Re: [RBW] Heron: Why the incorrect info about tire clearance?

2014-05-12 Thread Joe Bernard
Wow, what is that crazy bar tape?

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 7:17:42 PM UTC-7, Hugh Flynn wrote:

 Well, o.k. 

 These aren't great pictures, but they are what I have on hand. I'll add 
 some detailed shots if I can grab a little time to go make them :-) 

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/108619385@N05/sets/72157644631896944/ 

 Hugh Flynn 
 Newburyport, MA 


 On May 10, 2014, at 8:08 PM, mikel...@juno.com javascript: wrote: 

  lets see your Heron 
   
  The #1 Worst Carb Ever? 
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Re: [RBW] Heron: Why the incorrect info about tire clearance?

2014-05-12 Thread hugh flynn
Soma - Orange Chrome.

While the yellow Benotto tape I used before had a decidedly more classic
look, I think I prefer the bell-matching orange chrome.

Bag-matching is easy - I've stepped up to bell-matching :-)

Hugh Disco Bars Flynn
Newburyport, MA


On Monday, May 12, 2014, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wow, what is that crazy bar tape?

 On Sunday, May 11, 2014 7:17:42 PM UTC-7, Hugh Flynn wrote:

 Well, o.k.

 These aren't great pictures, but they are what I have on hand. I'll add
 some detailed shots if I can grab a little time to go make them :-)

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/108619385@N05/sets/72157644631896944/

 Hugh Flynn
 Newburyport, MA


 On May 10, 2014, at 8:08 PM, mikel...@juno.com wrote:

  lets see your Heron
  
  The #1 Worst Carb Ever?
  Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar #40;Don#39;t Eat
 This!#41;
  http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/536ebfb4ef81c3fb45d77st03duc
 
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

2014-05-12 Thread Michael Hechmer
Unless he is considering some extensive wilderness kind of touring, I would 
suggest he look into an Ebisu. I used one to commute for many years and 
found it to have a good, stable ride on 38mm tires. with steel fenders.  I 
only sold mine when a very good used Saluki in my size popped up on this 
site, and my touring had all gone to the tandem.   Nice looking bike too.

Michael

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 5:56:17 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I know that the Atlantis is R's most popular model (I think it is anyway) 
 and I know many listmembers use them for touring. I asked this question on 
 the iBoblist and got many responses, but perhaps asking it here in a more 
 focused fashion will raise more guiding advice about the choice as loaded 
 touring bike of the Atlantis in particular.

 I have a client who is a surgeon (ie, he can afford what he wants) who 
 wants to do some loaded touring. We got to talking and I quickly 
 recommended the Atlantis, and he was very interested.

 I got an email from him yesterday; apparently he had called Rivendell to 
 ask for their catalogue and discovered that there is a 5 month waiting list 
 for the Atlantis.

 My question to yawl is: considering other possibilities from the LHT to a 
 custom Bruce Gordon, is the Atlantis, *as touring bike*, special enough to 
 warrant a wait? Or would you advise other choices?

 He presently has a Trek 1420 that is about 15 years old; don't know 
 anything about that model.

 What about a Hunquapillar? -- too beefy/off road built? Sam Hillborne?

 Me, having owned a Sam Hill and now owning a Ram with clearance for 35 mm 
 Kojaks and fenders, I'd probably opt for the Ram for touring, flex be 
 damned.

 Thanks, Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

2014-05-12 Thread Tony DeFilippo
As a 250 lb guy riding mostly 30ish pound bikes (+commuting load) I don't get 
to wrapped up about weight... But I am always intrigued when I heft a light 
weight bike.  Thing is you'll never be able to do side by side testing of a 
+/-25 lbs 'engine' but it's easy to try a +/-10lb bike/equipment.

Reducing the engine weight has to be the most effective and satisfying long 
term but every time I've hopped on a much lighter bike it has made a big 
impression on me from a ride perspective.  (How long that sub 18lbs carbon bike 
would actually last under my weight is another thing entirely!)


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Re: [RBW] Re: Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

2014-05-12 Thread Eric Platt
I'm in Tony's camp, both with personal and bike weight.  One thing I've
noticed does make a difference is tires.  Have now had a second, longer
ride on the Compass Barlow Pass tires and have noticed that I am faster on
my Hillborne with those tires.

But that is me.  Have a friend who is very light, rode a Surly LHT with
heavy duty wheels and tires.  He was able to go significantly faster than
me on any ride we would do together.  Except for long downhills.  So engine
probably makes the bigger difference.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 5:48 AM, Tony DeFilippo vpi...@gmail.com wrote:

 As a 250 lb guy riding mostly 30ish pound bikes (+commuting load) I don't
 get to wrapped up about weight... But I am always intrigued when I heft a
 light weight bike.  Thing is you'll never be able to do side by side
 testing of a +/-25 lbs 'engine' but it's easy to try a +/-10lb
 bike/equipment.

 Reducing the engine weight has to be the most effective and satisfying
 long term but every time I've hopped on a much lighter bike it has made a
 big impression on me from a ride perspective.  (How long that sub 18lbs
 carbon bike would actually last under my weight is another thing entirely!)


 Tony

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

2014-05-12 Thread Garth

   Franklin Frames in Ohio will build you anything your heart desires :)   
And he does not have a long wait time.  Jack Trumbull is prea tty much a 
one man operation in rural Ohio .  He is definitely under the radar, so 
speak  He told me that Riv once contacted him about building some frames, 
but he declined . He also paints and does any type of frame repair.  You 
can get a full touring or any other type of rig from $1400-$1680 for your 
choice of steel, lugged or fillet brazed.  He builds from titanium, 
stainless and carbon .  
I have one of his Bradley customs in sport touring geometry with 18 
chainstays in Reynolds 531ST, and man do Iove that ride.  I have a 
Bombadil also, which would make a fine touring rig, but it's a bit stiff 
for me for every day fun riding .  My Bradley is just  wonderful riding , 
as it has more flex in all the right places that it floats over the uneven 
chip and seal roads I ride alot on .  It's as completely stable at 5mph on 
steep uphills as it is 50 mph down.  

Jack does most of his business through local Ohio shops, but does sell to 
individuals that don't live locally .  It would be best just to call him to 
talk about it. He's real easy to chat with !   He's been doing this for 
over 35 years, so he's done and seen about everything bike related :) 

http://www.franklinframe.com/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

2014-05-12 Thread Ray Shine
I have toured on my Atlantis on the Western Express route and several other 
shorter trips. It has been a comfortable and wonderful bike, and I had no 
problems with the bike (other than just one flat tire in Pueblo, CO). That 
said, I definitely saw more fellow tourers on Long Haul Truckers than I did on 
any other make or model.  The two bikes are very similar.  I would not delay a 
trip just because a certain model bike was not yet available. The trip would be 
my priority, and the bike a close secondary. I would not force a trip on a bike 
ill suited for that purpose, but if I had a LHT in hand, or had to wait for and 
Atlantis, I'd pack the LHT and set off.






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Subject: [RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?
 


Just an FYI if you're comparing the Hunq and Atlantis, the Hunq also has a 
wait time. I was quoted 4.5 months, took just over 3 months in reality.

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 2:56:17 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
I know that the Atlantis is R's most popular model (I think it is anyway) and 
I know many listmembers use them for touring. I asked this question on the 
iBoblist and got many responses, but perhaps asking it here in a more focused 
fashion will raise more guiding advice about the choice as loaded touring bike 
of the Atlantis in particular.


I have a client who is a surgeon (ie, he can afford what he wants) who wants 
to do some loaded touring. We got to talking and I quickly recommended the 
Atlantis, and he was very interested.


I got an email from him yesterday; apparently he had called Rivendell to ask 
for their catalogue and discovered that there is a 5 month waiting list for 
the Atlantis.


My question to yawl is: considering other possibilities from the LHT to a 
custom Bruce Gordon, is the Atlantis, *as touring bike*, special enough to 
warrant a wait? Or would you advise other choices?


He presently has a Trek 1420 that is about 15 years old; don't know anything 
about that model.


What about a Hunquapillar? -- too beefy/off road built? Sam Hillborne?


Me, having owned a Sam Hill and now owning a Ram with clearance for 35 mm 
Kojaks and fenders, I'd probably opt for the Ram for touring, flex be damned.


Thanks, Patrick


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[RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

2014-05-12 Thread Deacon Patrick
I love the idea of the LHT as placeholder while the Atlantis is on order. 
Best of all possible worlds, to be perfectly Candide. But perhaps I am 
Panglossing over something? Grin.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

2014-05-12 Thread Matthew J
What is the wait time on the Hilsen?  It was a while back but I recall GP 
posting Riv had a surplus of larger 650B frames.  The 700C is obviously a 
good choice as well.

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 4:56:17 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I know that the Atlantis is R's most popular model (I think it is anyway) 
 and I know many listmembers use them for touring. I asked this question on 
 the iBoblist and got many responses, but perhaps asking it here in a more 
 focused fashion will raise more guiding advice about the choice as loaded 
 touring bike of the Atlantis in particular.

 I have a client who is a surgeon (ie, he can afford what he wants) who 
 wants to do some loaded touring. We got to talking and I quickly 
 recommended the Atlantis, and he was very interested.

 I got an email from him yesterday; apparently he had called Rivendell to 
 ask for their catalogue and discovered that there is a 5 month waiting list 
 for the Atlantis.

 My question to yawl is: considering other possibilities from the LHT to a 
 custom Bruce Gordon, is the Atlantis, *as touring bike*, special enough to 
 warrant a wait? Or would you advise other choices?

 He presently has a Trek 1420 that is about 15 years old; don't know 
 anything about that model.

 What about a Hunquapillar? -- too beefy/off road built? Sam Hillborne?

 Me, having owned a Sam Hill and now owning a Ram with clearance for 35 mm 
 Kojaks and fenders, I'd probably opt for the Ram for touring, flex be 
 damned.

 Thanks, Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

2014-05-12 Thread Eric Peterson
It seems that everyone agrees that losing 25 lbs would be better than 
lightening the bike by 4 lbs.

A different question: If the rider lost 4 lbs would that be equivalent to 
riding a bike that was 4 lbs lighter?
For example, last weekend I rode out 20 miles to pick up two 2-lb jars of 
honey.
Just that weight difference of 4 lbs seemed very noticeable to me on the 
return trip.
So would I feel a corresponding difference if I lost 4 lbs of my own weight?
I don't see why not.

--Eric


On Sunday, May 11, 2014 1:31:59 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:

 Assuming the 1-manpower engine stays the same.

