date:20160323

I stand corrected, don't know where I picked that bad info up. If anyone wants 
my green for their orange, I'd be happy to swap. I've got two green bikes with 
a rumored to be green Clem on the way.
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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

2016-03-23 Thread Anne Paulson

Definitely take the route that goes past Corbin; it's spectacular. Be
ready for some walking. Have a good way to secure your food from
grizzly bears.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Mark Reimer  wrote:
> I have no idea hahaha!! You've ridden the divide haven't you? What would you 
> suggest?
>
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Anne Paulson  wrote:
>>
>> When you arrive in Sparwood, BC, will you be heading on to Fernie, or
>> will you start up the Crowsnest Pass and up past Corbin?
>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Mark Reimer  wrote:
>>> Resurrecting this old-ish thread just to share the news that I've booked my
>>> flights and will be riding the Atlantis, or should I say Fatlantis, from
>>> Jasper to Missoula from July 6-17. Locals tell me there is much more
>>> snowpack than is typical this year, so I'm hoping by early July that will
>>> have melted down a bit. That said, I am certainly no stranger to pushing my
>>> Atlantis through deep snow for hours on end...
>>>
>>> Now on to the fun part, planning the trip details!
>>>
>>>
 On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 3:51:18 PM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:

 Thanks Anne. I am used to Chupas and like them a lot.
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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

I have no idea hahaha!! You've ridden the divide haven't you? What would you 
suggest?

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Anne Paulson  wrote:
> 
> When you arrive in Sparwood, BC, will you be heading on to Fernie, or
> will you start up the Crowsnest Pass and up past Corbin?
> 
>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Mark Reimer  wrote:
>> Resurrecting this old-ish thread just to share the news that I've booked my
>> flights and will be riding the Atlantis, or should I say Fatlantis, from
>> Jasper to Missoula from July 6-17. Locals tell me there is much more
>> snowpack than is typical this year, so I'm hoping by early July that will
>> have melted down a bit. That said, I am certainly no stranger to pushing my
>> Atlantis through deep snow for hours on end...
>> 
>> Now on to the fun part, planning the trip details!
>> 
>> 
>>> On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 3:51:18 PM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Anne. I am used to Chupas and like them a lot.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

2016-03-23 Thread Bill Lindsay

"It's also been mentioned (in some thread about Joes) that the rear hub 
is loud. It's not the loudest I've heard, but it is louder than 
average. Personally I find this to be a feature, since you can stop 
pedaling a bit when coming up behind people and they may hear you 
coming. It's less alarming than a bell. "

Back to rear hubs.  This one is amazingly easy to take apart.  From the 
moment my Appaloosa was hanging on its hook, pre-overhaul, to the moment it 
was hanging back up after I was done, was maybe 5 minutes.  It comes apart 
with two 5mm allen keys and one 10mm allen key.

1.  Drop the rear wheel
2.  Pull the cassette (optional)
3.  Use the two 5mm keys to unscrew and remove one endcap
4.  10mm key goes in the exposed axle, and a 5mm unscrews the other endcap
5.  Pull the freehub body off with your hands to expose the pawls which 
live in the hubshell.  The drive ring is part of the freehub body

I used Finish Line Wet chain lube to quiet it down just a little, and threw 
it back together.  Super easy.

Anyway, the notable highlight that really struck me was in contrast to the 
high end Mavic wheels I've overhauled recently for the race team.  One set 
of Crossmax and one set of Ksyrium.  Both these really expensive Mavic 
wheels have exactly two pawls for freehub engagement.  Each pawl engages 
with one notch in the driveshell.  This Silver hub has SIX pawls, and each 
of those six pawls engages with two notches.  It's a much nicer design.  I 
know Rivendell didn't design it, but it's a solid design and I'm glad they 
selected it.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: How many 68cm Quickbeams were made?

2016-03-23 Thread BSWP

No orange 68cm QuickBeams? Are you certain?

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 5:49:24 PM UTC-7, Kainalu wrote:
>
> Wondering if anyone knows how many 68cm Quickbeams were made in total. I 
> know they're all dark green and that there were no more than 200 of the 
> green frames in total. 
> I assume there are many more 58s than 68s due to demand. Just curious and 
> I've bugged Riv enough lately to not want to ask too many dumb questions of 
> the source.
> Thanks
> -Kai
> Brooklyn, NY
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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

2016-03-23 Thread Anne Paulson

When you arrive in Sparwood, BC, will you be heading on to Fernie, or
will you start up the Crowsnest Pass and up past Corbin?

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Mark Reimer  wrote:
> Resurrecting this old-ish thread just to share the news that I've booked my
> flights and will be riding the Atlantis, or should I say Fatlantis, from
> Jasper to Missoula from July 6-17. Locals tell me there is much more
> snowpack than is typical this year, so I'm hoping by early July that will
> have melted down a bit. That said, I am certainly no stranger to pushing my
> Atlantis through deep snow for hours on end...
>
> Now on to the fun part, planning the trip details!
>
>
> On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 3:51:18 PM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Anne. I am used to Chupas and like them a lot.
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[RBW] Re: How many 68cm Quickbeams were made?

Yup.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 62cm Saluki

Bleriots are so nice!

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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

2016-03-23 Thread dougP

Mark:

As an Atlantis owner, I follow your adventures with interest.  I esp. like 
you slogging thru the snow with your buddies on fat bikes.  I got an 
Atlantis because I needed (wanted?) a touring bike but only in the most 
general sense.  I've done plenty of paved road tours, camping, etc., but 
nothing off-road epic.  It's wonderful to read exploits of people taking 
touring bikes where no one ever expected them to be.  Any photos, reports, 
etc., will be much appreciated.

dougP

On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 12:44:55 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
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> Oh indeed I do. If I'm not using up time away to ride my bike, it's pretty 
> much always spent scrambling and hiking in the mountains. I've done a few 
> snow traverses which required ice axes and such for self rescue in the 
> event of a fall. However, lugging a loaded bike across with me will 
> be.erm..interesting at best. 
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
>> Right on! You no doubt know this, but just in case ... snow slopes are 
>> very different from snow fields. Slip on a field, you fall. Slip on a 
>> slope, you slide and it all depends on where you are as to what happens 
>> next. I've crossed some amazingly drifted trails and roads that had one 
>> wild ride waiting if I misstepped, whether I had a bike with me or not. 
>> Sardonic grin.
>>
>> My two eldest daughters and I are in the process of plotting our Colorado 
>> Super Loop (which for us will be at most Leadville - Aspen - Crested Butte 
>> - Mt. Princeton Western). They are learning the whole process of reading 
>> someone else's (incomplete) route notes online, matching those to maps, and 
>> then eventually how that all pans out on the trail. Fun stuff!
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 12:23:23 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>> Resurrecting this old-ish thread just to share the news that I've booked 
>>> my flights and will be riding the Atlantis, or should I say Fatlantis, from 
>>> Jasper to Missoula from July 6-17. Locals tell me there is much more 
>>> snowpack than is typical this year, so I'm hoping by early July that will 
>>> have melted down a bit. That said, I am certainly no stranger to pushing my 
>>> Atlantis through deep snow for hours on end...
>>>
>>> Now on to the fun part, planning the trip details!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 3:51:18 PM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:

 Thanks Anne. I am used to Chupas and like them a lot.
>>>
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[RBW] WTB: 55cm Roadeo

2016-03-23 Thread Zac Stanley

Preferably with a threadless steerer tube.

Anyone holding?

Thanks,
Zac in Novato

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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

2016-03-23 Thread Pondero

Brilliant!  So glad to hear this.  You are actually doing what I've only 
been dreaming about.  Please consider prolific documentation for us 
dreamers and ponderers.  Who know maybe you'll convince me I could actually 
do a portion of that route?

I guess I'll need to wait a day or two, and let the thunder die down, 
before I brag about my upcoming (much tamer) tours.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: How many 68cm Quickbeams were made?

Did you buy that 68 off the Big Bikes list?

KJ


On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 8:49:24 PM UTC-4, Kainalu wrote:
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> Wondering if anyone knows how many 68cm Quickbeams were made in total. I 
> know they're all dark green and that there were no more than 200 of the 
> green frames in total. 
> I assume there are many more 58s than 68s due to demand. Just curious and 
> I've bugged Riv enough lately to not want to ask too many dumb questions of 
> the source.
> Thanks
> -Kai
> Brooklyn, NY
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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: FS: Some new things, some posted before: cycling pants, pedals, courier bag

Kurt: Knickers mailed today priority; cost was $11.35.

Thanks for your patience. Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Headset/headclip question & Philbrock

2016-03-23 Thread Matt Beecher

wrong forum.  sorry guys.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 62cm Saluki

2016-03-23 Thread Dick Denning

Justin: 

This may/may not be a good alternative for you.  I have a 61 Bleriot (f 
and headset) that I would be interested in selling.  I bought the f and 
headset from another list member a few years ago.  I intended to build it 
up but it never happened.  Not a Saluki and not a 62, but in the 
neighborhood.  A few normal scratches/scuffs, no dings, an 8.5(?) out of 
10.  Let me know if interested and I'll answer any questions you might 
have. 

Thanks, 

Dick

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> The search continues...
>
> I've been wanting a nice 650b bike for some time now and am very 
> interested in a Saluki. I'd prefer just a frameset but will entertain full 
> bikes if they meet what I am looking for. Thanks!
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[RBW] Headset/headclip question & Philbrock

2016-03-23 Thread Matt Beecher

I bought the Philbrock frameset that Chris outed here a few weeks back.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/50s-C-R-Philbrock-lightweight-bicycle-frame-and-forks-original-headbadge-/121917008367?hash=item1c62d1e9ef:g:1VsAAOSwh-1W3ayq

I'm planning on doing a very simple restoration. That said, I have a
couple quick questions regarding this headset type.

A. Please help me with terminology. Are these called headclips? If the
picture works, the piece I am inquiring about is on the left.
B. Should it take a standard steerer size, or should I expect to be some
oddball size? If so, what sizes are common for an English bike? I'm
mostly interested because I think I need to replace the headtube. (Threads
are worn and it looks like the threads were welded onto the frame and they
appear to be cracking.) ?
C. Does anyone have a lead on a lockring for the top, preferably something
that has a nice patina? I've got a couple shiny chrome ones I can use
until I find one, but I assume this is a worn out nickel plated headset.
D. Should the slot on the steerer run all the way to the top.

Thanks,
Matt Beecher
Oswego, IL

PS. For those that are interested, I am thinking of either going with a SA
IGH build or maybe use an Osgear kit that I have been hoarding for a couple
years.

Thanks Chris!

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[RBW] How many 68cm Quickbeams were made?

Wondering if anyone knows how many 68cm Quickbeams were made in total. I 
know they're all dark green and that there were no more than 200 of the 
green frames in total. 
I assume there are many more 58s than 68s due to demand. Just curious and 
I've bugged Riv enough lately to not want to ask too many dumb questions of 
the source.
Thanks
-Kai
Brooklyn, NY

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[RBW] New Frame Day!

2016-03-23 Thread WETH

Congrats.  That is a nice stable of bikes you have!

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Re: [RBW] On tire supple-itude


Compass is as close to you as it is to me, no farther away than the mailbox.

