[RBW] Re: 1985 trek 870 rivified and rebuilt

[Ron Mc]

came out nice Drew - thanks for posting the photos

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Re: [RBW] Rohloff IGH Questions

[Tim Gavin]

Personally, I'm tempted by a Rohloff for winter use.  I've had lots or
trouble with derailleur drivetrains with ice and snow.

My dream build:
Titanium frame
4-5" fat tires
Rohloff hub
Enclosed chain case, or Gates belt drive

My current fat bike eats chains regularly; that's expensive, especially
since I'm feeding it Wippermanns.

I don't think I'd equip a "normal" touring bike with a Rohloff; I've had
very few drivetrain problems except for during winter.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Curious: Since modern derailleur drivetrains are so amazingly reliable --
> I can speak with certainty of 9 speeds and with some confidence about 10
> speeds, and these both frictioned and indexed -- what is the value of
> Rohloff if you are not doing a world tour?
>
> I'm curious as an onlooker -- I have no desire to buy a Rohloff or, for
> that matter, an 11-speed derailleur drivetrain -- about the pluses and
> minuses in both columns.
>
> Now, IGHs -- that's another matter. I can easily see myself getting 2 or 3
> speed wheels to supplement the fixed wheels on my customs. But for more
> than that, after researching and pondering the options, I just can't see
> that IGHs trump derailleurs for the sort of riding most of us do, whether
> on- or off-road. My (Chauncey! What's happening!)
> God-willing-shortly-forthcoming "road bike for dirt" will have a 1X9 +
> granny ring.
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[RBW] 1985 trek 870 rivified and rebuilt

[true]

Very nicely done Drew.

I really like your Trek rebuild.

I expect you are going to enjoy many great rides on it.

http://vintage-trek.com/images/trek/85All-Terrain.pdf

I took a look at the specs on the vintage Trek site, Tange Prestige...nice.

I am sure enjoying several rigid vintage mtb's I have rebuilt, two of them 
Trek's but 5 years newer than yours (1990)
so the geometry changed by then.

However, last week I picked up a 22" 1985 or 86 Diamondback Apex that has 
pretty relaxed angles as well.
I completely disassembled it yesterday afternoon and hope to start the rebuild 
today as the paint is pretty good
and a repaint/powdercoat is not necessary. It has double butted Infiniity 
tubing.
I wonder what the main differences were between the Prestige and Infinity of 
that era?

Did you happen to weigh the frame?
I have been weighing the various vintage mtb frames b4 rebuilding and so far 
7.5 to 8.5 lbs is the range of the bare frame/fork
weights although I had one tank of a Hardrock that was  9.6 pounds for bare 
frame and fork. Sold that one.
Of course all of mine have been 21,22, or 23" frames.

These are cool bikes to build up on a budget.
I have done the donation/transfer of parts thing quite a few times.

Safe pedaling,

Paul in Dallas

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[RBW] Re: 1985 trek 870 rivified and rebuilt

[Montclair BobbyB]

Correction... DREW!!!  Awesome job!!!  BB

On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 9:59:31 AM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> Bravo, Chris!!  That's one of my favorite frames, and you've nailed it. 
>  Perfect rebuild, brings out the absolute best in this bike... enjoy that 
> beauty for a long time.
> We did a group ride yesterday on a collection of (converted) 80s MTBs 
> (Rockhopper, Bianchi Grizzly and Schwinn Cimarron).  They're pure joy.  

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[RBW] Re: Practical water-resistance of Shopsacks?

[gordo]

Hey Justin,

My medium Shopsack held up just fine in this morning's 35-minute commute 
through heavy rain in SF.  The only downside is that the bag gets a bit 
heavy from absorbing some of the water, although this is a small price to 
pay for having dry goods.  I keep a small trash bin liner in the bag in the 
event of a torrential downpour - it's easy enough to place the Shopsack 
inside the plastic bag if leakage is a concern).

It took me a long time to justify buying a $55 tote bag.  However, it has 
been one of my best purchases over the last few years.

Congratulations on the wedding - the weather should be nice and clear by 
Saturday.

- Eric

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 7:18:57 AM UTC-8, Justin August wrote:
>
> Hey folks-
> Rainy season in the Bay Area is here! Just in time for my wedding on 
> Saturday...
>
> But more importantly - I carry a tote everyday whether in bike or on bus 
> during my commute. I have a nice new Marmot PreCip jacket and would like to 
> give my stuff a similarly nice home. I was looking at the ShopSacks but I 
> don't know how resistant/proof they are to water. 
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> -J
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: MUSA stripe long sleeve size medium

[gordo]

Hey Folks,

I've worn my purple MUSA stripe long sleeve shirt almost every day over the 
last year or so.  It is starting to get holes in a few spots and I'm 
getting nervous - by chance does anyone have a spare (purple or blue) that 
they'd be willing to part with?  

I'd be happy to buy the shirt or can offer the following items for trade:

- set of Riv Sackville mudflaps
- Nitto Noodle 46 cm (used but never crashed)
- Nitto M176 Dream bars 46 cm (used but never crashed)
- set of Clement PDX folding tires (less than 200 miles on them)
- brand new Vuelta 94 bcd chainrings - 46t outer (silver), 30 inner (black)
- size medium men's Ibex Duo cycling shorts (worn maybe 10 times and in 
great shape)

Thanks for your time,

Eric 
San Francisco, CA

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[RBW] Practical water-resistance of Shopsacks?

[Justin August]

Hey folks-
Rainy season in the Bay Area is here! Just in time for my wedding on Saturday...

But more importantly - I carry a tote everyday whether in bike or on bus during 
my commute. I have a nice new Marmot PreCip jacket and would like to give my 
stuff a similarly nice home. I was looking at the ShopSacks but I don't know 
how resistant/proof they are to water. 

Any thoughts?

-J

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[RBW] Re: Practical water-resistance of Shopsacks?

[Shoji Takahashi]

I have the tan and olive shopsacks (one large, one medium). The material is 
essentially waterproof in Boston-area rainstorms during a commute ~40min.

However-- I don't think the zippers are waterproof. I could imagine that an 
unlucky orientation could cause water to leak through the zippers. 

Good luck-- And best wishes on your wedding, Justin!

shoji



On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 10:18:57 AM UTC-5, Justin August wrote:
>
> Hey folks-
> Rainy season in the Bay Area is here! Just in time for my wedding on 
> Saturday...
>
> But more importantly - I carry a tote everyday whether in bike or on bus 
> during my commute. I have a nice new Marmot PreCip jacket and would like to 
> give my stuff a similarly nice home. I was looking at the ShopSacks but I 
> don't know how resistant/proof they are to water. 
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> -J
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Medium Grey Sackville Saddle bag new

[Philip Kim]

Hey justin, sorry both sold : (

On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 10:22:24 PM UTC-4, Justin August wrote:
>
> Is the shop sack still around or dos that go as well?
>
> -J
>

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[RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

[Matthew J]

Front is 46.  Rear cassette is a Jeff Jones Bike modified Shimano 9 Speed 
.  Jeff altered the cassette 
so it works on a single speed hub, allowing a dishless wheel.

