[RBW] Re: I'm in on the Fat-Lantis club

[Bill Lindsay]

DY-NO-MITE!

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[RBW] Long/scenic day rides to do from the New York City area

[Kainalu]

Poughkeepsie to Beacon sounds nice. I ride through Van Cortland and up the 
Putnam trail on my commute to work, it's lovely. You can spend a great day just 
exploring trails in the Park. 
I've heard taLe of a fairly large organized ride of the Croton Aqueduct trail 
that happens every year, there's probably a thread around here regarding it. 
I've got a very loose plan to head up it soon with an experienced list member 
guide, still trying to get my stars to align. Lately the only riding I do 
involves the trails, streets, and bridges between Brooklyn and Bronxville, 
those miles qualifying as commute and not selfish indulgence (lately my 
indulgences outside of cycling center on fun with my 2 and 4 year old sons, so 
I'm wildly optimistic about future in depth exploration in all directions). 
Looking forward to hearing about these rides and more.
-Kai
Brooklyn NY 

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RE: [RBW] Re: Riv-ish minivan hack for the dad- and mom-jeans set

[olofstroh]

Putting my foot into the wheel riding on the rear rack in 1946 and still 
wearing the scars to show it I strongly support a shield.

 

Gratefully though the foot have worked fine all my life and I am of course the 
tougher man with those scars.

 

Olof „marked for life“ Stroh

Uppsala Sweden

 

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gavin
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 10:24 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Riv-ish minivan hack for the dad- and mom-jeans set

 

Nice job! 

 

I do recommend some sort of shield behind the pegs on the rear rack, to prevent 
the rear kiddo from inadvertently putting her toe into the spokes.

 

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:01 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com  
wrote:

Does it come with the above-mentioned pants?

 

Really cool hack Leif!!!



On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 12:47:00 PM UTC-7, Leif Eckstrom wrote:

Hello listers,

 

I wanted to share this kid-hauling project that was inspired by ideas and goods 
presented on this list, the blug, and such. I'm really happy with how it turned 
out. It's very comfortable, surprisingly steady, and heartily kid-approved. I 
think this set-up would only be improved on a bike with actual riv-designed 
features: Looong top tube and longer wheelbase, for starters. My seat is set 
low to compensate for small amount of clearance behind the kid in front. Not 
really much of an imposition though; this is easily my best minivan yet. 
Nevertheless, the stretched Clems and Appaloosas would be even better, I 
imagine. 

 

Anyway, if you're interested in what's what:

Front carrier: iBert, also recommend the Tot toter, if just carrying one.

Rear: steel tandem stoker stem bought from list-member Sean (thanks again!); 
old riser bars cut down for aero tucks; Newbaums in kid A's favorite color 
(eggplant); (bar-ends have been appropriately corked by the by; twine to be 
applied soon); swim noodle and zip ties--totally stolen from Grant P or whoever 
thought of those ideas in the bar wrap vid--but in celeste, the fastest color; 
older Portland Design Works Payload rack with steel tubes and a nicely 
oversize, half-circle of extra tubing near the bottom--designed for bungee or 
pannier attachment but here holds the fender washers, bolt, and drilled n cut 
down hand rail segments, making the new old-school foot pegs. Naturally, the 
pegs were shellacked. I think that's it. Thanks for all the inspiration, ideas, 
and parts swapping over the years. 

Best,

Leif

Chicago

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm in on the Fat-Lantis club

[Mark Reimer]

Unnghhh!!! So hot!! That green is gorgeous. And I LOVE road drops with fatties. 

> On May 5, 2016, at 10:15 PM, gordo  wrote:
> 
> Thanks to Mark and Bill for the inspiration.  Here's a photo of my recently 
> acquired Atlantis with 2.1 Thunder Burts.  Rides great with the exception of 
> the lackluster Shimano brakes (these will be swapped out for a set of Pauls 
> during the next rainy day).
> 
> Atlantis in GG Park
> 
> Happy riding,
> 
> Eric
> 
>> On Saturday, April 2, 2016 at 1:38:41 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>> Since I'm using my Appaloosa as my camping bike, my Atlantis got kind of 
>> demoted to the humiliating state of "really heavy road bike".  That's not 
>> good enough, so I pulled her fenders, and re-shod her with some 29x2.0" 
>> knobbies.  Please don't hate me that the sidewalls say "Cannondale" on them. 
>>  They are hand-me-downs from my Mountain Bike Racing Team.  Now the Atlantis 
>> is looking stripped down, bad-ass, and butch.  If you wanted a nice steel 
>> rim-brake monstercross bike, this would not be a bad way to do it.  It 
>> should be fun for some summer trail riding.  
>> 
>> FAT-Lantis2
>> 
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: I'm in on the Fat-Lantis club

[gordo]

Thanks to Mark and Bill for the inspiration.  Here's a photo of my recently 
acquired Atlantis with 2.1 Thunder Burts.  Rides great with the exception 
of the lackluster Shimano brakes (these will be swapped out for a set of 
Pauls during the next rainy day).

Atlantis in GG Park 


Happy riding,

Eric

On Saturday, April 2, 2016 at 1:38:41 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Since I'm using my Appaloosa as my camping bike, my Atlantis got kind of 
> demoted to the humiliating state of "really heavy road bike".  That's not 
> good enough, so I pulled her fenders, and re-shod her with some 29x2.0" 
> knobbies.  Please don't hate me that the sidewalls say "Cannondale" on 
> them.  They are hand-me-downs from my Mountain Bike Racing Team.  Now the 
> Atlantis is looking stripped down, bad-ass, and butch.  If you wanted a 
> nice steel rim-brake monstercross bike, this would not be a bad way to do 
> it.  It should be fun for some summer trail riding.  
>
> FAT-Lantis2 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Fwd: Fargo for sale

[Patrick Shea]

Greetings:

I put this up on Craigslist, maybe there is interest here.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/5569522411.html

Not mentioned are the VO fenders and rear rack plus I will throw in the
Axiom panniers gratis. Everything works great, no clanks or clunks.

Rivsters can have it for $800 plus shipping.

Bay Area Rivsters can pick it up at my shed in SF or any BART stop for $750.

Cheers,
Patrick Shea

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv-ish Ride Down the CA Coast

[Patrick Moore]

I still think that the California coast has the most beautiful landscapes
of any place in the USA.

Thanks for the photos.


> On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 8:21:48 AM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> I finally pulled the trigger this past weekend and took off on a solo,
>> three-day ride down the California Coast, from Millbrae to Santa Barbara.
>> I’ve done this ride several times, but always with a support vehicle to
>> keep my bike light.
>>
>> This time, I rode a Soma Saga that I bought recently from a fellow
>> lister, and carried everything with me.
>>
>> The weather cooperated … mostly. Temperatures were great, there was
>> hardly a cloud in the sky, but Day Two, the toughest portion of the ride
>> (8,000 feet of climbing) was plagued by day-long headwinds.
>>
>> Photos prove it happened, and that the  conditions were excellent:
>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/campyonlyguy/57ttiv
>>
>> --Eric N
>> campyo...@me.com
>> www.CampyOnly.com 
>> Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>> @Campyonlyguy
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[RBW] Re: Bike for Catie/Clem substitute: Bridgestone CB3

[Patrick Moore]

Well, prudent analysis finally caught up with impulsive spending, and I
arranged to return the 20.5 inch c-c MB3 for a 17" Diamond Back
somethingortheother with, oddly, almost identical Deore/Deore DX 7 speed
componentry -- and the 17" has 170 mm cranks instead of the MB3's 175s.

I am debating whether to install the 9 speed drivetrain, brakes, and the
very nice Maxxis Ikon tubeless wheels on the DB, and sell the frameset +
crankset, or whether I'd be better off selling the Race Lite whole and
getting better tires and a higher stem with angle-back bar for the DB.

*This* Diamond Back is much nicer than the other, aluminum frame DB which
is being replaced -- heck, in fact, that thing sold for $165 at Stevie's
last Saturday, the same day I listed it. I clear $124 after Steve takes his
cut, but I think I paid only $100 for it.

This "new" DB has a chromo frame and fork, and not the POS and useless
"suspension" fork that the other DB had.

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Re: [RBW] solo on River Road

[Ron Mc]

more like this 



I didn't get a shot of the cooler today - the kids kept it sequestered - 
this is from last year

and a really cool one from earlier with the Stylus SW stuck in the river



a very pretty spot just downriver



that's my daughter helping  





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>
> Is that "fly" as in this:
>
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
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[RBW] Re: Long/scenic day rides to do from the New York City area

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Good stuff, Bob; thanks for putting this together! I've done the Trenton to 
New Brunswick ride, and I'll have to check out the rest.

Bob E

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[RBW] Re: solo on River Road

[Deacon Patrick]

Sounds great all around! That last one is not a fry! Wow!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 7:30:58 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
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> Today I met a class of 4th graders at the river, and since I was going to 
> the river, hauled along a bike.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv-ish minivan hack for the dad- and mom-jeans set

[Patrick Moore]

The photo of the 3 of you on the bike is very cute. As the kiddos get
bigger, you can put them into a doublewide trailer. At least around here in
ABQ, NM, used trailers are easy to find on Craigslist and in bike shops
that do consignments.

10-12 years ago, when Catie was 2-3-4, our Saturday morning routine
included a bike ride with the trailer, stopping at the nearby dollar store
for a balloon or 2. The puller bike was a rather nice, if heavy, early
Raleigh Technium with lng stays and room for fat, white Conti 32s, and
a 67 or 68" gear. Great fun, and a great workout pulling the doublewide
(room for groceries and daughter) against a NM headwind.

