[RBW] Night time ride to Burger King

[WETH]

I enjoyed reading about the ride and agree that short rides can be as 
satisfying as longer ones.  Glad you were able to get out and make it happen.  

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[RBW] Re: Rivs in the UK

[Evan E.]

Stephen,

If you make the (long) trip to the Bay Area, let us know in advance of your 
arrival. I think many Riv riders (and Riv fans) would welcome you--and 
maybe even accompany you on your Riv test rides, if you would like.

Evan E.
SF, CA


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[RBW] Re: Hunq Effective TT

[Daniel Jackson]

Fascinating. I can only assume my phone call prompted the revision. These new 
drawings do not jive with the previously posted (as of yesterday) geometry 
tables, nor do they jive with Kevin's answer to my question. He said ETT of the 
58 was 60. These drawings say it's 2 cm longer. 

Now, who knows. The Truth Is Out There. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clemmin' Around

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

>
> On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 12:09:08 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:  
> Those stem shifters that you are holding up against the stem?  You are 
> holding them up backwards.  Turn them around the right way and you'll see 
> they won't interfere.
>

Unfortunately, though I would like it to be the case,  it is not. And 
without moving the stems, or seeing a photo where they are not parallel, it 
would be easy to assume that they go the other way, but the shifters are 
oriented correctly in the photos I posted above. (See photos below. 
Remember the part where I said I have installed shifters before?;^)

As for "perfectly lined up", I'm not sure what that means. In my 
experience, unless a frame or der. mech is bent, setting up a friction 
shift system is a pretty straightforward operation having to do with cable 
tension.

That said, in my case there may be one wild card--my original Clem was 
damaged in shipping and had to be returned. I took off all the parts and 
re-installed. (I took the entire bar with brakes and shifters off, simply 
re-hooked up all the cables.) Aside from now having a complete build that 
sports the fancy cream details, I suppose there is a possibility the rear 
derailleur was damaged (the frame damage was in the rear triangle). 
However, I discounted that because it actually shifts into all the gears, 
and rides there okay for a bit. And also, a number of other RBW list 
members have been reporting a similar experience. However, because I would 
like to keep this setup, and I happen to have a brand new Altus "in stock," 
for a future project, I may do a quick switch and see if that makes a 
difference. 




 



 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Clemmin' Around

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

"Haptic" -- great word that I didn't know.



> On Feb 2, 2016, at 9:54 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>> On 02/02/2016 09:14 PM, Tim Wood wrote:
>> Now this may offend some, and call me new school, but I don't really 
>> understand the benefit of friction shifting in the rear. What is the point 
>> of being able to trim the rear derailer? it's either in line or not in line 
>> and when it's not in line it runs like crap.  I know it's all personal 
>> preference and no one way is the right way, but I'll take a well tuned index 
>> system any day. I don't want to have to think about or customize rear 
>> derailer alignment. Front shifting on the other hand I love having the 
>> ability to smoothly move the derailer along its plane to prevent chain rub.
> Benefits:
>
> 1) it's difficult if not outright impossible to find new 7 speed indexing 
> shifters these days, but 7 speed setups are very good. Ratios are excellent, 
> parts are very durable and they're cheap.  If you want to run 7 speed, 
> friction shifting is an excellent option, and perhaps your only choice.
>
> 2) You can run pretty much any derailleurs you like.  Fancy running 
> Campagnolo?  Sure, why not.
>
> 3) It's a skill.  There's a certain amount of pleasure in exercising that 
> skill and keeping it current.
>
> 4) Even besides the skill, there's a certain haptic pleasure in using at 
> least some friction shifters.  I find using the Sun Tour Sprint/Silver 
> shifter set up as a barcon positively delightful.
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[RBW] Re: Night time ride to Burger King

[Ron Mc]

Thanks for the post - you were outfitted properly.  Sorry you didn't have a 
better destination - a tacqueria, Thai noodles or something better.  It's 
also cool to see my surname as a place name - Dalriata was far away and 
long ago.  

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[RBW] Re: FS: merino wool items

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

one more bump before i send these off to ebay. i can make a package deal on 
shipping multiple items. i bought all the items from rivendell, planned to 
use them, but just havent much and i want other rivendell stuff instead. 
upon inspection it looks like i had the prices for the long sleve and the 
short sleeve backwards, so that is fixed now as well.

On Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 8:46:28 PM UTC-5, joe kelly wrote:
>
> hi 
> i am selling the following items:
> -MUSA long sleeve merino wool t shirt in slate blue size large. i wore 
> this a few times but i dont like the color. size large but fits tight. has 
> a small hole near belly button area. 20
> -Merino Skins mens XL short sleeve 100% merino t-shirt. black. worn a 
> couple times. 30
> -Merino Skins mens XL long sleeve 100% merino wool t-shirt. black. also 
> worn only a couple of times. 35
> -Merino Skins mens L long johns. only worn a couple of times. black. 30
> -MUSA railroad shirt L. this is from the original run, it looks like a 
> chambray shirt. new never worn. i bought one and liked it so much i bought 
> two more but i only alternated between two and never wore this one. i cant 
> currently fit in this size so off if goes. these are really nice shirts.  90
>
> all items have been through washer and dryer cycle (except railroad shirt, 
> its brand new), so expect them to have already shrunk as much as they 
> normally would. the merino skins shirts and the musa shirt are cut tight 
> fit like a jersey and not cut for overweight figures. long johns fit 
> normal, maybe even a touch baggy.  Railroad shirt fits normal.
> all prices include shipping
> feel free to ask questions and for pics
> thanks
> joe kelly
> columbus ohio
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: merino wool items

['joe kelly' via RBW Owners Bunch]

meant to put railroad shirt at 60 bucks. forgot to, sorry
thanks
joe

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 3:19:27 PM UTC-5, joe kelly wrote:
>
> one more bump before i send these off to ebay. i can make a package deal 
> on shipping multiple items. i bought all the items from rivendell, planned 
> to use them, but just havent much and i want other rivendell stuff instead. 
> upon inspection it looks like i had the prices for the long sleve and the 
> short sleeve backwards, so that is fixed now as well.
>
> On Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 8:46:28 PM UTC-5, joe kelly wrote:
>>
>> hi 
>> i am selling the following items:
>> -MUSA long sleeve merino wool t shirt in slate blue size large. i wore 
>> this a few times but i dont like the color. size large but fits tight. has 
>> a small hole near belly button area. 20
>> -Merino Skins mens XL short sleeve 100% merino t-shirt. black. worn a 
>> couple times. 30
>> -Merino Skins mens XL long sleeve 100% merino wool t-shirt. black. also 
>> worn only a couple of times. 35
>> -Merino Skins mens L long johns. only worn a couple of times. black. 30
>> -MUSA railroad shirt L. this is from the original run, it looks like a 
>> chambray shirt. new never worn. i bought one and liked it so much i bought 
>> two more but i only alternated between two and never wore this one. i cant 
>> currently fit in this size so off if goes. these are really nice shirts.  90
>>
>> all items have been through washer and dryer cycle (except railroad 
>> shirt, its brand new), so expect them to have already shrunk as much as 
>> they normally would. the merino skins shirts and the musa shirt are cut 
>> tight fit like a jersey and not cut for overweight figures. long johns fit 
>> normal, maybe even a touch baggy.  Railroad shirt fits normal.
>> all prices include shipping
>> feel free to ask questions and for pics
>> thanks
>> joe kelly
>> columbus ohio
>>
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Albatross vs Choco bar (A photo comparison)

[Casey McMann]

The Bar on Bar shot is the Albastache not the Albatross. So yeah, it is 
totally wider.

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 12:06:14 PM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
>
>   Comparing bars on top of each other can be really deceptive !  Slight 
> changes in camera angle can make things appear different than they really 
> are. Notice in the bar on bar photo how much wider the Alba *appears* , 
> when they are in fact the same width.  Even in person, I've put 2 Alba 
> bars(55 and 56) on top of each other to compare and basically, it's an 
> exercise in utter futility !   Yes, they're different and yes they are 
> alike. 
>
>The individual photos of each mounted is a closer comparison, but they 
> are not from exactly the same perspective so even they are off a bit. 2 
> photos of some bars mounted on the same stem and with bars at the same 
> angle and from the same perspective would be good, but only from that given 
> perspective. As the perspective changes so will the bars seem different , 
> but in a like way !  HaH  !
>
>   I'm not knocking the effort here by Casey in any way either. I'm just 
> saying what I said, that single paned images of multidimensional forms can 
> be really really tricky !  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clemmin' Around

[Bill Lindsay]

"Unfortunately, though I would like it to be the case,  it is not. And 
without moving the stems, or seeing a photo where they are not parallel, it 
would be easy to assume that they go the other way, but the shifters are 
oriented correctly in the photos I posted above. (See photos below. 
Remember the part where I said I have installed shifters before?;^)"

My apologies.  I was unaware that Suntour made different models in 
different orientations.  I was only familiar with the bikes I assembled at 
the bike shop in the mid 1980s.  All of those had that single phillips head 
screw that tightens the clamp facing the rider.  The way you have it, it's 
flipped around, facing down the road.  Googling "suntour stem shifters" you 
can see examples of both orientations.  Most of them are the way I'm 
familiar with, but undoubtedly some are flipped around, like yours.  That's 
why it looks backwards to me.  I can't think of a reason why Suntour would 
make some models with the clamp one way and other models with the clamp 
flipped around.  Maybe the clamp part is symmetric and you can remove the 
shifters+flip the clamp+ put the shifters back on.  

