[RBW] Re: Thoughts on Cambium?

[Manuel Acosta]

I bent mine already. 

https://flic.kr/p/H7ww3z


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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on Cambium?

[Lungimsam]

Im holding out for a sprung cambium

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Re: [RBW] Noodle bars: Any upsweep on the flats?

[Lungimsam]

You can angle your bars so the ramps are flat, then rotate your brake levers up 
the ramps to get them closer reach.

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[RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[Joe Bernard]

I agree with your impressions, Jeremy. I've owned any number of bikes with 
upright bars/talk stems, including several Rivs, and my CLEM is the first one 
to handle them (on pavement) with a "planted" feel to the front end. All the 
other ones were a bit recumbentish in that the rear always felt like it was dug 
in and pushing, while the front felt like it might wash out in a hard-charged 
corner. The CLEM is much more balanced for that riding position.  

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[RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[Jeremy Till]

Most of the thread has focused on the benefits/deteriments for off-roading, 
but I feel that the long chainstay thing has real benefits for 
road/pavement riding with upright bars.  I've done a fair bit of riding on 
bikes with "normal" chainstays (Quickbeam and LHT) and upright handlebars 
(Alba, Bosco, Avenir Circa) and when you really raise the bars for comfort, 
you noticeably reduce the weight on the front wheel, making the controls a 
bit more squirrely and making you less confident about cornering with real 
speed, lest the front wheel washes out on you.  The long chainstays 
redistribute the weight and help have more cornering confidence with an 
upright riding position.  Maybe not a big deal for some but maybe something 
you think about if, for instance, you ride your bike with upright bars up 
Mt. Diablo and then do the very curvy descent down.  

At least that's my understanding of the theory/impetus behind the long stay 
bikes, from talking to Keven and reading Grant's words, and my experience 
riding longtail cargo bikes.  I just built up my Clem and it definitely has 
a lot more front wheel authority than my LHT did with upright bars.  I 
haven't ridden it much but I'm looking forward to getting more miles on a 
Riv long chainstay design, both on road and off

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 3:12:12 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> More rivmodels headed that way.
>
> Cant think of any benefits other than stability, which rivs already have 
> plenty of, off top of my head.
> Was wondering what makes it worth the extra weight, 2 chains needed, and 
> less maneuverability due to longer bike length in garages, near bike racks, 
> BARTs, carrying through house, etc,
>

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Re: [RBW] Noodle bars: Any upsweep on the flats?

[Jack B]

Bummer. Well thanks for the info Keith.

I just now made an adjustment that might help: I tilted the Mark's bar up
so that the flats (behind the hoods) are a better resting spot. Rode around
the block and they feel good.

The ramps are steep now, maybe too steep, but I don't ride there much.
Kinda new to drop bars so still trying to get it dialed in.

On Monday, June 13, 2016, Keith Muller  wrote:

> Jack,
>
> Noodle are flat accross the top
>
> Keith
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[RBW] Noodle bars: Any upsweep on the flats?

[Keith Muller]

Jack,

Noodle are flat accross the top 

Keith

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[RBW] Noodle bars: Any upsweep on the flats?

[Jack Barnes]

I've been riding on VO's Rando 
 
bars, but have decided that they have too much forward reach. Switched over 
to a Mark's Bar that I have in the parts bin, and I'm finding that I like 
the reduced reach but miss the upswept flats. Would the Noodle give me some 
of this effect? Hard to tell from the pics. 

I don't need it to be as swoopy as the rando bars. Nitto's rando bar looks 
like a decent option, but too narrow — I'm looking for a 46 or 48cm width.

thanks,
Jack

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on Cambium?

[Joe Bernard]

Sure, Jeff, I'd love to try it. I'll put it on my Bobbin right away so I'm not 
waiting for the CLEM to get here to get some miles in. I really like this idea 
because I'm kinda terrible about new saddles..they almost never work for me. If 
I decide not to buy it, I'll happily ship it along. I'm on mobile right now so 
gimme a holler at joeremi62 at gmail dot com to work out payment and shipping. 
Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam / SimpleOne Sizing?

[Brad]

Where are you? You might be able to find a Quickbeam or SimpleOne owner who 
will let you take a test ride. If you're near NYC, you're welcome to try my 
62.
I'm around a 90pbh and my QB rides great...although it doesn't have much 
seatpost showing. I like the way frame on the large side ride. And I seem 
to have long arms/torso, so big frames keep me from having to use really 
long stems.

Brad P.
Queens

On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 10:01:33 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> I'm on the lookout for a used Quickbeam or SimpleOne to replace my old 
> Trek as a city commuter. But I have a question about sizing. My Roadeo has 
> a pretty similar bottom bracket height and the 61cm frame fits my 90pbh 
> really well. So the question is, do I go with a 60 or 62 'SimpleBeam?' 
>
> Any thoughts? What are current owners' experiences? Thanks!
>
> Eric
>

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[RBW] Re: Dialing in stem for rough stuff

[Deacon Patrick]

No.

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 6:33:53 PM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote:
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> Ever consider getting a fit?
>

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[RBW] Re: Dialing in stem for rough stuff

[Deacon Patrick]

Yeah, Bill, I wondered about that as I was posting this. Of course, as 
Richard points out in the long chain stay thread, they also mean you can't 
pop the front wheel over rocks and roots as easily, so there is a trade off.

I'm pondering eventually trying a 7cm stem and just always riding with the 
front TrunkSack with a standard load in it to counter balance.

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 5:38:19 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The Deacon teed it up with :
>
> "— Climbs: Current stem allows for enough weight on the front wheel that 
> steep single-track climbs without anything on the front rack (day rides) to 
> climb well. The shorter the stem, the harder it is to weight the front 
> wheel on climbs.
>
> Thoughts, ideas?"
>
> Those who find their front wheel pops up too easily on steep climbs 
> sometimes wish they had . wait for it . longer chainstays.  
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[Eric Karnes]

I assumed OP was referring to the move to suuuper long chain stays on bikes 
like the Appaloosa and Clem. 


I was wondering this myself. I actually really like it on frames like the 
Appaloosa. Reminds me of (an extended version of) the old steel Specialized 
Rockhopper I saved up for as a kid. That bike was really fun on trails. 
Super stable and felt like it could roll over anything (or so remembers my 
14-year-old self). 


That said, I hope they stick with some of the more standardized (for them) 
chain stays. As someone who lives in a small apartment and locks up bikes 
in the city, super long wheelbased bikes are a very big disadvantage. Even 
slightly longer chain stays make a noticeable difference when carrying a 
bike daily up and down three flights of stairs. Of course on most Rivs the 
ride makes this 100% worth it.


Eric

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 6:12:12 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> More rivmodels headed that way.
>
> Cant think of any benefits other than stability, which rivs already have 
> plenty of, off top of my head.
> Was wondering what makes it worth the extra weight, 2 chains needed, and 
> less maneuverability due to longer bike length in garages, near bike racks, 
> BARTs, carrying through house, etc,
>

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[RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[Deacon Patrick]

Fascinating, Richard. Thank you. The longer chain stay Hunqapillar is one 
of the things I've wondered about. That makes perfect sense, and matches 
what I've seen my lassies do when they ride through things on their 
Clementines. I couldn't tell how much was long chain stays and how much was 
they are still wee compared to the frame. Some of both I suspect. Not 
having the ability to pop the front wheel over rocks and roots with 
relative ease (even with a small front load) would drive me nuts 
(admittedly a trip I could crawl rather than drive. Sardonic grin.). 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 5:19:45 PM UTC-6, Richard Rios wrote:
>
> On road they are fine. Very laid back feeling, smooth and what others 
> mentioned. Off road I found I didn't like them so much especially if paired 
> with a long top tube and non swept back bars. My impression was it made it 
> to hard to get the front wheel up to go over obstacles so I ended up 
> plowing through stuff and it had the reverse effect of esentially making 
> the ride rougher...just my .02 impressions based off a long CS proto 
> hunqapillar.
>

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[RBW] Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[RJM]

Off road I feel they are a detriment especially when riding single track. 
Getting a manual or wheelie happening (a skill used to pop over logs, ext.) is 
not very easy with a long chain stay bike.

But extra cargo capacity and probably stability are pros, I suppose. They will 
probably help with a touring bike. 

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[RBW] Acorn and Treetop bags

[Steven Butcher]

In an attempt to release into the wild bags I'm not using, I'm offering for 
sale one Acorn Medium Saddlebag, one Treetop Mini Rando front bag, and two 
Acorn 10.25 inch lashing straps.  Both bags are Ranger Tan waxed canvas and 
are in Like New condition.  The leather on the bags does not match exactly 
but are close.  I'm asking $150.00 for the pair shipped CONUS with payment 
via Paypal family and friends.  Please PM me if you've any questions.  
Thanks for looking.  Steve

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[RBW] Re: Dialing in stem for rough stuff

[Belopsky]

Ever consider getting a fit?

