date:20151104

I've had bikes with very little standover before and I've never had a 
problem as long as I can come to a controlled stop.  This frame is just a 
little too far across the borderline of being a little too tall with 38mm 
tires and my keen sandals.  I might could make it work if I downsized 
tires, but being overweight I prefer wider tires with more cush.

My body doesn't exactly have normal porportions for a male.  Plus, I'm 
overweight and on the stiff side to boot.  So, I like the stack height and 
tt length of the bigger frames, but the standover of the smaller size.  

I wanted to give the Sam a try because I "fell in love" the first time I 
saw a pic of the Sam.   I purchased the frame in this size with no outside 
advice other than I thought that it gave me the best chance of a good fit.  
So, the heart said Sam when the head probabaly said Clem/Clementine or 
Cheviot.  

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 1:43:03 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> What is your PBH?  Is it lower than their recommended minimum of 83cm?  Is 
> the standover problem that you can't standover it at all?  Or is it that 
> you have less clearance than you are used to?  These 6 degree sloping bikes 
> may just have less clearance than you are used to.  Maybe you should give 
> more of a build a shot?  It's up to you o
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 10:26:09 AM UTC-8, RDS wrote:
>>
>> The next size down really wouldn't work either.  It's like I need the 
>> length of the bigger size, but the standover clearance of the smaller 
>> size.  So, it's a perfect storm kind of thing ha ha.  I'll probably try and 
>> catch a Clem on special or maybe get in on the next round of Clem's.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 11:21:06 AM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>>>
>>> Bummer it didn't fit. Have you considered trading for one in your size? 
>>> Could be another person out there looking for a 55. Best of luck in 
>>> resolving it.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

2015-11-04 Thread Christopher Murray

Bill,

I assume you saw the bike and fork crown? What pushed you over? Did you take it 
for a test ride? Would love to hear your impressions. 

Thanks!
Chris

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

I've just seen the photos of the bike and fork crown.  I've ridden a few 
different long chainstay prototypes at RBWHQ, but not the one pictured on 
the BLUG.  I knew I'd be in on a long-stay bike sooner or later.  Those 
bikes are for being happy.  I like being happy, so I had to get one.  Folks 
who don't remember how to smile on a bike tend to frown at the Appaloosa 
for one reason or another.  I can't ride one of the recent Riv "cruisers" 
without smiling, and the Appaloosa I can't even look at without smiling.  

Three things pushed me over.  First the handlebar is too rad for words. 
 Second, I think the decal artwork is fantastic, to go with an already 
awesome headbadge.  Third, the fact that they are going to be sold out on 
pre-sale 55s pretty quick.  I figured I could be one of the 
self-congratulators or one of the kicking-my-self-ers. 

Bill

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 1:42:35 PM UTC-8, Christopher Murray 
wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I assume you saw the bike and fork crown? What pushed you over? Did you 
> take it for a test ride? Would love to hear your impressions. 
>
> Thanks!
> Chris
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Mollusk chino Walk Shorts.

2015-11-04 Thread drew

a little off topic, i just dont know what to do with these. Got 2 pairs of 
these mollusk shorts as a gift and was flattered that the giver thought i 
might be a 28 waist...im not... maybe you are though.  they are brand new 
with tags. one olive, one navy, MUSA.   retail for 70$ each.  how about 50$ 
shipped for the pair?

http://mollusksurfshop.com/collections/mens-autumn-2015/products/walk-shorts-mash-green?variant=1104943245

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Re: [RBW] Portland Nov 4 to the 14th

I’ll let you know bout Friday night. Beer drinking sounds fun, but my daughter 
usually picks out a place for us to eat that she can’t afford to go to on her 
own.

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> On Nov 4, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Shawn Granton  
> wrote:
> 
> Hey Morgan and Eric-
> 
> Glad you are coming to town! Hope ya brought your raingear!
> 
> A bunch of us are doing a mixed terrain/pavement ride on Saturday November 14 
> just east of Portland. Full deets here:
> https://urbanadventureleague.wordpress.com/2015/11/02/chehalem-ridge-ramble-ii-sat-14-nov/
> We'd love to have you guys along. Let me know if you do want to come.
> 
> We could probably scare up some evening beer drinking on Friday the 13th 
> (Velo Cult?) and some other stuff during the week that Morgan is here.
> 
> yours,
> Shawn
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[RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

2015-11-04 Thread Christopher Murray

Seems like an amazing artist and interesting person. I've tried to order a 
frame from Sachs over the last 10-15 years and he never seems to be taking new 
orders. Maybe my timing is bad? It makes him seem less like someone who 
actually makes bikes than this mythical idealized version of someone who makes 
bikes. I always think of the old Bridgestone ad about the metal filings. I 
think that is how he and Grant met. 

Again, seems like a good guy but I'd like him even more if I had one of his 
bikes!

Cheers!
Chris

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[RBW] WTT 80 cm Nitto Dirt Drop Stem for 100cm

2015-11-04 Thread Jayme Frye

Anyone have a 100 cm Dirt Drop they would trade for the 80 cm version? Stem 
is in good condition with minimal wear marks. I can provide pics if you are 
interested in a trade.
Cheers

Jayme

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

2015-11-04 Thread Ryan Fleming

This is probably a silly question but those bolts on the fork crown...are 
they there for mounting some of those front racks? I'm sure they're there 
for a reason and I can't think what else it would be

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 4:08:40 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I've just seen the photos of the bike and fork crown.  I've ridden a few 
> different long chainstay prototypes at RBWHQ, but not the one pictured on 
> the BLUG.  I knew I'd be in on a long-stay bike sooner or later.  Those 
> bikes are for being happy.  I like being happy, so I had to get one.  Folks 
> who don't remember how to smile on a bike tend to frown at the Appaloosa 
> for one reason or another.  I can't ride one of the recent Riv "cruisers" 
> without smiling, and the Appaloosa I can't even look at without smiling.  
>
> Three things pushed me over.  First the handlebar is too rad for words. 
>  Second, I think the decal artwork is fantastic, to go with an already 
> awesome headbadge.  Third, the fact that they are going to be sold out on 
> pre-sale 55s pretty quick.  I figured I could be one of the 
> self-congratulators or one of the kicking-my-self-ers. 
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 1:42:35 PM UTC-8, Christopher Murray 
> wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I assume you saw the bike and fork crown? What pushed you over? Did you 
>> take it for a test ride? Would love to hear your impressions. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Chris
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: B IQ Cyo Senso Plus Dynamo Light

2015-11-04 Thread David Banzer

I've not gotten around to installing dynamo lights on bikes for the winter, 
somehow didn't need to ride in the dark all summer. Anyway, I sprung for an 
Edelux light, and will not be installing the B light.