I tour mainly in the upper Midwest with its relatively flat terrain (but 
occasional and sometimes quite steep hills).  Jeff''s standard gearing was 
a little loose, so the gearing is now 14, 17, 20, 26, 30, 34.  

Unfortunately it does not appear Jeff is making these anymore.  I imagine 
you could do pretty much the same with a standard 9 speed cassette using an 
offset rim instead of dishless.  

Pictures of the bike here 
. 
 Handlebars are now MAP / Ahearne.  Wound up having to switch to TRP mini-v 
brakes as the Paul Mini Motos would not accommodate fenders with the tire 
size I wanted.  Too bad as the Mini Motos stop much better than the TRP.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto M12, Passhunter, Threaded headset Decaleur

[Ryan Ray]

Someone convinced me to just go without a bag for a while and spend the 
cash on a Haulin'Colin. My frame has the braze-ons for it. My tiny macbook 
and U-Lock are already at the weight limit for one of the mini racks like 
the M-12 and Pass hunter. Thanks for the responses and fun trade offers.

- Ryan

On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 8:19:39 PM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> I'm swapping out the brand new stainless Soma Porteur rack for a M12 style 
> rack and a low rider set up. Its for sale too if you are interested.
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[Philip Kim]

I may be wrong, but isn't that why they are pre-ordering? To give the 
manufactures exact number so they don't get leftover sizing?

On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 10:54:48 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> By that method (overloading your cart with >10 in every size), it looks 
> like that as of Nov 1 2015, people have pre-ordered
>
> Zero -  46cm
> 2 - 51cm
> 6 - 55cm
> 3 - 58cm
> 1 - 62cm
>
> If they really need to limit the first run to 50 (for whatever reason), it 
> seems they'd be a lot better off building a lot fewer of the tiny ones, and 
> a lot more of the medium sized ones.  
>
> Like maybe 
>
> 46cm - 3
> 51cm - 8
> 55cm - 20
> 58cm - 12
> 62cm - 7
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 5:13:07 PM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>>
>> Add a bunch (10 or more) to the cart and it'll let you know how many are 
>> in stock.
>> David
>> Chicago
>>
>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 7:09:21 PM UTC-5, William R. wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Chris, how did you find out how many 55's were left? Is that posted 
>>> somewhere or did you talk to Riv? Just wondering because those would be 
>>> interesting numbers to know. I wonder if Riv would/could extend quantities 
>>> to, say 20 in certain sizes if 10 sold really fast. I also wonder what 
>>> would happen if they did not sell 10 in any sizes. How that would effect 
>>> things.
>>>
>>> -Bill (wondering in Westchester, NY)
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[Shoji Takahashi]

I think it's more of a cash flow thing. Manufacturers probably want to set 
up once (for each size) to cut tubes, set up jigs, weld, and be done with 
'em. Each time they change to a different size/spec, there's time lost. 

Riv will probably be fine with a few unsold frames-- but paying for all the 
frames upfront is tough to manage. 

(I think the Clem situation of selling all the pre-sale frames was unusual, 
and not really expected. Goes to show the demand for a well-thought bike at 
a nice price point.)

Hope Riv sells out of these, too. I'd love to have one, but the overlap 
with my Rivs and own cashflow means I'll probably pass for now.

happy riding,
shoji


On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 9:20:37 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> I may be wrong, but isn't that why they are pre-ordering? To give the 
> manufactures exact number so they don't get leftover sizing?
>
> On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 10:54:48 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> By that method (overloading your cart with >10 in every size), it looks 
>> like that as of Nov 1 2015, people have pre-ordered
>>
>> Zero -  46cm
>> 2 - 51cm
>> 6 - 55cm
>> 3 - 58cm
>> 1 - 62cm
>>
>> If they really need to limit the first run to 50 (for whatever reason), 
>> it seems they'd be a lot better off building a lot fewer of the tiny ones, 
>> and a lot more of the medium sized ones.  
>>
>> Like maybe 
>>
>> 46cm - 3
>> 51cm - 8
>> 55cm - 20
>> 58cm - 12
>> 62cm - 7
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 5:13:07 PM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>>>
>>> Add a bunch (10 or more) to the cart and it'll let you know how many are 
>>> in stock.
>>> David
>>> Chicago
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 7:09:21 PM UTC-5, William R. wrote:

 Hey Chris, how did you find out how many 55's were left? Is that posted 
 somewhere or did you talk to Riv? Just wondering because those would be 
 interesting numbers to know. I wonder if Riv would/could extend quantities 
 to, say 20 in certain sizes if 10 sold really fast. I also wonder what 
 would happen if they did not sell 10 in any sizes. How that would effect 
 things.

 -Bill (wondering in Westchester, NY)

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Velo Orange Stainless Porteur Rack $125 shipped

[Ryan Ray]

Oops. It's the Soma one, not the VO one.




On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 7:54:11 AM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> Installed once and used twice. Didn't fit on my frame due to many other 
> considerations. Paid $200 at retail a week ago.
>

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[RBW] FS: Velo Orange Stainless Porteur Rack $125 shipped

[Ryan Ray]

Installed once and used twice. Didn't fit on my frame due to many other 
considerations. Paid $200 at retail a week ago.

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[Philip Kim]

Ahh, that makes sense. I didn't think about the manufacturing logistics. 
The Joe looks like a great bike too, I recently sold my Hillborne frameset, 
because I wanted something with more clearance. Cant afford to plunk down 
$2100 for a preorder even if it's a great deal. Once/if frameset comes 
along, I will definitely pounce on it.

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 9:50:14 AM UTC-5, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
> I think it's more of a cash flow thing. Manufacturers probably want to set 
> up once (for each size) to cut tubes, set up jigs, weld, and be done with 
> 'em. Each time they change to a different size/spec, there's time lost. 
>
> Riv will probably be fine with a few unsold frames-- but paying for all 
> the frames upfront is tough to manage. 
>
> (I think the Clem situation of selling all the pre-sale frames was 
> unusual, and not really expected. Goes to show the demand for a 
> well-thought bike at a nice price point.)
>
> Hope Riv sells out of these, too. I'd love to have one, but the overlap 
> with my Rivs and own cashflow means I'll probably pass for now.
>
> happy riding,
> shoji
>
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 9:20:37 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> I may be wrong, but isn't that why they are pre-ordering? To give the 
>> manufactures exact number so they don't get leftover sizing?
>>
>> On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 10:54:48 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> By that method (overloading your cart with >10 in every size), it looks 
>>> like that as of Nov 1 2015, people have pre-ordered
>>>
>>> Zero -  46cm
>>> 2 - 51cm
>>> 6 - 55cm
>>> 3 - 58cm
>>> 1 - 62cm
>>>
>>> If they really need to limit the first run to 50 (for whatever reason), 
>>> it seems they'd be a lot better off building a lot fewer of the tiny ones, 
>>> and a lot more of the medium sized ones.  
>>>
>>> Like maybe 
>>>
>>> 46cm - 3
>>> 51cm - 8
>>> 55cm - 20
>>> 58cm - 12
>>> 62cm - 7
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 5:13:07 PM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:

 Add a bunch (10 or more) to the cart and it'll let you know how many 
 are in stock.
 David
 Chicago

 On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 7:09:21 PM UTC-5, William R. wrote:
>
> Hey Chris, how did you find out how many 55's were left? Is that 
> posted somewhere or did you talk to Riv? Just wondering because those 
> would 
> be interesting numbers to know. I wonder if Riv would/could extend 
> quantities to, say 20 in certain sizes if 10 sold really fast. I also 
> wonder what would happen if they did not sell 10 in any sizes. How that 
> would effect things.
>
> -Bill (wondering in Westchester, NY)
>


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[RBW] Re: Practical water-resistance of Shopsacks?