 From time to time I think of shaving weight off bikes and I wonder if it 
 really matters for a non-racer person like me who could stand to lose 25 
 lbs.
 I think if I lost the weight it would be much easier to turn the cranks 
 than if I shaved 4 lbs. off the bike.

 But I am not sure how these mechanical things work, so I was wondering.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

2014-05-12 Thread Steve Palincsar

On 05/12/2014 09:54 AM, Eric Peterson wrote:
It seems that everyone agrees that losing 25 lbs would be better than 
lightening the bike by 4 lbs.


A different question: If the rider lost 4 lbs would that be equivalent 
to riding a bike that was 4 lbs lighter?
For example, last weekend I rode out 20 miles to pick up two 2-lb jars 
of honey.
Just that weight difference of 4 lbs seemed very noticeable to me on 
the return trip.
So would I feel a corresponding difference if I lost 4 lbs of my own 
weight?

I don't see why not.


You would think 4 lb off the load would be the same as 4 lb off the 
bike.  Of course, you don't notice 4 lb off the load when you pick up 
the bike to see how light it is.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

2014-05-12 Thread Eric Platt
Having owned a (too small) Atlantis a number of years ago and having a LHT
for the past few years, the Atlantis has a better ride feel.  Especially
unloaded.

The Trucker Deluxe (great suggestion) or the 26 wheel LHT would be my
choice.  Of course, I like the idea of a larger frame with 26 tires.
 Running 2 tires on the LHT gives a very comfortable feel on the road.
 Especially when the bike is loaded.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote:

 What is the wait time on the Hilsen?  It was a while back but I recall GP
 posting Riv had a surplus of larger 650B frames.  The 700C is obviously a
 good choice as well.


 On Sunday, May 11, 2014 4:56:17 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I know that the Atlantis is R's most popular model (I think it is anyway)
 and I know many listmembers use them for touring. I asked this question on
 the iBoblist and got many responses, but perhaps asking it here in a more
 focused fashion will raise more guiding advice about the choice as loaded
 touring bike of the Atlantis in particular.

 I have a client who is a surgeon (ie, he can afford what he wants) who
 wants to do some loaded touring. We got to talking and I quickly
 recommended the Atlantis, and he was very interested.

 I got an email from him yesterday; apparently he had called Rivendell to
 ask for their catalogue and discovered that there is a 5 month waiting list
 for the Atlantis.

 My question to yawl is: considering other possibilities from the LHT to a
 custom Bruce Gordon, is the Atlantis, *as touring bike*, special enough to
 warrant a wait? Or would you advise other choices?

 He presently has a Trek 1420 that is about 15 years old; don't know
 anything about that model.

 What about a Hunquapillar? -- too beefy/off road built? Sam Hillborne?

 Me, having owned a Sam Hill and now owning a Ram with clearance for 35 mm
 Kojaks and fenders, I'd probably opt for the Ram for touring, flex be
 damned.

 Thanks, Patrick

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RE: [RBW] Fuji Touring Series IV, Rivish Makeover, Phase 1

2014-05-12 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Wow, Bobby – that is really classy.

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Montclair BobbyB
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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Fuji Touring Series IV, Rivish Makeover, Phase 1

Found this all-original 1983 Fuji Touring Series on eBay last year, and have 
just finally gotten around to giving it a minor Rivish makeover.  I wanted to 
leave it as original as possible, but I simply had to give it a Brooks saddle, 
swap the narrow touring bars and down tube shifters for wider bars (Noodle 48s 
with Dirt Drop stem) and bar-end shifters (vintage Shimano, spring-loaded).  
And although I would like to run fatter tires, width choices for 27 inch rims 
are very limited.  The wheels are beautiful, though (40-spoke rear, 36-spoke 
front) and I went with the widest 27x 1 1/4 tire I could find - Panaracer 
Paselas... It rides beautifully, so I will stick with the current setup for now 
(before considering changing to 700c wheels)..

I will add racks, bags and fenders next.  This ride quality of this bike is 
exceptional.  BB

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

2014-05-12 Thread Darin G.
Buy the LHT off the peg or build up the frame with as many compatible 
components as possible, then swap the components it over to the Atlantis 
frame when it comes available.  I can't imagine you can't offload the LHT 
frame with minimal loss.  My wife has an LHT and I have an Atlantis.  The 
LHT is plainly capable, but the refinement of the Atlantis is obvious after 
a few miles.  So, another vote for the LHT as a placeholder.

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 3:56:17 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I know that the Atlantis is R's most popular model (I think it is anyway) 
 and I know many listmembers use them for touring. I asked this question on 
 the iBoblist and got many responses, but perhaps asking it here in a more 
 focused fashion will raise more guiding advice about the choice as loaded 
 touring bike of the Atlantis in particular.

 I have a client who is a surgeon (ie, he can afford what he wants) who 
 wants to do some loaded touring. We got to talking and I quickly 
 recommended the Atlantis, and he was very interested.

 I got an email from him yesterday; apparently he had called Rivendell to 
 ask for their catalogue and discovered that there is a 5 month waiting list 
 for the Atlantis.

 My question to yawl is: considering other possibilities from the LHT to a 
 custom Bruce Gordon, is the Atlantis, *as touring bike*, special enough to 
 warrant a wait? Or would you advise other choices?

 He presently has a Trek 1420 that is about 15 years old; don't know 
 anything about that model.

 What about a Hunquapillar? -- too beefy/off road built? Sam Hillborne?

 Me, having owned a Sam Hill and now owning a Ram with clearance for 35 mm 
 Kojaks and fenders, I'd probably opt for the Ram for touring, flex be 
 damned.

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[RBW] Re: Fuji Touring Series IV, Rivish Makeover, Phase 1

2014-05-12 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Reid:

I have a Nishiki Prestige (that I NEED to get back on the road... lost the 
front wheel last year)... Agree the ride is amazingly comfortable.

Joe B, these are the shifters you bartered to me; they are awesome! THANK 
YOU!!!  I haven't owned Suntour Barcons so I can't do a fair comparison). 
But just comparing these to the new generation of Dura-Ace shifters, the 
spring-loaded shifters (in my opinion) are heads above in terms of shifting 
ease... I love em.

I have since added a few more coats of shellac... the bars and saddle are a 
pretty close match.  I started with orange Neubaums cloth tape, and natural 
amber shellac flakes from VO.
I'll post more pics once I get my handlebar bag and racks mounted.  BB

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 12:55:25 PM UTC-4, Reid wrote:

 Nice! I still have a Nishiki Grand Tour 15 that I bought new in 1982 
 during the small craze for touring bikes. I don't know if the Japanese 
 bikes had real touring geometry or not, but my Nishiki is still the most 
 comfortable bike I have. Still mostly stock, except for a 6 cog freewheel 
 on the back instead of 5 cog. Now it's a Grand Tour 18, I guess. :-) 
  
 Back then, the triple chainrings were incomprehensible by the racer 
 wannabees. I actually did some multi week touring on mine and man, I 
 appreciated the triple.
  
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Re: [RBW] Fuji Touring Series IV, Rivish Makeover, Phase 1

2014-05-12 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Thanks, Tom... Actually I think you bartered this saddle to me... knew it 
would find the right bike :)

On Monday, May 12, 2014 10:07:37 AM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:

  Wow, Bobby – that is really classy.

  

 *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto:
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Montclair 
 BobbyB
 *Sent:* Saturday, May 10, 2014 9:28 PM
 *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Subject:* [RBW] Fuji Touring Series IV, Rivish Makeover, Phase 1

  
  
 Found this all-original 1983 Fuji Touring Series on eBay last year, and 
 have just finally gotten around to giving it a minor Rivish makeover.  I 
 wanted to leave it as original as possible, but I simply had to give it a 
 Brooks saddle, swap the narrow touring bars and down tube shifters for 
 wider bars (Noodle 48s with Dirt Drop stem) and bar-end shifters (vintage 
 Shimano, spring-loaded).  And although I would like to run fatter 
 tires, width choices for 27 inch rims are very limited.  The wheels are 
 beautiful, though (40-spoke rear, 36-spoke front) and I went with the 
 widest 27x 1 1/4 tire I could find - Panaracer Paselas... It rides 
 beautifully, so I will stick with the current setup for now (before 
 considering changing to 700c wheels)..
  
  
  
 I will add racks, bags and fenders next.  This ride quality of this bike 
 is exceptional.  BB 
  

 https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DTMTWUPHIvc/U27QAOqd2SI/Eng/iZn6_R8ewMM/s1600/14152477781_848afab047_b.jpg
  
  
  
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[RBW] re: tires - I could be imagining things, but...I am thinking Cypres is good

2014-05-12 Thread eflayer
 
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Albion Privateer. It is a pretty stout steel steed. I was running Maxxis 
Refuse 700x28 folding tires at 85 psi. I thought maybe they might have been 
making the stoutness feel even more stout - a bit harsh and BUMPY. And the 
bike seemed unfast, ie slow.

I installed a pair of Compass *Cypres* 700x32 tanwalls at about 70 psi. 
Maybe the most pronounced ride-feel difference I have ever felt doing a 
parts/tire switch. Now the ride is more like bouncing a good basketball on 
a wood floor and it just seems way zippier...but I could be imagining 
things. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: White Industries cranks

2014-05-12 Thread Mark Reimer
Thanks! Cranks have been sourced.

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 8:49:22 PM UTC-5, blakcloud wrote:

 Mark, I sent you a PM about the stuff you need. I live in Toronto so 
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Re: [RBW] re: tires - I could be imagining things, but...I am thinking Cypres is good

2014-05-12 Thread Jim Bronson
I think that has been most folks' experience with the Grand Bois Cypres.
 Certainly mine when switching from Gatorskins.

They are more flat prone but the tradeoff is worth it IMO.


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 Albion Privateer. It is a pretty stout steel steed. I was running Maxxis
 Refuse 700x28 folding tires at 85 psi. I thought maybe they might have been
 making the stoutness feel even more stout - a bit harsh and BUMPY. And the
 bike seemed unfast, ie slow.

 I installed a pair of Compass *Cypres* 700x32 tanwalls at about 70 psi.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Two Brooks saddles Ti Gray b17 Champion Special and a Honey B17 special

2014-05-12 Thread Anne
Both saddles have been sold.
Thanks all.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fuji Touring Series IV, Rivish Makeover, Phase 1

2014-05-12 Thread Jim Bronson
Interesting point about front bag interference, thanks for that comment.
 I'm thinking of buying a large front back for randonneuring.

Back on topic - awesome Fuji, love the build!


On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anton, why not? For friction it makes little difference in function
 and greatly reduces bag interference issues.

 Bobby, how you like those shifters? Do they compete well with the
 ratchet and Retrofriction designs?