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 7:26:30 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I thought my Hunqapillar stem (9cm Tallux) was pretty dialed in. However, 
> after riding my Quickbeam with a shorter stem and simultaneously moving my 
> seat back half the difference, pedaling feels more direct and powerful, 
> position more dialed in on the QB than before. Which has me wondering if I 
> went shorter with the Hunqapillar stem, would I prefer it? Possibly 
> shifting to a 7cm Tallux would do it. I don’t want to go too short because:
>
> — Climbs: Current stem allows for enough weight on the front wheel that 
> steep single-track climbs without anything on the front rack (day rides) to 
> climb well. The shorter the stem, the harder it is to weight the front 
> wheel on climbs.
>
> Thoughts, ideas?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
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Re: [RBW] Curious: Betty Foy vs. Cheviot

[LeahFoy]

Mark - I told my husband about the tandem, you know, to REALLY ride together on 
The Evening Constitutional. He retorted, "That's called a motorcycle."

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[RBW] Re: FS Nitto Big Rear Rack and Sugino XD2 Crankset

[Bill Lindsay]

Here is another update:  We reserved the right to get smarter, and we got 
smarter.  The previous claimer of my Big Rear Rack has decided it won't fit 
on his bike.  It is available again on the open market.  



On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 11:57:29 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Update.  The Nitto Big Rear rack is claimed and paid-for, pending a couple 
> measurements.  The 170mm Sugino XD2 crankset or crank arms are still 
> available.
>
> $105 shipped with 48/36/24 rings.  $70 shipped with no rings or chainring 
> bolts.  
>
> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 10:45:44 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Bump with an update. I've eyeballed a small project that could put the 
>> stock chainrings to use, so now I will also consider selling this set of 
>> Sugino XD2 170mm crank arms with no rings or bolts for $70 shipped. 
>>
>> Bill
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Dialing in stem for rough stuff

[Bill Lindsay]

The Deacon teed it up with :

"— Climbs: Current stem allows for enough weight on the front wheel that 
steep single-track climbs without anything on the front rack (day rides) to 
climb well. The shorter the stem, the harder it is to weight the front 
wheel on climbs.

Thoughts, ideas?"

Those who find their front wheel pops up too easily on steep climbs 
sometimes wish they had . wait for it . longer chainstays.  

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito, CA


>

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[RBW] Dialing in stem for rough stuff

[Deacon Patrick]

I thought my Hunqapillar stem (9cm Tallux) was pretty dialed in. However, after 
riding my Quickbeam with a shorter stem and simultaneously moving my seat back 
half the difference, pedaling feels more direct and powerful, position more 
dialed in on the QB than before. Which has me wondering if I went shorter with 
the Hunqapillar stem, would I prefer it? Possibly shifting to a 7cm Tallux 
would do it. I don’t want to go too short because:

— Climbs: Current stem allows for enough weight on the front wheel that steep 
single-track climbs without anything on the front rack (day rides) to climb 
well. The shorter the stem, the harder it is to weight the front wheel on 
climbs.

Thoughts, ideas?

With abandon,
Patrick

www.OurHolyConception.org
www.MindYourHeadCoop.org


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[RBW] Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[Richard Rios]

On road they are fine. Very laid back feeling, smooth and what others 
mentioned. Off road I found I didn't like them so much especially if paired 
with a long top tube and non swept back bars. My impression was it made it to 
hard to get the front wheel up to go over obstacles so I ended up plowing 
through stuff and it had the reverse effect of esentially making the ride 
rougher...just my .02 impressions based off a long CS proto hunqapillar.

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Re: [RBW] Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/13/2016 06:55 PM, masmojo wrote:

I agree, stays need to be made stronger as well,  which kind of flys in the 
face of arguments against disk brakes.


One of the arguments against disc brakes is that fork blades need to be 
made more rigid.  I've never seen anything like that mentioned with 
respect to chain stays.  Besides which, rigid chain stays (coupled with 
flexible top tubes and stiffer down tubes) are features associated with 
"planing."   None of that explains your comment about "flying in the 
face of arguments against disc brakes."  Could you be more specific, or 
elaborate on that statement?  I'm puzzled.




Makes frame more flexy.
Only two real advantages and they are minor,  first increased heal clearance 
for rear panniers/ cargo


I don't want to seem overly nit-picky, but that all-too-common 
mis-spelling grates on my nerves like fingernails on a blackboard. 
"Heels" are those things on the back of your feet that might contact a 
rear pannier and for which clearance is required.  "Healing" is 
recovering from an injury or ailment.  They may sound the same, but 
there's a huge difference.  How hard could it be to use the right word?



and a minor increase in stability.
That said there equally little benefit to making them super short,  which is 
popular in some circles.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on Cambium?

[masmojo]

I have the C17 carved on my Rawland and I have had no issues with it so far, I 
only have about 300 miles on it though.  But riding it is very much a non 
event, which for me is good. If I am just thinking about my ride and where I am 
going and not about my ass; that's sort of the test really. 
The shape is different than the B17, maybe it's a bit narrower, but I think the 
actual part you contact, the "contact patch" is about the same. 
I also have a C19, but I've only just gotten it and have not mounted it up on 
anything yet.
My only major concern going forward is how long they last, it's sort of an 
unknown value,but will ultimately determine if they are worthwhile or not.

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[RBW] Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[David Banzer]

*should read WITH clearance for rear panniers 

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[RBW] Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[David Banzer]

It's really comfy, noticeably so. 
Increased clearance for panniers. Not a minor detail at all - Clem is first 
bike I've been able to ride without clearance for rear panniers. 
Can fit big tires without crazy chainstay denting and curving. 
Playing on that, can fit regular road cranks with large tires - I'm running 
Dura Ace 7410 cranks with intended 103mm bb, single 42t ring in inner position. 

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[RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[Pondero]

Fantastic!...and congrats!  I like the concept and the looks of this 
frameset.  I can't wait for some of you owners to tell us how it performs 
in touring and camping applications.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on Cambium?

[Pondero]

As a long time B17 fan, I tried a C17 on a whim.  It is now my favorite 
saddle.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[masmojo]

I agree, stays need to be made stronger as well,  which kind of flys in the 
face of arguments against disk brakes. Makes frame more flexy.
Only two real advantages and they are minor,  first increased heal clearance 
for rear panniers/ cargo and a minor increase in stability. 
That said there equally little benefit to making them super short,  which is 
popular in some circles. 

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[RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

https://www.rivbike.com/kb_results.asp?ID=112


On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 6:12:12 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> More rivmodels headed that way.
>
> Cant think of any benefits other than stability, which rivs already have 
> plenty of, off top of my head.
> Was wondering what makes it worth the extra weight, 2 chains needed, and 
> less maneuverability due to longer bike length in garages, near bike racks, 
> BARTs, carrying through house, etc,
>

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Re: [RBW] RE: RE: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!! Proposed Ride.

[René Sterental]

Good! :-)

On Monday, June 13, 2016, Reed Kennedy  wrote:

> Thanks for working that out René! I'll be on giant but smooth tires myself
> (Schwalbe Big Ones) and may join you on the Pine Mountain bypass route.
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:00 PM, René Sterental  > wrote:
>
>> For those interested, I updated Hugh's ride with the shorter version
>> bypassing the PM segment. https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14396260
>>
>> Metrics:
>> 33.5 mi
>> Elevation: + 4507 / - 4524 ft
>> Max Grade
>> 26.2 %
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:57 PM, dougP > > wrote:
>>
>>> Do we have an ETA at the museum?
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 11:01:13 AM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:

 Okay. Then we'll stick to the 8am ride out. Maybe meet us at the
 Museum? Or maybe meet us at the Bon Tempe Dam Rd? Sean shoot me your cell
 phone # so we can coordinate the day of.

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipeedemusings.com/



 On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 10:43 AM, SSL  wrote:

> Rode up to West Point Inn from SF yesterday to see if I could make it
> in time on the 25th, and I don't think 8:30 would help too much. No 
> worries
> though!
>
> On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 10:59:27 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>> Would 8:30am help?
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 6:03 PM, SSL  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Hugh,
>>>
>>> No worries! 8am might be hard for me. I don't think Bart from
>>> Berkeley to SF starts running until around 6 on Saturdays. Might try
>>> anyways and see if I can catch up to y'all.
>>>
>>> -- Sean
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 11:21:34 AM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:

 Hi Sean,

 Sorry for the delay in responding.