"As for "perfectly lined up", I'm not sure what that means. In my 
experience, unless a frame or der. mech is bent, setting up a friction 
shift system is a pretty straightforward operation having to do with cable 
tension."

What I mean by "perfectly lined up" is that you are an experienced rider.  
You know how to shift.  You know when you've shifted correctly to the right 
gear.  If the shifter fails to hold the derailer in that position by 
slipping or drifting, then the shifter should be fixed or replaced.  If on 
the other hand, the shifter succeeds in holding the derailer in the correct 
position, but you still get grinding or skipping or other drivetrain noise, 
then you've got a drivetrain problem.  Steve correctly pointed out to look 
for a stiff link in your chain, which would cause a clunk and a skip every 
three or four pedal revolutions.  If there's a hanging chain pin sticking 
out from the factory or from your rebuild, that could also skip and clunk 
as it comes around.  Something isn't right.  The symptoms are 
unacceptable.  You do everything right from a rider's perspective as a very 
experienced and your bike doesn't work.  I'd be happy to diagnose it for 
you, but I think you are in the East and I'm in Calfornia.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 4:35:40 AM UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 12:09:08 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:  
>> Those stem shifters that you are holding up against the stem?  You are 
>> holding them up backwards.  Turn them around the right way and you'll see 
>> they won't interfere.
>>
>
> Unfortunately, though I would like it to be the case,  it is not. And 
> without moving the stems, or seeing a photo where they are not parallel, it 
> would be easy to assume that they go the other way, but the shifters are 
> oriented correctly in the photos I posted above. (See photos below. 
> Remember the part where I said I have installed shifters before?;^)
>
> As for "perfectly lined up", I'm not sure what that means. In my 
> experience, unless a frame or der. mech is bent, setting up a friction 
> shift system is a pretty straightforward operation having to do with cable 
> tension.
>
> That said, in my case there may be one wild card--my original Clem was 
> damaged in shipping and had to be returned. I took off all the parts and 
> re-installed. (I took the entire bar with brakes and shifters off, simply 
> re-hooked up all the cables.) Aside from now having a complete build that 
> sports the fancy cream details, I suppose there is a possibility the rear 
> derailleur was damaged (the frame damage was in the rear triangle). 
> However, I discounted that because it actually shifts into all the gears, 
> and rides there okay for a bit. And also, a number of other RBW list 
> members have been reporting a similar experience. However, because I would 
> like to keep this setup, and I happen to have a brand new Altus "in stock," 
> for a future project, I may do a quick switch and see if that makes a 
> difference. 
>
>
>
>
> 
>  
> 
>
>
> 
>  
> 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clemmin' Around

[El Sapo]

Bill, thank you for the breakdown. My points of comparison are very limited, 
mainly 5-6 speed shifters on 80's mountain bikes. So I really appreciate the 
time you took to explain the Clem setup. I'm not going to change to a barcon. I 
like the set up how it is. l will look at the other options you suggested. 

It is a great bike. 

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[RBW] Re: Albatross vs Choco bar (A photo comparison)

[Garth]

   
Casey, the Albastache is 55.5cm wide, the Alba and the Choco are 55cm.  The 
sweep angles of the Alba and Choco are the also same .  The difference 
between the bars is the drop and forward extension, the Choco being less in 
each. It is as Riv says "the Alba with a few tweaks" . 

Your third photo in your first post , with just the 2 bare bars pretty much 
depicts this !  Well done ! 

There is a flickr image of Riv bars superimposed on each other, I suspect 
this will be added soon. 

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 5:02:23 PM UTC-5, Casey McMann wrote:
>
> The Bar on Bar shot is the Albastache not the Albatross. So yeah, it is 
> totally wider.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: OT slightly: DCBR: DC Bike Ride May 22, 2016

[Tom M]

My wife and I are strongly considering it. We'll be on our Cannonade 
Tandem, which is way off-topic. Hard to imagine DC without cars. Should be 
fun.
--Tom

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 1:04:57 PM UTC-5, WETH wrote:
>
> http://dcbikeride.com/?utm_source=WABA_medium=email_campaign=WABA
>
> http://www.waba.org/blog/2016/02/announcing-dc-bike-ride-lets-celebrate-life-on-two-wheels/
>
> This organized ride seems similar to the former BikeDC event organized by 
> WABA.  
> This ride is a 17 mile car free experience around the mall, through 
> Georgetown, and out toward the Pentagon.   
> It would be fun to get a group together if others are interested.
> -Erl
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clemmin' Around

[Joe Bernard]

The Suntour Way, think of every possible combination for a bike part, then 
present them to the chairman: "Make all of them."