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[RBW] solo on River Road

[Ron Mc]

Today I met a class of 4th graders at the river, and since I was going to 
the river, hauled along a bike.
Since Thanksgiving, the kids have raised rainbow trout from eggs to fry in 
a refrigerated aquarium in their classroom.
I head up Trout in the Classroom for the state (volunteer) and have a dozen 
schools and a thousand kids involved.  It's a bit like herding cats, but 
have the teachers here for that...
And it was a beautiful place, a private residence -  one of 17 locations on 
the Guadalupe tailrace where our Trout Unlimited chapter leases access.
 
the kids lined up to get in the cold water - at this spot, 50 degrees, even 
in summer, even in drought, which we don't have this year - we should 
summer-over 16 miles of fish this year
and release their trout fry
 
This isn't about fish - the class put 115 rainbow fry into the river (I 
know the odds of one making it to adult, and no need to spell it out).  
We're not raising trout here, we're raising conservationists. 
Service done, I went back to park at the VFW hall at the top of River Road, 
and took off on the bike.

The ride down to Huaco Springs is about 14 mi one way, and return the same 
way.  It rolls up and down the bluffs along the river and crosses the river 
5 times.
While most of the river is fast, I only had decent landings at slow spots - 
it's all private camps, and access is limited.
The morning started off in the 50s, but sunny and dry, quickly warmed into 
the 80s - not complaining.
The beauty of this ride, most of it is enveloped in cypress tunnels, so 
it's always 15 degrees cooler in the shade by the river than on the bare 
sunny highway.  
Had a really nice chat with a couple of roadies who gradually overtook me - 
one was on steel.  We paced for about a mile and talked about bikes.  
A few stops along the way.  I was riding the Italian Huffy (and sorry, 
phone photos).
Huaco Springs
 
Rockin' R
 
Ponderosa
 
(phone color is a bit off, the red is not quite this lipstick)
about those s. Texas tailwater rainbows - 
 - we're gonna need a bigger net

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Re: [RBW] More, or less lights/reflectivity better?

[Eric Norris]

Famous sag driver Lee Mitchell, who spent hundreds (thousands?) of hours 
following cyclists in all weather and lighting conditions, said that reflective 
ankle bands worked best at making a cyclist visible--and recognizable as a 
cyclist. I still follow his advice.

--Eric N
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> On May 5, 2016, at 2:02 PM, John Phillips  wrote:
> 
> Dill Pickle Gear also makes great reflective velcro ankle bands.
> 
> I read a study (forgot where) that concluded that reflective ankle bands made 
> bicyclists more visible & identifiable to approaching drivers from a longer 
> distance, so someone has tried to determine what makes cyclists more visible 
> at night.
> 
> John
>   
> 
>> On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 1:27:44 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>> The unique thing about the ones from Rivendell is that they velcro to 
>> themselves making a flat reflective bar that sticks out from your ankle.  
>> Our San Francisco Randonneurs conspicuity zealots swear by them.  Our main 
>> zealot, Jack Holmgren, made this presentation:
>> 
>> http://www.docfoc.com/conspicuity-for-cyclist-survival-jack-holmgren-member-san-francisco-randonneurs
>> 
>> There is probably nothing in that presentation that you don't already know, 
>> Steve, but the rest of the group might like it.  It's a powerpoint with 38 
>> slides.  
>> 
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> 
>> On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 12:59:36 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 05/05/2016 02:43 PM, Curtis McKenzie wrote: 
>>> > Plus one on the ankle reflector.  Riv is currently out of stock. 
>>> 
>>> You should be able to find reflective ankle bands in any running store.
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[RBW] For Sale-Sackville bags and Wald basket

[Steven Butcher]

I'm listing for sale one large Sackville Shopsack and one extra small 
Sackville Saddlesack both in olive and excellent to like new condition.  
Also, including a large Wald basket in very good condition without bends or 
breaks.  I'm just going to go with my Carradice and medium Wald basket 
set-up.  I'm asking $130.00 plus shipping CONUS from 65785.  Paypal Family 
and Friends preferred.  I'm not really very interested in trades.  If 
you're interested please send me a PM.  Thanks, Steve.

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[RBW] Re: seatpost size and sealed seat tube in 89 RB-2?

[Ryan Fleming]

If you don't have any luck getting an answer here, there is a  related list 
with lots of knowledgeable folks...some of whom are in both groups

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/internet-bob  


And Sheldon Brown site has some scanned bridgestone catalogs going back to 
88 or so...I know this because my partner Terry Scott did some of the 
scans...

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/ 

Good luck!

On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 11:42:03 AM UTC-5, Steve Litvin wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Two questions:
>
> 1) Anyone know what the seatpost size is for a 89 Rb-2?  I've actually 
> owned it since 91 or so but its been sitting for a while.  I thought it was 
> 27.2, but I'm getting the feeling its a 27.0 or 26.8
>
> 2) Did this generation of Bridgestones come with sealed seat tubes?  I was 
> cleaning up the bike and for the first time noticed there seems to be a 
> sealed plug 10 inches or so down the seat tube.  At first I thought maybe I 
> was forgetting I snapped a post off in it but it seems to be sealed, like 
> the tool to remove a traditional head set race.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Steve
>

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Re: [RBW] More, or less lights/reflectivity better?

[ascpgh]

Countertop POP display of reflective ankle bands at many LBS too.

Still dark both ways of my commute. I've been pretty decently 
seen/recognized outfitted as such:

Hub generator, Luxos LED headlight, LED fender mounted taillight (no 
blink), reflective triangle on bag, PB LED taillight (no blink) on bag 
loop, reflective band on right leg to keep material off chain (when cool 
enough for long pants), shell jacket with reflective trim all over it. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 3:59:36 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 05/05/2016 02:43 PM, Curtis McKenzie wrote: 
> > Plus one on the ankle reflector.  Riv is currently out of stock. 
>
> You should be able to find reflective ankle bands in any running store. 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] More, or less lights/reflectivity better?

[Steve Palincsar]

Maybe I'm missing something, but it sure seems to me as though "stealth" 
and "conspicuity" are diametric opposites.   I also think the idea that 
motorists actually want to hit you is ridiculous.


On 05/05/2016 05:49 PM, masmojo wrote:

Obviously one has to be able to "be seen", when I speak of a "stealth mode" I mearly mean 
that I am removing my very visible self out of harms way as much as possible,  being seeable as opposed to 
feeling like I have a big blinking arrow floating above my head that says "hit me". Which as 
ridiculous as it sounds might as well be what some cyclists seem to do.
A recent post by someone on Facebook,  stated the the law says "they can use the whole 
lane, so they are going to use the whole lane"! Well, more power to them & please 
keep a spot warm for me in the afterlife,  because you are gonna get there WAY before me! 
Just because the law says you can, does not always mean it's a smart thing to do!



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Re: [RBW] More, or less lights/reflectivity better?

[masmojo]

Obviously one has to be able to "be seen", when I speak of a "stealth mode" I 
mearly mean that I am removing my very visible self out of harms way as much as 
possible,  being seeable as opposed to feeling like I have a big blinking arrow 
floating above my head that says "hit me". Which as ridiculous as it sounds 
might as well be what some cyclists seem to do. 
A recent post by someone on Facebook,  stated the the law says "they can use 
the whole lane, so they are going to use the whole lane"! Well, more power to 
them & please keep a spot warm for me in the afterlife,  because you are gonna 
get there WAY before me! Just because the law says you can, does not always 
mean it's a smart thing to do!

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[RBW] Re: Riv-ish minivan hack for the dad- and mom-jeans set

[Edwin W]

That is awesome!

I agree some sort of skirt guard so that the kid can't put their toe in the 
spokes. I was riding my youngest home on my rack and I think he put his 
foot in between the rack struts and broke his tibia. OW! That was the worst 
dad worst bike advocacy moment for me since we have our first kid 10 years 
ago. And I have had plenty of bad dad bad bike advocate moments!!
Deacon's suggestion of panniers is good, or some kind of lacing between the 
struts - I think that is a higher risk area than behind the struts.

Riding with kids so fun.

Edwin

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 2:47:00 PM UTC-5, Leif Eckstrom wrote:
>
> Hello listers,
>
>
> I wanted to share this kid-hauling project that was inspired by ideas and 
> goods presented on this list, the blug, and such. I'm really happy with how 
> it turned out. It's very comfortable, surprisingly steady, and heartily 
> kid-approved. I think this set-up would only be improved on a bike with 
> actual riv-designed features: Looong top tube and longer wheelbase, for 
> starters. My seat is set low to compensate for small amount of clearance 
> behind the kid in front. Not really much of an imposition though; this is 
> easily my best minivan yet. Nevertheless, the stretched Clems and 
> Appaloosas would be even better, I imagine. 
>
>
> Anyway, if you're interested in what's what:
>
> Front carrier: iBert, also recommend the Tot toter, if just carrying one.
>
> Rear: steel tandem stoker stem bought from list-member Sean (thanks 
> again!); old riser bars cut down for aero tucks; Newbaums in kid A's 
> favorite color (eggplant); (bar-ends have been appropriately corked by the 
> by; twine to be applied soon); swim noodle and zip ties--totally stolen 
> from Grant P or whoever thought of those ideas in the bar wrap vid--but in 
> celeste, the fastest color; older Portland Design Works Payload rack with 
> steel tubes and a nicely oversize, half-circle of extra tubing near the 
> bottom--designed for bungee or pannier attachment but here holds the fender 
> washers, bolt, and drilled n cut down hand rail segments, making the new 
> old-school foot pegs. Naturally, the pegs were shellacked. I think that's 
> it. Thanks for all the inspiration, ideas, and parts swapping over the 
> years. 
>
> Best,
>
> Leif
>
> Chicago
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> 
>  
>
>
> 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] More, or less lights/reflectivity better?

[John Phillips]

Dill Pickle Gear also makes great reflective velcro ankle bands.

I read a study (forgot where) that concluded that reflective ankle bands 
made bicyclists more visible & identifiable to approaching drivers from a 
longer distance, so someone has tried to determine what makes cyclists more 
visible at night.