 Since I haven't gotten really zip for feedback regarding my latest
 route update I'm going to presume that the route is a go. For those 
 that
 feel the full 43 miles would be too much I suggest taking San Geronimo
 Ridge just before mile marker 12 which will cut out the Pine Mountain 
 loop
 but will cut out 9 miles, you still get the Repack descent and we can 
 all
 meet up at the Museum. To take in account the time differential those 
 that
 head to Fairfax early can grab a bite to eat in town while the Pine
 Mountain crew eat out on the trail.

  In terms of time I think a 8am roll out would work. That gives us
 9 hours to ride visit the museum and get back to the Inn around 5pm.

 How's that sound (crickets) to ya' all.

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipeedemusings.com/



 On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Sean Lerner 
 wrote:

> When are y'all thinking the ride on Saturday will roll out. I'm
> hoping to ride up from SF in the morning.
>
> -- Sean
>
> On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 11:16:20 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>> Helps to have a link .
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must
>> keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 11:15 PM, Hugh Smitham > > wrote:
>>
>>> Okay how does this look? More Miles still steep but no 40%
>>> ascents. Real steep down hills off the peak and again down repack.
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must
>>> keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>>
>>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:37 PM, René Sterental <
>>> orth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 40% maximum grade? You've got to be kidding me!

 On Thursday, June 9, 2016, Hugh Smitham 
 wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I think my post to the original got buried.

[RBW] Re: Tallux Stem Measurements - 10cm? 11cm?

[Bill Lindsay]

Cecily

Email w...@rivbike.com  Or call and ask for Will.  He'll steer you right. 

Bill

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 3:16:28 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> I went looking on their site for the Betty Foy/Cheviot expert now that 
> Keven's gone, but couldn't find a name. 
>
> On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 8:02:45 AM UTC-7, John wrote:
>>
>> Hi Cecily,
>>
>> Have you spoken with Rivendell? If I were in your shoes, I would call 
>> them up and describe what you want to do. Will at Riv helped me pick the 
>> right Tallux stem extension when moving from albatross bars to drop bars. I 
>> think they have helped a lot of people with the same question.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 2:51:06 AM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm considering replacing the Soma Sutro quill stem on my Betty Foy with 
>>> a Nitto Tallux stem from Riv to raise my handlebars a bit. But I'm curious 
>>> about the different measurements for the Tallux stem. Riv sells the 10cm 
>>> stem in the Cheviot/Sam build kit, but I notice that 11, 12, and 13cm 
>>> models are available. What do these different measurements mean? 
>>>
>>> Thanks, folks.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Raw Cotton Handlebar Tape Experiment

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

In my case of course, I am not bar testing, just waiting for the rest of 
the tape to come off/disintegrate before spending all that time and money 
on redoing the bars...
In terms of slippery, for the shorter rides I generally do these days, no 
slippage at all. And they don't seem to get very dirty. It does leave your 
bars more vulnerable to scratches, I suppose.

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 10:58:52 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Ahhh! It could be a slippery (grimy) slope to raw AL! Like you, I've 
> ridden naked AL, when I was bar testing. I was surprised how well it works 
> and I have indeed toyed with it since.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 8:22:51 AM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>> Guys, fair warning: It's only small step from raw cotton to...raw 
>> ALU-minium. Feels pretty good (at least on non-schweaty rides) Note the 
>> vestigial brown raw cotton tape on right drop.
>> (Note green zip tie "tire saver" featured in another thread. And yes, I 
>> do sometimes kind of maintain most of my bicycles. This was/is...an 
>> experiment!)
>>
>> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 11:55:03 PM UTC-4, James Chang wrote:
>>>
>>> I was a cotton and shellac guy but have tried raw cotton this past year 
>>> and will probably never go back to shellac.  Raw cotton feels pretty good.
>>>
>>> James Chang
>>> Taipei, Taiwan
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Lungimsam  wrote:
>>>
 I was joking about the antler handlebar clamp size. ;)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Raw Cotton Handlebar Tape Experiment

[Lungimsam]

My wife wanted me to run my noodles without tape because they look so good. But 
i use greengrips cotton bartape with twine and heavy shellac.

At first i rode without but padding seems to make a big diff for me. Plus i 
like to color match to my frame.

Nitto bars are so pretty it makes you want to run them bare, though.

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[RBW] Re: Tallux Stem Measurements - 10cm? 11cm?

[Cecily Walker]

I went looking on their site for the Betty Foy/Cheviot expert now that 
Keven's gone, but couldn't find a name. 

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 8:02:45 AM UTC-7, John wrote:
>
> Hi Cecily,
>
> Have you spoken with Rivendell? If I were in your shoes, I would call 
> them up and describe what you want to do. Will at Riv helped me pick the 
> right Tallux stem extension when moving from albatross bars to drop bars. I 
> think they have helped a lot of people with the same question.
>
> John
>
> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 2:51:06 AM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> I'm considering replacing the Soma Sutro quill stem on my Betty Foy with 
>> a Nitto Tallux stem from Riv to raise my handlebars a bit. But I'm curious 
>> about the different measurements for the Tallux stem. Riv sells the 10cm 
>> stem in the Cheviot/Sam build kit, but I notice that 11, 12, and 13cm 
>> models are available. What do these different measurements mean? 
>>
>> Thanks, folks.
>>
>

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[RBW] Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[Lungimsam]

More rivmodels headed that way.

Cant think of any benefits other than stability, which rivs already have plenty 
of, off top of my head.
Was wondering what makes it worth the extra weight, 2 chains needed, and less 
maneuverability due to longer bike length in garages, near bike racks, BARTs, 
carrying through house, etc,

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Re: [RBW] RE: RE: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!! Proposed Ride.

[Reed Kennedy]

Thanks for working that out René! I'll be on giant but smooth tires myself
(Schwalbe Big Ones) and may join you on the Pine Mountain bypass route.


Best,
Reed

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:00 PM, René Sterental  wrote:

> For those interested, I updated Hugh's ride with the shorter version
> bypassing the PM segment. https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14396260
>
> Metrics:
> 33.5 mi
> Elevation: + 4507 / - 4524 ft
> Max Grade
> 26.2 %
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:57 PM, dougP  wrote:
>
>> Do we have an ETA at the museum?
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 11:01:13 AM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Okay. Then we'll stick to the 8am ride out. Maybe meet us at the Museum?
>>> Or maybe meet us at the Bon Tempe Dam Rd? Sean shoot me your cell phone #
>>> so we can coordinate the day of.
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>>
>>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 10:43 AM, SSL  wrote:
>>>
 Rode up to West Point Inn from SF yesterday to see if I could make it
 in time on the 25th, and I don't think 8:30 would help too much. No worries
 though!

 On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 10:59:27 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Would 8:30am help?
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 6:03 PM, SSL  wrote:
>
>> Hi Hugh,
>>
>> No worries! 8am might be hard for me. I don't think Bart from
>> Berkeley to SF starts running until around 6 on Saturdays. Might try
>> anyways and see if I can catch up to y'all.
>>
>> -- Sean
>>
>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 11:21:34 AM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Sean,
>>>
>>> Sorry for the delay in responding.
>>>
>>> Since I haven't gotten really zip for feedback regarding my latest
>>> route update I'm going to presume that the route is a go. For those that
>>> feel the full 43 miles would be too much I suggest taking San Geronimo
>>> Ridge just before mile marker 12 which will cut out the Pine Mountain 
>>> loop
>>> but will cut out 9 miles, you still get the Repack descent and we can 
>>> all
>>> meet up at the Museum. To take in account the time differential those 
>>> that
>>> head to Fairfax early can grab a bite to eat in town while the Pine
>>> Mountain crew eat out on the trail.
>>>
>>>  In terms of time I think a 8am roll out would work. That gives us 9
>>> hours to ride visit the museum and get back to the Inn around 5pm.
>>>
>>> How's that sound (crickets) to ya' all.
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>>
>>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Sean Lerner 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 When are y'all thinking the ride on Saturday will roll out. I'm
 hoping to ride up from SF in the morning.

 -- Sean

 On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 11:16:20 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Helps to have a link .
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must
> keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 11:15 PM, Hugh Smitham 
> wrote:
>
>> Okay how does this look? More Miles still steep but no 40%
>> ascents. Real steep down hills off the peak and again down repack.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must
>> keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:37 PM, René Sterental > > wrote:
>>
>>> 40% maximum grade? You've got to be kidding me!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 9, 2016, Hugh Smitham 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Folks,

 I think my post to the original got buried.

 I wanted to throw out this ride as a potential Saturday ride
 from the Inn and back with a stop at the Marin Museum of 
 Bicycling. At
 first glance it looks like a formidable ride 32 miles and 6200' 
 elevation
 but we have all day to do this ride. I purpose we bring a lunch 

Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on Cambium?

[Reed Kennedy]

What a generous offer Jeff!

