[RBW] Re: Fuji Touring Series IV, Rivish Makeover, Phase 1

[Ron Mc]

nice ride - the honey leather goes very nicely with the gray paint and 
bronze panels.  

On Saturday, May 10, 2014 8:28:03 PM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Found this all-original 1983 Fuji Touring Series on eBay last year, and 
 have just finally gotten around to giving it a minor Rivish makeover.  I 
 wanted to leave it as original as possible, but I simply had to give it a 
 Brooks saddle, swap the narrow touring bars and down tube shifters for 
 wider bars (Noodle 48s with Dirt Drop stem) and bar-end shifters (vintage 
 Shimano, spring-loaded).  And although I would like to run fatter 
 tires, width choices for 27 inch rims are very limited.  The wheels are 
 beautiful, though (40-spoke rear, 36-spoke front) and I went with the 
 widest 27x 1 1/4 tire I could find - Panaracer Paselas... It rides 
 beautifully, so I will stick with the current setup for now (before 
 considering changing to 700c wheels)..

 I will add racks, bags and fenders next.  This ride quality of this bike 
 is exceptional.  BB 


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DTMTWUPHIvc/U27QAOqd2SI/Eng/iZn6_R8ewMM/s1600/14152477781_848afab047_b.jpg
  


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[RBW] Fuji Touring Series IV, Rivish Makeover, Phase 1

[WETH]

That looks terrific.  Well done. 

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Bagman expedition non-QR for Carradice Nelson Longflap

[Anton Tutter]

Shipping.  SJS is in UK, Calhoun in US.  Factoring in shipping to most US 
addresses, the price gap closes.

Anton


On Saturday, May 10, 2014 11:57:42 PM UTC-4, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:

 Just out of curiosity, why Calhoun and not SJS at something like half the 
 price?

 On Sunday, May 11, 2014 4:36:52 AM UTC+3, BSWP wrote:

 Yes, that's where I fond one - Calhoun. It came today, mounts fine, and 
 is exactly what I should have had on the LongLow lo these past fifteen 
 years. The bag is held steady, back away from my legs, and it brings the 
 lower lip of the opening up, so contents are less likely to spill out. 

 Between the Nelson on the back and the Shopsack up front, I'm set for the 
 week-long ride coming up in nine days.

 - Andrew, Berkeley

 On Thursday, May 8, 2014 12:20:33 PM UTC-7, LBleriot wrote:

 Calhoun Cycles has them in stock.



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Re: [RBW] Fuji Touring Series IV, Rivish Makeover, Phase 1

[Lee Chae]

Nice! I missed one on Craigslist for $200 (!) by an hour or so. I'm always
on the look out for one of these. Enjoy.

Lee
SF, CA


On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 5:42 AM, WETH erlhous...@gmail.com wrote:

 That looks terrific.  Well done.

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[RBW] Which 700C fenders fit Mafac Racers?

[Lee Chae]

Hey everyone. I'm thinking about adding some 700C Honjo fenders to a bike
outfitted with Mafac Racer brakes. Does anyone know for sure what width
fenders will fit through them?

Thanks all!
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[RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?

[Marc Irwin]

I'm still trying to understand how that would be a forward move.

Marc

On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:47:34 PM UTC-4, Tom Virgil wrote:

 If you are going to say I ride a Rivendell bicycle, I don't need an 
 automobile, God bless you.  Seriously.

 But, assuming that your obsessive, compulsive personality (I have one of 
 those) compels you to carry the threads of your pursuits to their extreme, 
 logical conclusions, I believe that there are some choices out there.  As 
 with our bicycles, they would not be obtained through standard outlets.

 Just my opinion, but I think that as an Atlantis, A. Homer Hilsen, or Sam 
 Hillborne owner, you might gravitate to this.


 http://bp3.blogger.com/_eMfw8PboF5U/Rzok9A9XD5I/B8g/3-_iCzTeypk/s1600/17_Big+Bertha_1.jpg

 Note that the owner has a beard (working on that for myself).  I heard 
 that the owner managed to convert the Seagrave fire truck engine to 
 propane, so perhaps that helps with fuel costs.

 There is really only one choice for the owner of a Hunqapillar.  The 
 Hummer would be much too yesterday's trendy.  To hades with the cost of 
 fuel or effort.  It must be a Dodge Power Wagon.

 http://moparplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dodge_power_wagon.jpg

 This bad boy will go anywhere you want, albeit with an unsynchonized 
 manual transmission.  Well, heck, we don't need no stinking SIS, do we?

 Betty Foy and Cheviot are more subtle.  They demonstrate a certain amount 
 of class and an attitude of nonchalance about girl's bike/boy's bike.  They 
 are nevertheless robust vehicles.  Not having one, my suggestion would be 
 the following.


 http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Dodge/54_Dodge_Power_Wagon_DV-06_BJ_09.jpg


 I can only imagine Vancouver librarians rolling up to the book 
 repositories (or straight through them, if desired) in Canadian state 
 issued editions of these contrivances.

 ~Tom







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[RBW] Re: Compass Barlow Pass tires

[Jan Heine]

Take this with a grain of salt, since we are the makers of these tires... 
but we only sell what we use, and we use our bikes hard. We've ridden these 
tires (and the similar Grand Bois Extra Légers) on gravel for many hundreds 
of miles, and they work very well. I put them on my son's bike, and he also 
hasn't had problems on some pretty rough terrain. Check out 

http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/02/12/a-winter-adventure/

and

http://janheine.wordpress.com/2013/10/07/riding-to-forest-road-6700/

On mud and snow, you'd want knobbies, and on big, sharp rocks, you need 
stiffer sidewalls that don't cut so easily, but everywhere else, I have no 
qualms riding these.

The one place they don't do well is highway shoulders with all the steel 
wires that accumulate there...

Best,

Jan Heine
Compass Bicycles Ltd.
www.compasscycle.com

Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/

On Saturday, May 10, 2014 3:11:27 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:


 I am debating getting a pair of the Barlow Pass tires for my long 
 meandoneering rides. What has folks' experience been with them on dirt 
 roads with loose gravel/sand? Also could someone compare and contrast the 
 ultralight casing with the standard casing?

 With abandon,
 Patrick 


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[RBW] Re: Seeking Bagman expedition non-QR for Carradice Nelson Longflap

[BSWP]

Shipping cost and time to deliver - I leave on a long ride next weekend, 
and wanted the rack here to test and install. I checked a half-dozen U.S. 
sites, and Calhoun was the first that had it in stock (the non-QR model).

Besides, I own two Rivendells... this is not an activity I pursue on the 
cheap.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Saturday, May 10, 2014 8:57:42 PM UTC-7, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:

 Just out of curiosity, why Calhoun and not SJS at something like half the 
 price?

 On Sunday, May 11, 2014 4:36:52 AM UTC+3, BSWP wrote:

 Yes, that's where I fond one - Calhoun. It came today, mounts fine, and 
 is exactly what I should have had on the LongLow lo these past fifteen 
 years. The bag is held steady, back away from my legs, and it brings the 
 lower lip of the opening up, so contents are less likely to spill out. 

 Between the Nelson on the back and the Shopsack up front, I'm set for the 
 week-long ride coming up in nine days.

 - Andrew, Berkeley

 On Thursday, May 8, 2014 12:20:33 PM UTC-7, LBleriot wrote:

 Calhoun Cycles has them in stock.



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[RBW] Re: Which 700C fenders fit Mafac Racers?

[Kieran J]

I don't know about Honjos, but I'm running 40mm Berthouds under a set of 
Racers. There is a couple of mm on either side of the fender, at the pivots.
Essentially a perfect fit.

KJ


On Sunday, May 11, 2014 10:13:32 AM UTC-4, LeeC wrote:

 Hey everyone. I'm thinking about adding some 700C Honjo fenders to a bike 
 outfitted with Mafac Racer brakes. Does anyone know for sure what width 
 fenders will fit through them?

 Thanks all!
 Lee


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Re: [RBW] Which 700C fenders fit Mafac Racers?

[Eric Norris]

I have a set of Planet Bike plastic fenders running with Mafac Racers. They fit 
my 700x32 tires with a little space to spare. No problem with brake clearance 
at all.

Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

 On May 11, 2014, at 7:13 AM, Lee Chae leec...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey everyone. I'm thinking about adding some 700C Honjo fenders to a bike 
 outfitted with Mafac Racer brakes. Does anyone know for sure what width 
 fenders will fit through them?
 
 Thanks all!
 Lee
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Re: [RBW] Discovering Freedom in Fewer Gears

[Eric Norris]

I rode the Davis Double Century workers ride yesterday on Patrick M's former 
Motobecane, equipped with a three-speed hub. Only used the top two gears. My 
legs today don't feel any worse than they would if I had used a traditional 
multi-speed bike. 

Eric N
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 On May 10, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
 
 On today’s single track ride I used exactly two gears, shifting four times 
 for terrain going either up or down. What an amazing flow to the ride! 
 Contemplation is so easy to enter into, and that’s still with a derailure. I 
 am excited to see what no derailure brings to the party!
 
 I understand now why the explanations of why people love to ride mountain 
 trails single speed always fail to answer the question of why they love it 
 so. It is transcendent, wild, free and unable to be captured or contained in 
 words. It has a flow and rhythm that melt into the wind breathing through the 
 trees and the sound of tires on loose gravel and my breathing and all the 
 clay over which I ride.
 
