Re: [RBW] More Clem on the Blug
On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 6:34:45 PM UTC-6, BSWP wrote: Can someone explain the top rear lug? It combines functions of joining top and seat tubes, and clamp for seat post, but also provides sockets for seat stays? Is that why the seat stays on the small and middle models are bent, so they cleanly fit into the top lug? On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 9:23:05 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I presume the seat stay sockets let it get built faster? I'd assumed that the seat stay sockets were primarily to gain rear tire clearance. If you look at the centerfold photo in the last catalog, where it was illustrated, you can see that the inside edge of the sockets sit a good 1/4 to 1/2 outboard of the seat tube diameter. Compared to a pair of typical, brazed spoon ends, it sure seems to widen things up and yield more space.I suppose they could have achieved basically the same thing by shaping the stays and curving them outward, but they clearly had notions about bending them in a *different* direction.I too would bet that they save some fabrication time... but then I recall where they were mentioned in this post: http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/46520755775/long-shen-trip This just made the idea sound like a bad business decision, so I wonder if that gain in efficiency alone would have been enough to make it worthwhile: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Green Caffeinated Wheelmen mugs back in, and questions about Riv style pre-oredering.
Presaling the Jamboree shirts and patches was the only way they could have happened. It was a big deal for me, and kind of a breakthrough as an artist. I'd do it again, but I don't think my bike friends would be that stoked about bandanas with Edward Abbey on them. The presale is the reason the patch prices will never go down. I feel that the people with the faith to pay upfront for what is only an idea should never say, oh, I should have waited. Presale good. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Pikes Peak Highway, First Attempt
Very good. Not at all about turning about before summiting, but rather having a complete assessment of the objective that includes the valuable retreat with assets intact. In the late '80s, my friend and I saw a sign at Lake San Cristobal, near Lake City, CO, that proclaimed Silverton 27 miles and accepted the challenge as a lunch ride, leaving the truck at the parking lot of a hotel. There was no lunch, Cinnamon Pass ate it and Engineer Pass made sure dinner was in danger too. Spent the night in Silverton so beaten by the ride that we opted for a road retreat around the mountain, first to Durango (met Ned Overend at Ed Zink's Moutain Bike Specialists), then up Wolf Creek Pass and back up the Rio Grande to Spar City. A debt for the hubris upon which we acted. We were spared from the full cost of our overestimations on the climb out of Pagosa Springs where a Creede local recognized us and took us the rest of the way. The best adventures are those you finish on your own terms and may tell of to others, not those you only finish. Great pictures and description of the magnitude of effect the wind can present. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08:43 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: My brain was a no-go yesterday and I was reflecting on how there is no substitute for being out riding or running or camping. Nothing approximates and one of those things, let alone the combo of bikepacking. So it was with elation that I woke this morning to clear skies and happy brain and headed down from our house to the Pikes Peak Highway turn-off to climb back up again. Wow! Did it feel good to be pedaling my way up the highway. Early on after the toll booth I switched to my low gear of 32-22 on the flip-flop side. The ride to Crystal Reservoir is steady climbing but relatively easy as it’s in the woods, protected mostly from the wind, and still at the altitudes I ride frequently (8-10,000 feet). Things got interesting a bit after the halfway point (9.5 miles). The road was much more exposed to the wind, and it was steady at 30 mph with gusts to 40. The grade of the road was such that I may have been able to ride it sitting down without wind, but it would have been pushing it. Of course, standing make me a huge wall for the wind to blow against, trying heartily to send to backwards downhill. The next three miles to Glen Cove were very challenging. I stopped about ever half mile or so for a mini-breather, kicking into high-altitude climbing mode 3-4 miles before I figured I would. There was brief respite from the wind on occasional short sections of switchbacks, and I made it up these with relative ease, so perhaps on a less windy day that estimate would hold. I steadily made it to Glen Cove, 7 miles shy the summit. Of course those seven are likely doubly harder than the previous 12.5. Being near treeline, there was nothing to stop the wind, and the direction of the highway was mostly into its teeth. I tried standing pedaling and was able to inch my way forward. That, and me being wimpy, all combined to make the decision to turn around an easy one. The descent. Sublime. Wow. Smooth, curved flowing road. Amazing! Then I caught up with a vehicle and had to slow way, way down. On a straight-away I was able to pass, and did this several times. Passed bike tourists on the “we drive you up, you bike down” tour. The support van driver had cheered me on on the way up (in a good, didn’t startle me way). The 4 mile section from the base of the PPH is a very familiar 4 miles of gentle climbing I usually do in 40-16t. Since I was already in that from the descent, I decided to stay in it and see how I did, to get a benchmark of if I was out of shape, or if the wind was a big factor. I had a headwind back, but rode it with ease. Hopefully that bodes well for the next time I give this a go, which I look forward to doing! https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157648378500158/ With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Green Caffeinated Wheelmen mugs back in, and questions about Riv style pre-oredering.