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[RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

[reynoldslugs]

p.s., that is a great looking Roadeo.  I have one with a similar paint job:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157625377490164

they are just terrific bikes.

Max

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clemmin' Around

[Bill Lindsay]

"My apologies.  I was unaware that Suntour made different models in 
different orientations."

Sure enough.  I did a little more research and Suntour did in fact 
manufacture them both ways, and the housing stops are inextricably part of 
the clamp, so they are not reversible.  Bummer

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[RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

[reynoldslugs]

A kinder, gentler roadeo alternative to Joan Crawford -  for those that 
love their damned old Roadeos.
 

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0anqjYUD0D0
>

you can ride 'em down the toughest road you know.

(for the record, I'm gonna be able to use that Mommie Dearest clip..._

Rodeo Max
Santa Rosa
 

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[RBW] "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

[Chad]

I just got my 53 Roadeo from Riv today.  Happy to hear the 38 Gravel Grinder 
tires fit. How do you like them? I was planning on running a Jack Brown or 35c 
tire for mixed terrain/gravel.  I've heard good things about the Clement XPlor 
USH and should fit the Roadeo.

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[RBW] Re: OT slightly: DCBR: DC Bike Ride May 22, 2016

[WETH]

Tom,
A tandem sounds like a great choice for this ride.  I rode The BikeDC event in 
2002/2003(can't remember exact year).  Route highlights included Freedom Plaza, 
out and back on a portion of the GW Parkway, around RFK Stadium, and across the 
Sousa Bridge.  The only negative were the number of participants.  I rode with 
three friends and it was a challenge at times to stay together.  A tandem would 
eliminate that issue for you and your wife.
All the best,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: Hunq Effective TT

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Here's a 54cm Hunqapillar with 50mm tires.  It's pretty darn accurate 
except for tube diameters and the amount of seat-tube and head-tube 
protruding above the top-tube.  







On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 7:49:24 PM UTC-6, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> Is the Hunqapillar one that's getting re-designed?  If so, I wonder if 
> these are the old Hunq's or the new ones?  I just rushed to input these 
> good numbers into BikeCad and I really like what I see, as far as BB 
> height, trail, toe overlap and reach.  
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 11:00:51 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>>
>> Now that's how to do a geometry chart !  
>>
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[RBW] Re: Albatross vs Choco bar (A photo comparison)

[Casey McMann]

The Choco bars have more sweep, actually.

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[RBW] Re: favorite mixed terrain tires, winter edition

[Sarah Swallow]

Hi All, 

I saw this thread and figured I'd comment... I used the Rock 'N' Roads on 
my cross country ride along the Trans America Dirt Road Trail 
 
this past fall (5,000 miles, approximately 80% dirt and 20% paved). We used 
the Rock 'N' Roads for their all-around ability. Smooth enough on the road, 
grippy enough off road. We also run the 700's tubeless and find that they 
fit and run really well that way (I did not get one flat all the way across 
the country). Over 5,000 miles we went through 3 rear tires and 2 fronts on 
fully loaded bikes, just to give you an idea of how long they lasted for 
us. We probably replaced our rear tires earlier than necessary, but that's 
when we had shipped the tires to ourselves along the route. I personally 
have always thought that the Rock 'N' Road tires buzz a lot less than most 
tires in their class.

Here is a little more about the trip...

Bikepacking.com
- http://www.bikepacking.com/plog/trans-america-trail-tat-1500-mile-update/
- http://www.bikepacking.com/plog/trans-america-trail-tat-high-elevation/
- http://www.bikepacking.com/plog/trans-america-trail-high-desert/
- http://www.bikepacking.com/plog/trans-america-trail-end-of-an-odyssey/
- http://www.bikepacking.com/bikes/specialized-awol-review/

Path Less Pedaled Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxsgfBgUZOI

*Disclaimer! I now operate a bicycle shop 
 that shares space with Bruce Gordon 
Cycles ;) *

Ride On!

Sarah Swallow

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On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 at 2:07:45 PM UTC-8, Neil wrote:
>
> OK, I love my Barlow Pass 38s for all manner of off-pave riding in the dry 
> months. But now El Nino is mucking up my game!
>
> It's still fun out there, but I'd like to have a tad more traction in the 
> dirt. But I hate buzzing tires on pavement. What mixed terrain tires do 
> folks like? Tempted to try Rock n Roads, but want to look at options before 
> I drop $$ on expensive shoes for my bike.
>
> 700c, 35+.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Neil
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[RBW] Re: Albatross vs Choco bar (A photo comparison)

[Casey McMann]

Definitely took pictures of the albastache in the wrong place tho. Not a good 
comparison.