It's the IQ Cyo Premium Senso version, new in packaging.
Same deal of $83 plus $6 flat shipping, including anything on my webstore - 
treetop.bigcartel.com. 
The original link doesn't work anymore to purchase the light from my 
webstore, so contact me offlist if you'd like it. 

Also have a silver SP SV-8 Dynamo Hub that I got from Riv that I don't 
need. New as well. 36h.
$100 plus the same $6 flat shipping per package.

Thanks,
David
Chicago

On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 3:19:07 PM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>
> I'm bumping up this old thread as I found 2 more of these lights that I'd 
> intended to put on bikes that never got built and frames were sold.
> $83 plus $6 flat shipping per order.
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 5:00:00 PM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>>
>> I had the bright idea (pun!) of setting all my bikes up with dynamo 
>> lights and swapping wheels around as needed. Well, I've been pleased as 
>> punch with a B Ixon battery light, that I'm just leaving a couple dynamo 
>> bikes, and now have a couple extra lights. 
>>
>> So... 
>>
>> FS: B IQ Cyo Premium Senso Plus Dynamo Light. 
>> New in package, which includes wire and spade ends to connect a tail 
>> light. 
>> $83 - $15 less than Peter White's price. 
>> $6 flat shipping per order, so add chainrings or bags or leather washers 
>> or other parts I have listed at treetop.bigcartel.com. 
>> Payment can be made with PayPal or a credit card. 
>> Order here: 
>> http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/b-m-iq-cyo-premium-dynamo-light 
>> Any questions? Please contact me off list. 
>> Thanks, 
>> David 
>> Chicago
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Need a Carradice leather strap.

What color and length do you need? I have a white strap that came with my zip 
roll that I don't need.

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> On Nov 4, 2015, at 4:49 PM, hsmitham  wrote:
> 
> I suppose I could email Carradice but thought someone on this group might 
> have a spare lying around. If you have one I need one for my Camper. Please 
> contact me off list and we can work out the details. And yeah in a pinch I'll 
> use something else.
> 
> Tail Winds,
> 
> ~Hugh
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Re: [RBW] Re: Richard Sachs

AFAIK, Richard has stopped taking "new" orders for frames. He has a multi-year 
backlog that he's working through, and he will do repairs on existing RS 
frames, but other than that you won't be able to get a new frame.

All in all, a very enviable place for him to be.

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> On Nov 4, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Christopher Murray  
> wrote:
> 
> Seems like an amazing artist and interesting person. I've tried to order a 
> frame from Sachs over the last 10-15 years and he never seems to be taking 
> new orders. Maybe my timing is bad? It makes him seem less like someone who 
> actually makes bikes than this mythical idealized version of someone who 
> makes bikes. I always think of the old Bridgestone ad about the metal 
> filings. I think that is how he and Grant met. 
> 
> Again, seems like a good guy but I'd like him even more if I had one of his 
> bikes!
> 
> Cheers!
> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Need a Carradice leather strap.

Hi Eric,

Should have mentioned the color. Thanks.

Looking for the tan/honey variety.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh
On Nov 4, 2015 5:19 PM, "Eric Norris"  wrote:

> What color and length do you need? I have a white strap that came with my
> zip roll that I don't need.
>
> --Eric N
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> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>
> > On Nov 4, 2015, at 4:49 PM, hsmitham  wrote:
> >
> > I suppose I could email Carradice but thought someone on this group
> might have a spare lying around. If you have one I need one for my Camper.
> Please contact me off list and we can work out the details. And yeah in a
> pinch I'll use something else.
> >
> > Tail Winds,
> >
> > ~Hugh
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[RBW] Need a Carradice leather strap.

2015-11-04 Thread hsmitham

I suppose I could email Carradice but thought someone on this group might have 
a spare lying around. If you have one I need one for my Camper. Please contact 
me off list and we can work out the details. And yeah in a pinch I'll use 
something else.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

2015-11-04 Thread Zed Martinez

Bill, just had a chance to check and I can release those VO Grand Cru 
cantilevers and they more than easily clear the tires even with that Surly 
rack stopping them. Plenty of clearance. Which, really seems to be the 
raison d'etre of the Clems.

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 12:47:25 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Looks like you thought of just about everything.  Best wishes getting 
> acquainted.  
>
> Why did you run continuous shift housing all the way back to the Rear Der? 
>  
> Do your front brakes QR open enough to get your front wheel out?  Or does 
> the rack get in the way?  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 6:32:25 AM UTC-8, Zed Martinez wrote:
>>
>> Updated my photos with the complete build done (except wrapping the bars, 
>> it's my couple days of fiddling with fit and dialing it in before that). 
>> Tim, that Surly Nice Rack just barely fits, but fits it does. Had to max 
>> out the bracket heights and it just barely caught braze-ons. Can't use it 
>> on the upper braze-on at the fork end, it'll block QRs, so you have to 
>> mount it where the fender would go and then mount the fender to the lower 
>> rack bracket instead. Not a big deal, I've done that on the last two bikes 
>> that rack lived on too. It's a tight fit at the mid fork ones, so, I 
>> wrapped them with some tape first to minimize scraping and scuffing, but 
>> all in all, was actually the easiest time I've ever had installing that 
>> rack.
>>
>> Got in to work this morning and a coworker who admires Riv bikes and has 
>> been waiting to see mine caught me at the door and insisted on getting my 
>> photo with it. It's a nice looking rig all built up, but it'll take me a 
>> couple more rides to get used to how it rides. With the albastache I have 
>> about the same lean to the bars I did on my 650b Rivenfried mid-80's Fuji 
>> this replaces, except the bars are like 5" higher up. My body is confused 
>> because half of it's like my previous build and half is like my 3-speed 
>> roadster. Rides pretty well though. Those Switchback Hill tires are dreams, 
>> I tell ya. A little prone to wobble no-handed, I need to check the headset 
>> adjustment and wheel stabilizer tension tonight. Otherwise, it's off to a 
>> promising start.
>>
>>
>> https://onedrive.live.com/?id=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9%21454124=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9=0=%21AJFYm5zGTQyGk3U=photos
>>
>> Link again to the photos, just to save scrolling back and what-not: 
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/bDrtVdwnZbs
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 1:10:44 PM UTC-5, Tim Wood wrote:
>>>
>>> Looks good Zed, nice build. I'm curious to see how the front surly rack 
>>> looks on there, keep the photos coming!
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need a Carradice leather strap.