 The “Wow!” continues. Grin.
 Though these pictures are poor at conveying it: 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157644198250827/
 
 With abandon,
 Patrick
 
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 www.OurHolyConception.org
 
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[RBW] FS, large Atlantis, Rambouillet, Quickbeam, all extra parts, one buyer take all, Michigan

[dkgr...@me.com]

I have 3 Rivendells, all large 60/61 ish, bought back around 2003 or so.  
Atlantis, Phil BB and wheels, Rambouillet with Phil Wheels and BB.  Quickbeam 
with Schmidt dnyo front hub.  All well used not nearly perfect but fully 
serviceable.  Atlantis and Quickbeam have Bullmoose bars installed.  
Rambouillet has Nitto priest type bars.  Boxes of extra bars and stems 
included, mustache, drop, priest, etc.  extra cranks, shifters, derailers, 
brake parts, tape, nuts, bolts, sprockets, freewheels,  cassettes, tools 
(headset and BB facing and press) etc  Forgot about the huge box of Pedals, 
and brand new old school Dura Ace cranks.

Life has gotten too busy and we are now living next to a large park with 
awesome technical trails.  I have gone to the Dark side and bought a  Mountain 
bike and want to focus on getting better with that. I need the clutter gone, 
and would prefer if somebody showed up with a pickup truck, handed me a check 
and took all the stuff away. I do not want to itemize, photograph, list, 
explain, answer questions. 

I will photograph the bikes and post those later this weekend. I will not 
answer a bunch of questions, simply not enough time.  For $2250 somebody can 
have all this stuff and open a Rivendell shop in their basement or spend the 
time to flip these things on ebay.

Located in Shelby Township (North East Suburb of Detroit, also near Windsor and 
Sarnia Ontario.

Thank you!

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride - Kindle Version - One Sale

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Thanks for the reminder - I've been wanting to have a digital version on 
hand so I can share passages with folks a bit more easily!

- Jim

On Friday, May 9, 2014 3:32:25 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 FYI, this was on the blug, but if you haven't seen it, the Kindle version 
 of Just Ride is on sale: 
 http://www.amazon.com/Just-Ride-Radically-Practical-Riding/dp/0761155589

 Pretty good investment of $2.51!


 Cheers,
 David

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet as gofast?

[Michael Hechmer]

After about 5 years of riding a more or less stock ram I converted mine to 
a more dedicated go fast, not necessarily a racing bike but one designed to 
at least produce the feeling of speed.  I swapped out the Sugino triple for 
a White VBC with  44/30 rings and an 11/28 9speed cassette, this allowed me 
to use the much faster Ultegra RD 6700. I replaced the bar ends with DTs. 
This has given me the best and fastest shifting bike I have ever owned. 
 Good range and closely spaced gears.  I Had a pair of 23 mm continentals, 
complements of my son, but soon swapped them for the light weight compass 
29 mm tires.  I took off the front rack but kept the fenders.  I had a very 
nice light weight silver American Flyer seat post and  got a good price on 
a surplus Terry Ti saddle in White.  I soon went back to my Selle 
Anatomica.  I thought about removing the hammered honjos but decided 
against it.  I love the way this bike rides.  I have a saluki with racks, 
fenders, and 650 x 38 Pari Moto tires for when I want to ride dirt roads or 
carry more than a rain jacket.  I'll have to look for pictures but I think 
you get the idea.  I think it's about 22 lbs, not too much for a 62cm 
frame.  Oh yea, white hubs and light weight 32 spoke mavic rims.  

Michael


On Saturday, May 10, 2014 5:01:53 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Has anyone hot rodded his-er-her Ram? Can I see photos?

 This is just idle curiosity, but I sometimes daydream of stripping the Ram 
 of Fly, SP dynohub, lights, installing a light wheelset, and seeing what 
 happens.

 OTOH, there is this (entry for May 9):

 http://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com/

 This morning I removed the Phil 115 mm bb pursuant to trading it with 
 stockist extraordinaire Ryan Watson, sometime of this list, for a ditto 
 103, this in turn pursuant to installing the very nice 7410 cranks I scored 
 for $65 on the boblist. Not that there is any practical reason to switch to 
 a 53/39 DA crank from the already nice 44/30 TA, except that one must 
 maintain the integrity of the grouppo.

 (I'll switch the spacer-13-14-15-16-17-18-20-23-spacer cassette to a 
 16-17-18-19-20-21-23-26, which will give me about the same range and even 
 smaller jumps.)

 Patrick group integrity, aka vanity, trumps practicality Moore

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[RBW] Re: Fuji Touring Series IV, Rivish Makeover, Phase 1

[Reid]

Nice! I still have a Nishiki Grand Tour 15 that I bought new in 1982 
during the small craze for touring bikes. I don't know if the Japanese 
bikes had real touring geometry or not, but my Nishiki is still the most 
comfortable bike I have. Still mostly stock, except for a 6 cog freewheel 
on the back instead of 5 cog. Now it's a Grand Tour 18, I guess. :-) 
 
Back then, the triple chainrings were incomprehensible by the racer 
wannabees. I actually did some multi week touring on mine and man, I 
appreciated the triple.
 
Reid
 

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[RBW] Re: Fuji Touring Series IV, Rivish Makeover, Phase 1

[Anton Tutter]

What a gorgeous Touring Series IV!!  I'm not a huge fan of the 'concealed' 
bar-end cable routing, but a really nice specimen overall.  

On Saturday, May 10, 2014 9:28:03 PM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Found this all-original 1983 Fuji Touring Series on eBay last year, and 
 have just finally gotten around to giving it a minor Rivish makeover.  I 
 wanted to leave it as original as possible, but I simply had to give it a 
 Brooks saddle, swap the narrow touring bars and down tube shifters for 
 wider bars (Noodle 48s with Dirt Drop stem) and bar-end shifters (vintage 
 Shimano, spring-loaded).  And although I would like to run fatter 
 tires, width choices for 27 inch rims are very limited.  The wheels are 
 beautiful, though (40-spoke rear, 36-spoke front) and I went with the 
 widest 27x 1 1/4 tire I could find - Panaracer Paselas... It rides 
 beautifully, so I will stick with the current setup for now (before 
 considering changing to 700c wheels)..

 I will add racks, bags and fenders next.  This ride quality of this bike 
 is exceptional.  BB 


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DTMTWUPHIvc/U27QAOqd2SI/Eng/iZn6_R8ewMM/s1600/14152477781_848afab047_b.jpg
  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Fuji Touring Series IV, Rivish Makeover, Phase 1

[Joe Bunik]

Anton, why not? For friction it makes little difference in function
and greatly reduces bag interference issues.

Bobby, how you like those shifters? Do they compete well with the
ratchet and Retrofriction designs?

=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA


On 5/11/14, Anton Tutter atut...@gmail.com wrote:
 What a gorgeous Touring Series IV!!  I'm not a huge fan of the 'concealed'
 bar-end cable routing, but a really nice specimen overall.

 On Saturday, May 10, 2014 9:28:03 PM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Found this all-original 1983 Fuji Touring Series on eBay last year, and
 have just finally gotten around to giving it a minor Rivish makeover.  I
 wanted to leave it as original as possible, but I simply had to give it a

 Brooks saddle, swap the narrow touring bars and down tube shifters for
 wider bars (Noodle 48s with Dirt Drop stem) and bar-end shifters (vintage

 Shimano, spring-loaded).  And although I would like to run fatter
 tires, width choices for 27 inch rims are very limited.  The wheels are
 beautiful, though (40-spoke rear, 36-spoke front) and I went with the
 widest 27x 1 1/4 tire I could find - Panaracer Paselas... It rides
 beautifully, so I will stick with the current setup for now (before
 considering changing to 700c wheels)..

 I will add racks, bags and fenders next.  This ride quality of this bike
 is exceptional.  BB


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DTMTWUPHIvc/U27QAOqd2SI/Eng/iZn6_R8ewMM/s1600/14152477781_848afab047_b.jpg



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[RBW] Re: Compass Barlow Pass tires

[Philip Williamson]

Re: stiff wires on highway shoulders. I have one bike set up tubeless (2.2 120 
tpi), and one with Tire Savers (C-lines), and my number of flats went to zero 
from many. The one flat I've gotten in the last several months is from when I 
changed gears mid-ride on my fixed gear, and didn't readjust the tire saver to 
match the new axle position. It didn't ride on the tire, and the next day I 
found a flat tire and a little wire.

Do you find tire savers help protect against wire flats on the Barlow Pass 
tires?

Philip
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[RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?

[Tonester]

My Atlantis' support 
vehiclehttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-gjqdC3nJE2I/U2-x207HQfI/Ctw/uFjgzJGd_v0/s1600/IMG_1094.JPG


On Sunday, May 11, 2014 7:28:30 AM UTC-7, Marc Irwin wrote:

 I'm still trying to understand how that would be a forward move.

 Marc

 On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:47:34 PM UTC-4, Tom Virgil wrote:

 If you are going to say I ride a Rivendell bicycle, I don't need an 
 automobile, God bless you.  Seriously.

 But, assuming that your obsessive, compulsive personality (I have one of 
 those) compels you to carry the threads of your pursuits to their extreme, 
 logical conclusions, I believe that there are some choices out there.  As 
 with our bicycles, they would not be obtained through standard outlets.

 Just my opinion, but I think that as an Atlantis, A. Homer Hilsen, or Sam 
 Hillborne owner, you might gravitate to this.


 http://bp3.blogger.com/_eMfw8PboF5U/Rzok9A9XD5I/B8g/3-_iCzTeypk/s1600/17_Big+Bertha_1.jpg

 Note that the owner has a beard (working on that for myself).  I heard 
 that the owner managed to convert the Seagrave fire truck engine to 
 propane, so perhaps that helps with fuel costs.

 There is really only one choice for the owner of a Hunqapillar.  The 
 Hummer would be much too yesterday's trendy.  To hades with the cost of 
 fuel or effort.  It must be a Dodge Power Wagon.

 http://moparplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dodge_power_wagon.jpg

 This bad boy will go anywhere you want, albeit with an unsynchonized 
 manual transmission.  Well, heck, we don't need no stinking SIS, do we?