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[RBW] Re: FS: soon-to-be-spring cleaning

[Ryan Ray]

Everything sold but the basket.

Chad I apologize for not getting to your questions directly but this stuff had 
to go and was priced accordingly. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I ride my Roadeo with Grand Bois Cypres tires.  I have ridden that on
several miles of fire roads, so it handles fine on dirt too.  I have also
used Schwalbe Kojaks on the bike and they ride nicely too (although the
Grand Bois is more cushy).

Enjoy your bike!!

Toshi


On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Don Compton  wrote:

> What size are you using? As a current Roadeo owner who rides 95% on paved
> roads, 700x28's are my favorite. I have been using Grand Bios Cerfs for
> many years. I tried the new Compass 32's but they felt sluggish to me. I
> guess tires are really a personal choice. For me the Grand Bois and Compass
> tires are definitely a step above the Jack Browns.
> On another note, I hope that Tim will enjoy his Roadeo as much as I have.
> I have had a ton of bikes over the years, and have sold most of them
> because I just feel good riding my Roadeo, no matter the road surface or
> terrain.
> Enjoy
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 6:02:46 PM UTC-8, RJM wrote:
>>
>> I found the Compass Stampede Pass to be a better tire than the Jack
>> Brown. It felt noticeably quicker to me on the same wheelset and I might
>> say more comfortable. I didn't go wider than that though...and really, for
>> the way I ride the Roadeo the thinner tires proved optimal. It's purely a
>> fast road bike for me.
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[RBW] "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

[RJM]

I found the Compass Stampede Pass to be a better tire than the Jack Brown. It 
felt noticeably quicker to me on the same wheelset and I might say more 
comfortable. I didn't go wider than that though...and really, for the way I 
ride the Roadeo the thinner tires proved optimal. It's purely a fast road bike 
for me.

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[RBW] "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

[WETH]

Tim,
What a lovely bike. It's going to look so cool when you are done.  I like that 
color scheme a lot.
-Erl 

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[RBW] Re: Hunq Effective TT

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Is the Hunqapillar one that's getting re-designed?  If so, I wonder if 
these are the old Hunq's or the new ones?  I just rushed to input these 
good numbers into BikeCad and I really like what I see, as far as BB 
height, trail, toe overlap and reach.  


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>
> Now that's how to do a geometry chart !  
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[RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

[Don Compton]

What size are you using? As a current Roadeo owner who rides 95% on paved 
roads, 700x28's are my favorite. I have been using Grand Bios Cerfs for 
many years. I tried the new Compass 32's but they felt sluggish to me. I 
guess tires are really a personal choice. For me the Grand Bois and Compass 
tires are definitely a step above the Jack Browns.
On another note, I hope that Tim will enjoy his Roadeo as much as I have. I 
have had a ton of bikes over the years, and have sold most of them because 
I just feel good riding my Roadeo, no matter the road surface or terrain.
Enjoy

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 6:02:46 PM UTC-8, RJM wrote:
>
> I found the Compass Stampede Pass to be a better tire than the Jack Brown. 
> It felt noticeably quicker to me on the same wheelset and I might say more 
> comfortable. I didn't go wider than that though...and really, for the way I 
> ride the Roadeo the thinner tires proved optimal. It's purely a fast road 
> bike for me.

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[RBW] Mountain-style brake lever with 23.8mm clamp?

[BCDrums]

I am using A Nitto moustache bar and I'd like to use mountain-style levers 
similar to the Tektro RL720 Cross Brake lever. Does anyone have a 
recommendation? That lever is described as an interrupter. Can it be used as a 
standalone lever? Thanks. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clemmin' Around

[Zed Martinez]

>
> I'm still searching for the perfect 650b Clem tires. Saw someone call 
> themselves the Emelda Marcos of bike tires and I could easily go that 
> direction. I'm back to thinking something in the 38-40 range but nicer than 
> the stock Kendra's. Compass, Kojack, Pari Moto? Anything you reccomend for 
> paved trail.


