[RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!
I like the Karen bell best, both large and small sizes. The small size has a better mount. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aP2050003.jpg In fact, I used the mount from the small bell to mount the large bell here. On Saturday, July 26, 2014 11:34:32 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: So I was in my LBS today, swapping some tubes for my wife's 700c, Shraeder Raleigh. I poked around and saw they had Crane Hammer Strike Suzu bells in stock : copper, brass, aluminum. I have been wanting a silver one to match my silver components on my Rivbikes. Here is what I discovered. *The brass goes :* blnnng(sssiaaarrrnnnggg) (rolling overtones in parenths) Crystal clear sonorous sound. Complex overtones. Low note, trolley sounding bell. I love the sound. The brass is beautiful and a rich looking color. *The Copper goes:* Dng. Not much in the way of overtones. Fundamental tone. Crystal clear and also nice. Higher tone if I remember than the brass. But the color is dull and not as pretty as pictured on websites. *The aluminium goes :* Plunk. Dull, muffled tone, like someone stuffed it with felt or something. I even looked inside to see if anything was dampening the sound. All three in stock were devoid of packaging material and were plunky toned. No packing in the dome. The silver color is dull and flat. So I guess I like the brass best. It sounds best to my ears, and is cool when it ages and gets all patina-ed up. I have one from RBW already and hope to get another in the next order. What would really be great is a *real* 1 headset spacer hammer bell. *Which of the crane suzu hammer striker bell metals do you like best?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Updated Legolas pics after a great day on the bike
Looks awesome! Sounds like a fun bike. Can't wait to try those Barlows. KJ On Saturday, July 26, 2014 8:16:39 PM UTC-4, reynoldslugs wrote: Hi bobs and Rivendell riders - updated Legolas pictures here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157645542691980/ Added a sugino wide range double, Barlow Pass tires, new Selle Anatomica Seat and Cork Grip. This bike was hatched as a 1 x 9 cx racer; now it's a 2x9, a very fun, very comfy day tripper. With the addition of the 38 mm Barlow Pass tires,the bike is remarkably fun and comfortable. We just did 5k' of climbing over 50 miles of Sonoma County's best today - - Ft Ross Road, down the iconic Meyers Grade Descent, down Pacific Coast Highway to Cafe Aquatica, thence to Coleman Valley Road, and back to the valley. A fabulous day, fabulous ride, and fabulous bike. Max B Santa Rosa, CA pardon the cross post -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!
Spot-on with the descriptions. That sustained Dingg.. of the Crane brass bell is like the after-flavors of a good wine, the lingering taste of a perfectly-brewed cup of Columbian coffee, the follow-through of a beautiful golf swing or that precisely-placed Frisbee throw Funny, who could have ever imagined that a little bell could bring such richness to life... :) Peace BB On Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:20:27 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote: I like the Karen bell best, both large and small sizes. The small size has a better mount. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aP2050003.jpg In fact, I used the mount from the small bell to mount the large bell here. On Saturday, July 26, 2014 11:34:32 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: So I was in my LBS today, swapping some tubes for my wife's 700c, Shraeder Raleigh. I poked around and saw they had Crane Hammer Strike Suzu bells in stock : copper, brass, aluminum. I have been wanting a silver one to match my silver components on my Rivbikes. Here is what I discovered. *The brass goes :* blnnng(sssiaaarrrnnnggg) (rolling overtones in parenths) Crystal clear sonorous sound. Complex overtones. Low note, trolley sounding bell. I love the sound. The brass is beautiful and a rich looking color. *The Copper goes:* Dng. Not much in the way of overtones. Fundamental tone. Crystal clear and also nice. Higher tone if I remember than the brass. But the color is dull and not as pretty as pictured on websites. *The aluminium goes :* Plunk. Dull, muffled tone, like someone stuffed it with felt or something. I even looked inside to see if anything was dampening the sound. All three in stock were devoid of packaging material and were plunky toned. No packing in the dome. The silver color is dull and flat. So I guess I like the brass best. It sounds best to my ears, and is cool when it ages and gets all patina-ed up. I have one from RBW already and hope to get another in the next order. What would really be great is a *real* 1 headset spacer hammer bell. *Which of the crane suzu hammer striker bell metals do you like best?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
As Technology Makes Bicycles Lighter and Faster, It’s the Cyclists Falling Harder http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/sports/cycling/as-technology-makes-bicycles-lighter-and-faster-it8217s-the-cyclists-falling-harder.html?ref=sports_r=0 “Anyone in a team who’s being honest with you will tell you how frequently their bikes are breaking; everybody knows,” said Mark Greve, a physician and assistant professor of sports medicine at Brown University who studied injuries to 3,500 competitive cyclists. “Few people in the public appreciate how many bikes a pro team will go through in a season, because they break for one reason or another. The bikes, they completely explode.” (The link might be gated. Try Googling the headline to find a free source if you hit a paywall.) -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!
Buy your proper sized one-inch headset spacer bell mounts from Velo Orange LINK http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/bells/spacer-bell-mount.html On Saturday, July 26, 2014 9:34:32 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote: So I was in my LBS today, swapping some tubes for my wife's 700c, Shraeder Raleigh. I poked around and saw they had Crane Hammer Strike Suzu bells in stock : copper, brass, aluminum. I have been wanting a silver one to match my silver components on my Rivbikes. Here is what I discovered. *The brass goes :* blnnng(sssiaaarrrnnnggg) (rolling overtones in parenths) Crystal clear sonorous sound. Complex overtones. Low note, trolley sounding bell. I love the sound. The brass is beautiful and a rich looking color. *The Copper goes:* Dng. Not much in the way of overtones. Fundamental tone. Crystal clear and also nice. Higher tone if I remember than the brass. But the color is dull and not as pretty as pictured on websites. *The aluminium goes :* Plunk. Dull, muffled tone, like someone stuffed it with felt or something. I even looked inside to see if anything was dampening the sound. All three in stock were devoid of packaging material and were plunky toned. No packing in the dome. The silver color is dull and flat. So I guess I like the brass best. It sounds best to my ears, and is cool when it ages and gets all patina-ed up. I have one from RBW already and hope to get another in the next order. What would really be great is a *real* 1 headset spacer hammer bell. *Which of the crane suzu hammer striker bell metals do you like best?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?
As a further evolution of my bike preferences, I've decided to build up a dedicated single-speed bike. My Devil frameset would work well for this but I want to use 26 wheels. My 83-84 MTB has the right dropouts but it's just not that much fun to ride. I think my mid-life crisis is revolving around bicycles instead of sports cars and I want a bike to recreate my childhood riding. I've set my sights on some vintage MTB framesets with the forward-facing dropouts. Right now the leader is the early 90's Rockhoppers. From what I can find, they are all cro-mo, have the shorter chainstays I like, have reasonable top-tube lengths and have the all-important dropouts. I'd love to pick up a sporty geometry Stumpjumper with the really good tubing but right now I don't want to spend the time it would take to find one. Plus, I'm not even sure the Stumpjumper with the geometry and dropouts I want even exists. My biggest question is going to be tires. I'm currently running a set of 55mm Big Apples but one is defective and by the time I figured out it was the tire and not the wheel, the window for returning it had passed. I'm thinking 2.0 Kojaks, the largest Racer or the Compass 44mm tires will be what I will go with. This will literally be a bike that probably never leaves the neighborhood. We have a very large greenbelt with concrete sidewalk paths throughout. If I pick the right time of day (or if weather is questionable) there are virtually no pedestrians and the sight-lines are so long that it's easy to completely avoid them all-together if there are any out. There isn't a single straight stretch of sidewalk in this whole network so it's a perfect twisty-curvy path to blast down on nimble 26 wheels. I'll keep my Devil as my geared bike but I suspect my SS will get the bulk of my riding once I've got one. On Monday, March 24, 2014 5:34:38 AM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: I've cabled up one bike and it was such a tedious and frustrating event that I now just take it to an LBS and let them do it. Hopefully I'll get the bike back today or tomorrow. On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:05:20 PM UTC-5, jpp wrote: Hopefully someday your tastes evolve into putting shifter/brake cables and a chain on a bike, but to each their own!!! Only kidding On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:55:09 PM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: My bike preferences continue to evolove and I've recently been riding and 83-84 MTB, one of those bikes with 48cm chainstays and a wheelbase of 1120mm. HUGE bike and I'm really enjoying it!! I liked the short chainstays of the Troll and Karate Monkey but I also like the long stays of this old MTB. Riding this bike has really reignited my interest in the Bombadil and the Hunqapillar so I'm looking forward to hearing more about this proto-hunq that was unveiled yesterday. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!