 Betty Foy and Cheviot are more subtle.  They demonstrate a certain amount 
 of class and an attitude of nonchalance about girl's bike/boy's bike.  They 
 are nevertheless robust vehicles.  Not having one, my suggestion would be 
 the following.


 http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Dodge/54_Dodge_Power_Wagon_DV-06_BJ_09.jpg


 I can only imagine Vancouver librarians rolling up to the book 
 repositories (or straight through them, if desired) in Canadian state 
 issued editions of these contrivances.

 ~Tom







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[RBW] Re: Discovering Freedom in Fewer Gears

[Garth]

Well, today I rode my typical roller coaster terrain with just one gear, a 
36/17.  I have 14 on that particular bike(Franklin 531 custom sport/touring 
frame), but just didn't shift.  I had no idea how I would get up, or not, 
the short and very steep rollers  . . .  but I did.  Prolly  20 rpm and 
standing up those short hills , but you know, it was fun :) !!The funny 
thing was, I never got out of breath like when I was spinning a small gear. 
It was faster than walking, but in a wonderful way, quite serene. 

 Could I ride up our mile long steep hills like this ?  Maybe not tomorrow, 
but I can surely see it happening :)   

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[RBW] Re: Fuji Touring Series IV, Rivish Makeover, Phase 1

[RoadieRyan]

Bobby, 

Sweet find, I restored a 1979 Fuji Royale and really enjoyed it.  You may 
find that there are more 27 tires options that you think, I did a blog 
post on this topic a while back 
(http://ryansrebuilds.blogspot.com/2013/02/myth-busted-there-are-very-few-options.html)
 
I think the Paselas are a great choice and your 27 1 /4 tires are the 
equivalent of a 700x32c, you can also go up to 27 1 3/8 to get a slightly 
plusher 700x37c equivalent.  Either way you go enjoy that beautiful Fuji.

Ryan

On Saturday, May 10, 2014 6:28:03 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Found this all-original 1983 Fuji Touring Series on eBay last year, and 
 have just finally gotten around to giving it a minor Rivish makeover.  I 
 wanted to leave it as original as possible, but I simply had to give it a 
 Brooks saddle, swap the narrow touring bars and down tube shifters for 
 wider bars (Noodle 48s with Dirt Drop stem) and bar-end shifters (vintage 
 Shimano, spring-loaded).  And although I would like to run fatter 
 tires, width choices for 27 inch rims are very limited.  The wheels are 
 beautiful, though (40-spoke rear, 36-spoke front) and I went with the 
 widest 27x 1 1/4 tire I could find - Panaracer Paselas... It rides 
 beautifully, so I will stick with the current setup for now (before 
 considering changing to 700c wheels)..

 I will add racks, bags and fenders next.  This ride quality of this bike 
 is exceptional.  BB 


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DTMTWUPHIvc/U27QAOqd2SI/Eng/iZn6_R8ewMM/s1600/14152477781_848afab047_b.jpg
  


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[RBW] Re: Discovering Freedom in Fewer Gears

[Deacon Patrick]

Garth, I've been very (and pleasantly) surprised what I can ride up when I 
just point my bike and am daft enough to go up hill. There is a very 
different rhythm to long term standing pedaling than spinning or pushing 
the pedals while sitting. I nose breathe exclusively, and if I reach the 
point I have to mouth breath, it's time for LCG (lowest common gear, aka 
walking). That has not happened at all on paved or dirt roads, and only a 
few times on trails. But I've found that if I just relax everything except 
the one muscle I need at that moment and enter the flow of standing while 
pedaling, I can go up some amazing stuff in a far higher gear than I'd 
previously thought possible. And I keep getting stronger, starting 
immediately. Amazing.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 11:37:36 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:

 Well, today I rode my typical roller coaster terrain with just one gear, a 
 36/17.  I have 14 on that particular bike(Franklin 531 custom sport/touring 
 frame), but just didn't shift.  I had no idea how I would get up, or not, 
 the short and very steep rollers  . . .  but I did.  Prolly  20 rpm and 
 standing up those short hills , but you know, it was fun :) !!The funny 
 thing was, I never got out of breath like when I was spinning a small gear. 
 It was faster than walking, but in a wonderful way, quite serene. 

  Could I ride up our mile long steep hills like this ?  Maybe not 
 tomorrow, but I can surely see it happening :)   


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[RBW] Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

[Michael]

Assuming the 1-manpower engine stays the same.

From time to time I think of shaving weight off bikes and I wonder if it 
really matters for a non-racer person like me who could stand to lose 25 
lbs.
I think if I lost the weight it would be much easier to turn the cranks 
than if I shaved 4 lbs. off the bike.

But I am not sure how these mechanical things work, so I was wondering.

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[RBW] Re: Discovering Freedom in Fewer Gears

[Michael]

 I can't imagine riding up hills, not to mention single track with a single 
 speed.

You guys must have knees of iron. 

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[RBW] Re: Discovering Freedom in Fewer Gears

[Michael]

 Congrats to Ed on the 2Xcentury ride!!

Incredible! 

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[RBW] Re: Discovering Freedom in Fewer Gears

[Michael]

 Congrats to Eric on the 2X Century ride!

Amazing!! 

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[RBW] Re: Fuji Touring Series IV, Rivish Makeover, Phase 1

['Jack' via RBW Owners Bunch]

When I first started riding back in the mid-80s, there were a lot of these 
(along with the Fuji Series III, II and I) around. Touring bikes were 
still mainstream then - gradually they fell out of favor with many riders 
as mountain bikes took over. Today there are more choices in touring bikes 
than there were 15 years ago, but the older ones like yours have more charm 
and appeal for me. 

I love what you've done with this bike! Thanks for sharing it with us.

On Saturday, May 10, 2014 9:28:03 PM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Found this all-original 1983 Fuji Touring Series on eBay last year, and 
 have just finally gotten around to giving it a minor Rivish makeover.  I 
 wanted to leave it as original as possible, but I simply had to give it a 
 Brooks saddle, swap the narrow touring bars and down tube shifters for 
 wider bars (Noodle 48s with Dirt Drop stem) and bar-end shifters (vintage 
 Shimano, spring-loaded).  And although I would like to run fatter 
 tires, width choices for 27 inch rims are very limited.  The wheels are 
 beautiful, though (40-spoke rear, 36-spoke front) and I went with the 
 widest 27x 1 1/4 tire I could find - Panaracer Paselas... It rides 
 beautifully, so I will stick with the current setup for now (before 
 considering changing to 700c wheels)..

 I will add racks, bags and fenders next.  This ride quality of this bike 
 is exceptional.  BB 


 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DTMTWUPHIvc/U27QAOqd2SI/Eng/iZn6_R8ewMM/s1600/14152477781_848afab047_b.jpg
  


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[RBW] Re: Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

[Deacon Patrick]

Rework the engine. It's far cheaper and better for your health.

I used to weigh nearly 300 pounds. I now weigh 190. I'm now on a full time 
ketogenic diet (high fat, very low carb). I can ride all day without food 
and far less water (processing carbs takes a LOT of water). I'm riding 
string, better, and farther than ever and feeling far better doing it. No 
muscle soreness after long rides (that's a ketogenic thing apparently). 

Of course, I'm doing the go light thing as well, so it needn't be 
exclusive. But I focused on the engine first and am delighted.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 12:31:59 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:

 Assuming the 1-manpower engine stays the same.

 From time to time I think of shaving weight off bikes and I wonder if it 
 really matters for a non-racer person like me who could stand to lose 25 
 lbs.
 I think if I lost the weight it would be much easier to turn the cranks 
 than if I shaved 4 lbs. off the bike.

 But I am not sure how these mechanical things work, so I was wondering.


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[RBW] Re: Discovering Freedom in Fewer Gears

[Philip Williamson]

Standing doesn't seem to bother my knees. I only get slight knee soreness from 
pushing multigear bikes hard enough to keep up with others. Cranking a fixed 
large gear up a hill is mostly body weight, pulling on the bars, and 
maintaining momentum. I ride flat pedals, so I'm not pulling up with my back 
leg, either. I could eke out a little extra speed or distance before walking 
when I was clipped in, but it's not worth the hassle. 
The difficulty of singlespeeding is vastly overrated. Work is work. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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[RBW] Re: Discovering Freedom in Fewer Gears

[Garth]

Yes Patrick, yes !  A completely different rhythm .  I must say, I found 
the ride most calming really .  Either I can pedal , or I coast  
period.  It's rather nice coasting down a hill, rather than trying to go 
faster .  

  I've been wondering what to do with the Bombadil since a crank arm 
cracked last year . single speed it is !   For now, as I have many Sun 
Tour 6,7 sp. FW's, is to see which ones have a 17t in about the 3rd 
position .   No sense in investing in a new rear wheel until I'm sure of 
what exactly I want . 

  Like you, I was thinking of getting some fast and light wide tires like 
the Barlow Pass .   I was considering the Vittoria Rando Hypers in a  40 
also, it's kind of a toss up right now.  

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Re: [RBW] Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

[Patrick Moore]

The weight you carry may be your own, to praraphrase the title of a
Flannery O'Connor story. Weight is weight, except I think for wheel weight
when climbing. At any rate, climbing, in a higher gear no less, has
consistently -- more than a decade -- seemed easier on my lightest bike
with 190 gram tires than on other bikes. All my road bikes are set up with
very much the same saddle to cranks and saddle to bar position. But there
is the  other still large variable of tire quality.

My own take is not to obsess about bike weight (my daydream of lightening
the Ram notwithstanding) but to remove it from the bike when affordable
opportunity serves and when this does not conflict with other, more
important things like pretty parts (Phil Wood hubs are not light).

Me, I could stand to lose 15 lb or so, which would take me back to my
college graduation weight of 155 (long torso'd 5'10), but I don't obsess
about that, either.


On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Assuming the 1-manpower engine stays the same.

 From time to time I think of shaving weight off bikes and I wonder if it
 really matters for a non-racer person like me who could stand to lose 25
 lbs.
 I think if I lost the weight it would be much easier to turn the cranks
 than if I shaved 4 lbs. off the bike.