I've tried Soma's New Xpress (38mm) which were my daily tires for 8 or 9 
months of paved commuting, and the Compass Switchback Hill standards (48mm) 
on my Clem. The Somas are fast and cushy enough for sure, and that Hypertex 
stuff proved really good at flat resistance. The only flat I had the entire 
time with them was when I hit a submerged pothole and exploded a tube. The 
tire was just fine. They don't corner the best though. I have one twistier 
paved trail I ride a lot along a creek that's often damp and covered in 
small sticks and such, and they're not the most confidence inspiring 
through some stretches. The Compass tires are excellent. Equally as fast, 
notably cushier. And the cornering between that tread design and fatness is 
among the best I've ever felt in my admittedly limited tire experience. 
Hardy they ain't though, I've already has two flats from small glass shards 
the Somas apparently ignored, since they were all on the same routes and I 
promise they don't get swept off often. I was running them with some 
rhinodillo liners before the snow came, and while I'm sure some are balking 
at the notion, they didn't ride notably differently with the liners. I've 
also never had the problems some have with liners though, and back when I 
switched to full-time commuting they ended up being a real life saver one 
week when I'd already had 4 flats and couldn't afford the Gatorskins the 
LBS recommended. So, anyway, I'm the sorta weirdo who put tire liners in 
Compass tires, but I swear it works pretty well. They still ride better 
than the Somas, and the Somas were what finally got me to just swear off 
cheaper block profile tires entirely. They were revelationary for me, and 
the Compass are that much better. I am curious how some of the new Schwalbe 
options are though, the Marathon Supreme looks more like my sorta bag than 
their other tires I've used have been, though, I also have tire liners in 
Schwalbes with "puncture resistant" strips because I got main tread 
punctures anyway, so, they might have to have some unexpectedly nice rides 
before I go back that way just for the durability over other options.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clemmin' Around

[El Sapo]

I'm still searching for the perfect 650b Clem tires. Saw someone call 
themselves the Emelda Marcos of bike tires and I could easily go that 
direction. I'm back to thinking something in the 38-40 range but nicer than the 
stock Kendra's. Compass, Kojack, Pari Moto? Anything you reccomend for paved 
trail.

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[RBW] "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

[Tim Wood]

Wow! Congrats on the new bike Tim, it's beautiful. Definitely my favourite Riv 
color combo. The more I look at roadeos the more I want to sell my 15lb carbon 
race bike and buy one - and since I got my Clem it just hangs in the garage 
collecting dust anyway.  I had my heart set on a boulder all road or an ocean 
air rambler 650 rig for my "go fast" but hearing that the roadeo fits 38s has 
peaked my interest. Your fit and saddle height look bang on there, what is your 
pbh?

Tim

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[RBW] FS: Riv-ish Parts

[Eric Norris]

Two items still left, now reduced in price (including shipping in the CONUS):

Nitto Noodle Bars, 26.0 clamp diameter, 46Cm width $45

Soma seatpost, 27.2 diameter, extra long, with insertion marks $20

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Re: [RBW] Grocery Run

[Patrick Moore]

Looks and sounds idyllic!

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Minus 9˚F heading out, warmed up to zero by the time I returned. Ten
> miles. I love this stuff!
> https://medium.com/@DeaconPatrick/grocery-run-5dda6d0d2baa#.4scfmxxaa
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> With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Nitto Lamp Holder No. 6 (aka Nitto Screw Mount LEFT)

[lukeheller]

David tested the rivnut on the Soma champs elysses rack for me and the 
flattened portion if the stay is too wide for the nut.

Thanks your time and help, David.

The search continues for good mounting solutions of the Luxos U to a front 
rack

On Monday, February 1, 2016 at 3:53:54 PM UTC-5, Zach Duval wrote:
>
> I decided to go with the right-side Nitto mount (#6), and it works great 
> with my Nitto rack.

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[RBW] Re: OT: questions about multiple computer screens

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for all youse's advice. I am now typing on a new 15" Macbook Pro
(well , new to me, refurbished) while listening to music on Youtube on a
28" Samsung monitor, after having traded my Macbook Pro 17" in part trade
for my daughter's new Macbook Air (her 2008 white Mac was getting pretty
bad).

The Samsung will let me get at least 4 open documents in readable size, and
the screens on the new Macs are astounding in their quality.

Thanks again.

Patrick

On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I probably should have answered this question long ago, but tell me, you
> who work a lot on computers, particularly those of you who write: are you
> more productive with 2 or even 3 screens than with 1? I assume a situation
> where you refer to multiple open documents.
>
> #2: if yes, would the advantage in your case justify the cost of 2 new
> screens and a new (larger) desk? (I expect to spend at least 2-3K on a good
> desk -- my present armoire desk can't accommodate more than 1 screen.)
>
> #3: Again, if yes: what brands and models would you recommend for decent
> but not necessarily top level 17" screens? This is for fancy word
> processing, not graphics.
>
> Thanks.
>
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[RBW] Grocery Run

[Deacon Patrick]

Minus 9˚F heading out, warmed up to zero by the time I returned. Ten miles. I 
love this stuff!
https://medium.com/@DeaconPatrick/grocery-run-5dda6d0d2baa#.4scfmxxaa

