[RBW] Re: cut in sidewall

[Hugh Smitham]

Hey Kyle,

I had the same happen to my Hetres, I called Jan at Compass and he sold me 
a new tire at his cost. Not the most favorable solution but a solution.

~Hugh

On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 2:23:08 PM UTC-8, KyleBH wrote:
>
> I have a Grand Bois Cypress tire (700 x 30)  with <1000 miles and plenty 
> of tread life left, but just noticed it has a 1/4" tear in a sidewall.  Is 
> it garbage?  Boot it and go with it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kyle
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] abe, joe, tom and I ride around sf

[René Sterental]

Great ride!

On Sunday, March 6, 2016, cyclotourist  wrote:

> What a fun urban loop! Looks like it would be a blast!
>
> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:44 PM, Patrick D Kelly  > wrote:
>
>> My buddy Dave Abercrombie (commonly known as Abe) and I went for a little
>> ride around SF today. He on his Bombadil (Tom) and I on my Joe Appaloosa.
>>
>> photos: https://flic.kr/s/aHskvHWLea
>> gps: https://ridewithgps.com/trips/8063583
>>
>> (I neglected to turn on my gps until we reached the bay, but we actually
>> started where the ride ended, so it was a complete loop.)
>>
>> We rode from central SF, north to the beach, then west to the GG bridge.
>> We rode over, and I wanted to get a photo of the Robin Williams tunnel.
>> Unfortunately you cannot go there on a bicycle. But at least I got a lousy
>> photo.  Then back across the bridge and continuing west and then south
>> until we reached GG park. Then thru the park, back to "home".
>>
>> This was my first real ride on a joe. It's an easy bike to ride. :)
>> Riding in SF gives plenty of up and down hill action.
>>
>> I moved my saddle back a bit at one point, which is surprising to me,
>> since it's already got a setback seatpost, and the seat tube angle is
>> supposed to be super mellow. I suspect it has to do with the bars coming
>> back so far. Gonna have to pay attention to my knees to find out where's
>> the right position for the saddle.
>>
>> Sitting so upright is a little disconcerting. I feel like I should be
>> wearing more tweed. Still unknown if I'm gonna stick with this bar, or
>> change it up.
>>
>> cheerios
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Re: [RBW] FS Wald basket and various Riv Sackville bags

[Bruce Smitham]

The trunksack is sold but the other 3 bags and basket are still available

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 4:41:09 PM UTC-8, Jason Braaten wrote:
>
> Thanks Bruce, its a great deal, however I am set on grey to match my grey 
> Hunq.
>
> On Sunday, March 6, 2016, Bruce Smitham  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jason,
>>
>> The shopsack is olive. Sorry about not wring that in the post. I'll have 
>> to include that.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Jason Braaten  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Is the medium shopsack w waldbasket Grey or Olive?  It looks Olive, 
>>> however just wanted to make sure.  I need a grey medium shopsack, if grey I 
>>> will take it.  Sorry, I think I'm half colorblind
>>>
>>> Jason Braaten
>>> Jasonjbraaten at gmail
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Re: [RBW] abe, joe, tom and I ride around sf

[cyclotourist]

What a fun urban loop! Looks like it would be a blast!

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:44 PM, Patrick D Kelly 
wrote:

> My buddy Dave Abercrombie (commonly known as Abe) and I went for a little
> ride around SF today. He on his Bombadil (Tom) and I on my Joe Appaloosa.
>
> photos: https://flic.kr/s/aHskvHWLea
> gps: https://ridewithgps.com/trips/8063583
>
> (I neglected to turn on my gps until we reached the bay, but we actually
> started where the ride ended, so it was a complete loop.)
>
> We rode from central SF, north to the beach, then west to the GG bridge.
> We rode over, and I wanted to get a photo of the Robin Williams tunnel.
> Unfortunately you cannot go there on a bicycle. But at least I got a lousy
> photo.  Then back across the bridge and continuing west and then south
> until we reached GG park. Then thru the park, back to "home".
>
> This was my first real ride on a joe. It's an easy bike to ride. :) Riding
> in SF gives plenty of up and down hill action.
>
> I moved my saddle back a bit at one point, which is surprising to me,
> since it's already got a setback seatpost, and the seat tube angle is
> supposed to be super mellow. I suspect it has to do with the bars coming
> back so far. Gonna have to pay attention to my knees to find out where's
> the right position for the saddle.
>
> Sitting so upright is a little disconcerting. I feel like I should be
> wearing more tweed. Still unknown if I'm gonna stick with this bar, or
> change it up.
>
> cheerios
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[cyclotourist]

Make it happen!

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 8:45 PM, dougP  wrote:

> I found myself comparing the geo to my 58 cm Atlantis.  Likely I'm the
> only lister with only one Rivendell and an orange Ram would be such a neat
> sporty bike.
>
> dougp
>
> On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 6:29:01 PM UTC-8, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>> I completely relate.
>> On Mar 6, 2016 5:58 PM, "Pondero"  wrote:
>>
>>> I really must stop reading this thread.  It seems to be planting
>>> thoughts in my brain that are better left un-thought.
>>>
>>> Chris Johnson
>>> Sanger, Texas
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[RBW] abe, joe, tom and I ride around sf

[Patrick D Kelly]

My buddy Dave Abercrombie (commonly known as Abe) and I went for a little 
ride around SF today. He on his Bombadil (Tom) and I on my Joe Appaloosa.

photos: https://flic.kr/s/aHskvHWLea
gps: https://ridewithgps.com/trips/8063583

(I neglected to turn on my gps until we reached the bay, but we actually 
started where the ride ended, so it was a complete loop.)

We rode from central SF, north to the beach, then west to the GG bridge. We 
rode over, and I wanted to get a photo of the Robin Williams tunnel. 
Unfortunately you cannot go there on a bicycle. But at least I got a lousy 
photo.  Then back across the bridge and continuing west and then south 
until we reached GG park. Then thru the park, back to "home".

This was my first real ride on a joe. It's an easy bike to ride. :) Riding 
in SF gives plenty of up and down hill action.

I moved my saddle back a bit at one point, which is surprising to me, since 
it's already got a setback seatpost, and the seat tube angle is supposed to 
be super mellow. I suspect it has to do with the bars coming back so far. 
Gonna have to pay attention to my knees to find out where's the right 
position for the saddle.

Sitting so upright is a little disconcerting. I feel like I should be 
wearing more tweed. Still unknown if I'm gonna stick with this bar, or 
change it up.

cheerios

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[RBW] Re: Crack in the Sam headtube??

[Wayne Naha]

Yes there are non-destructive ways to test what appears to be a crack, dye 
penetration test or magna-flux to name two.  They do require specialized 
tools, materials and training.  A frame builder, or someone else with 
experience in the area can determine if it is a crack by visual inspection 
when the crack is obvious.  If there is any doubt, a test is preformed. 
 The dye penetration test is the simplest and it wouldn't surprise me if a 
well stocked frame builder had such a test kit.