On 03/23/2016 06:17 PM, ian m wrote:
Unfortunately the 650b hasn't really made any inroads here yet so I 
have basically 0 options for looking at tires 


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[RBW] Re: WTB: Acorn Handlebar bag

2016-03-23 Thread drew

bumping this. i found one on the list (thanks patrick), and liked it so 
much that my wife wants one for her bike now. 
black or green. let me know if you have something. 

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Re: [RBW] On tire supple-itude

2016-03-23 Thread ian m

Living in Pittsburgh, PA these both look like the roads I ride daily, along 
with some nowhere-near-level brick and thrashed cobbestone streets thrown 
in for good measure. I think the smoothest surfaces I ride often tend to be 
the trail shortcuts through the large city park I live next to.

Interesting responses in here so far. The Thunder Burt stands out as a tire 
I would never have thought to look at. Unfortunately the 650b hasn't really 
made any inroads here yet so I have basically 0 options for looking at 
tires aside from the stray 27.5 MTB knobby that a couple shops might stock. 
Lots of fat tires though! So experimenting with a half dozen different 
models of tires I have to mailorder for $100+/pair is not a feasible option 
for me.

The supple vs. strong dichotomy is exactly what I'm hoping to get beyond. 
It's the in-between I'm interested in. I'm a light, non-aggressive rider 
and rarely get flats. I haven't flatted a Schwalbe in who knows how long 
and have only pinch flatted the Jack Browns running too low PSI.  I don't 
plan on replacing those until they wear down to the tube. Also, what makes 
them "stout"?

Longevity though is one of the deciding factors for me. It's kept me from 
getting a set of Bruce Gordon RnRs and also from Compass and the 
Pari-Motos. I'm not interested in an "event tire" no matter how nice it 
rides. I need something that will stand up to time in the saddle more than 
I need something that will protect me from poor road conditions.

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 10:08:49 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 03/22/2016 06:27 PM, ian m wrote:
>
> But would I notice the same change if I went from the light Jack Browns on 
> my SS to Compass tires?  I would like to upgrade from the bottom of the 
> line wire bead Schwalbe's currently on my Clem (mostly because they have a 
> wobble in the bead) to a lighter "all road" 650b. How does one compare the 
> supple-itude?
>
>
> Ride on chipseal and badly alligatored pavement, something with a nasty 
> coarse surface that looks like this
>
>
>
> or this
>
>
>
> You'll feel the difference right away.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

2016-03-23 Thread Jim Bronson

Rich, your site appears to be down.

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Rich Lesnik  wrote:

> I rode my Riv. custom (basically a beefed-up Atlantis-type frame,
> customized for me) from Calgary to Banff, then took the Great Divide to
> Whitefish MT. Full load, front/rear bags, saddle and handlebar bags.
> Ritchey Crossbite (1.6") tires. No problems whatsoever. You can see some
> photos on the "Gallery" page at www.handsonwheels.com. My advice: don't
> over-plan -- "just ride."
>
>
> On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 2:10:25 PM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm planning out a June bike tour to coincide with the adventure cycling
>> associations 40th anniversary party in Missoula, Montana.
>>
>> I'm thinking of flying to Edmonton, riding or busing to Jasper, then
>> riding the Icefields Parkway to Banff. Haven't heard of the Icefields
>> Parkway? Do yourself a favour and just Google 'cycling the icefields
>> parkway'. It's Canada's crown jewel for paved bike touring. Glaciers,
>> mountains, wildlife and campgrounds everywhere.
>>
>> From Banff I want to hop on the Great Divide Mountainbike route and ride
>> to Missoula. Has anyone done that section of it? I'm just wondering how a
>> more traditional touring setup like my Atlantis would handle the route. I
>> know most of the GDMBR is just gravel roads, but I've also read that the
>> Canadian and Montana section is some of the rougher single track. How about
>> it, any of you taken your Rivs on this trail?
>>
>>
>> Also, anyone going to be in Missoula!?
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Large Riv Romulus on Washington, DC Craigslist...

2016-03-23 Thread Elisabeth Sherwood

I think someone else in the DC area has already volunteered to help get it 
to any out-of-town interested parties. I'd also be happy to help. Looks 
like such a lovely bike -- deserves someone who appreciates it! (I wish I 
were a foot taller!)

-- Liz


On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 3:25:55 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>
> It's my bike - still available. I'm looking to make a local sale, so 
> didn't push to advertise to the list, though you all found it regardless :) 
> I'm not feeling desperate to sell it, but I guess if it hangs around 
> without further interest locally I'll consider managing shipping to sell it.
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Justin Schoop  > wrote:
>
>> I was busy this weekend and did not meet with Jeff to look at his Rom. 
>> It's a little too small for me, but Jeff seems like a great guy.
>>
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Re: [RBW] On tire supple-itude

Jack Brown Greens are great! I think they're pretty far up there on
the suppleness scale. Just a step below Grand Bois or Challenge and a
step above Marathon Supremes.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Kieran J  wrote:
> I completely agree with your assessment of the JBGs.
>
> A lot of people don't consider them to be in the same league as the Compass
> offerings, but I totally do. They get slagged a lot for being too stout or
> having too much rolling resistance, but I don't see it. There's something
> just "right" about the way they ride. It's the only tire I've ever had on my
> Rambouillet - no big desire to upgrade, in spite of the dearth of choices in
> 700x32-35.
>
> I have the standard Barlows on my commuter bike and they are as nice, but
> not measurably better than the JBGs, IMO.
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 4:08:38 PM UTC-4, John Bokman wrote:
>>
>> Of all the tires I've ridden that come to mind (Schwalbe 26x2.0 Big Apple;
>> Pasella 700c Tour Guard and non-Tour guard in 32, 35, 37 mm; Soma New
>> Express 700x37; Jack Brown Green 700x33.333 and Compass Barlow Pass EL
>> 700x38) they all have their purpose. Some are more "fun" than others. Some
>> wear better, some have better grip on pavement, some are better
>> off-pavementTo the question at hand: Would I notice the difference
>> between a Jack Brown and a "Supple tire"? No, I would not. I think the Jack
>> Brown Green is the best riding tire I've tried in 700c. It rolls as well as
>> the Barlow and feels livelier. In fact I prefer the ride of my (albeit
>> narrower) 700x33.333 Jack Browns vs. the 700x38 Barlow Els. But this is not
>> to say there is no cost to this choice. The Jack Browns, in my experience,
>> do not last very long, and puncture more easily than the other tires I've
>> listed (can't compare to the Barlows on this score yet because I have not
>> enough miles on them to know). Interesting to me, they're not as "supple" as
>> the Barlows. Rest assured, the Jack Browns are supple enough to provide
>> exceptional ride quality, if that's what's making them ride so well. In my
>> mind, weight makes  big difference in the liveliness of the ride. Both the
>> Jack Brown Greens (350 grams) and Barlow Pass Els (lighter still) are light.
>> When I switch from Pasellas or Soma New Express to the Jacks or the Barlows,
>> I notice an immediate improvement in liveliness. Depends what matters most
>> to you. All are good tires for a particular purpose. I haven't yet found one
>> tire to do it all - though I'm still looking.


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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Velo Orange Campagne

2016-03-23 Thread Frank Conway

All set now.  I just purchased a Swift Ozette and Tanaka decaleur.  Very 
excited to get them and put on some miles.

  Thanks to those that responded.

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Re: [RBW] On tire supple-itude

Err, I meant wealth - not dearth.

KJ


On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 4:40:52 PM UTC-4, Kieran J wrote:
>
> I completely agree with your assessment of the JBGs. 
>
> A lot of people don't consider them to be in the same league as the 
> Compass offerings, but I totally do. They get slagged a lot for being too 
> stout or having too much rolling resistance, but I don't see it. There's 
> something just "right" about the way they ride. It's the only tire I've 
> ever had on my Rambouillet - no big desire to upgrade, in spite of the 
> dearth of choices in 700x32-35. 
>
> I have the standard Barlows on my commuter bike and they are as nice, but 
> not measurably better than the JBGs, IMO.
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 4:08:38 PM UTC-4, John Bokman wrote:
>>
>> Of all the tires I've ridden that come to mind (Schwalbe 26x2.0 Big 
>> Apple; Pasella 700c Tour Guard and non-Tour guard in 32, 35, 37 mm; Soma 
>> New Express 700x37; Jack Brown Green 700x33.333 and Compass Barlow Pass EL 
>> 700x38) they all have their purpose. Some are more "fun" than others. Some 
>> wear better, some have better grip on pavement, some are better 
>> off-pavementTo the question at hand: Would I notice the difference 
>> between a Jack Brown and a "Supple tire"? No, I would not. I think the Jack 
>> Brown Green is the best riding tire I've tried in 700c. It rolls as well as 
>> the Barlow and feels livelier. In fact I prefer the ride of my (albeit 
>> narrower) 700x33.333 Jack Browns vs. the 700x38 Barlow Els. But this is not 
>> to say there is no cost to this choice. The Jack Browns, in my experience, 
>> do not last very long, and puncture more easily than the other tires I've 
>> listed (can't compare to the Barlows on this score yet because I have not 
>> enough miles on them to know). Interesting to me, they're not as "supple" 
>> as the Barlows. Rest assured, the Jack Browns are supple enough to provide 
>> exceptional ride quality, if that's what's making them ride so well. In my 
>> mind, weight makes  big difference in the liveliness of the ride. Both the 
>> Jack Brown Greens (350 grams) and Barlow Pass Els (lighter still) are 
>> light. When I switch from Pasellas or Soma New Express to the Jacks or the 
>> Barlows, I notice an immediate improvement in liveliness. Depends what 
>> matters most to you. All are good tires for a particular purpose. I haven't 
>> yet found one tire to do it all - though I'm still looking.
>>
>>>


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Re: [RBW] On tire supple-itude

I completely agree with your assessment of the JBGs. 

A lot of people don't consider them to be in the same league as the Compass 
offerings, but I totally do. They get slagged a lot for being too stout or 
having too much rolling resistance, but I don't see it. There's something 
just "right" about the way they ride. It's the only tire I've ever had on 
my Rambouillet - no big desire to upgrade, in spite of the dearth of 
choices in 700x32-35. 

I have the standard Barlows on my commuter bike and they are as nice, but 
not measurably better than the JBGs, IMO.