Thanks George. I think Drew has me covered. And he's local.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh
On Nov 4, 2015 8:19 PM, "George Cline"  wrote:

> Or try here:  http://www.wallbike.com/
>
> Bill's a good guy and he has Carradice spares.
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 4:49:26 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> I suppose I could email Carradice but thought someone on this group might
>> have a spare lying around. If you have one I need one for my Camper. Please
>> contact me off list and we can work out the details. And yeah in a pinch
>> I'll use something else.
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>> ~Hugh
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Re: [RBW] My new project, The DirtDance Spinnaker Bag.

2015-11-04 Thread Mike Williams

Looks super cool and functional,  well done man!   No wobble when its loaded 
up?   Also what tires/ bars on your Atlantis?? 

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [RBW] Need a Carradice leather strap.

2015-11-04 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch

Are any of these similar enough to a Carradice?

http://www.rivbike.com/Bike-Bags-s/37.htm?searching=Y=2=37=16=4

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 9:33:09 PM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:
>
> And long length needed to a run through bag and attach to brooks hoop tabs.
> On Nov 4, 2015 6:31 PM, "Hugh Smitham"  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> Should have mentioned the color. Thanks.
>>
>> Looking for the tan/honey variety. 
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>> On Nov 4, 2015 5:19 PM, "Eric Norris"  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What color and length do you need? I have a white strap that came with 
>>> my zip roll that I don't need.
>>>
>>> --Eric N
>>> www.CampyOnly.com
>>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
>>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>>
>>> > On Nov 4, 2015, at 4:49 PM, hsmitham  
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I suppose I could email Carradice but thought someone on this group 
>>> might have a spare lying around. If you have one I need one for my Camper. 
>>> Please contact me off list and we can work out the details. And yeah in a 
>>> pinch I'll use something else.
>>> >
>>> > Tail Winds,
>>> >
>>> > ~Hugh
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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

Very nice!

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Re: [RBW] Need a Carradice leather strap.

2015-11-04 Thread drew

Think I may have one. I'll go look

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Re: [RBW] Need a Carradice leather strap.

And long length needed to a run through bag and attach to brooks hoop tabs.
On Nov 4, 2015 6:31 PM, "Hugh Smitham"  wrote:

> Hi Eric,
>
> Should have mentioned the color. Thanks.
>
> Looking for the tan/honey variety.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
> On Nov 4, 2015 5:19 PM, "Eric Norris"  wrote:
>
>> What color and length do you need? I have a white strap that came with my
>> zip roll that I don't need.
>>
>> --Eric N
>> www.CampyOnly.com
>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>
>> > On Nov 4, 2015, at 4:49 PM, hsmitham  wrote:
>> >
>> > I suppose I could email Carradice but thought someone on this group
>> might have a spare lying around. If you have one I need one for my Camper.
>> Please contact me off list and we can work out the details. And yeah in a
>> pinch I'll use something else.
>> >
>> > Tail Winds,
>> >
>> > ~Hugh
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Re: [RBW] Need a Carradice leather strap.

Thanks Mark,  I was hoping for a less expensive solution. But push comes to
shove your suggestion may be the easiest.
On Nov 4, 2015 6:55 PM, "'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch" <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Are any of these similar enough to a Carradice?
>
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/Bike-Bags-s/37.htm?searching=Y=2=37=16=4
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 9:33:09 PM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> And long length needed to a run through bag and attach to brooks hoop
>> tabs.
>> On Nov 4, 2015 6:31 PM, "Hugh Smitham"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Eric,
>>>
>>> Should have mentioned the color. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Looking for the tan/honey variety.
>>>
>>> Tail Winds,
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>> On Nov 4, 2015 5:19 PM, "Eric Norris"  wrote:
>>>
 What color and length do you need? I have a white strap that came with
 my zip roll that I don't need.

 --Eric N
 www.CampyOnly.com
 CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
 Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

 > On Nov 4, 2015, at 4:49 PM, hsmitham  wrote:
 >
 > I suppose I could email Carradice but thought someone on this group
 might have a spare lying around. If you have one I need one for my Camper.
 Please contact me off list and we can work out the details. And yeah in a
 pinch I'll use something else.
 >
 > Tail Winds,
 >
 > ~Hugh
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Re: [RBW] Need a Carradice leather strap.

Thanks Drew.
On Nov 4, 2015 7:39 PM, "drew"  wrote:

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[RBW] Re: Need a Carradice leather strap.

2015-11-04 Thread George Cline

Or try here:  http://www.wallbike.com/

Bill's a good guy and he has Carradice spares.

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> I suppose I could email Carradice but thought someone on this group might 
> have a spare lying around. If you have one I need one for my Camper. Please 
> contact me off list and we can work out the details. And yeah in a pinch 
> I'll use something else.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne Frame Size 55 (Blue/Cream) - LIKE NEW - (frame/fork/headset/BB/seat post)

Pics are now available via request through private message.

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 9:36:23 AM UTC-5, RDS wrote:
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> Last week I purchased a Blue/Cream 55 Hillborne Frame from one of Riv's 
> dealers in New York (Yellow Haus - very impressed with them).  I am on the 
> borderline between sizes and the sizing just didn't work out as planned.  I 
> am so bummed out as it is a beautiful frame.  The bike has been partially 
> built, but never ridden.
>
> *As I received it, included is the frame, fork, headset, BB (107), and 
> seatpost.  I should have some pics available tomorrow.  *
>
> I installed the fork, BB (not the one that came with the frame), seatpost 
> (not the one that came with the frame), stem with bars, and wheels.  Then I 
> stood over the bike checking the sizing, etc and came to the depressing 
> realization that this frame was not going to work for me.  Depressing.  I 
> DID NOT install a crank or derailer's or brakes or any cables.  I just did 
> enough to see how the sizing would work.  I installed the BB in 
> anticipation of it fitting.  I will disassemble what I have done and 
> attempt to ship it as it was shipped to me. 
>
> *I realize that I will have to take a loss on the frame.  I paid $1,300 
> plus shipping.  I am willing to sell it for $1,100 and I will pay for 
> shipping.  I will only sell and ship to the USA 48 contiguous states.  
> Paypal for payment.*
>
> I had also purchased a set of the Tektro R559 recessed brakes for this 
> frame.  I will sell them for an additional $25 if interested.
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

2015-11-04 Thread Edwin W

Zed,

Impressive work, and so fast! I got my lil' Clem (46?) today and put a few 
hours into it. I'll get some pictures by the weekend. I messed up on a few 
things! Two steps forward, one back, and so forth. 
One thing I noticed is that some of the eyelets are m5, I think (standard) and 
some are bigger. Beefier?
I did a lot of fussing with rack and fender placement and attachment. The hoods 
on the rear drop out are too close to the eyelets to fit the face of my 
pletscher rack, so I filed the plates down a bit. 
I have 55 fenders and 1.75 paselas and lots of room left over. 
I'll have to figure out a good way to take pictures and post them. The bar I 
had is bigger than I thought so I may have to rethink that. 
Oh, and my dirt drop stem would not go that deep into the head tube. Does it 
taper? I have an albatross set up I might use instead. 
When I ordered brakes, I only ordered half a bikes worth. No wonder they were 
so cheap!
Learning, learning,

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

2015-11-04 Thread Kieran J

Fer sure! In the winter, I'm lucky if my bike is even halfway working ..