 =- Joe Bunik
 Walnut Creek, CA


 On 5/11/14, Anton Tutter atut...@gmail.com wrote:
  What a gorgeous Touring Series IV!!  I'm not a huge fan of the
 'concealed'
  bar-end cable routing, but a really nice specimen overall.
 
  On Saturday, May 10, 2014 9:28:03 PM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
 
  Found this all-original 1983 Fuji Touring Series on eBay last year, and
  have just finally gotten around to giving it a minor Rivish makeover.  I
  wanted to leave it as original as possible, but I simply had to give it
 a
 
  Brooks saddle, swap the narrow touring bars and down tube shifters for
  wider bars (Noodle 48s with Dirt Drop stem) and bar-end shifters
 (vintage
 
  Shimano, spring-loaded).  And although I would like to run fatter
  tires, width choices for 27 inch rims are very limited.  The wheels are
  beautiful, though (40-spoke rear, 36-spoke front) and I went with the
  widest 27x 1 1/4 tire I could find - Panaracer Paselas... It rides
  beautifully, so I will stick with the current setup for now (before
  considering changing to 700c wheels)..
 
  I will add racks, bags and fenders next.  This ride quality of this bike
  is exceptional.  BB
 
 
  
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Re: [RBW] Heron: Why the incorrect info about tire clearance?

2014-05-12 Thread Joe Bernard
I'm putting Albas on the deep-blue/green Heron Road I just picked 
up..they'll look great with some Orange Chrome in the curves. Thanks for 
the idea!

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Monday, May 12, 2014 2:53:57 AM UTC-7, Hugh Flynn wrote:

 Soma - Orange Chrome.

 While the yellow Benotto tape I used before had a decidedly more classic 
 look, I think I prefer the bell-matching orange chrome. 

 Bag-matching is easy - I've stepped up to bell-matching :-)

 Hugh Disco Bars Flynn
 Newburyport, MA


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 wrote:

 Wow, what is that crazy bar tape?

 On Sunday, May 11, 2014 7:17:42 PM UTC-7, Hugh Flynn wrote:

 Well, o.k. 

 These aren't great pictures, but they are what I have on hand. I'll add 
 some detailed shots if I can grab a little time to go make them :-) 

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/108619385@N05/sets/72157644631896944/ 

 Hugh Flynn 
 Newburyport, MA 


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  lets see your Heron 
   
  The #1 Worst Carb Ever? 
  Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar #40;Don#39;t Eat 
 This!#41; 
  http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/536ebfb4ef81c3fb45d77st03duc 
  
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Re: [RBW] Heron: Why the incorrect info about tire clearance?

2014-05-12 Thread Jim Bronson
Is the chrome look bar-tape easier to clean?  I.e., smooth wipable surface?


Does it get hot?


On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 4:53 AM, hugh flynn hugfly...@gmail.com wrote:

 Soma - Orange Chrome.

 While the yellow Benotto tape I used before had a decidedly more classic
 look, I think I prefer the bell-matching orange chrome.

 Bag-matching is easy - I've stepped up to bell-matching :-)

 Hugh Disco Bars Flynn
 Newburyport, MA



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 Wow, what is that crazy bar tape?

 On Sunday, May 11, 2014 7:17:42 PM UTC-7, Hugh Flynn wrote:

 Well, o.k.

 These aren't great pictures, but they are what I have on hand. I'll add
 some detailed shots if I can grab a little time to go make them :-)

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/108619385@N05/sets/72157644631896944/

 Hugh Flynn
 Newburyport, MA


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  lets see your Heron
  
  The #1 Worst Carb Ever?
  Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar #40;Don#39;t Eat
 This!#41;
  http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/536ebfb4ef81c3fb45d77st03duc
 
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

2014-05-12 Thread Kelly
The Sleepers are kinda biased and we love our Rivs.  So to Dawn and I it would 
be a yes to waiting 5 months or finding one used.  
Come to think of it though, I have two friends that tour with us using 
Hilbournes and they love em.  

Here are some of Dawns Atlantis loaded down.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8068265249/in/set-72157631723790948
https://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157626241665432/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8972883205/in/set-72157633975989097
https://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/9306032957/in/set-72157634675288867


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[RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

2014-05-12 Thread Garth

   My five cents  . . .  

 Don't bother what what you do not want , only get what you really really 
want !  Don't settle for what you do not want , unless you want to settle 
for what you do not really want. *Then* you'll either have a boat anchor 
laying around after you get what you wanted in the first place, or you sell 
it later, which can be it's own boat anchor in itself . 

   So unless your heart is set on a Surly, don't bother .Get what you 
really want and do not settle !   

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Re: [RBW] Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

2014-05-12 Thread Tim McNamara
Yes, it would be the same.  Weight is weight and physics is physics.  

The chief thing about losing rider weight is that for most of us this is good 
for our health, Americans tending towards overweight and obesity.  Even 
maintaining a 5 lb weight loss shows measurable improvements in long term 
health risks.  

The other thing about losing weight versus taking it off your bike is that it's 
usually cheaper to eat differently and exercise more than new lightweight bike 
parts.  Perhaps not as much fun.




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 It seems that everyone agrees that losing 25 lbs would be better than 
 lightening the bike by 4 lbs.
 
 A different question: If the rider lost 4 lbs would that be equivalent to 
 riding a bike that was 4 lbs lighter?
 For example, last weekend I rode out 20 miles to pick up two 2-lb jars of 
 honey.
 Just that weight difference of 4 lbs seemed very noticeable to me on the 
 return trip.
 So would I feel a corresponding difference if I lost 4 lbs of my own weight?
 I don't see why not.
 
 --Eric
 
 
 On Sunday, May 11, 2014 1:31:59 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
 Assuming the 1-manpower engine stays the same.
 
 From time to time I think of shaving weight off bikes and I wonder if it 
 really matters for a non-racer person like me who could stand to lose 25 lbs.
 I think if I lost the weight it would be much easier to turn the cranks than 
 if I shaved 4 lbs. off the bike.
 
 But I am not sure how these mechanical things work, so I was wondering.
 
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Re: [RBW] Heron: Why the incorrect info about tire clearance?

2014-05-12 Thread Hugh Flynn
It IS easy to clean as it has a nice smooth surface to it.

The tape has what looks to be a strip of bronze colored mylar glued over a 
fairly basic strip of basic black foam/PVC bar tape.  The mylar strip does not 
confirm easily to bar contours, so it was by far the hardest tape I've ever 
tried to wrap. That having been said, once I got the wrap smooth, I think it 
looks great. 

I have not noticed that the tape heats up, but I may have better feedback to 
offer when summer is over. 

Hugh Slightly Garish Flynn
Newburyport, MA




On May 12, 2014, at 11:17 AM, Jim Bronson wrote:

 Is the chrome look bar-tape easier to clean?  I.e., smooth wipable surface?  
 
 Does it get hot?
 
 
 On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 4:53 AM, hugh flynn hugfly...@gmail.com wrote:
 Soma - Orange Chrome.
 
 While the yellow Benotto tape I used before had a decidedly more classic 
 look, I think I prefer the bell-matching orange chrome. 
 
 Bag-matching is easy - I've stepped up to bell-matching :-)
 
 Hugh Disco Bars Flynn
 Newburyport, MA
 
 
 
 On Monday, May 12, 2014, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
 Wow, what is that crazy bar tape?
 
 On Sunday, May 11, 2014 7:17:42 PM UTC-7, Hugh Flynn wrote:
 Well, o.k. 
 
 These aren't great pictures, but they are what I have on hand. I'll add some 
 detailed shots if I can grab a little time to go make them :-) 
 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/108619385@N05/sets/72157644631896944/ 
 
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Re: [RBW] Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

2014-05-12 Thread Matthew J
 Yes, it would be the same.  Weight is weight and physics is physics. 

Yes and no.  Depending on the bikes geometry, where the weight is located 
makes a big difference.  

My high trail, short chain stay Spectrum rides beautifully with just me on 
board, rides pretty well even with a weekend load in a large saddle bag. 
 Anything over 4 lbs or so in a handle bar bag makes a noticeable 
difference.

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

2014-05-12 Thread David Craig
I've toured on a couple of Riv's (Atlantis and Bombadil) and a 26-inch 
wheel LHT. Had great, extended tours on all. The only touring bike I now 
own is the LHT. 

In my size (60 cm frame), I found the wheelbase too long on the Bombadil 
with the 50mm tires I prefer - and I've come to love 50's for touring. A 
long wheelbase, large wheels/big tires and big frame are a hassle when 
using public transportation and packing for travel. Folks with smaller 
frames probably wouldn't have this issue. It was a rock solid touring bike 
and my next in preference to the LHT.

The Atlantis was a fine touring bike. It was lovely. But, in reality with a 
full load, no better or worse than my LHT. I actually regret selling my 
Atlantis (a 64cm), because it was a good all around bike. Now that I'm not 
mountain biking and touring anymore, the Atlantis would have been a good 
bike to ride off into the sunset on. 

Here's why I prefer the LHT for touring: It's a solid, relatively 
inexpensive bike with functional components and no quirks. It's an entirely 
forgiving (uses any components), easily outfitted bike that costs less for 
a whole bike than an Atlantis frame. The LHT is an entirely suitable bike 
for touring and there are tons of them out there doing it in all 
environments. Something Atlantis owners seem willing to forgive is that the 
bike isn't especially forgiving of chainring size and front derailleur 
type. Most of us have experienced chainsuck. The LHT, and particularly the 
26 wheel bike, can use any combo of crank and derailleur on the market and 
the stock set up worked flawlessly for me.

It is better to be touring than dreaming about touring. Now that I'm no 
longer able to tour, I'm glad that I was a doer and not a dreamer. There 
are lots of folks out there who get hung up on finding the ultimate touring 
bike and outfitting it with the best parts. Many of those would-be tourists 
never actually end up doing a significant tour.

DC

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 2:56:17 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I know that the Atlantis is R's most popular model (I think it is anyway) 
 and I know many listmembers use them for touring. I asked this question on 
 the iBoblist and got many responses, but perhaps asking it here in a more 
 focused fashion will raise more guiding advice about the choice as loaded 
 touring bike of the Atlantis in particular.

 I have a client who is a surgeon (ie, he can afford what he wants) who 
 wants to do some loaded touring. We got to talking and I quickly 
 recommended the Atlantis, and he was very interested.

 I got an email from him yesterday; apparently he had called Rivendell to 
 ask for their catalogue and discovered that there is a 5 month waiting list 
 for the Atlantis.

 My question to yawl is: considering other possibilities from the LHT to a 
 custom Bruce Gordon, is the Atlantis, *as touring bike*, special enough to 
 warrant a wait? Or would you advise other choices?