 But I am not sure how these mechanical things work, so I was wondering.

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[RBW] Re: Discovering Freedom in Fewer Gears

[Michael]

 It does sound fun to ride without shifting.


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Re: [RBW] Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/11/2014 03:38 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
The weight you carry may be your own, to praraphrase the title of a 
Flannery O'Connor story. Weight is weight, except I think for wheel 
weight when climbing.


And that's not weight?



On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com 
mailto:john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

Assuming the 1-manpower engine stays the same.

From time to time I think of shaving weight off bikes and I wonder if 
it really matters for a non-racer person like me who could stand to 
lose 25 lbs.
I think if I lost the weight it would be much easier to turn the 
cranks than if I shaved 4 lbs. off the bike.




I think if you shaved 25 lb off the 1-manpower engine it would be better 
than six times as effective as if you shaved it off the bike.  And a 
hell of a lot cheaper, too.




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[RBW] Re: Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

[IanA]

It's not just weight - it's a ratio of power to weight.  If a person is 
20lb over-weight, the knock-on of such a condition is often (not always) 
carrying the weight in the form of fat at the same time as lacking muscle 
and strength.  I hover between 155lb and 175lb, but I only hit 155lb after 
a tremendous amount of exercise and the times I've been at that weight in 
the last few years have correlated with my body in its strongest form. 
 I've no doubt that I'm significantly faster in that condition.  Nowadays I 
work a lot of six day weeks and am lacking muscle - as a result, and 
conversely perhaps, I'm sure I'm more sensitive to a difference in bike 
weight, as I'm having to work harder anyway.

I suppose it could be argued that a body-builder with a minuscule 
percentage of body-fat could be considered over-weight, but their strength 
to weight ratio would be very high.  So, there are just too many variables 
to draw a straight conclusion. 

Of course, a bike that one perceives as light and fast and enjoyable to 
ride helps to motivate a person to find the same efficiency in their own 
form.  In short, one wants to go for a ride! The weight of a bicycle is 
only one component in the overall efficiency of the machine (aerodynamics, 
rolling resistance etc.) and the weight of the rider is only one component 
in the overall efficiency of the human being (strength, height, endurance, 
comfort etc.).

IanA.



On Sunday, May 11, 2014 12:31:59 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:

 Assuming the 1-manpower engine stays the same.

 From time to time I think of shaving weight off bikes and I wonder if it 
 really matters for a non-racer person like me who could stand to lose 25 
 lbs.
 I think if I lost the weight it would be much easier to turn the cranks 
 than if I shaved 4 lbs. off the bike.

 But I am not sure how these mechanical things work, so I was wondering.


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Re: [RBW] Discovering Freedom in Fewer Gears

[Patrick Moore]

Taking Eric's experience as anything except a huge outlier is to doom
oneself to despair. This is a guy who (IIRC) climbed the Rockies in an 80
gear.

On a much smaller scale -- cottage industry versus multinational, so to
speak -- I had two quite diverse ss experiences this weekend. Yesterday,
cruising along with a tailwind in the 75 gofast I was passed by an older
man -- perhaps mid 50s -- on the usual racing bike. He pulled very slowly
past me but didn't look at me or say a word. That, as much as being passed,
annoyed me so for the next 5 miles I paced him until I had to turn off
toward Rio Rancho (I turned off and, immediately I was out of sight, I fell
off the bike and puked my lungs out. Just kidding.) He was riding in his
big/small on the flat -- it looked like a 50/13 or so (I talked with him
briefly; he had no idea what his gears were) -- and occasionally he'd stand
and sprint. I was spinning fast in the 75, but I found I could easily whip
up the r's pm and outaccelerate him while seated, so that I needed to brake
to avoid running him over.

The point of that anecdote is not my being a jerk so much as how fun it was
to suddenly apply seated torque and very quickly spin the bike up another
5-8 mph.

Just now, coming back, headed northwest, from church up the mesa to Rio
Rancho, I faced a west-facing climb of several hundred feet in half a mile
followed by 2-3 miles of gradual climbing to the west and then to the
north. The wind was turning from the south to the west and gusting to 30,
and I was on the 70 fixed. I can tell you that climbing a steep hill
*against* a stiff wind in a single middle range gear is far, far harder
than climbing the same hill with a stiff tailwind.

Another cyclist, on the usual carbon fiber blah blah blah passed me going
downhill as I was grunting up the steep part at 30 rpm, then passed me
again uphill as I was pushing the bike for the final 2/10 mile, then passed
me again back down. He called out cheerfully, I brought the right gear
and I laughed.

At any rate, my knees survived, but I've learned to stand for longish
periods to save my left knee in particular, which has been more sensitive
ever since I started climbing hills at altitude in a big gear as a 15 year
old.

Your oxygen processing physiology adapts to your pedaling style. I can
stand for a mile on a steepish hill with no problem (MLK from Broadway to
University) but sitting and trying to spin a small gear up a long hill
quickly has me gasping.


On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote:

 I rode the Davis Double Century workers ride yesterday on Patrick M's
 former Motobecane, equipped with a three-speed hub. Only used the top two
 gears. My legs today don't feel any worse than they would if I had used a
 traditional multi-speed bike.

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 On May 10, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 On today’s single track ride I used exactly two gears, shifting four times
 for terrain going either up or down. What an amazing flow to the ride!
 Contemplation is so easy to enter into, and that’s still with a derailure.
 I am excited to see what no derailure brings to the party!

 I understand now why the explanations of why people love to ride mountain
 trails single speed always fail to answer the question of why they love it
 so. It is transcendent, wild, free and unable to be captured or contained
 in words. It has a flow and rhythm that melt into the wind breathing
 through the trees and the sound of tires on loose gravel and my breathing
 and all the clay over which I ride.

 The “Wow!” continues. Grin.
 Though these pictures are poor at conveying it:
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157644198250827/

 With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Discovering Freedom in Fewer Gears

[Patrick Moore]

For me the fun comes from having to adapt and pace yourself to conditions,
rather than modifying conditions, to some extent, by different ratios. It's
half skill at anticipating, knowing your limits, and pacing yourself so
that you don't fall over and die half way up a steep hill, and half just
the ego-inflating fun of beating a hill or a wind without conceding
anything by gearing down.

To these two halves, you add another quarter or so that comes from the pure
simplicity of it all. 125% pure fun!




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 It does sound fun to ride without shifting.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet as gofast?

[Patrick Moore]

Mike -- you have me daydreaming again. Please do post photos.

Though ... thinking about the easy removals -- rack, lights, dynohub, bell,
full size pump -- I come up with about 3 lb, which has me thinking again
that it would be mostly a styling exercise instead of a performance
exercise.

I suppose I could convert it into a fixed gear and
saw/dremel/file/twist/beat off the various unecessary braze ons ... nah!


On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.comwrote:

 After about 5 years of riding a more or less stock ram I converted mine to
 a more dedicated go fast, not necessarily a racing bike but one designed to
 at least produce the feeling of speed.  I swapped out the Sugino triple for
 a White VBC with  44/30 rings and an 11/28 9speed cassette, this allowed me
 to use the much faster Ultegra RD 6700. I replaced the bar ends with DTs.
 This has given me the best and fastest shifting bike I have ever owned.
  Good range and closely spaced gears.  I Had a pair of 23 mm continentals,
 complements of my son, but soon swapped them for the light weight compass
 29 mm tires.  I took off the front rack but kept the fenders.  I had a very
 nice light weight silver American Flyer seat post and  got a good price on
 a surplus Terry Ti saddle in White.  I soon went back to my Selle
 Anatomica.  I thought about removing the hammered honjos but decided
 against it.  I love the way this bike rides.  I have a saluki with racks,
 fenders, and 650 x 38 Pari Moto tires for when I want to ride dirt roads or
 carry more than a rain jacket.  I'll have to look for pictures but I think
 you get the idea.  I think it's about 22 lbs, not too much for a 62cm
 frame.  Oh yea, white hubs and light weight 32 spoke mavic rims.

 Michael



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 Has anyone hot rodded his-er-her Ram? Can I see photos?

 This is just idle curiosity, but I sometimes daydream of stripping the
 Ram of Fly, SP dynohub, lights, installing a light wheelset, and seeing
 what happens.

 OTOH, there is this (entry for May 9):

 http://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com/

 This morning I removed the Phil 115 mm bb pursuant to trading it with
 stockist extraordinaire Ryan Watson, sometime of this list, for a ditto
 103, this in turn pursuant to installing the very nice 7410 cranks I scored
 for $65 on the boblist. Not that there is any practical reason to switch to
 a 53/39 DA crank from the already nice 44/30 TA, except that one must
 maintain the integrity of the grouppo.

 (I'll switch the spacer-13-14-15-16-17-18-20-23-spacer cassette to a
 16-17-18-19-20-21-23-26, which will give me about the same range and even
 smaller jumps.)

 Patrick group integrity, aka vanity, trumps practicality Moore

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Re: [RBW] 3 60cm-ish Rivs and several boxes of parts for less than 2K

[Peter Pesce]

If it sounds too good to be true it probably is. 

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[RBW] Re: Discovering Freedom in Fewer Gears

[Garth]

My knees are just regular ol' knees :)Relaxation is the best thing for 
any movement .  As Patrick mentioned, the more you relax, more power is 
revealed !   The Power is inherent in everyone, a whole more than we're 
aware of, and being relaxed releases it .   

 I spent one summer swimming alot years ago, and I always remember how 
getting on the bike after swimming I felt so strong, because I was very 
relaxed after swimming. I felt like a rubber band man , lol ! 