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 11:51:16 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> Mike raised the possibility that this is not a crack, and he has 
> experience in this issue.  Is there any type of non-destructive test (X-ray 
> or something?) that can be performed to determine the exact nature of the 
> situation?  Before taking any more aggressive action?  
>
> dougP
>
> On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 8:25:36 PM UTC-8, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>
>> As second owner, any warranty offered by Riv does not apply.  If it is a 
>> crack, which is not completely certain, it would at the least, need to be 
>> stop drilled.  That will prevent any further propagation of the crack.  I 
>> would say that a crack will certainly grow if left unattended.  Stop 
>> drilling it will buy you some time to decide if you want to go the route of 
>> replacing the tube or not.  I would avoid any further sanding, and remove 
>> any more paint by chemical means.  If you get it evaluated and the tube is 
>> cracked, stop drilling may be all you need.  It's a good first step, but it 
>> would need regular inspection after that.  If the crack progresses beyond 
>> the stop drill holes, then you are assured that the head tube is garbage 
>> and will need replacing.  My guess is that replacing the head tube and 
>> repainting the frame would equal the cost of a new Sam, but maybe not. 
>>  Anyway, it's not hard to do the drilling yourself.  Plug the holes with 
>> silicone caulk.  Good luck!
>>
>> On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 5:27:28 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>>>
>>> I was performing a very rare bike cleaning and saw a bit of a chip in 
>>> the paint of the headtube on my Sam. It is a 60cm, single top tube orange 
>>> one with side pulls, if you are interested. I am the second ownder and have 
>>> put 5000 or so miles on it over the last three years.
>>> Can you all take a look at the two photos posted here 
>>>  and 
>>> let me know what you think?
>>> Is it a crack? Yes, it looks like that. It is right where the point of 
>>> the lug is, which must add some kind of stress? Metallurgists and engineers 
>>> please chime in.
>>> What to do about it? Replace the head tube? What size of a job is that? 
>>> Does every city (even a not very bikey city like Nashville) have someone 
>>> who could do this?
>>> Any other wisdom would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Why does steel have to be THIS real?
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My Joe Appaloosa

[Dennis Hogan]

Sweet Ride !!
Dennis in PDX

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 5:06:12 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
> I picked up my Joe Appaloosa Thursday night.  I had to pack that night for 
> a bike race, and the race consumed my Friday and Saturday for the most 
> part.  I went ahead and did my first pass at making it mine.  I installed 
> Dutch paddle grips, trimmed all the cables and housing, and wrapped the 
> forward part of the Choco Bullmoose bars with yellow Newbaums, shellacked 
> with amber.  
>
> I've also installed an R-14 rack and a Saddlesack Medium.  As pictured the 
> Choco Moose bars are slammed.  My SH is 75.5cm.  That's a 55cm Appaloosa.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Crack in the Sam headtube??

[dougP]

Mike raised the possibility that this is not a crack, and he has experience 
in this issue.  Is there any type of non-destructive test (X-ray or 
something?) that can be performed to determine the exact nature of the 
situation?  Before taking any more aggressive action?  

dougP

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 8:25:36 PM UTC-8, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> As second owner, any warranty offered by Riv does not apply.  If it is a 
> crack, which is not completely certain, it would at the least, need to be 
> stop drilled.  That will prevent any further propagation of the crack.  I 
> would say that a crack will certainly grow if left unattended.  Stop 
> drilling it will buy you some time to decide if you want to go the route of 
> replacing the tube or not.  I would avoid any further sanding, and remove 
> any more paint by chemical means.  If you get it evaluated and the tube is 
> cracked, stop drilling may be all you need.  It's a good first step, but it 
> would need regular inspection after that.  If the crack progresses beyond 
> the stop drill holes, then you are assured that the head tube is garbage 
> and will need replacing.  My guess is that replacing the head tube and 
> repainting the frame would equal the cost of a new Sam, but maybe not. 
>  Anyway, it's not hard to do the drilling yourself.  Plug the holes with 
> silicone caulk.  Good luck!
>
> On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 5:27:28 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>>
>> I was performing a very rare bike cleaning and saw a bit of a chip in the 
>> paint of the headtube on my Sam. It is a 60cm, single top tube orange one 
>> with side pulls, if you are interested. I am the second ownder and have put 
>> 5000 or so miles on it over the last three years.
>> Can you all take a look at the two photos posted here 
>>  and 
>> let me know what you think?
>> Is it a crack? Yes, it looks like that. It is right where the point of 
>> the lug is, which must add some kind of stress? Metallurgists and engineers 
>> please chime in.
>> What to do about it? Replace the head tube? What size of a job is that? 
>> Does every city (even a not very bikey city like Nashville) have someone 
>> who could do this?
>> Any other wisdom would be appreciated.
>>
>> Why does steel have to be THIS real?
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[dougP]

I found myself comparing the geo to my 58 cm Atlantis.  Likely I'm the only 
lister with only one Rivendell and an orange Ram would be such a neat 
sporty bike.  

dougp

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 6:29:01 PM UTC-8, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> I completely relate.
> On Mar 6, 2016 5:58 PM, "Pondero"  
> wrote:
>
>> I really must stop reading this thread.  It seems to be planting thoughts 
>> in my brain that are better left un-thought.
>>
>> Chris Johnson
>> Sanger, Texas
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[RBW] Re: Rene's Hungapillar: Version 3.0

[Dennis Hogan]

Great pics and beautiful build!!
Dennis in PDX

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 12:41:36 PM UTC-8, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> I was the proud purchaser of Rene's Hunq frame with the low trail fork. 
> Already having a 61cm Hilsen, the Hunq was acquired with off-road riding in 
> mind. I finally got it finished last night and was able to spend about 3 
> hrs on it this morning. Lots of fun, the low trail fork does a really good 
> job with handling at low speeds. It is on the large side for me, I fall "in 
> between" on the Riv sizing scale, I am 6'1" 185 with a longer torso, so 
> this seems to be working. There were a couple of dismounts that reminded me 
> that the top tube was there but since I have 2 kids and won't be needing 
> anymore, it should work.
>
> Here is a link to the pics to prove it happened. I need to tighten down 
> the headset and adjust the front brake to stop a minor squeal. The 
> chainrings are place holders until I determine the final configuration. 
> Thanks again Rene!
>
> http://s91.photobucket.com/user/bylar13/library/Hunqapillar?sort=2=1
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[RBW] Re: Crack in the Sam headtube??

[Wayne Naha]

As second owner, any warranty offered by Riv does not apply.  If it is a 
crack, which is not completely certain, it would at the least, need to be 
stop drilled.  That will prevent any further propagation of the crack.  I 
would say that a crack will certainly grow if left unattended.  Stop 
drilling it will buy you some time to decide if you want to go the route of 
replacing the tube or not.  I would avoid any further sanding, and remove 
any more paint by chemical means.  If you get it evaluated and the tube is 
cracked, stop drilling may be all you need.  It's a good first step, but it 
would need regular inspection after that.  If the crack progresses beyond 
the stop drill holes, then you are assured that the head tube is garbage 
and will need replacing.  My guess is that replacing the head tube and 
repainting the frame would equal the cost of a new Sam, but maybe not. 
 Anyway, it's not hard to do the drilling yourself.  Plug the holes with 
silicone caulk.  Good luck!

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 5:27:28 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I was performing a very rare bike cleaning and saw a bit of a chip in the 
> paint of the headtube on my Sam. It is a 60cm, single top tube orange one 
> with side pulls, if you are interested. I am the second ownder and have put 
> 5000 or so miles on it over the last three years.
> Can you all take a look at the two photos posted here 
>  and 
> let me know what you think?
> Is it a crack? Yes, it looks like that. It is right where the point of the 
> lug is, which must add some kind of stress? Metallurgists and engineers 
> please chime in.
> What to do about it? Replace the head tube? What size of a job is that? 
> Does every city (even a not very bikey city like Nashville) have someone 
> who could do this?
> Any other wisdom would be appreciated.
>
> Why does steel have to be THIS real?
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[Mark Williams]

It sounds worse than it is.  Our normal annual rainfall is 37" but we've had 
38" since Dec1.
It's not really cold, as in Tennesee, but more wet and cool.  
With the right equipment- fenders, reflectors, sealed bearings your bike will 
be fine.  Layers, gloves, and booties and you will be fine.  The bigger deal is 
having facilities at work to shower, hang dry your clothes and safely park your 
bike.
We have a great mass of commuters- enough so that autos pay notice to your 
existence.

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[RBW] Re: Crack in the Sam headtube??

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Edwin, I have had two frames crack at a headtube lug, both frames built by 
the same frame shop. I rode them for weeks in that condition including a 
long race that included a significant mountain climb and descent. That is 
how young and dumb and poor I was. My point is you are probably alright for 
the short term, but you might want to get it checked reasonably soon.