John
  

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 1:27:44 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The unique thing about the ones from Rivendell is that they velcro to 
> themselves making a flat reflective bar that sticks out from your ankle. 
>  Our San Francisco Randonneurs conspicuity zealots swear by them.  Our main 
> zealot, Jack Holmgren, made this presentation:
>
>
> http://www.docfoc.com/conspicuity-for-cyclist-survival-jack-holmgren-member-san-francisco-randonneurs
>
> There is probably nothing in that presentation that you don't already 
> know, Steve, but the rest of the group might like it.  It's a powerpoint 
> with 38 slides.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 12:59:36 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 05/05/2016 02:43 PM, Curtis McKenzie wrote: 
>> > Plus one on the ankle reflector.  Riv is currently out of stock. 
>>
>> You should be able to find reflective ankle bands in any running store. 
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv-ish minivan hack for the dad- and mom-jeans set

[Deacon Patrick]

Panniers work great as a shield! (And I used them as the "cushion" on the 
rack also). 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 2:24:30 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Nice job! 
>
> I do recommend some sort of shield behind the pegs on the rear rack, to 
> prevent the rear kiddo from inadvertently putting her toe into the spokes.
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:01 PM, cyclot...@gmail.com  <
> cyclot...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> Does it come with the above-mentioned pants?
>>
>> Really cool hack Leif!!!
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 12:47:00 PM UTC-7, Leif Eckstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Hello listers,
>>>
>>>
>>> I wanted to share this kid-hauling project that was inspired by ideas 
>>> and goods presented on this list, the blug, and such. I'm really happy with 
>>> how it turned out. It's very comfortable, surprisingly steady, and heartily 
>>> kid-approved. I think this set-up would only be improved on a bike with 
>>> actual riv-designed features: Looong top tube and longer wheelbase, for 
>>> starters. My seat is set low to compensate for small amount of clearance 
>>> behind the kid in front. Not really much of an imposition though; this is 
>>> easily my best minivan yet. Nevertheless, the stretched Clems and 
>>> Appaloosas would be even better, I imagine. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyway, if you're interested in what's what:
>>>
>>> Front carrier: iBert, also recommend the Tot toter, if just carrying one.
>>>
>>> Rear: steel tandem stoker stem bought from list-member Sean (thanks 
>>> again!); old riser bars cut down for aero tucks; Newbaums in kid A's 
>>> favorite color (eggplant); (bar-ends have been appropriately corked by the 
>>> by; twine to be applied soon); swim noodle and zip ties--totally stolen 
>>> from Grant P or whoever thought of those ideas in the bar wrap vid--but in 
>>> celeste, the fastest color; older Portland Design Works Payload rack with 
>>> steel tubes and a nicely oversize, half-circle of extra tubing near the 
>>> bottom--designed for bungee or pannier attachment but here holds the fender 
>>> washers, bolt, and drilled n cut down hand rail segments, making the new 
>>> old-school foot pegs. Naturally, the pegs were shellacked. I think that's 
>>> it. Thanks for all the inspiration, ideas, and parts swapping over the 
>>> years. 
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Leif
>>>
>>> Chicago
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv-ish minivan hack for the dad- and mom-jeans set

[Tim Gavin]

Nice job!

I do recommend some sort of shield behind the pegs on the rear rack, to
prevent the rear kiddo from inadvertently putting her toe into the spokes.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:01 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com <
cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Does it come with the above-mentioned pants?
>
> Really cool hack Leif!!!
>
>
> On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 12:47:00 PM UTC-7, Leif Eckstrom wrote:
>
>> Hello listers,
>>
>>
>> I wanted to share this kid-hauling project that was inspired by ideas and
>> goods presented on this list, the blug, and such. I'm really happy with how
>> it turned out. It's very comfortable, surprisingly steady, and heartily
>> kid-approved. I think this set-up would only be improved on a bike with
>> actual riv-designed features: Looong top tube and longer wheelbase, for
>> starters. My seat is set low to compensate for small amount of clearance
>> behind the kid in front. Not really much of an imposition though; this is
>> easily my best minivan yet. Nevertheless, the stretched Clems and
>> Appaloosas would be even better, I imagine.
>>
>>
>> Anyway, if you're interested in what's what:
>>
>> Front carrier: iBert, also recommend the Tot toter, if just carrying one.
>>
>> Rear: steel tandem stoker stem bought from list-member Sean (thanks
>> again!); old riser bars cut down for aero tucks; Newbaums in kid A's
>> favorite color (eggplant); (bar-ends have been appropriately corked by the
>> by; twine to be applied soon); swim noodle and zip ties--totally stolen
>> from Grant P or whoever thought of those ideas in the bar wrap vid--but in
>> celeste, the fastest color; older Portland Design Works Payload rack with
>> steel tubes and a nicely oversize, half-circle of extra tubing near the
>> bottom--designed for bungee or pannier attachment but here holds the fender
>> washers, bolt, and drilled n cut down hand rail segments, making the new
>> old-school foot pegs. Naturally, the pegs were shellacked. I think that's
>> it. Thanks for all the inspiration, ideas, and parts swapping over the
>> years.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Leif
>>
>> Chicago
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
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Re: [RBW] More, or less lights/reflectivity better?

[Bill Lindsay]

The unique thing about the ones from Rivendell is that they velcro to 
themselves making a flat reflective bar that sticks out from your ankle. 
 Our San Francisco Randonneurs conspicuity zealots swear by them.  Our main 
zealot, Jack Holmgren, made this presentation:

http://www.docfoc.com/conspicuity-for-cyclist-survival-jack-holmgren-member-san-francisco-randonneurs

There is probably nothing in that presentation that you don't already know, 
Steve, but the rest of the group might like it.  It's a powerpoint with 38 
slides.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 12:59:36 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 05/05/2016 02:43 PM, Curtis McKenzie wrote: 
> > Plus one on the ankle reflector.  Riv is currently out of stock. 
>
> You should be able to find reflective ankle bands in any running store. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam rebuild for light-loaded road touring: your thoughts, experiences & assitance?

[iamkeith]

Looks like  I was typing my last reply just as you were sending yours, 
Jeremy, so we addressed some of the same things.  Sorry.

As to the issue you raised about quick releases - yea, that's something I 
wish I had too, and I know I'd use the gears (and therefore bike) more if I 
didn't have to carry a wrench in order to stop-and-swap.  Shy of switching 
to a QR axle, and for about the same cost, I've thought about getting these 
wingnuts.  I don't know if they'd work, but would love to hear feedback 
from someone who has tried.  Thoughts?:

http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/wheelsets-rims-hubs/skewers/vo-stainless-wingnuts-mkii.html
 

> However, the hardest part in any of this is finding an appropriate QR 
> skewer to fit the 120mm spacing of the QB and hold the wheel securely. 
>  Pretty much all currently available skewers are built for modern road 
> (130mm) or mtb (135mm) spacing, and don't have enough threads to clamp 
> 120mm dropouts.  You may have luck searching for skewers out of a vintage 
> hub or replacement wheel, but it might be hard to find something in good 
> enough shape to work reliably.  You want something steel and enclosed cam, 
> like current Shimano QR's.  I finally found that Merry Sales (distributor 
> for Soma, Nitto, etc.) had a few 120mm skewers, good quality with enclosed 
> cams and steel clamping faces.  However, they were buried deep on their B2B 
> website and being sold at close-out, last-of-the-bunch prices, so I don't 
> know if they are still available or not.   
>
>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Long/scenic day rides to do from the New York City area

[jeffrey kane]

Damn, Bob B, thanks o much -- I've been too lazy (or a just creature of 
habit, really) to figure out those Van Cortland Park / Kitchawan / Brewster 
runs myself but am totally going to hit these routes now! 

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 3:02:04 PM UTC-4, Bob B wrote:
>
> I wanted to share a handful of the day rides I've done or am hoping to do 
> in the New York area, and perhaps get area-RBWOBers to share their routes 
> as well.
>
> These are destination rides that go along to scenic trails or bridges. The 
> goal is long stretches of scenic riding, as much as possible not in the 
> shoulder of a 45mph road. These are also relatively easy-going rides.
>
> Here's what I've come up with:
>
>
> *Battery Park (or wherever you live) to Brewster, NY *
>
> *Google Map Link:* *Click Here 
> *
>   
>
> *Length:* 64.2 miles
>
> *Route Info:* West Side Greenway > Van Cortlandt Park, Old Putnam Trail > 
> S County Trailway > N County Trailway all the way to Brewster, NY. Stop for 
> dinner and take the Metro North train from Brewster back to the city
>
> *Surface:* Mostly paved, a little dirt 
>
> *Camping Variant:* Possible to turn west from N. County Trailway towards 
> *Nimham 
> State Forest Multiple Use Area 
> *, which has MTB 
> trails and allows camping
>
>  
>
>  
> *Van Cortlandt Park (or where you live) to Kitchawan, NY and back*
>
> *Google Maps Link:* *Click Here 
> *
>   
>
> *Length:* 59.6 miles
>
> *Surface:* Paved and dirt/gravel
>
> *Route Info:* More or less Based on a Bike Snob ride report: Van 
> Cortlandt Park > Old Putnam Trail > S County Trailway > N County Trailway > 
> At Kitchawan hop over westward to Old Croton Trailway State Park > return 
> South along Old Croton Aqueduct Trail back to Van Cortlandt Park
>
>  
>
> *Trenton, NJ to New Brunswick*
>
> *Google Maps Link:* *Click Here 
> *
>   
>
> *Length:* 38.9 miles
>
> *Surface:* Paved and dirt/gravel
>
> *Route Info:* NJ Transit to Trenton > Raritan Canal State Park Trail all 
> thew way to New Brunswick > NJ Transit from New Brunswick back to the city
>
>
>
> *Poughkeepsie, NY over-the-Hudson-and-back to Beacon, NY*
>
> *Google Maps Link:* *Click Here 
> *
>  
>
> *Length:* 67.2 miles
>
> *Surface:* Paved and dirt/gravel
>
> *Route Info:* Metro North to Poughkeepsie > Walkway over the Hudson > 
> Some back roads > Wallkill Valley Trail > Some back roads > Newburgh-Beacon 
> Bridge to Beacon, NY. Stop for dinner and take Metro North train from 
> Beacon back to the city
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam rebuild for light-loaded road touring: your thoughts, experiences & assitance?