[BSWP]

I have an untreated grid-grey shopsack for my medium Wald baskets. The rain 
comes right through eventually, so I carry an ultralight dry bag and put 
everything that needs to stay dry into it, and that seems to work fine.

- Andrew, Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

[John Phillips]

Thanks Mitch, 

I have the Compass Barlow Pass EL tires on my Hunq at home, and was 
curious how these would differ. 

John 

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 10:31:38 AM UTC-8, Mitch Browne wrote:
>
> I have tried both Compass EL and Soma EX 700c tires in recent weeks 
> and find the Compass feels much more plush. I believe the difference 
> between casings between the two have been discussed in recent threads. 
> I do find the Soma sidewalls to be a little more stiff. 
>
> I have a set of Soma SL tires (insanity thrives) coming in a day or 
> two for fair SL to EL comparison. 
>
> If Compass made 700c x 42 I'd go for those without a doubt. Each rider 
> knows their limits in terms of wear, use, budget so EL's won't work 
> for everyone. I am at my limit ;) 
>
> Compass tires have no minimum air pressure or direction on sidewall. 
> Soma says minimum of 40 psi. In my opinion they can go a few pounds 
> lower but due to stiffer tread (by design for wear) they start to feel 
> squirrely at 35 in the rear. 
>
> Mitch Browne 
> San Luis Obispo, CA 
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 10:19 AM, John Phillips  > wrote: 
> > Has anyone tried these yet? My pair of Soma Vitesse extra wear tread 
> just 
> > arrived at my office. 
> > 
> > John 
> > 
> > On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 7:26:25 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: 
> >> 
> >> https://instagram.com/p/8mMR3jotbY/ 
> >> 
> >> Check out these new tires that just dropped from Soma! This is what 
> I've 
> >> been waiting for on my Atlantis, something like the 650x42 Compass tire 
> but 
> >> in 700. They've also got a 38mm version 
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Practical water-resistance of Shopsacks?

[Robert F. Harrison]

I recently rode home from camping with a smaller green shopsack, HAR bags,
and a larger saddlesack through very heavy rain for about an hour.Nothing
inside my bags got wet. I do carry some plastic shopping bags that can be
used for specific items if I'm worried. I also tend to put electronic
things in plastic bags, though honestly that's more to keep them together
and unscratched than dry.

Aloha,

Bob

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 7:55 AM, BSWP  wrote:

> I have an untreated grid-grey shopsack for my medium Wald baskets. The
> rain comes right through eventually, so I carry an ultralight dry bag and
> put everything that needs to stay dry into it, and that seems to work fine.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
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[RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

[John Phillips]

Has anyone tried these yet? My pair of Soma Vitesse extra wear tread just 
arrived at my office.

John 

On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 7:26:25 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> https://instagram.com/p/8mMR3jotbY/
>
> Check out these new tires that just dropped from Soma! This is what I've 
> been waiting for on my Atlantis, something like the 650x42 Compass tire but 
> in 700. They've also got a 38mm version
>
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[RBW] Re: 1985 trek 870 rivified and rebuilt

[David Banzer]

Here's a better photo as it was built up with Soma Oxford bars.
http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz136/dabanzer/Mobile%20Uploads/7DCA4A05-0E97-4CD2-8B99-F40ED8FC07AA_zpspyoh7djr.jpg
David
Chicago

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 11:36:50 AM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Definitely right about Trek "dipping their toes in the mtb water" - I have 
> a Trek 850 from 1983 - their first mtb model. It rides like a stout touring 
> frame. I was going to get rid of it as I thought my Clem would overlap, but 
> have come to my senses and will keep it built up as a 1x7 with mustache 
> bars and possibly RTP tires.
> Here's a photo as I first built it up to try drop bars and single speed.
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 11:01:19 AM UTC-6, drew wrote:
>>
>> cool, i had an 85 db apex that i built up for my dad as a city bike. i 
>> thought it was an awesome frame, so i didnt want it to leave the family. i 
>> dont have a scale of any sort, so i didnt weigh the trek or db frame.  the 
>> "feel" of the db with infinity, is a little heavier/sturdier, while the 
>> trek with prestige feels more road bikey.  that could have no relationship 
>> to the tubing though, and just be the fact that diamondback was making only 
>> mtb/bmx bikes, and trek was just dipping their toes in the mtb water. i 
>> dont know.  does yours have the extra spoke chain guard? i love that detail
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

[Mitch Browne]

I have tried both Compass EL and Soma EX 700c tires in recent weeks
and find the Compass feels much more plush. I believe the difference
between casings between the two have been discussed in recent threads.
I do find the Soma sidewalls to be a little more stiff.

I have a set of Soma SL tires (insanity thrives) coming in a day or
two for fair SL to EL comparison.

If Compass made 700c x 42 I'd go for those without a doubt. Each rider
knows their limits in terms of wear, use, budget so EL's won't work
for everyone. I am at my limit ;)

Compass tires have no minimum air pressure or direction on sidewall.
Soma says minimum of 40 psi. In my opinion they can go a few pounds
lower but due to stiffer tread (by design for wear) they start to feel
squirrely at 35 in the rear.

Mitch Browne
San Luis Obispo, CA

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 10:19 AM, John Phillips  wrote:
> Has anyone tried these yet? My pair of Soma Vitesse extra wear tread just
> arrived at my office.
>
> John
>
> On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 7:26:25 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> https://instagram.com/p/8mMR3jotbY/
>>
>> Check out these new tires that just dropped from Soma! This is what I've
>> been waiting for on my Atlantis, something like the 650x42 Compass tire but
>> in 700. They've also got a 38mm version
>>
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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

[hsmitham]

Nice and enjoyable. A craftsman indeed. 

$5000 and not taking on any new commissions, but back in the shop.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 9:50:04 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Came across this, it's pretty good. Page down to go through it: 
> https://slate.adobe.com/cp/ts5O3/
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[RBW] Re: FS: Velo Orange Stainless Porteur Rack $125 shipped

[Wayne Naha]

PM sent!

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 10:55:26 AM UTC-5, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> Oops. It's the Soma one, not the VO one.
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 7:54:11 AM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>
>> Installed once and used twice. Didn't fit on my frame due to many other 
>> considerations. Paid $200 at retail a week ago.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Force Field Fatty Rumpkins

[Bill Lindsay]

Mine was orange, and was a drop bar touring/camping build:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqgpPRaV6qo

Sadly you have to wait until 3:47 for the full side view.  