A single speed reminds of simply walking.  You can only walk so fast 
whether up or down hill, even if you are running , you only have one gear 
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Re: [RBW] Discovering Freedom in Fewer Gears

[Deacon Patrick]

Congrats, Eric! I'll have to pick your brain on how to ss long distances. 
My goal for this season is to do a 200+k dirt road/trail ride. My plan at 
this point is to:

-- get the Quickbeam (I'll outfit it with 32t/40t front rings and on the 
rear a 16t/19t Dos Eno and a 22t bail out on the flip side).
-- just start riding and see how far/long I go and work up from there.

Any and all advice and experience and wisdom welcome and appreciated.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 10:32:29 AM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:

 I rode the Davis Double Century workers ride yesterday on Patrick M's 
 former Motobecane, equipped with a three-speed hub. Only used the top two 
 gears. My legs today don't feel any worse than they would if I had used a 
 traditional multi-speed bike. 

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 On May 10, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comjavascript: 
 wrote:

 On today’s single track ride I used exactly two gears, shifting four times 
 for terrain going either up or down. What an amazing flow to the ride! 
 Contemplation is so easy to enter into, and that’s still with a derailure. 
 I am excited to see what no derailure brings to the party!

 I understand now why the explanations of why people love to ride mountain 
 trails single speed always fail to answer the question of why they love it 
 so. It is transcendent, wild, free and unable to be captured or contained 
 in words. It has a flow and rhythm that melt into the wind breathing 
 through the trees and the sound of tires on loose gravel and my breathing 
 and all the clay over which I ride.

 The “Wow!” continues. Grin.
 Though these pictures are poor at conveying it: 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157644198250827/

 With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: How would your choice of Rivish Bike carry forward to your choice of automobile?

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

my 2000 subaru outback limited with 2 sunroofs!
joe k
columbus ohio

On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:47:34 PM UTC-4, Tom Virgil wrote:

 If you are going to say I ride a Rivendell bicycle, I don't need an 
 automobile, God bless you.  Seriously.

 But, assuming that your obsessive, compulsive personality (I have one of 
 those) compels you to carry the threads of your pursuits to their extreme, 
 logical conclusions, I believe that there are some choices out there.  As 
 with our bicycles, they would not be obtained through standard outlets.

 Just my opinion, but I think that as an Atlantis, A. Homer Hilsen, or Sam 
 Hillborne owner, you might gravitate to this.


 http://bp3.blogger.com/_eMfw8PboF5U/Rzok9A9XD5I/B8g/3-_iCzTeypk/s1600/17_Big+Bertha_1.jpg

 Note that the owner has a beard (working on that for myself).  I heard 
 that the owner managed to convert the Seagrave fire truck engine to 
 propane, so perhaps that helps with fuel costs.

 There is really only one choice for the owner of a Hunqapillar.  The 
 Hummer would be much too yesterday's trendy.  To hades with the cost of 
 fuel or effort.  It must be a Dodge Power Wagon.

 http://moparplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dodge_power_wagon.jpg

 This bad boy will go anywhere you want, albeit with an unsynchonized 
 manual transmission.  Well, heck, we don't need no stinking SIS, do we?

 Betty Foy and Cheviot are more subtle.  They demonstrate a certain amount 
 of class and an attitude of nonchalance about girl's bike/boy's bike.  They 
 are nevertheless robust vehicles.  Not having one, my suggestion would be 
 the following.


 http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Dodge/54_Dodge_Power_Wagon_DV-06_BJ_09.jpg


 I can only imagine Vancouver librarians rolling up to the book 
 repositories (or straight through them, if desired) in Canadian state 
 issued editions of these contrivances.

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[RBW] Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

[Patrick Moore]

I know that the Atlantis is R's most popular model (I think it is anyway)
and I know many listmembers use them for touring. I asked this question on
the iBoblist and got many responses, but perhaps asking it here in a more
focused fashion will raise more guiding advice about the choice as loaded
touring bike of the Atlantis in particular.

I have a client who is a surgeon (ie, he can afford what he wants) who
wants to do some loaded touring. We got to talking and I quickly
recommended the Atlantis, and he was very interested.

I got an email from him yesterday; apparently he had called Rivendell to
ask for their catalogue and discovered that there is a 5 month waiting list
for the Atlantis.

My question to yawl is: considering other possibilities from the LHT to a
custom Bruce Gordon, is the Atlantis, *as touring bike*, special enough to
warrant a wait? Or would you advise other choices?

He presently has a Trek 1420 that is about 15 years old; don't know
anything about that model.

What about a Hunquapillar? -- too beefy/off road built? Sam Hillborne?

Me, having owned a Sam Hill and now owning a Ram with clearance for 35 mm
Kojaks and fenders, I'd probably opt for the Ram for touring, flex be
damned.

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

[Deacon Patrick]

The Hunqapillar isn't overkill unless he's going for light touring. If he 
is even thinking about doing touring on single track as an option on 
whatever tour he's on, the Hunqapiller would be excellent for whatever he 
throws at it.

Obviously I'm partial to Rivendell and the ride it provides. I would wait, 
to the extent that I'd delay my tour if needed, to get the bike that makes 
the most sense for me. But then I'm highly persnickety. Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 3:56:17 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I know that the Atlantis is R's most popular model (I think it is anyway) 
 and I know many listmembers use them for touring. I asked this question on 
 the iBoblist and got many responses, but perhaps asking it here in a more 
 focused fashion will raise more guiding advice about the choice as loaded 
 touring bike of the Atlantis in particular.

 I have a client who is a surgeon (ie, he can afford what he wants) who 
 wants to do some loaded touring. We got to talking and I quickly 
 recommended the Atlantis, and he was very interested.

 I got an email from him yesterday; apparently he had called Rivendell to 
 ask for their catalogue and discovered that there is a 5 month waiting list 
 for the Atlantis.

 My question to yawl is: considering other possibilities from the LHT to a 
 custom Bruce Gordon, is the Atlantis, *as touring bike*, special enough to 
 warrant a wait? Or would you advise other choices?

 He presently has a Trek 1420 that is about 15 years old; don't know 
 anything about that model.

 What about a Hunquapillar? -- too beefy/off road built? Sam Hillborne?

 Me, having owned a Sam Hill and now owning a Ram with clearance for 35 mm 
 Kojaks and fenders, I'd probably opt for the Ram for touring, flex be 
 damned.

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[RBW] Re: Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

[eflayer]

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 11:31:59 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 Assuming the 1-manpower engine stays the same.

 From time to time I think of shaving weight off bikes and I wonder if it 
 really matters for a non-racer person like me who could stand to lose 25 
 lbs.
 I think if I lost the weight it would be much easier to turn the cranks 
 than if I shaved 4 lbs. off the bike.

 But I am not sure how these mechanical things work, so I was wondering.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

[Lyle Bogart]

I have an Atlantis and have used it for all manner of riding (except
attempts at land speed records ;-) ) but I've not yet done a true loaded
tour. I have loaded the bike down quite considerably and hauled stuff
around. I can say without equivocation that the Atlantis offers a far more
comfortable and secure ride than my old trek 720 of the early 1980s ever
did. Also, though I've not ridden an LHT, I met a fellow who did own an LHT
and offered him a test-ride of the Atlantis and he felt there was no
comparison--he much preferred the feel of the Atlantis. I've not ridden any
of the Bruce Gordon bikes, but I had been very tempted by them in the past.

Of course, a big plus, for me, with the Atlantis is the fact that it is
just a lovely, lovely bicycle capable of going anywhere a rider might care
to venture. So, I'd wait for the Atlantis. . .

Cheers!

lyle



On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 The Hunqapillar isn't overkill unless he's going for light touring. If he
 is even thinking about doing touring on single track as an option on
 whatever tour he's on, the Hunqapiller would be excellent for whatever he
 throws at it.

 Obviously I'm partial to Rivendell and the ride it provides. I would wait,
 to the extent that I'd delay my tour if needed, to get the bike that makes
 the most sense for me. But then I'm highly persnickety. Sardonic grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick


 On Sunday, May 11, 2014 3:56:17 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I know that the Atlantis is R's most popular model (I think it is anyway)
 and I know many listmembers use them for touring. I asked this question on
 the iBoblist and got many responses, but perhaps asking it here in a more
 focused fashion will raise more guiding advice about the choice as loaded
 touring bike of the Atlantis in particular.

 I have a client who is a surgeon (ie, he can afford what he wants) who
 wants to do some loaded touring. We got to talking and I quickly
 recommended the Atlantis, and he was very interested.

 I got an email from him yesterday; apparently he had called Rivendell to
 ask for their catalogue and discovered that there is a 5 month waiting list
 for the Atlantis.

 My question to yawl is: considering other possibilities from the LHT to a
 custom Bruce Gordon, is the Atlantis, *as touring bike*, special enough to
 warrant a wait? Or would you advise other choices?

 He presently has a Trek 1420 that is about 15 years old; don't know
 anything about that model.

 What about a Hunquapillar? -- too beefy/off road built? Sam Hillborne?

 Me, having owned a Sam Hill and now owning a Ram with clearance for 35 mm
 Kojaks and fenders, I'd probably opt for the Ram for touring, flex be
 damned.

 Thanks, Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

[eflayer]

I could stand to lose 10 lbs and 10 years. I have control over one but not 
the other. I was out riding my 23 lb New Albion Privateer today. We were 
flying as best we could. It would have been a bit faster and climbing would 
have been easier on the 17 lb Specialized Roubaix. I can't quantify that 
statement, but I do feel it in my bones. I had a great time today, but 
could have have been flying faster on the Roubaix. So lucky to have a few 
bikes and be able to compare and contrast and keep on riding.
On Sunday, May 11, 2014 11:31:59 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 Assuming the 1-manpower engine stays the same.

 From time to time I think of shaving weight off bikes and I wonder if it 
 really matters for a non-racer person like me who could stand to lose 25 
 lbs.
 I think if I lost the weight it would be much easier to turn the cranks 
 than if I shaved 4 lbs. off the bike.