KJ


On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 4:08:38 PM UTC-4, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Of all the tires I've ridden that come to mind (Schwalbe 26x2.0 Big Apple; 
> Pasella 700c Tour Guard and non-Tour guard in 32, 35, 37 mm; Soma New 
> Express 700x37; Jack Brown Green 700x33.333 and Compass Barlow Pass EL 
> 700x38) they all have their purpose. Some are more "fun" than others. Some 
> wear better, some have better grip on pavement, some are better 
> off-pavementTo the question at hand: Would I notice the difference 
> between a Jack Brown and a "Supple tire"? No, I would not. I think the Jack 
> Brown Green is the best riding tire I've tried in 700c. It rolls as well as 
> the Barlow and feels livelier. In fact I prefer the ride of my (albeit 
> narrower) 700x33.333 Jack Browns vs. the 700x38 Barlow Els. But this is not 
> to say there is no cost to this choice. The Jack Browns, in my experience, 
> do not last very long, and puncture more easily than the other tires I've 
> listed (can't compare to the Barlows on this score yet because I have not 
> enough miles on them to know). Interesting to me, they're not as "supple" 
> as the Barlows. Rest assured, the Jack Browns are supple enough to provide 
> exceptional ride quality, if that's what's making them ride so well. In my 
> mind, weight makes  big difference in the liveliness of the ride. Both the 
> Jack Brown Greens (350 grams) and Barlow Pass Els (lighter still) are 
> light. When I switch from Pasellas or Soma New Express to the Jacks or the 
> Barlows, I notice an immediate improvement in liveliness. Depends what 
> matters most to you. All are good tires for a particular purpose. I haven't 
> yet found one tire to do it all - though I'm still looking.
>
>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

2016-03-23 Thread Ryan Fleming

The Eno's not that bad...you can hear it, though

On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 12:55:33 PM UTC-5, Kainalu wrote:
>
> Check out the solid sounding frequencies coming from a White Industries 
> freewheel some time, it's an amazing clear the wayer/faux motor rumbler
> -Kai 
> Brooklyn NY 

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Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

2016-03-23 Thread Garth

   
Funny Steve  I notice anywhere even as a "complaint" is registered ,  
it's given so enthusiastically ! ! 



On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 2:14:10 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 03/23/2016 01:02 PM, Garth wrote: 
> > 
> >Isn't it funny  . . . .  we all read of people trying out Riv bikes 
> > at their HQ and how wonderful they ride .  Notice we don't hear "boy I 
> > wish it had supple tires" . 
> > 
> > The simple and profound joy of riding a bicycle transcends the make, 
> > model or type of tires that are on the bike   .  . . . 
> > w ! 
> > 
> > We only make tires a big deal when we turn away from that joy , jaded 
> > .  Yet the joy is always present regardless ! 
> > 
>
> That joy is greatly dimished, overlaid with a veneer of discomfort, when 
> riding over chipseal or alligatored pavement with tires that make your 
> teeth clack together and your hands to sting and go numb. Supple tires 
> help with that. 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] On tire supple-itude

2016-03-23 Thread John Bokman

Of all the tires I've ridden that come to mind (Schwalbe 26x2.0 Big Apple; 
Pasella 700c Tour Guard and non-Tour guard in 32, 35, 37 mm; Soma New 
Express 700x37; Jack Brown Green 700x33.333 and Compass Barlow Pass EL 
700x38) they all have their purpose. Some are more "fun" than others. Some 
wear better, some have better grip on pavement, some are better 
off-pavementTo the question at hand: Would I notice the difference 
between a Jack Brown and a "Supple tire"? No, I would not. I think the Jack 
Brown Green is the best riding tire I've tried in 700c. It rolls as well as 
the Barlow and feels livelier. In fact I prefer the ride of my (albeit 
narrower) 700x33.333 Jack Browns vs. the 700x38 Barlow Els. But this is not 
to say there is no cost to this choice. The Jack Browns, in my experience, 
do not last very long, and puncture more easily than the other tires I've 
listed (can't compare to the Barlows on this score yet because I have not 
enough miles on them to know). Interesting to me, they're not as "supple" 
as the Barlows. Rest assured, the Jack Browns are supple enough to provide 
exceptional ride quality, if that's what's making them ride so well. In my 
mind, weight makes  big difference in the liveliness of the ride. Both the 
Jack Brown Greens (350 grams) and Barlow Pass Els (lighter still) are 
light. When I switch from Pasellas or Soma New Express to the Jacks or the 
Barlows, I notice an immediate improvement in liveliness. Depends what 
matters most to you. All are good tires for a particular purpose. I haven't 
yet found one tire to do it all - though I'm still looking.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 12:07:34 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Yes, good advice in a clearly delineated, either/or, binary, black and 
> white world. But the OP was asking about the confusing array of tires 
> available, and what exactly constitutes a supple tire. Trying all the 
> available tires out there is a bit daunting. While experimentation is 
> inevitable, the great thing about a list devoted to bike stuff is that you 
> can access lots of other experiences that would otherwise be unavailable.
>
> Other than tubulars vs. clinchers when I was racing, I never paid much 
> attention to tires. Just figured if you wanted good ones, buy the more 
> expensive ones. Which, to a certain extent, is still true. But I think 
> becoming more educated about the various qualities of bicycle tires is 
> kinda useful, and relatively interesting. It will be particularly 
> interesting to compare the stock Clem tires with a puffy, supple, 
> lightweight. I did hear that Panaracer Gravel Kings will soon be available 
> in a 48cm 650B that has a herringbone tread very similar to the Compass 
> tires. Anyone heard anything further about a release date on these? I 
> imagine Soma is cooking up an entry into the 650B 42+ field.
>
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 12:07:36 PM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> I think we've gotten to the point with this discussion that people should 
>> just choose a tire according to their preference.
>>
>> If a smooth, fast ride is a priority for you, ride supple tires.
>>
>> If longevity and flat resistance are a priority for you, don't ride 
>> supple tires.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 5:27 PM, ian m  wrote:
>>
>>> Hopefully not beating a dying horse here, but I am confused by how this 
>>> topic is often discussed. With how BQ and Compass/Grand Bois talk about 
>>> their tires it seems as though it's a binary opposition, right? Supple 
>>> tires vs. non-supple tires, new tire technology vs. old tires, their tires 
>>> vs. the rest. But what is even being discussed when we talk about 
>>> suppleness? Am I confused in thinking that there has long been differing 
>>> levels of casing quality with TPI being a good indicator of suppleness (and 
>>> why doesn't Compass advertise the TPI on their tires)?
>>>
>>> It seems to me that it's more of a continuum of supple, from maybe the 
>>> steel belted kevlar enforced urban assault Schwalbe to the hand sewn from 
>>> the finest silk undies race only FMBs. In that continuum you have your 
>>> clincher and your tubular, your wire bead and folding bead, your 120TPI and 
>>> your puncture-proof belt. But where in the continuum are they?
>>>
>>> I'm not interested in performance and am a proud unracer. My only Riv 
>>> bike is a Clem and I love it. But I know and appreciate quality bicycle 
>>> components and, as they say, am too poor to buy cheap things. While the 
>>> rising interest in wide tires in the performance bicycling world will mean 
>>> more options for us balloon bikers, that also means more companies making 
>>> all sorts of unverifiable claims about their tires. I remember when I 
>>> switched from Schwalbe Delta Cruisers to Clement 120TPI USH tires on a 
>>> previous touring bike. I was not let down. But would I notice the same 
>>> change if I went from the light Jack Browns on my SS to Compass tires?  I 
>>>

Re: [RBW] On tire supple-itude

You may be enjoying a special case.  Goatheads, horrible as they are, 
make a small clean puncture that is exactly what Orange Seal is best at 
sealing.  The holes that are made in the tire are unlikely to cut across 
large areas of fabric.  If you rode on surfaces that instead looked or 
acted as though they were made like this




Orange Seal probably wouldn't work at all.




On 03/23/2016 02:23 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:

Step 1: remove Marathons.

Step 2: Install paper thin and paper light Compass equivalents.

Step 3: Insert 2 to 4 oz, depending on tire volume, of Orange Seal 
into your tubes.


Step 3: Rejoice in the benefits and pleasures of both worlds.

Patrick Moore, who repeats /ad nauseam/ that he rides 
lighter-than-Compass Furious Freds in goathadland thanks to Orange Seal.


Actually, I rode unprotected Big Apples in through goathead patches, 
and they /rarely/ punctured, and rode pretty well for 900 gram (60 X 
622) tires.


On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 8:12 AM, John A. Bennett > wrote:


I've had the same pair(s) of Schwalbe Marathons on my Saluki and
Atlantis for over 5 years. Never had a flat. Never had a tire fail.

They feel fine over every surface, and I don't live in fear of
potholes, nails, pointy rocks, broken glass, or switchblades.

To me, /that's/ the smoothest ride of all.



On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 6:52:15 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:

From my experience:

Solid rubber tire = 0
Super cheapo heavy tire (aka stock tires on box-store bikes) = 1
Studded, heavy (Nokian W160) = 2
Studded, huge (Dillinger 5) = 3
Huge (Ground Control 4.6) = 4
Armored, heavy (Schwalbe Marathon) = 5
Armored (Pasela PT/TG) = 6
Stout (Jack Brown, Ruffy Tuffy) = 7
Light (Super Moto, ITS MK2) = 8
Supple (Thunder Burt, Compass, Grand Bois, Pari-Moto) = 9

And I reserve 10 for those hand-sewn 320 tpi tubulars, though
I've never ridden them.

On this scale, each increment in rating indicates a noticeable
difference in ride quality and rolling resistance.  I.e., if I
ride a "7" and an "8" back to back, I'll say "nice!".  If I
ride a "7" and a "9" back to back, I'll say "wow!".

-Tim

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 5:27 PM, ian m  wrote:

Hopefully not beating a dying horse here, but I am
confused by how this topic is often discussed. With how BQ
and Compass/Grand Bois talk about their tires it seems as
though it's a binary opposition, right? Supple tires vs.
non-supple tires, new tire technology vs. old tires, their
tires vs. the rest. But what is even being discussed when
we talk about suppleness? Am I confused in thinking that
there has long been differing levels of casing quality
with TPI being a good indicator of suppleness (and why
doesn't Compass advertise the TPI on their tires)?

It seems to me that it's more of a continuum of supple,
from maybe the steel belted kevlar enforced urban assault
Schwalbe to the hand sewn from the finest silk undies race
only FMBs. In that continuum you have your clincher and
your tubular, your wire bead and folding bead, your 120TPI
and your puncture-proof belt. But where in the continuum
are they?

I'm not interested in performance and am a proud unracer.
My only Riv bike is a Clem and I love it. But I know and
appreciate quality bicycle components and, as they say, am
too poor to buy cheap things. While the rising interest in
wide tires in the performance bicycling world will mean
more options for us balloon bikers, that also means more
companies making all sorts of unverifiable claims about
their tires. I remember when I switched from Schwalbe
Delta Cruisers to Clement 120TPI USH tires on a previous
touring bike. I was not let down. But would I notice the
same change if I went from the light Jack Browns on my SS
to Compass tires? I would like to upgrade from the bottom
of the line wire bead Schwalbe's currently on my Clem
(mostly because they have a wobble in the bead) to a
lighter "all road" 650b. How does one compare the
supple-itude?

- Perpetually Confused by Marketing



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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day!

2016-03-23 Thread George Schick

Dang!  Just when I thought I had all the bikes in my stable built the way I 
wanted 'em, along comes this post about the Black Mountains!  I surfed into 
their website, looked everything over, and now I'm right back into the 
gotta-haveit mode all over again.  What nice looking frames!  Since you 
live in the Chicago area, David, I would sure like to get a glance at that 
bike when you get it built up.  Are you planning to ride any centuries 
around here with it this year?