[iamkeith]

Just wanted to add some data to what Bill says here, in which he is totally 
correct:

Suntour cranksets are some of the best ever in my opinion, but remember 
that they produce an extremely narrow Q-factor, and require a longer 
spindle than just about anything else out there.   Not sure which model you 
have.  I'm most familiar with the XC-Pro version, but I think the XC is the 
same?   Additionally, if you're trying to match the stock Quickbeam 
configuration, remember that you'll be using the inner and middle chainring 
positions - not the middle and outer.   The outer would ideally have a 
pant/chain guard.

In case it helps, I just recently installed an XC-Pro crank on my Clem, in 
a Quickbeam-esqe, 2x configuration, with the Sugino chain/pant guard from 
Riv:  
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/chrg.htm

(Pic below.)

FYI and as expected, I had to get a MUCH longer bb than the one provided 
with the frame.  If it helps, my chainline (measured to the center 
chainring - which is actually the outer, in this application) is roughly 49 
mm, using a 127mm spindle.  Meanwhile, the chainline on my QB, measured 
to the corresponding OUTSIDE cog of a White Industries double freewheel, on 
a 120mm Origin8 flip-flop hub, is 48mm. Depending on how your crank and hub 
differ (or don't, as the case may be), you should be able to extrapolate 
from there as to what you need.








On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 12:51:25 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> "Bottom bracket length- the track crank had affixed itself to a stubby 
> little number, doubt it's gonna work with a double.  Anyone know the stock 
> spindle length off the top of their heads?"
>
> The bottom bracket length you need depends on your crankset.  Knowing the 
> 'stock size' is only useful if you are going to use the stock crankset.  
>
>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv-ish minivan hack for the dad- and mom-jeans set

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Does it come with the above-mentioned pants?

Really cool hack Leif!!!


On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 12:47:00 PM UTC-7, Leif Eckstrom wrote:
>
> Hello listers,
>
>
> I wanted to share this kid-hauling project that was inspired by ideas and 
> goods presented on this list, the blug, and such. I'm really happy with how 
> it turned out. It's very comfortable, surprisingly steady, and heartily 
> kid-approved. I think this set-up would only be improved on a bike with 
> actual riv-designed features: Looong top tube and longer wheelbase, for 
> starters. My seat is set low to compensate for small amount of clearance 
> behind the kid in front. Not really much of an imposition though; this is 
> easily my best minivan yet. Nevertheless, the stretched Clems and 
> Appaloosas would be even better, I imagine. 
>
>
> Anyway, if you're interested in what's what:
>
> Front carrier: iBert, also recommend the Tot toter, if just carrying one.
>
> Rear: steel tandem stoker stem bought from list-member Sean (thanks 
> again!); old riser bars cut down for aero tucks; Newbaums in kid A's 
> favorite color (eggplant); (bar-ends have been appropriately corked by the 
> by; twine to be applied soon); swim noodle and zip ties--totally stolen 
> from Grant P or whoever thought of those ideas in the bar wrap vid--but in 
> celeste, the fastest color; older Portland Design Works Payload rack with 
> steel tubes and a nicely oversize, half-circle of extra tubing near the 
> bottom--designed for bungee or pannier attachment but here holds the fender 
> washers, bolt, and drilled n cut down hand rail segments, making the new 
> old-school foot pegs. Naturally, the pegs were shellacked. I think that's 
> it. Thanks for all the inspiration, ideas, and parts swapping over the 
> years. 
>
> Best,
>
> Leif
>
> Chicago
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> 
>  
>
>
> 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] More, or less lights/reflectivity better?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/05/2016 02:43 PM, Curtis McKenzie wrote:

Plus one on the ankle reflector.  Riv is currently out of stock.


You should be able to find reflective ankle bands in any running store.


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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam rebuild for light-loaded road touring: your thoughts, experiences & assitance?

[Jeremy Till]

I think the stock BB was 113mm, but as Bill points out, proper chainline is 
entirely dependent on your particular crank.  

The stock drivetrain setup was 40/32 on the crank (40t and chainguard on 
the 110mm spider, and 32t on the 74mm spider), with just a 18t freewheel 
out back.  Finding a 32t 74mm chainring may prove difficult, it's not 
something I've seen after-market.   Many folks added a different size FW or 
even a fixed cog to the other side of the flip-flop hub.  

If you have a cup-and-cone track hub with a standard 10mm axle, it should 
be easy to swap in a QR axle.  Most track hubs above the bottom of the 
barrel these days are cartridge bearing, and feature axles specific to the 
particular hub and bearing spacing, so swapping axles isn't really 
possible.  Certain high-end hub manufacturers (Phil and Paul, namely) offer 
QR axles/end caps that you can retrofit to their hubs.  

The most QB-friendly hub currently on the market is the 120mm spaced Surly 
Ultra New Track hub, which features a female axle that can accept either M6 
axle bolts or a QR skewer without any modification.  This is what I use on 
my own 64cm QB, which I built up from a frame in 2012.  

However, the hardest part in any of this is finding an appropriate QR 
skewer to fit the 120mm spacing of the QB and hold the wheel securely. 
 Pretty much all currently available skewers are built for modern road 
(130mm) or mtb (135mm) spacing, and don't have enough threads to clamp 
120mm dropouts.  You may have luck searching for skewers out of a vintage 
hub or replacement wheel, but it might be hard to find something in good 
enough shape to work reliably.  You want something steel and enclosed cam, 
like current Shimano QR's.  I finally found that Merry Sales (distributor 
for Soma, Nitto, etc.) had a few 120mm skewers, good quality with enclosed 
cams and steel clamping faces.  However, they were buried deep on their B2B 
website and being sold at close-out, last-of-the-bunch prices, so I don't 
know if they are still available or not.   

I use the QR on my Surly hub to swap gears on a Surly 17/19t dingle (fixed) 
cog, with a 42t chainring up front.  42x17 with 28mm tires is good for the 
open road, 19t is good for town riding at a slightly slower speed with lots 
of stop and go.   

On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 9:51:55 AM UTC-7, ant ritchey wrote:
>
> Hey folks-
>
> Trying to restore my QB back to a semi-stock state.  Bought mine with a 
> track crank & sturmey 5 spd set up.  Got rid of both.  I've got a nice 
> suntour triple and flip flop wheel waiting patiently to be rebuilt into my 
> beautiful orange 64cm machine.  Here's where your thoughts and experiences 
> come in-
>
> Bottom bracket length- the track crank had affixed itself to a stubby 
> little number, doubt it's gonna work with a double.  Anyone know the stock 
> spindle length off the top of their heads?
> Chain ring sizes- came with a 40/32, correct?
> Flip flop gearing- stock were 16 & 18t freewheels?
> Quick release rear wheel, yes?  Would bolt-on be too much of a pain in the 
> behind?  (I'm guessing I'm going to swap out the axle hardware for a QR set 
> up...)
> Racks/luggage- most likely going to use m32 & r14.  Anyone have a 
> bulletproof SS touring rack and or bag combo they'd recommend? 
> Stock gearing & touring/climbing- I know there are a buncha folks out 
> there who've ridden the QB quite a ways.  How did the 40/32 & 16/18 set up 
> pan out?
> Bar/stem- Noodles & Tech Dlx stock?  I'll probably stick to this set up.  
> Although I'm curious if a mustache bar would give me greater hand-grip 
> power on the out-of-saddle climbing stretches...
>
> As the post says- I'd like to initially set up for light/moderate loads 
> (basket & saddlebag) for touring >75% paved roads, coast range road riding 
> & climbing.  The QB is one of the most comfortable rides I've ever owned 
> and due to its simple nature, ends up being my city ride more often than 
> not.  Therefore shying away from setting it up for gravel, dirt & other 
> surfaces I tend to tour on.
>
> That's all I can think of for now.  Thanks in advance to all who share 
> their advice.
>
> Best,
> Ant / PDX
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv-ish minivan hack for the dad- and mom-jeans set

[Deacon Patrick]

Well done! May you have many wondrous adventures! With lots of breaks to 
explore and get the energy out, so they aren't so wiggly on the bike! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 1:47:00 PM UTC-6, Leif Eckstrom wrote:
>
> Hello listers,
>
>
> I wanted to share this kid-hauling project that was inspired by ideas and 
> goods presented on this list, the blug, and such. I'm really happy with how 
> it turned out. It's very comfortable, surprisingly steady, and heartily 
> kid-approved. I think this set-up would only be improved on a bike with 
> actual riv-designed features: Looong top tube and longer wheelbase, for 
> starters. My seat is set low to compensate for small amount of clearance 
> behind the kid in front. Not really much of an imposition though; this is 
> easily my best minivan yet. Nevertheless, the stretched Clems and 
> Appaloosas would be even better, I imagine. 
>
>
> Anyway, if you're interested in what's what:
>
> Front carrier: iBert, also recommend the Tot toter, if just carrying one.
>
> Rear: steel tandem stoker stem bought from list-member Sean (thanks 
> again!); old riser bars cut down for aero tucks; Newbaums in kid A's 
> favorite color (eggplant); (bar-ends have been appropriately corked by the 
> by; twine to be applied soon); swim noodle and zip ties--totally stolen 
> from Grant P or whoever thought of those ideas in the bar wrap vid--but in 
> celeste, the fastest color; older Portland Design Works Payload rack with 
> steel tubes and a nicely oversize, half-circle of extra tubing near the 
> bottom--designed for bungee or pannier attachment but here holds the fender 
> washers, bolt, and drilled n cut down hand rail segments, making the new 
> old-school foot pegs. Naturally, the pegs were shellacked. I think that's 
> it. Thanks for all the inspiration, ideas, and parts swapping over the 
> years. 
>
> Best,
>
> Leif
>
> Chicago
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> 
>  
>
>
> 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] More, or less lights/reflectivity better?