 But I am not sure how these mechanical things work, so I was wondering.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

[Lyle Bogart]

Michael,

I must come down on the side of decreasing rider weight whenever possible,
provided one is keeping within healthy parameters. If one loses weight
through exercise  proper diet, then one should also be stronger and fitter
for it and this will further improve performance on the bike. I think, at
one point, Jan Heine published an article in Bicycle Quarterly looking at
whether or not modern racing bikes, with all the tech advancements, were
actually faster than the bikes of the past. If I recall correctly, he found
that bike had not gotten faster in the last half-century or so. . . I'd
invest my time and money on improving the engine, in other words :-)

Cheers!

lyle


On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 3:09 PM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:


 On Sunday, May 11, 2014 11:31:59 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 Assuming the 1-manpower engine stays the same.

 From time to time I think of shaving weight off bikes and I wonder if it
 really matters for a non-racer person like me who could stand to lose 25
 lbs.
 I think if I lost the weight it would be much easier to turn the cranks
 than if I shaved 4 lbs. off the bike.

 But I am not sure how these mechanical things work, so I was wondering.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/11/2014 06:11 PM, Lyle Bogart wrote:
I have an Atlantis and have used it for all manner of riding (except 
attempts at land speed records ;-) ) but I've not yet done a true 
loaded tour. I have loaded the bike down quite considerably and 
hauled stuff around. I can say without equivocation that the Atlantis 
offers a far more comfortable and secure ride than my old trek 720 
of the early 1980s ever did. Also, though I've not ridden an LHT, I 
met a fellow who did own an LHT and offered him a test-ride of the 
Atlantis and he felt there was no comparison--he much preferred the 
feel of the Atlantis. I've not ridden any of the Bruce Gordon bikes, 
but I had been very tempted by them in the past.


I owned a Bruce Gordon Rock 'n Road Tour for 10 years.  It was my 
commuter and my touring bike.  It rode fine loaded and unloaded; not 
talk-like when unloaded at all.  It was, however, a very stiff frame.  
That's good when you have 50 lb of gear loaded all over the bike, front 
and rear.  Not as marvelous when unloaded as, say, a std diam 8/5/8 
frame, in my book.




Of course, a big plus, for me, with the Atlantis is the fact that it 
is just a lovely, lovely bicycle capable of going anywhere a rider 
might care to venture.


It is that.

Note, however, a poor choice of tires can suck all the goodess out of an 
Atlantis.  First one I ever saw in real life, at a rest stop on a ride, 
the owner had just put on some kind of ride forever over acres of 
broken glass and barb wire armored tires and he said he was so sorry it 
made him hate the bicycle and regret having ever bought it.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

[Lyle Bogart]

That's very true about the choice of tires! I had armored tires on the
Atlantis when I lived in Chinle, Arizona and they felt every bit of armored
when riding on pavement (but they did a stunning job of preventing
punctures from goat-heads!). I feel that I mitigated the on-pavement
effects of the heavy, stiff tires by running at quite low pressures. I've
just acquired a set of 38c Barlow Pass tires and will be test riding those
in the next couple of days.


On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On 05/11/2014 06:11 PM, Lyle Bogart wrote:

 I have an Atlantis and have used it for all manner of riding (except
 attempts at land speed records ;-) ) but I've not yet done a true loaded
 tour. I have loaded the bike down quite considerably and hauled stuff
 around. I can say without equivocation that the Atlantis offers a far more
 comfortable and secure ride than my old trek 720 of the early 1980s ever
 did. Also, though I've not ridden an LHT, I met a fellow who did own an LHT
 and offered him a test-ride of the Atlantis and he felt there was no
 comparison--he much preferred the feel of the Atlantis. I've not ridden any
 of the Bruce Gordon bikes, but I had been very tempted by them in the past.


 I owned a Bruce Gordon Rock 'n Road Tour for 10 years.  It was my commuter
 and my touring bike.  It rode fine loaded and unloaded; not talk-like when
 unloaded at all.  It was, however, a very stiff frame.  That's good when
 you have 50 lb of gear loaded all over the bike, front and rear.  Not as
 marvelous when unloaded as, say, a std diam 8/5/8 frame, in my book.



 Of course, a big plus, for me, with the Atlantis is the fact that it is
 just a lovely, lovely bicycle capable of going anywhere a rider might care
 to venture.


 It is that.

 Note, however, a poor choice of tires can suck all the goodess out of an
 Atlantis.  First one I ever saw in real life, at a rest stop on a ride, the
 owner had just put on some kind of ride forever over acres of broken glass
 and barb wire armored tires and he said he was so sorry it made him hate
 the bicycle and regret having ever bought it.



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[RBW] Re: Tire noise, way OT

[ted]

Per your results, a Nifty Swifty is ~3% slower than a Maxy Fasty, and 
wearing 1.3 mm of tread off a Rolly-Poly makes it ~2% faster. RBW describes 
the difference between their stronger and lighter tire variants (i.e. 
Nifty-Swify/Maxy-Fasty, Ruffy-Tuffy/Rolly-Poly, JB Blue/Green) as stronger 
casing, kevlar belt and thicker tread*. In the case of the Ruffy-Tuffy the 
extra tread thickness is said to be 1mm. Scaling your ~2% for 1.3mm result 
to 1mm yields ~1.5% which is about 1/2 of the 3% difference you found 
between the Maxy Fasty and the Nifty Swifty. Presumably the other half is 
due to the kevlar belt and  casing differences.

Your results indicate that, for RBW's tires, the rolling resistance impacts 
of changes in casing and tread are similar.

That supports the hypothesis that rolling resistance is effected by (among 
other things) tread characteristics.


I suspect the 17% difference you measured between the fastest and slowest 
tires you tested says more about variation in tire design philosophies 
(which is interesting in its own right), than it does about tire 
phenomenology (which is what I was commenting on). 


Re your more practical day to day rubber meats the road comment: I concur 
that supple tires are great. I am very pleased with the GB tires I am 
currently using. When they wear out I expect I will buy new Compass tires 
to replace them. But that is a bit off topic.


ted



* It's just like a Nifty Swifty without the extra ultra-duty casing, 
kevlar belt, extra tread  and it  has a folding kevlar bead, not a wire 
one., It's a Roll-y Pol-y with a kevlar belt and an extra millimeter of 
tread thickness., The GREEN version is like a plumper Roll-y Pol-y, in 
that it has a normal casing and tread, with no beefening-up features 
(thicker casing, kevlar belt, extra rubber) that would add weight., The 
Blue version is the same volume, but has an extra strong casing, kevlar 
belt, and thicker tread, so it weighs more.



On Saturday, May 10, 2014 6:16:36 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:

 On Friday, May 9, 2014 3:02:01 PM UTC-7, ted wrote:

 without measuring the speed of tires with the same casing and varying 
 treads I think declaring tread less significant than casing from a design 
 standpoint is premature.


 You make a good point - you need good measurements before you make claims. 
 We did measure the same tire with different tread thicknesses. That test is 
 easy - you compare an almost new tire (we rode all tires for about 50 miles 
 to make sure they were well-seated and that the casing threads had the 
 opportunity to relax) and a well-worn one.

 A worn-out set of Rolly-Poly tires with 1.8 mm tread+casing thickness was 
 2.1% faster  than new set of the same model with 3.1 mm tread+casing. So 
 it's not insignificant, but it pales in comparison to the differences you 
 get from a more supple casing. And the worn-out tires wouldn't last you 
 through Paris-Brest-Paris or other long ride...

 When we talk about tire performance, we don't just throw out conjecture 
 and hypotheses. We spent maybe 100 hours testing tires, analysing data, 
 performing statistical analyses, etc. The effects we report are real, and 
 they are significant. Tires make the biggest difference at lower speeds, 
 where the difference between the fastest and slowest tires we tested was 
 about 17% in speed for the same power output. Faster riders have more wind 
 resistance to deal with, so they obtain less of an advantage from faster 
 tires, but it's still the biggest factor in the performance of your bike.

 Perhaps even more important is the way the bike feels with supple, fast 
 tires. To me and many others, supple tires greatly contribute to the joy of 
 riding. If you really are interested in the topic, I suggest you look up 
 the back issues of *Bicycle Quarterly* where we reported the results. You 
 find an index by topic 
 herehttp://www.bikequarterly.com/BQ_subject_index.html, 
 and perhaps your local library has a subscription. If not, ask them to 
 order the magazine - many libraries already do - or you can order the 
 relevant back issues from us.

 Jan Heine
 Editor
 Bicycle Quarterly
 www.bikequarterly.com

 Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/


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[RBW] WTB: White Industries cranks

[Mark Reimer]

Hello,

I'm searching for a pair of silver White Industries cranks, preferably in 
175mm length, to finish off my Atlantis build. I want to run them with the 
VBC rings. I'm looking for the 'ENO' cranks/mountain cranks, not the road 
VBC cranks as I don't believe they will clear the chain stays. 

Buying them new in Canada is pretty insane, so I'm hoping to find a pair of 
used ones here possibly.. Anyone looking to get rid of a pair? 

Beyond cranks, all I need are the derailleurs and a seat post. I'm almost 
on the road!