On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 2:24:02 PM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Not a Riv, but pretty similar in my book, my Black Mountain Monster Cross 
> was dropped off a day early by Fedex. Pleasant surprise.
> I rode me Clem in today which is shod with 29x2.1" Thunderburts. Thought, 
> why not try those to check clearances. Extremely surprised to find that 
> Thunderburts fit, with room for fenders. Due to the horizontal dropouts 
> though, it's tight squeeze to get the wheel in with a Thunderburt.
> Mine will be set up initially as fixed/single. I'll most likely order up 
> another pair of Thunderburts.
> This'll round out my current bike stable nicely with a Clem for daily 
> meandering, Redwood for roads, Schwinn Voyageur as a lock-up bike, and the 
> Monster Cross as a great all-rounder.
> David
> Chicago
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[RBW] Re: Old road trip, India, mid-1950s

2016-03-23 Thread JohnS


Another great book about touring in that part of the world from 1965 is 
Dervla Murphy's* Full Tilt, Ireland to India with a Bicycle*. Definitely a 
look into a world which no longer exists. 

JohnS

On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 3:25:47 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

> Forwarded from the boblist. I thought this might interest Rivlist readers 
> who are not cross-pollinated.
>
> [Start:]
> I recently found again an interesting book lent me by my brother of an 
> Englishman's trip from Narsapur on the SE coast of India to Chandigarh at 
> the far North Central part of India just aft of the Himalyas (pron. Hee 
> *MAHL* yah, not "Him a *LAY* a" as Anglophones too often do). It's a 
> quirky, impressionistic description, focusing on the writer's experience of 
> people, settings, conversations, with little about the bike -- a tourist 
> using a bike, not a cyclist doing some touring. 
>
> His bike looks like a Raleigh DL-1 -- perhaps Steve can confirm, tho' the 
> only photo is obscure about the bike's details.
>
> The Ride To Chandigarh, Harold Elvin, McMillan, 1957.
>
> How hugely India has changed in 60 years! It was much more like that 
> described and photo'd here when I lived there as a boy 1964-1967, but 
> already much changed.
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
> "Sir Water" and the author with 2 leopard cubs
>
> [image: Inline image 2]
> "The Four Riders"
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:49 AM, <50532...@mms.att.net > 
> wrote:
>
>>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day!

Good to know. I was reading over on the other supple tire thread - I have 
MSOs and Smart Sams on hand to start me out, but I might have to lay my 
paws on some TBs eventually.

Mine's waiting for me at the border. I'll have it on Sunday!

KJ


On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 3:24:02 PM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Not a Riv, but pretty similar in my book, my Black Mountain Monster Cross 
> was dropped off a day early by Fedex. Pleasant surprise.
> I rode me Clem in today which is shod with 29x2.1" Thunderburts. Thought, 
> why not try those to check clearances. Extremely surprised to find that 
> Thunderburts fit, with room for fenders. Due to the horizontal dropouts 
> though, it's tight squeeze to get the wheel in with a Thunderburt.
> Mine will be set up initially as fixed/single. I'll most likely order up 
> another pair of Thunderburts.
> This'll round out my current bike stable nicely with a Clem for daily 
> meandering, Redwood for roads, Schwinn Voyageur as a lock-up bike, and the 
> Monster Cross as a great all-rounder.
> David
> Chicago
>

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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day!

2016-03-23 Thread JohnS

Good looking bike, I checked it out on their web site. I like the 
semi-horizontal drop outs with the derailleur tab, allows for fixed/SS or 
gearing when needed. My Salsa Casaroll has a similar rear end. I'm 
currently riding it fixed with a Phil Wood hub and the spacers for 130mm 
OLD. I really like how it bolts to the drop outs, that sucker isn't going 
anywhere.

JohnS


On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 3:24:02 PM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:

> Not a Riv, but pretty similar in my book, my Black Mountain Monster Cross 
> was dropped off a day early by Fedex. Pleasant surprise.
> I rode me Clem in today which is shod with 29x2.1" Thunderburts. Thought, 
> why not try those to check clearances. Extremely surprised to find that 
> Thunderburts fit, with room for fenders. Due to the horizontal dropouts 
> though, it's tight squeeze to get the wheel in with a Thunderburt.
> Mine will be set up initially as fixed/single. I'll most likely order up 
> another pair of Thunderburts.
> This'll round out my current bike stable nicely with a Clem for daily 
> meandering, Redwood for roads, Schwinn Voyageur as a lock-up bike, and the 
> Monster Cross as a great all-rounder.
> David
> Chicago
>

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[RBW] Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

2016-03-23 Thread Joe Bernard

I suspect this "easy to ride" feature is similar to my long-chainstayed CLEM. I 
don't know if the chainstays are the cause, but the bike has a decided 
proclivity to want to keep going once spun up..almost like there's a slight 
tailwind, or a micro-motor in the bottom bracket. It's fun!

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

Oh indeed I do. If I'm not using up time away to ride my bike, it's pretty
much always spent scrambling and hiking in the mountains. I've done a few
snow traverses which required ice axes and such for self rescue in the
event of a fall. However, lugging a loaded bike across with me will
be.erm..interesting at best.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Right on! You no doubt know this, but just in case ... snow slopes are
> very different from snow fields. Slip on a field, you fall. Slip on a
> slope, you slide and it all depends on where you are as to what happens
> next. I've crossed some amazingly drifted trails and roads that had one
> wild ride waiting if I misstepped, whether I had a bike with me or not.
> Sardonic grin.
>
> My two eldest daughters and I are in the process of plotting our Colorado
> Super Loop (which for us will be at most Leadville - Aspen - Crested Butte
> - Mt. Princeton Western). They are learning the whole process of reading
> someone else's (incomplete) route notes online, matching those to maps, and
> then eventually how that all pans out on the trail. Fun stuff!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 12:23:23 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Resurrecting this old-ish thread just to share the news that I've booked
>> my flights and will be riding the Atlantis, or should I say Fatlantis, from
>> Jasper to Missoula from July 6-17. Locals tell me there is much more
>> snowpack than is typical this year, so I'm hoping by early July that will
>> have melted down a bit. That said, I am certainly no stranger to pushing my
>> Atlantis through deep snow for hours on end...
>>
>> Now on to the fun part, planning the trip details!
>>
>> On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 3:51:18 PM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Anne. I am used to Chupas and like them a lot.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

2016-03-23 Thread Deacon Patrick

Right on! You no doubt know this, but just in case ... snow slopes are very 
different from snow fields. Slip on a field, you fall. Slip on a slope, you 
slide and it all depends on where you are as to what happens next. I've 
crossed some amazingly drifted trails and roads that had one wild ride 
waiting if I misstepped, whether I had a bike with me or not. Sardonic grin.

My two eldest daughters and I are in the process of plotting our Colorado 
Super Loop (which for us will be at most Leadville - Aspen - Crested Butte 
- Mt. Princeton Western). They are learning the whole process of reading 
someone else's (incomplete) route notes online, matching those to maps, and 
then eventually how that all pans out on the trail. Fun stuff!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 12:23:23 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Resurrecting this old-ish thread just to share the news that I've booked 
> my flights and will be riding the Atlantis, or should I say Fatlantis, from 
> Jasper to Missoula from July 6-17. Locals tell me there is much more 
> snowpack than is typical this year, so I'm hoping by early July that will 
> have melted down a bit. That said, I am certainly no stranger to pushing my 
> Atlantis through deep snow for hours on end...
>
> Now on to the fun part, planning the trip details!
>
> On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 3:51:18 PM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Anne. I am used to Chupas and like them a lot.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] New Frame Day!

Those BMC bikes are pretty sweet! Congrats!

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 12:24 PM, David Banzer  wrote:
> Not a Riv, but pretty similar in my book, my Black Mountain Monster Cross
> was dropped off a day early by Fedex. Pleasant surprise.
> I rode me Clem in today which is shod with 29x2.1" Thunderburts. Thought,
> why not try those to check clearances. Extremely surprised to find that
> Thunderburts fit, with room for fenders. Due to the horizontal dropouts
> though, it's tight squeeze to get the wheel in with a Thunderburt.
> Mine will be set up initially as fixed/single. I'll most likely order up
> another pair of Thunderburts.
> This'll round out my current bike stable nicely with a Clem for daily
> meandering, Redwood for roads, Schwinn Voyageur as a lock-up bike, and the
> Monster Cross as a great all-rounder.
> David
> Chicago
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

2016-03-23 Thread Patrick Kelly

"Loud pawls save pals" ?

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:16 AM, cyclotourist  wrote:
> Loud pawls save lives or something like that.
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Kainalu  wrote:
>> Check out the solid sounding frequencies coming from a White Industries 
>> freewheel some time, it's an amazing clear the wayer/faux motor rumbler
>> -Kai
>> Brooklyn NY
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Large Riv Romulus on Washington, DC Craigslist...

2016-03-23 Thread Jeff Lesperance

It's my bike - still available. I'm looking to make a local sale, so didn't
push to advertise to the list, though you all found it regardless :)
I'm not feeling desperate to sell it, but I guess if it hangs around
without further interest locally I'll consider managing shipping to sell it.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

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> I was busy this weekend and did not meet with Jeff to look at his Rom.
> It's a little too small for me, but Jeff seems like a great guy.
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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

Thank you! I look forward to your posts.



On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Mark Reimer  wrote:

> I hadn't thought about it that much yet but sure, that sounds like fun.
> Absolutely a post-ride report with photos and observations, but a pre-trip
> planning record would be good as well. When the date gets closer and
> planning is a bit busier I'll share a link or start a new thread here.
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> Mark: will you be blogging your preparation and ride? I'd be interested
>> in hearing about both and, of course, in photos of the ride itself.
>>
>> "Fatlantis" -- I missed this: what makes it "Fat"?
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Mark Reimer 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Resurrecting this old-ish thread just to share the news that I've
>>> booked my
>>> > flights and will be riding the Atlantis, or should I say Fatlantis,
>>> from
>>> > Jasper to Missoula from July 6-17. Locals tell me there is much more
>>> > snowpack than is typical this year, so I'm hoping by early July that
>>> will
>>> > have melted down a bit. That said, I am certainly no stranger to
>>> pushing my
>>> > Atlantis through deep snow for hours on end...
>>> >
>>> > Now on to the fun part, planning the trip details!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 3:51:18 PM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks Anne. I am used to Chupas and like them a lot.
>>> >
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[RBW] New Frame Day!

2016-03-23 Thread David Banzer

Not a Riv, but pretty similar in my book, my Black Mountain Monster Cross 
was dropped off a day early by Fedex. Pleasant surprise.
I rode me Clem in today which is shod with 29x2.1" Thunderburts. Thought, 
why not try those to check clearances. Extremely surprised to find that 
Thunderburts fit, with room for fenders. Due to the horizontal dropouts 
though, it's tight squeeze to get the wheel in with a Thunderburt.
Mine will be set up initially as fixed/single. I'll most likely order up 
another pair of Thunderburts.
This'll round out my current bike stable nicely with a Clem for daily 
meandering, Redwood for roads, Schwinn Voyageur as a lock-up bike, and the 
Monster Cross as a great all-rounder.
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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

I hadn't thought about it that much yet but sure, that sounds like fun.
Absolutely a post-ride report with photos and observations, but a pre-trip
planning record would be good as well. When the date gets closer and
planning is a bit busier I'll share a link or start a new thread here.