KJ


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> Cold weather folks have to think about more things than I do.  
>
> best
> Bill
>
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[RBW] Re: My new project, The DirtDance Spinnaker Bag.

2015-11-04 Thread drew

agreed. need photos. sounds excellent

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

2015-11-04 Thread Philip Kim

That looks great! I didn't realize how long the chainstays were, but seems 
like it would be a comfy ride.

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-5, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> Updated my photos with the complete build done (except wrapping the bars, 
> it's my couple days of fiddling with fit and dialing it in before that). 
> Tim, that Surly Nice Rack just barely fits, but fits it does. Had to max 
> out the bracket heights and it just barely caught braze-ons. Can't use it 
> on the upper braze-on at the fork end, it'll block QRs, so you have to 
> mount it where the fender would go and then mount the fender to the lower 
> rack bracket instead. Not a big deal, I've done that on the last two bikes 
> that rack lived on too. It's a tight fit at the mid fork ones, so, I 
> wrapped them with some tape first to minimize scraping and scuffing, but 
> all in all, was actually the easiest time I've ever had installing that 
> rack.
>
> Got in to work this morning and a coworker who admires Riv bikes and has 
> been waiting to see mine caught me at the door and insisted on getting my 
> photo with it. It's a nice looking rig all built up, but it'll take me a 
> couple more rides to get used to how it rides. With the albastache I have 
> about the same lean to the bars I did on my 650b Rivenfried mid-80's Fuji 
> this replaces, except the bars are like 5" higher up. My body is confused 
> because half of it's like my previous build and half is like my 3-speed 
> roadster. Rides pretty well though. Those Switchback Hill tires are dreams, 
> I tell ya. A little prone to wobble no-handed, I need to check the headset 
> adjustment and wheel stabilizer tension tonight. Otherwise, it's off to a 
> promising start.
>
>
> https://onedrive.live.com/?id=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9%21454124=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9=0=%21AJFYm5zGTQyGk3U=photos
>
> Link again to the photos, just to save scrolling back and what-not: 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/bDrtVdwnZbs
>
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 1:10:44 PM UTC-5, Tim Wood wrote:
>>
>> Looks good Zed, nice build. I'm curious to see how the front surly rack 
>> looks on there, keep the photos coming!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Front Racks with Top of Fork Attachment

The Appaloosa crown includes a fork crown top boss that draws a ton of 
attention to itself.  I'm hoping they have a new Nitto rack in the works to 
fit that crown.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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>
> It opens up possibilities for rear racks to be mounted up front as well - 
> I'll be test fitting a Nitto R15 on my Clem since I have it on another bike 
> (in the rear as intended) but have yet to actually use it. 
> As Ron mentioned, custom built racks would definitely utilize the top of 
> fork crown mounts. I'm considering having Joel from Clockwork make a custom 
> semi-porteur rack attaching to the mid-fork and top of crown attachments.
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 12:59:05 PM UTC-6, Edwin W wrote:
>>
>> With several Riv models now including attachment points at the top of the 
>> fork crown (including the new Clem/Clementine and Appaloosa), I would like 
>> to see some picture of how people use them and with which racks.
>>
>> Interested,
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

2015-11-04 Thread Deacon Patrick

She's got brass ones of a different color:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/22774664922/in/dateposted-public/

Fancy yet affordable
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/22395953539/in/dateposted-public/

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
> I was just curious to see how all of the colors turned out for each 
> model.  Please, let's see some pics whether bike or frame.
>

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[RBW] Re: Front Racks with Top of Fork Attachment

http://www.bikerecyclery.com/nib-nos-pletscher-front-rack-fork-crown-mount/ 
 


A Pletscher rack once made for them  

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[RBW] Re: Front Racks with Top of Fork Attachment

2015-11-04 Thread David Banzer

It opens up possibilities for rear racks to be mounted up front as well - 
I'll be test fitting a Nitto R15 on my Clem since I have it on another bike 
(in the rear as intended) but have yet to actually use it. 
As Ron mentioned, custom built racks would definitely utilize the top of 
fork crown mounts. I'm considering having Joel from Clockwork make a custom 
semi-porteur rack attaching to the mid-fork and top of crown attachments.
David
Chicago

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 12:59:05 PM UTC-6, Edwin W wrote:
>
> With several Riv models now including attachment points at the top of the 
> fork crown (including the new Clem/Clementine and Appaloosa), I would like 
> to see some picture of how people use them and with which racks.
>
> Interested,
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] FS: Sam Hillborne Frame Size 55 (Blue/Cream) - LIKE NEW - (frame/fork/headset/BB/seat post)



Last week I purchased a Blue/Cream 55 Hillborne Frame from one of Riv's 
dealers in New York (Yellow Haus - very impressed with them).  I am on the 
borderline between sizes and the sizing just didn't work out as planned.  I 
am so bummed out as it is a beautiful frame.  The bike has been partially 
built, but never ridden.

*As I received it, included is the frame, fork, headset, BB (107), and 
seatpost.  I should have some pics available tomorrow.  *

I installed the fork, BB (not the one that came with the frame), seatpost 
(not the one that came with the frame), stem with bars, and wheels.  Then I 
stood over the bike checking the sizing, etc and came to the depressing 
realization that this frame was not going to work for me.  Depressing.  I 
DID NOT install a crank or derailer's or brakes or any cables.  I just did 
enough to see how the sizing would work.  I installed the BB in 
anticipation of it fitting.  I will disassemble what I have done and 
attempt to ship it as it was shipped to me. 

*I realize that I will have to take a loss on the frame.  I paid $1,300 
plus shipping.  I am willing to sell it for $1,100 and I will pay for 
shipping.  I will only sell and ship to the USA 48 contiguous states.  
Paypal for payment.*

I had also purchased a set of the Tektro R559 recessed brakes for this 
frame.  I will sell them for an additional $25 if interested.

