[RBW] Re: 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

[Michael Hechmer]

That's a long way to go with a bike outside of a car.  What kind of car? 
 What kind of rack?  What kind of roads?  I have found that on a hatchback 
design, like our Prius, the hitch rack creates as much aerodynamic drag as 
a roof rack, and the bikes get pretty dirty.  So for that long of a trip I 
prefer to carry the bike inside.  I suspect however that there is more risk 
of scratching a frame inside than outside.  I've owned a number of racks 
and currently use the 1UpUSA, which rests the bike on the wheels and holds 
it by the tires or fenders.  It works great but if I were to use i on an 
all day trip, I would remove the chain and cover the saddle tightly. 
 Finally what kind of roads?  If you will be doing a lot of back roads or 
dirt roads, that will put a lot of stress on the hitch and even the car 
suspension will generate a lot of vertical movement of the load.

Michael
  

On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 7:02:17 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Provided their are no accidents of course, will driving 2,000 miles with 
> the Sam on the trunk rack, hanging from the top tube, damage the bike in 
> any way?
>
> I was thinking of putting the Sam in the trunk, but the pedal/crank will 
> bear all the weight/vibration during the trip, being pinned to the car 
> floor under the weight of the bike. Not sure if 30 hours of that is ok for 
> the arm/bb/pedal.
>
> Maybe I'm just being neurotic and overthinking this.
>
> I know, I know, someone here will say "just ride there on the bike!"
>
> But the timing of when I need to leave work and get back to work and need 
> to get to my destination doesn't allow it.
>
> What has been your experience?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe

[Ron Mc]

Saw this one on the latest Blug 

I really, really, really don't get 40t rear cogs.  

Biggest one around my house is a 32, and I could get by with 29 forever

  


  


25 68.0 %42
2923.6 39.6
20.8 %
2428.5 47.8
14.3 %
2132.5 54.6
16.7 %
1837.9 63.7
12.5 %
1642.7 71.7
6.7 %
1545.5 76.5
7.1 %
1448.8 82.0
7.7 %
1352.5 88.3
8.3 %
1256.9 95.6
I also really like the Roscoe Bubble idea, and will be anxiously awaiting 
the cavalcade

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe

[Lungimsam]

I can see 40t, 11 speed for a 1x.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe

[Ron Mc]

I don't get 11sp, either.  Adding, weight, complexity and bad chain-line.  

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>
> I can see 40t, 11 speed for a 1x.

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[RBW] Re: OT slightly: DCBR: DC Bike Ride May 22, 2016

[KenP]

I'm looking forward to it; Hope to see some fellow Riv riders.  Plan to 
bring the Saluki.

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 1:04:57 PM UTC-5, WETH wrote:
>
> http://dcbikeride.com/?utm_source=WABA_medium=email_campaign=WABA
>
> http://www.waba.org/blog/2016/02/announcing-dc-bike-ride-lets-celebrate-life-on-two-wheels/
>
> This organized ride seems similar to the former BikeDC event organized by 
> WABA.  
> This ride is a 17 mile car free experience around the mall, through 
> Georgetown, and out toward the Pentagon.   
> It would be fun to get a group together if others are interested.
> -Erl
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[RBW] FS: New Brooks B68s saddle - black

[Jeff Bogdanovich]

I bought this for my significant other who rode it around the block and 
declared it "too slippery" so now it is for sale. Mounted once, used as 
described and indistinguishable from new. Asking $95 shipped.

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[RBW] Re: 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Carrying a bike on a trunk rack is unnerving to me, although I once carried 
a bike on a week long vacation that was probably 2000 miles.  

My advice would be to get a bunch of bungee cords and strap it down so 
tight that it's like a solid fixture.  Strap the front wheel/fork so the 
fork doesn't turn and the wheel doesn't spin. Once you get up to speed, any 
looseness in the bike will begin to move and you'll spend the whole drive 
looking in your rear-view mirror.  The two straps built into the carrier 
are only good for short, slow-speed trips.  



On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 6:02:17 PM UTC-6, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Provided their are no accidents of course, will driving 2,000 miles with 
> the Sam on the trunk rack, hanging from the top tube, damage the bike in 
> any way?
>
> I was thinking of putting the Sam in the trunk, but the pedal/crank will 
> bear all the weight/vibration during the trip, being pinned to the car 
> floor under the weight of the bike. Not sure if 30 hours of that is ok for 
> the arm/bb/pedal.
>
> Maybe I'm just being neurotic and overthinking this.
>
> I know, I know, someone here will say "just ride there on the bike!"
>
> But the timing of when I need to leave work and get back to work and need 
> to get to my destination doesn't allow it.
>
> What has been your experience?
>

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[RBW] Re: 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

[Lungimsam]

 Its a Saris Bones 3. Very nice and strong.
I have done a lot of partial commutes with trunk racks and never noticed 
paint rubbing off.