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> Mark: will you be blogging your preparation and ride? I'd be interested in
> hearing about both and, of course, in photos of the ride itself.
>
> "Fatlantis" -- I missed this: what makes it "Fat"?
>
> Good luck!
>
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>>
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>> booked my
>> > flights and will be riding the Atlantis, or should I say Fatlantis, from
>> > Jasper to Missoula from July 6-17. Locals tell me there is much more
>> > snowpack than is typical this year, so I'm hoping by early July that
>> will
>> > have melted down a bit. That said, I am certainly no stranger to
>> pushing my
>> > Atlantis through deep snow for hours on end...
>> >
>> > Now on to the fun part, planning the trip details!
>> >
>> >
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>> >> Thanks Anne. I am used to Chupas and like them a lot.
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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

Mark: will you be blogging your preparation and ride? I'd be interested in
hearing about both and, of course, in photos of the ride itself.

"Fatlantis" -- I missed this: what makes it "Fat"?

Good luck!


>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Mark Reimer 
> wrote:
> > Resurrecting this old-ish thread just to share the news that I've booked
> my
> > flights and will be riding the Atlantis, or should I say Fatlantis, from
> > Jasper to Missoula from July 6-17. Locals tell me there is much more
> > snowpack than is typical this year, so I'm hoping by early July that will
> > have melted down a bit. That said, I am certainly no stranger to pushing
> my
> > Atlantis through deep snow for hours on end...
> >
> > Now on to the fun part, planning the trip details!
> >
> >
> > On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 3:51:18 PM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks Anne. I am used to Chupas and like them a lot.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

Loud pawls save lives or something like that.

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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

Awesome, Mark! Have a great time out there!

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Mark Reimer  wrote:
> Resurrecting this old-ish thread just to share the news that I've booked my
> flights and will be riding the Atlantis, or should I say Fatlantis, from
> Jasper to Missoula from July 6-17. Locals tell me there is much more
> snowpack than is typical this year, so I'm hoping by early July that will
> have melted down a bit. That said, I am certainly no stranger to pushing my
> Atlantis through deep snow for hours on end...
>
> Now on to the fun part, planning the trip details!
>
>
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>>
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Re: [RBW] On tire supple-itude

2016-03-23 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch

Yes, good advice in a clearly delineated, either/or, binary, black and 
white world. But the OP was asking about the confusing array of tires 
available, and what exactly constitutes a supple tire. Trying all the 
available tires out there is a bit daunting. While experimentation is 
inevitable, the great thing about a list devoted to bike stuff is that you 
can access lots of other experiences that would otherwise be unavailable.

Other than tubulars vs. clinchers when I was racing, I never paid much 
attention to tires. Just figured if you wanted good ones, buy the more 
expensive ones. Which, to a certain extent, is still true. But I think 
becoming more educated about the various qualities of bicycle tires is 
kinda useful, and relatively interesting. It will be particularly 
interesting to compare the stock Clem tires with a puffy, supple, 
lightweight. I did hear that Panaracer Gravel Kings will soon be available 
in a 48cm 650B that has a herringbone tread very similar to the Compass 
tires. Anyone heard anything further about a release date on these? I 
imagine Soma is cooking up an entry into the 650B 42+ field.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 12:07:36 PM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I think we've gotten to the point with this discussion that people should 
> just choose a tire according to their preference.
>
> If a smooth, fast ride is a priority for you, ride supple tires.
>
> If longevity and flat resistance are a priority for you, don't ride supple 
> tires.
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 5:27 PM, ian m  
> wrote:
>
>> Hopefully not beating a dying horse here, but I am confused by how this 
>> topic is often discussed. With how BQ and Compass/Grand Bois talk about 
>> their tires it seems as though it's a binary opposition, right? Supple 
>> tires vs. non-supple tires, new tire technology vs. old tires, their tires 
>> vs. the rest. But what is even being discussed when we talk about 
>> suppleness? Am I confused in thinking that there has long been differing 
>> levels of casing quality with TPI being a good indicator of suppleness (and 
>> why doesn't Compass advertise the TPI on their tires)?
>>
>> It seems to me that it's more of a continuum of supple, from maybe the 
>> steel belted kevlar enforced urban assault Schwalbe to the hand sewn from 
>> the finest silk undies race only FMBs. In that continuum you have your 
>> clincher and your tubular, your wire bead and folding bead, your 120TPI and 
>> your puncture-proof belt. But where in the continuum are they?
>>
>> I'm not interested in performance and am a proud unracer. My only Riv 
>> bike is a Clem and I love it. But I know and appreciate quality bicycle 
>> components and, as they say, am too poor to buy cheap things. While the 
>> rising interest in wide tires in the performance bicycling world will mean 
>> more options for us balloon bikers, that also means more companies making 
>> all sorts of unverifiable claims about their tires. I remember when I 
>> switched from Schwalbe Delta Cruisers to Clement 120TPI USH tires on a 
>> previous touring bike. I was not let down. But would I notice the same 
>> change if I went from the light Jack Browns on my SS to Compass tires?  I 
>> would like to upgrade from the bottom of the line wire bead Schwalbe's 
>> currently on my Clem (mostly because they have a wobble in the bead) to a 
>> lighter "all road" 650b. How does one compare the supple-itude?
>>
>> - Perpetually Confused by Marketing
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Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

I rode the Race Lite yestiddy, at least half on pavement. The Maxxis Ikons
rode suprisingly well on pavement -- not as well as the road-fast F Freds,
but very well give their heavy knobs. I attribute a good part of their
rolling quality to the fact that I run the without tubes -- really,
removing tubes seems to be the equivalent of going from, say, a Kojak to a
Compass Extra Light. I daresay that the quality of the tires converted
affects the degree of difference, but it is still striking.

BTW, I am convinced that tall, heavily knobbed tires *do* add considerable
wind resistance compared to a road slick when riding into a stiff headwind.
Windy says here in Duke City!

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> I have 26 x 2.1" Thunder Burts (Evo Liteskin) on my '88 Schwinn KOM.  They
> are surprisingly quiet and fast on pavement, no buzzing.  They are just as
> quiet and grippy when cornering as the nearly-slick Super Motos.  They fit
> great under SKS P65 longboards.
>
> I highly recommend Bike-discount.de for all your Schwalbe tire needs.
> They have the Evo Liteskin (most supple) version for ~$34 a tire.
> http://www.bike-discount.de/en/search?q=burt
> They charge a flat ~$23 shipping fee to the US, so you may want to pad
> your order with other stuff.  They have excellent prices on anything
> Shimano (including the non-US Trekking line), as well as B dynamo lights.
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:01 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Patrick--I notice in your photo sets you and the girls are usually on
>> non-paved surfaces. The Thunderburts look to have a pretty decent set of
>> knobs, especially on the edges. How does this affect riding on paved roads
>> and also cornering at speed? Any loss of contact issues, or buzzing? Also,
>> seem to come in a bewildering array of options. Jensen has what appears to
>> be a big sale going on these if they are the same tire.
>> 2.1" Pacestar Liteskin
>> 2.1" Snakeskin, TI Ready
>> 2.25" Pacestar Snakeskin TI Easy
>>
>> Sheesh.
>>
>> Does a 2.1 fit under Clem w fenders, or do they come 1.9?
>>
>> On the more general idea of supple tires for a bicycle like the
>> Clementine, I am feeling pretty good with the not quite stock tires on mine
>> (a packing incident led to me getting the stock Kenda in front and a
>> Schwalbe Big Ben in rear) but I do notice the bike does not roll as far as
>> other bikes on the same route. I was initially going to go for the Compass
>> Switchback EL and run them with Orange Seal, as that seems almost as
>> failsafe as an armored tire (and, knock wood, I do not generally get many
>> flats). I'm skeptical that the TBurt treads will work for my mostly paved
>> commute, so I'd like to hear from others who have tried 48-50mm 650B tires
>> for performance.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 6:54:37 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> The supple, all road tire I ride and put on my daughter's 650b
>>> Clementines for all road/trail bikepacking is Schwalbe's Thunderburt (no
>>> snakebite or other protection). Rides like a dream. They very much noticed
>>> (and love) the difference from the stock tires. We ordered from Germany and
>>> that brought the price down to something reasonable per tire.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] On tire supple-itude

Actually, Tim, in my admittedly limited experience, even solid tires can be
beaten in the "horrible to ride" contest. I once bought an early '80s
Cyclopro mtb at Goodwill. It was shod with some early, heavily belted 1.9"
slick, fortified with 1 cm thick thornproof tubes, with the protection
augmented by the thickest Mr Tuffys. What an amazingly horrible ride!

By contract, several years ago I resurrected a cheap city bike that had
solid tires. These were perhaps 38s, not 50s, but they certainly rolled
better than the combination described above -- I was very surprised.

As I reported earlier, I swapped the Avocet city tires on the Dahon to
Kojaks. The Kojaks still feel sluggish on 20" wheels compared to 559 or 622
Kojaks, but they are *hugely* better than the Avocets they replaced, and
those Avocets were called "Race something" if IIRC.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> From my experience:
>
> Solid rubber tire = 0
> Super cheapo heavy tire (aka stock tires on box-store bikes) = 1
> Studded, heavy (Nokian W160) = 2
> Studded, huge (Dillinger 5) = 3
> Huge (Ground Control 4.6) = 4
> Armored, heavy (Schwalbe Marathon) = 5
> Armored (Pasela PT/TG) = 6
> Stout (Jack Brown, Ruffy Tuffy) = 7
> Light (Super Moto, ITS MK2) = 8
> Supple (Thunder Burt, Compass, Grand Bois, Pari-Moto) = 9
>
> And I reserve 10 for those hand-sewn 320 tpi tubulars, though I've never
> ridden them.
>
> On this scale, each increment in rating indicates a noticeable difference
> in ride quality and rolling resistance.  I.e., if I ride a "7" and an "8"
> back to back, I'll say "nice!".  If I ride a "7" and a "9" back to back,
> I'll say "wow!".
>
> -Tim
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 5:27 PM, ian m  wrote:
>
>> Hopefully not beating a dying horse here, but I am confused by how this
>> topic is often discussed. With how BQ and Compass/Grand Bois talk about
>> their tires it seems as though it's a binary opposition, right? Supple
>> tires vs. non-supple tires, new tire technology vs. old tires, their tires
>> vs. the rest. But what is even being discussed when we talk about
>> suppleness? Am I confused in thinking that there has long been differing
>> levels of casing quality with TPI being a good indicator of suppleness (and
>> why doesn't Compass advertise the TPI on their tires)?
>>
>> It seems to me that it's more of a continuum of supple, from maybe the
>> steel belted kevlar enforced urban assault Schwalbe to the hand sewn from
>> the finest silk undies race only FMBs. In that continuum you have your
>> clincher and your tubular, your wire bead and folding bead, your 120TPI and
>> your puncture-proof belt. But where in the continuum are they?
>>
>> I'm not interested in performance and am a proud unracer. My only Riv
>> bike is a Clem and I love it. But I know and appreciate quality bicycle
>> components and, as they say, am too poor to buy cheap things. While the
>> rising interest in wide tires in the performance bicycling world will mean
>> more options for us balloon bikers, that also means more companies making
>> all sorts of unverifiable claims about their tires. I remember when I
>> switched from Schwalbe Delta Cruisers to Clement 120TPI USH tires on a
>> previous touring bike. I was not let down. But would I notice the same
>> change if I went from the light Jack Browns on my SS to Compass tires?  I
>> would like to upgrade from the bottom of the line wire bead Schwalbe's
>> currently on my Clem (mostly because they have a wobble in the bead) to a
>> lighter "all road" 650b. How does one compare the supple-itude?
>>
>> - Perpetually Confused by Marketing
>>
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Re: [RBW] On tire supple-itude

Step 1: remove Marathons.