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

2015-11-04 Thread Zed Martinez

Updated my photos with the complete build done (except wrapping the bars,
it's my couple days of fiddling with fit and dialing it in before that).
Tim, that Surly Nice Rack just barely fits, but fits it does. Had to max
out the bracket heights and it just barely caught braze-ons. Can't use it
on the upper braze-on at the fork end, it'll block QRs, so you have to
mount it where the fender would go and then mount the fender to the lower
rack bracket instead. Not a big deal, I've done that on the last two bikes
that rack lived on too. It's a tight fit at the mid fork ones, so, I
wrapped them with some tape first to minimize scraping and scuffing, but
all in all, was actually the easiest time I've ever had installing that
rack.

Got in to work this morning and a coworker who admires Riv bikes and has
been waiting to see mine caught me at the door and insisted on getting my
photo with it. It's a nice looking rig all built up, but it'll take me a
couple more rides to get used to how it rides. With the albastache I have
about the same lean to the bars I did on my 650b Rivenfried mid-80's Fuji
this replaces, except the bars are like 5" higher up. My body is confused
because half of it's like my previous build and half is like my 3-speed
roadster. Rides pretty well though. Those Switchback Hill tires are dreams,
I tell ya. A little prone to wobble no-handed, I need to check the headset
adjustment and wheel stabilizer tension tonight. Otherwise, it's off to a
promising start.

https://onedrive.live.com/?id=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9%21454124=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9=0=%21AJFYm5zGTQyGk3U=photos

Link again to the photos, just to save scrolling back and
what-not: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/bDrtVdwnZbs

On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 1:10:44 PM UTC-5, Tim Wood wrote:
>
> Looks good Zed, nice build. I'm curious to see how the front surly rack
> looks on there, keep the photos coming!

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Re: [RBW] Portland Nov 4 to the 14th

Ill be visiting with a bike Nov 13 and 14. I'm planing a ride to Crown Point, 
probably on the 13th. Let me know if you're interested in coming along. It's 
about 65 miles round trip. 

Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
Twitter @CampyOnlyGuy
Blog: CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com

> On Nov 2, 2015, at 12:03 PM, MTR  wrote:
> 
> Hey Owners Bunch, I'll be up in Portland living off my Sam Hillborne from 
> Wednesday November 4 to Saturday November 14th. 
> 
> I've never been there before and I wondering in any folks on the list would 
> want to go for a day ride or an overnight bikecamping trip, get a beer or 
> some coffee, host me for a night or two, or whatever.
> 
> I have some friends I'm going to visit, but few definite plans at the moment 
> and there is nothing better than getting out with someone with local 
> knowledge.
> 
> A little about me, I'm 30, easy going, self sufficient, and like mixed 
> terrain rides on the slightly mellower side of things. 
> 
> Got a free day, or morning or afternoon and want to go ride bikes, get at me. 
> 
> Morgan
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[RBW] Re: Front Racks with Top of Fork Attachment

2015-11-04 Thread Leslie

I took a Tubus Cosmo (which is normally a rear rack), and mounted it onto 
the front of my Bombadil:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/7460286064/in/album-72157623199721925/
 


I then put a Platrack on top of it:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/18357092721/in/album-72157623199721925/

At that point, I normally ziptie a Wald basket onto the top of the 
Platrack; the Platrack makes a great foundation for the basket. 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/22755349636/in/album-72157623199721925/





On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 1:59:05 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
> With several Riv models now including attachment points at the top of the 
> fork crown (including the new Clem/Clementine and Appaloosa), I would like 
> to see some picture of how people use them and with which racks.
>
> Interested,
>
> Edwin
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Racks with Top of Fork Attachment

2015-11-04 Thread Tim Gavin

The clamps and struts on those Surly racks are very secure and quite
adaptable.  They seem like the perfect solution.

I mount a Surly Nice Rack on the rear of my Fatbike.  I used that rack
because it's so adjustable, and the fat bike is, well, big-boned.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 7:57 AM, Garth  wrote:

>
>
>I'll also also add that with Surly's "rear rack upper kit" you can
> mount many other racks (VO and Soma porteur for example) to the top braze
> on also.  Here's a couple ideas , but these are just 2 .  The Surly mounts
> can be used with any like tube diameter racks . Limitless possibilities .
>
>
> http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/orange-velo-porteur-rack-moonlander-851739.html
> http://oceanaircycles.com/2013/10/18/upper-porteur-mounting/
> http://surlybikes.com/parts/cargo/rear_rack_upper_kit
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[RBW] Re: Front Racks with Top of Fork Attachment

here's another application I ran across when I was plotting my solution 


  

a custom porteur rack on fork crown bosses on a custom frame

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[RBW] Re: Front Racks with Top of Fork Attachment

New Surly racks that would work with them  



http://www.cyclingabout.com/surly-releases-porteur-front-racks/

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[RBW] Re: Front Racks with Top of Fork Attachment

Bruce Gordon's MTB Rack  


  

mounting points at fork crown and dropout bosses

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[RBW] Re: Front Racks with Top of Fork Attachment

2015-11-04 Thread Garth





   Bomba !  



On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 1:59:05 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
> With several Riv models now including attachment points at the top of the 
> fork crown (including the new Clem/Clementine and Appaloosa), I would like 
> to see some picture of how people use them and with which racks.
>
> Interested,
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Front Racks with Top of Fork Attachment

2015-11-04 Thread Garth



   I'll also also add that with Surly's "rear rack upper kit" you can mount 
many other racks (VO and Soma porteur for example) to the top braze on 
also.  Here's a couple ideas , but these are just 2 .  The Surly mounts can 
be used with any like tube diameter racks . Limitless possibilities . 

http://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/orange-velo-porteur-rack-moonlander-851739.html
http://oceanaircycles.com/2013/10/18/upper-porteur-mounting/
http://surlybikes.com/parts/cargo/rear_rack_upper_kit

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[RBW] Re: FS: Small Bags

2015-11-04 Thread David Banzer

UPDATED LIST...

Need racks for Clem, selling some ready-made bags at a discount.
You can pay through my webstore - treetop.bigcartel.com - free shipping on 
everything.

Buy 2 bags, $5 off, 3 bags $10 off - will be sent as a refund after order 
is complete.

Deluxe Saddle Wedge - based on Acorn's long discontinued tubular bag - 
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/deluxe-saddle-wedge-ready-made
Orange canvas with tan leather - $40 - no one likes orange apparently! - a 
nice match to Newbaum's burnt orange tape

Rolltop Saddle Wedge - based on Acorn's long discontinued tubular bag - 
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/medium-saddle-wedge-ready-made
Tan canvas with tan leather - $40

Mini Rando Bag - 
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/mini-rando-bag-black-ready-made
Black WR Martexin canvas, tan leather, black leather trim - $60

Boxy Bar/Saddle Bag - same size as mini rando, turned out very similar to 
Riv's XS saddlesack - 
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/boxy-bar-saddle-bag-ready-made
Black WR Martexin canvas, tan leather - $50
Tan cordura fabric, brown leather - $30, prototype with new fabric, no 
straps included

Thanks.
David
Chicago

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[RBW] FS: Sam Hillborne Frame Size 55 (Blue/Cream) - LIKE NEW - (frame/fork/headset/BB/seat post)

2015-11-04 Thread dougP

Bummer it didn't fit. Have you considered trading for one in your size? Could 
be another person out there looking for a 55. Best of luck in resolving it.