Joe in GJT

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 3:27:28 PM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I was performing a very rare bike cleaning and saw a bit of a chip in the 
> paint of the headtube on my Sam. It is a 60cm, single top tube orange one 
> with side pulls, if you are interested. I am the second ownder and have put 
> 5000 or so miles on it over the last three years.
> Can you all take a look at the two photos posted here 
>  and 
> let me know what you think?
> Is it a crack? Yes, it looks like that. It is right where the point of the 
> lug is, which must add some kind of stress? Metallurgists and engineers 
> please chime in.
> What to do about it? Replace the head tube? What size of a job is that? 
> Does every city (even a not very bikey city like Nashville) have someone 
> who could do this?
> Any other wisdom would be appreciated.
>
> Why does steel have to be THIS real?
>
> Edwin
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[RBW] Re: Seattle riding weather

[dstein]

To further clarify, I'm worried that there are 2 month or longer stretches 
where its so rainy that you can't fit any riding in. (I realize that this 
is subjective to most people who brave rain, snow, or sleet, but I am not 
one of them :)) In Tennessee I'd get pretty beat up by 2 months of no 
riding in December-February, worried it'd be like that but much, much 
longer.

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 6:38:28 PM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>
> Question for the Seattleites on here. I know the riding is great in and 
> around Seattle. Well I don't 'know know', but I imagine it is, lots of 
> various terrain and an endless supply of nature and picturesque landscapes. 
> But how is the weather for year round riding? Contemplating a move in a 
> year or two, possibly to Seattle since that is where my company is based 
> out of and my job is supposed to be. I know it rains a lot. I hear the 
> weather is shitty like 9 months out of the year. But I've been spending a 
> lot of time there recently and it seems that while its constantly gray and 
> cloudy, its usually not actually raining. Is this the case? Do you find 
> that you can get out most weekends on a ride (I work banker hours and 
> weekends are my riding time).
>
> To put it in more context: I live in the Bay Area, and am spoiled by year 
> round world class riding weather. Seriously, there are like 6-7 weekends a 
> year when its raining, and when it does it rains it does so for a few weeks 
> straight and I eventually end up suiting up in some rain proof garb and 
> going for it, and usually end up hating every second of it, but hard to 
> complain since it rains so seldom. I previously lived in Tennessee, where I 
> was used to more inclemental weather, and I'd say there I averaged a good 
> ride every other weekend throughout the year (more riding in the spring and 
> fall, less in the cold, icy, winters and oppressively hot summers). 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Seattle riding weather

[dstein]

Question for the Seattleites on here. I know the riding is great in and 
around Seattle. Well I don't 'know know', but I imagine it is, lots of 
various terrain and an endless supply of nature and picturesque landscapes. 
But how is the weather for year round riding? Contemplating a move in a 
year or two, possibly to Seattle since that is where my company is based 
out of and my job is supposed to be. I know it rains a lot. I hear the 
weather is shitty like 9 months out of the year. But I've been spending a 
lot of time there recently and it seems that while its constantly gray and 
cloudy, its usually not actually raining. Is this the case? Do you find 
that you can get out most weekends on a ride (I work banker hours and 
weekends are my riding time).

To put it in more context: I live in the Bay Area, and am spoiled by year 
round world class riding weather. Seriously, there are like 6-7 weekends a 
year when its raining, and when it does it rains it does so for a few weeks 
straight and I eventually end up suiting up in some rain proof garb and 
going for it, and usually end up hating every second of it, but hard to 
complain since it rains so seldom. I previously lived in Tennessee, where I 
was used to more inclemental weather, and I'd say there I averaged a good 
ride every other weekend throughout the year (more riding in the spring and 
fall, less in the cold, icy, winters and oppressively hot summers). 


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[RBW] Re: My Joe Appaloosa

[dougP]

For a guy who only got into it today, you sure work fast!  That came out 
beautiful.  On the pedal question, Wellgo supplies some to REI that are 
metal (probably re-cycled aluminum) with a rubber insert on the shoe 
surfaces.  They retail for less than $20 & are ideal for flip-flop or 
sandals in general.  Recently I picked up a couple pair of Ergon pedals at 
REI's online outlet.  These are plastic, sorta foot shaped & have a 3M 
non-skid surface.  When they came out they were IIRC $80 which seem a bit 
much for plastic.  On the outlet they were under $30.  I've ridden these 
off-road & like them better than the Wellgos, which are perfectly 
serviceable too.  

dougP

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>
>
> 
>
>
> 
> I picked up my Joe Appaloosa Thursday night.  I had to pack that night for 
> a bike race, and the race consumed my Friday and Saturday for the most 
> part.  I went ahead and did my first pass at making it mine.  I installed 
> Dutch paddle grips, trimmed all the cables and housing, and wrapped the 
> forward part of the Choco Bullmoose bars with yellow Newbaums, shellacked 
> with amber.  
>
> I've also installed an R-14 rack and a Saddlesack Medium.  As pictured the 
> Choco Moose bars are slammed.  My SH is 75.5cm.  That's a 55cm Appaloosa.
>
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Re: [RBW] My Joe Appaloosa

[James Warren]

Good enough for me. Thanks!


On Mar 6, 2016, at 6:22 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The rear loop of the saddle is narrower than the spacing of the saddlebag 
> loops, but there are no sharp edges, so I'm not disqualifying the saddle on 
> these grounds.  
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 6:12:31 PM UTC-8, James Warren wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> 
> Great. Congrats!
> 
> How are you liking the way the saddlebag attaches to the rear of the saddle? 
> I've been curious about those saddles that are not Brooks, but saddlebag 
> loops of some kind are a requirement for me.
> 
> -James
> 
> 
> On Mar 6, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I picked up my Joe Appaloosa Thursday night.  I had to pack that night for a 
>> bike race, and the race consumed my Friday and Saturday for the most part.  
>> I went ahead and did my first pass at making it mine.  I installed Dutch 
>> paddle grips, trimmed all the cables and housing, and wrapped the forward 
>> part of the Choco Bullmoose bars with yellow Newbaums, shellacked with 
>> amber.  
>> 
>> I've also installed an R-14 rack and a Saddlesack Medium.  As pictured the 
>> Choco Moose bars are slammed.  My SH is 75.5cm.  That's a 55cm Appaloosa.
>> 
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Hugh Smitham]

I completely relate.
On Mar 6, 2016 5:58 PM, "Pondero"  wrote:

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> in my brain that are better left un-thought.
>
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Re: [RBW] My Joe Appaloosa

[Bill Lindsay]

The rear loop of the saddle is narrower than the spacing of the saddlebag 
loops, but there are no sharp edges, so I'm not disqualifying the saddle on 
these grounds.  



On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 6:12:31 PM UTC-8, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> Bill,
>
> Great. Congrats!
>
> How are you liking the way the saddlebag attaches to the rear of the 
> saddle? I've been curious about those saddles that are not Brooks, but 
> saddlebag loops of some kind are a requirement for me.
>
> -James
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
> I picked up my Joe Appaloosa Thursday night.  I had to pack that night for 
> a bike race, and the race consumed my Friday and Saturday for the most 
> part.  I went ahead and did my first pass at making it mine.  I installed 
> Dutch paddle grips, trimmed all the cables and housing, and wrapped the 
> forward part of the Choco Bullmoose bars with yellow Newbaums, shellacked 
> with amber.  
>
> I've also installed an R-14 rack and a Saddlesack Medium.  As pictured the 
> Choco Moose bars are slammed.  My SH is 75.5cm.  That's a 55cm Appaloosa.
>
> Bill Lindsay
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Re: [RBW] My Joe Appaloosa

[James Warren]

And kudos for using the planter-box pedal trick for bike leaning even though 
you had a kickstand available!


On Mar 6, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> 
> I picked up my Joe Appaloosa Thursday night.  I had to pack that night for a 
> bike race, and the race consumed my Friday and Saturday for the most part.  I 
> went ahead and did my first pass at making it mine.  I installed Dutch paddle 
> grips, trimmed all the cables and housing, and wrapped the forward part of 
> the Choco Bullmoose bars with yellow Newbaums, shellacked with amber.  
> 
> I've also installed an R-14 rack and a Saddlesack Medium.  As pictured the 
> Choco Moose bars are slammed.  My SH is 75.5cm.  That's a 55cm Appaloosa.
> 
> Bill Lindsay
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 54cm Quickbeam on Los Angeles Craigslist

[Joe Bernard]

"Dude, your bike is dope."