[Toshi Takeuchi]

In my experience, ankle bands and vest are the key things that identify an
object as a cyclist and should be used if at all possible.  No batteries
required too!  Triangle sounds good too, but have not seen so many as a
driver to comment.

Toshi


On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> +1 on ankle reflectors, or functionally similar reflectors.
>
> *Visibility* is the first goal ("I'm right here"), but *identification*
> is important as well ("I'm a person on a bicycle").
>
> I believe that the *very unique movement signatures* of pedal or leg
> reflectors, and of wheel/spoke reflectors is the most effective way of
> saying "I am a person on a bicycle and I'm right here".
> When you see either of those reflector signatures (churning pair of
> yellows, or spiraling pair of whites) you can't believe that it's anything
> but a bicycle.
> Whereas, a solid red tail light (alone) can be mistaken for a motorbike or
> a car with one tail light out (so the driver underestimates the speed
> differential), and a blinky red light (alone) can be disorienting (so the
> driver can't perceive the depth/distance between you and him/herself).
>
> I add pedal reflectors to any pedal I buy that doesn't have them.  You can
> get simple screw-on reflectors
> 
> for cage-type pedals (quill style, or the Shimano PD-M324 for example).
> You can add reflective tape to most other pedals (yellow or orange is
> best).  Or, ankle reflectors are a good substitute.
>
> Similarly, I add the cheapo plastic CPSC spoke reflectors to my bike
> wheels, or these reflective straws
> 
>  (they're
> very effective; I use 8-9 per wheel so the box of 72 covers 4 bikes.)
>
> I also add patches of reflective tape in other places (crank arms, seat
> stays, seat tube, seatpost, rack, fender, rim, etc.)
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> In my opinion, the smartest set up is two of these ankle reflectors, one
>> on each ankle:  http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/re1.htm
>> Plus this small triangle hanging from your seat rails:
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/re6.htm
>> Add to that your favorite red solid taillight so you don't get in trouble
>> with Johnny-Law.
>>
>> Just my opinion on the matter
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Riv-ish minivan hack for the dad- and mom-jeans set

[Bill Lindsay]

That's the highlight of my day so-far.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 12:47:00 PM UTC-7, Leif Eckstrom wrote:
>
> Hello listers,
>
>
> I wanted to share this kid-hauling project that was inspired by ideas and 
> goods presented on this list, the blug, and such. I'm really happy with how 
> it turned out. It's very comfortable, surprisingly steady, and heartily 
> kid-approved. I think this set-up would only be improved on a bike with 
> actual riv-designed features: Looong top tube and longer wheelbase, for 
> starters. My seat is set low to compensate for small amount of clearance 
> behind the kid in front. Not really much of an imposition though; this is 
> easily my best minivan yet. Nevertheless, the stretched Clems and 
> Appaloosas would be even better, I imagine. 
>
>
> Anyway, if you're interested in what's what:
>
> Front carrier: iBert, also recommend the Tot toter, if just carrying one.
>
> Rear: steel tandem stoker stem bought from list-member Sean (thanks 
> again!); old riser bars cut down for aero tucks; Newbaums in kid A's 
> favorite color (eggplant); (bar-ends have been appropriately corked by the 
> by; twine to be applied soon); swim noodle and zip ties--totally stolen 
> from Grant P or whoever thought of those ideas in the bar wrap vid--but in 
> celeste, the fastest color; older Portland Design Works Payload rack with 
> steel tubes and a nicely oversize, half-circle of extra tubing near the 
> bottom--designed for bungee or pannier attachment but here holds the fender 
> washers, bolt, and drilled n cut down hand rail segments, making the new 
> old-school foot pegs. Naturally, the pegs were shellacked. I think that's 
> it. Thanks for all the inspiration, ideas, and parts swapping over the 
> years. 
>
> Best,
>
> Leif
>
> Chicago
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> 
>  
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Riv-ish minivan hack for the dad- and mom-jeans set

[Leif Eckstrom]

Hello listers,


I wanted to share this kid-hauling project that was inspired by ideas and 
goods presented on this list, the blug, and such. I'm really happy with how 
it turned out. It's very comfortable, surprisingly steady, and heartily 
kid-approved. I think this set-up would only be improved on a bike with 
actual riv-designed features: Looong top tube and longer wheelbase, for 
starters. My seat is set low to compensate for small amount of clearance 
behind the kid in front. Not really much of an imposition though; this is 
easily my best minivan yet. Nevertheless, the stretched Clems and 
Appaloosas would be even better, I imagine. 


Anyway, if you're interested in what's what:

Front carrier: iBert, also recommend the Tot toter, if just carrying one.

Rear: steel tandem stoker stem bought from list-member Sean (thanks 
again!); old riser bars cut down for aero tucks; Newbaums in kid A's 
favorite color (eggplant); (bar-ends have been appropriately corked by the 
by; twine to be applied soon); swim noodle and zip ties--totally stolen 
from Grant P or whoever thought of those ideas in the bar wrap vid--but in 
celeste, the fastest color; older Portland Design Works Payload rack with 
steel tubes and a nicely oversize, half-circle of extra tubing near the 
bottom--designed for bungee or pannier attachment but here holds the fender 
washers, bolt, and drilled n cut down hand rail segments, making the new 
old-school foot pegs. Naturally, the pegs were shellacked. I think that's 
it. Thanks for all the inspiration, ideas, and parts swapping over the 
years. 

Best,

Leif

Chicago









 



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Re: [RBW] More, or less lights/reflectivity better?

[Tim Gavin]

+1 on ankle reflectors, or functionally similar reflectors.

*Visibility* is the first goal ("I'm right here"), but *identification* is
important as well ("I'm a person on a bicycle").

I believe that the *very unique movement signatures* of pedal or leg
reflectors, and of wheel/spoke reflectors is the most effective way of
saying "I am a person on a bicycle and I'm right here".
When you see either of those reflector signatures (churning pair of
yellows, or spiraling pair of whites) you can't believe that it's anything
but a bicycle.
Whereas, a solid red tail light (alone) can be mistaken for a motorbike or
a car with one tail light out (so the driver underestimates the speed
differential), and a blinky red light (alone) can be disorienting (so the
driver can't perceive the depth/distance between you and him/herself).

I add pedal reflectors to any pedal I buy that doesn't have them.  You can
get simple screw-on reflectors

for cage-type pedals (quill style, or the Shimano PD-M324 for example).
You can add reflective tape to most other pedals (yellow or orange is
best).  Or, ankle reflectors are a good substitute.

Similarly, I add the cheapo plastic CPSC spoke reflectors to my bike
wheels, or these reflective straws

(they're
very effective; I use 8-9 per wheel so the box of 72 covers 4 bikes.)

I also add patches of reflective tape in other places (crank arms, seat
stays, seat tube, seatpost, rack, fender, rim, etc.)

Cheers,
Tim

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

>
>
> In my opinion, the smartest set up is two of these ankle reflectors, one
> on each ankle:  http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/re1.htm
> Plus this small triangle hanging from your seat rails:
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/re6.htm
> Add to that your favorite red solid taillight so you don't get in trouble
> with Johnny-Law.
>
> Just my opinion on the matter
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
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[RBW] Long/scenic day rides to do from the New York City area

[Bob B]

I wanted to share a handful of the day rides I've done or am hoping to do 
in the New York area, and perhaps get area-RBWOBers to share their routes 
as well.

These are destination rides that go along to scenic trails or bridges. The 
goal is long stretches of scenic riding, as much as possible not in the 
shoulder of a 45mph road. These are also relatively easy-going rides.

Here's what I've come up with:


*Battery Park (or wherever you live) to Brewster, NY *

*Google Map Link:* *Click Here 
*
  

*Length:* 64.2 miles

*Route Info:* West Side Greenway > Van Cortlandt Park, Old Putnam Trail > S 
County Trailway > N County Trailway all the way to Brewster, NY. Stop for 
dinner and take the Metro North train from Brewster back to the city

*Surface:* Mostly paved, a little dirt 

*Camping Variant:* Possible to turn west from N. County Trailway towards 
*Nimham 
State Forest Multiple Use Area 
*, which has MTB 
trails and allows camping

 

 
*Van Cortlandt Park (or where you live) to Kitchawan, NY and back*

*Google Maps Link:* *Click Here 
*
  

*Length:* 59.6 miles

*Surface:* Paved and dirt/gravel

*Route Info:* More or less Based on a Bike Snob ride report: Van Cortlandt 
Park > Old Putnam Trail > S County Trailway > N County Trailway > At 
Kitchawan hop over westward to Old Croton Trailway State Park > return 
South along Old Croton Aqueduct Trail back to Van Cortlandt Park

 

*Trenton, NJ to New Brunswick*

*Google Maps Link:* *Click Here 
*
  

*Length:* 38.9 miles

*Surface:* Paved and dirt/gravel

*Route Info:* NJ Transit to Trenton > Raritan Canal State Park Trail all 
thew way to New Brunswick > NJ Transit from New Brunswick back to the city



*Poughkeepsie, NY over-the-Hudson-and-back to Beacon, NY*

*Google Maps Link:* *Click Here 
*
 

*Length:* 67.2 miles

*Surface:* Paved and dirt/gravel

*Route Info:* Metro North to Poughkeepsie > Walkway over the Hudson > Some 
back roads > Wallkill Valley Trail > Some back roads > Newburgh-Beacon 
Bridge to Beacon, NY. Stop for dinner and take Metro North train from 
Beacon back to the city




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Re: [RBW] More, or less lights/reflectivity better?