 He presently has a Trek 1420 that is about 15 years old; don't know 
 anything about that model.

 What about a Hunquapillar? -- too beefy/off road built? Sam Hillborne?

 Me, having owned a Sam Hill and now owning a Ram with clearance for 35 mm 
 Kojaks and fenders, I'd probably opt for the Ram for touring, flex be 
 damned.

 Thanks, Patrick

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Re: [RBW] re: tires - I could be imagining things, but...I am thinking Cypres is good

2014-05-12 Thread Bruce Herbitter
I have been running Cypres on my Riv Road for a few years and like them a
lot. The kevlar bead ones. There was also a steel bead at one time that I
tried and did not like.


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  I just replaced the tires on my newest commuter-y type bike, the New
 Albion Privateer. It is a pretty stout steel steed. I was running Maxxis
 Refuse 700x28 folding tires at 85 psi. I thought maybe they might have been
 making the stoutness feel even more stout - a bit harsh and BUMPY. And the
 bike seemed unfast, ie slow.

 I installed a pair of Compass *Cypres* 700x32 tanwalls at about 70 psi.
 Maybe the most pronounced ride-feel difference I have ever felt doing a
 parts/tire switch. Now the ride is more like bouncing a good basketball on
 a wood floor and it just seems way zippier...but I could be imagining
 things.

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Re: [RBW] Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

2014-05-12 Thread Steve Palincsar

On 05/12/2014 11:58 AM, Matthew J wrote:

 Yes, it would be the same.  Weight is weight and physics is physics.

Yes and no.  Depending on the bikes geometry, where the weight is 
located makes a big difference.


My high trail, short chain stay Spectrum rides beautifully with just 
me on board, rides pretty well even with a weekend load in a large 
saddle bag.  Anything over 4 lbs or so in a handle bar bag makes a 
noticeable difference.




Sure; and take that same Spectrum, put a light rear rack on it and then 
put a trunk-rack type bag on there with 5 lb or so and you'll get a 
great demonstration of what tail wags the dog feels like, too.  
(Curiosly, felt far worse than 4X that weight in panniers on the same bike.)



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[RBW] Re: Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

2014-05-12 Thread 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch
I wish my stoker would lose 25 lbs, but I sure as hell ain't going to tell 
her so.  The Santana is heavy, and I have no plans for trying to make it 
lighter.  I guess I am just going to have to pedal harder...

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 1:31:59 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:

 Assuming the 1-manpower engine stays the same.

 From time to time I think of shaving weight off bikes and I wonder if it 
 really matters for a non-racer person like me who could stand to lose 25 
 lbs.
 I think if I lost the weight it would be much easier to turn the cranks 
 than if I shaved 4 lbs. off the bike.

 But I am not sure how these mechanical things work, so I was wondering.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

2014-05-12 Thread Joe Hogg
On 05/12/2014 09:24 AM, 'Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
 I wish my stoker would lose 25 lbs, but I sure as hell ain't going to
 tell her so.  The Santana is heavy, and I have no plans for trying to
 make it lighter.  I guess I am just going to have to pedal harder...

 On Sunday, May 11, 2014 1:31:59 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:

 Assuming the 1-manpower engine stays the same.

 From time to time I think of shaving weight off bikes and I wonder
 if it really matters for a non-racer person like me who could
 stand to lose 25 lbs.
 I think if I lost the weight it would be much easier to turn the
 cranks than if I shaved 4 lbs. off the bike.

 But I am not sure how these mechanical things work, so I was
 wondering.

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Greetings All,

These are interesting comments, but ones I did not send. The From: field
on my email tells me I sent it, although I comes from
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.

What can be done to not associate my name with a message I didn't send?

Joe Hogg
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[RBW] Re: Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

2014-05-12 Thread Iron Rider
I think that reduced body weight makes much more of a difference even lb 
for lb. Even with no change in strength, reduced body weight increases 
strength to weight ratio. Lighter body weight increases VO2Max, i.e. 
results in increased performance.  Reduced body weight also requires less 
calories per mile to move (except on downhills). Reduced body weight is not 
just about the strength to carry the load, it's about the efficiency of the 
engine. The limitation on this is the ability to maintain strength/fitness 
at a lower weight. 

The weight of the bike on the other hand, really just primarily affects 
climbing and acceleration. At a given fixed speed, a 30+ pound bike on a 
flat course can be just as fast as  a much lighter bike, In fact, if the 
30 point bike is more aero, it can be much faster!  Case in point - I know 
a guy who rides a velomobile, it weighs a lot (40lbs?) and is slow as 
molasses up hill, but on flats and downhills he is as  fast as even faster 
than pro cyclists on a diamond frame bike.

Think of it this way, who do you think would be faster a pro cyclist on a 
touring bike or an overweight cyclist on a pro bike? 

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

2014-05-12 Thread IanA
Under $1700 is a good price for a custom frame.  I toured extensively on a 
frame with 8/5/8 tubing and while it was a noodle in some (lots of) 
circumstances and the 700 wheels didn't do so well on rough stuff, it still 
planed, somehow even with 50lb of gear.  It was loaded too heavily for the 
design, but not crazily so.  I'd love a 26 bike with clearance for 2.2 
tires w/fenders, but with a sport-tourer feel . Handsome's XOXO is close in 
concept.  

Does a touring bike really have to be a tank?  My daily ride is potentially 
a great expedition tourer, an 80's Rocky Mountain that I put drops on. 
 That Rocky is what I almost always grab for 90% of riding, but, when 
riding 8+ hours a day, wouldn't a bit of of frame flex and a slight loss of 
sureness be preferable to predicable but solid?  This is a genuine question 
- Atlantis clearances on something approaching Rambouillet tubing, made for 
26 wheels?

IanA.




On Monday, May 12, 2014 7:04:16 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:


Franklin Frames in Ohio will build you anything your heart desires :)   
 And he does not have a long wait time.  Jack Trumbull is prea tty much a 
 one man operation in rural Ohio .  He is definitely under the radar, so 
 speak  He told me that Riv once contacted him about building some frames, 
 but he declined . He also paints and does any type of frame repair.  You 
 can get a full touring or any other type of rig from $1400-$1680 for your 
 choice of steel, lugged or fillet brazed.  He builds from titanium, 
 stainless and carbon .  
 I have one of his Bradley customs in sport touring geometry with 18 
 chainstays in Reynolds 531ST, and man do Iove that ride.  I have a 
 Bombadil also, which would make a fine touring rig, but it's a bit stiff 
 for me for every day fun riding .  My Bradley is just  wonderful riding , 
 as it has more flex in all the right places that it floats over the uneven 
 chip and seal roads I ride alot on .  It's as completely stable at 5mph on 
 steep uphills as it is 50 mph down.  

 Jack does most of his business through local Ohio shops, but does sell to 
 individuals that don't live locally .  It would be best just to call him to 
 talk about it. He's real easy to chat with !   He's been doing this for 
 over 35 years, so he's done and seen about everything bike related :) 

 http://www.franklinframe.com/


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[RBW] Re: Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

2014-05-12 Thread eflayer
I think what we really need is a people lifter. A contraption that picks 
the person up with a caliper around your chest area. And once off the 
ground a robotic voice says, dude you are feeling so light today. you must 
have lost 50 grams between yesterday and today! love you for that!
On Sunday, May 11, 2014 11:31:59 AM UTC-7, Michael wrote:

 Assuming the 1-manpower engine stays the same.

 From time to time I think of shaving weight off bikes and I wonder if it 
 really matters for a non-racer person like me who could stand to lose 25 
 lbs.
 I think if I lost the weight it would be much easier to turn the cranks 
 than if I shaved 4 lbs. off the bike.

 But I am not sure how these mechanical things work, so I was wondering.


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[RBW] Re: Discovering Freedom in Fewer Gears

2014-05-12 Thread Deacon Patrick
Ha! Today was imposed single speed, at least once my derailure froze. When 
I turned around and thus downhill, I attempted to shift to my downhill gear 
equivalent on the QB, but my mammoth's derailure had iced up and refused to 
budge. Not a bad thing, though given the thick, sloppy condition the road 
was in, with a  crust of crunchy ice on top. Grin.

My only real danger on this ride happened because of a driver who was too 
lazy to properly clean his windshield. I saw the stupidity coming, slowed 
way down, let him cut me off, and kept on my merry way.

Photos start here (and go left for 7 
more): https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/14167077492/

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] re: tires - I could be imagining things, but...I am thinking Cypres is good

2014-05-12 Thread Jan Heine
Grand Bois changed their tire design significantly based on our tire tests. 
At first, they used a casing that was similar to the Rolly-Poly/Jack 
Brown/Maxy-Fasty. After our tests, they went back to the drawing board and 
improved the design. The latest step in that direction are the Extra Léger 
tires.

The wire-bead version was the original version. History has shown that they 
could be – and have been – improved.

Disclosure: It's probably well-known by now that Bicycle Quarterly's sister 
company, Compass Bicycles Ltd., imports Grand Bois tires...

Jan Heine
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On Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16:54 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:

 I have been running Cypres on my Riv Road for a few years and like them a 
 lot. The kevlar bead ones. There was also a steel bead at one time that I 
 tried and did not like.



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Re: [RBW] re: tires - I could be imagining things, but...I am thinking Cypres is good

2014-05-12 Thread Brewster Fong

On Monday, May 12, 2014 10:37:43 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:

 Grand Bois changed their tire design significantly based on our tire 
 tests. At first, they used a casing that was similar to the Rolly-Poly/Jack 
 Brown/Maxy-Fasty. After our tests, they went back to the drawing board and 
 improved the design. The latest step in that direction are the Extra Léger 
 tires.

 The wire-bead version was the original version. History has shown that 
 they could be – and have been – improved.

 Disclosure: It's probably well-known by now that Bicycle Quarterly's 
 sister company, Compass Bicycles Ltd., imports Grand Bois tires...

 
Jan,
 
Are you planning on coming out with a tubular tire? I ask because several 
of my friends are into these new lightweight carbon tubular wheelsets 
(e.g., 1100 tp 1200 grams for the wheelset) and a set of super fast tires 
based on your finding might make them even faster! And, let's face it, who 
doesn't like light, fast wheels?! :)  Let us know. Thanks! 
 
 


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 On Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16:54 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:

 I have been running Cypres on my Riv Road for a few years and like them a 
 lot. The kevlar bead ones. There was also a steel bead at one time that I 
 tried and did not like.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Discovering Freedom in Fewer Gears

2014-05-12 Thread Peter Morgano
Cheers! Seeing stupid coming is a technique we should all learn.
On May 12, 2014 1:18 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 Ha! Today was imposed single speed, at least once my derailure froze. When
 I turned around and thus downhill, I attempted to shift to my downhill gear
 equivalent on the QB, but my mammoth's derailure had iced up and refused to
 budge. Not a bad thing, though given the thick, sloppy condition the road
 was in, with a  crust of crunchy ice on top. Grin.