But it does sound better laying it in the trunk, just to keep it from 
getting road crud blasted at it for 30 hours. That can't be good.

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[RBW] Re: OT slightly: DCBR: DC Bike Ride May 22, 2016

[Lungimsam]

I have to work that weekend. Too bad. That would be fun to ride in a 
Riv-group and take in the sights. 

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe

[Lungimsam]

Is it pronounced "Boo-bay" or "Buh-Bee"?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/13/2016 08:13 AM, Ron Mc wrote:

I don't get 11sp, either.  Adding, weight, complexity and bad chain-line.


How is the chain line for 11 speed any worse than for 8, 9 or 10?


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Re: [RBW] Re: 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/13/2016 07:37 AM, Michael Hechmer wrote:
I suspect however that there is more risk of scratching a frame inside 
than outside.


My experience is entirely the opposite.


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Re: [RBW] Re: 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

[Justin August]

I've driven across the country to/from the Bay Area 1,2,3,4 times with bikes on 
the back of my car this way. My advice:
Cover or remove your leather saddle/bar tape. It will get dried out faster due 
to wind and sun exposure. 
Make sure your cranks are secured and can't move. 
Remove your pedals to avoid scratches to yourself, multiple bikes or your car 
paint. 
If your rack doesn't have nice rubber landing spots for your bike, put the 
mentioned pipe insulation on it. 
Find a way to securely lock the bike to your car or take it off over night. 

I've never had paint chip in the 4 trips due to the rack. The bike is fairly 
protected from road grime - it will need a wash afterwards though. 

My one caveat would be in Winter on salted roads. Then I'd probably find an 
alternate carrying method due to salt, rocks, moisture. 

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

[Garth]

   Gee wiz , well before the idea of "preservation" aka:fear , I took my 
bikes on thousands of miles with bikes on the back of cars, on top, in the 
trunk and on the back seat. In the back of my pickup too, with a camper 
shell and carpet kit !   Lo and behold, no harm ever came to anyone or 
anything. The elements had no effect when "exposed". (Oh ! the shock and 
horror, the bike might be exposed and the world stop rotating... oh the 
horror !)   HaH ! 

Life is for the Being , and nothing in any way can affect it . 

Try try try as one with might , never a moments day when being is out of 
sight. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/13/2016 10:18 AM, Garth wrote:


   Gee wiz , well before the idea of "preservation" aka:fear , I took 
my bikes on thousands of miles with bikes on the back of cars, on top, 
in the trunk and on the back seat. In the back of my pickup too, with 
a camper shell and carpet kit !   Lo and behold, no harm ever came to 
anyone or anything. 


Not a scratch?  Then you must lead a charmed life.  Either that, or you 
have a very unusual definition of "harm."


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Re: [RBW] 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

[Jim Bronson]

Mine did 4700 miles on trunk rack in 2014.  The biggest worries as others
have mentioned are theft, and making sure that the retention mechanism is
properly set.  The bike can take it fine.
On Feb 12, 2016 6:02 PM, "Lungimsam"  wrote:

> Provided their are no accidents of course, will driving 2,000 miles with
> the Sam on the trunk rack, hanging from the top tube, damage the bike in
> any way?
>
> I was thinking of putting the Sam in the trunk, but the pedal/crank will
> bear all the weight/vibration during the trip, being pinned to the car
> floor under the weight of the bike. Not sure if 30 hours of that is ok for
> the arm/bb/pedal.
>
> Maybe I'm just being neurotic and overthinking this.
>
> I know, I know, someone here will say "just ride there on the bike!"
>
> But the timing of when I need to leave work and get back to work and need
> to get to my destination doesn't allow it.
>
> What has been your experience?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe

[Patrick Moore]

Or even a 1X9 or 1X10. I may go that route myself one day if a derailleur
hangar extension will allow a 9 speed XT rd to accommodate a 40 t cog. A
11-13-15-17-20-23-26-30-40 X 32 might be good for steep singletrack.