Step 2: Install paper thin and paper light Compass equivalents.

Step 3: Insert 2 to 4 oz, depending on tire volume, of Orange Seal into
your tubes.

Step 3: Rejoice in the benefits and pleasures of both worlds.

Patrick Moore, who repeats *ad nauseam* that he rides lighter-than-Compass
Furious Freds in goathadland thanks to Orange Seal.

Actually, I rode unprotected Big Apples in through goathead patches, and
they *rarely* punctured, and rode pretty well for 900 gram (60 X 622) tires.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 8:12 AM, John A. Bennett  wrote:

> I've had the same pair(s) of Schwalbe Marathons on my Saluki and Atlantis
> for over 5 years. Never had a flat. Never had a tire fail.
>
> They feel fine over every surface, and I don't live in fear of potholes,
> nails, pointy rocks, broken glass, or switchblades.
>
> To me, *that's* the smoothest ride of all.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 6:52:15 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> From my experience:
>>
>> Solid rubber tire = 0
>> Super cheapo heavy tire (aka stock tires on box-store bikes) = 1
>> Studded, heavy (Nokian W160) = 2
>> Studded, huge (Dillinger 5) = 3
>> Huge (Ground Control 4.6) = 4
>> Armored, heavy (Schwalbe Marathon) = 5
>> Armored (Pasela PT/TG) = 6
>> Stout (Jack Brown, Ruffy Tuffy) = 7
>> Light (Super Moto, ITS MK2) = 8
>> Supple (Thunder Burt, Compass, Grand Bois, Pari-Moto) = 9
>>
>> And I reserve 10 for those hand-sewn 320 tpi tubulars, though I've never
>> ridden them.
>>
>> On this scale, each increment in rating indicates a noticeable difference
>> in ride quality and rolling resistance.  I.e., if I ride a "7" and an "8"
>> back to back, I'll say "nice!".  If I ride a "7" and a "9" back to back,
>> I'll say "wow!".
>>
>> -Tim
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 5:27 PM, ian m  wrote:
>>
>>> Hopefully not beating a dying horse here, but I am confused by how this
>>> topic is often discussed. With how BQ and Compass/Grand Bois talk about
>>> their tires it seems as though it's a binary opposition, right? Supple
>>> tires vs. non-supple tires, new tire technology vs. old tires, their tires
>>> vs. the rest. But what is even being discussed when we talk about
>>> suppleness? Am I confused in thinking that there has long been differing
>>> levels of casing quality with TPI being a good indicator of suppleness (and
>>> why doesn't Compass advertise the TPI on their tires)?
>>>
>>> It seems to me that it's more of a continuum of supple, from maybe the
>>> steel belted kevlar enforced urban assault Schwalbe to the hand sewn from
>>> the finest silk undies race only FMBs. In that continuum you have your
>>> clincher and your tubular, your wire bead and folding bead, your 120TPI and
>>> your puncture-proof belt. But where in the continuum are they?
>>>
>>> I'm not interested in performance and am a proud unracer. My only Riv
>>> bike is a Clem and I love it. But I know and appreciate quality bicycle
>>> components and, as they say, am too poor to buy cheap things. While the
>>> rising interest in wide tires in the performance bicycling world will mean
>>> more options for us balloon bikers, that also means more companies making
>>> all sorts of unverifiable claims about their tires. I remember when I
>>> switched from Schwalbe Delta Cruisers to Clement 120TPI USH tires on a
>>> previous touring bike. I was not let down. But would I notice the same
>>> change if I went from the light Jack Browns on my SS to Compass tires?  I
>>> would like to upgrade from the bottom of the line wire bead Schwalbe's
>>> currently on my Clem (mostly because they have a wobble in the bead) to a
>>> lighter "all road" 650b. How does one compare the supple-itude?
>>>
>>> - Perpetually Confused by Marketing
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] WTB: 62cm Saluki

2016-03-23 Thread Justin Schoop

Talked with Vince at Riv and they do not have any Saluki's so the hunt 
continues.

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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

Resurrecting this old-ish thread just to share the news that I've booked my 
flights and will be riding the Atlantis, or should I say Fatlantis, from 
Jasper to Missoula from July 6-17. Locals tell me there is much more 
snowpack than is typical this year, so I'm hoping by early July that will 
have melted down a bit. That said, I am certainly no stranger to pushing my 
Atlantis through deep snow for hours on end...

Now on to the fun part, planning the trip details!

On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 3:51:18 PM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:
>
> Thanks Anne. I am used to Chupas and like them a lot.

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Re: [RBW] On tire supple-itude




On 03/23/2016 10:56 AM, olofst...@gmail.com wrote:


How much to drift on the side of safety is of course a personal thing, 
but methinks you´ve got to take some risks in life.




Having a flat tire isn't what you'd call an existential risk.  It's more 
of a minor irritation.




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[RBW] EDM / Tap Burner

2016-03-23 Thread IanA

I've had luck using a narrow punch with a sharp (or sharpened) tip. Hammer the 
punch in a circular pattern to unscrew the bolt. The sharpened end can do a 
good job biting into the sheared bolt. (This is a good first resort method 
before trying an ez out). Spray with WD40 or soak down with a very light oil to 
make the extraction as smooth as possible. 

Worth a try and it's non invasive so no risk of damage to the bike itself. 

Ian A/Currently in the UK. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude




On 03/23/2016 01:02 PM, Garth wrote:


   Isn't it funny  . . . .  we all read of people trying out Riv bikes 
at their HQ and how wonderful they ride .  Notice we don't hear "boy I 
wish it had supple tires" .


The simple and profound joy of riding a bicycle transcends the make, 
model or type of tires that are on the bike   .  . . . 
w !


We only make tires a big deal when we turn away from that joy , jaded 
.  Yet the joy is always present regardless !




That joy is greatly dimished, overlaid with a veneer of discomfort, when 
riding over chipseal or alligatored pavement with tires that make your 
teeth clack together and your hands to sting and go numb. Supple tires 
help with that.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

Check out the solid sounding frequencies coming from a White Industries 
freewheel some time, it's an amazing clear the wayer/faux motor rumbler
-Kai 
Brooklyn NY 

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day

2016-03-23 Thread Bill Lindsay

APPROVE

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 11:49:09 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>
> Received the amazing Appaloosa today!  My wife loved it on first ride, and 
> the packing and condition was flawless as usual.  Some pics after I 
> re-assembled.  More to come as we get it be-fendered and be-lighted.
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskwbFNCA
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[RBW] EDM / Tap Burner

2016-03-23 Thread 'velo59' via RBW Owners Bunch

Why not treat the brake boss as if it were broken and install a repair kit?

I had an old Univega MTB with a broken brake stud.  Installed a repair kit and 
it worked great.

Jason Cloutier
Pawtucket, RI

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day

2016-03-23 Thread Hugh Smitham

Awesome Brian! I know she'll love it.

~Hugh
  Los Angeles, CA

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 11:49:09 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>
> Received the amazing Appaloosa today!  My wife loved it on first ride, and 
> the packing and condition was flawless as usual.  Some pics after I 
> re-assembled.  More to come as we get it be-fendered and be-lighted.
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskwbFNCA
>
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[RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

2016-03-23 Thread Garth


   Isn't it funny  . . . .  we all read of people trying out Riv bikes at 
their HQ and how wonderful they ride .  Notice we don't hear "boy I wish it 
had supple tires" . 

The simple and profound joy of riding a bicycle transcends the make, model 
or type of tires that are on the bike   .  . . . w 
!   

We only make tires a big deal when we turn away from that joy , jaded .  
Yet the joy is always present regardless !  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

Louder pawls make the bike coast faster! ;)

I like the sound of my Deore and Velocity hubs. They arent too loud. I like to 
hear them tick when Im coasting. Feels good.

Once I heard a person with a very loud and plasticy sounding hub. I wouldnt 
want to ride with that one.

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Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

2016-03-23 Thread Toshi Takeuchi

The change in tire is very dramatic when going to a supple tire.  You know
the road buzz when you ride a mountain bike on pavement?  You change that
mountain bike tire to a slick and you go aah!

--Do the same thing from an armored Schwalbe to a GB Hetre and the
perceived result is just as dramatic.  Vibrations are gone--you think you
are going slow because the road buzz is gone.

It truly is a different world--better is relative, but different for sure.

Toshi in Oakland

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[RBW] FS: King Cage foot cage, size XL, $40

2016-03-23 Thread David Sprunger

Colleagues,

I discovered one more item in my basement cleaning: a set of
stainless-steel, MUSA foot cages from King Cage. These were size XL, which
are large but not size 13 street shoe large.  These look just like versions
on the King pages:
http://www.kingcage.com/products-waterbottle-cages.html
http://www.kingcage.com/assets/img/footCage_lg.jpg

You can use these with straps or as half clips as is. Excellent condition.

$40, shipped in the U.S. I'm selling just the cages. There are no straps or
mounting screws.

Thanks,
David Sprunger
Fargo, ND

p.s.  I still have the 59cm Clem frame for sale too.

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Re: [RBW] On tire supple-itude

2016-03-23 Thread Jim Bronson

I think we've gotten to the point with this discussion that people should
just choose a tire according to their preference.

If a smooth, fast ride is a priority for you, ride supple tires.

If longevity and flat resistance are a priority for you, don't ride supple
tires.

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 5:27 PM, ian m  wrote:

> Hopefully not beating a dying horse here, but I am confused by how this
> topic is often discussed. With how BQ and Compass/Grand Bois talk about
> their tires it seems as though it's a binary opposition, right? Supple
> tires vs. non-supple tires, new tire technology vs. old tires, their tires
> vs. the rest. But what is even being discussed when we talk about
> suppleness? Am I confused in thinking that there has long been differing
> levels of casing quality with TPI being a good indicator of suppleness (and
> why doesn't Compass advertise the TPI on their tires)?
>
> It seems to me that it's more of a continuum of supple, from maybe the
> steel belted kevlar enforced urban assault Schwalbe to the hand sewn from
> the finest silk undies race only FMBs. In that continuum you have your
> clincher and your tubular, your wire bead and folding bead, your 120TPI and
> your puncture-proof belt. But where in the continuum are they?
>
> I'm not interested in performance and am a proud unracer. My only Riv bike
> is a Clem and I love it. But I know and appreciate quality bicycle
> components and, as they say, am too poor to buy cheap things. While the
> rising interest in wide tires in the performance bicycling world will mean
> more options for us balloon bikers, that also means more companies making
> all sorts of unverifiable claims about their tires. I remember when I
> switched from Schwalbe Delta Cruisers to Clement 120TPI USH tires on a
> previous touring bike. I was not let down. But would I notice the same
> change if I went from the light Jack Browns on my SS to Compass tires?  I
> would like to upgrade from the bottom of the line wire bead Schwalbe's
> currently on my Clem (mostly because they have a wobble in the bead) to a
> lighter "all road" 650b. How does one compare the supple-itude?
>
> - Perpetually Confused by Marketing
>
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day

2016-03-23 Thread Philip Kim

looking good! that blue is nice.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 2:49:09 AM UTC-4, stonehog wrote:
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> Received the amazing Appaloosa today!  My wife loved it on first ride, and 
> the packing and condition was flawless as usual.  Some pics after I 
> re-assembled.  More to come as we get it be-fendered and be-lighted.
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskwbFNCA
>
> Brian Hanson
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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day

2016-03-23 Thread Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado

Always the best of days!