I've been meaning to give one of those a try as well! I figure Joe should
get first dibs as the thread starter, but if he's not interested I'd be
happy to pay shipping in order to try the C17 and then pass it on after
I've made up my mind.


Best,
Reed

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Jeff Lesperance 
wrote:

> I've raved about the Cambium C17 and C17 carved a few times, I'm pretty
> sure on this list, though possibly on iBob, or both. Recap:
>
> * With my favorite handlebar and positioning (Noodle, approx. at saddle
> height), B17 saddles were always slightly too wide for me, I settled on
> B17n (narrow) saddles for years.
> * The C17 is great - being slightly narrower than the B17 makes it work on
> my noodle-equipped bikes, and also on my more upright bikes, though I can
> ride a B17 in a more upright position
> * The C17 carved is now my favorite saddle. So much so I used the cutout
> as a pattern to make an old B17n into a carved model. The shape, width and
> cutout really make this saddle disappear under me.
>
> I happen to have a surplus C17 natural at the moment. I'd be willing to
> put it out to the community for testing and passing around if you think you
> can make it work. I don't want to admin anything, but if there are a few of
> you all interested, I'd be happy to send it out to one of you first, and
> then you all have to agree to pass it on down the line. If one of you falls
> in love with it and wants to keep it, I'd be happy to make a favorable deal
> to make it yours. If it hits the end of the line at some point, I can work
> on getting it back. Let me know if any of you want to try a C17 for the
> cost of shipping.
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Jon in central Colorado <
> row.n.2nowh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for the post! I've been wondering about the Cambium saddles and
>> how well people like them.
>> I may have to pull the trigger on one my next build.I love my B-17.
>> Jon
>>
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[RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[Bill Lindsay]

New bike day is always a good day.  New bike day should be celebrated N+1 
times.  

APPROVE

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 1:37:04 PM UTC-7, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
> I finally got my Appaloosa together!  I'm really enjoying this bike!  The 
> main thing I love about it is the lower bottom bracket height.  It's so 
> stable and comfy.  I built it up with a mish-mash of parts: some new, some 
> from my cyclocross bike, some from the ebay, some from the shelves at the 
> LBS!  I'm running 35mm tires now because that's what I have, but I'm going 
> to go fatter soon!  After wanting a Rivendell for 10 years, I am thrilled 
> to have one!
>
> Parts list:
> Paul neo-retro brakes and paul levers
> Sugino x White Industries cranks
> VP Vice pedals
> Wolf Tooth 94bcd x 32 tooth narrow wide chainring (really low gearing!)
> Sunrace 9 speed thumbshifter
> Nitto dirt drop stem with albatross bars
>
> m
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[René Sterental]

Congrats!!!

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:10 PM, dougP  wrote:

> Congratulations on getting the bike together.  Look forward to many happy
> years with your Rivendell.
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 1:37:04 PM UTC-7, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> I finally got my Appaloosa together!  I'm really enjoying this bike!  The
>> main thing I love about it is the lower bottom bracket height.  It's so
>> stable and comfy.  I built it up with a mish-mash of parts: some new, some
>> from my cyclocross bike, some from the ebay, some from the shelves at the
>> LBS!  I'm running 35mm tires now because that's what I have, but I'm going
>> to go fatter soon!  After wanting a Rivendell for 10 years, I am thrilled
>> to have one!
>>
>> Parts list:
>> Paul neo-retro brakes and paul levers
>> Sugino x White Industries cranks
>> VP Vice pedals
>> Wolf Tooth 94bcd x 32 tooth narrow wide chainring (really low gearing!)
>> Sunrace 9 speed thumbshifter
>> Nitto dirt drop stem with albatross bars
>>
>> m
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thoughts on Cambium?

[Jeff Lesperance]

I've raved about the Cambium C17 and C17 carved a few times, I'm pretty
sure on this list, though possibly on iBob, or both. Recap:

* With my favorite handlebar and positioning (Noodle, approx. at saddle
height), B17 saddles were always slightly too wide for me, I settled on
B17n (narrow) saddles for years.
* The C17 is great - being slightly narrower than the B17 makes it work on
my noodle-equipped bikes, and also on my more upright bikes, though I can
ride a B17 in a more upright position
* The C17 carved is now my favorite saddle. So much so I used the cutout as
a pattern to make an old B17n into a carved model. The shape, width and
cutout really make this saddle disappear under me.

I happen to have a surplus C17 natural at the moment. I'd be willing to put
it out to the community for testing and passing around if you think you can
make it work. I don't want to admin anything, but if there are a few of you
all interested, I'd be happy to send it out to one of you first, and then
you all have to agree to pass it on down the line. If one of you falls in
love with it and wants to keep it, I'd be happy to make a favorable deal to
make it yours. If it hits the end of the line at some point, I can work on
getting it back. Let me know if any of you want to try a C17 for the cost
of shipping.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Jon in central Colorado <
row.n.2nowh...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Thanks for the post! I've been wondering about the Cambium saddles and how
> well people like them.
> I may have to pull the trigger on one my next build.I love my B-17.
> Jon
>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Wilbury Mixte

[Belopsky]

oh wow. pretty local. too much for me, beautiful bike however.

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 1:17:56 PM UTC-4, Scott White wrote:
>
> Hi Ryan,
>
> Thanks for the info. I live in Redford, Michigan. Measuring from the 
> center of the crank to the top of the seat tube is 22”. From the center 
> of the seat tube to the center of the head tube its about 21.5”. I’m 
> looking to get $2000 for it. It was my dad’s bike, barely ridden. It’s 
> basically new, see the pics. If you’re interested I would have you pay to 
> have it professionally packed and shipped to you from my local bike shop, 
> unless you want to drive out to Redford (just west of Detroit) to pick it 
> up. Let me know if you’re still interested.
>
> Thanks!
> Scott
>
> On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 10:39:17 PM UTC-4, Abcyclehank wrote:
>>
>> Personally Interested.  However site policy is generally to list things 
>> clearly For Sale with a specific price.  Don't fear offending anyone if you 
>> ask for too much $ you just hang on to your bike longer than intended.  Not 
>> really the place to put feelers out.  
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Ryan Hankinson
>> West Michigan
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Curious: Betty Foy vs. Cheviot

[Jon in central Colorado]

Ryan,
Thanks for your input .I understand why you feel about your Sam. I love my 
58cm Sam too.
I'm on the fence for a Cheviot. I'm sure with longer wheel base and chain 
stays the Cheviot is a bit more cushy and less responsive but very 
comfortable.
Would I be correct in saying orange is one of your favorite colors[image: 
]
Jon 



>
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[RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[dougP]

Congratulations on getting the bike together.  Look forward to many happy 
years with your Rivendell.  

dougP

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 1:37:04 PM UTC-7, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
> I finally got my Appaloosa together!  I'm really enjoying this bike!  The 
> main thing I love about it is the lower bottom bracket height.  It's so 
> stable and comfy.  I built it up with a mish-mash of parts: some new, some 
> from my cyclocross bike, some from the ebay, some from the shelves at the 
> LBS!  I'm running 35mm tires now because that's what I have, but I'm going 
> to go fatter soon!  After wanting a Rivendell for 10 years, I am thrilled 
> to have one!
>
> Parts list:
> Paul neo-retro brakes and paul levers
> Sugino x White Industries cranks
> VP Vice pedals
> Wolf Tooth 94bcd x 32 tooth narrow wide chainring (really low gearing!)
> Sunrace 9 speed thumbshifter
> Nitto dirt drop stem with albatross bars
>
> m
>
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[RBW] New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[Michael Morrissey]

I finally got my Appaloosa together!  I'm really enjoying this bike!  The 
main thing I love about it is the lower bottom bracket height.  It's so 
stable and comfy.  I built it up with a mish-mash of parts: some new, some 
from my cyclocross bike, some from the ebay, some from the shelves at the 
LBS!  I'm running 35mm tires now because that's what I have, but I'm going 
to go fatter soon!  After wanting a Rivendell for 10 years, I am thrilled 
to have one!