On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 6:02 AM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> I can see 40t, 11 speed for a 1x.
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Re: [RBW] 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

[Jim Bronson]

Mine has damaged the car paint much more than the bike paint.  The pedals
tend to contact the paint.  I don't always have time to remove them if I'm
driving to a brevet.
On Feb 12, 2016 9:02 PM, "Steve Palincsar"  wrote:

>
>
> On 02/12/2016 07:02 PM, Lungimsam wrote:
>
>> Provided their are no accidents of course, will driving 2,000 miles with
>> the Sam on the trunk rack, hanging from the top tube, damage the bike in
>> any way?
>>
>
> Odds are good it would damage the paint.  Racks like that are notoriously
> hard on bike paint jobs.
>
>
>
>> I was thinking of putting the Sam in the trunk, but the pedal/crank will
>> bear all the weight/vibration during the trip, being pinned to the car
>> floor under the weight of the bike. Not sure if 30 hours of that is ok for
>> the arm/bb/pedal.
>>
>
> Worst case, if you're worried roll up an old towel and stick it under the
> frame.  But the weight of a frame isn't really very much
>
>
>
>
>
>> Maybe I'm just being neurotic and overthinking this.
>>
>
> You're right.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

[Patrick Moore]

Steve: if you are careful about packing, there is no reason why a bike or
bikes plural in a trunk should be scratched any more than a bike hanging in
your garage. I always carry my bikes inside (which is why I like, in
effect, mini-panel trucks) and keep a movers' quilt in back to pad the bike
as needed.

On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
> On 02/13/2016 10:18 AM, Garth wrote:
>
>>
>>Gee wiz , well before the idea of "preservation" aka:fear , I took my
>> bikes on thousands of miles with bikes on the back of cars, on top, in the
>> trunk and on the back seat. In the back of my pickup too, with a camper
>> shell and carpet kit !   Lo and behold, no harm ever came to anyone or
>> anything.
>>
>
> Not a scratch?  Then you must lead a charmed life.  Either that, or you
> have a very unusual definition of "harm."
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Re: [RBW] Re: 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

[Garth]

Yep !

On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 10:35:03 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Steve: *movers' quilt(s) *

 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/13/2016 10:34 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:
Steve: if you are careful about packing, there is no reason why a bike 
or bikes plural in a trunk should be scratched any more than a bike 
hanging in your garage. I always carry my bikes inside (which is why I 
like, in effect, mini-panel trucks) and keep a movers' quilt in back 
to pad the bike as needed.


Exactly.  However, out on a trunk rack your paint /will/ get damaged.   
It's virtually impossible to avoid it.





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On 02/13/2016 10:18 AM, Garth wrote:


   Gee wiz , well before the idea of "preservation" aka:fear ,
I took my bikes on thousands of miles with bikes on the back
of cars, on top, in the trunk and on the back seat. In the
back of my pickup too, with a camper shell and carpet kit ! 
 Lo and behold, no harm ever came to anyone or anything.



Not a scratch?  Then you must lead a charmed life.  Either that,
or you have a very unusual definition of "harm."



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Re: [RBW] Reviews and/or photos of Big Ben 700c X 55 tires?

[Michael Cinibulk]

Has anyone taken calipers to the TBs? Are most MTB tires their stated width?

Mike C 

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Hub Area racks & their accompanying Sackville bags

[ant ritchey]

Thanks Mark!

You're referring to a previous post on Bill's WTB backabike thread, yes?

Gonna keep fiddling with 'em and probably convince myself that i need to 
buy some tan backabike sackvilles pronto! 

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 10:33:37 AM UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> And P.S. I do use these often with a decent load weight, including grocery 
> shopping and sometimes overstuffing. But nothing they should not be able to 
> handle. And of course it is a snip of the scissor and a quick seal with a 
> match to shorten the replacement straps, which do appear to be much 
> heartier. If they eventually also begin to fray, I will just go with the 
> rope, which should last a very long time with no worries. (And I have extra 
> lengths of the rope, if anyone would like some for their sackville 
> panniers.)
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[RBW] craigslist PSA- 45cm Clem frame in Brooklyn NY

[Kainalu]

Not me, don't know who, but $600 seems like a good deal?  
I wish it were 200,000 micrometers bigger
-Kai
Brooklyn NY

http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/5417334325.html


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[RBW] Re: Thunder Burt Wisdom...

[Michael Cinibulk]

What reading do you get from calipers on width of the 2.1,and 2.25 TBs? Are 
Schwalbes generally true to size on old school MTB rims?

Mike C

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe

[Grant Petersen]

As designers and manufacturers, we like (and have some kind of obligation)
to try things ourselves that may or may not work on our customers' bikes.
We're often asked about parts we haven't tried, and a lot of the time have
no interest in trying---for reasons good or bad, but usually good. Keeping
in mind that, despite the furor we sometimes inspire and the price of our
bikes, we are a small and cash-poor business that can't be all things to
all riders. And, often we have friends who let us try their bikes with
something.

It's not always a matter of "does it work?", because most things do work in
their intended limited applications, and in the right circumstances.