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

2015-11-04 Thread iamkeith

Gorgeous build, Zed!  For completely selfish reasons though, I hope that 
your handlebar selection DOESN'T work out.   I'm currently planning/hoping 
to use some Bosco bars, but with a stem that's somewhat shorter than the 
12cm effective which comes on the stock bullmoose version.  So handlebars 
will be closer to me rather than further away, as yours are - compared to 
the completes.   I'd be very interested in hearing about your experiences 
and adjustments as you dial it in, no matter what.

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 7:32:25 AM UTC-7, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> Updated my photos with the complete build done (except wrapping the bars, 
> it's my couple days of fiddling with fit and dialing it in before that). 
> Tim, that Surly Nice Rack just barely fits, but fits it does. Had to max 
> out the bracket heights and it just barely caught braze-ons. Can't use it 
> on the upper braze-on at the fork end, it'll block QRs, so you have to 
> mount it where the fender would go and then mount the fender to the lower 
> rack bracket instead. Not a big deal, I've done that on the last two bikes 
> that rack lived on too. It's a tight fit at the mid fork ones, so, I 
> wrapped them with some tape first to minimize scraping and scuffing, but 
> all in all, was actually the easiest time I've ever had installing that 
> rack.
>
> Got in to work this morning and a coworker who admires Riv bikes and has 
> been waiting to see mine caught me at the door and insisted on getting my 
> photo with it. It's a nice looking rig all built up, but it'll take me a 
> couple more rides to get used to how it rides. With the albastache I have 
> about the same lean to the bars I did on my 650b Rivenfried mid-80's Fuji 
> this replaces, except the bars are like 5" higher up. My body is confused 
> because half of it's like my previous build and half is like my 3-speed 
> roadster. Rides pretty well though. Those Switchback Hill tires are dreams, 
> I tell ya. A little prone to wobble no-handed, I need to check the headset 
> adjustment and wheel stabilizer tension tonight. Otherwise, it's off to a 
> promising start.
>
>
> https://onedrive.live.com/?id=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9%21454124=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9=0=%21AJFYm5zGTQyGk3U=photos
>
> Link again to the photos, just to save scrolling back and what-not: 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/bDrtVdwnZbs
>
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 1:10:44 PM UTC-5, Tim Wood wrote:
>>
>> Looks good Zed, nice build. I'm curious to see how the front surly rack 
>> looks on there, keep the photos coming!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] My new project, The DirtDance Spinnaker Bag.

2015-11-04 Thread Mike Williams

Sounds awesome!   Pictures man!!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 4, 2015, at 8:53 AM, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm actually exhausted, and feel a little sick to my stomach. Too much coffee 
> (my beloved addiction) and a new serious obsession. I developed a new kind of 
> bikepacking bag that addresses problems I have had. 
> There were several surprises of perfect serendipity that occurred. I love it 
> when it happens, and it is happening more and more with my projects. 
> Serendipity is THE golden moment of creativity! (A guiding hand, a ghost? Or 
> does my subconscious see solutions and combinations before my conscious mind 
> sees them?) 
> Ok, back to the bag. It weighs the same as a small Wald basket without the 
> baskets mounting hardware, but with three times the capacity. It is intended 
> to sit on top of my front rack and hold my tent and sleeping pad, as well as 
> some odds and ends. It holds various sized loads very tightly, with no 
> shimmy, shaking, squeaking, rattling, shifting or ANY load movement. It is 
> very aerodynamic, considering. The bag only has one buckle. There are no 
> compression straps in or around the bag. The bottom of the bag is padded. The 
> base plate has a very simple and integrated low profile quick release, that 
> snaps on the rack instantly, with no moving parts and leaves no hardware left 
> on the rack when removed (It is very strong and stands no chance of 
> jettisoning the load accidentally). There is a built in spring tensioner that 
> is part of the base plate, designed out of ABS that helps keep the load under 
> tension. There are no moving parts. At camp, it expands to HUGE (three times 
> the size of a small Wald basket) and stays wide open, sitting tall, while 
> mounted on top of the rack, making a great pantry. It then zips shut to keep 
> out the critters, while you take a walk to the toilet or take a safety break. 
> If there is a strong tailwind, it can become a spinnaker. When cold, it can 
> block the wind that hits my thighs and lower torso. When empty and stowed on 
> the bike, it is tiny, about the size of a TV dinner box. 
> I need to make a new one, that is not my reused, homemade basket bag, but a 
> bag designed from the start. Due to serendipity, I found some new things to 
> fix and add. I can take some of the weight out of the base plate too. 
> I am pretty stoked, all in all. 
> I REALLY need a new walking foot sewing machine to clean up my sewing. My one 
> hundred dollar, ten year old Singer is not designed for such brutal projects. 
> It is very frustrating to use. I am going to buy one, as soon as my desire 
> wins over the responsibility to my wallet.
> 
> 
> The Bend Clayton
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[RBW] My new project, The DirtDance Spinnaker Bag.

2015-11-04 Thread 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch

I'm actually exhausted, and feel a little sick to my stomach. Too much 
coffee (my beloved addiction) and a new serious obsession. I developed a 
new kind of bikepacking bag that addresses problems I have had. 
There were several surprises of perfect serendipity that occurred. I love 
it when it happens, and it is happening more and more with my projects. 
Serendipity is THE golden moment of creativity! (A guiding hand, a ghost? 
Or does my subconscious see solutions and combinations before my conscious 
mind sees them?) 
Ok, back to the bag. It weighs the same as a small Wald basket without the 
baskets mounting hardware, but with three times the capacity. It is 
intended to sit on top of my front rack and hold my tent and sleeping pad, 
as well as some odds and ends. It holds various sized loads very tightly, 
with no shimmy, shaking, squeaking, rattling, shifting or ANY load 
movement. It is very aerodynamic, considering. The bag only has one buckle. 
There are no compression straps in or around the bag. The bottom of the bag 
is padded. The base plate has a very simple and integrated low profile 
quick release, that snaps on the rack instantly, with no moving parts and 
leaves no hardware left on the rack when removed (It is very strong and 
stands no chance of jettisoning the load accidentally). There is a built in 
spring tensioner that is part of the base plate, designed out of ABS that 
helps keep the load under tension. There are no moving parts. At camp, it 
expands to HUGE (three times the size of a small Wald basket) and stays 
wide open, sitting tall, while mounted on top of the rack, making a great 
pantry. It then zips shut to keep out the critters, while you take a walk 
to the toilet or take a safety break. If there is a strong tailwind, it can 
become a spinnaker. When cold, it can block the wind that hits my thighs 
and lower torso. When empty and stowed on the bike, it is tiny, about the 
size of a TV dinner box. 
I need to make a new one, that is not my reused, homemade basket bag, but a 
bag designed from the start. Due to serendipity, I found some new things to 
fix and add. I can take some of the weight out of the base plate too. 
I am pretty stoked, all in all. 
I REALLY need a new walking foot sewing machine to clean up my sewing. My 
one hundred dollar, ten year old Singer is not designed for such brutal 
projects. It is very frustrating to use. I am going to buy one, as soon as 
my desire wins over the responsibility to my wallet.