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 11:15:48 AM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> The black city bike bomba? I loved that build!
>
> I just picked up a pair (these were the folders) from the list and I am 
> really happy with them. You can run them at cushy pressures but they still 
> feel trustworthy as you ride over anything. The tread pattern is great too.
>
> - Ryan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 8:46:29 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Up for sale is a pair of used Force Field Fatty Rumpkin tires.  650B x 
>> 41.  I was holding onto these for a 52 Clem next summer, but now I'm 
>> thinking 55 Joe Appaloosa.  They are wire bead, so I strongly prefer to 
>> sell local in the bay area.  These were on my Bombadil, which got moved to 
>> fund a contemporary mountain bike.  I'm thinking 200-300 miles on them.
>>
>> $60 free pickup
>> $72 shipped anywhere else
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/22093058624
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Force Field Fatty Rumpkins

[Ryan Ray]

The black city bike bomba? I loved that build!

I just picked up a pair (these were the folders) from the list and I am 
really happy with them. You can run them at cushy pressures but they still 
feel trustworthy as you ride over anything. The tread pattern is great too.

- Ryan





On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 8:46:29 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Up for sale is a pair of used Force Field Fatty Rumpkin tires.  650B x 
> 41.  I was holding onto these for a 52 Clem next summer, but now I'm 
> thinking 55 Joe Appaloosa.  They are wire bead, so I strongly prefer to 
> sell local in the bay area.  These were on my Bombadil, which got moved to 
> fund a contemporary mountain bike.  I'm thinking 200-300 miles on them.
>
> $60 free pickup
> $72 shipped anywhere else
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/22093058624
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito CA
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[RBW] Re: 1985 trek 870 rivified and rebuilt

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

You guys with your vintage Trek MTB's are killing me!!!Keep em coming!! 
  



On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 8:21:47 PM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
>
> i posted about a 30$ trek 870 frame/fork i found earlier this year HERE 
> .
>  
>  
>
> 
> boredom, and the fact that ive never been able to abide a true beater, 
> turned it into a project that was helped out by several people in the group 
> who supplied parts, so i figured i'd share how it turned out. 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
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[RBW] FS: Small Bags

[David Banzer]

Need racks for Clem (arriving tomorrow!), selling some ready-made bags at a 
discount.
You can pay through my webstore - treetop.bigcartel.com - free shipping on 
everything.

Buy 2 bags, $5 off, 3 bags $10 off - will be sent as a refund after order 
is complete.

Deluxe Saddle Wedge - based on Acorn's long discontinued tubular bag - 
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/deluxe-saddle-wedge-ready-made
Black canvas with tan leather - $45 (this one uses Martexin #8 waxed canvas)
Black canvas with brown leather - $45 (this one uses Martexin #8 waxed 
canvas)
Orange canvas with tan leather - $40 - no one likes orange apparently! - a 
nice match to Newbaum's burnt orange tape

Rolltop Saddle Wedge - based on Acorn's long discontinued tubular bag - 
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/medium-saddle-wedge-ready-made
Tan canvas with tan leather - $40

Mini Rando Bag - 
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/mini-rando-bag-black-ready-made
Black WR Martexin canvas, tan leather, black leather trim - $60

Boxy Bar/Saddle Bag - same size as mini rando, turned out very similar to 
Riv's XS saddlesack - 
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/boxy-bar-saddle-bag-ready-made
Black WR Martexin canvas, tan leather - $50
Tan cordura fabric, brown leather - $30, prototype with new fabric, no 
straps included

Front Bar Bag - 
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/front-bar-bag-w-pockets-ready-made
Tan canvas, tan leather - $65 - this one is slightly used, has 2 
rando-bag-style side pockets

Thanks.
David
Chicago




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RE: [RBW] Re: My Rivendell Rodeo build

[David F. Beach]

That is a really cool looking setup!

Now I’m envious, gotta do some S24 rides…


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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Smitham
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To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: My Rivendell Rodeo build

I installed the Nitto Hub Area Racks and the Sackville Hub Area Bags just for 
the heck of it. I used P-clamps on the mid fork and it works perfect. Rides 
amazing with a small load. I could easily take this bike overnight camping. I 
think it really shows how versatile Rivendell's are- even the Rodeo.

Cheers, Bruce

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 8:36:42 AM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
Hi Max,

Thanks so much for the positive feedback. I like your color Rodeo better. 
That's my favorite and have seen it on a few of the Hunq's- stunning. I'll be 
honest, the only reason I went to Albatross handlebars is because the 59cm 
frame is just a little too big for me.I wouldn't go through this if it was my 
perfect size bike. I think a 57cm would be the best fit for me and I might get 
one some day. After trying out so many different quill stems/drop handlebar 
reach combinations the bike still looked strange and handled a bit funny with 
the short 50mm stem. I really like Nitto Albatross on my Sam Hillborne and I 
had a set of heat-treated aluminum laying around so I thought I would give it a 
try. Campy only makes 2 shifters for flat bars- bar ends or time trial shifters 
or the ones I opted for which are 10 speed Veloce with integrated brake levers. 
BTW, the braking with these is far, far superior to the road brifters no 
question. The front shifter does not trim- it's more like exact Shimano click. 
But it shifts perfect and better than the road Chorus version. You can run 
triple or double. Mine is set for double. I have a White Industries VBC 
crankset 44 outer/28 inner so it's wide/low compact. I set up the brake cables 
but took it to my LBS to have the shifter cables installed. I purchased the 
Campy 10 speed Veloce flat bar shifter/brake lever combination from Ribble in 
the UK. They were $131 with shipping and no tax and included both sets of 
cables and housing. Not a bad deal and too about 1 week to arrive here in San 
Diego. I hope I was able to answer your questions. Again, I wouldn't go this 
route if the bike fit me properly. I sometimes miss getting in the drops in a 
road bar when I want to spring up hills or decent a hill. I sometimes pack this 
bike in the back of my Honda Accord to take on a business trip. With road bars 
it fit perfect but with Albatross I have to take the quill stem off and on 
which is somewhat of a pain- the Alba's are just too wide to fit in the trunk 
when on the bike.

Cheers,

Bruce

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Bruce Smitham 
> wrote:

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 9:20 AM, reynoldslugs 
> wrote:
Hi Bruce, I have a question about those Campagnolo flat bar shifters - - 
specifically, can you share your thoughts on how they work with the front 
derailleur shifts?.  Can you trim the front derailleur?

Or is the front shift a "big click," like the Shimanos?

I love the build you did, and would like to try flat bars + Campagnolo flat bar 
shifters on a couple bikes (including a  Roadeo), but I'm not sure how the 
front derailleur would work with my triples and wide range doubles.

That's a great color for your Roadeo, and a nice build.  Mine's a 2010, and 
also has a Campagnolo drive train, hence my interest in your flat bar shifters. 
 Pix here:

Re: [RBW] FS: Small Bags

[Curtis McKenzie]

David,

Are you still selling leather washes?