The thing I LIKE about the 40, is that on my Cheviot, at least, it worked
with my $30 much beloved Altus derailer. It required a few more links of
chain--as it turned out, one more than what I put on it when I was thinking
I'd never make the goof of riding the 46 x 40 combo.Sometimes when I'm
feeling super frisky, I climb in the big ring THINKING its the middle ring,
and that's what happened here. Then it got harder or I got tireder, and
shifting up in back and broke it. It's not something I'm ashamed of,
it's just part of life on bikes. It's kind of neat being the guy who owns a
bike company but hasn't gotten beyond doing dumb stuff. It makes me feel
like a kid again, or something.

On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 7:32 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Or even a 1X9 or 1X10. I may go that route myself one day if a derailleur
> hangar extension will allow a 9 speed XT rd to accommodate a 40 t cog. A
> 11-13-15-17-20-23-26-30-40 X 32 might be good for steep singletrack.
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 6:02 AM, Lungimsam  wrote:
>
>> I can see 40t, 11 speed for a 1x.
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[RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[Grant @ Rivendell]

We have considered the re-muv-a-plate and have not totally rejected it. I 
think I'm the only one here who has any misgivings at all, but I'm also the 
one who'd get in trouble if Joe Blow blew it with the bolts and got 
hurt--and tragically, that influences things, sometimes. I feel an emoticon 
coming on! Anyway, the stem is best used when converting a too-small bike 
with drops or straight bars, to an Albatross or Choco bar. Maybe Alba if a 
road bike, or Choco-with-its-greater-sweep if a mountain bike---and in 
either case, those bars won't need changing :). <--is that right?
NITTO does some r-plate stems, and reports that the vertical slot isn't as 
strong as a horizontal slot, and that becomes an issue with wider bars and 
mountain bars. A 42cm drop bar doesn't leverage the clamp as much as a 55cm 
wide-y. All these things the tests reveal that rides don't, but that we, as 
kind of gatekeepers for your safety, have to watch out for.

Many things related to bike set up and component use and correctness that 
may seem obvious to 99 percent of you reading this, are not to be taken for 
granted among the population as a whole, by which I include and am only 
really talking about OUR customers. I think our customer have more than 
average bike smarts, but as the years pass the number of bikes and parts 
we've put out there climbs, and ownership passes to eBay customer and so 
on...and it doesn't mean we have to ultra-dumb down our stuff, it just 
means we have to chew on things longer before doing 'em.

The Jumbo Grabsack...I'll try my old 15-er in it and report. That computer 
died, but it has a great Sheldon sticker on it, so I keep it around. 
Anyway, not to bring up THIS again, but I have been known to tote a laptop 
around in a Saddlesack LIKE EVERY DAY OF MY LIFE, and a 13er in El Jumbo 
fits into a MED..but a 15er won't. It'd go into a large, though.

High rise with 25.4 mm clamp; looks promising. But puh *leeze* make the 
> clamp with a removable face plate!
>
> The larger Grabsack also looks good, but alas it is designed for a 13" 
> laptop, not the 15" I have. They should add a waist strap, too.
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>
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[RBW] Re: Thunder Burt Wisdom...

[iamkeith]

just reading this thread for the first time myself.   There's a post from 
Hugh near the top that cites 47.5mm on 23mm rims Presumably for the 2.1 x 
26" tire.

On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 9:37:21 AM UTC-7, Michael Cinibulk wrote:
>
> What reading do you get from calipers on width of the 2.1,and 2.25 TBs? 
> Are Schwalbes generally true to size on old school MTB rims? 
>
> Mike C

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[RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[iamkeith]

Patrick, 

For what it's worth, I have used and/or am still using about a half dozen 
of the old Ritchey Force stems which, as Kieran noted, are similar to this 
stem in that they have no removable face plate AND have a broader, 
squared-off, mtb style clamp area (as opposed to the road/drop bar style 
with the clipped bottom corners).  And some old steel salsa stems too, 
which have  a similar shape clamp area.   

I've been able to fit pretty much any handlebar I want into them, 
*including* some drop bars with some pretty drastic/sharp curves.  The 
trickiest was a Salsa Woodchipper, but Albatross, Bosco and Moustache bars 
are no problem whatsoever.   The nice thing about a steel stem is that you 
can spread the clamp further, more easily, and with less risk of damage 
than you can a forged stem.  I'm sure there's a limit and you need to be 
prudent, but I can't imagine an exisiting 25.4 bar that couldn't work.  I'm 
sure you know the reverse-the-bolt-and-stick-a-coin-in-the-gap trick for 
spreading.

Obviously it's not as quick to change stems as it is if you have a 
removable plate, but I'm guessing there won't be much experimenting and 
fine-tuning going on anyway.   This stem fills a HUGE void in the 
marketplace but will either work or it won't.  Unless they offer multiple 
extension lengths or rise angles?  Barring that, I really like the classic 
look of the single bolt, and can't wait until the stem is available.