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 8:36 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch
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> Wow. That blue is really growing on me. A bit retro but very fresh
> nonetheless.  I was initially partial to the mustard. Enjoy. Do the cream
> longboards work with your tires? Otherwise, you might consider spray
> painting to match the cream highlights. I've had good success painting
> aluminum fenders this way.
>
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 6:18:27 AM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> Love the blue! Matches your bathroom iin the pics too!
>> What a nice looking bike.
>> I have noticed these bikes look better in home pics vs. the RBW pics. Nice
>> frame details.
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[RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

2016-03-23 Thread Deacon Patrick

Tim,

We have the 2.1 Lightskin Thunder Burts. They measure 2", but have never 
been inflated over 40psi (mine) or 20psi (theirs).

Where we ride, the paved bits are in the populated areas, so rarely do I 
take pictures, but yes, we do as much on dirt as possible. There is 
slightly more noise with my Thunder Burts on my Hunqapillar than my Compass 
Barlow Passes on my QuickBeam. It is a very quiet tire.

My take on it is its grip (which seems to exceed it's knobby size) comes 
from its suppleness. It forms to the terrain and grips it beautifully. When 
we have mud it's usually chunked with decomposed granite rocks (sharp 
edges), so plenty to grip as you slop through. Grin.

I hope that helps.

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
> Patrick--I notice in your photo sets you and the girls are usually on 
> non-paved surfaces. The Thunderburts look to have a pretty decent set of 
> knobs, especially on the edges. How does this affect riding on paved roads 
> and also cornering at speed? Any loss of contact issues, or buzzing? Also, 
> seem to come in a bewildering array of options. Jensen has what appears to 
> be a big sale going on these if they are the same tire. 
> 2.1" Pacestar Liteskin
> 2.1" Snakeskin, TI Ready
> 2.25" Pacestar Snakeskin TI Easy
>
> Sheesh.
>
> Does a 2.1 fit under Clem w fenders, or do they come 1.9? 
>
> On the more general idea of supple tires for a bicycle like the 
> Clementine, I am feeling pretty good with the not quite stock tires on mine 
> (a packing incident led to me getting the stock Kenda in front and a 
> Schwalbe Big Ben in rear) but I do notice the bike does not roll as far as 
> other bikes on the same route. I was initially going to go for the Compass 
> Switchback EL and run them with Orange Seal, as that seems almost as 
> failsafe as an armored tire (and, knock wood, I do not generally get many 
> flats). I'm skeptical that the TBurt treads will work for my mostly paved 
> commute, so I'd like to hear from others who have tried 48-50mm 650B tires 
> for performance.
>
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 6:54:37 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> The supple, all road tire I ride and put on my daughter's 650b 
>> Clementines for all road/trail bikepacking is Schwalbe's Thunderburt (no 
>> snakebite or other protection). Rides like a dream. They very much noticed 
>> (and love) the difference from the stock tires. We ordered from Germany and 
>> that brought the price down to something reasonable per tire.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Large Riv Romulus on Washington, DC Craigslist...

2016-03-23 Thread Justin Schoop

I was busy this weekend and did not meet with Jeff to look at his Rom. It's a 
little too small for me, but Jeff seems like a great guy.

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Re: [RBW] New Bike Day

2016-03-23 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch

Wow. That blue is really growing on me. A bit retro but very fresh 
nonetheless.  I was initially partial to the mustard. Enjoy. Do the cream 
longboards work with your tires? Otherwise, you might consider spray 
painting to match the cream highlights. I've had good success painting 
aluminum fenders this way. 

On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 6:18:27 AM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Love the blue! Matches your bathroom iin the pics too!
> What a nice looking bike.
> I have noticed these bikes look better in home pics vs. the RBW pics. Nice 
> frame details.

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Re: [RBW] On tire supple-itude


As I age I think there are two ways to describe comfort...
The comfort you feel from a supple tire and the comfort you feel in the 
form of peace of mind that you are riding on tires that are very durable 
and will get you through nasty road conditions flat free, .
You have to pick your priorities and find a balance that makes you happy. 
Twenty five years ago if the tires were skinny and fast, that's all that 
mattered to me.
Jon

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Re: [RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

2016-03-23 Thread Tim Gavin

I have 26 x 2.1" Thunder Burts (Evo Liteskin) on my '88 Schwinn KOM.  They
are surprisingly quiet and fast on pavement, no buzzing.  They are just as
quiet and grippy when cornering as the nearly-slick Super Motos.  They fit
great under SKS P65 longboards.

I highly recommend Bike-discount.de for all your Schwalbe tire needs.  They
have the Evo Liteskin (most supple) version for ~$34 a tire.
http://www.bike-discount.de/en/search?q=burt
They charge a flat ~$23 shipping fee to the US, so you may want to pad your
order with other stuff.  They have excellent prices on anything Shimano
(including the non-US Trekking line), as well as B dynamo lights.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:01 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Patrick--I notice in your photo sets you and the girls are usually on
> non-paved surfaces. The Thunderburts look to have a pretty decent set of
> knobs, especially on the edges. How does this affect riding on paved roads
> and also cornering at speed? Any loss of contact issues, or buzzing? Also,
> seem to come in a bewildering array of options. Jensen has what appears to
> be a big sale going on these if they are the same tire.
> 2.1" Pacestar Liteskin
> 2.1" Snakeskin, TI Ready
> 2.25" Pacestar Snakeskin TI Easy
>
> Sheesh.
>
> Does a 2.1 fit under Clem w fenders, or do they come 1.9?
>
> On the more general idea of supple tires for a bicycle like the
> Clementine, I am feeling pretty good with the not quite stock tires on mine
> (a packing incident led to me getting the stock Kenda in front and a
> Schwalbe Big Ben in rear) but I do notice the bike does not roll as far as
> other bikes on the same route. I was initially going to go for the Compass
> Switchback EL and run them with Orange Seal, as that seems almost as
> failsafe as an armored tire (and, knock wood, I do not generally get many
> flats). I'm skeptical that the TBurt treads will work for my mostly paved
> commute, so I'd like to hear from others who have tried 48-50mm 650B tires
> for performance.
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 6:54:37 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> The supple, all road tire I ride and put on my daughter's 650b
>> Clementines for all road/trail bikepacking is Schwalbe's Thunderburt (no
>> snakebite or other protection). Rides like a dream. They very much noticed
>> (and love) the difference from the stock tires. We ordered from Germany and
>> that brought the price down to something reasonable per tire.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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[RBW] Re: On tire supple-itude

2016-03-23 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch

Patrick--I notice in your photo sets you and the girls are usually on 
non-paved surfaces. The Thunderburts look to have a pretty decent set of 
knobs, especially on the edges. How does this affect riding on paved roads 
and also cornering at speed? Any loss of contact issues, or buzzing? Also, 
seem to come in a bewildering array of options. Jensen has what appears to 
be a big sale going on these if they are the same tire. 
2.1" Pacestar Liteskin
2.1" Snakeskin, TI Ready
2.25" Pacestar Snakeskin TI Easy

Sheesh.

Does a 2.1 fit under Clem w fenders, or do they come 1.9? 

On the more general idea of supple tires for a bicycle like the Clementine, 
I am feeling pretty good with the not quite stock tires on mine (a packing 
incident led to me getting the stock Kenda in front and a Schwalbe Big Ben 
in rear) but I do notice the bike does not roll as far as other bikes on 
the same route. I was initially going to go for the Compass Switchback EL 
and run them with Orange Seal, as that seems almost as failsafe as an 
armored tire (and, knock wood, I do not generally get many flats). I'm 
skeptical that the TBurt treads will work for my mostly paved commute, so 
I'd like to hear from others who have tried 48-50mm 650B tires for 
performance.

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 6:54:37 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> The supple, all road tire I ride and put on my daughter's 650b Clementines 
> for all road/trail bikepacking is Schwalbe's Thunderburt (no snakebite or 
> other protection). Rides like a dream. They very much noticed (and love) 
> the difference from the stock tires. We ordered from Germany and that 
> brought the price down to something reasonable per tire.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Story behind differing Rambouillet lug sets?

2016-03-23 Thread Leslie

Love the bike, but, must admit... it bothers me that it's locked up in a 
way that prevents others from also being able to lock up, too...   



On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 10:52:24 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Speaking of pointy lugs, I spotted this lovely silver Atlantis in Berkeley 
> today. Up-flipped Moustache Bars are an interesting touch. 
>
> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:37:38 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote: 
> > Also found on Saluki 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Hugh Smitham  
> wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > Definitely like a AHH lug. Beautiful! 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 6:22:33 AM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:Here is 
> one version: 
> > http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2005/cc062-joecollins1205.html 
> > Here is t'other: 
> > http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc486-forrestmeyer0508.html 
> > One looks more like knight armour-like. 
> > One looks more swooshy/modern. 
> > I like both. The swooshy one is very clean and mellow looking. 
> > I'm thinking the knight version is maybe built in usa by one of those 
> early riv bike frame builders? Maybe a custom version? Like if you ordered 
> a Bombadil today? But what do i know. 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [RBW] On tire supple-itude

0 the worst - 10 the best:

700c Kenda -5
700c Specialized Armadillo-5
700c Gatorskin-7

650b Swifty-4
650b original Rumpkin-6
650b Marathon Green Guard-8.5
650b Hetre-10
650b Cypress-10
650b Loup Loup-10

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RE: [RBW] On tire supple-itude

2016-03-23 Thread olofstroh

How much to drift on the side of safety is of course a personal thing, but 
methinks you´ve got to take some risks in life. I have ridden many pleasurable 
miles on the Heron Touring with Paselas on bad roads without mishap, but my 
custom Riv sports Pari-Motos. Just wonderful. Otoh they have alternated with 
Jack Brown Greens and I must admit that on a good road I can´t notice any 
difference, that comes on bad roads and trails which also means that it comes 
with a risk. I´ve had one sidewall fail under me and that was not smooth. Still 
worth it.

 

To everyone her/his pleasure, but it´s good to know what you are doing. The 
same with loads and loading.

 

Olof Stroh

Uppsala Sweden

 

 

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John A. Bennett
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 3:12 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: Re: [RBW] On tire supple-itude

 

I've had the same pair(s) of Schwalbe Marathons on my Saluki and Atlantis for 
over 5 years. Never had a flat. Never had a tire fail. 

They feel fine over every surface, and I don't live in fear of potholes, nails, 
pointy rocks, broken glass, or switchblades. 

To me, that's the smoothest ride of all.