Spurcycle makes the best bell I have found. It is really nice, however it does not have quite the classic look as a brass bell. It is stunning in it's perfection and tooling. I have one on my Atlantis and have ordered another for my mountain bike. Expensive for a bell, but worth it. Clay On Saturday, July 26, 2014 9:34:32 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote: So I was in my LBS today, swapping some tubes for my wife's 700c, Shraeder Raleigh. I poked around and saw they had Crane Hammer Strike Suzu bells in stock : copper, brass, aluminum. I have been wanting a silver one to match my silver components on my Rivbikes. Here is what I discovered. *The brass goes :* blnnng(sssiaaarrrnnnggg) (rolling overtones in parenths) Crystal clear sonorous sound. Complex overtones. Low note, trolley sounding bell. I love the sound. The brass is beautiful and a rich looking color. *The Copper goes:* Dng. Not much in the way of overtones. Fundamental tone. Crystal clear and also nice. Higher tone if I remember than the brass. But the color is dull and not as pretty as pictured on websites. *The aluminium goes :* Plunk. Dull, muffled tone, like someone stuffed it with felt or something. I even looked inside to see if anything was dampening the sound. All three in stock were devoid of packaging material and were plunky toned. No packing in the dome. The silver color is dull and flat. So I guess I like the brass best. It sounds best to my ears, and is cool when it ages and gets all patina-ed up. I have one from RBW already and hope to get another in the next order. What would really be great is a *real* 1 headset spacer hammer bell. *Which of the crane suzu hammer striker bell metals do you like best?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Tagua nut'tons
Deacon gets the best sentence of the day award for: My experience with Tagua nut'tons is they're nuts as a button. That's not nuts. -JimD On Jul 26, 2014, at 12:27 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: My experience with Tagua nut'tons is they're nuts as a button. They do not have a long life. I've embraced this reality and have a fairly eclectic set of replacement buttons on my shirts. My only rule is no unicorns or rainbows. I got a flower though. Grin. https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/13974734143/in/photolist- With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, July 26, 2014 12:48:08 PM UTC-6, AaronY wrote: Hey Gang, The tagua nut buttons on my MUSA shirt keep breaking. I've replaced them with other tagua nut buttons, but still they break. I'm about ready to go back to good old reliable plastic buttons, but does anyone have another suggestion for a button that a classy hobo might use? Thanks, Aaron Stay Classy, San Diego Young The Dalles, OR -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
What? The utterance of Specialized's marketing shill -- sorry, I meant, Company Representative -- didn't reassure you???!!! Chris Riekert, a spokesman for Specialized http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bikes?gclid=CLahiKKi478CFQto7AodHl8A0w, an American company that supplies bikes to three Tour teams, said in a statement, “Carbon gives our engineers the ability to produce *much stronger and *lighter products than traditional steel or alloy by letting us put more material in high stress areas to ensure performance and safety in real world riding conditions.” Seriously, all: let us scrupulously distinguish between carbon fiber itself and the stupid light paradigm. Jan Heine reviewed what looked to be a very practical and nice riding rando bike done in CF by Calfee in a recent issue of BQ. On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: As Technology Makes Bicycles Lighter and Faster, It’s the Cyclists Falling Harder http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/sports/cycling/as-technology-makes-bicycles-lighter-and-faster-it8217s-the-cyclists-falling-harder.html?ref=sports_r=0 “Anyone in a team who’s being honest with you will tell you how frequently their bikes are breaking; everybody knows,” said Mark Greve, a physician and assistant professor of sports medicine at Brown University who studied injuries to 3,500 competitive cyclists. “Few people in the public appreciate how many bikes a pro team will go through in a season, because they break for one reason or another. The bikes, they completely explode.” (The link might be gated. Try Googling the headline to find a free source if you hit a paywall.) -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis * * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.* * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where in your time and your body can they be?* * Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
that is a true statement. It would be false if he said carbon was much tougher, because poor toughness is the problem with carbon. On Sunday, July 27, 2014 12:57:46 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: What? The utterance of Specialized's marketing shill -- sorry, I meant, Company Representative -- didn't reassure you???!!! Chris Riekert, a spokesman for Specialized http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bikes?gclid=CLahiKKi478CFQto7AodHl8A0w, an American company that supplies bikes to three Tour teams, said in a statement, “Carbon gives our engineers the ability to produce *much stronger and *lighter products than traditional steel or alloy by letting us put more material in high stress areas to ensure performance and safety in real world riding conditions.” Seriously, all: let us scrupulously distinguish between carbon fiber itself and the stupid light paradigm. Jan Heine reviewed what looked to be a very practical and nice riding rando bike done in CF by Calfee in a recent issue of BQ. On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: As Technology Makes Bicycles Lighter and Faster, It’s the Cyclists Falling Harder http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/sports/cycling/as-technology-makes-bicycles-lighter-and-faster-it8217s-the-cyclists-falling-harder.html?ref=sports_r=0 “Anyone in a team who’s being honest with you will tell you how frequently their bikes are breaking; everybody knows,” said Mark Greve, a physician and assistant professor of sports medicine at Brown University who studied injuries to 3,500 competitive cyclists. “Few people in the public appreciate how many bikes a pro team will go through in a season, because they break for one reason or another. The bikes, they completely explode.” (The link might be gated. Try Googling the headline to find a free source if you hit a paywall.) -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis * * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.* * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where in your time and your body can they be?* * Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
Greve and Perovic agreed that for consumers who are not constantly banging their bikes around on team vehicles and who are unlikely to be involved in crashes, the risks in buying a carbon bike made by a reputable company should be minimal. Meanwhile, back in the real world of bicycling, consumers DO bang their bikes about loading onto not only cars but trains, buses, dragging up stairs, locking to posts, etc., etc. Contrast ... very costly throwaway items if they crash. with ...a bike you can grow old with. Stories like this just make me appreciate my Atlantis even more. It's survived my mis-treatment as well as that of many shippers. Can you imagine how nervous one would be watching their carbon bike disappear into the depths of the Amtrak baggage car? dougP On Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:09:02 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: As Technology Makes Bicycles Lighter and Faster, It’s the Cyclists Falling Harder http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/sports/cycling/as-technology-makes-bicycles-lighter-and-faster-it8217s-the-cyclists-falling-harder.html?ref=sports_r=0 “Anyone in a team who’s being honest with you will tell you how frequently their bikes are breaking; everybody knows,” said Mark Greve, a physician and assistant professor of sports medicine at Brown University who studied injuries to 3,500 competitive cyclists. “Few people in the public appreciate how many bikes a pro team will go through in a season, because they break for one reason or another. The bikes, they completely explode.” (The link might be gated. Try Googling the headline to find a free source if you hit a paywall.) -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!
Curious enough to look it up. Real nice, but yeah, kinda' spendy. http://spurcycle.com/bell.html Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:31 AM, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: Spurcycle makes the best bell I have found. It is really nice, however it does not have quite the classic look as a brass bell. It is stunning in it's perfection and tooling. I have one on my Atlantis and have ordered another for my mountain bike. Expensive for a bell, but worth it. Clay On Saturday, July 26, 2014 9:34:32 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote: So I was in my LBS today, swapping some tubes for my wife's 700c, Shraeder Raleigh. I poked around and saw they had Crane Hammer Strike Suzu bells in stock : copper, brass, aluminum. I have been wanting a silver one to match my silver components on my Rivbikes. Here is what I discovered. *The brass goes :* blnnng(sssiaaarrrnnnggg) (rolling overtones in parenths) Crystal clear sonorous sound. Complex overtones. Low note, trolley sounding bell. I love the sound. The brass is beautiful and a rich looking color. *The Copper goes:* Dng. Not much in the way of overtones. Fundamental tone. Crystal clear and also nice. Higher tone if I remember than the brass. But the color is dull and not as pretty as pictured on websites. *The aluminium goes :* Plunk. Dull, muffled tone, like someone stuffed it with felt or something. I even looked inside to see if anything was dampening the sound. All three in stock were devoid of packaging material and were plunky toned. No packing in the dome. The silver color is dull and flat. So I guess I like the brass best. It sounds best to my ears, and is cool when it ages and gets all patina-ed up. I have one from RBW already and hope to get another in the next order. What would really be great is a *real* 1 headset spacer hammer bell. *Which of the crane suzu hammer striker bell metals do you like best?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
Again, a very large *distinguo* that has nothing to do with terminological quibbling: I daresay (I accept it on faith; no evidence other than scuttle butt, but personally I think it is, *grosso modo*, true) that Specialized *can* build bikes out of CF that are stronger -- in the sense of lasting longer -- than of steel or alloy -- stupid name for aluminum; but the *actual* bikes *built *for dentists -- sorry, racers -- are not, from the anecdotal evidence, stronger than your garden variety Sam Hillborne. On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: that is a true statement. It would be false if he said carbon was much tougher, because poor toughness is the problem with carbon. On Sunday, July 27, 2014 12:57:46 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: What? The utterance of Specialized's marketing shill -- sorry, I meant, Company Representative -- didn't reassure you???!!! Chris Riekert, a spokesman for Specialized http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bikes?gclid=CLahiKKi478CFQto7AodHl8A0w, an American company that supplies bikes to three Tour teams, said in a statement, “Carbon gives our engineers the ability to produce *much stronger and *lighter products than traditional steel or alloy by letting us put more material in high stress areas to ensure performance and safety in real world riding conditions.” Seriously, all: let us scrupulously distinguish between carbon fiber itself and the stupid light paradigm. Jan Heine reviewed what looked to be a very practical and nice riding rando bike done in CF by Calfee in a recent issue of BQ. On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.com wrote: As Technology Makes Bicycles Lighter and Faster, It’s the Cyclists Falling Harder http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/27/sports/cycling/as- technology-makes-bicycles-lighter-and-faster-it8217s- the-cyclists-falling-harder.html?ref=sports_r=0 “Anyone in a team who’s being honest with you will tell you how frequently their bikes are breaking; everybody knows,” said Mark Greve, a physician and assistant professor of sports medicine at Brown University who studied injuries to 3,500 competitive cyclists. “Few people in the public appreciate how many bikes a pro team will go through in a season, because they break for one reason or another. The bikes, they completely explode.” (The link might be gated. Try Googling the headline to find a free source if you hit a paywall.) -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis * * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.* * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where in your time and your body can they be?* * Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore
Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!
Beautiful but how it says they don't rust, one of the nice parts of a brass bell is watching it age and oxidize, and the sound is so unique. On Jul 27, 2014 2:11 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Curious enough to look it up. Real nice, but yeah, kinda' spendy. http://spurcycle.com/bell.html Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:31 AM, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: Spurcycle makes the best bell I have found. It is really nice, however it does not have quite the classic look as a brass bell. It is stunning in it's perfection and tooling. I have one on my Atlantis and have ordered another for my mountain bike. Expensive for a bell, but worth it. Clay On Saturday, July 26, 2014 9:34:32 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote: So I was in my LBS today, swapping some tubes for my wife's 700c, Shraeder Raleigh. I poked around and saw they had Crane Hammer Strike Suzu bells in stock : copper, brass, aluminum. I have been wanting a silver one to match my silver components on my Rivbikes. Here is what I discovered. *The brass goes :* blnnng(sssiaaarrrnnnggg) (rolling overtones in parenths) Crystal clear sonorous sound. Complex overtones. Low note, trolley sounding bell. I love the sound. The brass is beautiful and a rich looking color. *The Copper goes:* Dng. Not much in the way of overtones. Fundamental tone. Crystal clear and also nice. Higher tone if I remember than the brass. But the color is dull and not as pretty as pictured on websites. *The aluminium goes :* Plunk. Dull, muffled tone, like someone stuffed it with felt or something. I even looked inside to see if anything was dampening the sound. All three in stock were devoid of packaging material and were plunky toned. No packing in the dome. The silver color is dull and flat. So I guess I like the brass best. It sounds best to my ears, and is cool when it ages and gets all patina-ed up. I have one from RBW already and hope to get another in the next order. What would really be great is a *real* 1 headset spacer hammer bell. *Which of the crane suzu hammer striker bell metals do you like best?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!