On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 10:18:10 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> High rise with 25.4 mm clamp; looks promising. But puh *leeze* make the 
> clamp with a removable face plate!
>
> The larger Grabsack also looks good, but alas it is designed for a 13" 
> laptop, not the 15" I have. They should add a waist strap, too.
>
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>
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> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
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>
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>
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[RBW] Re: Thunder Burt Wisdom...

[Deacon Patrick]

My light skin 29 x 2.1" TBs measure 2" (51mm). They are a weekish old, and 
have not been inflated over 20 psi, so I'd expect they'd stretch to 2.1" 
fairly easily with increased pressure.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: 2,000 miles safe for a Riv-bike on a car trunk rack?

[LeahFoy]

I drive a similar distance every summer with my Betty Foy in a Hollywood tray 
rack. I did sustain some damage to the paint from where the rod pushes down on 
the top tube. I just didn't realize, and it is my fault. But, the trip DID 
shake my bolts loose on my racks. As I was unloading the bike, a bolt literally 
fell off and into my hand. I checked all the others - all loose. So, watch for 
that.

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[RBW] About Toyo Frame on Youtube

[James Warren]

Apologies if this has already been posted on this forum:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvtnFmrUuf4

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Re: [RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for trying (see below). I can see your reason for hesitating to use
a removable face plate if some (dummy synonym) might install it wrong, a la
quick release, and do himself and others harm.

I bet I can get a 15" laptop into a Medium Saddlesack, but I want a nice
shoulder bag too. If you don't add a waist strap, I will.

Keith (Iam?Ian?): I've installed many a tightly curved bar into stems such
as Tioga T-Bones and so forth using the bolt and penny trick, but removable
face plates are so easy. Still, as I said, I understand, and I'm glad
nonetheless that someone is making a 11/8" upjutter decent looking
threadless stem. I think that my 19" Race Lite might use one to hold dirt
drop bars; we'll see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU9Dsl89UGo=youtu.be

On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Grant @ Rivendell 
wrote:

> We have considered the re-muv-a-plate and have not totally rejected it. I
> think I'm the only one here who has any misgivings at all, but I'm also the
> one who'd get in trouble if Joe Blow blew it with the bolts and got
> hurt--and tragically, that influences things, sometimes. I feel an emoticon
> coming on! Anyway, the stem is best used when converting a too-small bike
> with drops or straight bars, to an Albatross or Choco bar. Maybe Alba if a
> road bike, or Choco-with-its-greater-sweep if a mountain bike---and in
> either case, those bars won't need changing :). <--is that right?
> NITTO does some r-plate stems, and reports that the vertical slot isn't as
> strong as a horizontal slot, and that becomes an issue with wider bars and
> mountain bars. A 42cm drop bar doesn't leverage the clamp as much as a 55cm
> wide-y. All these things the tests reveal that rides don't, but that we, as
> kind of gatekeepers for your safety, have to watch out for.
>
> Many things related to bike set up and component use and correctness that
> may seem obvious to 99 percent of you reading this, are not to be taken for
> granted among the population as a whole, by which I include and am only
> really talking about OUR customers. I think our customer have more than
> average bike smarts, but as the years pass the number of bikes and parts
> we've put out there climbs, and ownership passes to eBay customer and so
> on...and it doesn't mean we have to ultra-dumb down our stuff, it just
> means we have to chew on things longer before doing 'em.
>
> The Jumbo Grabsack...I'll try my old 15-er in it and report. That computer
> died, but it has a great Sheldon sticker on it, so I keep it around.
> Anyway, not to bring up THIS again, but I have been known to tote a laptop
> around in a Saddlesack LIKE EVERY DAY OF MY LIFE, and a 13er in El Jumbo
> fits into a MED..but a 15er won't. It'd go into a large, though.
>
>
> High rise with 25.4 mm clamp; looks promising. But puh *leeze* make the
>> clamp with a removable face plate!
>>
>> The larger Grabsack also looks good, but alas it is designed for a 13"
>> laptop, not the 15" I have. They should add a waist strap, too.
>>
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[RBW] Re: SOLD Re: FS: Low Trail Hunqapillar Frame/Fork/SP/HS size 58 - $1,300 OBO + shipping

[blakcloud]

Congratulations. It's always fun to get a new bike. Happy riding.

On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 12:41:47 PM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> Bought! :-)
>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[Joe Bernard]

I've appreciated the open face-plate when going through my notoriously 
obsessive process of dialing in stem length - buy a stem, swap it in without 
undoing bar stuff, don't like it, buy another stem, repeat - but that feature 
is pointless once you know the length you need. Per Grant's caution, I have to 
admit I don't entirely trust the connection of these things. Right now my CLEM 
has a threadless-on-quill-adaptor 'cause that's what I had around, but it's 
going to get a proper quill single-bolt stem eventually. 