Mark

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Re: [RBW] Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

[James Warren]

He should get the Hillborne or the Hunq over the other brands. Both are so adaptable to anything. The variables in deciding between them are the wait, the price and the biggest tire width need.It's a bummer about the 5 month Atlantis wait. I still say the Atlantis is the best touring bike. But no need to wait that long if a Hillborne or Hunq can had be a lot sooner. I would say worth the wait for the Atlantis over the other brands, but not over its similar Riv cousins. With summer coming up fast, if good rides are in store for this summer, he should make it happen with a Hillborne or Hunq. Although, are there wait times on these two models right now?-Jim W.-Original Message-
From: Patrick Moore 
Sent: May 11, 2014 2:56 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

I know that the Atlantis is R's most popular model (I think it is anyway) and I know many listmembers use them for touring. I asked this question on the iBoblist and got many responses, but perhaps asking it here in a more focused fashion will raise more guiding advice about the choice as loaded touring bike of the Atlantis in particular.
I have a client who is a surgeon (ie, he can afford what he wants) who wants to do some loaded touring. We got to talking and I quickly recommended the Atlantis, and he was very interested.
I got an email from him yesterday; apparently he had called Rivendell to ask for their catalogue and discovered that there is a 5 month waiting list for the Atlantis.My question to yawl is: considering other possibilities from the LHT to a custom Bruce Gordon, is the Atlantis, *as touring bike*, special enough to warrant a wait? Or would you advise other choices?
He presently has a Trek 1420 that is about 15 years old; don't know anything about that model.What about a Hunquapillar? -- too beefy/off road built? Sam Hillborne?
Me, having owned a Sam Hill and now owning a Ram with clearance for 35 mm Kojaks and fenders, I'd probably opt for the Ram for touring, flex be damned.Thanks, Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

[James Warren]

Barlow Pass tires are perfect on the Atlantis if you want to add some swiftiness. I'm enjoying that very effect today.-Original Message-
From: Lyle Bogart 
Sent: May 11, 2014 3:58 PM
To: "rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

That's very true about the choice of tires! I had "armored" tires on the Atlantis when I lived in Chinle, Arizona and they felt every bit of armored when riding on pavement (but they did a stunning job of preventing punctures from goat-heads!). I feel that I mitigated the on-pavement effects of the heavy, stiff tires by running at quite low pressures. I've just acquired a set of 38c Barlow Pass tires and will be test riding those in the next couple of days.

On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

On 05/11/2014 06:11 PM, Lyle Bogart wrote:

I have an Atlantis and have used it for all manner of riding (except attempts at land speed records ;-) ) but I've not yet done a true "loaded tour". I have loaded the bike down quite considerably and hauled stuff around. I can say without equivocation that the Atlantis offers a far more comfortable and "secure" ride than my old trek 720 of the early 1980s ever did. Also, though I've not ridden an LHT, I met a fellow who did own an LHT and offered him a test-ride of the Atlantis and he felt there was no comparison--he much preferred the feel of the Atlantis. I've not ridden any of the Bruce Gordon bikes, but I had been very tempted by them in the past.




I owned a Bruce Gordon Rock 'n Road Tour for 10 years. It was my commuter and my touring bike. It rode fine loaded and unloaded; not talk-like when unloaded at all. It was, however, a very stiff frame. That's good when you have 50 lb of gear loaded all over the bike, front and rear. Not as marvelous when unloaded as, say, a std diam 8/5/8 frame, in my book.





Of course, a big plus, for me, with the Atlantis is the fact that it is just a lovely, lovely bicycle capable of going anywhere a rider might care to venture.


It is that.

Note, however, a poor choice of tires can suck all the goodess out of an Atlantis. First one I ever saw in real life, at a rest stop on a ride, the owner had just put on some kind of "ride forever over acres of broken glass and barb wire" armored tires and he said he was so sorry it made him hate the bicycle and regret having ever bought it.




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[RBW] FS: Two Brooks saddles Ti Gray b17 Champion Special and a Honey B17 special

[Anne]

Brooks B17 Champion Special with ti rails, large rivets, gray leather. Very 
low miles. Excellent condition. $160 (USPS shipping w/in US included)

Brooks B17 Special, honey, large rivets, black steel rails. This one lived 
on an indoor trainer. Staining around rivets otherwise minimal marking or 
stretching. $70 (USPS shipping w/in US included)

Contact me off list with questions or to purchase. 
Thanks much,
Anne G
Middle of the mitten (MI)

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

[dougP]

Patrick:

As a happy Atlantis owner since 2003, I'm partial but I can also see 5 
months being a long time.  Much depends on what type of touring he wants to 
do.  If it's fully self-contained, camping, cooking, for weeks on end, and 
he'll need to carry 4 bags plus junk on a rack, then either the Atlantis of 
the Hunq would be the Rivendell way to go.  I don't know about the 
differences in frame tubing between the two but if you load a bike down 
with 40 lbs or more, they wouldn't feel a lot different.  On the other 
hand, if he's interested in say week long lodging tours and can get by with 
a couple of bags, Sam would do the trick nicely.  Heck, Sam would probably 
work fine for loaded touring but you may need to be more thoughtful about 
weight placement than on a Hunq or Atlantis.  

I've taken my Atlantis on long 4 bag camping tours, lodging trips, S24Os, 
off-roading, and it's my daily ride.  So I'm actually beyond biased, more 
like predjudiced.  It works for all my needs.  Were I buying a bike today 
for those types of riding, it would be coin toss between the Hunq  the 
Atlantis.  

dougP

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 2:56:17 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I know that the Atlantis is R's most popular model (I think it is anyway) 
 and I know many listmembers use them for touring. I asked this question on 
 the iBoblist and got many responses, but perhaps asking it here in a more 
 focused fashion will raise more guiding advice about the choice as loaded 
 touring bike of the Atlantis in particular.

 I have a client who is a surgeon (ie, he can afford what he wants) who 
 wants to do some loaded touring. We got to talking and I quickly 
 recommended the Atlantis, and he was very interested.

 I got an email from him yesterday; apparently he had called Rivendell to 
 ask for their catalogue and discovered that there is a 5 month waiting list 
 for the Atlantis.

 My question to yawl is: considering other possibilities from the LHT to a 
 custom Bruce Gordon, is the Atlantis, *as touring bike*, special enough to 
 warrant a wait? Or would you advise other choices?

 He presently has a Trek 1420 that is about 15 years old; don't know 
 anything about that model.

 What about a Hunquapillar? -- too beefy/off road built? Sam Hillborne?

 Me, having owned a Sam Hill and now owning a Ram with clearance for 35 mm 
 Kojaks and fenders, I'd probably opt for the Ram for touring, flex be 
 damned.

 Thanks, Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

[dougP]

Michael:

Your intuition is correct.  In addition to improving your cycling, losing 
25 lbs will also improve your health.  If done right, it's free, vs what it 
costs to get 4 lbs off a bike.  Look at it this way:  if you're carrying an 
extra 25 lbs, that's like lugging another bike around.  

dougP

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 11:31:59 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 Assuming the 1-manpower engine stays the same.

 From time to time I think of shaving weight off bikes and I wonder if it 
 really matters for a non-racer person like me who could stand to lose 25 
 lbs.
 I think if I lost the weight it would be much easier to turn the cranks 
 than if I shaved 4 lbs. off the bike.

 But I am not sure how these mechanical things work, so I was wondering.


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[RBW] Re: WTB: White Industries cranks

[blakcloud]

Mark, I sent you a PM about the stuff you need. I live in Toronto so 
shipping might be easier. 



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Re: [RBW] Heron: Why the incorrect info about tire clearance?

[Hugh Flynn]

Well, o.k. 

These aren't great pictures, but they are what I have on hand. I'll add some 
detailed shots if I can grab a little time to go make them :-)

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[RBW] Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

[WETH]

Dear Patrick,
I have both an Atlantis and LHT. They are set up differently (Atlantis with 
noodles and LHT with Albatross).  I love my Atlantis, and it would be the 
keeper if I had to part with one of the two.  I bought the LHT to ride until I 
could afford an Atlantis.  However, functionally I experience minimal 
difference aside from what the different handlebars contribute.  (The LHT feels 
a bit sluggish in comparison-can't quantify-just feel it). However, perfecting 
the fit of the LHT really helped me dial in the Atlantis fit.  Five months is a 
long wait, especially when it covers the spring, summer and fall.  Since the 
LHT and Atlantis fit similar tires and carry similar loads, perhaps your client 
could buy an LHT and build it with the Riv kit he wanted (stem excepted).  He 
could then spend the five months dialing it all in and experimenting.  When the 
Atlantis was ready, he could move parts over, buy a stem that best mirrored his 
LHT set-up and sell the LHT.  Or, like me, keep it and set it up differently.  
Just a crazy thought!  I enjoy spending other people's money, too. :)
-Erl

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Re: [RBW] Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

[cyclotourist]

Brilliant!

Cheers,
David

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On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 7:18 PM, WETH erlhous...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Patrick,
 I have both an Atlantis and LHT. They are set up differently (Atlantis
 with noodles and LHT with Albatross).  I love my Atlantis, and it would be
 the keeper if I had to part with one of the two.  I bought the LHT to ride
 until I could afford an Atlantis.  However, functionally I experience
 minimal difference aside from what the different handlebars contribute.
  (The LHT feels a bit sluggish in comparison-can't quantify-just feel it).
 However, perfecting the fit of the LHT really helped me dial in the
 Atlantis fit.  Five months is a long wait, especially when it covers the
 spring, summer and fall.  Since the LHT and Atlantis fit similar tires and
 carry similar loads, perhaps your client could buy an LHT and build it with
 the Riv kit he wanted (stem excepted).  He could then spend the five months
 dialing it all in and experimenting.  When the Atlantis was ready, he could
 move parts over, buy a stem that best mirrored his LHT set-up and sell the
 LHT.  Or, like me, keep it and set it up differently.  Just a crazy
 thought!  I enjoy spending other people's money, too. :)
 -Erl

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Re: [RBW] Heron: Why the incorrect info about tire clearance?

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[RBW] WTB: Panniers

[Roger]

I'm looking for a nice set of panniers that I'd use with Nitto lowriders. 
My first thought is for waxed canvas, and along the lines of Swift or 
Carsick. There seem to be a great many good bag makers these days.

I'll mostly use these just for camping, along with a Hoss saddlebag and a 
medium ShopSack, so they needn't push the upper edge on capaciousness nor 
push the limit on technical features.

The pannier shown in this 
photohttps://www.flickr.com/photos/56856126@N02/14165564595/in/set-72157643167142163as
 a reference is a home project bag that measures about 12 x 14 x 8 when 
fully stuffed as shown.