Philip, Desert Solitaire is one of my favorite books. I find myself rereading the first few chapters every year. In Desert Solitaire Abbey masterfully conveys the beauty and magic of an area I love and never get to spend enough time. Abbey is an American original, though I don't agree with everything he wrote. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Surly after Riv
Bruce, that post was why sarcasm on the internet never works (in the long run it damages relationships Sarcasm transliterates putrefying thought and that's what it does - it plants a thought that grows worse with time). Hope you're not stinging too bad. Surly gets my vote over the mass market manufacturers, but yes, Rivendell does it with aplomb. On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 7:43:13 PM UTC-5, Bruce Smitham wrote: Well I never said that Rivendell invented that stuff, it looks so familiar to what Riv is doing. I guess it's just a matter of taste and I now prefer the Riv over the Surly. I wouldn't say that the Police or The Rolling Stones invented music, drums or reggae music but I prefer them over anything that sounds like them on the radio like Bruno Mars! After many, many bikes I pulled the trigger on a Riv Sam Hillborne and it's the best fitting/riding bike I've owned. Now my Surly Pacer hangs in the garage waiting for a local business trip so I can stuff it in the trunk of my car while my Riv's stand in the garage asking me where do you want to go today? On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:01:19 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Silly of me, its called the Petersen-Bessemer Process duh! On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Goshen Peter uscpet...@gmail.com wrote: and the process for making steel, I believe its called the Grant-Bessemer Process On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com wrote: Rivendell didn't invent wool, they invented sheep! ;-P On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 6:18:05 AM UTC-7, justin...@gmail.com wrote: I am so glad that Rivendell invented the following: - Horizontal top tubes - Gently sloping top tubes - Lugs - Braze ons - Nitto components - Wool - Stripes - Chambray - Plaid - Baskets - Contrarianism - seat head tube angles - Platform pedals I feel blessed to be able to bask in the light of the one, true bike company. -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Clem on the Blug
I love that the fork crown has braze-on attachments on top. Something I've wished for in my Hilsen many a time.. I also love the clearance, the laid-backness, etc. I've got a 29er, but I haven't barely touched it since getting my Riv a year and a half ago. I could definitely see myself selling it and adding a 59 Clem Smith Jr. to the stable for trails and hauling kids. Count me as excited! Avery -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Pikes Peak Highway, First Attempt
Good on ya Deacon! And Andy could write copy for the Patagonia catalog - great description of adventuring. -JimD On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:42 AM, ascpgh asc@gmail.com wrote: Very good. Not at all about turning about before summiting, but rather having a complete assessment of the objective that includes the valuable retreat with assets intact. In the late '80s, my friend and I saw a sign at Lake San Cristobal, near Lake City, CO, that proclaimed Silverton 27 miles and accepted the challenge as a lunch ride, leaving the truck at the parking lot of a hotel. There was no lunch, Cinnamon Pass ate it and Engineer Pass made sure dinner was in danger too. Spent the night in Silverton so beaten by the ride that we opted for a road retreat around the mountain, first to Durango (met Ned Overend at Ed Zink's Moutain Bike Specialists), then up Wolf Creek Pass and back up the Rio Grande to Spar City. A debt for the hubris upon which we acted. We were spared from the full cost of our overestimations on the climb out of Pagosa Springs where a Creede local recognized us and took us the rest of the way. The best adventures are those you finish on your own terms and may tell of to others, not those you only finish. Great pictures and description of the magnitude of effect the wind can present. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08:43 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: My brain was a no-go yesterday and I was reflecting on how there is no substitute for being out riding or running or camping. Nothing approximates and one of those things, let alone the combo of bikepacking. So it was with elation that I woke this morning to clear skies and happy brain and headed down from our house to the Pikes Peak Highway turn-off to climb back up again. Wow! Did it feel good to be pedaling my way up the highway. Early on after the toll booth I switched to my low gear of 32-22 on the flip-flop side. The ride to Crystal Reservoir is steady climbing but relatively easy as it's in the woods, protected mostly from the wind, and still at the altitudes I ride frequently (8-10,000 feet). Things got interesting a bit after the halfway point (9.5 miles). The road was much more exposed to the wind, and it was steady at 30 mph with gusts to 40. The grade of the road was such that I may have been able to ride it sitting down without wind, but it would have been pushing it. Of course, standing make me a huge wall