[Curtis McKenzie]

Plus one on the ankle reflector.  Riv is currently out of stock.

Curtis

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> In my opinion, I think Scott has gotten to the heart of the matter, even
> though I'm not sure he knows it.  Scott said:
>
> "Day / Night visibility is an issue for everyone, not just bicyclists.
> Its because every driver is different and will key in, fixate on and notice
> different things."
>
> and then he really cut to the chase with:
>
> "Sorry, but when drivers don't see other cars... we are all screwed."
>
> We all know and realize that "being seen" is a thing, and it's a smart
> thing to do.  If you are invisible, and somebody hits you, then it's your
> fault.  Most of us know that "target fixation" is also a thing.  Some
> people, like Jan, use 'target fixation' to support the hypothesis that it
> is possible to be 'too visible'.  Jan acknowledges his hypothesis is not
> proven one way or the other, but it is an informed hypothesis.
>
> The thing Scott gets to is that 'target fixation' is not purely a property
> of the target.  'Target fixation' is something an *impaired driver* might
> do.  It's always a drunk driver, a tired pilot, a distracted (texting)
> driver, or an old person, who target fixates and runs over a highly visible
> person.  When an impaired driver target fixates and kills a cyclist, we
> have no way of knowing whether that impaired driver would have not target
> fixated if the cyclist had been wearing less reflective gear.  I have never
> read a target fixation study that concludes reflective gear and lights
> CAUSE impairment in drivers.  I have only seen studies that conclude that
> impaired drivers tend to fixate on bright lights.  So, when it comes to
> impaired drivers, as Scott said "we're screwed".  We all know some impaired
> driver is going to run over some unlucky cyclist very soon, and there is
> probably nothing we can do to prevent that from happening.
>
> So, if we're at the mercy of fortune that an impaired driver doesn't run
> us over from behind, then that leaves us to focus on what we CAN control,
> and that's our visibility to drivers that are not impaired.  Again, I've
> never seen a study that suggests being more visible will make an alert,
> awake and focused driver run you over.  Conspicuity should send the simple
> message "I am a person on a bicycle and I'm right here".  An alert,
> non-impaired driver can deal with that message.  You send the message that
> you are a person on a bicycle with reflectors and/or lights on both feet.
> Nothing else on the road moves like your feet on a bicycle.  A red-light,
> required by law, might establish that you are a vehicle, and that's fine.
> A bright triangle says "caution" to every good driver out there.
>
> In my opinion, the smartest set up is two of these ankle reflectors, one
> on each ankle:  http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/re1.htm
> Plus this small triangle hanging from your seat rails:
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/re6.htm
> Add to that your favorite red solid taillight so you don't get in trouble
> with Johnny-Law.
>
> Just my opinion on the matter
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
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[RBW] Re: Seen on BART: Sackville

[Bill Lindsay]

Bob B,

That's a battery light of some kind.  His front hub is a White Industries. 
 On the other end of the spectrum, my Fat-Lantis currently has a dynamo 
front hub with no lamp attached!  :-)

Thanks Gabe for the kind words

Bill

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 11:01:00 AM UTC-7, oldmangabe wrote:
>
> Like how the Atlantis is set up!
>
> Gabe
>
>
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Re: [RBW] More, or less lights/reflectivity better?

[Bill Lindsay]

In my opinion, I think Scott has gotten to the heart of the matter, even 
though I'm not sure he knows it.  Scott said:

"Day / Night visibility is an issue for everyone, not just bicyclists.   
Its because every driver is different and will key in, fixate on and notice 
different things."

and then he really cut to the chase with:

"Sorry, but when drivers don't see other cars... we are all screwed."

We all know and realize that "being seen" is a thing, and it's a smart 
thing to do.  If you are invisible, and somebody hits you, then it's your 
fault.  Most of us know that "target fixation" is also a thing.  Some 
people, like Jan, use 'target fixation' to support the hypothesis that it 
is possible to be 'too visible'.  Jan acknowledges his hypothesis is not 
proven one way or the other, but it is an informed hypothesis. 

The thing Scott gets to is that 'target fixation' is not purely a property 
of the target.  'Target fixation' is something an *impaired driver* might 
do.  It's always a drunk driver, a tired pilot, a distracted (texting) 
driver, or an old person, who target fixates and runs over a highly visible 
person.  When an impaired driver target fixates and kills a cyclist, we 
have no way of knowing whether that impaired driver would have not target 
fixated if the cyclist had been wearing less reflective gear.  I have never 
read a target fixation study that concludes reflective gear and lights 
CAUSE impairment in drivers.  I have only seen studies that conclude that 
impaired drivers tend to fixate on bright lights.  So, when it comes to 
impaired drivers, as Scott said "we're screwed".  We all know some impaired 
driver is going to run over some unlucky cyclist very soon, and there is 
probably nothing we can do to prevent that from happening.  

So, if we're at the mercy of fortune that an impaired driver doesn't run us 
over from behind, then that leaves us to focus on what we CAN control, and 
that's our visibility to drivers that are not impaired.  Again, I've never 
seen a study that suggests being more visible will make an alert, awake and 
focused driver run you over.  Conspicuity should send the simple message "I 
am a person on a bicycle and I'm right here".  An alert, non-impaired 
driver can deal with that message.  You send the message that you are a 
person on a bicycle with reflectors and/or lights on both feet.  Nothing 
else on the road moves like your feet on a bicycle.  A red-light, required 
by law, might establish that you are a vehicle, and that's fine.  A bright 
triangle says "caution" to every good driver out there.  

In my opinion, the smartest set up is two of these ankle reflectors, one on 
each ankle:  http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/re1.htm
Plus this small triangle hanging from your seat rails:  
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/re6.htm
Add to that your favorite red solid taillight so you don't get in trouble 
with Johnny-Law.  

Just my opinion on the matter

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: More, or less lights/reflectivity better?

[EGNolan]

When not using a rear bag, I mount a light on my seatpost & position the 
triangle so the red, steady beam goes through the fabric portion of the 
triangle. Otherwise I have a red, steady light on my bag beside a triangle. 
When my son rides the stoker position of our tandem, he wears a reflective 
vest & when I'm pulling a trailer I have a large orange flag & large 
reflective triangle. I think reflectivity is the best, with lights really 
just helping to be seen from a further distance. I am no scientist.

Best,
Eric
Indpls

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[RBW] Re: Seen on BART: Sackville

[oldmangabe]

Like how the Atlantis is set up!

Gabe

On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 5:28:26 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> I was riding BART to the office from El Cerrito to Union City.  I had the 
> bike spot and a fellow leaned up his Rivved out Bob Jackson on my butch 
> Fatlantis.  His bike was decked out:  Albatross, Paul brakes, Brooks, 
> Sackville Saddlesack in back.  Slick.  We had matching Sackville Tunksack 
> Smalls on the fronts of our bikes.  Both of us had the old metal ID badge 
> riveted on.  
>
> Picture proves it happened:
>
>
> 
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>
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[RBW] Re: Riv-ish Ride Down the CA Coast

[oldmangabe]

Hugh et al.,

There isn't a dirt route per se. Instead there are a number of cutoffs or 
side routes that are dirt roads. They are usually bunched together for 
short sections. Pacifica through HMB, then a bit north of Santa Cruz. There 
is Old Coast Rd at Bixby Bridge that ends just north of Big Sur town. After 
that you can go up the superb Nacimento Fergussen (paved just after Kirk 
Creek campground) and head south on the coast ridge road to Burros Rd which 
drops you back to Hwy 1 around Gorda. Once you leave Big Sur proper there 
are some more dirt roads inland to SLO, and then more connectors to Santa 
Barbara. All good diversions, but they almost all require you to climb back 
up to the coast range ridge tops.  

Gabe

On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 11:34:52 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Eric,
>
> Outstanding! I hear there is a dirt route down the coast, which I'd love 
> to find and ride. I love the route you took some of the best of California. 
> Thanks for the post.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 8:21:48 AM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> I finally pulled the trigger this past weekend and took off on a solo, 
>> three-day ride down the California Coast, from Millbrae to Santa Barbara. 
>> I’ve done this ride several times, but always with a support vehicle to 
>> keep my bike light.
>>
>> This time, I rode a Soma Saga that I bought recently from a fellow 
>> lister, and carried everything with me. 
>>
>> The weather cooperated … mostly. Temperatures were great, there was 
>> hardly a cloud in the sky, but Day Two, the toughest portion of the ride 
>> (8,000 feet of climbing) was plagued by day-long headwinds.
>>
>> Photos prove it happened, and that the  conditions were excellent: 
>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/campyonlyguy/57ttiv 
>>
>> --Eric N
>> campyo...@me.com
>> www.CampyOnly.com 
>> Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>> @Campyonlyguy
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: More, or less lights/reflectivity better?

[Will]

My son, who has a night commute, is firmly bonded to the Riv reflective 
triangle. He tells me that cars give him at least an extra 2-3 feet of 
passing clearance. He will not ride nights without it. He has a Shimano 
dyno and B front/rear lights... but the triangle is what moves the cars. 
So... 

On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 12:21:52 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> I read a BQ article that discussed the uncertainty of using more or less 
> lighting and reflectivity while bike riding in order to be safer and more 
> easily seen on the road.
> At first thought, more would make sense being safer, but the article 
> talked about more, or the type of lighting/reflectivity contributing to 
> target fixation.
> Also mentioned "visual clutter", as well as daytime/nighttime playing a 
> role in what could be used for maximum visibility.
>
> Very interesting, but frustrating, as there is no exact evidence yet that 
> shows more or less or what type is better.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv-ish Ride Down the CA Coast

[Eric Norris]

Scott:

I’m blessed with an iron stomach, so I can eat pretty much whatever I want. I 
tend to go for calories that I can get down quickly and that come with some 
vitamins, minerals, and protein. For breakfast and at the end of the day, I go 
for more substantial fare.