 My only real danger on this ride happened because of a driver who was too
 lazy to properly clean his windshield. I saw the stupidity coming, slowed
 way down, let him cut me off, and kept on my merry way.

 Photos start here (and go left for 7 more):
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/14167077492/

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Discovering Freedom in Fewer Gears

2014-05-12 Thread Deacon Patrick
Well, I've 8+ concussions in my noggin, so I've had WAY too much practice 
at both being and seeing stupid. Sardonic Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, May 12, 2014 12:19:51 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:

 Cheers! Seeing stupid coming is a technique we should all learn. 
 On May 12, 2014 1:18 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Ha! Today was imposed single speed, at least once my derailure froze. 
 When I turned around and thus downhill, I attempted to shift to my downhill 
 gear equivalent on the QB, but my mammoth's derailure had iced up and 
 refused to budge. Not a bad thing, though given the thick, sloppy condition 
 the road was in, with a  crust of crunchy ice on top. Grin.

 My only real danger on this ride happened because of a driver who was too 
 lazy to properly clean his windshield. I saw the stupidity coming, slowed 
 way down, let him cut me off, and kept on my merry way.

 Photos start here (and go left for 7 more): 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/14167077492/

 With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Discovering Freedom in Fewer Gears

2014-05-12 Thread Tim Gavin
Patrick-

Are those Silver bar-ends on your Hunq?  What did you use for the rubber
caps?

Tim

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Re: [RBW] re: tires - I could be imagining things, but...I am thinking Cypres is good

2014-05-12 Thread Steve Palincsar

On 05/12/2014 02:16 PM, Brewster Fong wrote:


On Monday, May 12, 2014 10:37:43 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:

Grand Bois changed their tire design significantly based on our
tire tests. At first, they used a casing that was similar to the
Rolly-Poly/Jack Brown/Maxy-Fasty. After our tests, they went back
to the drawing board and improved the design. The latest step in
that direction are the Extra Léger tires.

The wire-bead version was the original version. History has shown
that they could be – and have been – improved.

Disclosure: It's probably well-known by now that Bicycle
Quarterly's sister company, Compass Bicycles Ltd., imports Grand
Bois tires...

Jan,
Are you planning on coming out with a tubular tire? I ask because 
several of my friends are into these new lightweight carbon tubular 
wheelsets (e.g., 1100 tp 1200 grams for the wheelset) and a set of 
super fast tires based on your finding might make them even faster! 
And, let's face it, who doesn't like light, fast wheels?! :)  Let us 
know. Thanks!


How could Compass improve upon the FMB?


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Re: [RBW] re: tires - I could be imagining things, but...I am thinking Cypres is good

2014-05-12 Thread Brewster Fong

On Monday, May 12, 2014 11:22:09 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  On 05/12/2014 02:16 PM, Brewster Fong wrote:
  

 On Monday, May 12, 2014 10:37:43 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote: 

 Grand Bois changed their tire design significantly based on our tire 
 tests. At first, they used a casing that was similar to the Rolly-Poly/Jack 
 Brown/Maxy-Fasty. After our tests, they went back to the drawing board and 
 improved the design. The latest step in that direction are the Extra Léger 
 tires.

 The wire-bead version was the original version. History has shown that 
 they could be – and have been – improved.

 Disclosure: It's probably well-known by now that Bicycle Quarterly's 
 sister company, Compass Bicycles Ltd., imports Grand Bois tires...
  
  
 Jan,
  
 Are you planning on coming out with a tubular tire? I ask because several 
 of my friends are into these new lightweight carbon tubular wheelsets 
 (e.g., 1100 tp 1200 grams for the wheelset) and a set of super fast tires 
 based on your finding might make them even faster! And, let's face it, who 
 doesn't like light, fast wheels?! :)  Let us know. Thanks!
  

 How could Compass improve upon the FMB?

 
Good question! However, Jan makes his GB tires sounds so much faster 
than any clincher out there that I'm thinking he could work his magic on 
tubulars too! May be another question is whether FMB makes a clincher tire 
and if so, how does it compare to the GB?! Good Luck!  

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Re: [RBW] 3 60cm-ish Rivs and several boxes of parts for less than 2K

2014-05-12 Thread Corwin
I saw a post on this list offering the same stuff for $2250. Something 
about living next to a park and getting drawn to the dark side (mountain 
biking). I was tempted to take the lot, but live in the Bay Area and have 
no time to venture to Michigan to get the stuff.

Hopefully, it went to someone who appreciates it.


Corwin

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 1:40:22 PM UTC-7, Peter Pesce wrote:

 If it sounds too good to be true it probably is. 

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RE: [RBW] Fuji Touring Series IV, Rivish Makeover, Phase 1

2014-05-12 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Excellent – glad it found such a good spot for itself!

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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Fuji Touring Series IV, Rivish Makeover, Phase 1

Thanks, Tom... Actually I think you bartered this saddle to me... knew it would 
find the right bike :)

On Monday, May 12, 2014 10:07:37 AM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
Wow, Bobby – that is really classy.

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[mailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:] On Behalf Of Montclair BobbyB
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To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript:
Subject: [RBW] Fuji Touring Series IV, Rivish Makeover, Phase 1

Found this all-original 1983 Fuji Touring Series on eBay last year, and have 
just finally gotten around to giving it a minor Rivish makeover.  I wanted to 
leave it as original as possible, but I simply had to give it a Brooks saddle, 
swap the narrow touring bars and down tube shifters for wider bars (Noodle 48s 
with Dirt Drop stem) and bar-end shifters (vintage Shimano, spring-loaded).  
And although I would like to run fatter tires, width choices for 27 inch rims 
are very limited.  The wheels are beautiful, though (40-spoke rear, 36-spoke 
front) and I went with the widest 27x 1 1/4 tire I could find - Panaracer 
Paselas... It rides beautifully, so I will stick with the current setup for now 
(before considering changing to 700c wheels)..

I will add racks, bags and fenders next.  This ride quality of this bike is 
exceptional.  BB

[https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DTMTWUPHIvc/U27QAOqd2SI/Eng/iZn6_R8ewMM/s1600/14152477781_848afab047_b.jpg]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DTMTWUPHIvc/U27QAOqd2SI/Eng/iZn6_R8ewMM/s1600/14152477781_848afab047_b.jpg

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

2014-05-12 Thread RJM
I use a Sam Hillborne as a touring bike and it has been wonderfulthe 
hunqapillar would be an excellent choice too. 

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 4:56:17 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I know that the Atlantis is R's most popular model (I think it is anyway) 
 and I know many listmembers use them for touring. I asked this question on 
 the iBoblist and got many responses, but perhaps asking it here in a more 
 focused fashion will raise more guiding advice about the choice as loaded 
 touring bike of the Atlantis in particular.

 I have a client who is a surgeon (ie, he can afford what he wants) who 
 wants to do some loaded touring. We got to talking and I quickly 
 recommended the Atlantis, and he was very interested.

 I got an email from him yesterday; apparently he had called Rivendell to 
 ask for their catalogue and discovered that there is a 5 month waiting list 
 for the Atlantis.

 My question to yawl is: considering other possibilities from the LHT to a 
 custom Bruce Gordon, is the Atlantis, *as touring bike*, special enough to 
 warrant a wait? Or would you advise other choices?

 He presently has a Trek 1420 that is about 15 years old; don't know 
 anything about that model.

 What about a Hunquapillar? -- too beefy/off road built? Sam Hillborne?

 Me, having owned a Sam Hill and now owning a Ram with clearance for 35 mm 
 Kojaks and fenders, I'd probably opt for the Ram for touring, flex be 
 damned.

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Re: [RBW] Discovering Freedom in Fewer Gears

2014-05-12 Thread Jim M.
On Sunday, May 11, 2014 2:11:24 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:


 -- get the Quickbeam (I'll outfit it with 32t/40t front rings and on the 
 rear a 16t/19t Dos Eno and a 22t bail out on the flip side).


To put a philosophical spin on it, that's not really single speeding, 
that's just a slow shifting mechanism. Still fun, though.

happy trails
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wc c

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[RBW] Riding Sandals for sweaty feet

2014-05-12 Thread Peter Morgano
I have no shame, I am a sweaty sweaty man. When I wrestled it was 4 t
shirts in 4 hours of practice. I love riding in my tevas but my wife has
commanded they now live outside due to the smell they are generating from
my sweaty feet. Anyone know of a sandal either leather or synthetic that
can help? I would rather just wear the sandals and be able to hop on the
bike, not put them on like a ritual before each ride. Thanks

Peter

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Re: [RBW] Riding Sandals for sweaty feet

2014-05-12 Thread Tim Gavin
Unless there are some seriously high-tech developments in footbed design,
the sweat at the bottom of the foot/under the toes has nowhere to go.
 Without the sock to absorb the foot sweat, the funk just builds up on
sandals.  They'd need a removable/washable footbed to stay unfunky, or
you'd have to regularly wash the whole sandal.

That's my experience, at least.

You could try deep-cleaning the tevas and venting the soles, maybe.
 Drillium!




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 I have no shame, I am a sweaty sweaty man. When I wrestled it was 4 t
 shirts in 4 hours of practice. I love riding in my tevas but my wife has
 commanded they now live outside due to the smell they are generating from
 my sweaty feet. Anyone know of a sandal either leather or synthetic that
 can help? I would rather just wear the sandals and be able to hop on the
 bike, not put them on like a ritual before each ride. Thanks

 Peter

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Re: [RBW] Riding Sandals for sweaty feet

2014-05-12 Thread Peter Morgano
Drillium Tevas...I am on last years pair and do have a drill...interesting
idea.


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tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.comwrote:

 Unless there are some seriously high-tech developments in footbed design,
 the sweat at the bottom of the foot/under the toes has nowhere to go.
  Without the sock to absorb the foot sweat, the funk just builds up on
 sandals.  They'd need a removable/washable footbed to stay unfunky, or
 you'd have to regularly wash the whole sandal.

 That's my experience, at least.

 You could try deep-cleaning the tevas and venting the soles, maybe.
  Drillium!