for the wind to blow against, trying heartily to send to backwards downhill. The next three miles to Glen Cove were very challenging. I stopped about ever half mile or so for a mini-breather, kicking into high-altitude climbing mode 3-4 miles before I figured I would. There was brief respite from the wind on occasional short sections of switchbacks, and I made it up these with relative ease, so perhaps on a less windy day that estimate would hold. I steadily made it to Glen Cove, 7 miles shy the summit. Of course those seven are likely doubly harder than the previous 12.5. Being near treeline, there was nothing to stop the wind, and the direction of the highway was mostly into its teeth. I tried standing pedaling and was able to inch my way forward. That, and me being wimpy, all combined to make the decision to turn around an easy one. The descent. Sublime. Wow. Smooth, curved flowing road. Amazing! Then I caught up with a vehicle and had to slow way, way down. On a straight-away I was able to pass, and did this several times. Passed bike tourists on the we drive you up, you bike down tour. The support van driver had cheered me on on the way up (in a good, didn't startle me way). The 4 mile section from the base of the PPH is a very familiar 4 miles of gentle climbing I usually do in 40-16t. Since I was already in that from the descent, I decided to stay in it and see how I did, to get a benchmark of if I was out of shape, or if the wind was a big factor. I had a headwind back, but rode it with ease. Hopefully that bodes well for the next time I give this a go, which I look forward to doing! https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157648378500158/ With abandon, Patrick www.MindYourHeadCoop.org www.OurHolyConception.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
Re: [RBW] Pikes Peak Highway, First Attempt
@ Pondero: Andy's got the spirit of the seemingly self effacing wimp. In the face of these mountains, which can throw extremes and multiple unexpecteds at any time, everyone is wimpy, puny, insignificant. The rock and the wind and the wet rein at will. The wise know this and learn to dance with the mountains rather than conquer them. Growing up here, I read countless accounts of experts at mountaineering, back county skiing, hiking, etc., whose friends posthumously praised their outdoor skills, and yet they were buried because of hubris. @ Andy: Och! Aye. The San Juans are amazing, brutal mountains. The first backpack trip my wife and I took together was 10 years after your adventure. The plan was Ouray to Silverton. The best maps were GSPS surveys from the '50's. Locals in Ouray said the trail was good, but they'd never taken it more than a day hike (that was our first clue). The morning of day two the trail vanished. Poof. absorbed by the still lush September fields of hard fought Summer's tundra growth (it takes a long time for trails to disappear at altitude). I triangulated our position and we continued on. Jeep trails not going anywhere we cared to were abundant, we got caught on a 13,000 foot saddle with zero count lightening and inch sized hail from which my pack descended 2000 feet under it's own power only denting our fuel bottle, and were utterly baffled as to where we were when a valley that ought to have held a lake did not. We worked our way out to the paved highway, hitched back to our car, and drove to Silverton. We learned the lake had been mined under a decade before and that because of high four-wheeling traffic, hikers no longer used those trails. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: More Clem on the Blug
Can someone explain the braze ons on top of the fork crown? I don't remember seeing that anywhere else. Is it for attaching a Mark's Rack? On Wednesday, 15 October 2014 20:05:17 UTC-4, James Warren wrote: Lots of questions answered. This bike would meet my expectations. Dirt capability and easy ability to take a front derailleur should you want to add one. It's going to be awesome! On Oct 14, 2014, at 7:50 AM, Jim Bronson wrote: I clamp mine on the top tube or seat tube every time, never a problem and never a scratch. I am careful about it though. On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:25 AM, Philip Williamson philip.w...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I've only ever clamped a seat post, never a tube. I've only had a work stand for a few years, though. I may have seen a shop clamp a tube once or twice... In the eighties. You know what sucks? Balancing the bike with your HEAD while you try to remove the bottom bracket. I put the bike in the stand to change a tire, now. Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. James Warren jimcw...@earthlink.net javascript: - 700x55 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] transactions-sell-buy-trade
for sale, rivendell betty foy, 48 cm, sage, 650b tires, fully equipped including brooks leather seat. purchased from rivendell last year new, ridden about 130 miles on pavement, perfect condition. paid about 2850 including shipping to east coast. asking 2000 bucks, firm. will ship. email if interested. I can email you pix...my pix files were too large for this post and I'm not very tech savvy, so ask please. pics attached: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Green Caffeinated Wheelmen mugs back in, and questions about Riv style pre-oredering.