--Eric N
campyonly...@me.com
www.CampyOnly.com
Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
@Campyonlyguy


> On May 5, 2016, at 10:20 AM, Scott McLain  wrote:
> 
> Super Jealous!  I really want to do that ride some day!  I would guess that 
> the traffic would be a little hair raising?
> 
> I just started the Eat Bacon Don't Jog diet last week (and feel great), so I 
> have to comment on your food pic and say that is not very Riv like...;-), not 
> very Grant like at least.
> 
> I am planning 300 mile tour in a few weeks and am a little nervous about what 
> I am going to eat for fuel.  I am guessing I will have to increase my Carb 
> intake to sustain 60+ mile days.  I am riding from Provo to St. George Utah.
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 9:21:48 AM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
> I finally pulled the trigger this past weekend and took off on a solo, 
> three-day ride down the California Coast, from Millbrae to Santa Barbara. 
> I’ve done this ride several times, but always with a support vehicle to keep 
> my bike light.
> 
> This time, I rode a Soma Saga that I bought recently from a fellow lister, 
> and carried everything with me. 
> 
> The weather cooperated … mostly. Temperatures were great, there was hardly a 
> cloud in the sky, but Day Two, the toughest portion of the ride (8,000 feet 
> of climbing) was plagued by day-long headwinds.
> 
> Photos prove it happened, and that the  conditions were excellent: 
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/campyonlyguy/57ttiv 
>  
> 
> --Eric N
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
> @Campyonlyguy
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: More, or less lights/reflectivity better?

[Gum N Nuts]

I'm fond of and have gotten good feedback about the rear triangle. I have 
both sizes that riv sells and tend to use the smaller one in the city and 
the larger one for more rural riding. It makes the bike really pop out when 
you're transitioning from sun to shadow and I feel like I get a wider 
passing distance with it as well. 

On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 10:21:52 AM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> I read a BQ article that discussed the uncertainty of using more or less 
> lighting and reflectivity while bike riding in order to be safer and more 
> easily seen on the road.
> At first thought, more would make sense being safer, but the article 
> talked about more, or the type of lighting/reflectivity contributing to 
> target fixation.
> Also mentioned "visual clutter", as well as daytime/nighttime playing a 
> role in what could be used for maximum visibility.
>
> Very interesting, but frustrating, as there is no exact evidence yet that 
> shows more or less or what type is better.
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Jumbo Grabby

[Adama]

Considering this piece for my every day carry, so I'm resurrecting this 
thread to solicit any more feedback from folks have after used the ole 
jumbo grabby.  Thanks for all the reporting thus far.  Seems like it's 
fairly split between works good enough for me to a slipping shoulder strap 
is a deal breaker.  Pics and poetic waxings of beausage welcome, as are 
screeds re: where it's missed the mark.

Best,
Adama

On Sunday, January 17, 2016 at 3:53:57 PM UTC-8, Dan A wrote:
>
> I am not as happy with the bag as you Liesl, it has one critical flaw -- 
> the shoulder straps slip a lot.  Any weight in the bag and they slip, I 
> have tried various threading and hacks and while some help they still slip. 
>  While the quality and size of the bag other than the straps is great, the 
> straps are a killer for me - they thread through plastic that just doesn't 
> grip -- metal would have been much nicer.
>
> Dan
>
> On Friday, January 1, 2016 at 10:03:15 PM UTC-6, Liesl wrote:
>>
>> Here's the update, Dan and friends!  It's a really nice bag.  Dimensions 
>> are 15" wide by a very flexible 12" tall with a depth of 4".  Inside sleeve 
>> running across the back is rust colored fabric so nice and visible; zipper 
>> on the outside envelope pocket is hearty.  Shoulder strap is the same 
>> material as the Shopsack handles but 1.5" wide.  The angled side wall up to 
>> the flap inspire far more closure-confidence than the original Grabsack.  
>> 13" MacBook Air fits like a charm in the inside packet but is about 2" 
>> taller than the sleeve.  A potential hack would be to put a center strap 
>> running from the top center of back to the top center of the sleeve to keep 
>> a computer from tipping forward—but not a big issue.  Lots of real estate 
>> for patches; the Rivelo patch will be smashing on it.  It hangs nicely on a 
>> person's body; well, at least my body at 5'2" and erin's body at 5'10".
>>
>> We've been busy putting up a yurt (!) in the back yard for a winter craft 
>> and camp-out spot, so haven't really used the bag out and about yet.
>>
>> I'll be interested in your report, Dan!
>>
>> yours,
>> Liesl
>>
>> On Thursday, December 31, 2015 at 11:37:05 PM UTC-6, Dan A wrote:
>>>
>>> Liesl, 
>>>
>>> Any more thoughts on the jumbo grabby? I have one on the way as well. 
>>>
>>> Dan Abelson 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv-ish Ride Down the CA Coast

[Scott McLain]

Super Jealous!  I really want to do that ride some day!  I would guess that 
the traffic would be a little hair raising?

I just started the Eat Bacon Don't Jog diet last week (and feel great), so 
I have to comment on your food pic and say that is not very Riv like...;-), 
not very Grant like at least.

I am planning 300 mile tour in a few weeks and am a little nervous about 
what I am going to eat for fuel.  I am guessing I will have to increase my 
Carb intake to sustain 60+ mile days.  I am riding from Provo to St. George 
Utah.

Scott


On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 9:21:48 AM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> I finally pulled the trigger this past weekend and took off on a solo, 
> three-day ride down the California Coast, from Millbrae to Santa Barbara. 
> I’ve done this ride several times, but always with a support vehicle to 
> keep my bike light.
>
> This time, I rode a Soma Saga that I bought recently from a fellow lister, 
> and carried everything with me. 
>
> The weather cooperated … mostly. Temperatures were great, there was hardly 
> a cloud in the sky, but Day Two, the toughest portion of the ride (8,000 
> feet of climbing) was plagued by day-long headwinds.
>
> Photos prove it happened, and that the  conditions were excellent: 
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/campyonlyguy/57ttiv 
>
> --Eric N
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
> @Campyonlyguy
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Seen on BART: Sackville

[Bob B]

How was he powering that light? FHub looks small, not like a dyno (though I 
don't know much about dynos)


On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 11:54:27 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Small world, right Jeremy?  The guy was super nice.  We didn't have a long 
> conversation. He complimented my bike and seemed to know exactly what it 
> was. His bike was pretty dialed as well (although he did have a lot of seat 
> post showing 

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[RBW] Re: Seen on BART: Sackville

[Bill Lindsay]

Small world, right Jeremy?  The guy was super nice.  We didn't have a long 
conversation. He complimented my bike and seemed to know exactly what it was. 
His bike was pretty dialed as well (although he did have a lot of seat post 
showing 

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

[ian m]

I used the White Ind Eno chainring on a 1x9 MTB setup (XTR rear der.) for a 
couple years and never dropped a chain

On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 9:42:14 PM UTC-4, Matt P. wrote:
>
> dstein:
> I will be curious to know whether you have any problems with dropping the 
> chain using that White Industries chainring in your 1x10 setup.  The 
> manufacturer says it's only for single speed gearing, not 1x, and those 
> teeth look awfully short compared to the teeth on something like a Wolf 
> Tooth chainring.
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[RBW] Re: Bullmoose on a Sam Hillborne

[Zach Duval]

To me, this sounds like a fantastic idea, and I'd like to give it a try 
myself. Position-wise, I think they'd be great for trails and rougher 
terrain; my reservation is more about whether they'd be overkill for the 
type of trails I'd take my Hillborne on ... not particularly aggressive, 
but definitely "stretching" the bike's abilities (being a lighter rider has 
its benefits for such purposes, of course).

For "fun and fitness on gravel and paved trails" or roads, you might just 
consider the Albatross, which should offer more hand-position variety, and 
a more relaxed position.

Good luck with your Sam! I got mine around the same time last year, and 
it's wonderful, a perfect all-purpose bike.

Zach
Kalispell, MT

On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 7:36:16 PM UTC-6, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:

> Hi all.  New(er) member but I have been a lurker for some time now.  The 
> title kind of says it all.  I have an orange SH on order - frame only - 
> that is coming in as we speak per the website.  I was thinking of putting a 
> bullmoose handlebar/stem combo on it.  I've googled for images of a Sam 
> with a bullmoose and have come up empty.  I have other bikes that have 
> similar shapes to the bar such as the Noah's Arc bar and a Seven custom (17 
> degrees) that I enjoy every much.  Has anyone run this combo or is there 
> some reason why I should not?  Your thoughts appreciated.  oh - my riding 
> is really for fun and fitness on gravel and paved trails and back paved 
> roads so nothing too wild.  thanks!
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[RBW] Re: Seen on BART: Sackville

[Jeremy Till]

I've met that guy, he came in to Blue Heron a few times when we were first 
open.  I think I helped him re-tap one of the rack eyelets on his fork. 
 IIRC, he worked at REI Berkeley at the time.   

On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 5:28:26 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> I was riding BART to the office from El Cerrito to Union City.  I had the 
> bike spot and a fellow leaned up his Rivved out Bob Jackson on my butch 
> Fatlantis.  His bike was decked out:  Albatross, Paul brakes, Brooks, 
> Sackville Saddlesack in back.  Slick.  We had matching Sackville Tunksack 
> Smalls on the fronts of our bikes.  Both of us had the old metal ID badge 
> riveted on.  
>
> Picture proves it happened:
>
>
> 
>
> Bill Lindsay
>
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam rebuild for light-loaded road touring: your thoughts, experiences & assitance?

[ant ritchey]

Thanks all!

Bill- totally right.  hobby wrenching for 20 years and i learn uber simple 
stuff every other day.