Curtis

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:10 PM, David Banzer  wrote:

> Need racks for Clem (arriving tomorrow!), selling some ready-made bags at
> a discount.
> You can pay through my webstore - treetop.bigcartel.com - free shipping
> on everything.
>
> Buy 2 bags, $5 off, 3 bags $10 off - will be sent as a refund after order
> is complete.
>
> Deluxe Saddle Wedge - based on Acorn's long discontinued tubular bag -
> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/deluxe-saddle-wedge-ready-made
> Black canvas with tan leather - $45 (this one uses Martexin #8 waxed
> canvas)
> Black canvas with brown leather - $45 (this one uses Martexin #8 waxed
> canvas)
> Orange canvas with tan leather - $40 - no one likes orange apparently! - a
> nice match to Newbaum's burnt orange tape
>
> Rolltop Saddle Wedge - based on Acorn's long discontinued tubular bag -
> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/medium-saddle-wedge-ready-made
> Tan canvas with tan leather - $40
>
> Mini Rando Bag -
> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/mini-rando-bag-black-ready-made
> Black WR Martexin canvas, tan leather, black leather trim - $60
>
> Boxy Bar/Saddle Bag - same size as mini rando, turned out very similar to
> Riv's XS saddlesack -
> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/boxy-bar-saddle-bag-ready-made
> Black WR Martexin canvas, tan leather - $50
> Tan cordura fabric, brown leather - $30, prototype with new fabric, no
> straps included
>
> Front Bar Bag -
> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/front-bar-bag-w-pockets-ready-made
> Tan canvas, tan leather - $65 - this one is slightly used, has 2
> rando-bag-style side pockets
>
> Thanks.
> David
> Chicago
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Small Bags

[David Banzer]

Yes - http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/leather-washers-special-50-pack

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 2:41:21 PM UTC-6, Curtis wrote:
>
> David,
>
> Are you still selling leather washes?
>
> Curtis
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:10 PM, David Banzer  > wrote:
>
>> Need racks for Clem (arriving tomorrow!), selling some ready-made bags at 
>> a discount.
>> You can pay through my webstore - treetop.bigcartel.com - free shipping 
>> on everything.
>>
>> Buy 2 bags, $5 off, 3 bags $10 off - will be sent as a refund after order 
>> is complete.
>>
>> Deluxe Saddle Wedge - based on Acorn's long discontinued tubular bag - 
>> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/deluxe-saddle-wedge-ready-made
>> Black canvas with tan leather - $45 (this one uses Martexin #8 waxed 
>> canvas)
>> Black canvas with brown leather - $45 (this one uses Martexin #8 waxed 
>> canvas)
>> Orange canvas with tan leather - $40 - no one likes orange apparently! - 
>> a nice match to Newbaum's burnt orange tape
>>
>> Rolltop Saddle Wedge - based on Acorn's long discontinued tubular bag - 
>> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/medium-saddle-wedge-ready-made
>> Tan canvas with tan leather - $40
>>
>> Mini Rando Bag - 
>> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/mini-rando-bag-black-ready-made
>> Black WR Martexin canvas, tan leather, black leather trim - $60
>>
>> Boxy Bar/Saddle Bag - same size as mini rando, turned out very similar to 
>> Riv's XS saddlesack - 
>> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/boxy-bar-saddle-bag-ready-made
>> Black WR Martexin canvas, tan leather - $50
>> Tan cordura fabric, brown leather - $30, prototype with new fabric, no 
>> straps included
>>
>> Front Bar Bag - 
>> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/front-bar-bag-w-pockets-ready-made
>> Tan canvas, tan leather - $65 - this one is slightly used, has 2 
>> rando-bag-style side pockets
>>
>> Thanks.
>> David
>> Chicago
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Richard Sachs

[cyclotourist]

Came across this, it's pretty good. Page down to go through it:
https://slate.adobe.com/cp/ts5O3/

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[RBW] Re: Practical water-resistance of Shopsacks?

[Philip Kim]

The Grey Shopsack I was selling--- I carried my phone in the inner 
compartment.

Rode through a heavy downpour an hr into work, and heavy downpour hour 
back. It was completely dry inside.


On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 10:18:57 AM UTC-5, Justin August wrote:
>
> Hey folks-
> Rainy season in the Bay Area is here! Just in time for my wedding on 
> Saturday...
>
> But more importantly - I carry a tote everyday whether in bike or on bus 
> during my commute. I have a nice new Marmot PreCip jacket and would like to 
> give my stuff a similarly nice home. I was looking at the ShopSacks but I 
> don't know how resistant/proof they are to water. 
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> -J
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 1985 trek 870 rivified and rebuilt

[drew]

cool, i had an 85 db apex that i built up for my dad as a city bike. i 
thought it was an awesome frame, so i didnt want it to leave the family. i 
dont have a scale of any sort, so i didnt weigh the trek or db frame.  the 
"feel" of the db with infinity, is a little heavier/sturdier, while the 
trek with prestige feels more road bikey.  that could have no relationship 
to the tubing though, and just be the fact that diamondback was making only 
mtb/bmx bikes, and trek was just dipping their toes in the mtb water. i 
dont know.  does yours have the extra spoke chain guard? i love that detail





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Re: [RBW] Rohloff IGH Questions

[Matthew J]

Peter White now sells Cinq shifters for Rohloff 
 made by Tout (a couple 
frames from the top).  Not sure if you can get without a Tout, but worth a 
try maybe.

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[RBW] FS: Force Field Fatty Rumpkins

[Bill Lindsay]

Up for sale is a pair of used Force Field Fatty Rumpkin tires.  650B x 41.  
I was holding onto these for a 52 Clem next summer, but now I'm thinking 55 
Joe Appaloosa.  They are wire bead, so I strongly prefer to sell local in 
the bay area.  These were on my Bombadil, which got moved to fund a 
contemporary mountain bike.  I'm thinking 200-300 miles on them.

$60 free pickup
$72 shipped anywhere else

https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/22093058624

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito CA

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[RBW] Re: WATERTON CANYON REOPENED

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

I think it may get down to 45F the next couple nights after this front 
comes through. I've noticed that the actual temps this entire summer and 
fall and about 5-10F higher than the forecast. 

Oh well, it was a nice planet... on to the next one.

On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 8:03:17 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Jon, 
>
> Great images. I love the big horn sheep! And those roads look fantastic. 
> Alas were still in the mid 80's here in Los Angeles but we have some 
> scattered rain in our near future. Wow I just can't imagine riding in 45F! 
> That's so far off from our temp range. Thanks for sharing and don't feed 
> those bears :) 
>
> Tail Winds, 
>
> ~Hugh 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:46:55 PM UTC-7, Jon Dukeman in the 
> foothills of Colorado wrote: 
> > Waterton Canyon had been closed for a couple of months due to bear 
> activity..well not because of the bears but because the idots hiking up 
> there were taking selfies with the bears and getting a bit too close and 
> the bears were getting aggressive chasing a cyclist out -a- there. 
> > My friend Terry on his Bridgestone MB-6 and I on my Sam Hillborne 
> ventured out the first day it reopened to the public, in the rain, and 45' 
> temps to check it out. A bit too late to see the fall colors but we weren't 
> disappointed. 
> > We ran into a couple of Cheviots 
> > 
> > 
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/126595234@N07/albums/72157660560309461 
>
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Re: [RBW] Rohloff IGH Questions

[iamkeith]

That's what finally prompted me to get one, Tim.  As I said, I'm a true 
believer and have been since the first speedhub was released, but could 
never convince myself to get one until they came out with the XL   Unlike 
most people, the thing that always kept me away was the grip shifter.  I 
still hate it, and in fact a snow bike-  which is used with thick gloves 
and/or sweaty wet hands - is the worst possible place for a grip shift.   
But, for this use, the other benefits finally outweighed that argument. 
 I'm using a Whipperman chain too, but have had good luck so far.  Maybe 
being a fixed length and not shifting helps with wear.  