 



On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 6:52:15 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:

>From my experience:

 

Solid rubber tire = 0

Super cheapo heavy tire (aka stock tires on box-store bikes) = 1

Studded, heavy (Nokian W160) = 2

Studded, huge (Dillinger 5) = 3

Huge (Ground Control 4.6) = 4

Armored, heavy (Schwalbe Marathon) = 5

Armored (Pasela PT/TG) = 6

Stout (Jack Brown, Ruffy Tuffy) = 7

Light (Super Moto, ITS MK2) = 8

Supple (Thunder Burt, Compass, Grand Bois, Pari-Moto) = 9

 

And I reserve 10 for those hand-sewn 320 tpi tubulars, though I've never ridden 
them.

 

On this scale, each increment in rating indicates a noticeable difference in 
ride quality and rolling resistance.  I.e., if I ride a "7" and an "8" back to 
back, I'll say "nice!".  If I ride a "7" and a "9" back to back, I'll say 
"wow!".

 

-Tim

 

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 5:27 PM, ian m  
wrote:

Hopefully not beating a dying horse here, but I am confused by how this topic 
is often discussed. With how BQ and Compass/Grand Bois talk about their tires 
it seems as though it's a binary opposition, right? Supple tires vs. non-supple 
tires, new tire technology vs. old tires, their tires vs. the rest. But what is 
even being discussed when we talk about suppleness? Am I confused in thinking 
that there has long been differing levels of casing quality with TPI being a 
good indicator of suppleness (and why doesn't Compass advertise the TPI on 
their tires)?

It seems to me that it's more of a continuum of supple, from maybe the steel 
belted kevlar enforced urban assault Schwalbe to the hand sewn from the finest 
silk undies race only FMBs. In that continuum you have your clincher and your 
tubular, your wire bead and folding bead, your 120TPI and your puncture-proof 
belt. But where in the continuum are they?

I'm not interested in performance and am a proud unracer. My only Riv bike is a 
Clem and I love it. But I know and appreciate quality bicycle components and, 
as they say, am too poor to buy cheap things. While the rising interest in wide 
tires in the performance bicycling world will mean more options for us balloon 
bikers, that also means more companies making all sorts of unverifiable claims 
about their tires. I remember when I switched from Schwalbe Delta Cruisers to 
Clement 120TPI USH tires on a previous touring bike. I was not let down. But 
would I notice the same change if I went from the light Jack Browns on my SS to 
Compass tires?  I would like to upgrade from the bottom of the line wire bead 
Schwalbe's currently on my Clem (mostly because they have a wobble in the bead) 
to a lighter "all road" 650b. How does one compare the supple-itude?

- Perpetually Confused by Marketing




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Re: [RBW] On tire supple-itude

2016-03-23 Thread John A. Bennett

I've had the same pair(s) of Schwalbe Marathons on my Saluki and Atlantis 
for over 5 years. Never had a flat. Never had a tire fail. 

They feel fine over every surface, and I don't live in fear of potholes, 
nails, pointy rocks, broken glass, or switchblades. 

To me, *that's* the smoothest ride of all.



On Wednesday, March 23, 2016 at 6:52:15 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> From my experience:
>
> Solid rubber tire = 0
> Super cheapo heavy tire (aka stock tires on box-store bikes) = 1
> Studded, heavy (Nokian W160) = 2
> Studded, huge (Dillinger 5) = 3
> Huge (Ground Control 4.6) = 4
> Armored, heavy (Schwalbe Marathon) = 5
> Armored (Pasela PT/TG) = 6
> Stout (Jack Brown, Ruffy Tuffy) = 7
> Light (Super Moto, ITS MK2) = 8
> Supple (Thunder Burt, Compass, Grand Bois, Pari-Moto) = 9
>
> And I reserve 10 for those hand-sewn 320 tpi tubulars, though I've never 
> ridden them.
>
> On this scale, each increment in rating indicates a noticeable difference 
> in ride quality and rolling resistance.  I.e., if I ride a "7" and an "8" 
> back to back, I'll say "nice!".  If I ride a "7" and a "9" back to back, 
> I'll say "wow!".
>
> -Tim
>
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 5:27 PM, ian m  
> wrote:
>
>> Hopefully not beating a dying horse here, but I am confused by how this 
>> topic is often discussed. With how BQ and Compass/Grand Bois talk about 
>> their tires it seems as though it's a binary opposition, right? Supple 
>> tires vs. non-supple tires, new tire technology vs. old tires, their tires 
>> vs. the rest. But what is even being discussed when we talk about 
>> suppleness? Am I confused in thinking that there has long been differing 
>> levels of casing quality with TPI being a good indicator of suppleness (and 
>> why doesn't Compass advertise the TPI on their tires)?
>>
>> It seems to me that it's more of a continuum of supple, from maybe the 
>> steel belted kevlar enforced urban assault Schwalbe to the hand sewn from 
>> the finest silk undies race only FMBs. In that continuum you have your 
>> clincher and your tubular, your wire bead and folding bead, your 120TPI and 
>> your puncture-proof belt. But where in the continuum are they?
>>
>> I'm not interested in performance and am a proud unracer. My only Riv 
>> bike is a Clem and I love it. But I know and appreciate quality bicycle 
>> components and, as they say, am too poor to buy cheap things. While the 
>> rising interest in wide tires in the performance bicycling world will mean 
>> more options for us balloon bikers, that also means more companies making 
>> all sorts of unverifiable claims about their tires. I remember when I 
>> switched from Schwalbe Delta Cruisers to Clement 120TPI USH tires on a 
>> previous touring bike. I was not let down. But would I notice the same 
>> change if I went from the light Jack Browns on my SS to Compass tires?  I 
>> would like to upgrade from the bottom of the line wire bead Schwalbe's 
>> currently on my Clem (mostly because they have a wobble in the bead) to a 
>> lighter "all road" 650b. How does one compare the supple-itude?
>>
>> - Perpetually Confused by Marketing
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 54cm Quickbeam on Los Angeles Craigslist

2016-03-23 Thread Belopsky

This bike is still up..Can anyone proxy/ship for me? I may want to do this..

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roscoe Bubba headbadge

2016-03-23 Thread Belopsky

Close - 

"tishe yedish, dalshe budesh" which translated to 'the slower you go, the 
further you'll get.' 
If memory serves, this is in reference to the state of Soviet roads..

On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 4:19:25 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I saw Grant post something a while back, referring to "the rosco BLUG", 
> but that's my first time to see that there's a tumblr page for the R05C0 
> 8U883.  Thanks!  I do like the headbadge, and I like the explicit link to 
> Russian.  There is a Russian idiom that has four words in it.  Those four 
> words sound to my ears like:
>
> Taish
> Yeddish
> Diesh
> Buddish
>
> and it translates to something like: slow down and you'll get there 
> sooner.  I always thought that was a pretty Rivvish slogan.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2016 at 3:42:08 AM UTC-7, Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>> It's up on a tumblr blog. How is that low profile?
>>
>> http://roscobubbe.tumblr.com/
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 8:36 PM, dougP  wrote:
>>
>>> Didn't Grant request that this be kept low profile until it got a bit 
>>> further along?  Too many unknowns at this point?  Something like that.
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 11:31:44 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Phallic! Theme song:

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Re: [RBW] On tire supple-itude

2016-03-23 Thread Tim Gavin

>From my experience:

Solid rubber tire = 0
Super cheapo heavy tire (aka stock tires on box-store bikes) = 1
Studded, heavy (Nokian W160) = 2
Studded, huge (Dillinger 5) = 3
Huge (Ground Control 4.6) = 4
Armored, heavy (Schwalbe Marathon) = 5
Armored (Pasela PT/TG) = 6
Stout (Jack Brown, Ruffy Tuffy) = 7
Light (Super Moto, ITS MK2) = 8
Supple (Thunder Burt, Compass, Grand Bois, Pari-Moto) = 9

And I reserve 10 for those hand-sewn 320 tpi tubulars, though I've never
ridden them.

On this scale, each increment in rating indicates a noticeable difference
in ride quality and rolling resistance.  I.e., if I ride a "7" and an "8"
back to back, I'll say "nice!".  If I ride a "7" and a "9" back to back,
I'll say "wow!".

-Tim

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 5:27 PM, ian m  wrote:

> Hopefully not beating a dying horse here, but I am confused by how this
> topic is often discussed. With how BQ and Compass/Grand Bois talk about
> their tires it seems as though it's a binary opposition, right? Supple
> tires vs. non-supple tires, new tire technology vs. old tires, their tires
> vs. the rest. But what is even being discussed when we talk about
> suppleness? Am I confused in thinking that there has long been differing
> levels of casing quality with TPI being a good indicator of suppleness (and
> why doesn't Compass advertise the TPI on their tires)?
>
> It seems to me that it's more of a continuum of supple, from maybe the
> steel belted kevlar enforced urban assault Schwalbe to the hand sewn from
> the finest silk undies race only FMBs. In that continuum you have your
> clincher and your tubular, your wire bead and folding bead, your 120TPI and
> your puncture-proof belt. But where in the continuum are they?
>
> I'm not interested in performance and am a proud unracer. My only Riv bike
> is a Clem and I love it. But I know and appreciate quality bicycle
> components and, as they say, am too poor to buy cheap things. While the
> rising interest in wide tires in the performance bicycling world will mean
> more options for us balloon bikers, that also means more companies making
> all sorts of unverifiable claims about their tires. I remember when I
> switched from Schwalbe Delta Cruisers to Clement 120TPI USH tires on a
> previous touring bike. I was not let down. But would I notice the same
> change if I went from the light Jack Browns on my SS to Compass tires?  I
> would like to upgrade from the bottom of the line wire bead Schwalbe's
> currently on my Clem (mostly because they have a wobble in the bead) to a
> lighter "all road" 650b. How does one compare the supple-itude?
>
> - Perpetually Confused by Marketing
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

2016-03-23 Thread Tim Gavin

On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Patrick Kelly  wrote:

>
>
> It's also been mentioned (in some thread about Joes) that the rear hub
> is loud. It's not the loudest I've heard, but it is louder than
> average. Personally I find this to be a feature, since you can stop
> pedaling a bit when coming up behind people and they may hear you
> coming. It's less alarming than a bell.
>
>
FYI, you can quiet most hubs by putting a tiny bit of oil or light grease
on the pawls (after removing the cassette and freehub).  Phil's Tenacious
oil is about perfect for this application.

The product description of the Silver Hubs
 says:
"They disassemble easily, so you can -- if you want to--add more grease to
the pawls and silence them even more."

I bought the Velo Orange Grand Cru touring hub, and found it to be pretty
loud as well.  I added a tiny pea-sized dab of grease to each pawl and it's
much quieter.  Be careful with grease; too much of it can make the pawl
springs sticky and ineffective.

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[RBW] Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

2016-03-23 Thread WETH

Bill,
Glad the bike is treating you well. It looks great, too.
Erl

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[RBW] Joe Appaloosa -- 100 mile report, whimsical photo and Want To Scavenge post

2016-03-23 Thread WETH

Bill,
Glad the bike is treating you well. It looks great, too.
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Large Riv Romulus on Washington, DC Craigslist...

2016-03-23 Thread Elisabeth Sherwood

So, I noticed the ad is still on Craigslist. Presumably still available?

Justin -- did you take a look?

-- Liz
Washington, DC



On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 3:50:07 PM UTC-4, Justin Schoop wrote:
>
> I've talked to the owner and plan on checking it out this coming weekend.

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