DP- city & country- def not mutually exclusive!  

Minh- i'm thinking 35mm; i've got the other rigs for 40, 50 and so on.

JohnS- thanks for the Phil rec.  definitely gonna use the wheel set I got, 
and there aint no Phil Wood in sight.

I raced bmx as a younger man and the thought of the WI duo freewheel seems 
unfathomable, yet- there it is.  I need to get my paws on one of these!  
Honestly though and not trying to start a thread about the holy holy thread 
derailleur- BUT i remained sketched about compass tires, supple tires, 
light tires, "event" tires, (kevlar-less tires?), what have you.  The 
reviews personal and otherwise reveal the undeniable great divide.  Bottom 
line being that Interstate Ave here in North Portland is littered, riddled 
& diddled with every bit of glass, rock, pock, frayed wire, catalog of 
industrial staple size imaginable.  Unfortunately(?) it is part of my daily 
riding; to, from, repeat.  Fortunately I'm a bit of brute and hardly notice 
the difference.  Ride feel, for me, is 75% dependent on how I feel before 
throwing a leg over the bike.  

But yeah- it's gonna be about riding trafficked shoulders and secondary 
highways 50% of the time kinda bike; no BQ-friendly shots anywhere.  Less 
concerned with tire stuff, and quite interested in touring, climbing, 
load-carrying-related input.  Asking about gearing cuz I usually ride 46/16 
city-wise, errand-wise, commute-wise.  Legitimately afraid of bouncing up 
and down all the way to the workplace, store, etc.  Between BMX and SS 
commuting all the years that I've done so- the QB is a slightly 
non-intuitive build for me; yet again- there it is.  The reminder of the 
Duo FW's existence is key.  THANK YOU.

On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 9:51:55 AM UTC-7, ant ritchey wrote:
>
> Hey folks-
>
> Trying to restore my QB back to a semi-stock state.  Bought mine with a 
> track crank & sturmey 5 spd set up.  Got rid of both.  I've got a nice 
> suntour triple and flip flop wheel waiting patiently to be rebuilt into my 
> beautiful orange 64cm machine.  Here's where your thoughts and experiences 
> come in-
>
> Bottom bracket length- the track crank had affixed itself to a stubby 
> little number, doubt it's gonna work with a double.  Anyone know the stock 
> spindle length off the top of their heads?
> Chain ring sizes- came with a 40/32, correct?
> Flip flop gearing- stock were 16 & 18t freewheels?
> Quick release rear wheel, yes?  Would bolt-on be too much of a pain in the 
> behind?  (I'm guessing I'm going to swap out the axle hardware for a QR set 
> up...)
> Racks/luggage- most likely going to use m32 & r14.  Anyone have a 
> bulletproof SS touring rack and or bag combo they'd recommend? 
> Stock gearing & touring/climbing- I know there are a buncha folks out 
> there who've ridden the QB quite a ways.  How did the 40/32 & 16/18 set up 
> pan out?
> Bar/stem- Noodles & Tech Dlx stock?  I'll probably stick to this set up.  
> Although I'm curious if a mustache bar would give me greater hand-grip 
> power on the out-of-saddle climbing stretches...
>
> As the post says- I'd like to initially set up for light/moderate loads 
> (basket & saddlebag) for touring >75% paved roads, coast range road riding 
> & climbing.  The QB is one of the most comfortable rides I've ever owned 
> and due to its simple nature, ends up being my city ride more often than 
> not.  Therefore shying away from setting it up for gravel, dirt & other 
> surfaces I tend to tour on.
>
> That's all I can think of for now.  Thanks in advance to all who share 
> their advice.
>
> Best,
> Ant / PDX
>

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Re: [RBW] More, or less lights/reflectivity better?

[Ron Mc]

Blinkies are for daytime distance alert to your presence, and not for 
greenway paths.  

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 7:56:05 AM UTC-5, Skenry wrote:
>
> Day / Night visibility is an issue for everyone, not just bicyclists.   
> Its because every driver is different and will key in, fixate on and notice 
> different things.  I end up using a single solid red taillight on my 
> bike.   
> ...
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Re: [RBW] More, or less lights/reflectivity better?

[Scott Henry]

Day / Night visibility is an issue for everyone, not just bicyclists.   Its
because every driver is different and will key in, fixate on and notice
different things.  I end up using a single solid red taillight on my
bike.

My motorcycle has a module in it that allows some pulsing of the
taillight.   The rear red light is steady on low all the time, when I push
the brake peg the light then gets bright and flashes fast for 2 seconds and
then stays steady bright.Not really possible for a bike, but it works
great on a motorcycle.   Haven't been hit yet: )   plus "loud pipes
save lives"

I'm a fireman for a long time now, and we have a huge issue nationally with
drivers fixating on our parked apparatus and plowing into the back of the
trucks.   My Department has had only two duty deaths in more than 70 years,
but one of them was a lady driving through and emergency scene with
probably 4 firetrucks and multiple police cars, all with lights flashing.
She drove over two firemen and one cop, killing the cop and one of the
firemen.I'd say there were (conservatively) 25 to 30 rear facing
strobes lights pointing back at her at the time, most likely way too many
and caused confusion/fixation.   Heck, police tactical flashlights have a
strobe feature to disorient assailants.

What we have found is that we still have LEDs and strobes all over the
trucks but the top left rear light is a steady amber light.   Like on a
city service truck.Its been found that amber has the best driver
recognition and connotation of caution to the public.

Sorry, but when drivers don't see other cars, don't notice motorcycles with
90-100dB exhausts and even hit 50', 25 ton firetrucks, we are all
screwed.   Ride defensively.  Hell, we've been setting records around here
so far this year in  drugged up people driving the wrong way on highways
and old drivers hitting BUILDINGS.

I think we've all been on those group rides either early morning or dusk
where we come upon a group of cyclists with their red blinkies all
flashing.   Its like an epileptic seizure waiting to happen.
If I could, I'd run an amber rear light with a slow pulsing dim to bright.
  Don't think anyone makes it yet though, someday.
Scott



On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> I read a BQ article that discussed the uncertainty of using more or less
> lighting and reflectivity while bike riding in order to be safer and more
> easily seen on the road.
> At first thought, more would make sense being safer, but the article
> talked about more, or the type of lighting/reflectivity contributing to
> target fixation.
> Also mentioned "visual clutter", as well as daytime/nighttime playing a
> role in what could be used for maximum visibility.
>
> Very interesting, but frustrating, as there is no exact evidence yet that
> shows more or less or what type is better.
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[RBW] FS: (3) Pairs of 650b tires and a 61cm Soma GR frame, fork and headset

[William R.]

Update: the Switchback Hills and Cazadero's are sold.

The pair of Big Bens (650b x 50) are still available.

The Soma Grand Randonneur (61cm) frame, fork and headset is still available.

-Bill

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Re: [RBW] Re: More, or less lights/reflectivity better?

[masmojo]

Posting wackiness aside, it is a subject I grapple with living in Texas, but I 
am sure it's not a problem thst is exclusively ours. I think it certainly helps 
to have mote cyclists on the road so it gets more ingrained in people's minds 
to be looking for us, but early in my cycling days I recognized that a small 
blinking light was like a drunk beacon & riding with one on the street on a 
Friday or Saturday night was like putting a giant target on your back! Newer 
blinking lights with multiple flashers, that flash in a pattern seem to work 
better. In those younger days I would frequently ride with no light in sort of 
a stealth mode, hitting the sidewalks a bikeways as much as possible and 
basically putting myself where I could see them, but they could not see me. 
Works in smaller urban areas with a good grid of streets,  but in a larger more 
densely populated areas on a roadish bike is too tedious & slows me down too 
much, I am rapidly moving towards dynamo driven bright lights,  I think the 
brighter the light the less likely someone would be drawn to it, more than 
likely they would be repelled by it. 
On a side note I noticed riding the bike paths with a light really freaks out 
the geese & swans in the local parks, conditioned as they certainly are to 
associate bright lights with cars.

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[RBW] Re: How to make donation to RBW

[Garth]

While I like the idea of forwarding goods , to me this only makes sense if say 
I as a possesor or say a crank wish to let pass it on to someone who could use 
it. Instead of asking for any payment, even for shipping I would send it at my 
expense.  The reciever do likewise when he opportunity arises but is in no way 
obligated to do anythjng.  No money need ever exchanged between people , only 
the sender and the shipping service. 

"Pay it forward"  implies obligation of some sort which is akin to giving to 
get, which is not he spirirt of giving at all.  Giving does not give to get 
because true giving is true because it gives,  without regard for reason as the 
supply of giving is Infinity. The spirit of receiving likewise is without 
regard to reason, it's receptivity is also Infinity. So in truth, the giving 
and receiving are one,  unity .   If all this seems just too good to be true,  
ask yourself  to who ?

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[RBW] Re: Riv-ish Ride Down the CA Coast

[Hugh Smitham]

Eric,

Outstanding! I hear there is a dirt route down the coast, which I'd love to 
find and ride. I love the route you took some of the best of California. 
Thanks for the post.

~Hugh

On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 8:21:48 AM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> I finally pulled the trigger this past weekend and took off on a solo, 
> three-day ride down the California Coast, from Millbrae to Santa Barbara. 
> I’ve done this ride several times, but always with a support vehicle to 
> keep my bike light.
>
> This time, I rode a Soma Saga that I bought recently from a fellow lister, 
> and carried everything with me. 
>
> The weather cooperated … mostly. Temperatures were great, there was hardly 
> a cloud in the sky, but Day Two, the toughest portion of the ride (8,000 
> feet of climbing) was plagued by day-long headwinds.
>
> Photos prove it happened, and that the  conditions were excellent: 
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/campyonlyguy/57ttiv 
>
> --Eric N
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> Campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
> @Campyonlyguy
>
>
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