Parts list:
Paul neo-retro brakes and paul levers
Sugino x White Industries cranks
VP Vice pedals
Wolf Tooth 94bcd x 32 tooth narrow wide chainring (really low gearing!)
Sunrace 9 speed thumbshifter
Nitto dirt drop stem with albatross bars

m

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[RBW] Re: Curious: Betty Foy vs. Cheviot

[Ryan Thompson]

Jon,

My current Sam, 56cm, is set up with albastache bars and serves as my 
almost daily commuter so it's racked and is running the same drivetrain 
plus tires (soma c-lines) as the Chev.  By comparing my commute 
times (about 12 miles one-way) the Sam is consistently faster and feels 
more nimble.  The difference could be mostly attributed to the more 
aggressive position so it may not be the best side by side comparison.  It 
is my favorite ride of the three Rivs I own.  I'm hoping to acquire a 
Atlantis or Hunqapillar in the new future and I'm not sure about the longer 
chain stays of future models

https://www.flickr.com/photos/135783646@N08/24428833631 

Ryan
Arlington, VA   

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 2:17:53 PM UTC-4, Jon in central Colorado wrote:

> Ryan,
> How does the Cheviot compare to the Sam??
> Jon
>
> On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 9:13:20 AM UTC-6, Ryan Thompson wrote:
>
>> I own a 60cm Betty Foy and 60cm Cheviot and the biggest difference I note 
>>> is the Cheviot just feels like a bigger bike.  The chain stays are notable 
>>> longer and so is the head tube so it's easier to get the bars even higher 
>>> if need be.  I originally purchased the Cheviot for my wife and a 58cm Sam 
>>> Hillborne for myself, however I sold the Hillborne and purchased Miesha's 
>>> personal Betty when it came up for sale last year.  It's really hard 
>>> to tell if the Cheviot rides much different than the Betty but other people 
>>> who have visited and ridden both note the Betty feels a little lighter.  
>>>
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/CMttXk 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] RE: RE: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!! Proposed Ride.

[René Sterental]

For those interested, I updated Hugh's ride with the shorter version
bypassing the PM segment. https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14396260

Metrics:
33.5 mi
Elevation: + 4507 / - 4524 ft
Max Grade
26.2 %

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:57 PM, dougP  wrote:

> Do we have an ETA at the museum?
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 11:01:13 AM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>> Okay. Then we'll stick to the 8am ride out. Maybe meet us at the Museum?
>> Or maybe meet us at the Bon Tempe Dam Rd? Sean shoot me your cell phone #
>> so we can coordinate the day of.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 10:43 AM, SSL  wrote:
>>
>>> Rode up to West Point Inn from SF yesterday to see if I could make it in
>>> time on the 25th, and I don't think 8:30 would help too much. No worries
>>> though!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 10:59:27 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:

 Would 8:30am help?

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipeedemusings.com/



 On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 6:03 PM, SSL  wrote:

> Hi Hugh,
>
> No worries! 8am might be hard for me. I don't think Bart from Berkeley
> to SF starts running until around 6 on Saturdays. Might try anyways and 
> see
> if I can catch up to y'all.
>
> -- Sean
>
> On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 11:21:34 AM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sean,
>>
>> Sorry for the delay in responding.
>>
>> Since I haven't gotten really zip for feedback regarding my latest
>> route update I'm going to presume that the route is a go. For those that
>> feel the full 43 miles would be too much I suggest taking San Geronimo
>> Ridge just before mile marker 12 which will cut out the Pine Mountain 
>> loop
>> but will cut out 9 miles, you still get the Repack descent and we can all
>> meet up at the Museum. To take in account the time differential those 
>> that
>> head to Fairfax early can grab a bite to eat in town while the Pine
>> Mountain crew eat out on the trail.
>>
>>  In terms of time I think a 8am roll out would work. That gives us 9
>> hours to ride visit the museum and get back to the Inn around 5pm.
>>
>> How's that sound (crickets) to ya' all.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Sean Lerner 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> When are y'all thinking the ride on Saturday will roll out. I'm
>>> hoping to ride up from SF in the morning.
>>>
>>> -- Sean
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 11:16:20 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:

 Helps to have a link .

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipeedemusings.com/



 On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 11:15 PM, Hugh Smitham 
 wrote:

> Okay how does this look? More Miles still steep but no 40%
> ascents. Real steep down hills off the peak and again down repack.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must
> keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:37 PM, René Sterental 
> wrote:
>
>> 40% maximum grade? You've got to be kidding me!
>>
>> On Thursday, June 9, 2016, Hugh Smitham 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> I think my post to the original got buried.
>>>
>>> I wanted to throw out this ride as a potential Saturday ride
>>> from the Inn and back with a stop at the Marin Museum of Bicycling. 
>>> At
>>> first glance it looks like a formidable ride 32 miles and 6200' 
>>> elevation
>>> but we have all day to do this ride. I purpose we bring a lunch 
>>> with us and
>>> eat out on the trail. Of course not all are up for a ride like 
>>> this. I
>>> encourage folks to chime in with a plan "B" and "C" route(s) maybe 
>>> a bail
>>> out on my route where we all meet at a specific time at the museum 
>>> for a
>>> tour and a really mellow ride staying closer to the Inn.
>>>

[RBW] Re: FS: Cranks, Stem, Canti Brakes, 29" Tires, Dynamo Stuff.

[David Banzer]

Remaining items: 
Direct email is daban...@gmail.com

1. SP SV-8 Dynamo Hub - new, never laced, 36h - $110

2. Son Edelux I Dynamo Light - original upright version, polished silver, 
no fork mount, 54cm wire length, bare cable ends, I used it with Shimano/SP 
type connection - $80

4. Sugino Cranks - I believe these are Alpinas, 110 double (no inner 74bcd 
drillings), more traditional 5-bolt design, meaning no hidden 5th bolt, 
172.5mm, no chainings - though I can add Willow rings at a reasonable price 
($10 a chainring), crank is new - $70

5. Shimano Triple Cranks - Exage, FC-M520, silver-ish painted finish, I 
have a few of these, 110/74, 170mm or 175mm, black chainring bolts, no 
chainrings but I can include Willow rings at a reasonable price ($10 a 
chainring) - $25

6. Velo Orange Grand Cru Cantilever Brakes - MK2 version, MAFAC type 
design, includes straddle cables and generic silver hangers,  comes with 
new Koolstop Salmon pads, this is a whole bike's worth - $40

8. Nitto Technomic Deluxe Quill Stem - 190mm overall height version, Pearl 
quality, 12cm, 25.4mm clamp - $50

9. Velo Orange Threadless Stem - polished silver, 9cm, 26.0mm clamp, 
earlier octagonal version - $18

10. Nitto CT80 Chromoly Threadless Stem - for 1-1/8" steerers, 
fillet-brazed chromoly, and chrome finished, beautiful stem, 11cm, 25.4mm 
clamp - $70

11. Continental Speed King Tires - 29 x 2.2 - pair - lightly used, 
lightweight, smooth rolling tire, technically a mtb tire, but works great 
for pavement - $75

12. Vee Rubber V12 Tires - 29 x 1.95, lightly used, folding bead, about 
47mm wide on Dyads - $45

Also will have a single-speed/fixed-gear wheelset available soon. 700c, 
CR18 rims, Formula/IRO low flange rear hub (36h), Suntour XC front hub 
(32h). $100 plus shipping - I'm waiting on hubs to build up a new wheelset 
first though, so probably a couple weeks before I could ship them. Local 
pickup in Chicago highly encouraged on these.


On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 10:30:36 AM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Time to pay off the old credit card bill for a bunch of recent 
> bike-related purchases. 
> Prices include shipping unless noted.
> Paypal Personal payment on these items please.
> Local pickup in Chicago works, I'm across from Horner Park.
> Thanks,
> David
> Chicago
>
> 1. SP SV-8 Dynamo Hub - new, never laced, 36h - $110
>
> 2. Son Edelux I Dynamo Light - original upright version, polished silver, 
> no fork mount, 54cm wire length, bare cable ends, I used it with Shimano/SP 
> type connection - $80
>
> 3. B Cyo IQ Premium Dynamo Light - used, works great no issues, full 
> wire length - $80
>
> 4. Sugino Cranks - I believe these are Alpinas, 110 double (no inner 74bcd 
> drillings), more traditional 5-bolt design, meaning no hidden 5th bolt, 
> 172.5mm, no chainings - though I can add Willow rings at a reasonable price 
> ($10 a chainring), crank is new - $70
>
> 5. Shimano Triple Cranks - Exage, FC-M520, silver-ish painted finish, I 
> have a few of these, 110/74, 170mm or 175mm, black chainring bolts, no 
> chainrings but I can include Willow rings at a reasonable price ($10 a 
> chainring) - $25
>
> 6. Velo Orange Grand Cru Cantilever Brakes - MK2 version, MAFAC type 
> design, includes straddle cables and generic silver hangers,  comes with 
> new Koolstop Salmon pads, this is a whole bike's worth - $40
>
> 7. Tektro RBP 866 - new old stock, black (anodized I think), internal 
> spring design, like Paul brakes, this is a whole bike's worth - $25
>
> 8. Nitto Technomic Deluxe Quill Stem - 190mm overall height version, Pearl 
> quality, 12cm, 25.4mm clamp - $50
>
> 9. Velo Orange Threadless Stem - polished silver, 9cm, 26.0mm clamp, 
> earlier octagonal version - $18
>
> 10. Nitto CT80 Chromoly Threadless Stem - for 1-1/8" steerers, 
> fillet-brazed chromoly, and chrome finished, beautiful stem, 11cm, 25.4mm 
> clamp - $70
>
> 11. Continental Speed King Tires - 29 x 2.2 - pair - lightly used, 
> lightweight, smooth rolling tire, technically a mtb tire, but works great 
> for pavement - $75
>
> 12. Vee Rubber V12 Tires - 29 x 1.95, lightly used, folding bead, about 
> 47mm wide on Dyads - $45
>
> Also will have a single-speed/fixed-gear wheelset available soon. 700c, 
> CR18 rims, Formula/IRO low flange rear hub (36h), Suntour XC front hub 
> (32h). $100 plus shipping - I'm waiting on hubs to build up a new wheelset 
> first though, so probably a couple weeks before I could ship them. Local 
> pickup in Chicago highly encouraged on these.
>

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Re: [RBW] RE: RE: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!! Proposed Ride.