The Bend Clayton

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

2015-11-04 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch

Looks real nice, Zed. I also have a 52cm coming (Clementine). Just curious, 
what is your saddle height? Also, which fenders are those? Thanks.

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-5, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> Updated my photos with the complete build done (except wrapping the bars, 
> it's my couple days of fiddling with fit and dialing it in before that).
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

Looks like you thought of just about everything.  Best wishes getting 
acquainted.  

Why did you run continuous shift housing all the way back to the Rear Der?  
Do your front brakes QR open enough to get your front wheel out?  Or does 
the rack get in the way?  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 6:32:25 AM UTC-8, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> Updated my photos with the complete build done (except wrapping the bars, 
> it's my couple days of fiddling with fit and dialing it in before that). 
> Tim, that Surly Nice Rack just barely fits, but fits it does. Had to max 
> out the bracket heights and it just barely caught braze-ons. Can't use it 
> on the upper braze-on at the fork end, it'll block QRs, so you have to 
> mount it where the fender would go and then mount the fender to the lower 
> rack bracket instead. Not a big deal, I've done that on the last two bikes 
> that rack lived on too. It's a tight fit at the mid fork ones, so, I 
> wrapped them with some tape first to minimize scraping and scuffing, but 
> all in all, was actually the easiest time I've ever had installing that 
> rack.
>
> Got in to work this morning and a coworker who admires Riv bikes and has 
> been waiting to see mine caught me at the door and insisted on getting my 
> photo with it. It's a nice looking rig all built up, but it'll take me a 
> couple more rides to get used to how it rides. With the albastache I have 
> about the same lean to the bars I did on my 650b Rivenfried mid-80's Fuji 
> this replaces, except the bars are like 5" higher up. My body is confused 
> because half of it's like my previous build and half is like my 3-speed 
> roadster. Rides pretty well though. Those Switchback Hill tires are dreams, 
> I tell ya. A little prone to wobble no-handed, I need to check the headset 
> adjustment and wheel stabilizer tension tonight. Otherwise, it's off to a 
> promising start.
>
>
> https://onedrive.live.com/?id=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9%21454124=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9=0=%21AJFYm5zGTQyGk3U=photos
>
> Link again to the photos, just to save scrolling back and what-not: 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/bDrtVdwnZbs
>
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2015 at 1:10:44 PM UTC-5, Tim Wood wrote:
>>
>> Looks good Zed, nice build. I'm curious to see how the front surly rack 
>> looks on there, keep the photos coming!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

2015-11-04 Thread Zed Martinez

Mark: usually around 68cm or so. Depends on the shoes and pedals I use most 
with the bike. I seem to like my saddle about 1-2cm lower than Grant's 
method would recommend, but I definitely start getting some numbness and 
hot patches in the balls of my feet if I have the saddle up that little 
extra. Haven't measured this one yet, still dialing in the final. The 
fenders are the SKS P55 ones. They just fit a charm with the 48mm 
SwitchbackHills, which are the fattest road tires I plan to run. Wider will 
be knobbies and I'll take the fenders off.

iamkeith: I'm hoping it works, because I love the shape of the albastache 
and how my hands drift and move across it better than any other bar, and 
all the current alternatives from Riv suit me less (they generally have too 
much rise near the bends which is really a sweet spot for me when I'm on a 
good cruise, kick my wrist at weird angles and they start getting weird 
fast. Curse my finicky wrists). That new choco-moose looks like it could be 
a good solution for that down the road, much flatter through the bends, I'd 
probably like that. Mostly, I have a roadster with north roads on it that 
fall between the albastache and the albatross bars, and I find myself 
wishing it let me go farther forward more often than I use it all the way 
back on the grips, so, yeah, I'm hoping this splits that difference more. 
Haven't ruled out needed to go to a 80mm Dirt Drop for the effective 65mm 
reach instead of my 80mm Technomic though to really pull it off. I'll give 
it the rest of the week and see if I settle into it. It's a neat posture, 
you're way up in the air but still leaning a fair chunk forwards. I want to 
like it, and nothing hurt or went numb, so, I think it'll work one way or 
another.

Bill: Whew, I tried. This is the third iteration of a project I've been 
building and rebuilding around different frames the past two years. It 
hasn't made it out on tour yet, but the stuff that I had on hand has 
certainly survived the trials by fire to get here ;) I ran continuous 
shifting because I ride year 'round in the midwest and I've had a couple 
winters where slush and muck would get into the rear housing by the drop 
and then promptly freeze 5 minutes after taking it out in the morning, 
sticking me with a rather unwieldly 3 speed until I got to the office to 
thaw it. It's just easier to run it continuous and have to change it out 
less often, and I never miss a shift now no matter the temp. I haven't 
tried the brakes yet, but they have a good inch or so they can drop before 
they hit the rack, so, they will /probably/ work. But, if not, I'll live. 
Usually if the front wheel is coming out it's flat anyway so it won't be a 
major hindrance. But it should. I'll try tonight and report back.