Oh, *Bobby!* You're so *eloquent!* Those were indeed perfect similes! On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Spot-on with the descriptions. That sustained Dingg.. of the Crane brass bell is like the after-flavors of a good wine, the lingering taste of a perfectly-brewed cup of Columbian coffee, the follow-through of a beautiful golf swing or that precisely-placed Frisbee throw Funny, who could have ever imagined that a little bell could bring such richness to life... :) Peace BB On S -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis * * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.* * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where in your time and your body can they be?* * Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
What is mistreatment to a carbon frame is expected use for a steel frame. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
Mistreatment as used is a lawyer word, but one that wouldn't hold up in court. On Sunday, July 27, 2014 1:20:18 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: What is mistreatment to a carbon frame is expected use for a steel frame. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?
Sounds like it will be a good bike! I'm not super-versed in them, but the later-steel Rockhoppers look like real good bikes. This era I'm guessing: http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/bik/4589937760.html The earlier ones are probably more relaxed re-pack geometry I would think: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/bik/4589450453.html I've seen several real old Stumpies recently as well. They seem to have the really shallow angles though, double check those. I tell ya, mid-80's Specialized designed some good bikes. Allez, Stumpjumper, Sequoia, Expedition, Rockhopper. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:09 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: As a further evolution of my bike preferences, I've decided to build up a dedicated single-speed bike. My Devil frameset would work well for this but I want to use 26 wheels. My 83-84 MTB has the right dropouts but it's just not that much fun to ride. I think my mid-life crisis is revolving around bicycles instead of sports cars and I want a bike to recreate my childhood riding. I've set my sights on some vintage MTB framesets with the forward-facing dropouts. Right now the leader is the early 90's Rockhoppers. From what I can find, they are all cro-mo, have the shorter chainstays I like, have reasonable top-tube lengths and have the all-important dropouts. I'd love to pick up a sporty geometry Stumpjumper with the really good tubing but right now I don't want to spend the time it would take to find one. Plus, I'm not even sure the Stumpjumper with the geometry and dropouts I want even exists. My biggest question is going to be tires. I'm currently running a set of 55mm Big Apples but one is defective and by the time I figured out it was the tire and not the wheel, the window for returning it had passed. I'm thinking 2.0 Kojaks, the largest Racer or the Compass 44mm tires will be what I will go with. This will literally be a bike that probably never leaves the neighborhood. We have a very large greenbelt with concrete sidewalk paths throughout. If I pick the right time of day (or if weather is questionable) there are virtually no pedestrians and the sight-lines are so long that it's easy to completely avoid them all-together if there are any out. There isn't a single straight stretch of sidewalk in this whole network so it's a perfect twisty-curvy path to blast down on nimble 26 wheels. I'll keep my Devil as my geared bike but I suspect my SS will get the bulk of my riding once I've got one. On Monday, March 24, 2014 5:34:38 AM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: I've cabled up one bike and it was such a tedious and frustrating event that I now just take it to an LBS and let them do it. Hopefully I'll get the bike back today or tomorrow. On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:05:20 PM UTC-5, jpp wrote: Hopefully someday your tastes evolve into putting shifter/brake cables and a chain on a bike, but to each their own!!! Only kidding On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:55:09 PM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: My bike preferences continue to evolove and I've recently been riding and 83-84 MTB, one of those bikes with 48cm chainstays and a wheelbase of 1120mm. HUGE bike and I'm really enjoying it!! I liked the short chainstays of the Troll and Karate Monkey but I also like the long stays of this old MTB. Riding this bike has really reignited my interest in the Bombadil and the Hunqapillar so I'm looking forward to hearing more about this proto-hunq that was unveiled yesterday. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?
Chris: make it a fixed ss and all your desires will be fully and perfectly achieved. I've used the 32-35 mm Kojaks in both 26 and 700C sizes and they are very, very nice tires, and my brother says that the 26 2 Kojaks are the Bees' Knees, but if the 37 mm Jan Heine* tires in any way compare to 2 Kojaks the way the 30 mm Parigi Roubaix compare to the narrower Kojaks, I'd advise, go with the Jan Heine tires. (*Can't remember the brand or the model names.) Or, if you ride dirt and gravel: why not the fattest Furious Freds, which at 360 grams and paperskin thickness for at least the 2 X 622s, are wonderful as long as there are no goatheads for 1,000 miles (or unless you go tubeless with Stan's). On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 12:28 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like it will be a good bike! I'm not super-versed in them, but the later-steel Rockhoppers look like real good bikes. This era I'm guessing: http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/bik/4589937760.html The earlier ones are probably more relaxed re-pack geometry I would think: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/bik/4589450453.html I've seen several real old Stumpies recently as well. They seem to have the really shallow angles though, double check those. I tell ya, mid-80's Specialized designed some good bikes. Allez, Stumpjumper, Sequoia, Expedition, Rockhopper. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:09 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: As a further evolution of my bike preferences, I've decided to build up a dedicated single-speed bike. My Devil frameset would work well for this but I want to use 26 wheels. My 83-84 MTB has the right dropouts but it's just not that much fun to ride. I think my mid-life crisis is revolving around bicycles instead of sports cars and I want a bike to recreate my childhood riding. I've set my sights on some vintage MTB framesets with the forward-facing dropouts. Right now the leader is the early 90's Rockhoppers. From what I can find, they are all cro-mo, have the shorter chainstays I like, have reasonable top-tube lengths and have the all-important dropouts. I'd love to pick up a sporty geometry Stumpjumper with the really good tubing but right now I don't want to spend the time it would take to find one. Plus, I'm not even sure the Stumpjumper with the geometry and dropouts I want even exists. My biggest question is going to be tires. I'm currently running a set of 55mm Big Apples but one is defective and by the time I figured out it was the tire and not the wheel, the window for returning it had passed. I'm thinking 2.0 Kojaks, the largest Racer or the Compass 44mm tires will be what I will go with. This will literally be a bike that probably never leaves the neighborhood. We have a very large greenbelt with concrete sidewalk paths throughout. If I pick the right time of day (or if weather is questionable) there are virtually no pedestrians and the sight-lines are so long that it's easy to completely avoid them all-together if there are any out. There isn't a single straight stretch of sidewalk in this whole network so it's a perfect twisty-curvy path to blast down on nimble 26 wheels. I'll keep my Devil as my geared bike but I suspect my SS will get the bulk of my riding once I've got one. On Monday, March 24, 2014 5:34:38 AM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: I've cabled up one bike and it was such a tedious and frustrating event that I now just take it to an LBS and let them do it. Hopefully I'll get the bike back today or tomorrow. On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:05:20 PM UTC-5, jpp wrote: Hopefully someday your tastes evolve into putting shifter/brake cables and a chain on a bike, but to each their own!!! Only kidding On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:55:09 PM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: My bike preferences continue to evolove and I've recently been riding and 83-84 MTB, one of those bikes with 48cm chainstays and a wheelbase of 1120mm. HUGE bike and I'm really enjoying it!! I liked the short chainstays of the Troll and Karate Monkey but I also like the long stays of this old MTB. Riding this bike has really reignited my interest in the Bombadil and the Hunqapillar so I'm looking forward to hearing more about this proto-hunq that was unveiled yesterday. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To
[RBW] FS: Nitto Campee front rack with low riders
I've had this rack for a few years and only used the base rack for a month so it's in super condition. Includes all the bolts for mounting the low riders. Beautiful strong and multi-purpose rack. Will fit both 700C and 650B bikes. I had some custom racks made so these are for sale. I'm asking $150 shipped in the CONUS Picture of rackhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/14779379993/ Contact me off-line if interested. ~mike Carlsbad Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Campee front rack with low riders
When do we get to see the custom racks? ~Hugh On Sunday, July 27, 2014 11:46:28 AM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote: I've had this rack for a few years and only used the base rack for a month so it's in super condition. Includes all the bolts for mounting the low riders. Beautiful strong and multi-purpose rack. Will fit both 700C and 650B bikes. I had some custom racks made so these are for sale. I'm asking $150 shipped in the CONUS Picture of rackhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/14779379993/ Contact me off-line if interested. ~mike Carlsbad Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Campee front rack with low riders
sale is pending ~mike On Sunday, July 27, 2014 11:46:28 AM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote: I've had this rack for a few years and only used the base rack for a month so it's in super condition. Includes all the bolts for mounting the low riders. Beautiful strong and multi-purpose rack. Will fit both 700C and 650B bikes. I had some custom racks made so these are for sale. I'm asking $150 shipped in the CONUS Picture of rackhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/14779379993/ Contact me off-line if interested. ~mike Carlsbad Ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Campee front rack with low riders
I only use them with panniers so it would have to be a multi-day tour... ~mike On Sunday, July 27, 2014 12:15:02 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: When do we get to see the custom racks? ~Hugh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?