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[RBW] craigslist PSA- 45cm Clem frame in Brooklyn NY

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, that's a deal, especially on a frameset with cream highlights on the fork 
and seat lug. Anybody in New York who already has a decent stash of parts to 
fit it should snap that baby up NOW.

Joe "paid 800 plus shipping for a new one, and THAT was a deal" Bernard,
Vallejo, CA.

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[RBW] FS: 65cm Homer Hilsen

[David Craig]

Hey, Folks.

Haven't posted for quite awhile. I've been on a medically prompted hiatus 
from cycling for the past couple of years. The wife and I will be hitting 
the road in a couple of weeks for a year long sabbatical, and I've decided 
to pass on my HH to somebody who might be able to use it rather than store 
it.

The bike is in great condition - pictured 
here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/45341162@N04/albums/72157626013424216

Couple of changes from the picture - the bike no longer has a leather seat 
and it now sports a 7cm Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem instead of the riser - 
otherwise, it's the same bike pictured.

I can provide detailed photos and build info to interested buyers. I'm 
looking for $1500.00 OBO for the entire bike. Quite a deal, but you'd need 
to be able to pick the bike up in central California. I don't have the time 
to ship it. I'm located in the Gold County near Yosemite and I'd be willing 
to drive to a couple of hours from here to deliver the bike.

I've sold several items to list members over the years, so I believe I've 
got a good reputation as a straight shooter and honest guy. 

Remember, please reply via a PM instead of through the list. I'll get back 
to you ASAP.

Dave

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[RBW] Re: FS: "Biketinkers Union" patches

[Deacon Patrick]

Here's the latest in bicycle wrench apron patch fashion on the homeliest 
lad (we refuse to call him a model) ever! Note especially the 
BicycleTinkers Union and Snow Viking patches!



With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks Anne. I am used to Chupas and like them a lot.

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[RBW] Re: Clemmin' Around

[iamkeith]

Very nice!  You're making me stir crazy, though.  

Hope your daughter is doing well, by the way.

Hey, here's a question I've been wondering:  Are the pulleys on the Altus 
derailleur floating (have some side-to-side slop)? The floating pulleys of 
the typical, older shimano derailleurs is the reason that so many odd 
shifter/derailleur combinations have worked for me.  But it seems like, as 
engineering gets more precise and group-specific, some of that flexibility 
is being engineered out of newer components.  I don't think, for instance, 
that the 10 speed mtn shimano derailleurs have any float at all, but I'd 
have to confirm.

On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 3:21:43 PM UTC-7, Tim Wood wrote:
>
> On Monday, February 8, 2016 at 8:45:01 AM UTC-8, ian m wrote:
> > I think it's the combination of the sun race shifters and the Altus 
> derailler. I was using the same shifters with an XTR derailler and had 0 
> problems with mis shifts. As soon as I hooked up the Altus I've experienced 
> the same shifting problems as everyone else, especially under load. It's a 
> good enough derailler but the combination just doesn't work well
>
> Good real world evidence, I like it. Maybe those large pullies on the 
> Altus aren't all they're cracked up to be and exaggerated the chain line 
> and maybe they flex or twist under load?  
>
> Wanted to share some photos from yesterday's ride as the sun made a 
> spectacular appearance in the Vancouver area and when that happens you have 
> to rush out to enjoy it. I went for a nice 35km along the water and through 
> some new trails, check it out: 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[iamkeith]

What size stem would you need, Joe?  I've got a bunch of quality old quill 
stems lying around that I'll likely never use, so am happy to pass on to a 
good home if one will work. 

Funny, isn't it Patrick, that this new stem is 1 1/8"  while Bontrager 
happened to be the last holdout, *other* than Rivendell, of 1" forks?!  A 
couple of the places I could see myself most urgently utilizing this stem 
are actually on 1" bikes too... like my bontrager.  

It's just "Keith," but the way.  I AM Keith.   Inside joke that's no longer 
funny, but I ended up using it for my profile on all forums where I 
participate.

On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 1:11:14 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I've appreciated the open face-plate when going through my notoriously 
> obsessive process of dialing in stem length - buy a stem, swap it in 
> without undoing bar stuff, don't like it, buy another stem, repeat - but 
> that feature is pointless once you know the length you need. Per Grant's 
> caution, I have to admit I don't entirely trust the connection of these 
> things. Right now my CLEM has a threadless-on-quill-adaptor 'cause that's 
> what I had around, but it's going to get a proper quill single-bolt stem 
> eventually. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[Joe Bernard]

Hi Keith, who am. I need a pretty long stem, 130 or 140, 25.4 clamp. That's 
usually threadless open-face territory, which is how I ended up with the one 
that's on there now. Whatcha got?