That being said, the shifter isn't "so" bad for summer use on a flat bar. 
 You learn to live with it.   All the other normal Rohloff gripes don't 
bother me at all.   Yes, it distributes weight more to the rear than ideal, 
but you hardly notice when you're actually moving.   I can even still bunny 
hop well enough.  Yes, you do have to let up on the pedal stroke between 
some shifts but, in that sense it's sort of like with a... wait for it... 
derailleur.  Except that it's actually superior because  you can pause in 
the middle of a steep climb - even to the point of nearly doing a track 
stand, shift down multiple gears at once, and then simply start pedaling 
again but in a lower gear.. All of which takes microseconds.  A derailleur 
actually requires some amount of pedal stroke before the shift actually 
takes place.  And that's the best thing about it to me, and something I've 
never heard anyone else articulate:

You know how, when trigger shifters were first introduced, *everybody* 
would argue how much better they were than thumb shifters by saying "I 
shift so much more often now"?  As if there's some universal acceptance 
that this is somehow better?Well, I actually find myself shifting a lot 
LESS with the Rohloff, because I know I can always shift whenever I want, 
if I get in trouble.   I don't have to anticipate a climb and downshift 
before hand, and I can always "'try" to clean something in a higher gear.   
If I bog down, ANY lower gear is always right there, without needing a 
partial pedal stroke to gain it.  So much more relaxing, and so much more 
fun.  

That's why I keep daydreaming about modifying my Quickbeam.  Incidentally, 
this is the OEM 1 plate.   See that long tab that engages the 
extended-length dropout, vertically below the axle?  I still don't know why 
that couldn't be rotated horizontal and used to work with the extremely 
long dropout slot on the QB / SO.  It could even go forward of or behind 
the axle, based on chainstay length preference.  Unlike the torque arm 
method, this would allow you to route cables under the bottom bracket and 
along the chainstay, too.


On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 7:15:14 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Personally, I'm tempted by a Rohloff for winter use.  I've had lots or 
> trouble with derailleur drivetrains with ice and snow.  
>
> My dream build:
> Titanium frame
> 4-5" fat tires
> Rohloff hub
> Enclosed chain case, or Gates belt drive
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Re: [RBW] Rohloff IGH Questions

[Tim Gavin]

Nice build, Keith.

My fat bike doesn't wear out chains, it destroys them.  Mainly it's chain
suck, but it also broke a chain when I bent the 

[RBW] Re: Practical water-resistance of Shopsacks?

[Julian]

I have used a large Shopsack for daly commuting for years -- a green one 
mostly, and for the past few months a new grey one. They are pretty 
water-resistant, but are not waterproof. The sippers are not waterproof, 
and will leak, and if you're out long enough the bag will get damp inside. 
If rain is predicted I carry a super light waterproof plastic bag for my 
computer, wallet, and anything else that cannot get wet.




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>
> Hey folks-
> Rainy season in the Bay Area is here! Just in time for my wedding on 
> Saturday...
>
> But more importantly - I carry a tote everyday whether in bike or on bus 
> during my commute. I have a nice new Marmot PreCip jacket and would like to 
> give my stuff a similarly nice home. I was looking at the ShopSacks but I 
> don't know how resistant/proof they are to water. 
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> -J
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Coffeeneuring ride.

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

Hugh,
Thanks for sharing.
Always fun meeting up with friends from the past to catch up on things. 
Sounds like all had a good time.
I'm sure you told them about your S240s and Rivendell bikes.Time to set the 
hook!!
Oh! I'll take those 88' temps please!
Jon

On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 2:13:31 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:

> Hot off the presses.
>
> Here 
> 
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
>

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[RBW] Re: 1985 trek 870 rivified and rebuilt

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That was my first thought too but he already seemed to have plans for it 
plus I just bought a bike so I'm out of the market for the time being. 
 I'll continue to watch E-Bay and Craigslist and hope for something too 
good to pass up.  



On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 2:54:33 PM UTC-6, drew wrote:
>
> Chris, 
> it might be time to try to convince David that there is, in fact, too much 
> crossover with the clem. looks like it might be a 60cm too. 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Velo Orange Stainless Porteur Rack $125 shipped

[Ryan Ray]

Sold. Thanks.

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 7:54:11 AM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> Installed once and used twice. Didn't fit on my frame due to many other 
> considerations. Paid $200 at retail a week ago.
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[RBW] Re: WATERTON CANYON REOPENED

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

Thanks Hugh. 
Colorado has extreme temp swings.Friday 45 Saturday 65.Today 70 Thursday 
forecast snow..
Daytime temps in the winter here are often around 40' or higher. With the 
intense sun at altitude,no wind and 35' it can be quite pleasant.
People here just layer up and ride..it's better than the alternative 
(smiling)
Jon


On Sunday, November 1, 2015 at 9:03:17 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

> Jon, 
>
> Great images. I love the big horn sheep! And those roads look fantastic. 
> Alas were still in the mid 80's here in Los Angeles but we have some 
> scattered rain in our near future. Wow I just can't imagine riding in 45F! 
> That's so far off from our temp range. Thanks for sharing and don't feed 
> those bears :) 
>
> Tail Winds, 
>
> ~Hugh 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 12:46:55 PM UTC-7, Jon Dukeman in the 
> foothills of Colorado wrote: 
> > Waterton Canyon had been closed for a couple of months due to bear 
> activity..well not because of the bears but because the idots hiking up 
> there were taking selfies with the bears and getting a bit too close and 
> the bears were getting aggressive chasing a cyclist out -a- there. 
> > My friend Terry on his Bridgestone MB-6 and I on my Sam Hillborne 
> ventured out the first day it reopened to the public, in the rain, and 45' 
> temps to check it out. A bit too late to see the fall colors but we weren't 
> disappointed. 
> > We ran into a couple of Cheviots 
> > 
> > 
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/126595234@N07/albums/72157660560309461 
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Sackville Small Trunksack-Olive, VO Ranonneur Front Rack

[Marc Irwin]

Several years use on them together.  The Trunksack has cosmetic wear only, 
plenty of use behind and ahead of it, no tears, rips, or leaks and the 
zipper is fine (free beausage!)  The rack is like new really.  I trimmed 
the tang to fit my Hillborne, that's it.


  
The VO rack 

 
is $60 plus shipping to lower 48.
The Trunksack is $60 plus shipping to lower 48.
Together $110 including USPS priority to lower 48. Firm.

I don't do PayPal, but Google Wallet is easy painless and free.  If you 
must, a USPS MO by snail mail will work.