+1 for desert solitaire On Oct 16, 2014 3:13 AM, WETH erlhous...@gmail.com wrote: Philip, Desert Solitaire is one of my favorite books. I find myself rereading the first few chapters every year. In Desert Solitaire Abbey masterfully conveys the beauty and magic of an area I love and never get to spend enough time. Abbey is an American original, though I don't agree with everything he wrote. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Green Caffeinated Wheelmen mugs back in, and questions about Riv style pre-oredering.
Dave, you hit my biggest worry right on target regarding delays. I was involved in a custom watch project through another forum that began in 2008 I think. Those just started shipping last month. It was really unsettling to see how much hate and negativity was unleashed by the delays, despite many of them being well out of control of those involved. And the real kicker...NO money was ever taken in advance. It's enlightening to see how many little (big) processes must be set into motion AND come together correctly just to get a simple shirt to market. Extrapolate that out to a bike frame and things must get interesting. Juggling chainsaws maybe. Even though my concern is simple screen printing, the idea of selling something new I've never had in hand feels nervous. I think that's where the history and reputation comes into play with what you guys do. And because you do it well it seems safer from this side. All for blue stripy wool. All over. Everything. Stripe the planet! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] HAR and Swift panniers?
(Apologies if this or a similar question has been answered already; my cursory search of earlier posts turned up nothing.) Anyone using the Hub Area Rack to support Swift Industries front panniers? Riv's HAR bags look good, but I'm already in the Swift ecosystem. Thanks. -- Bob -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Pikes Peak Highway, First Attempt
Deacon et al: My partner has posted a video of the Pike's Peak climb - - an amateur travel video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-9kzD7Wm7Mlist=PLq-X37FfuqZTUrbUk72O43FVOAEKxXfI9 he's done youtubes of many of his climbs up the Top 100 climbs in the US. They are kind of fun to watch: http://www.pjammcycling.com/top-1-25-u.s.-climbs.html keep climbing, friends... Max Beach Sonoma County CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: A. Homer visits the Big Apple - A report on a ride from NYC to Bear Mountain.
You forgot the part about making great new friends! On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Iron Rider 1000...@gmail.com wrote: I gave this rando thing a try 4 years ago and haven't stopped since. I would never try to talk anyone into doing this sport but I would tell anyone that if you love to ride a bike, enjoy some of the best scenery offered to cyclists and relish a challenge - Randonneuring offers it all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Green Caffeinated Wheelmen mugs back in, and questions about Riv style pre-oredering.
RBW list-dwellers are a pretty unique pool of people. Consider the amount of items bought and sold here that are paid and shipped with trust and good intentions. I'm projecting a bit, but I don't think any of us would be too thrown off by a pre-sale item. Big-money items are different than a patch, mug or shirt, but I wouldn't put them out of the question, either. But even outside of the RBW orbit, I can think of Elephant bikes which is doing a run of frames pre-sale, sight unseen http://www.elephantbikes.com/blog/2014/09/14/stock-nfe-project.html I came real close to getting one, and eventually decided not to, NOT because of the pre-sale (which I never questioned for a second) but I just can't justify yet another bike at the moment. Give me a few more months... On Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:20:17 AM UTC-7, jinxed wrote: Dave, you hit my biggest worry right on target regarding delays. I was involved in a custom watch project through another forum that began in 2008 I think. Those just started shipping last month. It was really unsettling to see how much hate and negativity was unleashed by the delays, despite many of them being well out of control of those involved. And the real kicker...NO money was ever taken in advance. It's enlightening to see how many little (big) processes must be set into motion AND come together correctly just to get a simple shirt to market. Extrapolate that out to a bike frame and things must get interesting. Juggling chainsaws maybe. Even though my concern is simple screen printing, the idea of selling something new I've never had in hand feels nervous. I think that's where the history and reputation comes into play with what you guys do. And because you do it well it seems safer from this side. All for blue stripy wool. All over. Everything. Stripe the planet! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Pikes Peak Highway, First Attempt
It would be nice if you could download a copy of his spreadsheet ;) On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 11:16 AM, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: Deacon et al: My partner has posted a video of the Pike's Peak climb - - an amateur travel video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-9kzD7Wm7Mlist=PLq-X37FfuqZTUrbUk72O43FVOAEKxXfI9 he's done youtubes of many of his climbs up the Top 100 climbs in the US. They are kind of fun to watch: http://www.pjammcycling.com/top-1-25-u.s.-climbs.html keep climbing, friends... Max Beach Sonoma County CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Green Caffeinated Wheelmen mugs back in, and questions about Riv style pre-oredering.