With abandon,
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[RBW] OT slightly: DCBR: DC Bike Ride May 22, 2016

[WETH]

http://dcbikeride.com/?utm_source=WABA_medium=email_campaign=WABA
http://www.waba.org/blog/2016/02/announcing-dc-bike-ride-lets-celebrate-life-on-two-wheels/

This organized ride seems similar to the former BikeDC event organized by 
WABA.  
This ride is a 17 mile car free experience around the mall, through 
Georgetown, and out toward the Pentagon.   
It would be fun to get a group together if others are interested.
-Erl

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[RBW] Re: Night time ride to Burger King

[Deacon Patrick]

Sweet ride! I love riding the back country roads through the ranches round 
here. I agree, I love the smell of wood burning fires, almost as much as I 
loved the smell of peat fires in Scotland. It is amazing to ride through, 
and an experience you don't get in a car.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 11:20:08 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> I decided I needed some time away. So after I got home form work, I 
> figured I'd ride through the snowy, circa 60's rancher home neighborhood of 
> Dunloggin to the local Burger King for dinner, and back home.
> I was looking forward to a nice leisurely, lazy downhill ride back home 
> along MacAlpine Road, where it just goes down, down, down for a while.
>
> I don't like winter weather but it sure was beautiful riding through those 
> snow covered lawns among those ranchers of yesteryear. The one thing I like 
> about winter is the smell of burning firewood and I got a nice long, full, 
> pungent, waft of it as I rode along. The scenery was beautiful with all 
> those big lawns and ranchers on those lazy, winding roads.
>
> Pics don't so it justice but you can see a small glimpse of it. Probably 
> have to click on it to get it big enough to be bright enough to see 
> anything. I took my Blue Sam with Noodles and Berthoud bag. Locked it up in 
> sight of my table, had fun munching away, and then a peaceful and 
> gratifying ride home through the crisp air. MUSA pants, full long johns, 
> dress shirt, Nike sneakers, and J rainjacket made for a comfy ride. Wool 
> cap under helmet. Short trips can be so much fun.
>

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[RBW] Re: OT slightly: DCBR: DC Bike Ride May 22, 2016

[WETH]

Apologies for assuming all might realize DC is Washington, DC!

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 1:04:57 PM UTC-5, WETH wrote:
>
> http://dcbikeride.com/?utm_source=WABA_medium=email_campaign=WABA
>
> http://www.waba.org/blog/2016/02/announcing-dc-bike-ride-lets-celebrate-life-on-two-wheels/
>
> This organized ride seems similar to the former BikeDC event organized by 
> WABA.  
> This ride is a 17 mile car free experience around the mall, through 
> Georgetown, and out toward the Pentagon.   
> It would be fun to get a group together if others are interested.
> -Erl
>

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[RBW] Re: OT slightly: DCBR: DC Bike Ride May 22, 2016

[Deacon Patrick]

Here I thought DC was the District of Colombia. Now I'm all confused. 
Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Mountain-style brake lever with 23.8mm clamp?

[Garth]

Yes you can use them alone ! 


On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 11:27:23 AM UTC-5, BCDrums wrote:
>
> I am using A Nitto moustache bar and I'd like to use mountain-style levers 
> similar to the Tektro RL720 Cross Brake lever.  Can it be used as a 
> standalone lever? Thanks. 

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[RBW] Re: Hunq Effective TT

[Garth]

Now that's how to do a geometry chart !  

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[RBW] WTT - B17 Champion Special for Cambium C17

[Gary]

Greetings all,

I have a B17 - honey colored with copper rails - that's in excellent 
condition that I'm looking to trade for a Cambium C17 in similar condition 
(any color but "natural"). If anyone's interested, please let me know! Pics 
available if interested.

Thanks,
Gary

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[RBW] Re: Albatross vs Choco bar (A photo comparison)

[Garth]

  Comparing bars on top of each other can be really deceptive !  Slight 
changes in camera angle can make things appear different than they really 
are. Notice in the bar on bar photo how much wider the Alba *appears* , 
when they are in fact the same width.  Even in person, I've put 2 Alba 
bars(55 and 56) on top of each other to compare and basically, it's an 
exercise in utter futility !   Yes, they're different and yes they are 
alike. 

   The individual photos of each mounted is a closer comparison, but they 
are not from exactly the same perspective so even they are off a bit. 2 
photos of some bars mounted on the same stem and with bars at the same 
angle and from the same perspective would be good, but only from that given 
perspective. As the perspective changes so will the bars seem different , 
but in a like way !  HaH  !