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Re: [RBW] My Joe Appaloosa

[James Warren]

Bill,

Great. Congrats!

How are you liking the way the saddlebag attaches to the rear of the saddle? 
I've been curious about those saddles that are not Brooks, but saddlebag loops 
of some kind are a requirement for me.

-James


On Mar 6, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> 
> I picked up my Joe Appaloosa Thursday night.  I had to pack that night for a 
> bike race, and the race consumed my Friday and Saturday for the most part.  I 
> went ahead and did my first pass at making it mine.  I installed Dutch paddle 
> grips, trimmed all the cables and housing, and wrapped the forward part of 
> the Choco Bullmoose bars with yellow Newbaums, shellacked with amber.  
> 
> I've also installed an R-14 rack and a Saddlesack Medium.  As pictured the 
> Choco Moose bars are slammed.  My SH is 75.5cm.  That's a 55cm Appaloosa.
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Pondero]

I really must stop reading this thread.  It seems to be planting thoughts 
in my brain that are better left un-thought.

Chris Johnson
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[RBW] Re: My Joe Appaloosa

[Bruce Smitham]

Like!

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 5:06:12 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
> I picked up my Joe Appaloosa Thursday night.  I had to pack that night for 
> a bike race, and the race consumed my Friday and Saturday for the most 
> part.  I went ahead and did my first pass at making it mine.  I installed 
> Dutch paddle grips, trimmed all the cables and housing, and wrapped the 
> forward part of the Choco Bullmoose bars with yellow Newbaums, shellacked 
> with amber.  
>
> I've also installed an R-14 rack and a Saddlesack Medium.  As pictured the 
> Choco Moose bars are slammed.  My SH is 75.5cm.  That's a 55cm Appaloosa.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: My Joe Appaloosa

[Bill Lindsay]

I do like the pedals a lot.  It's got a great sealed bearing.  They install 
with an 8mm allen from the inside (no pedal wrench flats).  The black body 
is plastic, with medals spikes.  There's a model number K926 with a wavy 
logo preceding it.  I think that might make them Wellgo brand, but I can't 
find any online info for that model number.  They might be strictly OEM 
pedals.   

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 5:33:32 PM UTC-8, sameness wrote:
>
> LOOKER
>
> Love seeing other folks' bikes in my size, SH and all. That girl is arm 
> candy.
>
> How are those pedals, and any idea what they are? Never used spikes 
> before, need something for flip flop season.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CAUSA
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[RBW] Re: Crack in the Sam headtube??

['Mike Schiller' via RBW Owners Bunch]

having spent a lot of time in my career  looking at weld and braze cracking 
in  the process of building rocket engines I'm not so sure its a crack 
from the pictures taken.  And I seriously doubt anyone at Riv could tell 
without seeing the actual bike.  I think more paint needs to be removed to 
make it more visible.  I would look in your area for a framebuilder who 
does lugged bikes and have he/she look at it  before sending it across the 
country to Riv.
If it is a crack, it most likely occurred during the original frame 
fabrication from overheating during brazing.  I have a hard time seeing how 
this could be use related in this location.   

~mike
Carlsbad Ca


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[RBW] Re: My Joe Appaloosa

[sameness]

LOOKER

Love seeing other folks' bikes in my size, SH and all. That girl is arm 
candy.

How are those pedals, and any idea what they are? Never used spikes before, 
need something for flip flop season.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CAUSA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crack in the Sam headtube??

[cyclotourist]

Yeah, send to Riv. Looks like the lug point might have caused some sort of
a stress-riser there.

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 5:01 PM, John Hawrylak 
wrote:

> I would say either
> Tube defect from the tube manufacturer
> Overheating during the brazing process with a lug having a ID too large
> and out of specification
>
> The small crack coming out of the large upper crack is puzzling
> The lug seems to have excessive space to the tube
>
> Second the suggestion to contact RBW, but as 2nd owner
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
> On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 5:27:28 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
>> I was performing a very rare bike cleaning and saw a bit of a chip in the
>> paint of the headtube on my Sam. It is a 60cm, single top tube orange one
>> with side pulls, if you are interested. I am the second ownder and have put
>> 5000 or so miles on it over the last three years.
>> Can you all take a look at the two photos posted here
>>  and
>> let me know what you think?
>> Is it a crack? Yes, it looks like that. It is right where the point of
>> the lug is, which must add some kind of stress? Metallurgists and engineers
>> please chime in.
>> What to do about it? Replace the head tube? What size of a job is that?
>> Does every city (even a not very bikey city like Nashville) have someone
>> who could do this?
>> Any other wisdom would be appreciated.
>>
>> Why does steel have to be THIS real?
>>
>> Edwin
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[RBW] My Joe Appaloosa

[WETH]

A beautiful build!  Looking forward to a few ride reports.

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[RBW] My Joe Appaloosa

[Bill Lindsay]

I picked up my Joe Appaloosa Thursday night.  I had to pack that night for 
a bike race, and the race consumed my Friday and Saturday for the most 
part.  I went ahead and did my first pass at making it mine.  I installed 
Dutch paddle grips, trimmed all the cables and housing, and wrapped the 
forward part of the Choco Bullmoose bars with yellow Newbaums, shellacked 
with amber.  

I've also installed an R-14 rack and a Saddlesack Medium.  As pictured the 
Choco Moose bars are slammed.  My SH is 75.5cm.  That's a 55cm Appaloosa.

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El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Crack in the Sam headtube??

[John Hawrylak]

I would say either
Tube defect from the tube manufacturer
Overheating during the brazing process with a lug having a ID too large and 
out of specification

The small crack coming out of the large upper crack is puzzling
The lug seems to have excessive space to the tube

Second the suggestion to contact RBW, but as 2nd owner 

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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> I was performing a very rare bike cleaning and saw a bit of a chip in the 
> paint of the headtube on my Sam. It is a 60cm, single top tube orange one 
> with side pulls, if you are interested. I am the second ownder and have put 
> 5000 or so miles on it over the last three years.
> Can you all take a look at the two photos posted here 
>  and 
> let me know what you think?
> Is it a crack? Yes, it looks like that. It is right where the point of the 
> lug is, which must add some kind of stress? Metallurgists and engineers 
> please chime in.
> What to do about it? Replace the head tube? What size of a job is that? 
> Does every city (even a not very bikey city like Nashville) have someone 
> who could do this?
> Any other wisdom would be appreciated.
>
> Why does steel have to be THIS real?
>
> Edwin
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 54cm Quickbeam on Los Angeles Craigslist

[cyclotourist]

All the pros are doing it, so it must be a good idea!

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I fit both of those bikes - 51 for drops, 54 for Albas - but I'd have to
> put an electric hub on them to climb the hills around here. Hmm...
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Re: [RBW] FS Wald basket and various Riv Sackville bags

[Jason Braaten]

Thanks Bruce, its a great deal, however I am set on grey to match my grey
Hunq.

On Sunday, March 6, 2016, Bruce Smitham  wrote:

> Hi Jason,
>
> The shopsack is olive. Sorry about not wring that in the post. I'll have
> to include that.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce
>
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>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is the medium shopsack w waldbasket Grey or Olive?  It looks Olive,
>> however just wanted to make sure.  I need a grey medium shopsack, if grey I
>> will take it.  Sorry, I think I'm half colorblind
>>
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>> Jasonjbraaten at gmail
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Re: [RBW] FS Wald basket and various Riv Sackville bags

[Bruce Smitham]

Hi Jason,

The shopsack is olive. Sorry about not wring that in the post. I'll have to
include that.

Thanks,

Bruce

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>
> Is the medium shopsack w waldbasket Grey or Olive?  It looks Olive,
> however just wanted to make sure.  I need a grey medium shopsack, if grey I
> will take it.  Sorry, I think I'm half colorblind
>
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> Jasonjbraaten at gmail
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Re: [RBW] PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[James Warren]

Yet that naked road bike is on a dirt trail in the brochure photo.