Definately want the sportier geometry! By the mid-90's the Rockhopper and Stumpjumpers seem have switched completely to vertical dropouts and even in the 1992 the Rockhopper comp had vertical dropouts instead of the forward facing ones the base model Rockhopper has. I think they are the same tubing and I'm looking for a frameset only so no loss there. Patrick, If this SS idea lives up to my expectations, I will probably have a custom rear wheel built and if I do, it will be a reversible SS/Fixed wheel. For now I'm going to use a spacer kit on a 7-speed Shimano hub. Here is an image of a 1992 Rockhopper Comp. It has the vertical dropouts and thus a chain tensioner. I'm looking at the same size, same year Rockhopper with forward facing dropouts. It should look pretty much the same and that excites me because this is a tough looking bike! https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5G5SFngBoPU/U9VT3AVzZPI/ABQ/7lNvn7Zr3qI/s1600/+1992+RockHopper+Single+Speed.JPG On Sunday, July 27, 2014 1:28:25 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like it will be a good bike! I'm not super-versed in them, but the later-steel Rockhoppers look like real good bikes. This era I'm guessing: http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/bik/4589937760.html The earlier ones are probably more relaxed re-pack geometry I would think: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/bik/4589450453.html I've seen several real old Stumpies recently as well. They seem to have the really shallow angles though, double check those. I tell ya, mid-80's Specialized designed some good bikes. Allez, Stumpjumper, Sequoia, Expedition, Rockhopper. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:09 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: As a further evolution of my bike preferences, I've decided to build up a dedicated single-speed bike. My Devil frameset would work well for this but I want to use 26 wheels. My 83-84 MTB has the right dropouts but it's just not that much fun to ride. I think my mid-life crisis is revolving around bicycles instead of sports cars and I want a bike to recreate my childhood riding. I've set my sights on some vintage MTB framesets with the forward-facing dropouts. Right now the leader is the early 90's Rockhoppers. From what I can find, they are all cro-mo, have the shorter chainstays I like, have reasonable top-tube lengths and have the all-important dropouts. I'd love to pick up a sporty geometry Stumpjumper with the really good tubing but right now I don't want to spend the time it would take to find one. Plus, I'm not even sure the Stumpjumper with the geometry and dropouts I want even exists. My biggest question is going to be tires. I'm currently running a set of 55mm Big Apples but one is defective and by the time I figured out it was the tire and not the wheel, the window for returning it had passed. I'm thinking 2.0 Kojaks, the largest Racer or the Compass 44mm tires will be what I will go with. This will literally be a bike that probably never leaves the neighborhood. We have a very large greenbelt with concrete sidewalk paths throughout. If I pick the right time of day (or if weather is questionable) there are virtually no pedestrians and the sight-lines are so long that it's easy to completely avoid them all-together if there are any out. There isn't a single straight stretch of sidewalk in this whole network so it's a perfect twisty-curvy path to blast down on nimble 26 wheels. I'll keep my Devil as my geared bike but I suspect my SS will get the bulk of my riding once I've got one. On Monday, March 24, 2014 5:34:38 AM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: I've cabled up one bike and it was such a tedious and frustrating event that I now just take it to an LBS and let them do it. Hopefully I'll get the bike back today or tomorrow. On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:05:20 PM UTC-5, jpp wrote: Hopefully someday your tastes evolve into putting shifter/brake cables and a chain on a bike, but to each their own!!! Only kidding On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:55:09 PM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: My bike preferences continue to evolove and I've recently been riding and 83-84 MTB, one of those bikes with 48cm chainstays and a wheelbase of 1120mm. HUGE bike and I'm really enjoying it!! I liked the short chainstays of the Troll and Karate Monkey but I also like the long stays of this old MTB. Riding this bike has really reignited my interest in the Bombadil and the Hunqapillar so I'm looking forward to hearing more about this proto-hunq that was unveiled yesterday. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne
I don't want to confuse the discussion about the Samuel Hillborne, the 56cm Samuel Hillborne in particular, but here goes. Not every 56cm Samuel Hillborne has a 59cm TT. Patrick Moore's prototype Waterford Hillborne undoubtedly did, and the Geo charts still say that it does, but my Orange 56cm Hillborne does not. Mine has a 57.5cm top tube. At the time (December 2009) I was a little freaked out at the thought of a 59cm Top Tube. Keven told me that it had been changed to 57.5cm. I measured on my new frame when I bought it and confirmed that's what it was (57.5cm). I have no idea how many 56cm Hillbornes have a 59cm top tube like Patrick Moore's had, and how many have a 57.5cm top tube like mine. All I know for sure is that at least one was 59cm (Patrick's) and at least one is 57.5 cm (mine). If the OP ends up buying a new Sam Hillborne, then he'll need to start over comparing a 55cm and a 58cm Hillborne, with their associated geonumbers. If the OP buys a used 56, it may be useful to find out which TT length he is getting. As Patrick correctly pointed out, it matters (although nobody said it didn't), and as Grant correctly pointed out, it's not the only thing that matters or even the most important thing. On Saturday, July 26, 2014 8:23:36 AM UTC-7, grant wrote: It must be true that you ended up with too bigga bike. I don't remember the particulars and I'm sorry if the bike didn't work out. I may have misunderstood some answers to questions or maybe didn't ask the questions (the ones that steer me toward a recommendation) as clearly as I should've. I may have goofed, but I didn't actively and knowingly sell you a bike that didn't fit. I'm not saying it happened without me, just that even back then I was as conscientious (concerned about fit) as I am now. But...sorry. The Long Low happened like15 or more years ago, and to this day the length of a top tube remains easily misunderstandable. Of course it isn't an isolated number. A 59cm top tube on one bike can feel short, and on another bike, long...depending on Seat tube angle, even bb drop, stem exit point and how that compares to seat tube length, and more obviously, to handlebar shape. On a bike like a LongLow that is meant to accept useful tires and fenders, the front-center dimension is another tie-in to the frame geometry...but this is getting kind of deep detailed defensive for what was supposed to be a quick apology with an acceptable amount of personal defense! Anyway, sorry best, G On Saturday, July 26, 2014 6:28:36 AM UTC-7, Charlie wrote: I AGREE !!! Grant sold me a Long Low 58 with a very long top tube = NO standover clerance way too long top tube (could have turned the stem around backward to fit right). NOW it is with a new happy owner. Charlie On Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:59:52 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: A dissenting opinion: I had a 56 and found the 59 cm top tube too long. If you have a preferred bar and a preferred bar position with respect to the saddle, there are limits to adjusting reach by adjusting the stem -- I could not get the Sam's Noodle close enough to the saddle with a normal stem, even with the Sam's relaxed seat tube angle. I could have used a 5 or 6 cm extension, except that would put too little weight on the front wheel. I ended up with the bar too high for my liking -- some 5-6 cm above the saddle, when even for a country' bike I prefer it no more than 2 cm above saddle. Top tube length matters! I personally would very definitely test ride one if you can, though if you don't mind very high bars, you have less need to worry about top tube length. Me, I like my bars where I like them -- it's not a variable but a given. The Sam would be an excellent candidate for upright bars, though. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:35 AM, lungimsam john1...@gmail.com wrote: Most people seem happy with the Rivendell method of sizing for their bikes. *If this is your first bike*, just go with their sizing. You can always use a shorter or longer stem, and rotate the brake levers little more forward or back on the handlebars (if using drops) to try to buy the centimeters you need to get the reach comfortable for you. If using other bars, then it is even easier to fit for reach because you are talking huge sweep back and rise like on the Albas and Bosco bars. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis * * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.* * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to
Re: [RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?
My '92 Stumpjumper Pro had short horizontal dropouts that made it easy to single speed. Eric Dublin, OH On Sunday, July 27, 2014, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: Definately want the sportier geometry! By the mid-90's the Rockhopper and Stumpjumpers seem have switched completely to vertical dropouts and even in the 1992 the Rockhopper comp had vertical dropouts instead of the forward facing ones the base model Rockhopper has. I think they are the same tubing and I'm looking for a frameset only so no loss there. Patrick, If this SS idea lives up to my expectations, I will probably have a custom rear wheel built and if I do, it will be a reversible SS/Fixed wheel. For now I'm going to use a spacer kit on a 7-speed Shimano hub. Here is an image of a 1992 Rockhopper Comp. It has the vertical dropouts and thus a chain tensioner. I'm looking at the same size, same year Rockhopper with forward facing dropouts. It should look pretty much the same and that excites me because this is a tough looking bike! https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5G5SFngBoPU/U9VT3AVzZPI/ABQ/7lNvn7Zr3qI/s1600/+1992+RockHopper+Single+Speed.JPG On Sunday, July 27, 2014 1:28:25 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cyclot...@gmail.com'); wrote: Sounds like it will be a good bike! I'm not super-versed in them, but the later-steel Rockhoppers look like real good bikes. This era I'm guessing: http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/bik/4589937760.html The earlier ones are probably more relaxed re-pack geometry I would think: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/bik/4589450453.html I've seen several real old Stumpies recently as well. They seem to have the really shallow angles though, double check those. I tell ya, mid-80's Specialized designed some good bikes. Allez, Stumpjumper, Sequoia, Expedition, Rockhopper. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:09 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com wrote: As a further evolution of my bike preferences, I've decided to build up a dedicated single-speed bike. My Devil frameset would work well for this but I want to use 26 wheels. My 83-84 MTB has the right dropouts but it's just not that much fun to ride. I think my mid-life crisis is revolving around bicycles instead of sports cars and I want a bike to recreate my childhood riding. I've set my sights on some vintage MTB framesets with the forward-facing dropouts. Right now the leader is the early 90's Rockhoppers. From what I can find, they are all cro-mo, have the shorter chainstays I like, have reasonable top-tube lengths and have the all-important dropouts. I'd love to pick up a sporty geometry Stumpjumper with the really good tubing but right now I don't want to spend the time it would take to find one. Plus, I'm not even sure the Stumpjumper with the geometry and dropouts I want even exists. My biggest question is going to be tires. I'm currently running a set of 55mm Big Apples but one is defective and by the time I figured out it was the tire and not the wheel, the window for returning it had passed. I'm thinking 2.0 Kojaks, the largest Racer or the Compass 44mm tires will be what I will go with. This will literally be a bike that probably never leaves the neighborhood. We have a very large greenbelt with concrete sidewalk paths throughout. If I pick the right time of day (or if weather is questionable) there are virtually no pedestrians and the sight-lines are so long that it's easy to completely avoid them all-together if there are any out. There isn't a single straight stretch of sidewalk in this whole network so it's a perfect twisty-curvy path to blast down on nimble 26 wheels. I'll keep my Devil as my geared bike but I suspect my SS will get the bulk of my riding once I've got one. On Monday, March 24, 2014 5:34:38 AM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: I've cabled up one bike and it was such a tedious and frustrating event that I now just take it to an LBS and let them do it. Hopefully I'll get the bike back today or tomorrow. On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:05:20 PM UTC-5, jpp wrote: Hopefully someday your tastes evolve into putting shifter/brake cables and a chain on a bike, but to each their own!!! Only kidding On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:55:09 PM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: My bike preferences continue to evolove and I've recently been riding and 83-84 MTB, one of those bikes with 48cm chainstays and a wheelbase of 1120mm. HUGE bike and I'm really enjoying it!! I liked the short chainstays of the Troll and Karate Monkey but I also like the long stays of this old MTB. Riding this bike has really reignited my interest in the Bombadil and the Hunqapillar so I'm looking forward to hearing more about this proto-hunq that was unveiled yesterday.