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Re: [RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[dstein]

No comment on the stem but I did pick up a jumbo grabsack a few weeks ago 
and love it. There is a sewn in sleeve on the inside which holds my 13" mac 
but does not fit my wife's 14" lenovo (which is pretty thick). That being 
said, there is ample room outside of the sewn in sleeve where the 14" 
lenovo fits fine and I imagine a 15" would fit, it just wouldn't be nice 
and snug like as if in the sleeve thing.

On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 4:04:42 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Hi Keith, who am. I need a pretty long stem, 130 or 140, 25.4 clamp. 
> That's usually threadless open-face territory, which is how I ended up with 
> the one that's on there now. Whatcha got?

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Re: [RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[iamkeith]

130-140 is easy.  Most of my stuff is from '80s 90's mountain bikes, where 
the entire goal was to go over the handlebars as often as possible.  ;-)   
Might not have anything as elegant as nitto, but will have good quality. 
 I'll take some pictures tomorrow and PM you.

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>
> Hi Keith, who am. I need a pretty long stem, 130 or 140, 25.4 clamp. 
> That's usually threadless open-face territory, which is how I ended up with 
> the one that's on there now. Whatcha got?

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[RBW] Re: Metal fender shaping/cutting advice

[Patrick Moore]

Whoops: the current fenders are 40s and the replacement pair are 50s -- in
case this matters.

On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I've been messing with fenders on the 2003 custom, and never really have
> installed metal ones as neatly as desirable, at least not since I gave up
> 22 mm tires. Plastic fenders fit fine, but I'd like to do a better job with
> Berthouds.
>
> The bike has 29 mm actual Elk Passes.
>
> The current 26" X 35 mm Berthouds are too tight in the rear, and come very
> close to scraping a spot on the right sidewall. (Close, but not quite
> touching, as long as the wheel is *just so*.) I have a pair of 26" X 45
> mm Berthouds that should fit the tires much better, but there are tight
> spots under each brake caliper (Silvers) and at chainstays in rear and
> between the fork blades just under the crown.
>
> *The arc is just right, and I won't be shaping the width by adjusting the
> curve.*
>
> The 35s fit nicely with only the calipers crowding the front a bit, but 5
> more mm on each side will crowd even more at the tight spots.
>
> I'm going to swap out the Silvers for single pivots, for less
> interference, but I'll have to "dent" or cut the metal at chainstays and,
> especially, at the fork.
>
> Can anyone refer me to instructions for doing this?
>
> Thanks.
>
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[RBW] New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[David Banzer]

Here you go: http://store.fairweather.cc/store/p35/NITTO__MCR65_STEM_.html

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 54cm Quickbeam on Los Angeles Craigslist

[Evan E.]

Beautiful bike. Surprised it's still available.

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[RBW] Re: Metal fender shaping/cutting advice

[Lungimsam]

BQ has an extensive article in one of their volumes by JH and JPWeigle I think 
about crafting metal fenders to fit.

Btw I saw no significant diff in space between my tektro r559s and Paul racer 
cpulls.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[Patrick Moore]

Keith: The Bontrager has a 1" threadless fork, but I'm happily using a
spacer to get a 1 1/8" stem to fit. Far easier than trying to track down
the right length and rise in 1".

Dave (Stein): Good to know that the jumbo does hold a 15". Would you be
kind enough to post a photo of the thick 14" inside the main compartment?
My new-to-me-but-2014-model-year Macbook Pro is pretty thin, and measures
about 14 1/3" side to side. I don't mind the sleeve not fitting, as it will
serve instead as a divider for papers and what have you. (I'll still sew on
a waist strap, though.)

On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 5:21 PM, dstein  wrote:

> No comment on the stem but I did pick up a jumbo grabsack a few weeks ago
> and love it. There is a sewn in sleeve on the inside which holds my 13" mac
> but does not fit my wife's 14" lenovo (which is pretty thick). That being
> said, there is ample room outside of the sewn in sleeve where the 14"
> lenovo fits fine and I imagine a 15" would fit, it just wouldn't be nice
> and snug like as if in the sleeve thing.
>
>
> On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 4:04:42 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Hi Keith, who am. I need a pretty long stem, 130 or 140, 25.4 clamp.
>> That's usually threadless open-face territory, which is how I ended up with
>> the one that's on there now. Whatcha got?
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[RBW] Re: Metal fender shaping/cutting advice

[Patrick Moore]

In connection with this topic: what brake arches give the best clearance
for fenders?