I too dug out that brochure this morning!


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> On Mar 6, 2016, at 4:16 PM, dougP  wrote:
> 
> This rang a bell & I dug out an old Ram brochure.  The geo chart lists HT 
> angles at 71 in the small sizes, 72, 72.5, then from 58 on up to 68 (wowser!) 
> all are 73 degrees.  
> 
> The 56 is recommended for riders 5'-5" to 5'-9", and 58 for 5'-7" to 5'-11".  
> The specs refer to the color as "an unusual blue" & all photos are blue, with 
> no racks, fenders, front bags, saddle bags and just a little teensy seat bag. 
>  The bike looks positively nekkid and racy compared to most Riv web photos, 
> aside from the Roadeo.  
> 
> dougP
> 
>> On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 1:48:02 PM UTC-8, jay hartman wrote:
>> It's in the old Riv Readers somewhere, but I think the front end geometry 
>> changed over time. The first ones had a 73 degree head angle with a 45 mm 
>> fork rake, at least on the middle sizes. 
>> Jay Hrtman
>> 
>>> On Sunday, March 6, 2016, iamkeith  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 10:50:49 AM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
 Does anyone have the Geo chart for the Ram? I went to the cyclofiend pages 
 and did a quick scan. Thanks,
 
 
 ~Hugh
>>>  
>>> It's in this chart:
>>> 
>>> cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html 
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[RBW] Update: Cheviot tire clearance

[Pondero]

I don't have one, but I'm a Cheviot fan.  What a delightful build that 
is...clean and purposeful.  Well done!

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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Re: [RBW] PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[dougP]

This rang a bell & I dug out an old Ram brochure.  The geo chart lists HT 
angles at 71 in the small sizes, 72, 72.5, then from 58 on up to 68 
(wowser!) all are 73 degrees.  

The 56 is recommended for riders 5'-5" to 5'-9", and 58 for 5'-7" to 
5'-11".  The specs refer to the color as "an unusual blue" & all photos are 
blue, with no racks, fenders, front bags, saddle bags and just a little 
teensy seat bag.  The bike looks positively nekkid and racy compared to 
most Riv web photos, aside from the Roadeo.  

dougP

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>
> It's in the old Riv Readers somewhere, but I think the front end geometry 
> changed over time. The first ones had a 73 degree head angle with a 45 mm 
> fork rake, at least on the middle sizes. 
> Jay Hrtman
>
> On Sunday, March 6, 2016, iamkeith  
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 10:50:49 AM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone have the Geo chart for the Ram? I went to the cyclofiend 
>>> pages and did a quick scan. Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>  
>> It's in this chart:
>>
>> cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto 32F rack; Nitto Mark M1 Flat Rack

[Belopsky]

Bumping bumping?

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[RBW] FS Wald basket and various Riv Sackville bags

[Jason Braaten]

Hi,

Is the medium shopsack w waldbasket Grey or Olive?  It looks Olive, however 
just wanted to make sure.  I need a grey medium shopsack, if grey I will take 
it.  Sorry, I think I'm half colorblind

Jason Braaten
Jasonjbraaten at gmail

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[RBW] Update: Cheviot tire clearance

[David Sprunger]

Colleagues,

I have been enjoying an uncharacteristically nice March day in Fargo by
tooling about on my Cheviot.  Before I got everything wet and dirty, I took
a few pictures, which may be viewed at this link: *http://tinyurl.com/zzcjxwa
*

As I have worked on this bike, I was worried about tire clearance with the
Big Apples and caliper brakes, but as the pictures show, this was not an
issue in the end.

David Sprunger
Fargo, ND

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[RBW] Crack in the Sam headtube??

[islaysteve]

To state the obvious, I think you should send these pix to Riv and see what 
they say, strictly for advise purposes.  You've no doubt read the "No warranty, 
Warranty" on the site.  They may also recommend a frame builder, if it comes to 
that.  Best of luck!

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Re: [RBW] PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Chad]

I believe the Rambo is only about a 10 min away from where I live in KC.

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[RBW] Crack in the Sam headtube??

[Edwin W]

Yes, those pictures are with a little sanding. 

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[RBW] FS Wald basket and various Riv Sackville bags

[Bruce Smitham]

For sale are a few items that I am no longer using or didn't use much to 
begin with:
1.) Rivendell medium sackville shopsack with Wald medium basket and red 
cargo net all in excellent to new condition $75 plus shipping CONUS
2.) Rivendell Sackville Trunksack Large (rear) in olive with waterproof 
cover. I just bought this from another group member but don't need it 
because I'm selling my Sam Hillborne. In great condition $70 plus shipping 
CONUS (It's what I paid)
3.) Rivendell Sackville Saddlesack XS Olive in great condition. A few rubs 
here and there $55 plus shipping CONUS
4.) Rivendell Brand V saddlebag XS in tan in good to great condition $45 
plus shipping CONUS

Pictures here: https://flic.kr/s/aHskvXLRHg

Let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,

Bruce in San DIego

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[RBW] p65 fender mudflaps

[dstein]

mounted some p65 fenders on my hunqapillar with rat trap pass tires. these 
don't come with mudflaps though, anyone use these and find one that works 
with these wide fenders? Just looking for one for the front.

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Re: [RBW] Re: IQ-X Headlight

['Jack' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've been on the list since last Fall at xxcycles in France to be notified 
when the IQ-X is available. Haven't heard anything from them.
bike24 shows the black IQ-X in stock but the silver model is not available 
at this time. I just ordered the black model, we'll see what happens. 
Peter White's website indicates he has the IQ-X in stock for $146. 
Evidently this light is finally in production. I'll anxious to see how good 
it is.

On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 11:33:54 PM UTC-5, bo richardson wrote:

> i have had one on order from bike24since late dec or early Jan 
> and mine has not arrived and no notice of shipping
> no VAT from bike24 which is cool
>
> if eric got his, mine should be not far behind
>
> Bo Richardson
> Bellingham
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Re: [RBW] Crack in the Sam headtube??

[Eric Norris]

OK, let me say first of all that I’m not an expert and *not* a metallurgist.

However … yes, that looks like a crack to me, but I’m not sure I’d be worried 
about a catastrophic failure anytime soon. 

Not being an expert, I’m trying to puzzle out what the stresses are on the head 
tube, and I can’t think of any like those that would affect, say, the bottom of 
the seat or down tubes, where you have a lot of forces and torsion from the 
drivetrain. Yes, there must be some forces there, but not as concentrated.

I would watch the crack and see if it spreads any further. Any reasonably 
skilled framebuilder can put a new head tube in, but with repainting you’re 
going to be looking at several hundred dollars worth of fixing.

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> On Mar 6, 2016, at 2:27 PM, Edwin W  wrote:
> 
> I was performing a very rare bike cleaning and saw a bit of a chip in the 
> paint of the headtube on my Sam. It is a 60cm, single top tube orange one 
> with side pulls, if you are interested. I am the second ownder and have put 
> 5000 or so miles on it over the last three years.
> Can you all take a look at the two photos posted here 
>  and let 
> me know what you think?
> Is it a crack? Yes, it looks like that. It is right where the point of the 
> lug is, which must add some kind of stress? Metallurgists and engineers 
> please chime in.
> What to do about it? Replace the head tube? What size of a job is that? Does 
> every city (even a not very bikey city like Nashville) have someone who could 
> do this?
> Any other wisdom would be appreciated.
> 
> Why does steel have to be THIS real?
> 
> Edwin
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[RBW] Crack in the Sam headtube??

[Bill Lindsay]

You sanded off the paint and then took the pictures, right?

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 54cm Quickbeam on Los Angeles Craigslist

[Joe Bernard]

I fit both of those bikes - 51 for drops, 54 for Albas - but I'd have to put an 
electric hub on them to climb the hills around here. Hmm...

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Re: [RBW] PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Hugh Smitham]

That's a really nice offer Chad. Personally I'm really happy its not a
58cm. I'm currently in the thinning the herd process. Perhaps if and when a
58cm that looks like this I be ready to pull the trigger.  Who ever gets
this one will be extraordinarily lucky.