[RBW] Anyone travelling from PDX to SoCal in the next month perchance?
Trying to buy a bike there, and transporting it here. Obviously FedEx has trucks coming south every day, but just wondering if by chance someone is coming south and had room for a bike. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?
I know there was a lister selling a rockhhopper frame for 40 bucks a week or so ago. I think it was a 22. On Jul 27, 2014 3:42 PM, Eric Daume ericda...@gmail.com wrote: My '92 Stumpjumper Pro had short horizontal dropouts that made it easy to single speed. Eric Dublin, OH On Sunday, July 27, 2014, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: Definately want the sportier geometry! By the mid-90's the Rockhopper and Stumpjumpers seem have switched completely to vertical dropouts and even in the 1992 the Rockhopper comp had vertical dropouts instead of the forward facing ones the base model Rockhopper has. I think they are the same tubing and I'm looking for a frameset only so no loss there. Patrick, If this SS idea lives up to my expectations, I will probably have a custom rear wheel built and if I do, it will be a reversible SS/Fixed wheel. For now I'm going to use a spacer kit on a 7-speed Shimano hub. Here is an image of a 1992 Rockhopper Comp. It has the vertical dropouts and thus a chain tensioner. I'm looking at the same size, same year Rockhopper with forward facing dropouts. It should look pretty much the same and that excites me because this is a tough looking bike! https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5G5SFngBoPU/U9VT3AVzZPI/ABQ/7lNvn7Zr3qI/s1600/+1992+RockHopper+Single+Speed.JPG On Sunday, July 27, 2014 1:28:25 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like it will be a good bike! I'm not super-versed in them, but the later-steel Rockhoppers look like real good bikes. This era I'm guessing: http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/bik/4589937760.html The earlier ones are probably more relaxed re-pack geometry I would think: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/bik/4589450453.html I've seen several real old Stumpies recently as well. They seem to have the really shallow angles though, double check those. I tell ya, mid-80's Specialized designed some good bikes. Allez, Stumpjumper, Sequoia, Expedition, Rockhopper. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:09 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com wrote: As a further evolution of my bike preferences, I've decided to build up a dedicated single-speed bike. My Devil frameset would work well for this but I want to use 26 wheels. My 83-84 MTB has the right dropouts but it's just not that much fun to ride. I think my mid-life crisis is revolving around bicycles instead of sports cars and I want a bike to recreate my childhood riding. I've set my sights on some vintage MTB framesets with the forward-facing dropouts. Right now the leader is the early 90's Rockhoppers. From what I can find, they are all cro-mo, have the shorter chainstays I like, have reasonable top-tube lengths and have the all-important dropouts. I'd love to pick up a sporty geometry Stumpjumper with the really good tubing but right now I don't want to spend the time it would take to find one. Plus, I'm not even sure the Stumpjumper with the geometry and dropouts I want even exists. My biggest question is going to be tires. I'm currently running a set of 55mm Big Apples but one is defective and by the time I figured out it was the tire and not the wheel, the window for returning it had passed. I'm thinking 2.0 Kojaks, the largest Racer or the Compass 44mm tires will be what I will go with. This will literally be a bike that probably never leaves the neighborhood. We have a very large greenbelt with concrete sidewalk paths throughout. If I pick the right time of day (or if weather is questionable) there are virtually no pedestrians and the sight-lines are so long that it's easy to completely avoid them all-together if there are any out. There isn't a single straight stretch of sidewalk in this whole network so it's a perfect twisty-curvy path to blast down on nimble 26 wheels. I'll keep my Devil as my geared bike but I suspect my SS will get the bulk of my riding once I've got one. On Monday, March 24, 2014 5:34:38 AM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: I've cabled up one bike and it was such a tedious and frustrating event that I now just take it to an LBS and let them do it. Hopefully I'll get the bike back today or tomorrow. On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:05:20 PM UTC-5, jpp wrote: Hopefully someday your tastes evolve into putting shifter/brake cables and a chain on a bike, but to each their own!!! Only kidding On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:55:09 PM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: My bike preferences continue to evolove and I've recently been riding and 83-84 MTB, one of those bikes with 48cm chainstays and a wheelbase of 1120mm. HUGE bike and I'm really enjoying it!! I liked the short chainstays of the Troll and Karate Monkey but I also like the long stays of this old MTB. Riding this bike has really reignited my interest
Re: [RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?
It was David and he was selling a Hardrock, I wish I could have picked it up but just no time. On Jul 27, 2014 3:44 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: I know there was a lister selling a rockhhopper frame for 40 bucks a week or so ago. I think it was a 22. On Jul 27, 2014 3:42 PM, Eric Daume ericda...@gmail.com wrote: My '92 Stumpjumper Pro had short horizontal dropouts that made it easy to single speed. Eric Dublin, OH On Sunday, July 27, 2014, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: Definately want the sportier geometry! By the mid-90's the Rockhopper and Stumpjumpers seem have switched completely to vertical dropouts and even in the 1992 the Rockhopper comp had vertical dropouts instead of the forward facing ones the base model Rockhopper has. I think they are the same tubing and I'm looking for a frameset only so no loss there. Patrick, If this SS idea lives up to my expectations, I will probably have a custom rear wheel built and if I do, it will be a reversible SS/Fixed wheel. For now I'm going to use a spacer kit on a 7-speed Shimano hub. Here is an image of a 1992 Rockhopper Comp. It has the vertical dropouts and thus a chain tensioner. I'm looking at the same size, same year Rockhopper with forward facing dropouts. It should look pretty much the same and that excites me because this is a tough looking bike! https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5G5SFngBoPU/U9VT3AVzZPI/ABQ/7lNvn7Zr3qI/s1600/+1992+RockHopper+Single+Speed.JPG On Sunday, July 27, 2014 1:28:25 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like it will be a good bike! I'm not super-versed in them, but the later-steel Rockhoppers look like real good bikes. This era I'm guessing: http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/bik/4589937760.html The earlier ones are probably more relaxed re-pack geometry I would think: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/bik/4589450453.html I've seen several real old Stumpies recently as well. They seem to have the really shallow angles though, double check those. I tell ya, mid-80's Specialized designed some good bikes. Allez, Stumpjumper, Sequoia, Expedition, Rockhopper. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:09 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com wrote: As a further evolution of my bike preferences, I've decided to build up a dedicated single-speed bike. My Devil frameset would work well for this but I want to use 26 wheels. My 83-84 MTB has the right dropouts but it's just not that much fun to ride. I think my mid-life crisis is revolving around bicycles instead of sports cars and I want a bike to recreate my childhood riding. I've set my sights on some vintage MTB framesets with the forward-facing dropouts. Right now the leader is the early 90's Rockhoppers. From what I can find, they are all cro-mo, have the shorter chainstays I like, have reasonable top-tube lengths and have the all-important dropouts. I'd love to pick up a sporty geometry Stumpjumper with the really good tubing but right now I don't want to spend the time it would take to find one. Plus, I'm not even sure the Stumpjumper with the geometry and dropouts I want even exists. My biggest question is going to be tires. I'm currently running a set of 55mm Big Apples but one is defective and by the time I figured out it was the tire and not the wheel, the window for returning it had passed. I'm thinking 2.0 Kojaks, the largest Racer or the Compass 44mm tires will be what I will go with. This will literally be a bike that probably never leaves the neighborhood. We have a very large greenbelt with concrete sidewalk paths throughout. If I pick the right time of day (or if weather is questionable) there are virtually no pedestrians and the sight-lines are so long that it's easy to completely avoid them all-together if there are any out. There isn't a single straight stretch of sidewalk in this whole network so it's a perfect twisty-curvy path to blast down on nimble 26 wheels. I'll keep my Devil as my geared bike but I suspect my SS will get the bulk of my riding once I've got one. On Monday, March 24, 2014 5:34:38 AM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: I've cabled up one bike and it was such a tedious and frustrating event that I now just take it to an LBS and let them do it. Hopefully I'll get the bike back today or tomorrow. On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:05:20 PM UTC-5, jpp wrote: Hopefully someday your tastes evolve into putting shifter/brake cables and a chain on a bike, but to each their own!!! Only kidding On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:55:09 PM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: My bike preferences continue to evolove and I've recently been riding and 83-84 MTB, one of those bikes with 48cm chainstays and a wheelbase of 1120mm. HUGE bike and I'm really enjoying
Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!
On 07/27/2014 02:17 PM, Goshen Peter wrote: Beautiful but how it says they don't rust, one of the nice parts of a brass bell is watching it age and oxidize, and the sound is so unique. Not to be pedantic or anything (nobody would ever be pedantic on this list) but since rust is iron oxide, brass does not rust. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!
So what does brass do, is just called patina? On Jul 27, 2014 4:01 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On 07/27/2014 02:17 PM, Goshen Peter wrote: Beautiful but how it says they don't rust, one of the nice parts of a brass bell is watching it age and oxidize, and the sound is so unique. Not to be pedantic or anything (nobody would ever be pedantic on this list) but since rust is iron oxide, brass does not rust. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!
On 07/27/2014 04:01 PM, Goshen Peter wrote: So what does brass do, is just called patina? corrosion On Jul 27, 2014 4:01 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com mailto:palin...@his.com wrote: On 07/27/2014 02:17 PM, Goshen Peter wrote: Beautiful but how it says they don't rust, one of the nice parts of a brass bell is watching it age and oxidize, and the sound is so unique. Not to be pedantic or anything (nobody would ever be pedantic on this list) but since rust is iron oxide, brass does not rust. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!