[dougP]

Do we have an ETA at the museum?  

dougP

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 11:01:13 AM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Okay. Then we'll stick to the 8am ride out. Maybe meet us at the Museum? 
> Or maybe meet us at the Bon Tempe Dam Rd? Sean shoot me your cell phone # 
> so we can coordinate the day of.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 10:43 AM, SSL  
> wrote:
>
>> Rode up to West Point Inn from SF yesterday to see if I could make it in 
>> time on the 25th, and I don't think 8:30 would help too much. No worries 
>> though! 
>>
>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 10:59:27 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Would 8:30am help?
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
>>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>>
>>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 6:03 PM, SSL  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Hugh,

 No worries! 8am might be hard for me. I don't think Bart from Berkeley 
 to SF starts running until around 6 on Saturdays. Might try anyways and 
 see 
 if I can catch up to y'all.

 -- Sean

 On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 11:21:34 AM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Hi Sean,
>
> Sorry for the delay in responding.
>
> Since I haven't gotten really zip for feedback regarding my latest 
> route update I'm going to presume that the route is a go. For those that 
> feel the full 43 miles would be too much I suggest taking San Geronimo 
> Ridge just before mile marker 12 which will cut out the Pine Mountain 
> loop 
> but will cut out 9 miles, you still get the Repack descent and we can all 
> meet up at the Museum. To take in account the time differential those 
> that 
> head to Fairfax early can grab a bite to eat in town while the Pine 
> Mountain crew eat out on the trail.
>
>  In terms of time I think a 8am roll out would work. That gives us 9 
> hours to ride visit the museum and get back to the Inn around 5pm.
>
> How's that sound (crickets) to ya' all. 
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Sean Lerner  
> wrote:
>
>> When are y'all thinking the ride on Saturday will roll out. I'm 
>> hoping to ride up from SF in the morning.
>>
>> -- Sean
>>
>> On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 11:16:20 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Helps to have a link .
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
>>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>>
>>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 11:15 PM, Hugh Smitham  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Okay how does this look? More Miles still steep but no 40% ascents. 
 Real steep down hills off the peak and again down repack. 

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipeedemusings.com/



 On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:37 PM, René Sterental  
 wrote:

> 40% maximum grade? You've got to be kidding me!
>
> On Thursday, June 9, 2016, Hugh Smitham  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I think my post to the original got buried. 
>>
>> I wanted to throw out this ride as a potential Saturday ride from 
>> the Inn and back with a stop at the Marin Museum of Bicycling. At 
>> first 
>> glance it looks like a formidable ride 32 miles and 6200' elevation 
>> but we 
>> have all day to do this ride. I purpose we bring a lunch with us and 
>> eat 
>> out on the trail. Of course not all are up for a ride like this. I 
>> encourage folks to chime in with a plan "B" and "C" route(s) maybe a 
>> bail 
>> out on my route where we all meet at a specific time at the museum 
>> for a 
>> tour and a really mellow ride staying closer to the Inn.
>>
>> Without further fanfare here's the route 
>> . 
>>
>> Your thoughts?
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>   Los Angeles, CA
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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on Cambium?

[Jon in central Colorado]

Thanks for the post! I've been wondering about the Cambium saddles and how 
well people like them.
I may have to pull the trigger on one my next build.I love my B-17.
Jon

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on Cambium?

[Michael Morrissey]

I have a C17 on my Appaloosa and it really does not agree with me.  I 
bought the Cambium because I thought it would be more durable in the snow 
and rain.  As it turns out, the cotton outer layer absorbs water, whereas 
with a leather saddle you can just wipe it off in one second (or keep it 
covered).  I have a vintage B67 that I brought back to life with proofide 
and a B17 select on other bikes.  The B17 select is the comfiest of the 
lot.  I'm going to buy another Brooks soon because I broke the nose of the 
B67 (after 5+ years of daily, very hard use and abuse), and I think I'm 
going to go with one with the springs.

I don't mean to trash the product, but I found almost nothing in common 
between the B17 and C17 other than the name brand.  




On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 11:45:35 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I know there was a flurry of reviews when these first hit the market, but 
> I'm curious how folks are getting along with them now that time/miles have 
> passed. The only saddle I can ride more than 15 miles is the Brooks B17, 
> and I'm thinking of trying the Cambium C17 when my mustard CLEM comes in. 
>
> Also, are the rails longer? The rails on my new-to-me ti B17 are longer 
> than the steel ones..I'm wondering of they made that change on the Cambiums.
>
> Thanks, 
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
>

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[RBW] Thoughts on Cambium?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I love the B17 and the Brooks Pro but the C17 was too rounded on the top back 
of the saddle to be comfortable for me.  I put it on a Surly Krampus but took 
it off and have it sitting unused.  I also,own a Berthound Mente in natural 
which I really like. The leather is nice and thick but the saddle has broken in 
nicely for me.  I own more Brooks saddles than I currently can use.  I bought a 
number of older B17s and Pros on eBay that were in excellent condition.  The 
leather on the older saddles tend to be thicker.  Should I purchase a new 
Brooks it would definitely be the B17 Select.

Not that I need it but the Rivet Imogene looks really appealing.  My only 
concern with that is that the back of the saddle seems to be rounded much like 
the Cambium

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[RBW] Re: FS Nitto Big Rear Rack and Sugino XD2 Crankset

[Bill Lindsay]

Update.  The Nitto Big Rear rack is claimed and paid-for, pending a couple 
measurements.  The 170mm Sugino XD2 crankset or crank arms are still 
available.

$105 shipped with 48/36/24 rings.  $70 shipped with no rings or chainring 
bolts.  

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 10:45:44 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Bump with an update. I've eyeballed a small project that could put the 
> stock chainrings to use, so now I will also consider selling this set of 
> Sugino XD2 170mm crank arms with no rings or bolts for $70 shipped. 
>
> Bill
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[RBW] Re: Curious: Betty Foy vs. Cheviot

[Jon in central Colorado]

Ryan,
How does the Cheviot compare to the Sam??
Jon

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 9:13:20 AM UTC-6, Ryan Thompson wrote:

> I own a 60cm Betty Foy and 60cm Cheviot and the biggest difference I note 
>> is the Cheviot just feels like a bigger bike.  The chain stays are notable 
>> longer and so is the head tube so it's easier to get the bars even higher 
>> if need be.  I originally purchased the Cheviot for my wife and a 58cm Sam 
>> Hillborne for myself, however I sold the Hillborne and purchased Miesha's 
>> personal Betty when it came up for sale last year.  It's really hard 
>> to tell if the Cheviot rides much different than the Betty but other people 
>> who have visited and ridden both note the Betty feels a little lighter.  
>>
>
> https://flic.kr/p/CMttXk 
>
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Re: [RBW] RE: RE: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!! Proposed Ride.

[Hugh Smitham]

Okay. Then we'll stick to the 8am ride out. Maybe meet us at the Museum? Or
maybe meet us at the Bon Tempe Dam Rd? Sean shoot me your cell phone # so
we can coordinate the day of.

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipeedemusings.com/



On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 10:43 AM, SSL  wrote:

> Rode up to West Point Inn from SF yesterday to see if I could make it in
> time on the 25th, and I don't think 8:30 would help too much. No worries
> though!
>
> On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 10:59:27 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>> Would 8:30am help?
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 6:03 PM, SSL  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Hugh,
>>>
>>> No worries! 8am might be hard for me. I don't think Bart from Berkeley
>>> to SF starts running until around 6 on Saturdays. Might try anyways and see
>>> if I can catch up to y'all.
>>>
>>> -- Sean
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 11:21:34 AM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:

 Hi Sean,

 Sorry for the delay in responding.