Marc


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[RBW] Re: FS: Small Bags

[David Banzer]

Does pertain to bags that are for sale now, but I will not be taking 
custom/made-to-order bags during December. I'll be catching up on my queue 
and then spending time with family.
David
Chicago

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 2:10:55 PM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Need racks for Clem (arriving tomorrow!), selling some ready-made bags at 
> a discount.
> You can pay through my webstore - treetop.bigcartel.com - free shipping 
> on everything.
>
> Buy 2 bags, $5 off, 3 bags $10 off - will be sent as a refund after order 
> is complete.
>
> Deluxe Saddle Wedge - based on Acorn's long discontinued tubular bag - 
> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/deluxe-saddle-wedge-ready-made
> Black canvas with tan leather - $45 (this one uses Martexin #8 waxed 
> canvas)
> Black canvas with brown leather - $45 (this one uses Martexin #8 waxed 
> canvas)
> Orange canvas with tan leather - $40 - no one likes orange apparently! - a 
> nice match to Newbaum's burnt orange tape
>
> Rolltop Saddle Wedge - based on Acorn's long discontinued tubular bag - 
> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/medium-saddle-wedge-ready-made
> Tan canvas with tan leather - $40
>
> Mini Rando Bag - 
> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/mini-rando-bag-black-ready-made
> Black WR Martexin canvas, tan leather, black leather trim - $60
>
> Boxy Bar/Saddle Bag - same size as mini rando, turned out very similar to 
> Riv's XS saddlesack - 
> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/boxy-bar-saddle-bag-ready-made
> Black WR Martexin canvas, tan leather - $50
> Tan cordura fabric, brown leather - $30, prototype with new fabric, no 
> straps included
>
> Front Bar Bag - 
> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/front-bar-bag-w-pockets-ready-made
> Tan canvas, tan leather - $65 - this one is slightly used, has 2 
> rando-bag-style side pockets
>
> Thanks.
> David
> Chicago
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 1985 trek 870 rivified and rebuilt

[David Banzer]

Mine's a 62cm c-t seattube. I've already resolved the crossover though - 
Trek will be getting mustache bars, no racks - purely gravel road rides. 
Clem will be townie bike and eventual kid-hauler.
David
Chicago

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 2:54:33 PM UTC-6, drew wrote:
>
> Chris, 
> it might be time to try to convince David that there is, in fact, too much 
> crossover with the clem. looks like it might be a 60cm too. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

[Amit Singh]

The last time Soma offered it's 700x38mm C-Line, Compass was not far behind to 
offer it's own 700x38mm.

I hope the same thing will happen this time. ... and if not, it's worth asking 
again. 

Jan, could you please make a Compass 700x42mm tire for us to purchase? :)

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[RBW] Re: Practical water-resistance of Shopsacks?

[Marc Irwin]

I've been using them for years.  They have been water proof in all kinds of 
Michigan storms.  I suppose something will seep through the zipper but I 
haven't noticed it and use them around town several times a week all year. 
 Camping, the medium works as a spare bag, for shopping and protecting odds 
and ends.  I even use it to carry water some times.

Marc


On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 10:18:57 AM UTC-5, Justin August wrote:
>
> Hey folks-
> Rainy season in the Bay Area is here! Just in time for my wedding on 
> Saturday...
>
> But more importantly - I carry a tote everyday whether in bike or on bus 
> during my commute. I have a nice new Marmot PreCip jacket and would like to 
> give my stuff a similarly nice home. I was looking at the ShopSacks but I 
> don't know how resistant/proof they are to water. 
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> -J
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 1985 trek 870 rivified and rebuilt

[drew]

Chris, 
it might be time to try to convince David that there is, in fact, too much 
crossover with the clem. looks like it might be a 60cm too. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm surprised Compass even went to 38, never mind 42. Jan's theory has been 
that whatever the wheel size, there is an optimum sweet spot for plushness, 
speed, handling, and it so happens that when you measure wheel plus tire, 
the total circumference is almost equal. I think it is something like 700C 
= 32mm, 650B = 42mm, 26" = 52mm. When you start going beyond a 700 x 35, I 
think the handling starts to get a bit weird. Plus your bike starts to get 
pretty jacked, unless it was designed for monster tires to begin with. I 
rode a bike with 700 x 41C Nimbus tires for a few years in the early 90s. I 
wasn't such a tire snob back then, and I've since heard the Nimbus series 
were considered dogs(no doubt stiff sidewalls, they were probably also 
belted), but it was about the only thing going in a wide road tire back 
then. I found it just fine for city riding, but a bit sluggish in the 
turns. The bike was built with those tires in mind, but there was barely 
any clearance, never mind fenders.

I realize he sells tires, and so the BQ Jan must accommodate the Compass 
Jan, and Compass is already beyond his stated optimums in both 700C and 
650B with the latest tire offerings (and I may go for a pair of Switchbacks 
at some point.) But anyway, at some point, how much is enough already? He 
has even said the Rat Traps are occasionally a bit overly bouncy on the 
road. 

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 4:35:32 PM UTC-5, Amit Singh wrote:
>
> The last time Soma offered it's 700x38mm C-Line, Compass was not far 
> behind to offer it's own 700x38mm.
>
> I hope the same thing will happen this time. ... and if not, it's worth 
> asking again. 
>
> Jan, could you please make a Compass 700x42mm tire for us to purchase? :)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Rodeo build

[reynoldslugs]

I apologize to all for my last responsive post, which had a lot of 
junk/forwarding/crap attached to my e-signature.  I had meant to reply 
solely to OP (Bruce), but screwed up and replied to list. 

sorry!

Max B

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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[Deacon Patrick]

New bike day times two Clementines! Comments: "I feel like I'm on a smooth 
horse and can leap into the clouds!" "I don't even feel or hear the 
shifting it's so smooth -- I just feel the difference in the pedals." 
"Smoother and lighter!" "It just goes where I want it to!"

We'd sized up for them so they can grow into them and have these as their 
lifetime bike if they wish (they are 12 and 14). They definitely fit just 
fine with lots of room to grow into!

Colors: the black is beautiful and the turquoise stunning.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/22712606132/in/dateposted-public/

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: New fat 700 tires! 700x42 ultra light

[Steve Palincsar]

There was a lot of pleading and whining on the mailing lists asking for 
wide 700Cs.  I think that pleading finally won Jan over.


On 11/02/2015 06:18 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
I'm surprised Compass even went to 38, never mind 42. Jan's theory has 
been that whatever the wheel size, there is an optimum sweet spot for 
plushness, speed, handling, and it so happens that when you measure 
wheel plus tire, the total circumference is almost equal. I think it 
is something like 700C = 32mm, 650B = 42mm, 26" = 52mm. When you start 
going beyond a 700 x 35, I think the handling starts to get a bit 
weird. Plus your bike starts to get pretty jacked, unless it was 
designed for monster tires to begin with. I rode a bike with 700 x 41C 
Nimbus tires for a few years in the early 90s. I wasn't such a tire 
snob back then, and I've since heard the Nimbus series were considered 
dogs(no doubt stiff sidewalls, they were probably also belted), but it 
was about the only thing going in a wide road tire back then. I found 
it just fine for city riding, but a bit sluggish in the turns. The 
bike was built with those tires in mind, but there was barely any 
clearance, never mind fenders.