Ah, I see. I am a semantics person too so I appreciate the clarification. On Jul 27, 2014 4:06 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On 07/27/2014 04:01 PM, Goshen Peter wrote: So what does brass do, is just called patina? corrosion On Jul 27, 2014 4:01 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On 07/27/2014 02:17 PM, Goshen Peter wrote: Beautiful but how it says they don't rust, one of the nice parts of a brass bell is watching it age and oxidize, and the sound is so unique. Not to be pedantic or anything (nobody would ever be pedantic on this list) but since rust is iron oxide, brass does not rust. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne
The original green Hillborne had a longer top tube. Even though I should have purchased a 60, based on the TT length, went with a 56. My present 60cm Hillborne works fine with a Dirtdrop stem and Noodles. At least for my preference for being pretty upright while riding. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I don't want to confuse the discussion about the Samuel Hillborne, the 56cm Samuel Hillborne in particular, but here goes. Not every 56cm Samuel Hillborne has a 59cm TT. Patrick Moore's prototype Waterford Hillborne undoubtedly did, and the Geo charts still say that it does, but my Orange 56cm Hillborne does not. Mine has a 57.5cm top tube. At the time (December 2009) I was a little freaked out at the thought of a 59cm Top Tube. Keven told me that it had been changed to 57.5cm. I measured on my new frame when I bought it and confirmed that's what it was (57.5cm). I have no idea how many 56cm Hillbornes have a 59cm top tube like Patrick Moore's had, and how many have a 57.5cm top tube like mine. All I know for sure is that at least one was 59cm (Patrick's) and at least one is 57.5 cm (mine). If the OP ends up buying a new Sam Hillborne, then he'll need to start over comparing a 55cm and a 58cm Hillborne, with their associated geonumbers. If the OP buys a used 56, it may be useful to find out which TT length he is getting. As Patrick correctly pointed out, it matters (although nobody said it didn't), and as Grant correctly pointed out, it's not the only thing that matters or even the most important thing. On Saturday, July 26, 2014 8:23:36 AM UTC-7, grant wrote: It must be true that you ended up with too bigga bike. I don't remember the particulars and I'm sorry if the bike didn't work out. I may have misunderstood some answers to questions or maybe didn't ask the questions (the ones that steer me toward a recommendation) as clearly as I should've. I may have goofed, but I didn't actively and knowingly sell you a bike that didn't fit. I'm not saying it happened without me, just that even back then I was as conscientious (concerned about fit) as I am now. But...sorry. The Long Low happened like15 or more years ago, and to this day the length of a top tube remains easily misunderstandable. Of course it isn't an isolated number. A 59cm top tube on one bike can feel short, and on another bike, long...depending on Seat tube angle, even bb drop, stem exit point and how that compares to seat tube length, and more obviously, to handlebar shape. On a bike like a LongLow that is meant to accept useful tires and fenders, the front-center dimension is another tie-in to the frame geometry...but this is getting kind of deep detailed defensive for what was supposed to be a quick apology with an acceptable amount of personal defense! Anyway, sorry best, G On Saturday, July 26, 2014 6:28:36 AM UTC-7, Charlie wrote: I AGREE !!! Grant sold me a Long Low 58 with a very long top tube = NO standover clerance way too long top tube (could have turned the stem around backward to fit right). NOW it is with a new happy owner. Charlie On Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:59:52 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: A dissenting opinion: I had a 56 and found the 59 cm top tube too long. If you have a preferred bar and a preferred bar position with respect to the saddle, there are limits to adjusting reach by adjusting the stem -- I could not get the Sam's Noodle close enough to the saddle with a normal stem, even with the Sam's relaxed seat tube angle. I could have used a 5 or 6 cm extension, except that would put too little weight on the front wheel. I ended up with the bar too high for my liking -- some 5-6 cm above the saddle, when even for a country' bike I prefer it no more than 2 cm above saddle. Top tube length matters! I personally would very definitely test ride one if you can, though if you don't mind very high bars, you have less need to worry about top tube length. Me, I like my bars where I like them -- it's not a variable but a given. The Sam would be an excellent candidate for upright bars, though. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:35 AM, lungimsam john1...@gmail.com wrote: Most people seem happy with the Rivendell method of sizing for their bikes. *If this is your first bike*, just go with their sizing. You can always use a shorter or longer stem, and rotate the brake levers little more forward or back on the handlebars (if using drops) to try to buy the centimeters you need to get the reach comfortable for you. If using other bars, then it is even easier to fit for reach because you are talking huge sweep back and rise like on the Albas and Bosco bars. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ Patrick Moore Albuquerque, Nouvelle
Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!
Oxidation? Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, I see. I am a semantics person too so I appreciate the clarification. On Jul 27, 2014 4:06 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On 07/27/2014 04:01 PM, Goshen Peter wrote: So what does brass do, is just called patina? corrosion On Jul 27, 2014 4:01 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On 07/27/2014 02:17 PM, Goshen Peter wrote: Beautiful but how it says they don't rust, one of the nice parts of a brass bell is watching it age and oxidize, and the sound is so unique. Not to be pedantic or anything (nobody would ever be pedantic on this list) but since rust is iron oxide, brass does not rust. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?
Schwalbe was very good about replacing a tire with a broken bead. It was pretty much just Send us a picture. Okay. Choose your preferred tread pattern. http://www.biketinker.com/2011/projects/big-apple-failure/ And... A White Industries Eric's Eccentric ENO wheel will let you use a newer frame with vertical dropouts. You just missed Tony's... which is en route to me, now. Just yesterday I set up a singlespeed mountain bike, AND had freaky tire issues. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers — joined in the serious business of keeping our food http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Food, shelter, clothing and loved ones from combining with oxygen. Kurt Vonnegut, who perhaps considered bells in the category of loved ones On Sunday, July 27, 2014 1:28:06 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Oxidation? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
Oh idk . .. . I really wonder how many die hard steel enthusiasts would own a carbon(or some future iteration of it) frame if they could get it the exact same dimensions as their fav steel version. With all the mounting points, etc. I suspect many would own at least one such bike, if not already. And please, do not say such a frame doesn't exist , it may not exist here and now, but just because it is not seen before the eyes, does not mean it does not and will not exist . Their is risk in everything in whom it is risky :) For those not, it is not . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!
brass grows a very nice patina in weathering exposure. You have to have salts and build up of sludge to make brass corrode, and then you can't even tell that it corroded because the normal mode is dealloying. This fishing reel is 130 years old - where it was corroding is where mildewed silk line was rotting on it. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/ocean%20city/Mills/leonard041.jpg On Sunday, July 27, 2014 3:46:42 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: We few, we happy few, we band of brothers — joined in the serious business of keeping our food http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Food, shelter, clothing and loved ones from combining with oxygen. Kurt Vonnegut, who perhaps considered bells in the category of loved ones On Sunday, July 27, 2014 1:28:06 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Oxidation? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
Well until this dream bike materializes I will keep riding an actual awesome bike, my Rivendell. On Jul 27, 2014 4:58 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: Oh idk . .. . I really wonder how many die hard steel enthusiasts would own a carbon(or some future iteration of it) frame if they could get it the exact same dimensions as their fav steel version. With all the mounting points, etc. I suspect many would own at least one such bike, if not already. And please, do not say such a frame doesn't exist , it may not exist here and now, but just because it is not seen before the eyes, does not mean it does not and will not exist . Their is risk in everything in whom it is risky :) For those not, it is not . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
On 07/27/2014 04:58 PM, Garth wrote: Oh idk . .. . I really wonder how many die hard steel enthusiasts would own a carbon(or some future iteration of it) frame if they could get it the exact same dimensions as their fav steel version. With all the mounting points, etc. Don't count on it. When BQ tested their first Calfee the question was raised about rack mounts, and Calfee provided a response in a side bar: if a bike falls over with a load on a rack, it puts an off-angle stress on the rack and mounting points. Carbon frames when subjected to that kind of stress tend to split, like a cane of bamboo. (In fact, I know two people in the local bike club who had carbon frames with downtubes that split when the bikes fell over with full water bottles.) So Calfee says mount a rack with a P-clamp, so that when the bike falls over the rack will shift rather than split the tube. There's another issue as well: the economics of molded carbon (1st copy costs a million bucks, 2nd copy costs 10 cents) vs metal, where 1st, 2nd and nth copy cost the same. Those Riv-style bikes just aren't as popular these days as road racers, and the economics of low volume production with carbon are punishing compared with metals. I suspect many would own at least one such bike, if not already. And please, do not say such a frame doesn't exist , it may not exist here and now, but just because it is not seen before the eyes, does not mean it does not and will not exist . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!