~Hugh
On Mar 6, 2016 2:35 PM, "Chad"  wrote:

> I think this may be the same seller that i bought a bike from last year.
> The seller also has a 94 RB-1 for sale.  I'd be happy to check the frame
> out in person if someone here is seriously interested in it.  If it was a
> 52 or 54, I'd be all over it!
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Re: [RBW] Rene's Hungapillar: Version 3.0

[René Sterental]

Very nice job Brian! So glad you're putting it to such good use. You'll be
amazed at the handling once you out a heavier front load.

So funny that you say it feels slightly large. I'm 5'11" and it didn't feel
large to me. The 60 Bombadil I had first did though.

It seems like you're going to enjoy it a lot. I'm so happy for you!

René

On Sunday, March 6, 2016, Brian Campbell  wrote:

> I was the proud purchaser of Rene's Hunq frame with the low trail fork.
> Already having a 61cm Hilsen, the Hunq was acquired with off-road riding in
> mind. I finally got it finished last night and was able to spend about 3
> hrs on it this morning. Lots of fun, the low trail fork does a really good
> job with handling at low speeds. It is on the large side for me, I fall "in
> between" on the Riv sizing scale, I am 6'1" 185 with a longer torso, so
> this seems to be working. There were a couple of dismounts that reminded me
> that the top tube was there but since I have 2 kids and won't be needing
> anymore, it should work.
>
> Here is a link to the pics to prove it happened. I need to tighten down
> the headset and adjust the front brake to stop a minor squeal. The
> chainrings are place holders until I determine the final configuration.
> Thanks again Rene!
>
> http://s91.photobucket.com/user/bylar13/library/Hunqapillar?sort=2=1
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[RBW] PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Chad]

I think this may be the same seller that i bought a bike from last year.  The 
seller also has a 94 RB-1 for sale.  I'd be happy to check the frame out in 
person if someone here is seriously interested in it.  If it was a 52 or 54, 
I'd be all over it!

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[RBW] Crack in the Sam headtube??

[Edwin W]

I was performing a very rare bike cleaning and saw a bit of a chip in the 
paint of the headtube on my Sam. It is a 60cm, single top tube orange one 
with side pulls, if you are interested. I am the second ownder and have put 
5000 or so miles on it over the last three years.
Can you all take a look at the two photos posted here 
 and let 
me know what you think?
Is it a crack? Yes, it looks like that. It is right where the point of the 
lug is, which must add some kind of stress? Metallurgists and engineers 
please chime in.
What to do about it? Replace the head tube? What size of a job is that? 
Does every city (even a not very bikey city like Nashville) have someone 
who could do this?
Any other wisdom would be appreciated.

Why does steel have to be THIS real?

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Jason Hartman]

It's in the old Riv Readers somewhere, but I think the front end geometry
changed over time. The first ones had a 73 degree head angle with a 45 mm
fork rake, at least on the middle sizes.
Jay Hrtman

On Sunday, March 6, 2016, iamkeith  wrote:

>
>
> On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 10:50:49 AM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have the Geo chart for the Ram? I went to the cyclofiend
>> pages and did a quick scan. Thanks,
>>
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>
> It's in this chart:
>
> cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html
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Re: [RBW] JoAppa has arrived!

[WETH]

That is a great looking bike! Enjoy!

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[RBW] Rene's Hungapillar: Version 3.0

[Brian Campbell]

I was the proud purchaser of Rene's Hunq frame with the low trail fork. 
Already having a 61cm Hilsen, the Hunq was acquired with off-road riding in 
mind. I finally got it finished last night and was able to spend about 3 
hrs on it this morning. Lots of fun, the low trail fork does a really good 
job with handling at low speeds. It is on the large side for me, I fall "in 
between" on the Riv sizing scale, I am 6'1" 185 with a longer torso, so 
this seems to be working. There were a couple of dismounts that reminded me 
that the top tube was there but since I have 2 kids and won't be needing 
anymore, it should work.

Here is a link to the pics to prove it happened. I need to tighten down the 
headset and adjust the front brake to stop a minor squeal. The chainrings 
are place holders until I determine the final configuration. Thanks again 
Rene!

http://s91.photobucket.com/user/bylar13/library/Hunqapillar?sort=2=1

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Re: [RBW] JoAppa has arrived!

[René Sterental]

Nice. Enjoy it!

On Sunday, March 6, 2016, Patrick Kelly  wrote:

> I did in fact pick up my new joe yesterday. It was raining all day
> yesterday, so didn't get a chance to get any photos. But today is
> basically gorgeous in SF, so I got to take some photos.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/phlatphrog/sets/72157665354969562/
>
> I managed to snag one of the very last longboy racks before they were
> sold out. Riv stashed it somewhere for me, and Mark installed it
> before pickup. I requested that it be mounted on the lower mount
> point, rather than on the mount point on the seat stay. I was confused
> by looking at this photo: https://www.instagram.com/p/9ejXZlLxFD/ It
> looked to me like the top of the rack is way too high over the tire.
> What I didn't realize is that that is a 650b wheel. That is a size 51
> joe app, while mine is a size 55, with 700c wheels. When I was at riv
> HQ Mark happened to walk through, and he explained to me that the
> lower mount point is actually even lower than most bikes because the 2
> mount points near the rear axle are rotated back a bit, compared to
> other bikes. In order to actually mount the longboy there, he had to
> trip a bit of metal off the mounting tab on the rack. (You can see
> that here: https://flic.kr/p/DZbVDj) So at this point, the rack fit is
> quite tight, and I may actually need to raise it if I put fatter tires
> on.
>
> The other tweaks, so far, are that I swapped the saddle, the brake
> levers, and put on some grip rings.
>
> I have a brooks b17 that I might swap to, or I might stick with this
> one. Was not too excited about the standard saddle.
>
> The standard brake levers can be mounted, as I received the bike, with
> the bolts sticking up, and into your hands if you try to grip in that
> area, or if you reverse the levers, with the bolts almost blocking the
> gear shift levers. I did try it reversed, and it did work, and they
> were not stabbing my hands, but I opted to get some brake levers that
> give a little bit more wiggle room.
>
> I'm sort of planning to wrap the bars. The grip rings are not
> permanent, but they're easy (well, relatively easy) to put on/remove,
> and I can try different positions for the levers for a while before I
> do anything "permanent" with bar tape.
>
> The bag tied to the rack is for a ride this afternoon. I don't have
> any real bike bags with me. I was planning to maybe purchase a
> backabike bag when I picked up the bike, but it turns out riv is sold
> out of them, in all colors.
>
> I've never had a bike with a kickstand before. Still having to
> remember that I don't have to lean it against things when I want to
> leave it for a second.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
> > Now that you mention it, I didn't see the blue in person either.  All the
> > demos were mustard, and my 'Loosa is mustard.
> >
> > On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 10:49:58 AM UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
> >>
> >> Yup, I received email notice yesterday that my bike is ready. Roughly 24
> >> hours til pickup!
> >>
> >> I'm also eager to see the array of joes at riv HQ. And I still haven't
> >> ever seen the blue in person.
> >>
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[RBW] Re: Google Gone Goofie?

[Garth]

  Nope, not one glitch on many different browsers, both android and linux. 
Firefox, chrome, dolphin, adblock browsers all fine. 

Must be all about you !  Yep . . .  of all the people in the world to 
choose they chose you to monkey around !  


  .. or so the story goes .  . . . . . 

H a H  !I'm joking but then again . . . . if stuff "seems" to hit 
the fan . . . . some-thing or some-body must be the cause .  . . . dammit 
some-one and some-thing must be responsible for this !  

  Oh who can I call ? By George . . . . . Dr. Strangelove !  Yee 
hah !   Ride-em Slim  ! ! 




On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 11:27:26 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Is Google groups web page not loading at all are well for anyone else? 
> It’s not my internet connection because other pages work at the same time. 
> Perhaps Google finally got to know me and this is it’s understandable 
> response. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
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Re: [RBW] JoAppa has arrived!