 Since I haven't gotten really zip for feedback regarding my latest
 route update I'm going to presume that the route is a go. For those that
 feel the full 43 miles would be too much I suggest taking San Geronimo
 Ridge just before mile marker 12 which will cut out the Pine Mountain loop
 but will cut out 9 miles, you still get the Repack descent and we can all
 meet up at the Museum. To take in account the time differential those that
 head to Fairfax early can grab a bite to eat in town while the Pine
 Mountain crew eat out on the trail.

  In terms of time I think a 8am roll out would work. That gives us 9
 hours to ride visit the museum and get back to the Inn around 5pm.

 How's that sound (crickets) to ya' all.

 ~Hugh

 “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
 moving.” ― Albert Einstein

 http://velocipeedemusings.com/



 On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Sean Lerner 
 wrote:

> When are y'all thinking the ride on Saturday will roll out. I'm hoping
> to ride up from SF in the morning.
>
> -- Sean
>
> On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 11:16:20 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>> Helps to have a link .
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 11:15 PM, Hugh Smitham 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay how does this look? More Miles still steep but no 40% ascents.
>>> Real steep down hills off the peak and again down repack.
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>>
>>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:37 PM, René Sterental 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 40% maximum grade? You've got to be kidding me!

 On Thursday, June 9, 2016, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I think my post to the original got buried.
>
> I wanted to throw out this ride as a potential Saturday ride from
> the Inn and back with a stop at the Marin Museum of Bicycling. At 
> first
> glance it looks like a formidable ride 32 miles and 6200' elevation 
> but we
> have all day to do this ride. I purpose we bring a lunch with us and 
> eat
> out on the trail. Of course not all are up for a ride like this. I
> encourage folks to chime in with a plan "B" and "C" route(s) maybe a 
> bail
> out on my route where we all meet at a specific time at the museum 
> for a
> tour and a really mellow ride staying closer to the Inn.
>
> Without further fanfare here's the route
> .
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> ~Hugh
>   Los Angeles, CA
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Re: [RBW] RE: RE: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!! Proposed Ride.

[SSL]

Rode up to West Point Inn from SF yesterday to see if I could make it in 
time on the 25th, and I don't think 8:30 would help too much. No worries 
though! 

On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 10:59:27 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Would 8:30am help?
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 6:03 PM, SSL  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Hugh,
>>
>> No worries! 8am might be hard for me. I don't think Bart from Berkeley to 
>> SF starts running until around 6 on Saturdays. Might try anyways and see if 
>> I can catch up to y'all.
>>
>> -- Sean
>>
>> On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 11:21:34 AM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Sean,
>>>
>>> Sorry for the delay in responding.
>>>
>>> Since I haven't gotten really zip for feedback regarding my latest route 
>>> update I'm going to presume that the route is a go. For those that feel the 
>>> full 43 miles would be too much I suggest taking San Geronimo Ridge just 
>>> before mile marker 12 which will cut out the Pine Mountain loop but will 
>>> cut out 9 miles, you still get the Repack descent and we can all meet up at 
>>> the Museum. To take in account the time differential those that head to 
>>> Fairfax early can grab a bite to eat in town while the Pine Mountain crew 
>>> eat out on the trail.
>>>
>>>  In terms of time I think a 8am roll out would work. That gives us 9 
>>> hours to ride visit the museum and get back to the Inn around 5pm.
>>>
>>> How's that sound (crickets) to ya' all. 
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
>>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>>
>>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Sean Lerner  wrote:
>>>
 When are y'all thinking the ride on Saturday will roll out. I'm hoping 
 to ride up from SF in the morning.

 -- Sean

 On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 11:16:20 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Helps to have a link .
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 11:15 PM, Hugh Smitham  
> wrote:
>
>> Okay how does this look? More Miles still steep but no 40% ascents. 
>> Real steep down hills off the peak and again down repack. 
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:37 PM, René Sterental  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 40% maximum grade? You've got to be kidding me!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 9, 2016, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Folks,

 I think my post to the original got buried. 

 I wanted to throw out this ride as a potential Saturday ride from 
 the Inn and back with a stop at the Marin Museum of Bicycling. At 
 first 
 glance it looks like a formidable ride 32 miles and 6200' elevation 
 but we 
 have all day to do this ride. I purpose we bring a lunch with us and 
 eat 
 out on the trail. Of course not all are up for a ride like this. I 
 encourage folks to chime in with a plan "B" and "C" route(s) maybe a 
 bail 
 out on my route where we all meet at a specific time at the museum for 
 a 
 tour and a really mellow ride staying closer to the Inn.

 Without further fanfare here's the route 
 . 

 Your thoughts?

 ~Hugh
   Los Angeles, CA

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam / SimpleOne Sizing?

[Eric Karnes]

thanks for the great responses as always. i saw that simpleone on eBay a 
week ago...it looks from the photos like it may in fact be a 62, but i may 
be mistaken. now i just have to figure out if i want to rent a car and go 
down to pick it up!

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 7:31:06 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/quickbeam_geometry.pdf
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on Cambium?

[Wayne]

I'm generally happy with mine.  I find it almost as comfortable as my B17 
on pavement and more comfortable on gravel.  I love that the rails are 
longer, allowing me to slide it back further.

Wayne

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 8:45:35 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I know there was a flurry of reviews when these first hit the market, but 
> I'm curious how folks are getting along with them now that time/miles have 
> passed. The only saddle I can ride more than 15 miles is the Brooks B17, 
> and I'm thinking of trying the Cambium C17 when my mustard CLEM comes in. 
>
> Also, are the rails longer? The rails on my new-to-me ti B17 are longer 
> than the steel ones..I'm wondering of they made that change on the Cambiums.
>
> Thanks, 
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
>

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[RBW] Thoughts on Cambium?

[Kainalu]

The width of a C17 is 162mm, a B17 is 170mm.
I can't ride anything narrower than a B17, so if it were for me, I'd step up to 
the C19, having a width of 184mm. 
-Kai 
Brooklyn NY 

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[RBW] Re: FOR SALE: VP Pedals

[RDS]

pedals sold.  thanks

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 8:22:21 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>
> VP pedals for sale.  In really good condition.  I am not sure which model 
> they are as I cannot seem to find any documentation where I purchased them. 
>  I would guess that I purchased them in early 2015.  All riding was done on 
> pavement.  I would say that they have less than 200 miles of riding on 
> them.  They are on the thinner side.  Is there anywhere on the pedal that 
> would tell the model?  Make offer.  Ship from Georgia using USPS unless 
> otherwise requested.
>
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[RBW] Re: FS - Tan Nigel Smith Loafers

[Glen]

Both bags have found new homes.
>
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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on Cambium?

[Philip Kim]

Yep the rails are longer. I liked the C17 saddle - I think it is good for 
general riding/commuting. The furthest I've ridden was 40 miles with it. 
Still pretty comfortable. Also nice not having to worry about riding in the 
rain. I went back to my all time favorite Brooks Swift though.

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 11:45:35 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I know there was a flurry of reviews when these first hit the market, but 
> I'm curious how folks are getting along with them now that time/miles have 
> passed. The only saddle I can ride more than 15 miles is the Brooks B17, 
> and I'm thinking of trying the Cambium C17 when my mustard CLEM comes in. 
>
> Also, are the rails longer? The rails on my new-to-me ti B17 are longer 
> than the steel ones..I'm wondering of they made that change on the Cambiums.
>
> Thanks, 
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Thoughts on Cambium?

[René Sterental]

I love mine. They're all doing well. Yes, the rails are longer, not sure
compared to the Ti B17.

I'm going to try a B17 Select on my custom when it arrives, but so far, the
C17 is my favorite saddle.

René

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I know there was a flurry of reviews when these first hit the market, but
> I'm curious how folks are getting along with them now that time/miles have
> passed. The only saddle I can ride more than 15 miles is the Brooks B17,
> and I'm thinking of trying the Cambium C17 when my mustard CLEM comes in.
>
> Also, are the rails longer? The rails on my new-to-me ti B17 are longer
> than the steel ones..I'm wondering of they made that change on the Cambiums.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on Cambium?

[Joe Bernard]

No I haven't. I love B17's - including my Select version - and was wondering 
how close the vegan version comes to it. If it duplicates the comfort of a 
classic Brooks in a lighter, waterproof saddle, I'm interested. 

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on Cambium?

[Deacon Patrick]

Have you tried Rivet? I know I felt daunted in my saddle quest until I 
tried them. Deb offers a 1 year guarantee. Also, folks here have loved the 
Brooks Select (or whatever the organic, extra thick hide is) and the 
Berthod saddles, where were next on my list if Rivet didn't work out.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 9:45:35 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I know there was a flurry of reviews when these first hit the market, but 
> I'm curious how folks are getting along with them now that time/miles have 
> passed. The only saddle I can ride more than 15 miles is the Brooks B17, 
> and I'm thinking of trying the Cambium C17 when my mustard CLEM comes in. 
>
> Also, are the rails longer? The rails on my new-to-me ti B17 are longer 
> than the steel ones..I'm wondering of they made that change on the Cambiums.
>
> Thanks, 
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
>

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[RBW] Thoughts on Cambium?