Anyone have bags that need a new home?


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Re: [RBW] Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

[Tony DeFilippo]

I love Erl's advice, of course that would lead to the two bike situation! 
 :)  Maybe go w/ the Trucker Deluxe as the interim solution so you end up 
w/ a travel bike at the same time. 

One question back to Patrick, is a custom BG really available sooner than 
the 5 month Atlantis timeline?  I visited his shop and was super impressed 
by his craftsmanship though I haven't ridden one of his bikes.  The Rock n 
Road's are clearly spec'd as traditional, four pannier heavy loaded touring 
bikes but in talking to Bruce he seemed to be willing to make mods based on 
the intended use.  Also is he looking at 26 options or 700C?  I know the 
LHT's, Atlanti, and BG RnR's are all available in both for some sizes.

Tony


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[RBW] Re: Fuji Touring Series IV, Rivish Makeover, Phase 1

[Michael]

 Congrats, Bobby! That is a really cool looking bike!

 




 


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[RBW] Re: Compass Barlow Pass tires

[Jan Heine]

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 10:20:22 AM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:

 Do you find tire savers help protect against wire flats on the Barlow Pass 
 tires?

 We get so few flats that we don't bother with tire wipers (aka tire 
savers) any longer on wide tires... However, there is no reason why they 
shouldn't help.

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[RBW] Re: Tire noise, way OT

[Jan Heine]

You are right, of course. Tread patterns and construction do affect rolling 
resistance - just look at the Col de la Vie tires which use the same casing 
as the Pasela, but the micro-knob pattern makes them significantly 
slower... It's just that unless you go to knobbies, the tread pattern isn't 
as significant as other factors, but as you point out, that doesn't make it 
unimportant.

Jan Heine
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On Sunday, May 11, 2014 5:12:20 PM UTC-7, ted wrote:

 Per your results, a Nifty Swifty is ~3% slower than a Maxy Fasty, and 
 wearing 1.3 mm of tread off a Rolly-Poly makes it ~2% faster. RBW describes 
 the difference between their stronger and lighter tire variants (i.e. 
 Nifty-Swify/Maxy-Fasty, Ruffy-Tuffy/Rolly-Poly, JB Blue/Green) as stronger 
 casing, kevlar belt and thicker tread*. In the case of the Ruffy-Tuffy the 
 extra tread thickness is said to be 1mm. Scaling your ~2% for 1.3mm result 
 to 1mm yields ~1.5% which is about 1/2 of the 3% difference you found 
 between the Maxy Fasty and the Nifty Swifty. Presumably the other half is 
 due to the kevlar belt and  casing differences.

 Your results indicate that, for RBW's tires, the rolling resistance 
 impacts of changes in casing and tread are similar.

 That supports the hypothesis that rolling resistance is effected by (among 
 other things) tread characteristics.


 I suspect the 17% difference you measured between the fastest and slowest 
 tires you tested says more about variation in tire design philosophies 
 (which is interesting in its own right), than it does about tire 
 phenomenology (which is what I was commenting on). 


 Re your more practical day to day rubber meats the road comment: I concur 
 that supple tires are great. I am very pleased with the GB tires I am 
 currently using. When they wear out I expect I will buy new Compass tires 
 to replace them. But that is a bit off topic.


 ted


 
 * It's just like a Nifty Swifty without the extra ultra-duty casing, 
 kevlar belt, extra tread  and it  has a folding kevlar bead, not a wire 
 one., It's a Roll-y Pol-y with a kevlar belt and an extra millimeter of 
 tread thickness., The GREEN version is like a plumper Roll-y Pol-y, in 
 that it has a normal casing and tread, with no beefening-up features 
 (thicker casing, kevlar belt, extra rubber) that would add weight., The 
 Blue version is the same volume, but has an extra strong casing, kevlar 
 belt, and thicker tread, so it weighs more.


 
 On Saturday, May 10, 2014 6:16:36 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:

 On Friday, May 9, 2014 3:02:01 PM UTC-7, ted wrote:

 without measuring the speed of tires with the same casing and varying 
 treads I think declaring tread less significant than casing from a design 
 standpoint is premature.


 You make a good point - you need good measurements before you make 
 claims. We did measure the same tire with different tread thicknesses. That 
 test is easy - you compare an almost new tire (we rode all tires for about 
 50 miles to make sure they were well-seated and that the casing threads had 
 the opportunity to relax) and a well-worn one.

 A worn-out set of Rolly-Poly tires with 1.8 mm tread+casing thickness was 
 2.1% faster  than new set of the same model with 3.1 mm tread+casing. So 
 it's not insignificant, but it pales in comparison to the differences you 
 get from a more supple casing. And the worn-out tires wouldn't last you 
 through Paris-Brest-Paris or other long ride...

 When we talk about tire performance, we don't just throw out conjecture 
 and hypotheses. We spent maybe 100 hours testing tires, analysing data, 
 performing statistical analyses, etc. The effects we report are real, and 
 they are significant. Tires make the biggest difference at lower speeds, 
 where the difference between the fastest and slowest tires we tested was 
 about 17% in speed for the same power output. Faster riders have more wind 
 resistance to deal with, so they obtain less of an advantage from faster 
 tires, but it's still the biggest factor in the performance of your bike.

 Perhaps even more important is the way the bike feels with supple, fast 
 tires. To me and many others, supple tires greatly contribute to the joy of 
 riding. If you really are interested in the topic, I suggest you look up 
 the back issues of *Bicycle Quarterly* where we reported the results. You 
 find an index by topic 
 herehttp://www.bikequarterly.com/BQ_subject_index.html, 
 and perhaps your local library has a subscription. If not, ask them to 
 order the magazine - many libraries already do - or you can order the 
 relevant back issues from us.

 Jan Heine
 Editor
 Bicycle Quarterly
 www.bikequarterly.com

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

[DS]

Just an FYI if you're comparing the Hunq and Atlantis, the Hunq also has a 
wait time. I was quoted 4.5 months, took just over 3 months in reality.

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 2:56:17 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I know that the Atlantis is R's most popular model (I think it is anyway) 
 and I know many listmembers use them for touring. I asked this question on 
 the iBoblist and got many responses, but perhaps asking it here in a more 
 focused fashion will raise more guiding advice about the choice as loaded 
 touring bike of the Atlantis in particular.

 I have a client who is a surgeon (ie, he can afford what he wants) who 
 wants to do some loaded touring. We got to talking and I quickly 
 recommended the Atlantis, and he was very interested.

 I got an email from him yesterday; apparently he had called Rivendell to 
 ask for their catalogue and discovered that there is a 5 month waiting list 
 for the Atlantis.

 My question to yawl is: considering other possibilities from the LHT to a 
 custom Bruce Gordon, is the Atlantis, *as touring bike*, special enough to 
 warrant a wait? Or would you advise other choices?

 He presently has a Trek 1420 that is about 15 years old; don't know 
 anything about that model.

 What about a Hunquapillar? -- too beefy/off road built? Sam Hillborne?

 Me, having owned a Sam Hill and now owning a Ram with clearance for 35 mm 
 Kojaks and fenders, I'd probably opt for the Ram for touring, flex be 
 damned.

 Thanks, Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

[DS]

I've been asking myself the same thing over the last few years. I just lost 
20 lbs on a ketogenic diet and definitely noticed an increase in speed 
throughout the weight loss and afterwards. However, even after the weight 
loss, I still go faster on my wife's 18 lb carbon road bike than on my 22 
lb Gunnar Sport. But...it is really only noticeable on long uphill climbs 
(even with not as low of a gear as the Gunnar). And it is pretty much a 
wash on flats, rolling hills, and downhills. The two bikes also have 
different geometries, with the carbon bike being a more aggressive racing 
position that probably lends itself to faster uphill climbing. 

That being said, I only used the lighter carbon bike as a confidence 
builder on one particular 6 mile uphill climb I do regularly. Eventually I 
got faster (also coincided with weight loss) and switched back to the 
gunnar, I never grab the carbon bike anymore.


On Sunday, May 11, 2014 11:31:59 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 Assuming the 1-manpower engine stays the same.

 From time to time I think of shaving weight off bikes and I wonder if it 
 really matters for a non-racer person like me who could stand to lose 25 
 lbs.
 I think if I lost the weight it would be much easier to turn the cranks 
 than if I shaved 4 lbs. off the bike.

 But I am not sure how these mechanical things work, so I was wondering.


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Re: [RBW] Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

[Aaron Young]

If t'were me I would be willing to wait several months to get a bicycle if
I were planning on keeping and riding it for 25+ years be it Atlantis,
Hunqa, or Bruce Gordon.

Aaron willing to wait Young
The Dalles, OR


On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 7:24 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote:

 Brilliant!

 Cheers,
 David

 it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal





 On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 7:18 PM, WETH erlhous...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Patrick,
 I have both an Atlantis and LHT. They are set up differently (Atlantis
 with noodles and LHT with Albatross).  I love my Atlantis, and it would be
 the keeper if I had to part with one of the two.  I bought the LHT to ride
 until I could afford an Atlantis.  However, functionally I experience
 minimal difference aside from what the different handlebars contribute.
  (The LHT feels a bit sluggish in comparison-can't quantify-just feel it).
 However, perfecting the fit of the LHT really helped me dial in the
 Atlantis fit.  Five months is a long wait, especially when it covers the
 spring, summer and fall.  Since the LHT and Atlantis fit similar tires and
 carry similar loads, perhaps your client could buy an LHT and build it with
 the Riv kit he wanted (stem excepted).  He could then spend the five months
 dialing it all in and experimenting.  When the Atlantis was ready, he could
 move parts over, buy a stem that best mirrored his LHT set-up and sell the
 LHT.  Or, like me, keep it and set it up differently.  Just a crazy
 thought!  I enjoy spending other people's money, too. :)
 -Erl

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