[Patrick Kelly]

I did in fact pick up my new joe yesterday. It was raining all day
yesterday, so didn't get a chance to get any photos. But today is
basically gorgeous in SF, so I got to take some photos.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/phlatphrog/sets/72157665354969562/

I managed to snag one of the very last longboy racks before they were
sold out. Riv stashed it somewhere for me, and Mark installed it
before pickup. I requested that it be mounted on the lower mount
point, rather than on the mount point on the seat stay. I was confused
by looking at this photo: https://www.instagram.com/p/9ejXZlLxFD/ It
looked to me like the top of the rack is way too high over the tire.
What I didn't realize is that that is a 650b wheel. That is a size 51
joe app, while mine is a size 55, with 700c wheels. When I was at riv
HQ Mark happened to walk through, and he explained to me that the
lower mount point is actually even lower than most bikes because the 2
mount points near the rear axle are rotated back a bit, compared to
other bikes. In order to actually mount the longboy there, he had to
trip a bit of metal off the mounting tab on the rack. (You can see
that here: https://flic.kr/p/DZbVDj) So at this point, the rack fit is
quite tight, and I may actually need to raise it if I put fatter tires
on.

The other tweaks, so far, are that I swapped the saddle, the brake
levers, and put on some grip rings.

I have a brooks b17 that I might swap to, or I might stick with this
one. Was not too excited about the standard saddle.

The standard brake levers can be mounted, as I received the bike, with
the bolts sticking up, and into your hands if you try to grip in that
area, or if you reverse the levers, with the bolts almost blocking the
gear shift levers. I did try it reversed, and it did work, and they
were not stabbing my hands, but I opted to get some brake levers that
give a little bit more wiggle room.

I'm sort of planning to wrap the bars. The grip rings are not
permanent, but they're easy (well, relatively easy) to put on/remove,
and I can try different positions for the levers for a while before I
do anything "permanent" with bar tape.

The bag tied to the rack is for a ride this afternoon. I don't have
any real bike bags with me. I was planning to maybe purchase a
backabike bag when I picked up the bike, but it turns out riv is sold
out of them, in all colors.

I've never had a bike with a kickstand before. Still having to
remember that I don't have to lean it against things when I want to
leave it for a second.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> Now that you mention it, I didn't see the blue in person either.  All the
> demos were mustard, and my 'Loosa is mustard.
>
> On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 10:49:58 AM UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>
>> Yup, I received email notice yesterday that my bike is ready. Roughly 24
>> hours til pickup!
>>
>> I'm also eager to see the array of joes at riv HQ. And I still haven't
>> ever seen the blue in person.
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Google Gone Goofie?

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Hugh. I'm not going to say that after two days of not working but 
.05% of the time and then my grousing here that it's working, but evidence 
points to Google having a grouse filter that changes its behavior within 
minutes. Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
> There are other wonky things that have happened to me with google groups 
> that I've chalked up to user error :)
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[iamkeith]

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 10:50:49 AM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Does anyone have the Geo chart for the Ram? I went to the cyclofiend pages 
> and did a quick scan. Thanks,
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
 
It's in this chart:

cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html 

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[dougP]

Somewhere in the archives is an extensive thread entitled "Is the Ram the 
best Riv ever?" or something similar.  It was a few years ago and the 
general argument was that the Ram was the sweet spot for an all-rounder.  
Light enough to be sporting yet able to carry a light touring load.  IIRC 
owners were passionate about these bikes so that may be a reason why they 
so seldom change hands.  

dougP

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 10:17:48 AM UTC-8, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Looks like the 56cm would fit me with a 80.8cm standover but a 58cm with a 
> 82.8cm would be even better. I don't think I see many 58cm pop up all that 
> often? 
>
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Hugh Smitham  > wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have the Geo chart for the Ram? I went to the cyclofiend 
>> pages and did a quick scan. Thanks,
>>
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Hugh Smitham > > wrote:
>>
>>> I was just pondering that if ever a 56cm popped up I'd throw down for 
>>> one! Dang it timing is everything. It's a beaut though.
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>   Los Angeles, CA
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 9:19:22 PM UTC-8, Chad wrote:

 https://kansascity.craigslist.org/bik/5459510887.html

 Not mine, but wow gorgeous frame!

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 54cm Quickbeam on Los Angeles Craigslist

[cyclotourist]

Yeah, it's a real nice build, with a lot of extras like the hub. Plus that
fast orange color!

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 8:51 AM, dstein  wrote:

> There's another 51cm QB that has been on sale in Sacramento for several
> months now. I bought a 54cm in SF off this list a little over a year ago as
> I thought those sizes (54cm and under) were pretty rare, so surprised to to
> see this and the sacramento ones still there too! I actually offered to buy
> this if he'd ship it, I like the orange color (and dyno hub extra) compared
> to the silver one I have (which color is faster again?)
>
> On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 9:41:42 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Working hard to confuse others since 1994!
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 9:27 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> MCRB? RSR? You kids with the lingo ;)
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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith Jr Size 52 Grey

[RDS]

Price reduction 

I will take $600 for the frame/fork/BB/headset.  The bike will ship from 
Georgia and I will split the shipping cost with the buyer.
I will take $1,000 for the full bike *(handlebars/stem not included)* and I 
will split the shipping cost.
I will ship to the Continental USA only.  Bike is located in Georgia.


** See notes highlighted below concerning the frame


On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 8:23:00 PM UTC-5, RDS wrote:
>
> I have for sale a size 52 Clem Smith Jr Grey frame or semi-complete bike 
> *(minus 
> the handlebars;  replaced the stock tires)*.  I have already sold the 
> stock handlebars that come with the complete bike, so no handlebars are 
> included.  I have replaced the stock tires with Schwalbe Big Ben Raceguard 
> Performance line 48mm wide tires ($45 each at Riv).  Bike has been ridden 
> less than 15 all pavement miles.  So, I will consider any offers from the 
> frame only (frame/fork/headset/BB) to the whole bike (minus the handlebars 
> with the new replacement tires).
>
>
> *NOTE:  When I received the bike from Riv, the top tube had a dent (see 
> pics) that was created during the shipping process.  The top tube has a 
> dent from the handlebars from the shipping process and Riv said that there 
> are not any structural issues to worry about.  I decided the keep the bike 
> at that time after speaking with Riv about the dent.  Pics of 
> dent:  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6Wb8pkSIAX6cUlmM2hDaWxxb00 
> *
>
>
> I will take $650 for the frame/fork/BB/headset.  The bike will ship from 
> Georgia and I will split the shipping cost with the buyer.
> I will take $1,200 for the full bike *(handlebars/stem not included)* and 
> I will pay the shipping cost.
> I will ship to the Continental USA only.  Bike is located in Georgia.
>
>
> * Again, the handlebars (the original bars had the built in stem) are 
> not included and the original tires were replaced with Schwalbe Big Ben, 
> RaceGuard Performance line, wire - 650B x 48 (50-584, 27.5x2) which cost 
> $45 at Riv.*
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Hugh Smitham]

Looks like the 56cm would fit me with a 80.8cm standover but a 58cm with a
82.8cm would be even better. I don't think I see many 58cm pop up all that
often?



~Hugh

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On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Does anyone have the Geo chart for the Ram? I went to the cyclofiend pages
> and did a quick scan. Thanks,
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Hugh Smitham 
> wrote:
>
>> I was just pondering that if ever a 56cm popped up I'd throw down for
>> one! Dang it timing is everything. It's a beaut though.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>   Los Angeles, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 9:19:22 PM UTC-8, Chad wrote:
>>>
>>> https://kansascity.craigslist.org/bik/5459510887.html
>>>
>>> Not mine, but wow gorgeous frame!
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Hugh Smitham]

Does anyone have the Geo chart for the Ram? I went to the cyclofiend pages
and did a quick scan. Thanks,


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> I was just pondering that if ever a 56cm popped up I'd throw down for one!
> Dang it timing is everything. It's a beaut though.
>
> ~Hugh
>   Los Angeles, CA
>
> On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 9:19:22 PM UTC-8, Chad wrote:
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 54cm Quickbeam on Los Angeles Craigslist

[Belopsky]

if this was local i'd buy it but i dont need bikes.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[Hugh Smitham]

I was just pondering that if ever a 56cm popped up I'd throw down for one! 
Dang it timing is everything. It's a beaut though.

