-13 Thread Brian Campbell
I agree, this is mine. Less than 1/12 of what the ebay goof is asking.

http://s91.photobucket.com/user/bylar13/library/Ritchey?sort=2page=1


On Friday, December 13, 2013 3:22:22 PM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 ... although seriously... Ritchey has mad skills with a brazing torch... 
 That's one beautiful bike just saying

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:49:26 PM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:

 I prefer this listing for goofy ebay pricing examples.


 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tom-Ritchey-Custom-Road-Bike-/331020657069?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item4d125e61ad


  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Price change on my 83 Stump jumper

2013-12-13 Thread Peter Morgano
Those shore lines are incredibly beautiful.
On Dec 13, 2013 9:41 PM, Brian Campbell bdcampbel...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree, this is mine. Less than 1/12 of what the ebay goof is asking.

 http://s91.photobucket.com/user/bylar13/library/Ritchey?sort=2page=1


 On Friday, December 13, 2013 3:22:22 PM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 ... although seriously... Ritchey has mad skills with a brazing torch...
 That's one beautiful bike just saying

 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:49:26 PM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:

 I prefer this listing for goofy ebay pricing examples.

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tom-Ritchey-Custom-Road-Bike-/
 331020657069?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item4d125e61ad


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Re: [RBW] The Warhorse is being born!

2013-12-13 Thread Liesl


 MMM, MMM, MMM, indeed. What is the ETA?  februaryish.  My plan is to 
 make the pilgrimage to Riv and be a happy fly on the wall during the build.

 May I make a forlorn suggestion that you consider Sage Green with Cream 
 trim?  It'll be a cream headtube, and the green is really pretty good.  
 Yellow green as a poor description but it was in the 'yellow greens' 
 section of the paint book.  Lots of Rivsters came out to look at the color 
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[RBW] Re: Two Beautiful Months of Morning Coffee, Outside

2013-12-13 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt
Great set of pics. Wish my schedule let me get out for more of them, but 
happy to participate in the ones I can. Thanks for keeping the ball 
rolling. 

--Smitty


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 I've been really quiet about all the sunrise coffee rides because they're 
 pretty local and small, but I just realized I only started doing them for 
 two months, so I thought I'd share a photoset from all of them:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/sets/72157638618679355/

 Cheers, be warm, Just Ride,

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[RBW] Re: Two Beautiful Months of Morning Coffee, Outside

2013-12-13 Thread Deacon Patrick
Chris,

Your photos make me wonder what a sunrise coffee/tea club would look like 
in my wee town. No idea if I could do it, for all the scents and noise, but 
it has me pondering, and that is a good thing! Grin. Thank your or sharing 
the warmth!

With abandon,
Patrick

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 I've been really quiet about all the sunrise coffee rides because they're 
 pretty local and small, but I just realized I only started doing them for 
 two months, so I thought I'd share a photoset from all of them:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/sets/72157638618679355/http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Flumachrome%2Fsets%2F72157638618679355%2Fsa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNFVOFNG8X5Uw_ydBlMcew0L6YWPtQ

 Cheers, be warm, Just Ride,

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