Elephant made me a very nice offer on a full custom frame as part of that run, but ultimately I acquired a complete Redwood instead. It was a lot more cost effective that way and I know that I will like my new to me Redwood, because it's a Rivendell. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 11:44 AM, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: RBW list-dwellers are a pretty unique pool of people. Consider the amount of items bought and sold here that are paid and shipped with trust and good intentions. I'm projecting a bit, but I don't think any of us would be too thrown off by a pre-sale item. Big-money items are different than a patch, mug or shirt, but I wouldn't put them out of the question, either. But even outside of the RBW orbit, I can think of Elephant bikes which is doing a run of frames pre-sale, sight unseen http://www.elephantbikes.com/blog/2014/09/14/stock-nfe-project.html I came real close to getting one, and eventually decided not to, NOT because of the pre-sale (which I never questioned for a second) but I just can't justify yet another bike at the moment. Give me a few more months... On Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:20:17 AM UTC-7, jinxed wrote: Dave, you hit my biggest worry right on target regarding delays. I was involved in a custom watch project through another forum that began in 2008 I think. Those just started shipping last month. It was really unsettling to see how much hate and negativity was unleashed by the delays, despite many of them being well out of control of those involved. And the real kicker...NO money was ever taken in advance. It's enlightening to see how many little (big) processes must be set into motion AND come together correctly just to get a simple shirt to market. Extrapolate that out to a bike frame and things must get interesting. Juggling chainsaws maybe. Even though my concern is simple screen printing, the idea of selling something new I've never had in hand feels nervous. I think that's where the history and reputation comes into play with what you guys do. And because you do it well it seems safer from this side. All for blue stripy wool. All over. Everything. Stripe the planet! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: A. Homer visits the Big Apple - A report on a ride from NYC to Bear Mountain.
Jim B. You're absolutely right. The randos I have met, and I have met quite a few, have been a great group of people. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Pikes Peak Highway, First Attempt
Inspiring report, great pictures. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] More Clem on the Blug
I can't see the pictures from where I'm at, but yeah, if they can gain a full 1/2 inch or more, then that's a good reason! On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:23:43 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote: On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 6:34:45 PM UTC-6, BSWP wrote: Can someone explain the top rear lug? It combines functions of joining top and seat tubes, and clamp for seat post, but also provides sockets for seat stays? Is that why the seat stays on the small and middle models are bent, so they cleanly fit into the top lug? On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 9:23:05 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I presume the seat stay sockets let it get built faster? I'd assumed that the seat stay sockets were primarily to gain rear tire clearance. If you look at the centerfold photo in the last catalog, where it was illustrated, you can see that the inside edge of the sockets sit a good 1/4 to 1/2 outboard of the seat tube diameter. Compared to a pair of typical, brazed spoon ends, it sure seems to widen things up and yield more space.I suppose they could have achieved basically the same thing by shaping the stays and curving them outward, but they clearly had notions about bending them in a *different* direction.I too would bet that they save some fabrication time... but then I recall where they were mentioned in this post: http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/46520755775/long-shen-trip This just made the idea sound like a bad business decision, so I wonder if that gain in efficiency alone would have been enough to make it worthwhile: -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Green Caffeinated Wheelmen mugs back in, and questions about Riv style pre-oredering.