~Hugh
  Los Angeles, CA

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[RBW] Re: Google Gone Goofie?

[Hugh Smitham]

Hi Patrick,

I have had this problem too! It's occurred on all my platforms, desktop, 
tablet and phone. There are other wonky things that have happened to me 
with google groups that I've chalked up to user error :) Like my recent 
post update on for sale items. I changed items text color to denote an item 
that is sold and for some arbitrary reason it came out pell mell. Darn 
internet :) 

~Hugh "scratching his head" Smitham

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rat trap pass tires on Atlantis

[Hugh Smitham]

Thanks for the picture Dave. So there's more room in the rear? And a
calipered measurement would be great. Looks like SKS fenders might work but
metal fenders might be a no go?

~Hugh

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On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 5:42 AM, Dave Johnston  wrote:

>
> 
> It might depend on your particular model. on my 56cm there is plenty of
> room on the rear but its a bit tight under the crown on the front. I'd like
> to see more room on the front, but it is still more than most sidepull
> setups. I can't take measurements right now but I can post a photo.
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 12:29:35 AM UTC-5, KTY wrote:
>>
>> Hey Aaron, do you think there's any chance of getting fenders in there
>> with the RTPs? I'd be attempting this on a 2003 Atlantis (still technically
>> an Atlantis 2, I believe).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 7:23:00 PM UTC-4, Aaron Young wrote:
>>>
>>> hey gang,
>>>
>>> The Rat Trap Pass tires arrived today. They fit with ample clearance on
>>> my 56 cm Atlantis. On Velocity Aeroheat rims they measure 47mm. Narrow
>>> compared to the Big Bens they replaced (52mm on same rims).
>>>
>>> Instapics:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://instagram.com/p/7JUEnhu37E/
>>>
>>> https://instagram.com/p/7JXIKgO3_u/
>>>
>>> https://instagram.com/p/7JX4ovu3w7/
>>>
>>> Aaron Young
>>> The Dalles, OR
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 54cm Quickbeam on Los Angeles Craigslist

[ted]

Orange of course.
I think the thing with the small sizes is there weren't many made so they are 
rare, but the reason rbw kept the production low is because they don't sell. 
Thus if you want one it'll probably be hard to find, but if you are trying to 
sell one it may take a long time.

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 54cm Quickbeam on Los Angeles Craigslist

[dstein]

There's another 51cm QB that has been on sale in Sacramento for several 
months now. I bought a 54cm in SF off this list a little over a year ago as 
I thought those sizes (54cm and under) were pretty rare, so surprised to to 
see this and the sacramento ones still there too! I actually offered to buy 
this if he'd ship it, I like the orange color (and dyno hub extra) compared 
to the silver one I have (which color is faster again?)

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>> MCRB? RSR? You kids with the lingo ;)
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[RBW] Re: Google Gone Goofie?

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Nope. I'm replying via the GG right now.

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[RBW] Google Gone Goofie?

[Deacon Patrick]

Is Google groups web page not loading at all are well for anyone else? It’s not 
my internet connection because other pages work at the same time. Perhaps 
Google finally got to know me and this is it’s understandable response. Grin.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gevenalle w/bar bag pictures

[Bill Lindsay]

Nice.  It's very true that if you put a little of work and effort into 
choosing a bag that fits your needs and the shifters, and choosing a 
shifter setup that works with you handlebar bag, they can live together 
problem free.  I like that setup a lot

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> not a problem. i use vee brake noodles to angle the housing downward 
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[RBW] Re: Clem Controls

[Tim Wood]

Thanks guys. 

Kevin, I was able to use the existing shifter cables and didn't have to cut 
them, they were quite long to begin with, and switching to albas also gave me 
some length from the boscos. I got lazy with the brake cables though and was 
able to switch out the levers without even un-hooking the cables at the brake 
so I'll have to go back and shorten those up one day. 

Tim

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotourist]

That Homer will fit in just fine!

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> Count me in, can't wait !!!
> Time to take my Homer up the mountains,
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[RBW] Re: Any Gevenalle users?

[Bill Lindsay]

A potential bummer to a shifter architecture like that is that it could 
interfere with your favorite handlebar bag or basket.  If you never run 
anything up there, then no problem

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> Hey folks,
>
> I saw the Gevenalle shifters at NAHBS last week and have been considering 
> giving their Audax model a go. I really like the Paul thumbies for 
> providing a means of friction shifting near my hand position on Alba bars, 
> and I am interested in getting something similar on drop bars.  
>
> So I'm wondering if any of you have experience with the Gevenalle design. 
> Is there much of a learning curve? Any issues with the shifters interfering 
> with braking when you're riding on the hoods? 
>
> Jack
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[RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[Ado Lucas]

Count me in, can't wait !!!
Time to take my Homer up the mountains,

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[RBW] Re: Clem Controls

[KevinS]

Hey Tim, your Clem looks great. I also have the 59 in Grey and I'm thinking 
about adding bar end shifters. Where you able to keep the existing cables or 
did you need more length for this set-up? Thanks! 

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[RBW] Re: Northern CA riders - help me with route suggestions

[ed k]

Ted, that is an awesome route from Tracy to Walnut Creek via Diablo. The plan 
was a friend would drop me in Sonora, but I may ask her to take me to Tracy on 
her way back to Oakland. But if I cheat like that I may as well go someplace 
really cool for a start. Not sure yet where, there are lots of choices. Maybe 
the best thing is to book a few days of leave and decide once I get there.  The 
trip to Sonora should tell me all I need to know about riding the straight and 
ugly roads. If it is a no-go I could drive back through it to an idyllic start 
point. But I won't drive to Walnut Creek. This is a great opportunity to bike 
Northern Ca. I will take pix and be in touch. Thanks to all for helping me 
think this through. 

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[RBW] Re: Any Gevenalle users?

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I replaced the vintage Ultegra brifters with the Audax shifters on our 
tandem a few years ago. I wasn't able to use bar-end shifters because we 
already had a lever for the drum brake in the end of the bar. The shifters 
work perfect in friction mode on the 3x8 derailleurs.

The shifters are in front of the brake levers, so you don't even know they 
are there until you reach for them to shift.

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> Hey folks,
>
> I saw the Gevenalle shifters at NAHBS last week and have been considering 
> giving their Audax model a go. I really like the Paul thumbies for 
> providing a means of friction shifting near my hand position on Alba bars, 
> and I am interested in getting something similar on drop bars.  
>
> So I'm wondering if any of you have experience with the Gevenalle design. 
> Is there much of a learning curve? Any issues with the shifters interfering 
> with braking when you're riding on the hoods? 
>
> Jack
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Controls

[Ron Mc]

I have to agree on index shifters for 9-sp and higher.  I have my first 
ever, Microshift thumbies, which i went for after the Microshift bar-ends 
worked so well on my daughter's go-fast. 
Good-looking setup.  

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 6:04:00 AM UTC-6, islaysteve wrote:
>
> It's good to hear that the better controls solved your problem and that 
> you're enjoying your new bike. Index shifting is indeed somewhat under 
> appreciated around here.  Best wishes for the recovery if your daughter. 
>  It must be tough on her and on her parents!  Take care, Steve

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[RBW] PSA: NOS 56 Rambouillett on KC Craigslist

[islaysteve]

This looks like the Ram that a list member posted about a short while ago.
Beautiful.

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[RBW] Clem Controls

[islaysteve]

It's good to hear that the better controls solved your problem and that you're 
enjoying your new bike. Index shifting is indeed somewhat under appreciated 
around here.  Best wishes for the recovery if your daughter.  It must be tough 
on her and on her parents!  Take care, Steve

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[RBW] Re: Northern CA riders - help me with route suggestions

[Garth]

If you want to ride Ed .. just ride .. the circumstances take  are of 
themselves.  

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