I'm much more of a Honka Hoota guy than a ding-a-ling type. http://youtu.be/urfTG1yFlYQ If you push hard they are loud but you can give it little punches to be more expressive, kind of like a train engineer does. I find it really gets attention and a lot of smiles. $7 at REI. And it doesn't rust or corrode. On Saturday, July 26, 2014 10:34:32 PM UTC-6, lungimsam wrote: So I was in my LBS today, swapping some tubes for my wife's 700c, Shraeder Raleigh. I poked around and saw they had Crane Hammer Strike Suzu bells in stock : copper, brass, aluminum. I have been wanting a silver one to match my silver components on my Rivbikes. Here is what I discovered. *The brass goes :* blnnng(sssiaaarrrnnnggg) (rolling overtones in parenths) Crystal clear sonorous sound. Complex overtones. Low note, trolley sounding bell. I love the sound. The brass is beautiful and a rich looking color. *The Copper goes:* Dng. Not much in the way of overtones. Fundamental tone. Crystal clear and also nice. Higher tone if I remember than the brass. But the color is dull and not as pretty as pictured on websites. *The aluminium goes :* Plunk. Dull, muffled tone, like someone stuffed it with felt or something. I even looked inside to see if anything was dampening the sound. All three in stock were devoid of packaging material and were plunky toned. No packing in the dome. The silver color is dull and flat. So I guess I like the brass best. It sounds best to my ears, and is cool when it ages and gets all patina-ed up. I have one from RBW already and hope to get another in the next order. What would really be great is a *real* 1 headset spacer hammer bell. *Which of the crane suzu hammer striker bell metals do you like best?* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
I'm not speaking of what was or even what *appears *to be. All of that is old news . So all arguments for what *appears* to be , are for nothing but more self imposed limitations. And that's fine for those who want that :) But everyone hungers for something . . . . and there is no hunger of the imagination that does not go satiated ! Again, nothing exists . . .. *NOTHING* . . . that was not first imagined to exist . Without the imagination , the hunger for something greater that what *appears* to be . . . . there is nothing to experience . On Sunday, July 27, 2014 5:37:15 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 07/27/2014 04:58 PM, Garth wrote: Oh idk . .. . I really wonder how many die hard steel enthusiasts would own a carbon(or some future iteration of it) frame if they could get it the exact same dimensions as their fav steel version. With all the mounting points, etc. Don't count on it. When BQ tested their first Calfee the question was raised about rack mounts, and Calfee provided a response in a side bar: if a bike falls over with a load on a rack, it puts an off-angle stress on the rack and mounting points. Carbon frames when subjected to that kind of stress tend to split, like a cane of bamboo. (In fact, I know two people in the local bike club who had carbon frames with downtubes that split when the bikes fell over with full water bottles.) So Calfee says mount a rack with a P-clamp, so that when the bike falls over the rack will shift rather than split the tube. There's another issue as well: the economics of molded carbon (1st copy costs a million bucks, 2nd copy costs 10 cents) vs metal, where 1st, 2nd and nth copy cost the same. Those Riv-style bikes just aren't as popular these days as road racers, and the economics of low volume production with carbon are punishing compared with metals. I suspect many would own at least one such bike, if not already. And please, do not say such a frame doesn't exist , it may not exist here and now, but just because it is not seen before the eyes, does not mean it does not and will not exist . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
Perhaps you are unaware that Calfee is one of the top custom builders in carbon, and the one who figured out how to repair it. His opinion deserves the highest respect, as he is the top expert in the field. On 07/27/2014 05:51 PM, Garth wrote: I'm not speaking of what was or even what /appears /to be. All of that is old news . So all arguments for what /appears/ to be , are for nothing but more self imposed limitations. And that's fine for those who want that :) But everyone hungers for something . . . . and there is no hunger of the imagination that does not go satiated ! Again, nothing exists . . .. *NOTHING* . . . that was not first imagined to exist . Without the imagination , the hunger for something greater that what /appears/ to be . . . . there is nothing to experience . On Sunday, July 27, 2014 5:37:15 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 07/27/2014 04:58 PM, Garth wrote: Oh idk . .. . I really wonder how many die hard steel enthusiasts would own a carbon(or some future iteration of it) frame if they could get it the exact same dimensions as their fav steel version. With all the mounting points, etc. Don't count on it. When BQ tested their first Calfee the question was raised about rack mounts, and Calfee provided a response in a side bar: if a bike falls over with a load on a rack, it puts an off-angle stress on the rack and mounting points. Carbon frames when subjected to that kind of stress tend to split, like a cane of bamboo. (In fact, I know two people in the local bike club who had carbon frames with downtubes that split when the bikes fell over with full water bottles.) So Calfee says mount a rack with a P-clamp, so that when the bike falls over the rack will shift rather than split the tube. There's another issue as well: the economics of molded carbon (1st copy costs a million bucks, 2nd copy costs 10 cents) vs metal, where 1st, 2nd and nth copy cost the same. Those Riv-style bikes just aren't as popular these days as road racers, and the economics of low volume production with carbon are punishing compared with metals. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning. Patrick Moore iPhone On Jul 27, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not speaking of what was or even what appears to be. All of that is old news . So all arguments for what appears to be , are for nothing but more self imposed limitations. And that's fine for those who want that :) But everyone hungers for something . . . . and there is no hunger of the imagination that does not go satiated ! Again, nothing exists . . .. NOTHING . . . that was not first imagined to exist . Without the imagination , the hunger for something greater that what appears to be . . . . there is nothing to experience . On Sunday, July 27, 2014 5:37:15 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 07/27/2014 04:58 PM, Garth wrote: Oh idk . .. . I really wonder how many die hard steel enthusiasts would own a carbon(or some future iteration of it) frame if they could get it the exact same dimensions as their fav steel version. With all the mounting points, etc. Don't count on it. When BQ tested their first Calfee the question was raised about rack mounts, and Calfee provided a response in a side bar: if a bike falls over with a load on a rack, it puts an off-angle stress on the rack and mounting points. Carbon frames when subjected to that kind of stress tend to split, like a cane of bamboo. (In fact, I know two people in the local bike club who had carbon frames with downtubes that split when the bikes fell over with full water bottles.) So Calfee says mount a rack with a P-clamp, so that when the bike falls over the rack will shift rather than split the tube. There's another issue as well: the economics of molded carbon (1st copy costs a million bucks, 2nd copy costs 10 cents) vs metal, where 1st, 2nd and nth copy cost the same. Those Riv-style bikes just aren't as popular these days as road racers, and the economics of low volume production with carbon are punishing compared with metals. I suspect many would own at least one such bike, if not already. And please, do not say such a frame doesn't exist , it may not exist here and now, but just because it is not seen before the eyes, does not mean it does not and will not exist . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
lol !!! And I do so Love treading the Vinepress Patrick :) Makes the heart well ! On Sunday, July 27, 2014 5:54:11 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning. Patrick Moore iPhone On Jul 27, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Garth gart...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I'm not speaking of what was or even what *appears *to be. All of that is old news . So all arguments for what *appears* to be , are for nothing but more self imposed limitations. And that's fine for those who want that :) But everyone hungers for something . . . . and there is no hunger of the imagination that does not go satiated ! Again, nothing exists . . .. *NOTHING* . . . that was not first imagined to exist . Without the imagination , the hunger for something greater that what *appears* to be . . . . there is nothing to experience . On Sunday, July 27, 2014 5:37:15 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 07/27/2014 04:58 PM, Garth wrote: Oh idk . .. . I really wonder how many die hard steel enthusiasts would own a carbon(or some future iteration of it) frame if they could get it the exact same dimensions as their fav steel version. With all the mounting points, etc. Don't count on it. When BQ tested their first Calfee the question was raised about rack mounts, and Calfee provided a response in a side bar: if a bike falls over with a load on a rack, it puts an off-angle stress on the rack and mounting points. Carbon frames when subjected to that kind of stress tend to split, like a cane of bamboo. (In fact, I know two people in the local bike club who had carbon frames with downtubes that split when the bikes fell over with full water bottles.) So Calfee says mount a rack with a P-clamp, so that when the bike falls over the rack will shift rather than split the tube. There's another issue as well: the economics of molded carbon (1st copy costs a million bucks, 2nd copy costs 10 cents) vs metal, where 1st, 2nd and nth copy cost the same. Those Riv-style bikes just aren't as popular these days as road racers, and the economics of low volume production with carbon are punishing compared with metals. I suspect many would own at least one such bike, if not already. And please, do not say such a frame doesn't exist , it may not exist here and now, but just because it is not seen before the eyes, does not mean it does not and will not exist . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
And did the originator of the carbon frame say it does not exist so it cannot be done ? Did he forget that there were a host of top steel frame builders who were considered the masters of their time ? Did the Wright brothers see the bird, and look to sky and proclaim . . . . oh . . . I guess because it does not *appear* that I can fly, that I cannot fly ? Did Boeing and Lockheed let the airplanes of the Wright brothers stop them from wanting and imagining something grander ? None let what *appears to be* stop them . . . there is no stopping what you hunger for in fact . On Sunday, July 27, 2014 5:53:54 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: Perhaps you are unaware that Calfee is one of the top custom builders in carbon, and the one who figured out how to repair it. His opinion deserves the highest respect, as he is the top expert in the field. On 07/27/2014 05:51 PM, Garth wrote: I'm not speaking of what was or even what *appears *to be. All of that is old news . So all arguments for what *appears* to be , are for nothing but more self imposed limitations. And that's fine for those who want that :) But everyone hungers for something . . . . and there is no hunger of the imagination that does not go satiated ! Again, nothing exists . . .. *NOTHING* . . . that was not first imagined to exist . Without the imagination , the hunger for something greater that what *appears* to be . . . . there is nothing to experience . On Sunday, July 27, 2014 5:37:15 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 07/27/2014 04:58 PM, Garth wrote: Oh idk . .. . I really wonder how many die hard steel enthusiasts would own a carbon(or some future iteration of it) frame if they could get it the exact same dimensions as their fav steel version. With all the mounting points, etc. Don't count on it. When BQ tested their first Calfee the question was raised about rack mounts, and Calfee provided a response in a side bar: if a bike falls over with a load on a rack, it puts an off-angle stress on the rack and mounting points. Carbon frames when subjected to that kind of stress tend to split, like a cane of bamboo. (In fact, I know two people in the local bike club who had carbon frames with downtubes that split when the bikes fell over with full water bottles.) So Calfee says mount a rack with a P-clamp, so that when the bike falls over the rack will shift rather than split the tube. There's another issue as well: the economics of molded carbon (1st copy costs a million bucks, 2nd copy costs 10 cents) vs metal, where 1st, 2nd and nth copy cost the same. Those Riv-style bikes just aren't as popular these days as road racers, and the economics of low volume production with carbon are punishing compared with metals. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
On 07/27/2014 06:19 PM, Garth wrote: And did the originator of the carbon frame say it does not exist so it cannot be done ? Did he forget that there were a host of top steel frame builders who were considered the masters of their time ? Did the Wright brothers see the bird, and look to sky and proclaim . . . . oh . . . I guess because it does not /appear/ that I can fly, that I cannot fly ? Did Boeing and Lockheed let the airplanes of the Wright brothers stop them from wanting and imagining something grander ? None let what /appears to be/ stop them . . . there is no stopping what you hunger for in fact . Yes, but wishing does not make it so, and you have to respect the basic characteristics of the materials you're working with. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Evolution of your bike preference?