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 I have no shame, I am a sweaty sweaty man. When I wrestled it was 4 t
 shirts in 4 hours of practice. I love riding in my tevas but my wife has
 commanded they now live outside due to the smell they are generating from
 my sweaty feet. Anyone know of a sandal either leather or synthetic that
 can help? I would rather just wear the sandals and be able to hop on the
 bike, not put them on like a ritual before each ride. Thanks

 Peter

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[RBW] Re: Riding Sandals for sweaty feet

2014-05-12 Thread Deacon Patrick
Before going barefoot and with the shoes I use now, I wore huaraches, and 
the best company making them is: http://www.lunasandals.com.

How big are your feet? I could look and see what I have and if a pair might 
work for you. Let me know off list.

With abandon,
Patrick

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 I have no shame, I am a sweaty sweaty man. When I wrestled it was 4 t 
 shirts in 4 hours of practice. I love riding in my tevas but my wife has 
 commanded they now live outside due to the smell they are generating from 
 my sweaty feet. Anyone know of a sandal either leather or synthetic that 
 can help? I would rather just wear the sandals and be able to hop on the 
 bike, not put them on like a ritual before each ride. Thanks

 Peter


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[RBW] Re: Riding Sandals for sweaty feet

2014-05-12 Thread Deacon Patrick
There's also: http://xeroshoes.com/index-nav-mwc.php
(But I do not like their laces).

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Riding Sandals for sweaty feet

2014-05-12 Thread Tim Gavin
At least then the bottom of your feet will get more air.  I like tevas
because you can throw them in the washer.


On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote:

 Drillium Tevas...I am on last years pair and do have a drill...interesting
 idea.


 On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Tim Gavin tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.com
  wrote:

 Unless there are some seriously high-tech developments in footbed design,
 the sweat at the bottom of the foot/under the toes has nowhere to go.
  Without the sock to absorb the foot sweat, the funk just builds up on
 sandals.  They'd need a removable/washable footbed to stay unfunky, or
 you'd have to regularly wash the whole sandal.

 That's my experience, at least.

 You could try deep-cleaning the tevas and venting the soles, maybe.
  Drillium!




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 uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote:

  I have no shame, I am a sweaty sweaty man. When I wrestled it was 4 t
 shirts in 4 hours of practice. I love riding in my tevas but my wife has
 commanded they now live outside due to the smell they are generating from
 my sweaty feet. Anyone know of a sandal either leather or synthetic that
 can help? I would rather just wear the sandals and be able to hop on the
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Re: [RBW] Discovering Freedom in Fewer Gears

2014-05-12 Thread Deacon Patrick
True, though by that logic a single speed isn't a single speed if I put a 
different sized cog or two in my saddle bag. Grin. 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, May 12, 2014 2:04:27 PM UTC-6, Jim M. wrote:

 On Sunday, May 11, 2014 2:11:24 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:


 -- get the Quickbeam (I'll outfit it with 32t/40t front rings and on the 
 rear a 16t/19t Dos Eno and a 22t bail out on the flip side).


 To put a philosophical spin on it, that's not really single speeding, 
 that's just a slow shifting mechanism. Still fun, though.

 happy trails
 jim m
 wc c


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[RBW] Re: Riding Sandals for sweaty feet

2014-05-12 Thread Garth

Crocs.  they do not adsorb any moisture , so their is nothing to retain 
odors :)   You can rinse them after each ride, if you wish, and they take 
as long to dry of as it takes to wipe off the water !  Meaning: no time . 

  They have a bunch of different styles and fits.  I wear the Scutes , 
which are slide ons.  

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Re: [RBW] Discovering Freedom in Fewer Gears

2014-05-12 Thread Deacon Patrick
Sorry for the multiple posts, my brain's still clunking away at this. 
natural materials are going to be the best at oder fighting. A leather 
sandal won't stink up where a Teva would. Additionally, our whole family's 
sweat stopped stinking when we eliminated grains and veggie oils from our 
diet. One of the unexpected benefits.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Riding Sandals for sweaty feet

2014-05-12 Thread Dan Abelson
Maybe try getting 2 pairs of sandals and rotating them every day so they
have a chance to dry.

Maybe try Chaco sandals. I had odor issues with Keen Sandals but my Chacos
have been pretty good.

Dan Abelson
On May 12, 2014 3:07 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have no shame, I am a sweaty sweaty man. When I wrestled it was 4 t
 shirts in 4 hours of practice. I love riding in my tevas but my wife has
 commanded they now live outside due to the smell they are generating from
 my sweaty feet. Anyone know of a sandal either leather or synthetic that
 can help? I would rather just wear the sandals and be able to hop on the
 bike, not put them on like a ritual before each ride. Thanks

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fuji Touring Series IV, Rivish Makeover, Phase 1

2014-05-12 Thread Anton Tutter
Oh, functionally I see no issues with the routing and agree it might reduce 
bag interference.  It's purely an aesthetic issue for me, although I've 
never really had interference issues with the conventional routing and my 
handlebar bags.

Anton


On Monday, May 12, 2014 11:05:28 AM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:

 Interesting point about front bag interference, thanks for that comment. 
  I'm thinking of buying a large front back for randonneuring.

 Back on topic - awesome Fuji, love the build!


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 Anton, why not? For friction it makes little difference in function
 and greatly reduces bag interference issues.

 Bobby, how you like those shifters? Do they compete well with the
 ratchet and Retrofriction designs?

 =- Joe Bunik
 Walnut Creek, CA


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  What a gorgeous Touring Series IV!!  I'm not a huge fan of the 
 'concealed'
  bar-end cable routing, but a really nice specimen overall.
 
  On Saturday, May 10, 2014 9:28:03 PM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
 
  Found this all-original 1983 Fuji Touring Series on eBay last year, and
  have just finally gotten around to giving it a minor Rivish makeover. 
  I
  wanted to leave it as original as possible, but I simply had to give 
 it a
 
  Brooks saddle, swap the narrow touring bars and down tube shifters for
  wider bars (Noodle 48s with Dirt Drop stem) and bar-end shifters 
 (vintage
 
  Shimano, spring-loaded).  And although I would like to run fatter
  tires, width choices for 27 inch rims are very limited.  The wheels are
  beautiful, though (40-spoke rear, 36-spoke front) and I went with the
  widest 27x 1 1/4 tire I could find - Panaracer Paselas... It rides
  beautifully, so I will stick with the current setup for now (before
  considering changing to 700c wheels)..
 
  I will add racks, bags and fenders next.  This ride quality of this 
 bike
  is exceptional.  BB
 
 
  
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Re: [RBW] re: tires - I could be imagining things, but...I am thinking Cypres is good

2014-05-12 Thread Jan Heine
I think Steve is right, it would be hard to improve upon FMB. Their 
tubulars are pretty amazing. I used them in 'cross last season, and they 
were a dream. For their road tires, I think the tread could be improved 
(they use Challenge's treads for their wider tires), mostly to increase the 
longevity. Unfortunately, the Compass treads cannot be separated from the 
tires, so it's not possible to use them on an FMB tubular.

FMB doesn't make clinchers. François Marie (the FM of FMB) and I have 
talked about it, and in theory, it's possible, but the investment is 
considerable, and the learning curve is steep. It seems that at the moment, 
they are more than busy, and let's face it, the Compass Extralight tires 
are so nice that it is hard to see a large market for a tire that is twice 
as expensive, but not much faster, smoother or more comfortable.

Jan Heine
Compass Bicycles Ltd.
www.compasscycle.com

Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/



On Monday, May 12, 2014 11:34:47 AM UTC-7, Brewster Fong wrote:


 On Monday, May 12, 2014 11:22:09 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  On 05/12/2014 02:16 PM, Brewster Fong wrote:
  

 On Monday, May 12, 2014 10:37:43 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote: 

 Grand Bois changed their tire design significantly based on our tire 
 tests. At first, they used a casing that was similar to the Rolly-Poly/Jack 
 Brown/Maxy-Fasty. After our tests, they went back to the drawing board and 
 improved the design. The latest step in that direction are the Extra Léger 
 tires.

 The wire-bead version was the original version. History has shown that 
 they could be – and have been – improved.

 Disclosure: It's probably well-known by now that Bicycle Quarterly's 
 sister company, Compass Bicycles Ltd., imports Grand Bois tires...
  
  
 Jan,
  
 Are you planning on coming out with a tubular tire? I ask because several 
 of my friends are into these new lightweight carbon tubular wheelsets 
 (e.g., 1100 tp 1200 grams for the wheelset) and a set of super fast tires 
 based on your finding might make them even faster! And, let's face it, who 
 doesn't like light, fast wheels?! :)  Let us know. Thanks!
  

 How could Compass improve upon the FMB?

  
 Good question! However, Jan makes his GB tires sounds so much faster 
 than any clincher out there that I'm thinking he could work his magic on 
 tubulars too! May be another question is whether FMB makes a clincher tire 
 and if so, how does it compare to the GB?! Good Luck!  


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[RBW] FS: Feeler - thinking about selling my 56 DTT orange Waterford (canti) Sam Hillborne, racks and ready to ride

2014-05-12 Thread cbone97
After much deliberation, I'm considering selling my Sam.  Will update in a 
day or so and maybe do a flickr photo set if there's any interest.

I have, complete and ready to ride, a Sam as described in the subject line: 
orange dtt, waterford-made (if that matters to you) by all accounts (having 
the seat stay bridge with brake housing stop.  It is in great physical 
shape but cosmetically has many scratches and paint chips that the previous 
owner addressed with red fingernail polish.  So it looks a bit rough but 
that being said you don't really notice at first; it's not that bad but 
looks far from new.  The only physical thing is the tiny point of the lug 
at the top of the seat tube is bent away from the tube.  I could tap it 
with a small hammer and bend it back but it's so tiny and hardly noticeable 
I haven't yet.  Pics can show all these gory details if anyone is 
interested.  Otherwise, I had my LBS check out the frame and it's straight 
as an arrow.  No rust, no dents, rides perfect.  Most of the parts I've 
bought new (in 2013) and put very little wear on (less than 150 miles, 
probably less than 100).  See below.  

This bike is loaded and although I'd unload a few parts, I'd like to sell 
it as it sits.