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 12:47:25 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Looks like you thought of just about everything.  Best wishes getting 
> acquainted.  
>
> Why did you run continuous shift housing all the way back to the Rear Der? 
>  
> Do your front brakes QR open enough to get your front wheel out?  Or does 
> the rack get in the way?  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 6:32:25 AM UTC-8, Zed Martinez wrote:
>>
>> Updated my photos with the complete build done (except wrapping the bars, 
>> it's my couple days of fiddling with fit and dialing it in before that). 
>> Tim, that Surly Nice Rack just barely fits, but fits it does. Had to max 
>> out the bracket heights and it just barely caught braze-ons. Can't use it 
>> on the upper braze-on at the fork end, it'll block QRs, so you have to 
>> mount it where the fender would go and then mount the fender to the lower 
>> rack bracket instead. Not a big deal, I've done that on the last two bikes 
>> that rack lived on too. It's a tight fit at the mid fork ones, so, I 
>> wrapped them with some tape first to minimize scraping and scuffing, but 
>> all in all, was actually the easiest time I've ever had installing that 
>> rack.
>>
>> Got in to work this morning and a coworker who admires Riv bikes and has 
>> been waiting to see mine caught me at the door and insisted on getting my 
>> photo with it. It's a nice looking rig all built up, but it'll take me a 
>> couple more rides to get used to how it rides. With the albastache I have 
>> about the same lean to the bars I did on my 650b Rivenfried mid-80's Fuji 
>> this replaces, except the bars are like 5" higher up. My body is confused 
>> because half of it's like my previous build and half is like my 3-speed 
>> roadster. Rides pretty well though. Those Switchback Hill tires are dreams, 
>> I tell ya. A little prone to wobble no-handed, I need to check the headset 
>> adjustment and wheel stabilizer tension tonight. Otherwise, it's off to a 
>> promising start.
>>
>>
>> https://onedrive.live.com/?id=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9%21454124=C37EE9A2EAE73EA9=0=%21AJFYm5zGTQyGk3U=photos
>>
>> Link again to the photos, just to save scrolling

[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

Yikes.  Freezing water in your shift housing make it impossible to shift. 
 I haven't experienced that one (thank Lob).  Cold weather folks have to 
think about more things than I do.  

best
Bill

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 10:05:22 AM UTC-8, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> Mark: usually around 68cm or so. Depends on the shoes and pedals I use 
> most with the bike. I seem to like my saddle about 1-2cm lower than Grant's 
> method would recommend, but I definitely start getting some numbness and 
> hot patches in the balls of my feet if I have the saddle up that little 
> extra. Haven't measured this one yet, still dialing in the final. The 
> fenders are the SKS P55 ones. They just fit a charm with the 48mm 
> SwitchbackHills, which are the fattest road tires I plan to run. Wider will 
> be knobbies and I'll take the fenders off.
>
> iamkeith: I'm hoping it works, because I love the shape of the albastache 
> and how my hands drift and move across it better than any other bar, and 
> all the current alternatives from Riv suit me less (they generally have too 
> much rise near the bends which is really a sweet spot for me when I'm on a 
> good cruise, kick my wrist at weird angles and they start getting weird 
> fast. Curse my finicky wrists). That new choco-moose looks like it could be 
> a good solution for that down the road, much flatter through the bends, I'd 
> probably like that. Mostly, I have a roadster with north roads on it that 
> fall between the albastache and the albatross bars, and I find myself 
> wishing it let me go farther forward more often than I use it all the way 
> back on the grips, so, yeah, I'm hoping this splits that difference more. 
> Haven't ruled out needed to go to a 80mm Dirt Drop for the effective 65mm 
> reach instead of my 80mm Technomic though to really pull it off. I'll give 
> it the rest of the week and see if I settle into it. It's a neat posture, 
> you're way up in the air but still leaning a fair chunk forwards. I want to 
> like it, and nothing hurt or went numb, so, I think it'll work one way or 
> another.
>
> Bill: Whew, I tried. This is the third iteration of a project I've been 
> building and rebuilding around different frames the past two years. It 
> hasn't made it out on tour yet, but the stuff that I had on hand has 
> certainly survived the trials by fire to get here ;) I ran continuous 
> shifting because I ride year 'round in the midwest and I've had a couple 
> winters where slush and muck would get into the rear housing by the drop 
> and then promptly freeze 5 minutes after taking it out in the morning, 
> sticking me with a rather unwieldly 3 speed until I got to the office to 
> thaw it. It's just easier to run it continuous and have to change it out 
> less often, and I never miss a shift now no matter the temp. I haven't 
> tried the brakes yet, but they have a good inch or so they can drop before 
> they hit the rack, so, they will /probably/ work. But, if not, I'll live. 
> Usually if the front wheel is coming out it's flat anyway so it won't be a 
> major hindrance. But it should. I'll try tonight and report back.
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 12:47:25 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Looks like you thought of just about everything.  Best wishes getting 
>> acquainted.  
>>
>> Why did you run continuous shift housing all the way back to the Rear 
>> Der?  
>> Do your front brakes QR open enough to get your front wheel out?  Or does 
>> the rack get in the way?  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 6:32:25 AM UTC-8, Zed Martinez wrote:
>>>
>>> Updated my photos with the complete build done (except wrapping the 
>>> bars, it's my couple days of fiddling with fit and dialing it in before 
>>> that). Tim, that Surly Nice Rack just barely fits, but fits it does. Had to 
>>> max out the bracket heights and it just barely caught braze-ons. Can't use 
>>> it on the upper braze-on at the fork end, it'll block QRs, so you have to 
>>> mount it where the fender would go and then mount the fender to the lower 
>>> rack bracket instead. Not a big deal, I've done that on the last two bikes 
>>> that rack lived on too. It's a tight fit at the mid fork ones, so, I 
>>> wrapped them with some tape first to minimize scraping and scuffing, but 
>>> all in all, was actually the easiest time I've ever had installing that 
>>> rack.
>>>
>>> Got in to work this morning and a coworker who admires Riv bikes and has 
>>> been waiting to see mine caught me at the door and insisted on getting my 
>>> photo with it. It's a nice looking rig all built up, but it'll take me a 
>>> couple more rides to get used to how it rides. With the albastache I have 
>>> about the same lean to the bars I did on my 650b Rivenfried mid-80's Fuji 
>>> this replaces, except the bars are like 5" higher up. My body is confused 
>>> because half of it's like my previous build and half is like my 3-speed 
>>> roadster. Rides pretty well

[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne Frame Size 55 (Blue/Cream) - LIKE NEW - (frame/fork/headset/BB/seat post)

What is your PBH?  Is it lower than their recommended minimum of 83cm?  Is 
the standover problem that you can't standover it at all?  Or is it that 
you have less clearance than you are used to?  These 6 degree sloping bikes 
may just have less clearance than you are used to.  Maybe you should give 
more of a build a shot?  It's up to you o

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 10:26:09 AM UTC-8, RDS wrote:
>
> The next size down really wouldn't work either.  It's like I need the 
> length of the bigger size, but the standover clearance of the smaller 
> size.  So, it's a perfect storm kind of thing ha ha.  I'll probably try and 
> catch a Clem on special or maybe get in on the next round of Clem's.
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 11:21:06 AM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Bummer it didn't fit. Have you considered trading for one in your size? 
>> Could be another person out there looking for a 55. Best of luck in 
>> resolving it.
>
>

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