  I'm not knocking the effort here by Casey in any way either. I'm just 
saying what I said, that single paned images of multidimensional forms can 
be really really tricky !  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clemmin' Around

[Zed Martinez]

Definitely add the Soma New Xpress to your list to look at, then. Made by 
Panaracer with their Palsea tread, gumwalls. They're pretty darn light for 
tough tires, and the kevlar alternative casing rode better than any 
Schwalbe I have tried and was definitely not prone to picking up flats. 
They're 38mms, and I wish they came in bigger sizes (I'm right about there 
with you in weight, more with my Clem loaded up as it usually is, but I got 
25mm rims so, fatter makes more sense on mine anyway).

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 1:36:59 PM UTC-5, El Sapo wrote:
>
> I don't encounter much road debris. Some thorns, I did get a flat on a Big 
> Apple on one bike. I have the marathon supremes on 2 other bikes and they 
> have never flatted. The Big Apples roll better. Cushier. Since my 52 Clem 
> has 18mm wide rim I didn't want to go too wide of a tire. I weigh 190, and 
> 1 1/2, 38 should be OK. There is a Schwalbe Almotion coming out that 
> interests me, It's a 2" tire. I rode the Big Ones a couple of times. They 
> were fast as hell and light. I'm looking to get something more durable that 
> will be light and fast in a narrower tire.  

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[RBW] Re: FS: four Arkel panniers

[Michael Hechmer]

We use the T28s on the front of our tandem and on the rear of Pat's Betty. 
 They are really nice panniers.

Michael

On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 11:07:51 PM UTC-5, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote:
>
> Arkel panniers
>
> Hi, all.
>
> For sale is a set of Arkel panniers, purchased between 7-8 years ago. The 
> set comprises two T-28 "front" panniers and two T-42 rear panniers.
>
> All four panniers are black. All are in great shape. Pictures are here:
>
> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0NGPCdxkGOtsxq
>
> Priced as below, including shipping to contiguous US.
>
> one T-28 - $65
> one T-42 - $75
>
> OR
>
> both T-28s - $115
> both T-42s - $135
>
> OR
>
> both T-28s and both T-42s - $230
>
> Like most nominally front panniers the T-28s can work in front or rear. 
> The T-42s are not massive but they're big enough that I can't think of a 
> situation where I'd use them in front, even if I had a rack that they fit.
>
> Reply-to-author if interested. PayPal accepted.
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
>
>

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[RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

[Nick Ybarra]

Short answer to your question: yup!  

Also, looks great.  Congrats on the new bike!

I used to have a Giordana XL-Super.  Rode great, loved that bike, 
definitely regret selling it.

Nick in ATX

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 12:51:22 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> I received the 59 cm Roadeo frame from Dave N. yesterday.  It's gorgeous!  
> I had it shipped to my friends' bike shop  
> and they were all drooling over it.
>
>
> ​It's not my first Rivendell roadie (I also have a Rivendell Road 
> Standard, converted to a 650b tourer), but it's "my first Roadeo 
> " (warning, nasty language 
> in that video clip--from *Mommie Dearest*).
>
>   
> I'm equipping the Roadeo with a Sachs New Success 2x8 Ergopower gruppo I 
> had on my Giordana XL-Eco.  That frame rides sweet (definitely "planing") 
> and is very light, but it is a 57 (a little small for me) and only cleared 
> 700 x 26 tires (quite skinny for me).
>
> Preliminary build, awaiting proper BB, FD clamp, Brooks bar tape:
>
> It fits 700 x 38 tires (Challenge Gravel Grinders pictured) with about 3 
> mm clearance at the brake caliper.
>
>
> *A question on chainline:*  
> The crank sits too close on the 107 mm BB spindle.  The rings do clear the 
> chainstay (barely), but the chain line measures at 40-41 mm.  The standard 
> chainline for a road double is 43.5, according to St. Sheldon 
> .  
>
> If I replace the 107 mm BB with a 113 mm BB, that will move each side 
> outboard by 3 mm, correct?  I need 3 more mm to make the chainline correct.
>
> (I would use the BB from the Giordana, but it has an Italian threaded 
> shell).
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tim Gavin
> Cedar Rapids, IA
>

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[RBW] Re: "My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

[RJM]

That sounds like it will worknice Roadeo. 

>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clemmin' Around

[El Sapo]

I don't encounter much road debris. Some thorns, I did get a flat on a Big 
Apple on one bike. I have the marathon supremes on 2 other bikes and they have 
never flatted. The Big Apples roll better. Cushier. Since my 52 Clem has 18mm 
wide rim I didn't want to go too wide of a tire. I weigh 190, and 1 1/2, 38 
should be OK. There is a Schwalbe Almotion coming out that interests me, It's a 
2" tire. I rode the Big Ones a couple of times. They were fast as hell and 
light. I'm looking to get something more durable that will be light and fast in 
a narrower tire.  

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