Here's the list:
- Nitto R15 rear rack, like new
- Soma front rack, like new
- Riv grid grey large trunk sack, like new
- wheels are 36h Velocity Dyads on LX hubs.  The back shows a little use 
but I bought the front new.  Both are true. cassette, quick releases 
included.
- tires are Continental speed ride 42's (actually 38).  still have the 
little nipple things on them.
- Brooks B17 aged.  I bought it new.  Has one minor scuff but otherwise as 
new. Seatpost is Sam's stock as is headset and bb.
- cabling: is Yokozuna grey with brass ferrules.  looks sharp!
- Pletscher kickstand with rubber foot and shorty bolt.  new, again.
- Stem - Nitto Tallux 10 cm.  Yup, bought it new.
- Alba bars.  I traded for these.  a few scratches but otherwise dandy 
condition.
- Crane brass bell 26, slightly tarnished 
- Shimano LX all-silver rear derailer.  Riv sold these a while but 
apparently no more.  Looks sharp in all silver and again as new.
- Sugino wide/low double crank.  bought new.
- Grip King Pedals.  much newness.
- No front derailer, though I can make it happen if it matters.  I shift 
the front by hand (rarely) and the rear with a SunRace thumbie mounted to 
the stem.  Looks sharp and works great.
- Tektro CR720 brakes and velo orange $12 levers (simple and beefy, I love 
'em)

For EVERYTHING as listed above (if I left something out required for a bike 
to work, rest assured it's there as well), $18000. Would keep the crankset, 
brakes, and rear der. and replace with vintage but very nice Shimano XT 
brakes, lever/shifter combo, V-brakes, and a White Industries crank set for 
a $250 discount.  If you like V brakes and want a triple and index 
shifting, you'll still have a complete bike with nice components and $250 
more in the bank.  Just throwing that option out there as I'd reuse these 
parts on my next build.

Whew! Thanks for looking.  More later.

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Re: [RBW] New-to-me 64 cm Bombadil!

2014-05-12 Thread Tim Gavin
Lovely color!  You may as well touch up the scratches while the crank is
off.  Clear nail polish is better than nothing.

Maybe try different handlebars/shifters on your two Bombas, for their two
different purposes?


On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Tom Harrop twhar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 I posted on here a few weeks ago looking for a large Riv for trail riding.
 I'm pretty chuffed to report that someone over on the Large Bicycles list
 came through with a 64 cm Bombadil frame and fork. Nothing wrong with
 owning two Bombadils, right? (I already have a 68 cm Bombadil set up with
 racks, fenders and dynamo for commuting and touring). I've got plenty of
 time to think about how I'm going to build this one since I won't be able
 to work on it until the middle of June (international relocation in the
 meantime), but for now here's a pic of the frame...

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Re: [RBW] FS: Feeler - thinking about selling my 56 DTT orange Waterford (canti) Sam Hillborne, racks and ready to ride

2014-05-12 Thread Peter Morgano
Man $18k, prices are rising in the world of Rivendell!  :)


On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 5:34 PM, cbone97 cbon...@gmail.com wrote:

 After much deliberation, I'm considering selling my Sam.  Will update in a
 day or so and maybe do a flickr photo set if there's any interest.

 I have, complete and ready to ride, a Sam as described in the subject
 line: orange dtt, waterford-made (if that matters to you) by all accounts
 (having the seat stay bridge with brake housing stop.  It is in great
 physical shape but cosmetically has many scratches and paint chips that the
 previous owner addressed with red fingernail polish.  So it looks a bit
 rough but that being said you don't really notice at first; it's not that
 bad but looks far from new.  The only physical thing is the tiny point of
 the lug at the top of the seat tube is bent away from the tube.  I could
 tap it with a small hammer and bend it back but it's so tiny and hardly
 noticeable I haven't yet.  Pics can show all these gory details if anyone
 is interested.  Otherwise, I had my LBS check out the frame and it's
 straight as an arrow.  No rust, no dents, rides perfect.  Most of the parts
 I've bought new (in 2013) and put very little wear on (less than 150 miles,
 probably less than 100).  See below.

 This bike is loaded and although I'd unload a few parts, I'd like to sell
 it as it sits.

 Here's the list:
 - Nitto R15 rear rack, like new
 - Soma front rack, like new
 - Riv grid grey large trunk sack, like new
 - wheels are 36h Velocity Dyads on LX hubs.  The back shows a little use
 but I bought the front new.  Both are true. cassette, quick releases
 included.
 - tires are Continental speed ride 42's (actually 38).  still have the
 little nipple things on them.
 - Brooks B17 aged.  I bought it new.  Has one minor scuff but otherwise as
 new. Seatpost is Sam's stock as is headset and bb.
 - cabling: is Yokozuna grey with brass ferrules.  looks sharp!
 - Pletscher kickstand with rubber foot and shorty bolt.  new, again.
 - Stem - Nitto Tallux 10 cm.  Yup, bought it new.
 - Alba bars.  I traded for these.  a few scratches but otherwise dandy
 condition.
 - Crane brass bell 26, slightly tarnished
 - Shimano LX all-silver rear derailer.  Riv sold these a while but
 apparently no more.  Looks sharp in all silver and again as new.
 - Sugino wide/low double crank.  bought new.
 - Grip King Pedals.  much newness.
 - No front derailer, though I can make it happen if it matters.  I shift
 the front by hand (rarely) and the rear with a SunRace thumbie mounted to
 the stem.  Looks sharp and works great.
 - Tektro CR720 brakes and velo orange $12 levers (simple and beefy, I love
 'em)

 For EVERYTHING as listed above (if I left something out required for a
 bike to work, rest assured it's there as well), $18000. Would keep the
 crankset, brakes, and rear der. and replace with vintage but very nice
 Shimano XT brakes, lever/shifter combo, V-brakes, and a White Industries
 crank set for a $250 discount.  If you like V brakes and want a triple and
 index shifting, you'll still have a complete bike with nice components and
 $250 more in the bank.  Just throwing that option out there as I'd reuse
 these parts on my next build.

 Whew! Thanks for looking.  More later.

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[RBW] Re: New-to-me 64 cm Bombadil!

2014-05-12 Thread Deacon Patrick
That is going to be one fantastic trail bike, Tom! And given your first 
name, two Bombadils only seems fitting. Just be sure to leave the frame in 
share or at most dappled sunlight of the deep forest lest the chocolate 
goodness melt away. Grin. 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, May 12, 2014 3:25:53 PM UTC-6, Tom Harrop wrote:

 Hi all,

 I posted on here a few weeks ago looking for a large Riv for trail riding. 
 I'm pretty chuffed to report that someone over on the Large Bicycles list 
 came through with a 64 cm Bombadil frame and fork. Nothing wrong with 
 owning two Bombadils, right? (I already have a 68 cm Bombadil set up with 
 racks, fenders and dynamo for commuting and touring). I've got plenty of 
 time to think about how I'm going to build this one since I won't be able 
 to work on it until the middle of June (international relocation in the 
 meantime), but for now here's a pic of the frame...

 Tom


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[RBW] Re: tires - I could be imagining things, but...I am thinking Cypres is good

2014-05-12 Thread eflayer
So if the Cypres is actually a Grand Bois-branded product. Is there a 
similar/better Compass-branded 700 x 32-ish?
On Monday, May 12, 2014 7:35:44 AM UTC-7, eflayer wrote:

  
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  I just replaced the tires on my newest commuter-y type bike, the New 
 Albion Privateer. It is a pretty stout steel steed. I was running Maxxis 
 Refuse 700x28 folding tires at 85 psi. I thought maybe they might have been 
 making the stoutness feel even more stout - a bit harsh and BUMPY. And the 
 bike seemed unfast, ie slow.

 I installed a pair of Compass *Cypres* 700x32 tanwalls at about 70 psi. 
 Maybe the most pronounced ride-feel difference I have ever felt doing a 
 parts/tire switch. Now the ride is more like bouncing a good basketball on 
 a wood floor and it just seems way zippier...but I could be imagining 
 things. 


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[RBW] Re: Riding Sandals for sweaty feet

2014-05-12 Thread Liesl
Hi Peter,

These are great handmade sandals that are comfy and tough.  Not so smelly 
and you can wipe 'em down with a sponge and saddle soap.  Highly 
recommended.

https://www.pipersandals.com/

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[RBW] Re: New-to-me 64 cm Bombadil!

2014-05-12 Thread Tom Harrop
Thanks guys. Yep, the 68 has noodles with bar ends at the moment and I'm 
planning to go with bullmooses and thumbies on this one. Maybe green 
bartape over the grips with dark shellack will complement the brown 
nicely...

Good point about the scratches, might as well cover them up while they're 
easy to get to. I'm sure I'll be making a few more, though.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Discovering Freedom in Fewer Gears

2014-05-12 Thread Ryan
Exactly what you said. I don't ride fixed...I admire those who do, but I 
really, really love riding the PX-10 as an SS. Now, granted, in Winnipeg, 
we do not have any real seroius hills but we do have wind. I usually will 
coast a bit on slight downhills , to stretch and move around , but I try 
not to coast otherwise. I can see where riding fixed would make you 
stronger and smoother, but even riding a single-speed freewheel helps me , 
I think.It puts me in a nice Zenlike state. My gear ratio will impress 
no-one. I'm running a 20 WI ENO on the back, and I run the middle ring of 
an XTR crank (on one of those VO press-fit BBs)...so the middle ring is 
probably a 36. With a tailwing or a downhill grade, I'll spin out...but 
that's OK. I have a bit of a dodgy right knee, so this combo  works for me 
for road and gravel riding..
 
Fixed or free, there's a purity and simplicity to riding one gear that I  
just love
 
Ryan in Winnipeg
 
On Sunday, May 11, 2014 3:07:16 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 For me the fun comes from having to adapt and pace yourself to conditions, 
 rather than modifying conditions, to some extent, by different ratios. It's 
 half skill at anticipating, knowing your limits, and pacing yourself so 
 that you don't fall over and die half way up a steep hill, and half just 
 the ego-inflating fun of beating a hill or a wind without conceding 
 anything by gearing down.  

 To these two halves, you add another quarter or so that comes from the 
 pure simplicity of it all. 125% pure fun!




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Re: [RBW] Re: tires - I could be imagining things, but...I am thinking Cypres is good

2014-05-12 Thread Steve Palincsar

On 05/12/2014 05:57 PM, eflayer wrote:
So if the Cypres is actually a Grand Bois-branded product. Is there a 
similar/better Compass-branded 700 x 32-ish?


http://www.compasscycle.com/tires_comp_700_32.html
Stampede Pass

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[RBW] Re: FS: Feeler - thinking about selling my 56 DTT orange Waterford (canti) Sam Hillborne, racks and ready to ride

2014-05-12 Thread cbone97
Oops! That would be $1800, not $18,000.

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Re: [RBW] Re: tires - I could be imagining things, but...I am thinking Cypres is good

2014-05-12 Thread Eric Norris
I have these on the Motobecane-Formerly-Known-As-Patrick's. Like them a lot. 
They handled the unpaved section of the Davis Double flawlessly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M08gWcJd8Mfeature=sharelist=UUccfA4NuyWU3-YaUf9LkNwA
 

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On May 12, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On 05/12/2014 05:57 PM, eflayer wrote:
 So if the Cypres is actually a Grand Bois-branded product. Is there a 
 similar/better Compass-branded 700 x 32-ish?
 
 http://www.compasscycle.com/tires_comp_700_32.html
 Stampede Pass
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Feeler - thinking about selling my 56 DTT orange Waterford (canti) Sam Hillborne, racks and ready to ride

2014-05-12 Thread Steve Palincsar

On 05/12/2014 06:34 PM, cbone97 wrote:

Oops! That would be $1800, not $18,000.