Said brakes have to:

1. Have between 53 and 58 mm reach.

2. Be forged and silver.

3. Stop well with salmon pads. (I am quite happy with, say, Royal Grand
Comp and the better SunTour calipers.)

I installed the Silvers because they open expecially wide and can (almost)
clear 1.35" Kojaks, but now that I am using the narrower Elk Passes, I can
get by with brakes lacking this feature.

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Metal fender shaping/cutting advice

[Lungimsam]

This is exactly why my next bike will have cantis if I have a choice.

i struggled with my Honjo h50's hammered to get as much clearance as poss on my 
Bleriot. Calipers limit how high the fender can rise above tire. I used a 
Sheldon nut behind the fork. Daruma was a no go.

But I have tons of space with my compass 38's under the fenders. 42s were too 
close for my taste.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The joys of modern lighting... we've come a long way!

[Bill]

Let's not forget the 1948 Tucker's "Cyclops Eye".

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Re: [RBW] New 1 1/8" threadless stem on 2/10 Blug

[Patrick Moore]

Thank you! And it comes in the elegant black so in demand among cycling men
of discrimination. (My Bontrager has black parts.)

This clinches it:

*It can be get great position, especially grip drop end part. *

Patrick "it can making great happiness in anticipate of drop end bar" Moore

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> Here you go: http://store.fairweather.cc/store/p35/NITTO__MCR65_STEM_.html
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[RBW] Metal fender shaping/cutting advice

[Patrick Moore]

I've been messing with fenders on the 2003 custom, and never really have
installed metal ones as neatly as desirable, at least not since I gave up
22 mm tires. Plastic fenders fit fine, but I'd like to do a better job with
Berthouds.

The bike has 29 mm actual Elk Passes.

The current 26" X 35 mm Berthouds are too tight in the rear, and come very
close to scraping a spot on the right sidewall. (Close, but not quite
touching, as long as the wheel is *just so*.) I have a pair of 26" X 45 mm
Berthouds that should fit the tires much better, but there are tight spots
under each brake caliper (Silvers) and at chainstays in rear and between
the fork blades just under the crown.

*The arc is just right, and I won't be shaping the width by adjusting the
curve.*

The 35s fit nicely with only the calipers crowding the front a bit, but 5
more mm on each side will crowd even more at the tight spots.

I'm going to swap out the Silvers for single pivots, for less interference,
but I'll have to "dent" or cut the metal at chainstays and, especially, at
the fork.

Can anyone refer me to instructions for doing this?

Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: "Biketinkers Union" patches

[Patrick Moore]

Patrick, with that beard you don't need patches.

Patrick "other, beardless" Moore

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> lad (we refuse to call him a model) ever! Note especially the
> BicycleTinkers Union and Snow Viking patches!
>
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> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe

[Ron Mc]

The smoke-test answer is totally acceptable.  My custom-cassette compact 
double above came from percolating the ratios of a half-step + bail-out 
wide-7 on another bike, that from chain-ring trials had become perfect for 
my rolling hills and the 400' steep climb to get home at the end of the 
ride.  

On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 11:13:35 AM UTC-6, Grant @ Rivendell 
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>
> As designers and manufacturers, we like (and have some kind of obligation) 
> to try things ourselves that may or may not work on our customers' bikes. 
> We're often asked about parts we haven't tried, and a lot of the time have 
> no interest in trying---for reasons good or bad, but usually good. Keeping 
> in mind that, despite the furor we sometimes inspire and the price of our 
> bikes, we are a small and cash-poor business that can't be all things to 
> all riders. And, often we have friends who let us try their bikes with 
> something. 
>
> It's not always a matter of "does it work?", because most things do work 
> in their intended limited applications, and in the right circumstances. 
>
> The thing I LIKE about the 40, is that on my Cheviot, at least, it worked 
> with my $30 much beloved Altus derailer. It required a few more links of 
> chain--as it turned out, one more than what I put on it when I was thinking 
> I'd never make the goof of riding the 46 x 40 combo.Sometimes when I'm 
> feeling super frisky, I climb in the big ring THINKING its the middle ring, 
> and that's what happened here. Then it got harder or I got tireder, and 
> shifting up in back and broke it. It's not something I'm ashamed of, 
> it's just part of life on bikes. It's kind of neat being the guy who owns a 
> bike company but hasn't gotten beyond doing dumb stuff. It makes me feel 
> like a kid again, or something.
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 7:32 AM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
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>> Or even a 1X9 or 1X10. I may go that route myself one day if a derailleur 
>> hangar extension will allow a 9 speed XT rd to accommodate a 40 t cog. A 
>> 11-13-15-17-20-23-26-30-40 X 32 might be good for steep singletrack.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 6:02 AM, Lungimsam > > wrote:
>>
>>> I can see 40t, 11 speed for a 1x.
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