I realize he sells tires, and so the BQ Jan must accommodate the 
Compass Jan, and Compass is already beyond his stated optimums in both 
700C and 650B with the latest tire offerings (and I may go for a pair 
of Switchbacks at some point.) But anyway, at some point, how much is 
enough already? He has even said the Rat Traps are occasionally a bit 
overly bouncy on the road.


On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 4:35:32 PM UTC-5, Amit Singh wrote:

The last time Soma offered it's 700x38mm C-Line, Compass was not
far behind to offer it's own 700x38mm.

I hope the same thing will happen this time. ... and if not, it's
worth asking again.

Jan, could you please make a Compass 700x42mm tire for us to
purchase? :)




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Re: [RBW] FS: Jones loop bar with threadless adapter and some tool wraps

[dstein]

Handlebars, threadless adapter, stem, and VO tool bag have sold.

Still available:

Nitto Tallux 26.0 90mm (I think, I need to triple check this) - $53 shipped
Mark’s Tool Wrap, Tan (I incorrectly put Olive originally) - $25 shipped

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Small Trunksack-Olive, VO Ranonneur Front Rack

[Marc Irwin]

Sales, pending on both.


On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 5:01:03 PM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> Several years use on them together.  The Trunksack has cosmetic wear only, 
> plenty of use behind and ahead of it, no tears, rips, or leaks and the 
> zipper is fine (free beausage!)  The rack is like new really.  I trimmed 
> the tang to fit my Hillborne, that's it.
>
>
> 
>   
> The VO rack 
> 
>  
> is $60 plus shipping to lower 48.
> The Trunksack is $60 plus shipping to lower 48.
> Together $110 including USPS priority to lower 48. Firm.
>
> I don't do PayPal, but Google Wallet is easy painless and free.  If you 
> must, a USPS MO by snail mail will work.
>
> Marc
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[LeahFoy]

How SWEET this is! Do we get to see more pictures of the lassies and their new 
bikes? Lovely!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Force Field Fatty Rumpkins

[Bill Lindsay]

I just attempted to send you a PM as well.  Let's see if that delivers

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 5:38:43 PM UTC-8, KC wrote:
>
>
> I think I sent you a private message.  If you didn't get it, can you 
> please reply to me off list so I can.  Apparently I'm a little challenged 
> today.
>
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 8:46:29 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Up for sale is a pair of used Force Field Fatty Rumpkin tires.  650B x 
>> 41.  I was holding onto these for a 52 Clem next summer, but now I'm 
>> thinking 55 Joe Appaloosa.  They are wire bead, so I strongly prefer to 
>> sell local in the bay area.  These were on my Bombadil, which got moved to 
>> fund a contemporary mountain bike.  I'm thinking 200-300 miles on them.
>>
>> $60 free pickup
>> $72 shipped anywhere else
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/22093058624
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Force Field Fatty Rumpkins

[KC]

I think I sent you a private message.  If you didn't get it, can you please 
reply to me off list so I can.  Apparently I'm a little challenged today.


On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 8:46:29 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Up for sale is a pair of used Force Field Fatty Rumpkin tires.  650B x 
> 41.  I was holding onto these for a 52 Clem next summer, but now I'm 
> thinking 55 Joe Appaloosa.  They are wire bead, so I strongly prefer to 
> sell local in the bay area.  These were on my Bombadil, which got moved to 
> fund a contemporary mountain bike.  I'm thinking 200-300 miles on them.
>
> $60 free pickup
> $72 shipped anywhere else
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/22093058624
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[dougP]

Deacon:

You are taking really good care of your children.  Those are truly bikes 
they can grow into for life.  I'll bet in 30 years they're going to say 
"Yea, my dad got that for me when I was a kid, & it's always been just such 
a good bike."  

My wife rides an Atlantis.  When we were at Rivendell in the spring, she 
mosied off on a Clementine, & came back with the comment "Hey, this is 
kinda cool." No, we didn't take it home but still, a pretty good 
endorsement.  

dougP

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 7:04:03 PM UTC-8, KC wrote:
>
> 2 lucky lassies.  You can sense their joy in the pictures.  And I applaud 
> you for keeping their faces off the internet. 
>
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 6:59:06 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Leah. Likely not many photos of the lassies, as we keep their 
>> faces off the internet. Possibly more of the bikes though.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 6:36:55 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>>>
>>> How SWEET this is! Do we get to see more pictures of the lassies and 
>>> their new bikes? Lovely!
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Rohloff IGH Questions

[Matthew J]

Ouch, over $300 just for the shifters.

Imagine that is why Rohloff sticks with the grip shifters.  Probably quite 
complicated piece of kit.

Five years ago (former Riv customs builder) Curt Goodrich came up with a 
Rohloff shifter that could be brazed on a down tube.  He called it Das Knob. 
  Never heard anything further 
about it.  Not sure if that means I and presumably whoever bought the bike 
were the only people who thought it a cool idea or it did not work well.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Force Field Fatty Rumpkins

[Kathy]

Of course this worked.  It's just me...  Long day & once I get 
messed up in a posting, it never seems to go right.  I really wanted to 
post off-list and was worried it wasn't off-list.
I just responded to your first message but wanted to confirm to you that 
I got this.  Again, just me.


On 11/2/2015 5:51 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

I just attempted to send you a PM as well.  Let's see if that delivers

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 5:38:43 PM UTC-8, KC wrote:


I think I sent you a private message.  If you didn't get it, can
you please reply to me off list so I can. Apparently I'm a little
challenged today.


On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 8:46:29 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

Up for sale is a pair of used Force Field Fatty Rumpkin
tires.  650B x 41.  I was holding onto these for a 52 Clem
next summer, but now I'm thinking 55 Joe Appaloosa.  They are
wire bead, so I strongly prefer to sell local in the bay
area.  These were on my Bombadil, which got moved to fund a
contemporary mountain bike.  I'm thinking 200-300 miles on them.

$60 free pickup
$72 shipped anywhere else

https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/22093058624


Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito CA

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Re: [RBW] Rohloff IGH Questions

[David Person]

Ouch, over $300 just for the shifters.

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 9:18:59 AM UTC-8, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Peter White now sells Cinq shifters for Rohloff 
>  made by Tout (a couple 
> frames from the top).  Not sure if you can get without a Tout, but worth a 
> try maybe.
>

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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[Deacon Patrick]

Thank you, Leah. Likely not many photos of the lassies, as we keep their 
faces off the internet. Possibly more of the bikes though.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 6:36:55 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> How SWEET this is! Do we get to see more pictures of the lassies and their 
> new bikes? Lovely!

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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[KC]

2 lucky lassies.  You can sense their joy in the pictures.  And I applaud 
you for keeping their faces off the internet. 


On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 6:59:06 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> Thank you, Leah. Likely not many photos of the lassies, as we keep their 
> faces off the internet. Possibly more of the bikes though.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 6:36:55 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> How SWEET this is! Do we get to see more pictures of the lassies and 
>> their new bikes? Lovely!
>
>

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