I didn't see the Hardrock for sale but I just looked it up and it sounds like one of the earlier ones, which means it might not have had the geometry I want. I've got a bid on E-Bay for a 20 Rockhopper. My initial inclination is to want a 22 but I realize those will be much more rare. I've got a 22.5 Trek 820 and a 21 Trek 730 and riding both with 26 wheels, I really prefer the 730. I think it's just the smaller, lighter and shorter wheelbase of the 730 feel better for the riding I'm going to do. I rode a 19 730 for 12 years before I knew any better so a 20 Rockhopper shouldn't be any problem. I'm working on selling some non-bike stuff to finance this build but thru E-bay I can use PayPal and PayLater until I make my sell. If I sell my other stuff soon I might just advertise here and on a few more like-minded boards (internet-bob, Bicycle Lifestyle, 650b come to mind). On Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:47:30 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote: It was David and he was selling a Hardrock, I wish I could have picked it up but just no time. On Jul 27, 2014 3:44 PM, Goshen Peter uscpet...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I know there was a lister selling a rockhhopper frame for 40 bucks a week or so ago. I think it was a 22. On Jul 27, 2014 3:42 PM, Eric Daume eric...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: My '92 Stumpjumper Pro had short horizontal dropouts that made it easy to single speed. Eric Dublin, OH On Sunday, July 27, 2014, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: Definately want the sportier geometry! By the mid-90's the Rockhopper and Stumpjumpers seem have switched completely to vertical dropouts and even in the 1992 the Rockhopper comp had vertical dropouts instead of the forward facing ones the base model Rockhopper has. I think they are the same tubing and I'm looking for a frameset only so no loss there. Patrick, If this SS idea lives up to my expectations, I will probably have a custom rear wheel built and if I do, it will be a reversible SS/Fixed wheel. For now I'm going to use a spacer kit on a 7-speed Shimano hub. Here is an image of a 1992 Rockhopper Comp. It has the vertical dropouts and thus a chain tensioner. I'm looking at the same size, same year Rockhopper with forward facing dropouts. It should look pretty much the same and that excites me because this is a tough looking bike! https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5G5SFngBoPU/U9VT3AVzZPI/ABQ/7lNvn7Zr3qI/s1600/+1992+RockHopper+Single+Speed.JPG On Sunday, July 27, 2014 1:28:25 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like it will be a good bike! I'm not super-versed in them, but the later-steel Rockhoppers look like real good bikes. This era I'm guessing: http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/bik/4589937760.html The earlier ones are probably more relaxed re-pack geometry I would think: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/bik/4589450453.html I've seen several real old Stumpies recently as well. They seem to have the really shallow angles though, double check those. I tell ya, mid-80's Specialized designed some good bikes. Allez, Stumpjumper, Sequoia, Expedition, Rockhopper. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:09 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com wrote: As a further evolution of my bike preferences, I've decided to build up a dedicated single-speed bike. My Devil frameset would work well for this but I want to use 26 wheels. My 83-84 MTB has the right dropouts but it's just not that much fun to ride. I think my mid-life crisis is revolving around bicycles instead of sports cars and I want a bike to recreate my childhood riding. I've set my sights on some vintage MTB framesets with the forward-facing dropouts. Right now the leader is the early 90's Rockhoppers. From what I can find, they are all cro-mo, have the shorter chainstays I like, have reasonable top-tube lengths and have the all-important dropouts. I'd love to pick up a sporty geometry Stumpjumper with the really good tubing but right now I don't want to spend the time it would take to find one. Plus, I'm not even sure the Stumpjumper with the geometry and dropouts I want even exists. My biggest question is going to be tires. I'm currently running a set of 55mm Big Apples but one is defective and by the time I figured out it was the tire and not the wheel, the window for returning it had passed. I'm thinking 2.0 Kojaks, the largest Racer or the Compass 44mm tires will be what I will go with. This will literally be a bike that probably never leaves the neighborhood. We have a very large greenbelt with concrete sidewalk paths throughout. If I pick the right time of day (or if weather is questionable) there are virtually no pedestrians and the
Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!
Thank you, Sir Patrick for the flattery... but it's simply the truth...there's just something about brass... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
In light of the article describing carbon as explosive, along with our existing bias, probably zero. Maybe ten. I wouldn't. If I got a carbon bike, it would have a steel fork, but my only attraction to a carbon frame is to do weird stuff like add a 650B kickback hub and dynamo wheel to it. It's more interesting for its meaning than its qualities. I am certain that in the future, there will be a tougher form of carbon/grapheme/what-have-you used for bicycle frames that will be able to handle braze-ons and scratches. The claim that nothing exists without having been imagined, I disagree with. Lots of stuff just happens. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
Yes, penicillin is a great example of something earth changing that happened on accident. On Jul 27, 2014 8:38 PM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: In light of the article describing carbon as explosive, along with our existing bias, probably zero. Maybe ten. I wouldn't. If I got a carbon bike, it would have a steel fork, but my only attraction to a carbon frame is to do weird stuff like add a 650B kickback hub and dynamo wheel to it. It's more interesting for its meaning than its qualities. I am certain that in the future, there will be a tougher form of carbon/grapheme/what-have-you used for bicycle frames that will be able to handle braze-ons and scratches. The claim that nothing exists without having been imagined, I disagree with. Lots of stuff just happens. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Jamboree and Entmoot shirts and patches
I should be able to ship the second run of patches out on or about August 3rd. Thanks for the orders and the shop feedback! Entmoot Patches: http://etsy.me/1ycii2f Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
My third child is the other great example. Totally unplanned for. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, penicillin is a great example of something earth changing that happened on accident. On Jul 27, 2014 8:38 PM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: In light of the article describing carbon as explosive, along with our existing bias, probably zero. Maybe ten. I wouldn't. If I got a carbon bike, it would have a steel fork, but my only attraction to a carbon frame is to do weird stuff like add a 650B kickback hub and dynamo wheel to it. It's more interesting for its meaning than its qualities. I am certain that in the future, there will be a tougher form of carbon/grapheme/what-have-you used for bicycle frames that will be able to handle braze-ons and scratches. The claim that nothing exists without having been imagined, I disagree with. Lots of stuff just happens. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
Ha, that made my wife laugh! On Jul 27, 2014 9:13 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: My third child is the other great example. Totally unplanned for. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, penicillin is a great example of something earth changing that happened on accident. On Jul 27, 2014 8:38 PM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: In light of the article describing carbon as explosive, along with our existing bias, probably zero. Maybe ten. I wouldn't. If I got a carbon bike, it would have a steel fork, but my only attraction to a carbon frame is to do weird stuff like add a 650B kickback hub and dynamo wheel to it. It's more interesting for its meaning than its qualities. I am certain that in the future, there will be a tougher form of carbon/grapheme/what-have-you used for bicycle frames that will be able to handle braze-ons and scratches. The claim that nothing exists without having been imagined, I disagree with. Lots of stuff just happens. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
I am a cautionary tale. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Ha, that made my wife laugh! On Jul 27, 2014 9:13 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: My third child is the other great example. Totally unplanned for. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, penicillin is a great example of something earth changing that happened on accident. On Jul 27, 2014 8:38 PM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: In light of the article describing carbon as explosive, along with our existing bias, probably zero. Maybe ten. I wouldn't. If I got a carbon bike, it would have a steel fork, but my only attraction to a carbon frame is to do weird stuff like add a 650B kickback hub and dynamo wheel to it. It's more interesting for its meaning than its qualities. I am certain that in the future, there will be a tougher form of carbon/grapheme/what-have-you used for bicycle frames that will be able to handle braze-ons and scratches. The claim that nothing exists without having been imagined, I disagree with. Lots of stuff just happens. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
David, Thanks for lightening this topic with some much needed humor and a dose of real life. Sincerely, Ryan safely returned to Michigan Hankinson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
Glad you made it back safe and sound! I think you earned the farthest traveled award! Hopefully you can also do the Midwestern rally that's coming up!!! Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Abcyclehank hankinso...@me.com wrote: David, Thanks for lightening this topic with some much needed humor and a dose of real life. Sincerely, Ryan safely returned to Michigan Hankinson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
All our kids are unplanned for and much prayed for. Grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
2/3 were intentional, that's all I can say... Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 6:59 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: All our kids are unplanned for and much prayed for. Grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: NYTimes: With carbon fiber replacing steel, bikes shatter in crashes
we thought about calling our younger daughter Margarita. On Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:59:39 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: All our kids are unplanned for and much prayed for. Grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!
First of all, thanks for the bell noise descriptions. That was very enlightening! Second- has anyone ever tried these bells? Pricey, but interesting design/material... http://sogrenibikes.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=1products_id=2 -E. On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you, Sir Patrick for the flattery... but it's simply the truth...there's just something about brass... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!
yes, my friend has the copper one on his Dahon to match copper fenders and extensive copper plate trim. Barely audible - does not ring, kinda pings On Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:23:55 PM UTC-5, Eunice Chang wrote: First of all, thanks for the bell noise descriptions. That was very enlightening! Second- has anyone ever tried these bells? Pricey, but interesting design/material... http://sogrenibikes.com/index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=1products_id=2 -E. On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Montclair BobbyB montcla...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Thank you, Sir Patrick for the flattery... but it's simply the truth...there's just something about brass... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] HEBIE STEERING DAMPER
Anyone know where I can get one in the states? If not, does anyone know of a comparable damper? Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: HEBIE STEERING DAMPER
VO makes one http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/racks/vo-wheel-stabilizer-xl.html On Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:54:20 PM UTC-5, Jared Volpe wrote: Anyone know where I can get one in the states? If not, does anyone know of a comparable damper? Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: MUSA Shorts
Been using my knickers for two seasons now, and I like them a lot. Comfortable, airy, seem durable, and a good length. The seams at both back pockets came out in the corners after a month or two, I sew it back, just a few centimeters of seam, and nothing more happened since then. When I got them I was surprised that they didn't have side pockets on the thigh area, I just saw it as a natural thing that all practical pants have pockets there, but no... And that's a drawback with them, it's quite annoying even having a set of keys in the front or back pockets while riding a bike. Having a phone or a wallet there is impossible. Still like them a lot, as I said... Johan Larsson, Sweden -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Cover of Bicycle Times Magazine
On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 4:52:36 PM UTC+2, Chris in Redding, Ca. wrote: Hey All, Anyone know anything about the build specs of the Mr. Gray's Hunq? I'm curious in general, but specifically about the bars. Thanks, Chris Redding, Ca. Looks like mtb-bars with about 15 degrees sweep, turned up side down. See on-one fleegle for an example, but there are many more. (It doesn't have to be a fancy bar just because it's a Rivendell...) Johan Larsson, Sweden -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