After that whole Riv water bottle thread I really wasn't sure.


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Feeler - thinking about selling my 56 DTT orange Waterford (canti) Sam Hillborne, racks and ready to ride

2014-05-12 Thread Charles Bone
Oh yeah, 2 MUSA water bottles included.



On May 12, 2014, at 5:44 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 05/12/2014 06:34 PM, cbone97 wrote:
 Oops! That would be $1800, not $18,000.
 
 
 After that whole Riv water bottle thread I really wasn't sure.
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Feeler - thinking about selling my 56 DTT orange Waterford (canti) Sam Hillborne, racks and ready to ride

2014-05-12 Thread Steve Palincsar

On 05/12/2014 06:49 PM, Charles Bone wrote:

Oh yeah, 2 MUSA water bottles included.


well, for 18 thousand dollars I should think so!





On May 12, 2014, at 5:44 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:


On 05/12/2014 06:34 PM, cbone97 wrote:

Oops! That would be $1800, not $18,000.


After that whole Riv water bottle thread I really wasn't sure.


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[RBW] Re: Atlantis as touring bike: best choice?

2014-05-12 Thread Frank Brose
What size does said surgeon ride? I'm considering parting ways with my 
Atlantis. As much as I enjoy it, time for riding is limited, I have no 
plans for another tour and I have others to ride that get my ya-ya's out.

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 4:56:17 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 I know that the Atlantis is R's most popular model (I think it is anyway) 
 and I know many listmembers use them for touring. I asked this question on 
 the iBoblist and got many responses, but perhaps asking it here in a more 
 focused fashion will raise more guiding advice about the choice as loaded 
 touring bike of the Atlantis in particular.

 I have a client who is a surgeon (ie, he can afford what he wants) who 
 wants to do some loaded touring. We got to talking and I quickly 
 recommended the Atlantis, and he was very interested.

 I got an email from him yesterday; apparently he had called Rivendell to 
 ask for their catalogue and discovered that there is a 5 month waiting list 
 for the Atlantis.

 My question to yawl is: considering other possibilities from the LHT to a 
 custom Bruce Gordon, is the Atlantis, *as touring bike*, special enough to 
 warrant a wait? Or would you advise other choices?

 He presently has a Trek 1420 that is about 15 years old; don't know 
 anything about that model.

 What about a Hunquapillar? -- too beefy/off road built? Sam Hillborne?

 Me, having owned a Sam Hill and now owning a Ram with clearance for 35 mm 
 Kojaks and fenders, I'd probably opt for the Ram for touring, flex be 
 damned.

 Thanks, Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: tires - I could be imagining things, but...I am thinking Cypres is good

2014-05-12 Thread Deacon Patrick
Thanks for the video, Eric. That helps answer my last remaining question 
before I put the Barlow Pass Compass tires at the top of my list.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, May 12, 2014 4:37:39 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:

 I have these on the Motobecane-Formerly-Known-As-Patrick’s. Like them a 
 lot. They handled the unpaved section of the Davis Double flawlessly:


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M08gWcJd8Mfeature=sharelist=UUccfA4NuyWU3-YaUf9LkNwA
  

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 On May 12, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Steve Palincsar pali...@his.comjavascript: 
 wrote:

 On 05/12/2014 05:57 PM, eflayer wrote:

 So if the Cypres is actually a Grand Bois-branded product. Is there a 
 similar/better Compass-branded 700 x 32-ish?


 http://www.compasscycle.com/tires_comp_700_32.html
 Stampede Pass

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Re: [RBW] re: tires - I could be imagining things, but...I am thinking Cypres is good

2014-05-12 Thread ted
Do I recall correctly that Jan has said elsewhere that the EL casings were 
developed from the mfg's high end tubular casing?

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[RBW] Re: Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

2014-05-12 Thread ted
Most likely, perhaps the weight off you would seem a bigger difference for 
esoteric and dubious reasons. To first order a lb is a lb, be it love handles 
on you, a jar in a bag, or part of your bike.
The siren call of component and frame weight obsession is in close quarters 
with the lure of instant gratification. You may be able to buy a lighter bike 
today, and it may take longer or seem harder to loose some weight.

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Re: [RBW] re: tires - I could be imagining things, but...I am thinking Cypres is good

2014-05-12 Thread Bruce Herbitter
I'll have to work through my back stock of tires Jan before I can justify
ordering something new, although there are a number of new tires in the
market to look at including the Compass offerings.

Thanks for the back ground info however. we lose track so quickly of how
bikes and components came to be what they are today.


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 Grand Bois changed their tire design significantly based on our tire
 tests. At first, they used a casing that was similar to the Rolly-Poly/Jack
 Brown/Maxy-Fasty. After our tests, they went back to the drawing board and
 improved the design. The latest step in that direction are the Extra Léger
 tires.

 The wire-bead version was the original version. History has shown that
 they could be – and have been – improved.

 Disclosure: It's probably well-known by now that Bicycle Quarterly's
 sister company, Compass Bicycles Ltd., imports Grand Bois tires...

 Jan Heine
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 Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/

 On Monday, May 12, 2014 9:16:54 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:

 I have been running Cypres on my Riv Road for a few years and like them a
 lot. The kevlar bead ones. There was also a steel bead at one time that I
 tried and did not like.

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Re: [RBW] Riding Sandals for sweaty feet

2014-05-12 Thread Bruce Herbitter
Wool socks might help a lot. Wool does not support bacterial growth (the
scent source) and basically, doesn't smell.


On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.comwrote:

 I have no shame, I am a sweaty sweaty man. When I wrestled it was 4 t
 shirts in 4 hours of practice. I love riding in my tevas but my wife has
 commanded they now live outside due to the smell they are generating from
 my sweaty feet. Anyone know of a sandal either leather or synthetic that
 can help? I would rather just wear the sandals and be able to hop on the
 bike, not put them on like a ritual before each ride. Thanks

 Peter

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[RBW] The best bike ever?

2014-05-12 Thread Iron Rider
A blogpost on what may be the best bike ever. 

 http://eprider.blogspot.com/2014/05/why-my-bicycle-is-better-than-yours.html

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[RBW] Review - Compass 700c tires-26

2014-05-12 Thread Joan Oppel
I took a leap and purchased a set of Cayuse Pass, 700c x 26 tires from Compass, in early April. They've been ridden about 420 miles - and I really like them a lot. Definitely a cushy, pleasant ride. Without question the following is a subjective judgment: I think they are faster than my previous tires, Vittoria Rubino Pro. The Cayuse Pass mount easily on Mavic Open Pro rims, less easily on DT Swiss rims. They show no wear at all after the 420 miles (I just had them off and checked them over today). And they've been used on some of the worst roads I've seen in a long time, after our horrible winter here in the Maryland, Virginia, DC area. Yesterday, during a rural ride, the roads seemed to be one pothole or rut or plow-scraped surface after another. One 3 mile stretch was barely what could be called paved, just one little hole after another. I also rode them in rural Tennessee for a week, on little one lane roads last paved a long time ago. All that is to say, I've used them on a mix of surfaces, even some short sections of gravel.I think they are great tires, so I wanted to pass along the early review. Longevity, I guess, remains to be seen. Oh, I should mention: zero flats.Joan



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[RBW] Re: Review - Compass 700c tires-26

2014-05-12 Thread Deacon Patrick
Brilliant, Joan! Thank you and that's wonderful to know.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Review - Compass 700c tires-26

2014-05-12 Thread Tim Gavin
I've been using the Grand Bois Cerf Blue 700 x 26c tires on my gofast
(Giordana) for a year or so.  Lots of smiles, tons of miles, no flats.

I'm a big guy so I ride them around 90psi.

Tim


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 Brilliant, Joan! Thank you and that's wonderful to know.

 With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] re: tires - I could be imagining things, but...I am thinking Cypres is good

2014-05-12 Thread Jan Heine
That is correct. There has been a lot of discussion between Grand Bois, 
Compass and Panaracer about how to make the ultimate clincher tires...

Jan Heine

On Monday, May 12, 2014 4:38:30 PM UTC-7, ted wrote:

 Do I recall correctly that Jan has said elsewhere that the EL casings were 
 developed from the mfg's high end tubular casing?

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[RBW] FS: Carradice Barley, Carradice QR Support, 2 x Axiom Panniers

2014-05-12 Thread DS
Putting these up for sale to save up for a medium or large sackville 
saddlesack and thought I'd try the list here before ebay. Let me know if 
anyone is interested. It will be about a week before I can ship or do a 
pickup. Let me know if interested. I have pictures I can send as well. Can 
combine shipping. Subtract $10 if you can pick up locally in Oakland.

$75 shipped - Carradice Barley Black w/ White Straps, really good condition 
except a little wear where the tire was rubbing against the bag for 1-2 
rides (that area is slightly faded, not hugely noticeable). New $115 list, 
bought a year ago: 
https://carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=productunder=typeproduct_id=43

$45 shipped - Carradice QR ($63 new, used less than 5 rides): 
http://www.carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=productunder=rangeurl=bagman-quick-release-sport-original

$50 shipped - 2 x Axiom Lasalle panniers:(discontinued model, bought new 
for ~$100 3/2009, used for one overnight camping trip and a handful of 
grocery runs, has been in storage with some other camping gear for for the 
last 3 years): 
http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222342379/395/Axiom-Lasalle-Front-or-Rear.html

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[RBW] Re: Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

2014-05-12 Thread Michael


 The thought that being 25lbs. overweight is like carrying around another 
 bike on you is an eye opening statement.

I don't think for a non-racer like me I would benefit from shaving bike 
weight.
I need to ride more and eat less.

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[RBW] Re: Riding Sandals for sweaty feet

2014-05-12 Thread Michael


 Luna and xero sandals sound interesting, but can you bike ride with them 
 comfortably?

Or do you need barefoot pedals also to do this? 

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[RBW] Re: Losing Bike weight vs. Rider weight. Which one more effectively makes you go faster?

2014-05-12 Thread IanA
I support you in that ambition!  Needing to do the same.

On Monday, May 12, 2014 10:56:14 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:

 The thought that being 25lbs. overweight is like carrying around another 
 bike on you is an eye opening statement.

 I don't think for a non-racer like me I would benefit from shaving bike 
 weight.
 I need to ride more and eat less.


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