Agreed about this list. IMO, if this list was the only market a business had, they would have a small, but very dedicated and trustworthy pool of customers. Although the ACW stuff has a decent following outside these members, I consider this place my largest source of inspiration and encouragement to keep at it. I see just ride, but I hear just ride and make coffee. On Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:44:44 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: RBW list-dwellers are a pretty unique pool of people. Consider the amount of items bought and sold here that are paid and shipped with trust and good intentions. I'm projecting a bit, but I don't think any of us would be too thrown off by a pre-sale item. Big-money items are different than a patch, mug or shirt, but I wouldn't put them out of the question, either. But even outside of the RBW orbit, I can think of Elephant bikes which is doing a run of frames pre-sale, sight unseen http://www.elephantbikes.com/blog/2014/09/14/stock-nfe-project.html I came real close to getting one, and eventually decided not to, NOT because of the pre-sale (which I never questioned for a second) but I just can't justify yet another bike at the moment. Give me a few more months... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Pikes Peak Highway, First Attempt
Thank you, Max! Very impressive. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:16:05 AM UTC-6, reynoldslugs wrote: Deacon et al: My partner has posted a video of the Pike's Peak climb - - an amateur travel video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-9kzD7Wm7Mlist=PLq-X37FfuqZTUrbUk72O43FVOAEKxXfI9 he's done youtubes of many of his climbs up the Top 100 climbs in the US. They are kind of fun to watch: http://www.pjammcycling.com/top-1-25-u.s.-climbs.html keep climbing, friends... Max Beach Sonoma County CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Pikes Peak Highway, First Attempt
Enough about Pike's Peak, I want to know more about Santa's workshop! Are the elves there being exploited??? On Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:36:49 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Thank you, Max! Very impressive. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:16:05 AM UTC-6, reynoldslugs wrote: Deacon et al: My partner has posted a video of the Pike's Peak climb - - an amateur travel video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-9kzD7Wm7Mlist=PLq-X37FfuqZTUrbUk72O43FVOAEKxXfI9 he's done youtubes of many of his climbs up the Top 100 climbs in the US. They are kind of fun to watch: http://www.pjammcycling.com/top-1-25-u.s.-climbs.html keep climbing, friends... Max Beach Sonoma County CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Pikes Peak Highway, First Attempt
Considering what qualifies as being racist or hateful these days: by someone's definition of exploitation, indubitably, my good man, indubitably. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Pikes Peak Highway, First Attempt
I'm prepared to alert S.P.E.W! On Thursday, October 16, 2014 1:39:54 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: Considering what qualifies as being racist or hateful these days: by someone's definition of exploitation, indubitably, my good man, indubitably. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: HAR and Swift panniers?
On Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:08:28 AM UTC-5, Bob Cook wrote: (Apologies if this or a similar question has been answered already; my cursory search of earlier posts turned up nothing.) Anyone using the Hub Area Rack to support Swift Industries front panniers? Riv's HAR bags look good, but I'm already in the Swift ecosystem. The HAR works great with Ortlieb panniers. If the Swifts use a similar (i.e. adjustable) mounting style there should be no problem; I can measure whatever if you want to be 100%. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What's the safety rule for metal fender size/clearance?
Are your tire scrapers installed backwards? Can't they be forced under the fender? On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:05:10 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote: here's the best safety option for Honjo fenders - tire wipers - Compass sells them. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aP5280024.jpg You can see them at the bottom of my fenders. They keep Everything except dust and water out of the fenders - they even scrape mud (within reason). No sticks, no rocks, no chert - they reject it all. As far as clearance goes, if you can see air, it's too much, and the fenders won't be able to do their job. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/700c/aaaP3150005.jpg On Monday, October 13, 2014 10:46:09 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: 1. How much clearance above tread, all around tire? 2. How much clearance from sides of tire (where the rolled edges envelope sides of tire)? 3. Should I just get the widest fender that will fit on the bike? I am hoping to settle on 32-42mm Compass/GB tires for my Bleriot. I have Hetres on it now, but no fenders yet. I will have to re-check the latest BQ issue for the fender safety article. I think it said minimum 1.7cm vertical clearance all around tread? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: A. Homer visits the Big Apple - A report on a ride from NYC to Bear Mountain.
Great report, I felt like I was right there with you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Green Caffeinated Wheelmen mugs back in, and questions about Riv style pre-oredering.
Yeah, put me down for 10 Edward Abbey bandanna's, Phil! Brian Hanson Seattle, WA (Heart is in Moab...) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