[Joe Bernard]

I know there was a flurry of reviews when these first hit the market, but I'm 
curious how folks are getting along with them now that time/miles have passed. 
The only saddle I can ride more than 15 miles is the Brooks B17, and I'm 
thinking of trying the Cambium C17 when my mustard CLEM comes in. 

Also, are the rails longer? The rails on my new-to-me ti B17 are longer than 
the steel ones..I'm wondering of they made that change on the Cambiums.

Thanks, 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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[RBW] Re: Curious: Betty Foy vs. Cheviot

[Ryan Thompson]

>
> I own a 60cm Betty Foy and 60cm Cheviot and the biggest difference I note 
> is the Cheviot just feels like a bigger bike.  The chain stays are notable 
> longer and so is the head tube so it's easier to get the bars even higher 
> if need be.  I originally purchased the Cheviot for my wife and a 58cm Sam 
> Hillborne for myself, however I sold the Hillborne and purchased Miesha's 
> personal Betty when it came up for sale last year.  It's really hard 
> to tell if the Cheviot rides much different than the Betty but other people 
> who have visited and ridden both note the Betty feels a little lighter.  
>

https://flic.kr/p/CMttXk 

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[RBW] Re: Tallux Stem Measurements - 10cm? 11cm?

[John Phillips]

Hi Cecily,

Have you spoken with Rivendell? If I were in your shoes, I would call 
them up and describe what you want to do. Will at Riv helped me pick the 
right Tallux stem extension when moving from albatross bars to drop bars. I 
think they have helped a lot of people with the same question.

John

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 2:51:06 AM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> I'm considering replacing the Soma Sutro quill stem on my Betty Foy with a 
> Nitto Tallux stem from Riv to raise my handlebars a bit. But I'm curious 
> about the different measurements for the Tallux stem. Riv sells the 10cm 
> stem in the Cheviot/Sam build kit, but I notice that 11, 12, and 13cm 
> models are available. What do these different measurements mean? 
>
> Thanks, folks.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Raw Cotton Handlebar Tape Experiment

[Deacon Patrick]

Ahhh! It could be a slippery (grimy) slope to raw AL! Like you, I've ridden 
naked AL, when I was bar testing. I was surprised how well it works and I 
have indeed toyed with it since.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 8:22:51 AM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
>
> 
> Guys, fair warning: It's only small step from raw cotton to...raw 
> ALU-minium. Feels pretty good (at least on non-schweaty rides) Note the 
> vestigial brown raw cotton tape on right drop.
> (Note green zip tie "tire saver" featured in another thread. And yes, I do 
> sometimes kind of maintain most of my bicycles. This was/is...an 
> experiment!)
>
> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 11:55:03 PM UTC-4, James Chang wrote:
>>
>> I was a cotton and shellac guy but have tried raw cotton this past year 
>> and will probably never go back to shellac.  Raw cotton feels pretty good.
>>
>> James Chang
>> Taipei, Taiwan
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Lungimsam  wrote:
>>
>>> I was joking about the antler handlebar clamp size. ;)
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Re: [RBW] Curious: Betty Foy vs. Cheviot

[LeahFoy]

Geez, I really did type "mm," didn't I. *headdesk*

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Re: [RBW] Re: Raw Cotton Handlebar Tape Experiment

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Guys, fair warning: It's only small step from raw cotton to...raw 
ALU-minium. Feels pretty good (at least on non-schweaty rides) Note the 
vestigial brown raw cotton tape on right drop.
(Note green zip tie "tire saver" featured in another thread. And yes, I do 
sometimes kind of maintain most of my bicycles. This was/is...an 
experiment!)

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 11:55:03 PM UTC-4, James Chang wrote:
>
> I was a cotton and shellac guy but have tried raw cotton this past year 
> and will probably never go back to shellac.  Raw cotton feels pretty good.
>
> James Chang
> Taipei, Taiwan
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Lungimsam  > wrote:
>
>> I was joking about the antler handlebar clamp size. ;)
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto, Sugino, Shimano, Tektro, etc.

[kielsun]

Here's an update on what's still available. I have a couple offers on the 
DD, but am hoping for some more trade offers, as well. See above for what 
I'm in search of. Already acquired Nitto shim. Thanks!

Rivstuffs:

   - Nitto Dirt Drop Stem--$45/shipped: Unsure of size (see picture), a few 
   scuffs, solid condition overall.
   - Nitto Moustache Bar (pictured)--$25 *plus* actual shipping: CroMo. 
   This was on my Sam for years. Some scrapes visible at clamp area.
   - Nitto Moustache Bar (*not* pictured)--$10 *plus* actual shipping: 
   CroMo. I inherited this years back. Plenty of scrapes to cover with bar 
   tape. Works fine!
   - Shimano Tiagra Road Levers--$25 shipped: Fine used shape.

Non-Rivstuffs:

   - Tektro CR720 Canti Brakes--$40 shipped: These are *black*. Rear are 
   new, front installed and used briefly. Would prefer straight-up trade for 
   v-brakes.
   - Sugino RD2 Double Crankset 53/39--$60 shipped or would prefer to trade 
   for a mountain double: Some wear. Arms are mostly free of scratches.
   - Ritchey WCS threadless stem--?$?: I have no idea what this thing is 
   worth. Maybe you do? Make me an offer.

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[RBW] Re: Tallux Stem Measurements - 10cm? 11cm?

[Shoji Takahashi]

HI Cecily,
The Soma Sutro has a quill length (i.e., "height") of 180mm; compared to 
the Tallux's 225mm. 

(Interesting that Riv notes height of Nitto Dirt Drop w/10cm extension is 
178mm.)

Good luck!
shoji



On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 5:51:06 AM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> I'm considering replacing the Soma Sutro quill stem on my Betty Foy with a 
> Nitto Tallux stem from Riv to raise my handlebars a bit. But I'm curious 
> about the different measurements for the Tallux stem. Riv sells the 10cm 
> stem in the Cheviot/Sam build kit, but I notice that 11, 12, and 13cm 
> models are available. What do these different measurements mean? 
>
> Thanks, folks.
>

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[RBW] Re: New Clementine for Bike Blogger

[anniebikes]

Anniebikes here! Hey thanks for all the positive feedback. I'm excited to 
try my Clementine (rats, wished I could've ordered it in orange :( but hey, 
blue is classic and something I can live with for the next 30 years.) 

As for trying it locally, that would've been cool, but no need to now. I'm 
pretty confident I'll love it and am anxious to try the stock bars.

On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 6:11:09 PM UTC-4, LLM wrote:
>
> That's great.  I remember Annie's blog post last year, "Rivendell's 
> Clementine - Now We're Talking!."  I pre-ordered this year as well.  I was 
> thinking she hadn't had a chance to try one yet, I would offer to let her 
> try mine (I'm not far from VT).  Looks like we'll be getting our new bikes 
> around the same time.
>
> First post on the Clementine by Lovely Bicycle:  
> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2016/06/brifter-bliss-for-swept-back-handlebars.html#more
>

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[RBW] FS/FT Odds and Ends

[Joe Gates]

What is the length of the Nitto lugged stem?

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Re: [RBW] Curious: Betty Foy vs. Cheviot

[Shoji Takahashi]

You could fill those lug windows with red nail polish (or any color). Be 
still my beating heart,
shoji



On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 5:30:54 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Here, I went digging on the BLUG to see what I could find. Here's a quote 
> by Grant from Dec 29, 2013: 
>
> "At some point soon Dave will make up a plan to offer a kind of early 
> buyer discount, to help us pay for the order. It’s a beautiful bike. Same 
> as the  Betty, but longer chainstays. No noticeble difference in the ride, 
> but it can’t hurt." 
>
> So, Michael must be right - pretty much the same bike. Though I still like 
> the name and head badge of the Cheviot better. If they don't fill the heart 
> cut-outs in the lugs in red on the BF blue Chevs, I'll really be over my 
> covetousness. My heart skips a beat over those red hearts, and I'm not 
> joking. 
>

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[RBW] WTB Jitensha Ebisu All-Purpose

[William R.]

Very nice bike and parts. And that crate is impressive!

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: FS: random bike bits (thumb shifters, old nitto stem, spd pedals, cleats.)

[Belopsky]

update

>
>> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 10:03:26 AM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>>>
>>> Parts I do not need and need cleared from the garage:
>>> - Nitto stem 26.0clamp (i think) - $10 or free with other stuff?
>>> - 26.0 clamp Specialized stem i think 100mm - $10 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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